A shining example of @Google and @YouTube protecting us against ‘misinformation’

Guest essay by Dave Burton

Today I watched an excellent educational YouTube video by Jim Steele, about polar and glacial ice trends and causes. If you view Jim’s video, you’ll notice YouTube/Google has added an “info-box” to it (and also to most other climate-related videos), with a link to a Wikipedia article (which is among the most untrustworthy of all information sources about climate change) — to prevent Jim from misleading people with his heretical opinions.

You’ll notice they also show a list of other suggested videos on the right. One of them had a provocative title, so I clicked on it.

Here’s a screenshot of Jim’s video, with YouTube’s recommended videos on the right (click it to enlarge):

Here’s a screenshot of that YouTube-recommended video which I clicked on.  It is, literally, a “flat-earth” video (with 1.7 million views, I kid you not).

Note that it did not earn an info-box addition. Apparently Google/YouTube isn’t worried that it might be misleading. Click on the image below to enlarge it:


Obviously, Google/YouTube is hopeless. I wish they were the only ones.
We live in very unscientific times. In some segments of today’s academy, you can spout gibberish like, “intersectional feminist post-dialectical assemblage criticism of science as a racist, colonialist social construct,” without raising eyebrows.

But you can’t show a graph like this, as evidence that sea-level rise hasn’t accelerated in response to rising CO2 levels, without being called a “science denier,” or worse:


These next images are not parodies, they are three actual examples of post-modern “thinking” (I use the term loosely).

The first of the three is even peer-reviewed:

It’s no wonder so many people are suckers for every goofy climate scare that comes down the pike.
Dave Burton

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August 14, 2018 9:35 am

Time for an anti-trust action!

Reply to  Tom Halla
August 14, 2018 9:43 am

Heck, I haven’t trusted them for quite some time. Trying to get valuable information from You Tube is about the same as getting sex-education information on the playground, and equally as accurate.
I think its value tops out with music videos.

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 1:48 pm

and cat videos

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2018 2:18 pm

Just went to Youtube and searched for “Vanishing Ice most likely All Natural” and found the video but no Junk Science WIKI Listing underneath

Reply to  Bryan A
August 14, 2018 2:30 pm

The info-box & wikipedia link is still there, for me. It must depend on which server you happen to hit. I’m in NC, where are you, Bryan?

richard verney
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 4:55 pm

I read that it was being rolled out first in the USA, and would not happen in Europe for another year.

Stuart, Maylands, Western Aus
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 11:19 pm

I checked this from Australia and no link to the extremely biased Wiki page (given the history of that page I stopped donating to Wikipedia and only use it for historical & other non-controversial stuff).
Then I flipped my VPN to USA (San Francisco) and the link to Wiki did come up.
I think that Google, YouTube and Facebook are only just beginning to pay the price for this one-sided advocacy (and biased censorship)

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 15, 2018 2:40 am

in Aus and I also dont see it
may i say that pleases me;-)

Bryan A
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 15, 2018 9:59 am

Over on the Left Coast in Wakyfornia where they don’t allow dead trees to be forested and wonder what fuels wildfires Forest fires other than Climate Change

John Adams
Reply to  Bryan A
August 20, 2018 11:20 am

Dead trees forested?

Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2018 3:10 pm

My favorites are videos of lefty journalists and celebrities when it finally sinks in that Trump is going to be President. I check those out at least once a month, it never gets old.

michael hart
Reply to  secryn
August 14, 2018 8:01 pm

I love the ones that meme on Rogue1 when Darth Vader is spanking the rebels at the end like a hot knife through butter, but they’ve transformed it into Trump socking it to CNN and the rest.

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 4:35 pm

rocketscientist, I’ve found that YouTube is a great source of “how-to” information. Search YouTube for something like, How to replace clutch master cylinder on a 2003 Hyundai Elantra (or fill in the part of your choice, and the make & model of your choice), or how to fix a broken Roper/Whirlpool electric dryer belt,” or how to sweat-solder copper pipe.”

The key is that there’re are no political “sides” to these topics. So nobody has an incentive to try to persuade you of something untrue.

That is not the case for videos about climate change.

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 5:17 pm

True enough. I have also used it for such. I guess I’m from a tweener generation. I sort of fall into old patterns that were established before the information of the world (and also all the misinformation) was available from your laptop. This was demonstrated rather pointedly when I needed some information on how to replace a filter on a piece of equipment. While I grabbed and started leafing through the user’s manual, my daughter (age 26) grabbed her iPhone and started asking Siri. This time I won the race, but it was enlightening. Some times old methods work, but there is real value out there to be smelted from the dross.

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Dave Burton. As long as you NEVER look at the comments, you’re probably safe. Otherwise someone will bring up Trump within a handful of comments, and it goes downhill from there.

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 5:00 pm

It’s one thing to get sex ed from the playground, and another for the educator to pronounce it true in toto.
Google in the past has let YouTube run amok, and cared not whether it was safe, true, or anything else. Now they’ve taken an editorial stand on climate issues, yet there is so much blatantly bad and downright dangerous information on those videos, yet the censor/correctors are silent.
I smell trouble.

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 6:12 pm

If you think YouTube is bad, BitChute, from my brief foray, is nothing but sensationalized nonsense, looking for clicks.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 15, 2018 2:47 am

the SH is silent? the B is a substitute?

Reply to  Tom Halla
August 14, 2018 10:54 am

Hats off to Dave, who is someone I trust, and to Anthony likewise!!!

August 14, 2018 9:38 am

Paraphrasing George Carlin:
The average person is rather stupid, and half the population is less than average.

Bryan A
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 10:18 am

I always liked his other remark
Person is smart, People are stupid

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 10:39 am

Hell, in my early journalism classes, I was taught to consider the reader a ‘little bit lazy and a little bit stupid’ – hence the lead sentence containing What, How, Why, Where, When – which has since become a primer on how to bury ‘inconvenient truths’ that might disrupt the narrative in the bottom paragraphs.

Bob Koss
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 5:44 pm

Youtube is also protecting us from mis-information from George Carlin.

August 14, 2018 9:40 am

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There are no words to describe how fracking moronic this is…

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Ron Long
Reply to  David Middleton
August 14, 2018 10:32 am

Yea, but ]David, I think both of us practice science without intersectional feminism, and I have no idea where we can hide.

Reply to  David Middleton
August 14, 2018 11:33 am

What in the blue-eyed freaking fracking world is intersectional feminism?

It sounds like a disease that you can get if you go to dinner at someone’s house and don’t have the sense to leave when you see who’s in the front room.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 12:08 pm

I’m not certain what it is either, but I’m sure Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has it.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 12:28 pm


What in the blue-eyed freaking fracking world is intersectional feminism?

It sounds like a disease that you can get if you go to dinner at someone’s house and don’t have the sense to leave when you see who’s in the front room.

Basically, it is a direct form of censorship-by-race-sex-religion-oppression level. “If you are not part of “my” selected minority and agree completely with anything I believe (regardless of measurements or facts or scientific knowledge), you cannot criticise anything I believe.” So, unless you are a liberal extremist man-hating ambi-sexual vegan Muslim of African descent, you cannot criticize anything “I” say in public. Newton’s Laws, the Laws of Thermodynamics, the theory of gravity, nuclear theory, molecular theory, Carnot, and any other white, male, American or Euro-centric can be ignored because they are derived from the white male Euro-centric biased language of ancient (pre-post-modern) facts.

Yes, it is a disease. You catch it by attending post-modern universities, by listening to government-funded lectures and seminars, and by getting funded by the post-modern government bureaucracies who pay for such papers and who approve such papers.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
August 14, 2018 12:50 pm

Sarah Jeong, thoroughly indoctrinated against her Christian parents at Berkeley and Harvard, is a prime example.

