Sometimes, something is just so over-the-top stupid, that you have to disappear it. That’s what has happened to Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, with her “New Green Deal”, which made “greenhouse gas reductions” down to ZERO the centerpiece of her policy. It was so ridiculous, so embarrassingly bad, that it had to be disappeared:
Fortunately, the Internet never forgets:
The now disappeared FAQ on AOC’s House.gov website stated that the program will:
“We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.”
The FAQ, which Ocasio-Cortez’s office removed from her website amid online backlash (although it is still available on NPR’s website) additionally stated:
IPCC Report said global emissions must be cut by by 40-60% by 2030. US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal.
“This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and a timeline” at a “scale not seen since World War 2.”
Let. that. sink. in.
But then, there’s this gem:
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work
Riiiiight. All the templates of a wealth redistribution scheme, right there.
Of course, she’s been excoriated, and rightfully so, from both sides.
The stupid in this case, it burns white-hot like a magnesium fire.
But maybe it doesn’t matter, because after-all, according to AOC, the world will end in 12 years anyway.
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Perhaps its a ” Sack clouth and ashes”” thing. What is wrong with these people that they seem to want us to go back to about the 17th century, although I suspect they think that they y will somehow be in the top positions.
But back then the Pyramid shape was very different, not much room at the top, lots of room at the bottom for the phesants
Look again at history, at every step of the way its all about energy. Slaves were the main factor, but even the Romans when they ran out of of lots of them, used their brains. They had their equivalent of hydro, the line of water wheels on a hill in France.
But it was not until the fact that coal, the new fuel when the trees were getting a bit short, had a problem with the water level, that a very crude form of steam engine, the atmospheric engine, to raise water from the mine to a high point, then use its ” Fall “to perform work, that it was realised that this was far better than using cows, horses and humans to do the very hard work.
True we did have windmills, but they were not very efficient and stem soon finished them off.
At each step along the way first the top got rich, dare I say it, “Trickle down” economics finally resulted in it reaching the bottom.
Today’s fear of automation goes s back a long way. Look at Constables paintings, about 1820 and the UK had a crude form of combined harvester, true it was pulled by horses, and again just like today, the workers did not like it, it meant that less and less were required on the land. This was the beginning of a move to the towns and cities as windmills and water wheels were gradually replaced by steam. The burning of Fossall fuel actually improved the peoples standard of living.
But it was the discoveries by first by Galvani, Volts and finally Michael Faraday, , a self taught former bookbinder apprentice which launched todays world onto the high standard of living which we enjoy today, and its still fossall fuel turning energy from the coal or gas into electricity, which even the Green inclined need for their far better way of life from the 17th century.
MJE
It went to the same place as Mark Jacobson’s extra 1400% of needed hydro capacity or his 387 concentrated solar plants for his first 100% WWS (Wind Water Solar) plan for the sunny state of New York.
I couldn’t shake the vision of a 500 ft. electric crane plugged into an existing wind wind charger and waiting for a breeze to set the next turbine.
The intrawebsthingy never forgets, plenty of places to get this document. Problem is no media is going to be flashing it on screens at people, they are working to bury it.
In that whole silly document there is no mention of what about climate change we will be fighting nor any statement of how we will know when we have won the fight.
“how we will know when we have won the fight?”
When they have total control. In the name of the “People” of course, just like the other “Peoples Republics”.
Emotional and personality disorders do not allow some people to “win”.
They cannot truly win.
You will know they have “won” when you have lost (and, like Venezuela, you have no access to toilet paper).
It is named The New Green Deal because off all the Green that will flow to investments owned by Al Gore and others. They know it is much easier to make money off government spending then to earn it in the free market.
I’ve heard at least one person say, she might be smarter than your average bear (at least politically) ??
Why not ask for the sky, then settle for less.
The next Green Deal/Bill will have to pass first to find out what’s in it .
https://youtu.be/QV7dDSgbaQ0
That worked out well. Not.
Remember Left-Right is not a well defined scale. AOC and her ilk have declared Pelosi and Schumer to be right of center, so “true compromise” would mean something that is left of where they stand. If they can get people to believe that claptrap, then the insiders on the right will claim that giving the Democrats everything is a compromise.
When you are so far out into left field that you have to dodge cars, everything else looks right wing.
Everyone on the left I have ever known, all the way over to raving progressives, considers themselves to be squarely in the middle.
