Andrew Dessler: The Certain Climate Alarmist

Guest essay by Robert Bradley Jr.

“This warming [of 5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit this century] is as certain as death and taxes.” (Professor Andrew Dessler, below)

Andrew Dessler is one of the leading climate scientists/alarmists of his generation. And he is a master at presenting his case, not unlike a highly skilled lawyer. He knows the answers–and counter-arguments are just noise.

From a YouTube video – notice the Mannian similarities

His textbook, Introduction to Modern Climate Change (2nd edition: 2016), does not seriously engage a range of opinions in its 250 pages. A review of the text/index confirms that many key controversies and open questions are either downplayed or absent, thereby creating–in his world–settled alarmist science.

I will later write an in-depth review of this textbook, which not only covers physical science but also related issues in political economy, energy economics, and history. Suffice it to say that Dessler dodges numerous germane issues in his primer. Here is a list of the wholly missing areas, presented alphabetically, that the author needs to address in a 3rd revised edition:

  • Argument from authority
  • Climategate
  • Climate-change exaggeration
  • CO2 forcing: logarithmic, not linear
  • Confirmation bias
  • Deep ecology
  • Deep-ocean mixing (re “missing heat”)
  • Energy density
  • “Fudge factors” (re climate models)
  • Government failure (vs. “market failure”)
  • Iris Effect (re “missing heat”)

Dessler’s latest op-ed (he is a favorite in the Houston Chronicle), “Why the Green New Deal Makes Me Hopeful About Climate Change,” demonstrates these character traits/opinions.

He is the smartest guy in the room and argues from authority.

“As a climate scientist, I have studied the impacts of human emissions of carbon dioxide on the climate system for nearly 20 years. Over this time, my research, as well as research by my colleagues, has made me increasingly worried abut the impacts of climate change on human society.”

He is certain that the current climate-model predictions are correct.

“If we don’t take action, unchecked greenhouse-gas emissions would lead to global-average warming over this century of 5 degrees Fahrenheit to 9 degrees Fahrenheit…. This warming is as certain as death and taxes.”

He is a deep ecologist, fearing that the optimal, fragile climate will be torn asunder to remake human civilization in a very bad way.

“With continued fossil fuel use, we might see warming over the current century sufficient to literally remake the Earth’s environment and our place within it.”

He sees wind and solar as the savior (quite unlike his mentor/hero James Hansen, who understands the fundamental concept of energy density).

” … there is hope. The cost of wind and solar energy, which do not emit dangerous greenhouse gases, has dropped rapidly in the past decade and is now competitive with coal energy in many places.”

I am not a climate scientist. But I can follow the bottom lines of the argument pretty well–as have hundreds of other “skeptics” of climate alarmism, thanks to the Internet and open publishing. (Regular reading of Judith Curry’s Climate Etc. can go a long way in this regard.)

Gerald North: A Second Opinion

But my distrust of climate Malthusianism also relies on the views of Professor Dessler’s senior colleague in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M, Gerald North.

Back in the corporate world working for a company (Enron Corp.) that was very active on the climate issue (alarmist, with six profit centers at stake), I hired Professor North as a consultant to give me the inside scoop on climate science. What he told me was very interesting, including that climate models were unreliable. (It is models that generate scary warming scenarios.)

North via email said these things about climate models in 1998/99:

“We do not know much about modeling climate. It is as though we are modeling a human being. Models are in position at last to tell us the creature has two arms and two legs, but we are being asked to cure cancer.”

“There is a good reason for a lack of consensus on the science. It is simply too early. The problem is difficult, and there are pitifully few ways to test climate models.”

“The different models couple to the oceans differently. There is quite a bit of slack here (undetermined fudge factors). If a model is too sensitive, one can just couple in a little more ocean to make it agree with the record. This is why models with different sensitivities all seem to mock the record about equally well. (Modelers would be insulted by my explanation, but I think it is correct.)”

“[Model results] could also be sociological: getting the socially acceptable answer.”

Professor North’s opinion of speculative, not settled science (contra-Dessler) was reconfirmed with a 2010 email from North to Sheldon Graham Jr (dated January 6, 2010):

“In another decade of research we will have squared away a lot of our uncertainties about forced climate change. As this approaches we can be thinking about what to do if the warming does indeed appear to be caused by humans and to what extent things are changing as result.”

North told me the same thing twenty years ago. The year 2020 is just ahead for another ten-year increment, but I imagine the mirage will remain. (Professor Dessler, please call your office ….)

Conclusion

Andrew Dessler is a very serious, able climate scientist. His books and tweets  need to be read and understood by his critics. It is a rare window in the mentality of a true believer, a Malthusian deep ecologist who is sure he is right about both the alarm and the need and ability of government intervention to save us from certain peril. 

Let the debate continue. Contrary to Dessler’s view, there are two sides to the climate debate, and one of them offers the hope and expectation that the other does not.


Originally posted at Master Resource, reposted here at the request of the author.

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Sheri
February 28, 2019 10:22 am

isitdownrightnow.com says the server is not responding.

kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 10:22 am

“The cost of wind and solar energy, which do not emit dangerous greenhouse gases, has dropped rapidly in the past decade and is now competitive with coal energy in many places.”
Dressler needs to read the recent study of wind turbines , which shocked many by pointing out the poor economics of large turbines – they produce power at twice their claimed costs and last half as long

Tom Halla
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 10:32 am

Dressler also omits the cost of hypothetical storage for wind and solar (which does not really exist, in a practical sense, so it is an estimate for a hypothetical system), or the spinning conventional backup required. Perhaps the storage problem will be solved about the time climate computer models give accurate results?/should I add a sarc?