She believes that white people have no culture of their own, so need to appropriate everyone else’s. The only example of white culture she could think was golf. Somehow it escaped her notice that the world’s most popular sports are all from Europe or white America, and most from England, to include soccer, rugby, field hockey, cricket, boxing and lawn tennis, plus of course basketball (invented by a white male Canadian in the US), baseball (from rounders), ice hockey, auto racing, gymnastics, track and field, American, Canadian and Australian rules football, rodeo, ping pong and roller derby. Mixed martial arts however does owe much to Asian martial arts.

Miss Jeong is a tech writer. Is she really unaware that digital, electronic computers and smartphones, plus the software to run them, were invented by white males? As even today are most apps, although some popular ones come from Asia.

Is it cultural appropriation when a Japanese orchestra plays European classical music?

She also is gleeful that white population has stopped growing, but seems not to know that Japanese, Korean and Han Chinese numbers are already below replacement rate.

Reply to  Theo
August 14, 2018 1:11 pm

AND she’s now an editorials editor at the New York Times.

Reply to  Theo
August 14, 2018 4:30 pm

Your ideas about computer science has a bug in it.
Now who was it in computing that first popularized the term about ‘debugging’ ?

And there’s Ada Lovelace, Ada Byron King, Edith Clarke, Grace Murray Hopper, Margaret Fox, Alice Burks and Joan Margaret Winters might have something to say on the subject. As would Betty Jennings, Betty Snyder, Fran Bilas, Kay McNulty, Marlyn Wescoff, and Ruth Lichterman, (original programmers of the ENIAC).
Lets not forget Hedy Lamarr the Hollywood diva and co-inventor of an early form of spread-spectrum techniques.

Also see the many others at http://www.pcbargainhunter.com/articles/women-in-computer-history.html

Reply to  RACookPE1978
August 14, 2018 1:09 pm

So Ocasio-Cortez DOES have it.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 12:55 pm

The term was coined in 1989 by civil rights professor Kimberlé Crenshaw, defined as: “The view that women experience oppression in varying configurations and in varying degrees of intensity.

Gotta love the accent aigu. A clear case of cultural appropriation!


John Harmsworth
Reply to  Theo
August 15, 2018 12:11 pm

Is that why they wind up with all our stuff and more lifespan to enjoy it?

Reply to  Theo
August 15, 2018 5:28 pm

Thank you for that educational tidbit, Theo. Why am I not surprised that the inventor of “intersectional feminism” has spent her entire adult life feeding at the public trough, with nary a momentary opportunity for corruption of her pristine insanity by the real world.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 1:00 pm

Can someone tell me what is so inadequate about feminism that it requires “intersectionality” to confront white supremacism?

And what’s so good about intersectionality anyway?
Why should having multiple distinct social identities inhabiting the same group allow for strength of reasoning? It may allow easier research but chaos is easily cut by hard logic.

Who defines which social identity is dominant?
Do we just trust in tradition and say “the Man” because of patriarchy?”

Reply to  MCourtney
August 14, 2018 3:13 pm

We love intersectionality in my town. Heck, we have one on just about every block.

Reply to  secryn
August 15, 2018 8:00 am

There are intersections and then there are INTERSECTIONS. I come from St. Paul. One downtown intersection had seven streets meeting. ‘Duh, to I turn there, there, there, there, there, or there? Great for tying up traffic at rush hour. It took them another 30 years to figure out how to straighten things out after removing the streetcar tracks.

Modern-Post-Its love intersectionality because it allow them to confuse every argument to the point no one knows what they are talking about.

Reply to  secryn
August 15, 2018 8:01 am

Aren’t blocks defined by intersectionality?

John Harmsworth
Reply to  MarkW
August 15, 2018 12:12 pm

And block-heads!

John M. Ware
Reply to  MCourtney
August 24, 2018 8:42 am

Tradition is not merely the continuation of what has been, but the reality of what endures.–Igor Stravinsky

Pat Frank
Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 4:01 pm

Christina Hoff Sommers has a lot to say about it, Sara. Check out her site Factual Feminist

She writes about intersectional feminism here.

It’s the intersection of all the prejudicial traits deployed agianst the oppressed in our horrible “cisnormative heteronormative imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy

This all comes from so-called “Critical Theory” by the way, which is all the rage in every single cultural studies department and which is neither critical nor a theory.

It’s tendentious self-serving bushwah used by the grievance industry that passes for the Humanities these days, in the academy.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Pat Frank
August 15, 2018 10:02 am

Sounds essentially like their excuse for doing nothing remotely productive in their lives.

Reply to  Pat Frank
August 15, 2018 5:56 pm

Gotta love the pseudo-intellectual labels that paint the behavior of 97% of humanity, over almost all of its time on Earth, as being somehow abnormal.

paul courtney
Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 5:33 pm

Sara: Here in Ohio, city traffic engineers are trying to replace intersectional feminism with roundabouts, gender neutral presumably.

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  paul courtney
August 15, 2018 8:02 am

Paul, actually, some clarification is needed. Roundaboutism has to discriminate against one of the following classes: clockwisecentrisim or counterclockwisecentrisim. It’s a terrible thing to see developing in modern society.

But I do agree that both of these chirality-isms are gender neutral . . . at least theoretically.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  paul courtney
August 15, 2018 11:04 am

paul courtney,
Roundaboutism sounds vaguely feminist to me! Somewhat akin to passive-agressive.

Reply to  paul courtney
August 15, 2018 5:31 pm

It’s promoting traffic fluidity. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 6:16 pm

Sounds like something you can contract from public toilets.

Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 7:35 pm

My daughter took a feminism class. [She tried to hide this from me.] Toward the end of the semester, her instructor offered extra credit if students would go hear a guest speaker. My daughter, who always likes to get someone to do things with her, asked my wife to go. My wife suggests me, me being the more esoteric intellectual one. So, I then find out that I have actually paid money for my child to have her head filled with this nonsense. I agree to go. This will be fun, I think. Intersectional Feminism.

This guest speaker is actually pretty well known, in the world of intersectional feminism. I looked her up later.

My daughter had no idea what the lecture was about. Me, having investigated Communism Young and Old, in my quest to figure out how the Communists took over the Democratic Party, I followed the lecture pretty well. Probably better than the undergrads, and not as well as the Commie professors.

This talk finished, and it was question and answer time. I waited a bit, so as not to rush in, as an assumptive male. After counting to five or six, I raised my hand. I asked some yes/no question that referred to some recent, big news story about racism, and addressing racism.

The guest lecturer scholar answered, “Yes.” and that was it. I said “OK, thanks.”

My daughter was impressed. My question basically revealed that I understood the lecture. She had no idea what was being discussed, and could not understand my question.

In the end, this “intersectional” stuff is this: “we” are all oppressed in different ways. We need to realize that while you may merely perceive that your femaleness, or your minority-ness, or whatever, is oppressing you, but these categories are crossed with each other.

This makes like ten more graduate courses to be taught. And, allows very privileged women with worthless educations from the best schools be able to claim similar oppressed status as people who are genuinely oppressed. Since they can whip up some intersectionality somewhere.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Sara
August 15, 2018 12:08 pm

I thought it was when two women collide in an intersection ( it could happen, you know how they drive) and start discussing the physics of how the cause and effect took place.
Before deciding that cause and effect are inconvenient, Capitalist, colonial, masculine dominance hierarchies and best left out

Reply to  Sara
August 15, 2018 6:12 pm

Peel off the pseudo-intellectual veneer, and put it in understandable everyday language, and you get a transcript of a schoolgirl having a banshee-screaming tantrum over not getting absolutely everything she wants, 5 minutes before she wants it, nor being worshipped as the goddess of special snowflakes she obviously is, and blaming every SCUM* in sight for this intolerable state of affairs.

*Straight Conservative Uncolored Male

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  David Middleton
August 14, 2018 12:21 pm

This SJW just started shaving last month me thinks.