I can barely believe they can say it with a straight face, but they see it that way.
It is that bad…they are honestly deluded people.
Worse now than ever it seems.
These people are under personal obligation to go live in countries that do not use coal or oil, for anything — including nylon etc. fibers, paints, wood preservatives, crop protection, rubber, plastic, and steel and concrete. There are plenty of underdeveloped countries to choose from.
Moderators, may I just come back to WUWT as Paulina? Or is that too much of a headache.
Thanks mods, you are so amazing.
The best comments I’ve found on this topic.
1) Trump’s tweet
“I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military – even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!“
2) Pelosi’s statement
“The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it, right?”
AOC is very charismatic, and will eventually have considerable power, unless the DNC takes her down in the next election. (It might have been a mistake to alienate Pelosi by staging a sit-in outside her office.)
She is getting lots of free press, like Trump did. Scott Adams has called her “Blue Trump”.
With her charisma, and smarts, and followers on social media, if DNC does decide to take her down, she’ll become a talk-show host or political commentator and make big bucks.
Was AOC maybe a stand-in for this female character in the film ‘Idiocracy’? She appears to be acting out the part now anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA
If we’re putting it in the film context – Dumb (AOC) and Dumber (Trump).
Congresswoman? How sexist!
Yes. The ze-assumed Ocasio-Cortez is not stupid because of zer gender, but just because ze is not properly educated.
For that reason, I fully support zer as the candidate of the Democratic party in 2024 (will ze be eligible?)
She’s definitely Blue Trump (she’s the person for the times for the left).
GND will be back with a cut-n-polish.
I like her because she’s exposing dysfunctional and corrupt USA political system which will bring the USA to its knees without reform.
The balance is bullshit.
Millenials think completly different to their parents in the environment. They want some kind of a Green Deal in place and the GOP will lose their votes if they fail to act on this. This kind of data coming out regularly now: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/10/why-are-insects-in-decline-and-can-we-do-anything-about-it
Keep the scaremongering going, you might just believe something you post.
Not “scaremongering” at all.
Just time for the GOP to face facts, particularly with the changing demographics taking place in the USA.
Quoting the Grauniad, fact checked of course, is hilarious.
Why not quote HRM’s Chatham House , RIIA, expert opinion? The Crown has thrown the sceptre in with AOC who tried unsuccessfully to suborn Corbyn.
Some at Windsor will not be amused if the GND is laughed out of D.C.!
The Democrats waited for everyone who remembered the dust bowl as adults to die off before springing straight up communism on everyone.
Snowflake, things aren’t as bad as they once were and CO2 isn’t destroying the planet.
We all laughed at “Economic security for those unwilling to work” until they took it out of the Document… then I realized, in a communist takeover, without this guarantee, the inventors and engineers (like me) are actually the ones “unwilling to work” and we get sent to “re-education camps” and if that doesn’t work “the killing fields”.
It has happened every time its tried. If human behavior was modeled like AGW, you would see.
That the young want someone to take care of them and don’t want to do any work, has never been in doubt.
They think differently because they are incredibly ignorant as well as incredibly arrogant.
Case in point, Ivanski.
Millenials think completly different to their parents in the environment
Well naturally, as they have been indoctrinated by the green-media & so-called education system cults since birth. Their parents were usually overwhelmed.
Ivan,
We know that our children are dumber than us. We just hope that we can live long enough to keep them alive long enough to learn the truth.
” the GOP will lose their votes if they fail to act on this.”
That’s life! If the GOP changes direcition it will lose votes from its traditional voters. If it does NOT change direction, it will fail to gain votes from Millenials.
But since Millenials are somewhat reliably Democrat, there’s not much room for Republicans to merely become Democrat Lite. Cede the field to the Democrats; that’s where many Millenials will go, and recognize that many Boomers will go with the GOP. It’s an age thing.
Let’s give Cortez some credit. She proposed something that might actually work at stopping CO2 emissions. It’s completely and utterly impossible on several levels, but unlike all the other schemes I’ve heard, if it could have been done, it would have actually accomplished its goal.
I think that’s the problem most of us have with climate change. The costs of “fighting” it is are so over the top that whenever serious actions that might have affect it are proposed people recoil at the sheer absurdity of the proposals. They then go for solutions that are essentially useless but still extraordinarily expensive.
The political concept of being of the Left or Right is meaningless.