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 28, 2019 3:26 pm

The storage problem can never be solved because energy demands will outpace any attempt to plan and build an engineered electrical storage solution, unless the West completely de-industrializes and destroys the economy and standard of living growth. Then of course, nothing is solved, because just as we’ve seen with the rise of China’s industrial output, de-industrialization merely shifts the emissions elsewhere on the planet.

None of this is lost on the more intelligent alarmists. So that only leaves one conclusion about them.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 28, 2019 8:40 pm

Good points – thank you Joel.

Sara
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 1, 2019 4:52 am

The problem with forecasting climate shifts is the same as forecasting changes in the stock market. But financial forecasts are based on human behavior, which is semi-predictable and fed by the emotion of greed, whereas climate forecasts are based on models generated by computers, which use programs that are biased by the user’s political/pseudo-religious or other personal leanings. Most of the forecasting is based on how much cash it generates, anyway.

Therefore, if you WANT the future to be 5F degrees warmer (which you wouldn’t notice, even if it happened) it WILL BE 5F degrees warmer – until you get there. And if it isn’t 5F degrees warmer, then you just push your goal post further ahead.

Aren’t we supposed to be in an ice age by now, or something like that? I’m tired of snow coming and going as it pleases! I want (heresy!) those 5F degrees extra warmth!!!

R Shearer
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 10:40 am

My car is gasoline powered and it doesn’t emit dangerous greenhouse gases either, but it’s reliable.

David Wells
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 10:42 am

Link please to study?

Roger Knights
Reply to  David Wells
February 28, 2019 11:35 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/29/wind-farm-turbines-wear-sooner-than-expected-says-study/
Wind farm turbines wear sooner than expected, says study
charles the moderator / 6 hours ago December 29, 2018
From The Telegraph

William Astley
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 10:49 am

Fake engineering just as bad as fake science.

Wind farms would be a good idea if there were places near ever major city were the wind blows 24/7. As there is not wind farms are located hundreds of miles from the nearest city which requires a new high voltage power line to transmit the power. The power line voltage, towers, lines, transformers, and so on must be designed for maximum load even though actual average load in Germany will be less than 20% of wind farm maximum output.

When travelling by train from Paris to Berlin, I noticed wind farm after wind farm (100 to 200 turbines) located in regions where there is insufficient wind to even consider installing a wind farm. Every wind farm had only two turbines turning very slowly which has strange as there appeared to be almost no wind.

The problem with the “renewable” power sources of wind and solar is their intrinsic volatility coupled with their poor capacity utilization rates of only 17.4% for wind and 8.3% for solar (average values for Germany).

Obviously in Germany wind farms were installed in locations where there is not sufficient average wind to justify a wind farm and solar farms where installed in locations that do not receive sufficient sun.

When comparing wind to natural gas power generation, for example, the wind is assumed to be ‘available’ 35% (available is any wind, what is important is percentage of nameplate average per day) of the time. As noted below the German’s wind farms provided only 17.3% average of nameplate which is half of 35%.

The Germans ignored reality and continued to install more and more sun and wind gathering equipment, so at peak wind and sun have more ‘green’ electricity than they can use without the magic storage system.

://notrickszone.com/2015/02/04/germanys-energiewende-leading-to-suicide-by-cannibalism-huge-oversupply-risks-destabilization/#sthash.8tE9YRDj.PSllYaQF.dpbs

The coming age of power cannibalism…Germany on the verge of committing energy suicide
Capacity without control
The problem with the “renewable” power sources of wind and solar is their intrinsic volatility coupled with their poor capacity utilization rates of only 17.4% for wind and 8.3% for solar (average values for Germany).
Yet Germany has a unique peculiarity: its leaders sometimes exhibit a stunning inability to recognize when the time has come to abandon a lost cause. So far €500 billion (William: €500 billion is $550 billion US) has already been invested in the “Energiewende”, which is clearly emerging as a failure. Yet all political parties continue to throw their full weight behind the policy rather than admitting it is a failure (which would be tantamount to political suicide). Instead, the current government coalition has even decided to shift into an even higher gear on the path to achieving its objective of generating 80% of German electric power from “renewable” sources by 2050.

If the situation is practically unmanageable now with 25% renewable energy (William: Note that the Germans are receiving 25% of their electrical power from green scams, the actual carbon reduction is only 15% to 25% due to requirement to turn on/off/on/off single cycle natural gas power plants rather than to run combine cycle more efficient power plants that take 10 hours to start and that are hence left on for weeks), it’ll be an uncontrollable disaster when (if) it reaches 80%.