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Nicholas Paliewicz, Assistant Professor
University of Louisville
Research Areas:
Environmental Communication
Activism and Social Justice

link: http://commcourses.com/www/nicholas-paliewicz

Is there any doubt that our universities are utterly failing our children when they hire faculty with “research” agendas like these? What a stupendous waste of money for a kid to take out loans to learn such garbage and an indoctrination that would make George Orwell give a knowing nod were he alive today to see what is happening.

I’m guessing this kiddie has a black jeans, black shoes, a black hoodie, and a black balaclava hanging in his closet.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 14, 2018 12:32 pm



Is that really you?

We’re all saved folks!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  HotScot
August 14, 2018 12:43 pm

No Hot, his alter ego name should be Clerk Cant.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 14, 2018 4:03 pm

Nicholas Paliewicz is an expert at analyzing Trump speeches. We are very fortunate to have yet another person doing that! 🙂

Reply to  jaymam
August 14, 2018 4:11 pm


Nicholas Paliewicz is an expert at analyzing Trump speeches. We are very fortunate to have yet another person doing that!

Did he predict a Trump victory in Nov 2016 based on his own analysis of the Trump public speeches, in opposition to the public clamor and millions of opposing news “analysis” by other “experts”? If not, he is no credible “expert” – merely a well-paid, well-reputationed, news-media-national democrat socialist party parrot.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 15, 2018 11:12 am

Starting with Socrates, the ancient Greeks struggled with the concept of justice. Now we have a pubescent professor who has all the answers! Clearly we have made progress! /sarc

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 15, 2018 12:21 pm

No rioting for him! It makes his glasses fog up and aggravates his allergies. Then his Mom gets upset.

Reply to  David Middleton
August 14, 2018 12:27 pm


At long last Egor, my evil, cunning plan for world domination is manifesting itself.

I have you all, at last. I’m not a scientist, I’m not educated, and I haven’t a clue what they are all talking about, therefore I can’t be brainwashed by their psycho-babble.

Ignorance is bliss! You educated fools underestimated me……Mwahahahahahaha!

Get uneducated and join me in my quest for a bit of common friggin’ sense! We shall rule the world as normal people, free from the anthrowhatitsname global (well, flat sort of disk thing floating in space) warming.

I am your overlord! Commonsensical!

Worship at my feet minions!

Hmm…..That doesn’t make much common sense, does it? OK, so………..

Worship at your own feet minions……….


Another beer serf!………Please.

PS….Does this mean that our Mother Earth is less likely to be hit by asteroids and shit like that if we are flat? I mean how thick is the planet?

OK, a long route to the punchline, but I got there eventually. 🙂

Reply to  HotScot
August 15, 2018 8:25 am

Who knew digging a hole to China is possible?
Well i’ll be!

August 14, 2018 9:41 am

Viewing from the UK, there’s no message from wiki attached to Jim’s video.

Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 14, 2018 10:14 am

I’ve seen the same on anything that is skeptical of AGW, and nothing about the flat earthers as well…. there are equally other forms of entertainment videos that didn’t earn a wiki box.
I can only assume that given the interest of Google, that there must have been something right.
I think I saw something on it about it only being in the US.

Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 14, 2018 10:51 am

Google says it’s only in the U.S. for now, other countries to follow.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 14, 2018 11:17 am

I think the focus is on the U.S. because the midterm elections are coming up. In the past several months there has been an all out blitz by social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc) to censor, demonetize, shadow ban then completely ban, anyone who doesn’t adhere to the “Progressive” party line.

Mark Zuckerberg recently admitted that accounts like Alex Jones are being brigaded by groups of SJW’s, whose sole aim is to attack opinions that they don’t like and have the content and creators banned.

Reply to  Reg Nelson
August 14, 2018 12:25 pm

The censorship of conservatives by Twitter, Google/YouTube, Facebook, etc. is a serious a threat to the open debate and free exchange of ideas which are among the foundations of healthy democratic institutions. So is the ongoing censorship of conservatives and the “filtering” of news by the so-called “mainstream” media.

That said, opponents of censorship need to pick their battles more wisely. Alex Jones is the worst possible battleground for the fight against censorship. In the same way that abortion promoters want every abortion debate to be about rape, leftist censors want every debate over freedom of expression to be about Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is a vile parody of conservatism. He is a tiny island of alt-right hatred, insanity & lies, in a great ocean of conservative decency, reasonableness, and honesty. For example, here he is, caught on video, inciting violence against one of my favorite people. Watch and hear him scream, “Get Michelle Malkin!” to a crowd of his supporters, at 2:44:


Here’s a screenshot:
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That was about 70 seconds after he heard the guy standing immediately behind him, in the green shirt, yell, “Kill Michelle Malkin,” repeatedly (from 1:27 to 1:34 in the video), which Jones could not have failed to hear.

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Jones is a monster.

There is no lie too outrageous, no smear too blatant or too vicious for Alex Jones. He will say anything.

Jones says that the Bush W. Administration blew up the World Trade Center, and that 9-11 and “every major case” of terrorism were U.S. government plots.

He says “the government” is intentionally poisoning you with vaccines, fluoride, and “chemtrails,” to keep you docile and infertile.

Scripture teaches us that lies are the language of Satan. They are also the language of Alex Jones, and they have consequences.

When people believe what Jones says about fluoride, their children’s teeth rot.

When people believe what he says about childhood vaccines, it puts their children’s lives at risk.

My friend (neighbor two doors down) lost her beautiful 18yo daughter to the flu in 2011. She was a senior in high school, and had already been accepted to Merridith College, and awarded a scholarship. She hoped to become a veterinarian. The 2009 H1N1 swine flu epidemic caused over 18,000 confirmed deaths, worldwide. At least a few of them were undoubtedly caused by people believing Alex Jones.

When people listen to what he says about 9–11, chemtrails, etc., I think it might actually kill brain cells. Here’s the evidence:

(Note the caption is problematic, because there’s no proof that the woman “fighting chemtrails” is a Ron Paul supporter — but Alex Jones was.)

You should not believe anything from Alex Jones. There’s no such thing as chemtrails. There’s no such thing as geoengineering, nobody is controlling the weather. The moon landings weren’t faked. 9-11 was not an “inside job” by President George W. Bush. Vaccines and fluoride are not government plots to poison you.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 12:45 pm

I’m not defending Alex Jones. He is a nutter. But even a nutters she be allowed the right of free speech in an open society as long they are not breaking any actual laws.

Tim Poole and Sargon are self described Liberals (in the traditional sense) were both suspended by YouTube. Diamond and Silk were shadow banned by Facebook. The list goes on and on.

In all of these cases no specific reason was given for the censorship.

Alex Jones case is unique in that within a 48 hours he banned by YouTube, Facebook, Linked In, Mail Chimp and Vimieo. Twitter was the lone holdout, but the their push back from their employees to ban him.

The NYT has just hired a editor who has made blatant racist remarks on Twitter against white people. Candace Owens, a conservative, black woman, retweeted the same tweets but changed “white” to “black”. Her account was immediately suspended.

Reply to  Reg Nelson
August 14, 2018 1:04 pm

Miss Owens has also been targeted for harassment by antifa goons.

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 1:54 pm

That’s the way these groups usually work.

They first attack some fringe person or group. Someone who is easy to isolate.
Then once they a solid precedent that banning the unacceptable is acceptable, they start working on groups that aren’t as far from the mainstream.

Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2018 3:08 pm

“First… / Then…”?

MarkW, they haven’t exactly waited. The Left already censors, not just climate realists, but also other conservatives.

It is an ongoing struggle and distraction for Dennis Prager:

(BTW, the PragerU videos on climate science are excellent: https://www.prageru.com/playlists/what-science-reveals-about-climate-change )

It’s even worse for pro-lifers like Lila Rose, the Center for Medical Progress, etc.:

AFAIK, all of the high-activity alarmist climate blogs are censored to enforce their viewpoint.

