Weekend Open Thread

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Dr. Strangelove
September 1, 2018 7:57 pm

Trivia: Benjamin Franklin is the first American scientist. Who is the first American woman scientist?

Answer: Maria Mitchell
She is a distant relative of Ben Franklin. She discovered a comet in 1847 known as “Miss Mitchell’s Comet” and received a gold medal prize from the King of Denmark for her discovery. The first woman elected Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (1848) and of American Association for the Advancement of Science (1850). First woman Professor of Astronomy (Vassar College, 1865) and first director of the Vassar College Observatory.

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Reed Coray
September 1, 2018 8:13 pm

I recently came to the realization that since CO2 is a heat-trapping gas (at least that’s the AGW scientific consensus), CO2-based heat farms can be constructed to provide warmth to homes in cold climates. I’m looking for investors for my CO2 heat farm idea. For details, see “comment 11” on Joanne Nova’s blog.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/09/weekend-unthreaded-224/#comments

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Reed Coray
September 3, 2018 5:18 am

Domed cities with controlled climates have been a science fiction writers dream since the 1940’s.

AntonyIndia
September 1, 2018 9:57 pm

Statistical Evidence for the Role of Southwestern Indian Ocean Heat Content in the Indian Summer Monsoon Rainfall
Using OMT gives an 80% correct prediction over over 60% for using SST. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30552-0.pdf

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  AntonyIndia
September 1, 2018 11:29 pm

Thanks for this.
Its good to see you Indian scientists are on the ball.

Little Oil
September 1, 2018 11:29 pm

I have friends, ex friends and family who I believe are reasonably smart but they believe in global warming and the need to close down coal fired power stations.
As a retired engineer I think this is crazy. I have looked at the NOAA temperature data and each of the last 12 hottest years was just 3/100 degrees hotter than the previous record.
Why can’t they understand this? Why can’t they see the damage being done with high priced unreliable renewable power?

BoyfromTottenham
Reply to  Little Oil
September 2, 2018 12:49 am

Simple, Little Oil, they are not engineers (even retired ones). Even worse, they do not know that 3/100 of a degree hotter or colder is not worth a hill of beans, they are scared by every alarmist comment in the msm, and probably cannot think for themselves beyond what to order for dinner. Smart doesn’t mean educated or logical. They have been steadily brainwashed by the msm for at least two decades, and if under 40 have been further brainwashed at school and/or university. I would guess that 90% of school and university teachers are fully indoctrinated into alarmism (and a version of Marxism to boot). Even my 5 year old grandchild is getting fed stuff like ‘xyz animal / plant is endangered and will become extinct if we don’t stop using fossil fuels (or whatever other boogie man). Have we lost the battle for these people’s minds? It doesn’t look good to me.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
September 2, 2018 6:34 am

“They have been steadily brainwashed by the msm for at least two decades, and if under 40 have been further brainwashed at school and/or university.”

And the anti-Western, violent trash that has been the staple of television, the movies, and “music” for decades should be included in the factors making people stupid. After watching and hearing all that degeneracy it’s amazing any of the younger generation can think straight.

Then add in the hateful political propaganda put out for eight years by Barack Obama and the other race-baiting Democrats, and we get the political climate we are living in today.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
September 2, 2018 11:58 am

Being an engineer is no guarantee that one can think for oneself – or see through the BS. At least at Boeing, many engineers believed in it. We seldom refuted them. Just marked them down in our mental books as stupid and gullible. Not good traits for an engineer. None that I knew were lead engineers, at least.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Kalifornia Kook
September 2, 2018 12:37 pm

How many Boeing saw what the rest of the world saw, that battery was really a problem?

simple-touriste
Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
September 2, 2018 12:39 pm

How many nuclear engineers even question the need for all that radiation safety?

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  simple-touriste
September 2, 2018 5:08 pm

simple-touriste

How many nuclear engineers even question the need for all that radiation safety?

? What are you talking about?

simple-touriste
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 3, 2018 9:57 am

Why are allowed radiation levels (for workers and general population) set so low?

Reply to  Little Oil
September 2, 2018 1:59 am

Little Oil

Because like everything else in life, they want to be spoon fed everything.