The reality is that all major political parties go for the centre, where most of the votes are. People a bit like Goldelocks don’t want too far to the Left or Right.
In a ideal World we would take the best of whatever each side was offering, but with the exception of a major matter, such as in the USA December the 7th 1 1941 , such co-operation simply does not happen,
Its better to think of Politics as a circle, and you will find that if you should go in one direction, you will end up back where you started from.
MJE
The last to think of politics as a circle were the knights of the golden circle, mispronounced down south.
Instead think of parties, mispronounced, as poties.
The rest is money!
Missed you for a while, brother.
AOC is the gift that gives beyond measure.
The confusion rampant here about “socialism” , “communism” etc. shows a complete lack of study.
The US Army OSI was similarly confused in 1945 and set up a proper investigation. They found the “synarchists”, nominally a French word, that explained the apparent paradoxes. These were funded by a handfull of banks, Banque de Worms, later became Lazard Frere for example. In there they found the Brown Brothers Harriman funding of Hitlers NSDAP 1932 campaign by granpa Prescot Bush and Bank of England Norman Montague.
So the socialists of Monday exchanged jackets on Wednesday with communists. The beef in that sandwich was the Weimar Republic.
Which synarchists are today funding the GND, one might ask?
commieBob February 10, 2019 at 4:13 pm
It baffles me that he posts a google search, not a web site. Anyway, here’s a link.
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There’s a simple explanation to not post Wikipedia or a Web site but a Google search :
ev’rybody knows Wikipedia is not reliable and maybe biased.
ev’rybody knows a Web site is not reliable or even BIASED.
So DO YOUR OWN WEB SEARCH ON YOUR OWN LIABILITY
and believe what you want.
/ everybody feel free to correct me where I’m wrong /
Here we post advocacy or arguments; of course I am biased and so are you. So, I post arguments that support my belief, and you post arguments that support your belief. People are then free to read your posts, and my posts, and come to some sort of decision; perhaps do some more research.
So that is why it is better to make sure you post your argument right here to be seen and not invite people to go to Google to guess at what is your argument. Not many will make the trip and then it is not known what is your argument.
Term limits. We need to have term limits on all politicians. Hopefully AOC gets the boot after 1 term
Too bad Trump has term limits. I would like to see him stay in the presidency until he feels like retiring. Alas, term limits will deprive the world of one of the great leaders of all time. So appreciate the next six years.
Btw, Trump’s approval rating went from 43 percent during the government shutdown to 52 percent today (Rasmusen). The Democrats must wonder what they can do to make a dent in Trump’s popularity. What they have done so far hasn’t worked. They throw everything they have at him and Trump just keeps getting stronger.
Trump’s having a rally tonight in El Paso. No doubt, we will hear “Build that Wall” a number of times during his speech. This ought to be fun. Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke is supposed to be holding a counter demostration to Trump’s rally. That ought to be fun, too.
Obama’s supporters no doubt felt the same way.
Yes, but it is obvious that Obama’s followers are seriously deluded and out of touch with reality. So it’s not quite the same thing.
Term limits will just mean that incumbents groom their successors sooner.
What we really need is to reverse the various civil service acts that make it so difficult to dislodge deep state bureacrats. Ideally going all the way back to POTUS having unrestricted hire-and-fire. It’s much harder for a swamp of monolithic bureaucracy to form if the whole system stands to be flushed every new term.
“Ideally going all the way back to POTUS having unrestricted hire-and-fire.”
That’s an idea that deserves consideration.
I do not favor term limits for politicians unless or until there are term limits on bureaucrats.
wuwt is a minefield.
Every contributer to syrien ISIS after 7 years of war is a winner.
Every commenter about / capitalism / communism / fascism /
under his clear name is a winner.
Every ESL, english second language, including latin, Indian, far east, russian, Chinese origin is exempted.
You know this website is a base of discussion for ordinary, reasonable people worldwide and your only a minor part of “worldwide”?
Where have you outcasts slept the last 10, 20 years in the suburbs under your ALIASES?
And today with open helmets YOU ARE THE WINNERS?
Could you try that again, in English this time.
Johann W, better check those prescriptions again. I think it supposed to be TWO Abilify tablets a day, and only ONE Latuda capsule, not the other way around.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wir+alten+K%C3%A4mpfer&oq=wir+alten+K%C3%A4mpfer&aqs=chrome.
If AO-C gets her GND in 10 years, her other prediction — that the world will end in 12 years will come true.