Bryan A
Reply to  William Astley
February 28, 2019 12:56 pm

No one ever said that a Wind Farm needed to generate and sell electricity to be able to generate revenue

Reply to  William Astley
March 1, 2019 7:02 am

Fake engineering

Haven’t seen that phrase before, but it fits. Fake news, fake education, fake history, fake science, and now it’s trickled down even into engineering.

thomho
Reply to  William Astley
March 4, 2019 8:07 pm

I have twice in successive summers travelled once west to east one year then from the north to the south to Bavaria in the second year by train in Germany
On both occasions the view out the train window was that there were wind turbines stretching out to the horizon and on both occasions their blades were hanging listlessly not turning
I could not help reflect on the unused capital cost of those vast wind farms

Ann Banisher
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 11:48 am

“…..wind and solar energy, which do not emit dangerous greenhouse gases”
The construction of wind and solar sure do emit greenhouse gasses, and so do the construction of access roads, transmission lines, and we still haven’t addressed storage.
Large scale wind and solar would and more CO2 now, with the promise of saving later.

john
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 12:43 pm

Not to mention the energy forms used and amount involved in making these useless monsters. Lots of smelting of metals and factory heat and light before one of these things ever turns. All lost when they die of old age, which is a fraction of the time they were sold as having.
We have endless armies of zombie brainiacs from the academic world who know nothing about practical economics. Yet they never hesitate to tell us what to do with our own money. They frankly make me sick.

Bryan A
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 12:53 pm

Which “Many Places”
Off Grid…
Island Nations…
Isolated Locations??

Sommer
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 5:15 pm

Dressler also needs to read the article below as well as the comments. He and AOC need to answer to the issues of cumulative and irreversible harm to residents forced to live within 20 km from industrial wind turbines. Dr. Mariana Alves-Pereira, who has stated publicly that knowing what she now knows about the harm from low frequency noise and infrasound from these turbines, she wouldn’t live within 20 km of a wind turbine.
https://stopthesethings.com/2018/12/06/silent-killer-why-wind-turbine-infrasound-causes-serious-health-problems-for-wind-farm-neighbours/

Reply to  Sommer
February 28, 2019 9:51 pm

Somehow, as tragic as this is, I cannot muster an iota of sympathy.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  kent beuchert
February 28, 2019 6:10 pm

“Dressler needs to read”

Dessler

Sommer
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 1, 2019 7:00 am

Thank you Jeff Alberts.

icisil
February 28, 2019 10:27 am

“Andrew Dessler is a very serious, able climate scientist”

bwahahaha bwahahaha

Rob Bradley
Reply to  icisil
February 28, 2019 10:42 am

He is very able. And I take his work very seriously. But the things he does NOT discuss in his primer is as important than what he does discuss. This is very uncertain science, after all… failure of disclose pertinent information or engaging in half-truths is the lawyer’s trick he seems to employ.

John Endicott
Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 12:24 pm

He’s an alarmist activist. that alone says he’s not a scientist able or otherwise. You can either be an activist or you can be a scientist, you can’t be both as they have mutually exclusive goals (the former has a predetermined viewpoint that all else is filtered through whereas the later follows the evidence even if it leads away from initial presumptions).

Kurt
Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 6:05 pm

“He is very able. And I take his work very seriously.”

That my be true, but he can’t be “able” at climate science. No one can. Aside from merely measuring and documenting changes in things like temperature, precipitation, hurricanes, etc., the whole field is entirely theoretical. The sensitivity of temperature to CO2? Theoretical. The response of hurricanes to rising temperatures from CO2? Theoretical. It’s all just words and opinions. Not science.

Climate scientists don’t do anything to demonstrate their abilities as climate scientists, unless you consider their climate models to be actual predictions instead of just loose “scenarios.” And in that respect, they are certainly not “able.” First, insufficient time has passed to be able to reliably test the ability of models in predicting the behavior of a system whose changes can only be physically measured over the course of many decades, and even over shorter terms climate models have never been remotely able to predict in advance quantitative changes in the climate.*

Here’s Dessler’s bio from Wikipedia:

“Dessler worked in the energy group at The First Boston Corporation doing mergers and acquisitions analysis in the mid-1980s.[5] He left his job as an investment banker on Wall Street in 1988 to go to graduate school in chemistry.[6] After receiving his Ph.D. in 1994, Dessler did two years of Postdoctoral research at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center and then spent nine years on the research faculty of the University of Maryland from 1996 to 2005.[7] Dessler went on to become an Associate Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M University from 2005 to 2007 and has been a tenured Professor of Atmospheric Sciences there since 2007.[2]”

As you can see, he’s done a lot of research and I’m sure he’s written a lot of papers and books. But that’s just being a specialized kind of word processor, not a scientist. I’m not seeing anything that would indicate he’s accomplished any tangible achievement with respect to the Earth’s climate system.

* The term “predict in advance” might seem to be redundant, but some climate researchers seem to think that coming up with a model in the year 2000 that somewhat follows the curve of temperatures from 1900 to 2000 counts as a “prediction.”

Reply to  icisil
February 28, 2019 11:29 am

I agree with icisil,

If dude is a climate alarmist, he can’t be very impressive.

Andrew

Greg
Reply to  Bad Andrew
February 28, 2019 12:28 pm

Dessler had a PR paper duel with Roy Spencer a few years back. He basically refused to see anything he did not like. His counter papers to Spencers’ did not address the issues, just restated his preconceived beliefs.

He may be bright ( depending upon definition ) but he is not a good scientist, nor is he an honest broker in the effort to understand climate. He is an activist.

commieBob
Reply to  icisil
February 28, 2019 12:51 pm

Ancel Keys was a very prominent and respected scientist.

It is possible for very prominent and respected scientists to enforce their orthodoxy. The fact they are prominent and respected is no guarantee of quality.