I’m not educated, all I did was ask some questions like, are there empirical studies that demonstrate CO2 causes the planet to warm. Turns out there’s none.

richardw
September 2, 2018 12:42 am

How the war on climate change slams the world’s poor, by Bjorn Lomborg: https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/how-the-war-on-climate-change-slams-the-worlds-poor/

Reply to  richardw
September 2, 2018 2:18 am

richardw

Nor does it include the 120,000,000 people the World Health Organisation predicts will die by 2050 from smoke inhalation related diseases. All because the are forced to burn animal faeces (dung) and wood to cook and heat with because they are not allowed cheap electricity from fossil fuel power stations.

September 2, 2018 2:38 am

Was in Braemar last week. Found this on a table in a tea bar.
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Reply to  Rainer Bensch
September 2, 2018 12:05 pm

That’s tae fughny [I’m not very practiced at trying to type in an authentic Scot-Irish accent].

Would it be more effective like this:

They wur fair lookin farward tae Globull Warmin

john
September 2, 2018 4:12 am

Want to make some liberals howl? Just ban marijuana due to the excess production of CO-2…

1200-1500 ppm CO2…
https://www.growweedeasy.com/co2

https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-are-co2-marijuana-concentrates

Hey, 350 ppm is the limit…right?

john
Reply to  john
September 2, 2018 4:31 am

Massachusetts wants to go green…no CO2 producing power plants, but…

A cannabis-business park covering 1 million square feet is coming to Massachusetts

https://qz.com/872938/the-biggest-marijuana-grow-facility-in-the-us-isnt-where-you-think-it-would-be/

Power Hungry Weed Farms…
https://www.thecannabist.co/2015/12/21/growing-marijuana-indoors-energy-use/45448/

john
Reply to  john
September 2, 2018 5:08 am

Hey! Al Gore, you have some splainin to do…

http://norml.org/component/zoo/item/tokin-politics

…Trapper: “So when did you and Gore smoke pot?”

Warneke: “We started in 1970, I think. At my house in Nashville. He likes pot. He told me he smoked it before. I smoked it with Al before he went to Vietnam. And he told me he smoked over there in Vietnam. But now that I know how Al talks about it as opposed with what he really does, I don’t know what to believe.”

Trapper: “But he was a senator’s son at the time. Wasn’t he worried about being caught?”

Warneke: “He was paranoid. When he smoked in my house he would run around in my house and he would close all the blinds. If it was night he’d turn all the lights out. He’s look out the windows and make sure that no one was watching. And then he would light up. Talk about paranoia. We played pool in the dark once. That’s how a senator’s son smoked pot.”

john
Reply to  john
September 2, 2018 5:53 am

Excerpt from Power Hungry Weed Farms..

“the facilities in the 23 states where marijuana is legal are responsible for greenhouse-gas emissions almost equal to those of every car, home and business in New Hampshire.”

…And that was 3 years ago.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  john
September 2, 2018 7:12 am

Yeah but does anyone there care anymore?

Reply to  john
September 2, 2018 2:35 pm

I always found it odd that many of the same people that want to ban cigarettes or limit where they can be smoked for health reasons (second hand smoke and all that) want to legalize marijuana.
They even want to restrict e-cigarettes even though it’s not the nicotine in cigarettes that is linked to cancer but the “smoke”.
Back in my youth there was no such thing as a “smokeless” joint. The closest was a water pipe.
(I once used my old chemistry set to make a 5 chambered “water pipe”. Not worth the effort. 8- )

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 3, 2018 7:16 am

At least with pot you end up not caring if you get cancer from it. And if you do you can get more pot prescribed to lessen the pain. Win-win.

Tom in Florida
September 2, 2018 6:26 am

Open thread so, has anyone ever lived in Florida then moved to Las Vegas? If so, please tell me about the heat difference in the summer. I do like hot weather, just not sure if a drier 105F is better than a humid 95F. Thanks in advance.

Macusn
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 2, 2018 10:04 am

Since the amount of CO2 is the same at both locations, it would only be the water vapor (lack of in the desert west) that makes the difference. More water vapor on the east coast of the states means, holding every thing else the same, temps climb less on the east coast because the sun has to heat the water vapor, same amount of energy. Just carry an umbrella to keep the sun off your body out west, the rain in the east.