Some of the highest-profile scientific journals are run exactly the same way as the blogs.

At public forums on climate science, climate realists are usually excluded from participating.

Even I am frequently shadowbanned / ghosted on Twitter and YouTube. For instance, here’s a YouTube video with a lot of misinformation about climate science:


This morning I composed a very long, detailed, two-part rebuttal — which you can’t see, because it’s shadowbanned. Here’re two versions of a screenshot:

1. The .png version is complete, but you can’t click the links.

2. The .pdf version has clickable links, but at the top of each page part of the text is covered up:

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 5:42 pm

The length of your reply, the liberal use of double line breaks, and the number of links embedded in it, is likely why your comment appears to be “shadowbanned.”
It was more than likely automatically marked as potential spam (for the reasons I mentioned). The channel owner can check a box and approve it for release – or not.

Reply to  Khwarizmi
August 15, 2018 6:27 pm

Interestingly, Khwarizmi, the two shadowbanned comments were visible to others for at least a few minutes. (I checked it in a “private”/”incognito” window.) But in less than two hours (perhaps less than one hour), they were shadowbanned.

I used Joe Scott’s contact form to send him a message, asking if he had intentionally shadowbanned my comments; thus far he has not replied.

Ghosting/shadowbanning has become so commonplace that I’ve gotten in the habit of checking for it, on sites where it seems likely to happen, like YouTube, Twitter, and some blogs, by looking for my comments from a private/incognito window, or from a different web browser which is logged in to my social media accounts with alternate user IDs.

(BTW, that’s how you can view a tweet by someone [like @MichaelEMann] who has blocked you: right-click the URL, then open the tweet in a private/incognito window.)

Twitter uses a slightly different approach. When Twitter shadowbans my tweets, they usually just hide them in the list of replies to other tweets. If another user has the direct link to a shadowbanned tweet, they can still view it, but otherwise they’ll never see it.

Here’s an example: a tweet by a climate alarmist named Karl Gary:

I posted what was apparently the only reply to that tweet, but you can’t see it…
…unless I give you the direct link to my reply:

Here’s a screenshot:
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Scott Bennett
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 7:41 pm

Personally, I don’t like Alex Jones but I do consider his ideas and I will not dismiss any idea simply because I don’t like the person that espouses it!

The guy in the green shirt who yells “Kill Michelle Malkin” also yells “Alex Jones is a Capitalist stooge!” Can anyone say agent provocateur…anybody!

Firstly you slander Jones*, then bundle a list of controversial subjects – that by any measure – are debatable in and of themselves**! All these topics are worthy of conspiracy analysis due to the massive power the truth or falsity of their narratives have on lives of real people.

The point about censorship is that you can slander the person and none of their works – that might defend them – are available to view because they have been removed. Only works attacking them are accessible.

* “[Alex Jones] …is a tiny island of alt-right hatred, insanity & lies…”
** “in their own essence and by their own nature”

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 14, 2018 8:02 pm

I believe that some governments are using the vaccines obligation (not the vaccines, the fact it’s forced on you) to rape the spirit of the people like capos in the concentration camp: you must inflect the risk of debilitating disease on your own children, to avoid infectious diseases that they won’t ever met anyway.

Vaccine mandate is truly demonic. Intelligent people, like the French people, distrust vaccine “science”. Even most intelligent people, the American people, elected a vaccine realist, Donald Trump.

Reply to  simple-touriste
August 15, 2018 3:26 am

Italy is also reinstating personal choice;-)

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 15, 2018 1:15 am

According your comments, do you deny : United States Sterilized in a sterilization program its Citizens ? https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sterilization-united-states_us_568f35f2e4b0c8beacf68713?guccounter=1
AS well, do you deny the H1N1 vaccin problem which was stopped after many contestations and manifestations ? Do you deny Bilderberg existance ?… Despite A.J personnality and that some reported information are of course not acceptable by any gouvernments, he has the ability to push people to think by them self and search for real information, not just only believe what officials say. About Youtube, they only add a few parts of wikipedia that global warming occurs (this is true) but the link to wiki should not be added due wiki info is political and not scientific and all prediction about Man made CO2 global warming is a theory, religion, political plan base on no real evidence that the man is the culprit.
According to new voted law about “fake news” at end of may in “France” :
“Toute allégation ou imputation d’un fait dépourvue d’éléments vérifiables de nature à la rendre vraisemblable.”
once translated:
“Any allegation or imputation of a fact without verifiable elements likely to make it plausible.”
What Youtube (google) is doing is adding “fake news” and it could be in violation of French law !

Reply to  Visiter
August 15, 2018 9:29 pm

The “proposition de loi relative à la lutte contre les fausses informations” was summarily rejected by the Sénat without even a debate. I don’t even know of a precedent where the Sénat would reject a text like that. (Of course l’Assemblée nationale can still pass the law without the Sénat.)

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 15, 2018 3:23 am

swine flu in aus this yr , i had it
its a pig alright
but where was any panic?
some died but then thats not unusual either

Reply to  Dave Burton
August 15, 2018 9:46 pm

“The 2009 H1N1 swine flu epidemic caused over 18,000 confirmed deaths, worldwide”

Confirmed how, exactly?

And it’s the fault of vaccine realists?

You know you sound a lot like Alex Jones now?

Reply to  Reg Nelson
August 15, 2018 3:13 am

blowback underway
i read AJ homepage etc is leaping upwards
hes a bit of a dill at times
but as an aggregator site i used to browse
rense is also good for huge aggregations on daily alt net items

Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 14, 2018 11:01 am

It is only in the U.S.A. (for now)..

Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Paul Matthews

Apparently it’s only being rolled out across the US at the moment. We’re next!


Jim Steele
Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 14, 2018 12:55 pm

The wiki message appears to be device dependent as well. An iPad and desktop did not see it while a MacBook Pro did. Very curious. It appears they are trying test the market for people’s responses. They can tell which devices are viewing and from where.

August 14, 2018 9:42 am

If another Russian team was assigned to divisiveness duties targeting U.S. populations, how would we know among all the other digital detritus? It is a crowded field for divisiveness. One must pay up to get higher ranked placement in divisiveness order.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 14, 2018 8:08 pm

At that point, I believe the Internet Research Agency and “the Russian melding in our election”, if it exists at all, is a trolling operation: Russia wanted to be seen as “meddling” to cause the left to reject election result, or divide our countries.

The French politicians with the spirit of the extreme right of the thirties (like Macron) and the ideas of the no border left are making a lot of effort to enable this “muh Russia” division, esp. the formerly LR (“Les Républicains”) politicians, now “Les Constructifs”, that is, the officially conservative candidates.

August 14, 2018 9:44 am

Oh Dear.
Barbie said “Math is hard”, feminists went wild.
Now, math has been declared raysis.
From the first image:
‘”Science” is a social construct developed through colonization.’

You know, I always thought there was something fishy about all those chemistry courses I took.

Honest liberty
Reply to  TonyL
August 14, 2018 10:15 am

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Reply to  TonyL
August 14, 2018 11:35 am

A social construct, huh? Do you think they’ll feel that way in the emergency room when they’re bleeding from a major wound?
Maybe those people should declare their antipathy toward modern medicine, which is science-based, so that they will only be given primitive medical aid, such as bleeding and leeches, and mud plasters.

Hugh Mannity
Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Bleeding and leeches were the height of medical science in their day. I think we need to go back quite a bit further to find a time before science excluded feminist wisdom.

Reply to  Sara
August 15, 2018 8:29 am

Sciences. Anatomy, Statistics and Law?

Reply to  TonyL
August 14, 2018 12:39 pm


I’m really not sure science has much to do with my colon.