Jake
Reply to  commieBob
February 28, 2019 1:47 pm

Ancel Keys lived to 100, and his wife lived well into her 90’s. Maybe he did know some stuff of import. I don’t agree with everything he did, but I think he and Dr. Yudkin(his adversary) both had valid research and serious points about health and diet.

commieBob
Reply to  Jake
February 28, 2019 6:33 pm

The accusation is that his most famous work was deeply flawed. Studying the eating habits of a Catholic nation during Lent (and then passing that off as their normal diet) is either gobsmackingly stupid or outright fraudulent.

The enforcement of diet orthodoxy was as nasty as the enforcement of climate orthodoxy.

Many people acknowledge what Keys did wrong. He stands as an example of how science can go bad.

Bill_W_1984
Reply to  Jake
March 1, 2019 5:37 am

My grandfather lived to be 101.5 He had a so-so diet, drank multiple alcoholic beverages every day and smoked from age 14 to age 40, but quit when the bad health effects of smoking came to light. He did, however, work into his mid-80’s doing physical activities (boat business/ welding/pounding propellors into shape with a hammer) and was thin most of his life, never really getting too heavy. His living to that age is due to genetics and staying active and maybe to the alcohol. He did not follow the Key’s dietary advice.

commieBob
Reply to  Bill_W_1984
March 1, 2019 12:01 pm

I’ll bet that he felt loved and respected. Things like that affect your longevity more than the obvious issues like diet and exercise. link

ResourceGuy
February 28, 2019 10:30 am

Back to the thread, there is always a Ravi Batra or Matthew Simmons lurking behind every issue….and a lot of them are from Texas.

Meanwhile we have an update in the Atlantic…..

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NOAA%20SST-NorthAtlantic%20GlobalMonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

john
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 28, 2019 12:46 pm

It would be interesting to see this charted along with solar cycle. It’s starting to look like the sun plays a much larger role than CO2.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  john
February 28, 2019 1:21 pm

If it’s the sun then it would have to involve multi solar cycles with the ocean cycles as storage units with charge and discharge cycles all their own. No one knows basically.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 28, 2019 1:48 pm

But of course we now live in the post modern, no-uncertainty era for the good of …….policy crusades?

Carbon500
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2019 4:12 am

Thanks ResourceGuy, a very nice graph to beat the warmists with in my next newspaper letter!

Mohatdebos
February 28, 2019 10:37 am

He was also the conman behind the Texas permanent drought projection.

JCH
Reply to  Mohatdebos
February 28, 2019 12:59 pm

Where was this prediction made?

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  JCH
February 28, 2019 5:25 pm

“Where was this prediction made?”

It was made in The Houston Chronicle on July 10, 2011:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/the-texas-am-permanent-drought/

JCH
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 28, 2019 5:46 pm

That is not a prediction of permanent drought. The book they reference is where the predictions are made. They essentially are: longer droughts, heavier rains, higher temperatures.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  JCH
March 1, 2019 12:41 am

Since I haven’t read the book, I don’t know what prognostications the authors made, but the Houston Chronicle article was written by Andy Dessler. In it he clearly states: “The weather of the 21st century will be very much like the hot and dry weather of 2011.” He didn’t mention ‘heavier rains’, he predicted a 90 year drought lasting from 2011 through the end of the century. He may not have used the phrase ‘Permanent Drought’, but he certainly predicted one.

Robertvd
February 28, 2019 10:38 am

Dutch news website Nu.nl is banning people who deny the involvement of humans in climate change from commenting on its readers’ reactions section.

‘You can disagree with the government’s climate plans on NUjij, we encourage critical discussion about the measure to which the Netherlands can make a difference, and you can certainly set out why you think climate change has progressed too far to be tackled,’ the website said.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/02/dutch-news-website-bans-climate-change-deniers-from-making-comments/

brians356
Reply to  Robertvd
February 28, 2019 11:17 am

That’s a great indication! It means they’re being inundated with sceptical comments. When the plug their ears and chant “No, no, I can’t hear you” you’re winning.

Blackcap
Reply to  Robertvd
February 28, 2019 4:47 pm

NZ site Stuff.co.nz also have that policy.

David Wells
February 28, 2019 10:40 am

Hi James this doesn’t work http://realclimatescience.com/ and last post was May 2016 and last post on his twitter account was March 2018. This was his original site https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/ and it is still active but nothing new since May 2016 when he supposedly moved to another site. Odd?

Dan
Reply to  David Wells
February 28, 2019 11:17 am

That’s incorrect. I check his site daily and it always has new content. It was up yesterday, not today.

David Wells
Reply to  Dan
February 28, 2019 12:11 pm

Just tried both of the above again and zero!

Bryan A
Reply to  David Wells
February 28, 2019 12:51 pm

It must be because you have been placed on his list of Climate Contrarians and so are being redirected to a different website so he doesn’t have to contend with your far more accurate viewpoint.
/sarc

James Snook
Reply to  David Wells
February 28, 2019 2:07 pm

Just tried again and the site is up and running!

Chuck
February 28, 2019 10:51 am

The divide between climate alarmists and climate skeptics is similar to the divide between Trump haters and Trump supports. Each side looks at the same information and sees something completely different. Climate alarmists see the end of the world as we know it and climate skeptics ask “What’s the big deal? We don’t see it.” I don’t think there’s any way to bridge that divide.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Chuck
February 28, 2019 11:23 am

Chuck – “I don’t think there’s any way to bridge that divide.”