Mac

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 2, 2018 12:09 pm

Not lived in either place, but had assignments in both for months that accumulated to years in both. I’d take Vegas in a heartbeat. Walk a hundred feet in the area of Cape Canaveral and you need a shower in any month except February. In Vegas the humidity is so low you rarely sweat – it evaporates almost immediately.
In short, I prefer 112F in Vegas over 95F in Florida. But I prefer cool weather. And snow. Neither offer that. I live in Reno. Decent snowfall, short summers. It’s already trending to Fall here. 40s in the early morning, highs in the high 80s. Life is good.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 2, 2018 5:02 pm

I personally would rather work outside in drier 105F weather than in humid 95F weather.

john
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 3, 2018 11:29 am

I’d rather be fly fishing in 55-60 degree wx in the spring and fall…

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 2, 2018 8:00 pm

In my experience in Australia when it is hot, say 35c and humid, ~90%+, it’s down right horrible, inside with air-con on all the time. When it’s hot, say 46c+ and dry, ~15%, it’s hot but comfortable to be outside.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 3, 2018 6:45 am

Thanks to everyone for the info

Hocus Locus
September 2, 2018 7:59 am

The braids of the Weekend Open Thread were touched by no frost, its admixture of correspondents clear and flawless and smooth, and the light of stars glinted in its ideas. Yet high and noble it was, as thought and knowledge were in its glance, sharing many things from those who have known what the years bring.

Above the Thread’s brow the familiar header of the website: a careening vista of Earth with a thin sheen of silver cloud lace illuminated by afternoon (or is it morning?) sunlight as from countless strata of gems, glittering and deep. Some arriving to declare its beauty, others to encircle its soft raiment of climate in a girdle of scientific reason and debate.

Exactly such a thing the world had never seen before, and those who participate are both surprised and delighted to discover they have a virtual seat at the table among all these folk so high and fair.

J Mac
Reply to  Hocus Locus
September 2, 2018 9:22 am

Nice bit of prose there…..

Roger Knights
September 2, 2018 11:50 am

“Read research papers trapped behind a paywall with this Chrome extensions”:
https://lifehacker.com/read-research-papers-trapped-behind-a-paywall-with-this-1828771519

“Whenever you come across one of those papers that you need to pay for, the extension [Unpaywll] searches for the article to see if the author has posted a free version anywhere as well. … According the extension’s creator “The majority of scholarly journals permit authors to “self-archive” their papers on university and government web servers.””

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 2, 2018 1:59 pm

Oops: the extension is spelled Unpaywall

Roger Knights
September 2, 2018 2:00 pm

Here’s a way to undermine the “consensus” argument: by showing that entrants to climatology were biased in favor of alarmism from the get-go, and still are.

What would indicate that bias? A belief that man’s intervention in nature ranges from bad to very bad.

What would indicate that? Membership in various Green advocacy groups or subscriptions to their magazines, or extensive reading of green books, or having taken courses in ecology and the environment. (Their thesis: Four legs good, two legs bad.)

How to do that? By a survey that questions climatology professors about their memberships, subscriptions, reading habits, and courses taken.

What else might indicate a predisposition to alarmism? A belief that capitalism is a short-sighted system that puts selfish profits ahead of any harms it might do to others in the process.

Again, questions about memberships in advocacy groups, subscriptions, reading habits, and educational background would provide indications of a tendency to alarmism,

Finally, questions could be asked about participants’ motives for entering the field. Answer like “wanting to make a difference” or “wanting a healthy world” would point to a non-objective, non-scientific intent.

So I urge some sociologist of science to conduct a poll, or hire a polling firm like Harris to do one. An informal, friendly pilot poll by a well-known warmist at a meeting of the AGU or APS might provide noteworthy findings and be sufficient to secure an investigatory grant from the NSF. (Just kidding.)