Reply to  TonyL
August 14, 2018 7:54 pm

Where I live most adults (or any old person) say “math is hard” to the children (or any younger person). What they mean is “I suck at math” and “I hate math”.

What they cause is angst and failure in math classes.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  simple-touriste
August 14, 2018 8:32 pm

Or they could do like my seventh grade math teacher. I would ask him about a problem I was having and he would tell me, “Well, read the chapter over three or four times, and then you’ll know the answer.”

Reply to  TonyL
August 15, 2018 5:01 am

“Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house.” – Robert A. Heinlein

Reply to  kat
August 15, 2018 8:10 am

Another quote I’ve always liked: “When government decides to protect you from yourself, it’s time to get a new government.”

August 14, 2018 10:07 am

Here is the way to battle this nonsense. Challenge Google and others to defend Climate Science in public. They censor without ever defending the underlying science. Here is a concise list of challenges that Google should have to refute. Climate alarmists won’t debate because they want the issue, not the truth.

Comprehensive Climate Change Debating Points and Graphics; Bring It Social Media Giants. This is Your Opportunity to Do Society Some Real Good

August 14, 2018 10:08 am

I’ll see your:

intersectional feminist post-dialectical assemblage criticism of science as a racist, colonialist social construct

and raise you my:

fabricated pseudo-intellectual post-rational diatribe on categorical delineation as passive-aggressive diminution of shared standards

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 14, 2018 10:15 am

Anything in academia with the prefix, “post”, in front of it is just code for adult children who are still trying to rebel against their parents’ request for cooperation.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 14, 2018 10:45 am

I chuckled at the: “Words have meanings”.
True, but they don’t seem to know them, and are ignoring the meanings everyone else seems to be using.

I supposed rewriting the dictionary is also part of their cause?
from there it’s a short hop to:

…and a rather nasty reminder: “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” George Orwell ‘1984’

Robert W Turner
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 11:01 am

I was surprised they didn’t claim that the words themselves have feelings.

John Endicott
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 11:23 am

Whenever I see these leftist trying to redefine words, I’m reminded of Inigo Montoya’s famous line “You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means”

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 2:57 pm


As I have said in the past, Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four” isn’t so much a work of fiction anymore. Now it has become much more an instruction manual for how to brainwash and indoctrinate. Youtube, Google and the mass media are entirely on board with using it that way.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 14, 2018 3:37 pm


Cold warms hot.

Reply to  Gary Ashe
August 15, 2018 8:16 am

Cold doesn’t warm hot, however it can retard the rate at which energy leaves hot, which results in hot getting hotter.

Edward Caryl
Reply to  MarkW
August 15, 2018 9:35 am

No. For hot to get hotter, energy must be supplied.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Edward Caryl
August 15, 2018 12:50 pm

I think I know what is meant here. Heat flows from warm er to cooler.
However, if a cooler object of intermediate is placed between the warm object and the cool object the rate of heat transfer will relate to the temperature difference between the warm object and the intermediate object. This will be slower rate of transfer than before the intermediate object is introduced.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
August 17, 2018 8:46 am

Sorry MarkW, but while the cooling of Hot can be slowed that alone won’t make hot hotter. For Hot to get Hotter you need additional energy to be added.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 14, 2018 11:37 am

Robert, you just made my nose hurt. At least two tablespoons of cold tea vacated through my nasal passages. You are a heartlessly funny guy. Carry on!

Bryan A
Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 12:14 pm

In those immortal words of Baby Sinclair…

August 14, 2018 10:08 am

I only look at YouTube for things like this….

Reply to  Latitude
August 15, 2018 8:32 am

My Favorite of late.
There’s still hope.

August 14, 2018 10:12 am

Any doubt about what Obama’s meeting with MIT was about?

August 14, 2018 10:13 am

AND narrated by Sigourney Weaver, before God.
I guess Charlie Sheen’s been black-listed.

Robert W Turner
August 14, 2018 10:20 am

The bigger their house of BS is built, the more embarrassing and dirty the collapse will be.

Has there ever been a period of such unscientific times since science has been used as a tool to investigate the natural world?

Race is a social construct now, just forget that you can have your DNA analyzed by a geneticist that has never seen you and tell you exactly what your race is. This is beyond typical herp and derp, this is straight post-truth world – slap you in the face and claim I just kissed you – utter nonsense.

Reply to  Robert W Turner
August 14, 2018 10:36 am

If it’s going to tumble, it’s taking a damned long time. I argued with people in the nineties, telling them we’d still be arguing long after THEY told me we’d all be dead.
I was right on both counts, and they haven’t backed up a bit.

Reply to  Robert W Turner
August 14, 2018 12:31 pm


With regards to the new buzz-words “social construct” in all its forms I will assume you are aware of the recent publication in the peer-reviewed journal Cogent Social Sciences …. “The Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct”.

Well I certainly don’t want to get slapped in the face with a Conceptual Penis in any way or Social Construct of any form. I too would not view it as a kiss!

Time for an in-depth review of the “Conceptual Vagina as a Social Construct”. Probably less damage from being slapped in the face with that! ;-{)

Dave Fair
Reply to  eyesonu
August 14, 2018 1:39 pm

For God’s sake! What is a Conceptual Penis!?!

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Dave Fair
August 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Obviously a social construct!

Reply to  Dave Fair
August 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Boy, could I give you a list of names that would fit THAT description.
But, I’m trying to behave.

John Endicott
Reply to  Dave Fair
August 17, 2018 8:50 am

It’s what leftist soy boys are left with after their intersectional masters have emasculated them.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Robert W Turner
August 14, 2018 9:49 pm

It’s a wonder they don’t attack the science of forensics – you know, when human remains (crime scene or archeological digs) are discovered and scientists are able to tell what gender and race the person was. If these things are only “social constructs” then why do they show up in skeletal remains? And all of this was possible before DNA came into wide use.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lee Riffee
August 15, 2018 6:24 am

I love watching “Forensics Files”. 🙂

They have had programs dealing with transgender people and it doesn’t seem to keep them from identifying the perp.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Lee Riffee
August 15, 2018 12:59 pm

Female = victim
Male = oppressor

Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 15, 2018 6:27 pm

When a wife beats her husband, he deserves it. amirite

August 14, 2018 10:29 am

A new tactic, in the handout on ” How to talk to a climate denier “…. flood the field with crappy science so that it’ll be hard to tell ones that are good, from the ones that are bad. If I think it’s support AGW, I don’t click on it. Like the garbage from Climate State. I’d like to watch to see what they’re saying, but then I sort of already know. … “The world will end if we don’t get rid of democracy and billions of people have to die “

Reply to  rishrac
August 14, 2018 2:00 pm

There’s good climate science?

Gary Ashe
Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2018 5:23 pm

Its called the 1976 standard Atmosphere.

Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2018 8:22 pm

there is climate change and there is ‘ climate change’ as defined by the IPCC. I think some of the best science is on WUWT….

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
August 15, 2018 11:25 am

I thought that “good climate science” was an oxymoron — at least as currently practiced.

August 14, 2018 10:57 am

I reported the wikipedia link to google as misinformation.

Reply to  cbone
August 14, 2018 11:24 am

Must have worked; I didn’t see/don’t have the warning message while viewing the video from Tejas …

D. J. Hawkins
August 14, 2018 11:13 am

I sincerely, devoutly, hope that Jeff Putney in exemplar #3 is just having a laugh and encouraging his friends to heap scorn and ridicule on this meme.

August 14, 2018 11:30 am

Glad to see some concrete examples of the censorship going on with Google and YouTube. Aside from the fact that the samples are laughable, and support paranoia and delusional behavior, these actions by both Googlers and Youtubers rebut their claims that they are just ‘open platforms”, when in fact, they are PUBLISHERS. They are NOT allowing freedom of speech or freedom of ‘the press’. They are engaging in censorship, which refutes their bogus claims of not being publishers.