If we shared a common enemy it might be possible to ‘bridge that divide’. Humanity will unite to defend the Earth. Perhaps we could join together and attack the Moon.

Robertvd
Reply to  Thomas Homer
February 28, 2019 11:46 am

Especially now the Chinese are doing ‘things’ on the Moon. I see billions of dollars worth of new tariffs ready to go .

R Shearer
Reply to  Robertvd
February 28, 2019 3:46 pm

50% tariff on moon cakes.

schitzree
Reply to  Thomas Homer
February 28, 2019 12:42 pm

Won’t work. Leftists are indoctrinated for at least 12 years to automatically appose anything suggested by someone they view as Right-Wing. It’s why so many of them were calling for Muller to be fired right up till Trump suggested it.

Of course, the reverse is also true. Anyone suggesting something they disagree with is automatically redefined as Right-Wing and a Racist, Denier, Homophobe, ect. Look at how they turn on anyone in their camp who deviates even slightly from the narrative. But it goes even further. They will actively rewrite history to justify their world view. IE, the National Socialist Workers Party is now deemed ‘Right Wing’ despite holding almost all the traditional Leftist beliefs.

Heck, I’ve had local Progressives argue with me that the Slave owners of the old South, and the Sothern Democrats who upheld the segregationist and ‘Jim Crow’ laws clear till the 70’s, were really “Right-Wing’ because they were racist, and every one know that only Right Wingers are racist.

>_<

DMA
Reply to  Chuck
February 28, 2019 11:31 am

“Each side looks at the same information and sees something completely different.”
To some extent this is true but there is active rejection of data that supports skeptic views by the alarmists. No one has tried to address Harde 2017 except Kohler and that was a joke with no substance then Harde’s reply was not allowed into print. (https://hhgpc0.wixsite.com/harde-2017-censored)
No one is looking at the extreme weather records to conclude that all bad things are increasing because they can’t get that out of the records. No one is looking at the sea level data and proclaiming wild acceleration and projecting meters of rise this century from the data.
Where it is true is the two views of the value of model output. One side treats it as data and the other considers it guess.

leitmotif
Reply to  Chuck
February 28, 2019 3:07 pm

Climate alarmists are people who went on a sun holiday and got crap weather. Sorry, crap climate. Sorry again, crap climate change.

Greg61
February 28, 2019 10:53 am

‘This warming is as certain as death and taxes.” The Green New Deal will definitely make taxes more certain, and the resultant poverty will make death come earlier for many.

Derg
Reply to  Greg61
February 28, 2019 5:35 pm

MN could use some warm now

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Greg61
February 28, 2019 6:33 pm

You forgot the death taxes.

Harry Passfield
February 28, 2019 10:55 am

With continued fossil fuel use, we might see warming over the current century sufficient to literally remake the Earth’s environment and our place within it.IOW: And remaking our place in Earth’s ecology is my (and people like Gore) job!!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 28, 2019 10:56 am

I see that blockquotes don’t work now….

Rich Davis
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 28, 2019 1:44 pm

I see that blockquotes don’t work now….

Is that true?

(if you don’t see blockquoted text, then it’s true)

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 1, 2019 4:20 am

Thanks, Rich.

(my bad!)

Rob Bradley
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 28, 2019 11:24 am

I had lunch with Jerry North and Andy Dessler some years ago where Dessler said that we might be living underground because of all of the climate problems. This is a ‘deep ecology’ mindset where the earth is seen as very fragile and the idea of economic adaptation foreign. Our answer should be–fears of climate change is more reason for free markets and wealth to ease adaptation…. But the other side will have none of that!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 11:35 am

Dessler must have taken in to much of HG Wells’ Time Machine. He’s obviously a Morlock rather than an Eloi. A very disturbed man, IMO.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 28, 2019 11:36 am

Arrgh…. Too much!

Gandhi
February 28, 2019 10:56 am

Andrew looks like a clone of Michael Mann! Why do these guys all look alike? No chin, with a scruffy, unshaven derelict look? Maybe climate alarmism is genetic.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Gandhi
February 28, 2019 11:02 am

It’s the phony earnestness of expression – like an actor trying to hard to sell his part.

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Joel Snider
March 1, 2019 5:38 am

Possession??

brians356
Reply to  Gandhi
February 28, 2019 11:19 am

I had the same thought. Great minds …

Reply to  Gandhi
February 28, 2019 11:23 am

Nah, just a simple disease, for the simple.

Greg
Reply to  HotScot
February 28, 2019 12:40 pm

No Dessler does not have piggy eyes and a face you want to punch. Be fair. He has a tramp’s unshaven look nearly as good as Steve Bannon’s, not like the usual, neatly crafted, lefty “rectal ring” of facial hair like Mann et al.

He looks a bit dopey in the given photo but that could due to selection bias.

His science is poor but not quite as bad as Mann.

john
Reply to  Greg
February 28, 2019 1:02 pm

What science?

R Shearer
Reply to  Gandhi
February 28, 2019 3:50 pm

Same barber, or lack thereof.

Simon
Reply to  Gandhi
March 1, 2019 11:29 am

If your measure of a man’s climate science understanding is the way they look, then I can see why you are a skeptic.