September 2, 2018 3:32 pm

Open Thread.
I’ve been a fan of Star Trek and it’s offshoots and a fan of Stargate-SG1 and Stargate-Atlantis. (I gave it a chance but never cared for the last series.)
Between the first two Stargates, I’ve noticed an actor or actress (not always a main character) that was also in one of the Star Treks EXCEPT the original Star Trek.
Does anyone know of someone from the original Star Trek that also was in one of the Stargates?
(The research to provide an answer would be much more valuable than the research behind …. well … you know .8- )

Reply to  Keith Sketchley
September 3, 2018 1:43 pm

Thanks, Keith.
I’d already noticed most, if not all, of those listed while watching the shows. But none of those listed were in the original Star Trek.
I’ve never noticed anyone from the original Star Trek series in a Stargate. Not even a red-shirt phaser-bait.
Just curious if anyone else had.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 3, 2018 4:32 pm

>>
Just curious if anyone else had.
<<

I’ve not seen anyone in both shows either. For the same actors to appear in two different shows thirty years apart would be impressive. I noticed a couple of actors spanned that time gap, but they didn’t appear on both of those specific shows. Most of the actors on SG-1 were just a few years old when Star Trek was on.

Jim

Carl
September 3, 2018 1:55 am

Few terms going around like Climate Change Denier, Climate Sceptic, Climate Auditor…

If somebody wants to call me a denier, why nit find a better term?

Climate Crisis Denier
Climate Circus Denier
Climate Prediction Agnostic
Climate Projection Pragmatist

Any ideas?

Reply to  Carl
September 3, 2018 1:53 pm

Climate Progress Denier?
Progressive Political Climate Obstructer?
Natural Climate Change Denier?
(Oh…wait. That last applies to them.)

Roger Knights
Reply to  Carl
September 4, 2018 10:43 am

Climate Contrarian or Curmudgeon

simple-touriste
September 3, 2018 2:21 am

Where in the Constitution is it said that a political campaign cannot accept help from a foreign power, in money or nature?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 3, 2018 5:13 am

The Constitution does not address campaign operations. The last paragraph of Article I, section 9, know as the Emolument clause, does prohibit any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them” from accepting an present emolument, office or title of any kind from any King, Prince or foreign State. Notice the words “holding any Office..” . A candidate does not hold an office. Additionally, Congress has the power to consent to anything awarded or given to such an office holder and there would then be no violation.

Your question obviously pertains to Donald Trump. I would submit that Trump does not “own” most of his properties and companies, they are most likely all corporations. As corporations by definition are separate legal entities, he personally does not receive any emolument directly from any foreign state and therefore their is no violation of the Emolument clause pertaining to those corporations.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 3, 2018 10:11 am

No, it’s a general question but first addressing specifically the Bernie Sanders campaign which violated code by getting help from foreign volunteers. (I don’t see the issue with Bernie getting help from abroad.)

Then there is the Hillary campaign receiving occult help from foreign governments in the form of tainting Donald Trump (directly or his campaigning team) which is another matter.

Then there is Donald Trump campaign potentially being helped by the Wikileaks publications potentially being sourced from Russia.

Then there are posts on social media from all around the world in many languages.

But the focus of my question is mostly the explanation and restrictions of the SCOTUS decision of allowing unlimited money to entities disjoint from the official campaign of the candidates, but with the explicit restriction that the law can still forbid help from foreign entities.

Obviously there may be a problem with international treaties and how the US, currently represented internationally by the Special Mueller ostensibly tries to police the exact thing done by foreigners on the US that the US does on foreigners. Still wondering whether the Mueller probe could be considered by Russia, following US national hero McCain, as a casus belli.

Reply to  simple-touriste
September 3, 2018 1:56 pm

You left out Bill Clinton and the Lippo Group.

J Mac
September 3, 2018 9:59 am

“A study published in Science documents how scientists for the first time used gene editing to halt the progression of Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) in dogs. It is seen as a major step toward a clinical trial.”

“CRISPR gene editing technology restored muscle function in dogs to near-normal levels in the heart, diaphragm and other muscles. The work builds upon previous CRISPR research in which Dr. Eric Olson’s lab corrected DMD mutations in mice and human cells. The technique requires only a single cut at strategic points along the subject’s DNA and is less intrusive than traditional gene-editing methods.”

https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/articles/year-2018/dmd-dogs.html

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  J Mac
September 3, 2018 3:46 pm

“Early results for gene therapy for muscular dystrophy raises hope” by By Bill Rabinowitz in
The Columbus Dispatch on Jun 22, 2018 http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180622/early-results-for-gene-therapy-for-muscular-dystrophy-raises-hope

Dr. Jerry Mendell … Ohio State University and Nationwide Children’s Hospital neurologist … gave a research-and-development presentation in New York City revealing the preliminary results of his gene-therapy trial …

Mendell and research partner Louise Rodino-Klapac led a clinical trial at Nationwide Children’s initiated with funding by Parent Project Muscular Dystrophy involving four boys ages 4 to 6. At the start of the trial in January, the boys could climb steps only one leg at a time while holding onto a handrail.