Do you understand what this means? It means they are much more open to having the pants sued off them. If they want to promote lies, that is their curse. The internet is full of such trash. At some point, it will sort itself out and platform publishers like Google and Youtube will simply dissolve into nothing.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sara
August 14, 2018 1:44 pm

Like you, Sara, I believe the vast informational content of the internet will evolve into a free-form medium that is user controlled. Today’s internet entrepreneurs will destroy the monopolistic monsters such as Google and YouTube.

August 14, 2018 11:34 am

Straw(man) poll in brew room – I conclude that even my fellow Scientists & Engineers are quite dumb and believe anything the media states – doh!

August 14, 2018 11:35 am

Viewing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZb0r4G_Gc from Ontario (here yrly May-Oct) & do not see any Google Info box w/ Wikipedia link to Global Warming. I note that earlier today others state it’s only in US… possible ploy to nudge mid-term elections. I’ll check when I get back to GA late Oct. 🙂

Reply to  Kitty Antonik
August 15, 2018 4:23 am

Maybe earlier, but, not seeing it here in Tejas (or Texas, if one prefers) which became one of the united states quite some time ago now …

UPDATE: Just checked it here AM Wednesday and *no* added ‘info’ box is showing …

August 14, 2018 11:37 am

I don’t get the wiki info box. Is it used based on user preferences?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Roger Caiazza
August 14, 2018 11:42 am

No. It’s based on the social and political prejudices of Google drones.

Buck Wheaton
August 14, 2018 11:57 am

Woke Progressives are driven by ideology, which is a simplified framework to explain the complexities of reality and of human nature. In all cases, any action or demand they make in the process is far more about how it advances the end goal rather than the immediate matter at hand. The appeal is either to emotion or to power, neither of which have to answer to truth or logic. It only has to be sufficiently plausible, even if only superficially.

In the case of the Woke Progressive cause currently called “climate change”, the solutions always converge far more reliably towards socialism than mitigating the biosphere.

August 14, 2018 12:09 pm

In the slideshow, the last line is “words have meaning” but apparently not.
There was a video I saw of a college girl in South Africa arguing in class that witchcraft was an equally valid “way of knowing” as science (which, she claimed, is colonial and oppressive).
The liberating thing about science has been that there has not been anyone in charge. The importance of this is that the existing “experts” often do not like the newest science. Plate tectonics was resisted for decades by the Geological Society of America. I remember an article in Scientific American postulating all sorts of land bridges (now vanished) to account for vicariance and matching geologic features separated by oceans. I thought they were nuts back then and I was in high school. Hand washing for doctors was resisted. The germ theory of ulcers was resisted. And we are now going to let youtube refer us to wikipedia for the “truth”????? ahahahaqhah gurgle

Reply to  ccscientist
August 15, 2018 4:30 am

“The importance of this is that the existing “experts” often do not like the newest science.”

For instance, Bob Parks of the American Physical Society (APS)and faculty member at the University of Maryland (and former physics department chair) vehemently condemn something which has repeatedly been shown to exist in lab test after lab test (AND by third party experimenters as well) … YET b/c their sacred cow, QM _deems_ it is not possible they vehemently condemn .. and so does ristvan …

August 14, 2018 12:16 pm

We simply need to boycott Google, Youtube, FB, Twitty and others. If enough of us left their platforms, we’d do them financial harm which would be a great and wonderful thing. They might reconsider free speech. If not, maybe free speech alternatives would pop up that we could use.

On a related note, I stopped watching TV about 9 or so years ago. I got tired of the left-wing politics and viewpoints being shoved down my throat so I “cut the cord” and have not paid a cable TV bill since.
I think ALL of us conservatives should at least end their cable TV service for a few months in protest. If we were able to coordinate and time this, it would cause HUGE financial pain to the TV service providers and would filter back to Hollywood.
Actually got the idea after listening to Larry Elder talk about some guy who talked to a lot of TV producers, directors, actors, etc. and then wrote a book quoting them saying how they purposely enjoyed showing left-wing social scenes and viewpoints in their TV shows just to piss conservatives off.

They haven’t pissed me off since I cut the cord. : )

There’s enough of us in the US to finically dent these left-wing social bastions of socialist thought. I hope some day we organize, leave their platforms in droves and fincially f**k these left-wing safe snowflake socialist zones…

We should also boycott companies that are onboard global warming. I stopped buy virtually all things that come from Unilever. This is a huge company with lots of everyday products.

Reply to  kramer
August 15, 2018 4:32 am

WAAAAY ahead of ya … haven’t had cable (or satellite) since, well, president Ronald Reagan’s first term …

Ewin Barnett
August 14, 2018 12:22 pm

Google has decided as a matter of policy to take a particular side in regards to climate. They have placed themselves in a position of the superior authority. I consider this to be another form of #FakeNews.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Ewin Barnett
August 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Michael Jordan was once asked why he never discussed politics. He reportedly responded by saying, “Republicans buy shoes too.”

The point being businesses and brands that take strong political stances run the risk of alienating half of the populace and their customers.

August 14, 2018 12:38 pm

Wikipedia is a very sound, informative, accurate website for such things as climaaatteee bwahahahahahahaha………..

I’m sorry, I thought I could keep a straight face while typing this, but it didn’t work.

Honest liberty
August 14, 2018 12:40 pm

Just in.. Vimeo is now censoring as well. Per this discussion the other day regarding censorship and narrative enforcing, like this nonsense living to wiki
Folks we need to find a true open media source, not some stupid internet bill of Rights where the government will take even more control.

Freedom of speech doesn’t matter the medium used.
What the heck happened to the United States?

Jim Steele
August 14, 2018 12:49 pm

Thanks Dave for publicizing how youtube is trying to control the debate!

Brian R
August 14, 2018 12:52 pm

I don’t know what scares me more, that Google/YouTube is adding this to climate videos or that that flat earth video has 1.7 million views.

Jim Steele
August 14, 2018 1:27 pm

I would urge all WUWT readers to go to twitter to publicize google’s manipulations. Use

the tag #googlethoughtpolice to report all examples of youtube and google trying to deflect, suppress or denigrate alternative opinions. We must confront this step towards intellectual tyranny.

The youtube info-box re-directing viewers to wikipedia also has a drop down menu to explain to viewers “why they are seeing this”. Their explanation they put it “alongside videos on a small number of well-established historical and scientific topics that have often been subject to misinformation online, like the moon landing.”

In other words youtube/google is trying to equate and marginalize any climate skepticism as if it was the same as moon landing deniers. It is really slander cleverly phrased to avoid legal suits

Mumbles McGuirck
August 14, 2018 1:51 pm

Ha,ha, ha, ha. You just gotta love that last bulletin point in the Power Point “Words have meaning”. Apparently, they do not considering all the meaningless gibberish in that and the other examples given. And did no one notice the huge grammatical error in the title of the Flat Earth You Tube video?
“Why We Cannot Go The South Pole” What, did they hire Frankenstein’s monster as their typist?
“Fire bad. No go South Pole. Go North Pole. Arrgh.”

Michael Lorrey
August 14, 2018 1:51 pm

This is why when I posted on the WUWT facebook group about Youtube and Google doing this on the, I recommended that vloggers need to do their own debunking videos about those recommended links any time Youtube or google add them as disinformation. Fact check the supposed fact checkers. Then use http://trive.org to archive it all on the blockchain.

August 14, 2018 2:21 pm

Since the spread of allegations about a child-sex ring at the Cosmic Pizza Pizzeria, it has been clear to grossly incorrect and misleading rumors are circulating on the Internet at a greatly increasing speed. It is also clear that some of this mis-information is being systematically and deliberately spread, including by Russia. RT is the biggest contributor of videos to Youtube and many are duplicated and submitted under a different name. Over half of all Tweets were re-tweets created by bots. Purely by chance, I googled the title of a post describing a police raid on the Clinton’s house in NY led by Trey Gowdy and got more that 50 websites and four videos that exactly matched the title.