February 28, 2019 11:08 am

This from the top boys at
Columbia University, Princeton University & Stanford University
Forests, carbon sinks, cannot make up for delays in decarbonizing the economy
To stabilize the Earth’s climate for people and ecosystems, it is imperative to ramp up natural climate solutions.”
…like a bit less the AOC generating hot air ….
https://phys.org/news/2019-02-forests-carbon-decarbonizing-economy.html

john
Reply to  vukcevic
February 28, 2019 1:36 pm

Turn off the heat and power to the universities. Other than the hard sciences departments at least.

AGW is not Science
February 28, 2019 11:10 am

This warming is as certain as the prediction that the West Side Highway in NYC will be underwater by 2012. Oh Wait!

Sorry, but that earnest expression on his face when he talks “certainty” about the reeking garbage he thinks is “science” looks little different than the faces of those who walk around with signs preaching that the “End is near.” He’s the same as those idiots, wearing a “scientist” Halloween costume.

Jeff Labute
February 28, 2019 11:11 am

5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit? I bet he got those numbers from his favorite conversion formula F to C.

Reply to  Jeff Labute
February 28, 2019 7:10 pm

More sad yet is this description of a Fahrenheit to Celsius conversion from the BEST site that boggles the mind:

In addition, the format of these values may reflect conversion from
Fahrenheit.

For example: A measurement of 40.5 degrees Fahrenheit, reported to the nearest
0.1 Fahrenheit, would be reported as 4.722 C with an uncertainty of 0.0278 C (
which is +/- 0.05 F ).

This is wrong, on many different levels. It is partially correct in that a Fahrenheit measurement of 40.5° F would be properly reported as 40.5° F +/- 0.05 °F. A proper conversion of F -> is a simple matter of a subtraction by a constant and a multiplication by a constant. The first is to subtract 32 from the Fahrenheit temperature. 40.5 +/- 0.05 F – 32 = 8.5 +/- 0.05F

So far, so good, but this is where it goes off the rails. After removing 32F from the value, the difference is multiplied by 9/5 to complete the conversion. Turning a fraction into a decimal always has th problem of deciding how may significant figures to use. Luckily, the rule of significant digits tells us that you must use the same number of decimal places as the LEAST of the measurements. That’s actually another factor to guide us, because 5/9 is not a measurement with an uncertainty, but merely a factor of two numbers.

One decimal point it is.

Since the value is being multiplied, the fractional uncertainty is in play again: 0.05/8.5 = 0.005 = 0.00 (evens round up, odds stat on the number) Multiply 8.5 * 5/9 = 4.7. °C. Since the fractional uncertainty returned a zero value, the final result is 4.7C +/- 0.0C.

Check the result: 4.7 * 9/5 = 8.46 + 43 = 40.46 = 40.5C

I see where BEST got their uncertainty, by multiplying 0.05 * 5/9, which is correct as far as it goes. However, when multiplying by a constant, the fractional uncertainty has to be calculated first, then the math performed to get the result, and then the fractional uncertainty returned to the absolute by multiplying the fractional by the math result. BEST took 8.5 * 5/9 , returned two extra significant digits in the decimal side, and then performed the same math on the Fahrenheit uncertainty without doing the fractional conversion.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  James Schrumpf
March 1, 2019 1:00 am

Yep, a ‘tell’ (as in poker), that most “climate scientists” share is their inability to use significant figures correctly.

Because they’re not scientists.

Hugs
February 28, 2019 11:14 am

‘“This warming [of 5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit this century] is as certain as death and taxes.” (Professor Andrew Dessler, below)’

Absolutely. We cannot curb Chinese emissions when the EU has already succeeded to move industry there. The science is settled on the 1990 sensitivity (1.5..4.5K per doubling). This is supposed to end the world in 12 years.

I thought peak stupid was already, but new sources are found viable when demand increases.

John Endicott
Reply to  Hugs
February 28, 2019 12:21 pm

stupid seems to be a near infinite resource, just when you think you’ve reached the peak you find there’s plenty more where that came from.

john
Reply to  Hugs
February 28, 2019 1:39 pm

So…if taxes can be cut? Will that make the world colder? Because it was -41 here two days ago and I’ll live with taxes if it keeps the temp up.

D Anderson
February 28, 2019 11:20 am

“sees wind and solar as the savior”

How about nuclear? Usually a good way to separate the serious from the kooks.

Rob Bradley
Reply to  D Anderson
February 28, 2019 11:50 am

Nuclear is absent from his 2016 textbook, but Andy is now including nuclear as ‘should also be considered….’ in his op-eds. This is a dead giveaway of a Malthusian I = PAT worldview (re Ehrlich and Holdren) where even carbon-free energy is not good because it would allow more PAT.

john
Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 1:43 pm

It means he’s accepted that his wind and solar dream is a complete load of manure.

Rob Bradley
Reply to  D Anderson
February 28, 2019 12:02 pm

Just saw this from Dessler (Feb. 15th tweet): Andrew Dessler

@AndrewDessler
Feb 15
More
Realize that whatever policy eventually emerges, you will not get 100% of what you want. I’m not a huge fan of nuclear, but if building nuclear plants gets us to zero CO2 emissions in a few decades, then build away! I’m more than happy to compromise on that point. 3/

Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 3:28 pm

He’s more than happy to compromise ??