“Now they are climbing stairs without using the handrail just as well as you or I can,” Mendell said. “One of the boys, who’s been able to be on the treatment trial the longest, is able to run with ease and can ride his scooter without any problems.”

Not even Mendell expected that before the trial started.
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Duchenne, the most-common type of muscular dystrophy, is caused by the absence of a key structural protein in muscles called dystrophin. That causes muscles, including the heart, to wither. Most Duchenne patients, almost all of whom are males, live only into their 20s.

In the trials, Mendell and Rodino-Klapac used a reduced-size dystrophin gene, small enough to fit in a virus that was then injected into the patients. The results proved better than Mendell’s most-optimistic hope.

Mendell said he couldn’t believe that dystrophin was present in the majority of muscle fibers examined in post-treatment biopsies.

“We’d never seen anything like that before,” he said.

He added that the most-significant results were found in the heart.

Further, blood tests from the boys revealed a significant drop in levels of creatine kinase, an enzyme found at high levels in Duchenne patients, usually indicating that the muscle is more fragile.
* * *
She and Mendell cautioned that more trials are needed. Mendell’s gene therapy, licensed to Sarepta Therapeutics, was done on young boys whose muscles had little atrophy. Mendell said the damage to the muscles of older Duchenne patients may be too far along to reverse significantly.

Roger Knights
Reply to  J Mac
September 4, 2018 10:50 am

WaPo had an article out yesterday, “The Future of Food,” describing how CRISPER and TALENs are improving the yield and nutritional value of soybeans, etc., and have revolutionary potential, being inexpensive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/08/11/feature/the-future-of-food-scientists-have-found-a-fast-and-cheap-way-to-edit-your-edibles-dna/?utm_term=.8f5075374a30&wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1

eyesonu
September 3, 2018 11:25 am

Let’s all join hands and thank the weather and wind gods for sparing Miami the devastation of a puff of wind named Gordon that slammed into Miami with winds of 23 mph and gust to 35 mph at its peak hour and dumping 2 1/4 inches of rain over a 7 hour period of time.

Now take notice you nasty weather gods, ease up on those frequent pop-up 2 mile wide summer thunderstorms that blast 60 mph gusts and dump 2 inches of rain in 15-30 minutes that happen many times each year where I live, I’m gonna start giving them names and you will be damned!

Walter Sobchak
September 3, 2018 2:39 pm

I am looking for a better internet weather page. I have been using Weather Underground for many years. It was light, quick, colorful. A couple of years ago weather.com bought it I think they are neglecting it or trying to kill it off. Features are disappearing.

What weather pages and weather apps do you use?

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
September 3, 2018 4:22 pm

I go to my local NWS on my PC. They probably have an app. (I live in the US and I don’t have a cell phone.)
Your local stations probably have an app.
I pretty much only use The Storm Channel on my TV as a timer in the morning for when it’s time to leave for work. (I mute it.)

Keith R Jurena
September 4, 2018 3:21 am

How did hairless apes evolve through ice ages? Yes, brains and tools led to clothing and shelter but still the climate must have been warmer to require naked apes.

Reply to  Keith R Jurena
September 4, 2018 6:06 pm

Well they could have evolved in the tropics. Actually back in the day (1967) there was a book called ‘The Naked Ape’ which went into a lot of detail about how it may have happened. 😉

simple-touriste
September 4, 2018 10:01 am

On French TV:
– Trump is unconcerned about GHG … unlike all other countries
– French gov might not do upstream taxation, unlike other countries in Europe that have no problem doing it
– nuclear reactor in French electric production is very very much above normal of other countries

The UNIVERSAL consensus on MSM is that politicians should do whatever all other politicians of other countries do.

Also:
“Kids, don’t do drugs. Even when all other kids do.”