What to do? a) Question the source of a provocative claim before sending it on to others? b) Challenge such claims when you know they are wrong?

All of the social media platforms are beginning to introduce tools such as this link to Wikipedia to combat mis-information and new laws in Europe require these platforms to censor. Unfortunately, the only tools they have are the major online fact-checking organizations – which are all controlled by the liberal media. In other words, the often-irresponsible liberal media is fact-checking itself AND the often-irresponsible conservative media that has arisen to make money off of angry conservatives.

Reply to  Frank
August 14, 2018 7:50 pm

I guess that people having in their social network “artistic” depiction of child rape is totally normal.

Pizzagate discussion has been avoided by mainstream, incl. Faux News.

Reply to  simple-touriste
August 15, 2018 3:36 am

try ZeroHedge
they didnt avoid it at all;-)

Reply to  Frank
August 14, 2018 10:36 pm

“got more that 50 websites and four videos that exactly matched the title.”

50 web sites? Or 50 matches. Not necessarily the same thing.

August 14, 2018 2:29 pm

‘Climate change’ is meaningless leftist orthodoxy.

A “science denier” denies leftist orthodoxy. It has nothing to do with weather or climate.

August 14, 2018 2:36 pm

Wow, regarding that last bit, about the #STEAMIF movement: I never would have guessed it was possible to have actual 100% grade A horseshit smeared all over my computer screen without ever even leaving my home.

Reply to  Menicholas
August 15, 2018 3:37 am

oh i dunno
i consider using goo…doing just that to mine;-)

K. Kilty
August 14, 2018 2:43 pm

Our engineering students who put off to the last minute an elective course in culture for their USP requirements often end up in the women’s studies course–given a little lead time I suggest other courses that are more valuable. A lot of the content of that course looks remarkably like the “points to take away” slide. One of these students who got into women’s studies just argued with the instructor all the way through the course and left the instructor with a book about “Women who make the world worse”. He still passed the course.

M Montgomery
August 14, 2018 2:47 pm

We have all these liberal mega-corporations showing their true colors as leftists. (I now lament the true liberal MIA.) So the stupid question of the day which I cannot find addressed anywhere seriously is how can conservatives create their own youtube, facebook, google, media empire and yet have it open to all? Be the shining beacon on the hill. Who can lead on this?

Reply to  M Montgomery
August 14, 2018 4:23 pm

I wondered 30 years ago, “Why don’t conservatives just buy the New York Times and Washington Post?”

Reply to  Gamecock
August 14, 2018 6:31 pm

Most conservatives can comprehend P&L statements… 😎

Gunga Din
August 14, 2018 2:48 pm

In an odd way this reminds of when Obama ran for President the first time.
There were “new” computer/game console games that came out that featured billboards and such that were Obama campaign ads.

August 14, 2018 3:24 pm

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Stephen Skinner
August 14, 2018 3:47 pm

This is from the first one:
Argumentation & Advocacy
“This essay argues that the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC) is an example of an argument actor that makes assemblage arguments to perpetuate doubt and skepticism on the climate change thesis. The concept of assemblage arguments challenges dialectical approaches to argument because it rejects the assumption that argument subjects are reasonable actors that strive to settle disputes through critical-rational argument exchange. To determine how this assemblage functions as a pragmatic argument actor, this paper offers an assemblage criticism of the NIPCC’s argument expressions. We argue that this assemblage operates within a post-dialectical framework because networks, not reasons, drive the force of arguments.”

This is a word salad, only that’s unfair as you get nutrition from a salad.
According to these bright sparks it is “networks, not reasons, drive the force of arguments”. The examples of that are the 1930 Nazis, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Chinese Revolution, Pol Pot, Jim Jones.
Interesting that the one revolution that was built on reason was the Industrial Revolution, but so what that just made the majority better off.
So if I’ve understood this correctly what they are saying is Reason is bad. According to these dangerous people the age of reason was wrong and the burning of Giordano Bruno was a good thing.
This is not good.

Patrick MJD
August 14, 2018 4:08 pm

I have been watching lots of “flat earth” videos on YouTube. I find, in this day and age, there are so many who believe the earth is flat. They can’t explain eclipses and that should be clue enough that the Earth *IS* a globe.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 14, 2018 7:43 pm

Many people don’t even know the Sun is star. I don’t mean “flyover country” or farmers or “hillbillies”. Educated people with a good salary.

Many people can’t explain the most simple phenomenons.

In some Internet discussion, someone claiming to be an highly educated liberal tried to “prove” me that (Earth isn’t flat/rockets work in vacuum/Moon landing is real/NASA is a good thing) (not sure why he made that point to ME) by using CELL phones as evidence: “the fact you can communicate via CELL phone is only because NASA put communication satellites in space”. (The guy was probably for real and not a troll. I smell them.)

I blame school!

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 15, 2018 5:09 am

When a person confronts you with an impenetrable wall of stupid, it is a declaration that reason can never prevail

August 14, 2018 4:28 pm

I think Wikipedia is great – but only when it is about uncontroversial subjects in past history. Any issue on which there is the slightest debate or disagreement will not, of course, fit into the Wikipedia paradigm. Here it is completely useless – so don’t ever consult it in such cases.

Reply to  AndyE
August 14, 2018 7:35 pm

On even the most uncontroversial computer topics, the French WP is garbage. And I was prevented for making it better because fixing stuff would have involved identify the garbage claims as garbage. Some of the worst pages even had a “good quality” tag (when even the literal application of the formal rules implied it couldn’t have one, without considering the correctness of the content).

Robert of Texas
August 14, 2018 4:50 pm

I detest government intervention and regulation…but it may be time that Google was broken up and/or regulated…it is patently biased and unfair in its treatment of published information and just has too much influence to access of content.

Threats of breaking it up “might” get their attention. How one would break it up is anyone’s guess, but certainly don’t let them own both the biggest search engine and the biggest video service. I guess one could begin taxing profits in proportion to market share (say of search results) so that as a search engine grows in influence it makes less and less profit – that would stop the growth – not very friendly to capitalism.

I have no confidence that “fair minded people” will have any impact – most people are too busy, or too unfocused, or just too stupid to care that they are being fed propaganda.

Reply to  Robert of Texas
August 14, 2018 7:32 pm

Maybe if when the monopoly of MS Windows was discussed, the “conservatives” added their voices to the left and the “free software” people to split MS, they would be more credible now.

Reply to  simple-touriste
August 15, 2018 3:41 am

well the newer pcs etc i hear are being “set” so you cant remove their system and run linux,
so the monopoly grows
as it is many have looked to alt systems myself included.
when this pc drive/fills dies ,I will be all linux

Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 15, 2018 8:28 am

As a person with experience in both electronic engineering and programing, let me add.

That can’t be done.
Reformat the disk, and any operating system can be installed on it.

Reply to  MarkW
August 15, 2018 7:01 pm

Even built-in software like the motherboard BIOS can be reset, upgraded, or replaced.

All they can really do is throw up lots of roadblocks in front of the casual users who lack the tech knowledge to circumvent them.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 15, 2018 10:02 pm

Not heard that. What is happening is that if you do want to run Windows on the latest Intel CPU’s it will run Windows 10 only. You cannot run Windows 7. Linux on the other hand I have no idea but I see no reason why it would not.

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 16, 2018 10:22 am

well, Windows 7 will be unsupported. Doesn’t necessarily mean that it won’t run if you do decide to install it on the newer boxes, just that it’ll be at your own risk. If some feature of the new CPUs doesn’t work well under Windows 7 you’d be SOL when you try to do something the uses that feature.