As if anyone who actually gets anything done gives a rat’s ass about any portion of his being, let alone his opinion.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rob Bradley
February 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Andrew Dessler “I’m not a huge fan of nuclear, but if building nuclear plants gets us to zero CO2 emissions in a few decades, then build away!”

I think this is a step in the right direction for alarmist thinking. We are hearing this more and more from that side. Slowly, one by one, they are starting to wake up to reality. What’s that old saying? Somthing like: People go mad in crowds, and regain their sanity, one by one. I think we may be seeing some of that regaining of sanity from the alarmist side.

Yes, Mr. Dessler, let’s call a halt to bird-killing windmills and substitute nuclear power. The Right will agree to this. Your political problem is solved, at least as far as getting the skeptics on board is concerned..

Windmills cannot power the economies of the Earth. Millions of birds and bats are killed unnecessarily because of windmills. We need to stop going down this destructive, dead-end road. Alarmists need to see it as a dead-end road.

Nuclear power generation is a much better alternative to windmills. Nuclear doesn’t produce CO2 and it doesn’t kill birds and it is fully capable of powering the economies of the world now, and into the future.

Give up the windmills and solve your problem using nuclear power generation. Save the open spaces for the animals.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 28, 2019 10:30 pm

I am all for that.
Letting uranium sit around doing nothing is an unforgivable waste of resources.
Nuclear for base load power.
Let’s get started. I was ready decades ago, but especially by 2007 when oil spiked.
It will again the next time we have a worldwide building boom and strong economy.
Save oil and gas for where it is the best choice.

Jimmy
February 28, 2019 11:23 am

“……..we MIGHT (My emphasis) see warming over the current century sufficient ……….”

So, you don’t really know.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jimmy
March 1, 2019 2:30 am

“So, you don’t really know”

That happens a lot in climate science. They do a lot of guessing. Climate science, in its current form of selling the CAGW narrative, is not a very precise science. The more ambiguity, the better, the CAGW promoters say.

Tab Numlock
February 28, 2019 11:43 am

[SNIP…take your filthy comments somewhere else. They’re not welcome here. -mod]

troe
Reply to  Tab Numlock
February 28, 2019 11:56 am

MM is that you

Reply to  Tab Numlock
February 28, 2019 12:00 pm

“mythical gas chambers”….you are a REAL “denier”….

troe
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 28, 2019 12:15 pm

he’s a filthy little troll

D Anderson
Reply to  troe
February 28, 2019 12:36 pm

Obviously. Hope Anthony sees it and takes it down. Disgusting.

schitzree
Reply to  D Anderson
February 28, 2019 1:06 pm

Tab Numlock

Was Tab Caplock already taken?

(p.s. made the mistake of following the link back to his sewer. it’s like a mini /pol. trolls trolling trolls)

John Endicott
Reply to  Tab Numlock
February 28, 2019 12:28 pm

“mythical gas chambers”

Seems we have a real live holocaust denier and conspiracy theorist troll in out midst.

john
Reply to  Tab Numlock
February 28, 2019 1:46 pm

We don’t hear from many straight up, wild eyed Nazis these days. And it’s still too many.

Dan
February 28, 2019 11:50 am

There are two huge problems that the climate alarmist must explain.
The first is their manipulation of the ground based temperature data, which has occurred multiple times over the 2 decades. It always results in cooling the past (pre 1960) and warming the present (post 1990). Manipulation of actual temperature data is well documented in the US (from which the vast majority of pre 1950 data comes from) and Australia. Furthermore, up to half of the full dataset is made up. We simply don’t have records over large swaths of ocean prior to the 1970s or from much of Africa and Asia today. Maniputologists use models to generate this data. Some of the recent model generated data has even created phony record warm temperatures. That’s what helped 2016 become the “hottest year on record”. The hand-waving over the ground based temperature record is simply epic and well documented by Steve Goddard at realclimatescience.org (site down today)
The second problem is the dis-junction of climate model temperature predictions from reality. Dr. Roy Spencer has published articles on this. Explanations for this, while said with a straight face, have been laughable. Since the models generally rely on CO2 levels as the only driver of temperature, the fact that the models have all dramatically overestimated temperatures is, if anything, proof that CO2 level changes have very little influence on temperatures.
I’ll throw in a third problem for good measure: the claim that we will experience an increase in the frequency and severity of severe weather. Why, with CO2 levels at the highest in recorded history, did the US experience the fewest # of tornadoes EVER in 2018? Why did the US experience a 10 year severe hurricane drought with no category 3 storms from 2006 – 2016, the longest such period on record? It is also well documented that 9 of the top 10 most devastating Pacific typhoons and 9 of the top 10 most devastating Atlantic hurricanes occurred prior to 1980. Yet alarmists and their media apologists continue to promote the severe weather due to global warming narrative.

Reply to  Dan
February 28, 2019 10:44 pm

Toss in the morphing of global warming into climate change, and how now everything from severe cold to heat, and from no snow in Winter to extremely snowy Winter, and droughts and floods and every storm we DO get…all is because climate change.
“We have to get off fossil fuels or we might have another Harvey. Do you like it when people die?”

At this point, I am rather certain that the huge spike in drug overdoses and suicides among young people is either mostly or completely attributable to children being told they live on a dying planet and the world is going to end soon and badly and there is no doubt about it and it is the fault of anyone who is not a True Believer.
Some kids are no doubt able to see right through this malarkey as just hot air, but others are just as surely convinced by it, and are in a state of resigned despair and depression.
The people responsible for this are among the most rotten and despicable criminals ever to inhabit the Earth, AFAIAC.