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
August 16, 2018 10:40 am

That said, if Microsoft really wanted to be nasty, they could slip a code change into one of the patches to the previous windows versions (like win7) that would cause it to fail when detecting the newer CPUs. But that would eventually turn into self-inflicted a PR black-eye once users figure out what happened/what patch to avoid having on your PC.

John Endicott
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 16, 2018 10:19 am

sorry ozspeakup, but you are wrong. They can certainly put up obstacles to make it more difficult to change the OS, but they can’t actually stop you from doing so. As others have pointed out, the hard disk can be wiped/reformatted and a new OS installed on it. If the BIOS somehow blocks you from doing so, you can replace the BIOS as well. You can also remove the hard disk, take it to another computer and reformat and install the OS there and then return the hard disk back to the original PC.

Reply to  simple-touriste
August 15, 2018 8:26 am

There is no MS Windows monopoly. Not even close.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
August 16, 2018 10:06 am

Depends on your definitions of what MS Windows is supposed to have a monopoly on. Since Windows is run on the vast majority of Personal Computers (90+% according to a report from a few years ago) it is colloquially referred to as a monopoly in that market segment even if it isn’t strictly a monopoly (as there is that < 10% of non-windows PCs). However, as Tablets and Smartphones have taken over many of the uses the PCs use to be used for, it's dominance in the PC world is not as a meaningful as it was even 5 years ago.

So, bottom line, while it was at one time as close to a monopoly as it's possible to get (back before tablets and smartphones) the current landscape has pretty much put an end to that overwhelming dominance.

Reply to  John Endicott
August 16, 2018 1:29 pm

Call me when smartphones are able to replace PCs.

John Endicott
Reply to  simple-touriste
August 17, 2018 9:10 am

you’re a bit late asking for that call. As already stated, many of the tasks that people use to use PCs for, they now use smartphones for. There are many people who only have smartphones and/or Tablets now who use to own PCs, so for them the PC has already been replaced.

Reply to  John Endicott
August 20, 2018 7:19 pm

Yeah. People who never used PCs for anything intelligent are now wasting their time on a smaller screen.


John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
August 16, 2018 10:08 am

Oh, and if one wants to get really pedantic, yes there is a “MS Windows monopoly” as MS Windows is controlled by one party (Microsoft) and you can only (legally) purchase MS Windows from the one party – which is the very definition of a monopoly 🙂

Reply to  John Endicott
August 16, 2018 1:28 pm

There is a monopoly because Windows is the only Windows. There is no generic Windows.

Also, thanks to the inept Supreme Court, interfaces are copyrighted too.

John Endicott
Reply to  simple-touriste
August 17, 2018 9:07 am

Ford Mustang is a monopoly because Ford’s Mustang is the only Mustang, there is no generic Mustang. Beyond pedantry, it sounds like nonsense doesn’t it? That’s because it is, yet that’s exactly the nonsense you just stated in regard to Windows (as I said, in my previous post, one could make a argument for windows being a monopoly as an exercise in pedantry, not in any real sense in the current marketplace)

Windows is an OS. There are alternative OSes to Windows. Even ones that behave similar to how MS Windows does. Just as there are other cars (even in the narrow class of sports cars) beside the Ford Mustang. The competition does not have to be exactly *identical* products to be competition, they just have to be *comparable* products.

Reply to  John Endicott
August 20, 2018 7:20 pm

“there is no generic Mustang”

I have no idea what you are trying to say. What the hell is a generic Mustang, if not a car with same speed, type of fuel, and payload?

“they just have to be *comparable* products.”

A comparable product is one that runs on the same computer, same drivers, same programs. LOL

John Endicott
Reply to  simple-touriste
August 17, 2018 9:26 am

If the competition that tablets and smartphones have brought to the industry hadn’t of made MS Windows less relevant, you post would be more credible now. The fact is that Windows isn’t the powerhouse player it use to be thanks to simple free-market competition. No government interference was necessary.

Bob Greene
August 14, 2018 4:53 pm

Excellent article, Dave.

August 14, 2018 6:32 pm

“Flat Earth”, while having one or two actual believers I’m sure, is a trolling exercise in identifying those who lack critical thinking skills. With the added benefit of demonstrating how all beliefs are pretty much faith based. It can be a fun exercise if you’re into that sort of thing. Verifying what you think you know I mean..

Reply to  Mat
August 14, 2018 7:26 pm

“NASA faked the Moon landing” is fun too.

1) Most “arguments” used to say that success of the Apollo mission was unlikely work AGAINST the faking.
2) Many in the comment section reply to absurd claims with equally absurd claims to “prove” the Moon landing.

In the end, some people who make videos debunking the “Apollo missions were faked” are revealed as exactly as inept as those who do the videos claiming “Apollo missions were faked”. This is very weird. Or maybe not. Most people are quite stupid. As in, intolerably stupid. You can have travel illness (the unbalance issue) just by listening to their chaotic attempts at “proving” something.

The problem is that codes of ethics imply that you show respect to other people in your field EVEN IF THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANY.

Calling a professional a buffoon is considered unprofessional. You can’t do it.

Also, you can’t be elected if you badmouth respected people. True story. Well, used to be.

Reply to  simple-touriste
August 15, 2018 8:30 am

The MythBusters did a pretty good episode refuting a lot of the “faked” arguments.

Scott Bennett
Reply to  MarkW
August 17, 2018 6:56 am

The thing that struck me, was that NASA had a room full of real space suits but wouldn’t lend one to MythBusters. They had to make their own. The devil really is in the detail! ;-(

August 14, 2018 7:13 pm

School doesn’t select those who think it selects those who fit in a crowd and say the same things.


Tom Swift
August 14, 2018 7:59 pm

Yeah – I just viewed the video from central FL and the Wikipedia box was there. I didn’t get a recommendation for a flat earth video but there was a link to a TED talk video about ocean acidification. Typical.

August 15, 2018 12:24 am

Youtube is free to destroy its credibility as an open platform. People who want alternative view points will just go somewhere else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P59KGR7JUvA

August 15, 2018 2:22 am

All this is Hitlers fault. He set such an example that the world was left wide open to be taken over by left wing idiots who write drivel such as “feminist post-dialectical assemblage criticism of science as a racist, colonialist social construct,””

Reply to  MattS
August 15, 2018 4:41 am

Calvin, John Calvin. Also that Luther guy …

/mild s

August 15, 2018 10:20 am

This propaganda technique is not new. It has been around since at least the 1980s and became established in the 1990s as internet use grew. Just as when we didn’t fix our educational system after two major 1980 reports told us it was horrible neither have we pushed back hard enough on political correctness. The political correct Gestapo certainly push back at anyone with common senses, traditional values or daring to challenge the orthodoxy.

Once I literally had an ax murder working for my division. My first day on the job, as I sat down at my new desk I was told one of our work units had all gone home. A woman who had chopped her husband up with an ax and was out on probation, so long as she remained on her meds per a feminist judge, had come to work and announced she no longer needed her medications. Staff had worked with the woman prior to her ax murdering and she had been previously violent at work. I called our very liberal office of personnel. They told me I could do nothing, ordered me to take no further action and to talk to no one about it because the woman was protected by law due her “medical” ailment. I called the sheriff. Personnel called me back demanding to know why I called the sheriff. I got rather rude with our personnel bureau chief. While I called her no names she called me a misogynist and a fascists among other things. She wrote a long letter to the department secretary demanding I be fired because I had invaded the ax murder’s rights. I got slammed by anonymous emails and I am told also on several blogs I never bothered to read. The push back against me by segments of our very liberal staff even astounded me. In the end the personnel office was shrunk to a ghost of its former self and the ax murder incident was used as one of the reasons. Apparently it had not been the first time the office had given bad advice and even orders based strictly on political correct advice when a work unit was faced with the potential workplace violence.

August 15, 2018 3:43 pm

It will not be long until ad blockers will figure out a way to remove those embellishments.

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