Reply to  Menicholas
March 1, 2019 12:00 am

Well they are also pushing viable baby abortion and infanticide. So we know what they are.
(the 4 letter word that describes climate hustlers and Progressives: it starts with E and ends in L)

John Endicott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
March 1, 2019 10:42 am

(and has the roman numeral 6 in the middle).

Robertvd
February 28, 2019 11:52 am

“We do not know much about modeling climate. It is as though we are modeling a human being. Models are in position at last to tell us the creature has two arms and two legs, but we are being asked to cure cancer.”

Simple, stop its blood supply. Without funding it can’t grow.

Wharfplank
February 28, 2019 11:53 am

I wonder if he is related to Paul Erlich. Chip off the old block.

WR2
February 28, 2019 12:02 pm

Anyone who professes such certainty in what will happen 80 years from now, while never having been able to predict what will happen in the next year or two, exposes themselves as nothing but a propagandist, and certainly not a scientist. He can’t explain how the entire system works, and thus can’t predict year to year changes, but he in his mind knows for certainty that we are all doomed? I weep for this generation of mindless drones who eat up this crap.

Reply to  WR2
February 28, 2019 2:44 pm

Andrew Dessler is concerned about what happens by the end of this century? Why is this?

Hasn’t he been listening to fellow notable alarmist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s assertion that the world will end in 12 years if we don’t “address” climate change (whatever that means) starting RIGHT NOW!

80 years from now . . . phfffttt!

Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 1, 2019 12:01 am

Now go eat a big cheese burger!!

Bruce Cobb
February 28, 2019 12:02 pm

So, he’s a skilled Climate Liar. Kudos to him. Must be proud.

Jim
February 28, 2019 12:08 pm

Look up Kalama Sutra …

DocSiders
February 28, 2019 12:15 pm

No serious computer modeling engineer would consider modeling earth’s climate accurately (and with any predictive skill) as being possible. Let alone an expectation of any level of CERTAINTY (predictive skill).

Systems Modeling engineering is not exactly new stuff. Given known characteristics and interactions within a system and the level of complexity of a system, it is possible to compute what is required (like the amount of data…quality of data…accuracy of factor interaction equations…etc…etc) for a model to be skillful or useful.

Given the complexity and lack of knowledge of and lack of good enough data of the earth’s climate, climate modeling fails by orders of magnitude in all of the basic requirements. We don’t have anything from which to build a skillful model from…or with. Not data…not accurate enough knowledge…not enough computing power.

The levels of funding ($Billions) for Climate Modeling Research should never have rrached the levels they have achieved based on lack modeling requirements known from the very start.

Modeling for more narrow aspects of climate are certainly of possible value, but modeling the energy flows in the entire earth’s climate is just not feasible. We lack at least 3 orders of magnitude of good historical data and we currently lack about the same 3 orders of magnitude of computing power IF we had the data.

We also lack sufficient understanding of many very key elements within the climate system. E.g. Intertropical cloud formation and the emergence of storms obviously control local air and ocean surface temperatures on a daily basis, but we can’t even model these phenomena very well yet.

To the extent that climate is chaotic (which it appears to be), the CAUSES of chaotic system noise like short term (decadal or even multi-decadal) temperature fluctuations cannot even in principal EVER be known.

Why are not significant numbers within the science community pointing out the utter futility of climate modeling?

Instead, we have climate models that are falsifiable that have not been abandoned. All the models assume AND ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE positive feedback from increased mid troposphere humidity and temperatures in the tropics. That has not happened, so even these inadequate and very limited models have already been falsified, have they not?

Why would anyone be afraid to deny the veracity of climate model predictions?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  DocSiders
February 28, 2019 4:59 pm

DocSiders
+1

Reply to  DocSiders
February 28, 2019 11:01 pm

Besides all of that we have earth history and documented human history, both making the ideas of the climate alarmists frankly impossible.
CO2 is horrifyingly low, and we need more of it.
Earth and people are better off in a warmer world, and it has been far warmer than now with lower CO2.
And CO2 does not drive temperatures, or lead temperature, ever, in any records. Period.
The earth is far too cold, and cold kills, not warmth.
The warming that can be determined as likely having taken place is mostly all milder cold, in the Arctic, in Winter, and at night. Summer hot days are down markedly over the past 80-100 years.
Crop yields up, planet greener, no increase in storminess, no increase in heat waves, no disappearance of snow, no Arctic death spiral, no perpetual droughts, no acceleration of sea rise…and NO sudden spike of global temp as CO2 has increased sharply.
Wind turbines do more harm than good, solar and wind increase power cost, harming the poor and not affecting the wealthy, no climate refugees, no drowning islands, no plagues of disease and insects…
Nothing, nothing…not one frickin thing is happening they warn about, and yet they gaslight themselves and others that it is all coming true and worse than anyone even thought.
We are living in a Fellini film of a Kafka novel.
We are like the frog in the pot, only it is the skeptics that are sitting in the pot as it heats up, knowing what is going on but just sitting around discussing it, while some skeptics tell the rest not to be rude.
And the socialists might very possibly take over the US government, using this crap as their gate key.

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