Republican Congressman Carlos Curbelo Introduces Carbon Tax Legislation

Carlos Curbelo
Carlos Curbelo, U.S. Republican representative for Florida’s 26th congressional district

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

At least one Republican congressman believes the USA needs more taxes. Carlos Curbelo, U.S. representative for Florida’s 26th congressional district has introduced legislation to charge $24 / ton for CO2 starting in 2020.

Curbelo Receives Praise for Leadership on Market Choice Act to Address Climate Change

Washington, D.C., July 25, 2018 | Joanna Rodriguez (202-225-2778)

Representative Carlos Curbelo (FL-26), sponsor of H.R. 6463, “The Market Choice Act,” welcomed support of his efforts to move forward a market-based approach to valuing carbon from 34 diverse companies representing a wide cross section of the U.S. economy.

“I appreciate all the messages of encouragement in response to the Market Choice Act filed earlier this week,” Curbelo said. “This new and innovative solution invests in American infrastructure, accelerates the transition to clean energy, repeals discriminatory taxes, and provides regulatory relief and stability that shows protecting our environment and strengthening the economy are not mutually exclusive. I look forward to the continued discussion around this proposal and thank all those offering support and adding to the constructive dialogue this bill has begun.”

“We welcome your demonstrated commitment to finding common ground on federal policies that can mitigate the effects of climate change,” the business leaders wrote in a letter to Curbelo and original co-sponsor Representative Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-8). “Your recently introduced legislation, the MARKET CHOICE Act (H.R. 6463), represents an opportunity for both parties to engage in substantive dialogue on the risks and opportunities posed by climate change, and to craft legislative solutions that benefit citizens in many different areas of the United States.”

The letter was signed by: Aspen Skiing Company, BP America, Burton Snowboards, Calpine Corporation, Campbell Soup Company, Clif Bar & Company, Danone North America, DSM North America, The Dow Chemical Company, DTE Energy, DuPont, EDP Renováveis, Equinor US Gap Inc., General Motors, IKEA North America Services, LLC, Ingersoll Rand, JLL Levi Strauss & Co., Lyft, Inc., Mars Incorporated, National Grid, New Belgium Brewing Company, Outdoor Industry Association, PG&E Corporation, Schneider Electric, Seventh Generation Shell, Sierra Nevada Brewing Co., Stonyfield Farm, Inc., Symantec Corporation Unilever, Vail Resorts, and Worthen Industries.

Environmental and energy groups across the political spectrum also praised Curbelo’s effort. Curbelo announced the introduction of H.R. 6463, the Modernizing America with Rebuilding to Kick-start the Economy of the Twenty-first Century with a Historic Infrastructure-Centered Expansion Market Choice Act at an event with Columbia University Center for Global Energy Policy on Monday. According to an analysis by Columbia University, Curbelo’s proposal would reduce carbon emissions by 27–32 percent in net greenhouse gas emissions levels by 2025 and 30–40 percent by 2030. The analysis also suggests the proposal would have little economic disruption, and that lowest-income households benefit from the proposal with 10% of revenues being used for transfers/dividends to offset higher energy prices.

A PDF of the legislation is available here and a legislative memo outlining the policies in the bill is available here.

A PDF of the letter is available here and the text of the letter is available below.

July 25, 2018
The Honorable Carlos Curbelo
The United States House of Representatives
1404 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Representative Curbelo,

As businesses that understand the critical nexus between environmental and economic interests and strongly support a collaborative, non-partisan solution to address climate change, we write to thank you for your leadership in advancing a constructive dialogue. This issue impacts our employees, our customers and the communities that we serve regardless of political affiliation—and of course, it impacts our businesses in very direct ways.

We believe that an economy-wide, market-based approach to valuing or pricing carbon, when carefully crafted, can both strengthen our economy and reduce carbon emissions by encouraging technological innovation and stimulating new investments in infrastructure, products, and services. A market-based approach provides companies, such as ours, with much-needed certainty to aid us in making long-term investment decisions that can further mitigate climate-related risks for our companies, supply chains, and the communities in which we live and work.

We welcome your demonstrated commitment to finding common ground on federal policies that can mitigate the effects of climate change. Your recently introduced legislation, the MARKET CHOICE Act (H.R. 6463), represents an opportunity for both parties to engage in substantive dialogue on the risks and opportunities posed by climate change, and to craft legislative solutions that benefit citizens in many different areas of the United States.

While we are not endorsing H.R. 6463, we appreciate your thoughtfulness, as a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, in introducing market-based legislation that will drive a robust, non-partisan dialogue on how valuing or pricing carbon and strengthening the economy are not mutually exclusive – something we, as businesses, have understood for many years.

Thank you again for your leadership and we look forward to constructive conversation with you and other Members of Congress on policy solutions to address climate change.

CC: The Honorable Brian Fitzpatrick

Source: https://curbelo.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2103

This move does not appear to be representative of the Republican Party’s position as a whole. Reuters reports that Last week, the House voted 229-180 to approve a resolution expressing “the sense of Congress that a carbon tax would be detrimental to the United States economy.”

Nevertheless in my opinion this unfortunate move demonstrates that even Republican politicians are not immune to the lure of toxic tax ideas.

Taxes aimed at encouraging renewables have no hope of improving people’s lives. Legislation which unnecessarily drives up the price of energy almost always ends with voters rejecting the politicians who caused the pain – as just happened in Ontario.

The only genuinely viable alternative to fossil fuels is nuclear power. The evidence that renewables are useless is incontrovertible – even über green Google Corporation’s top engineers could not find an economically viable roadmap for the world to transition to renewables.

In voting districts where green policy support is strong, support for a carbon tax might be good for a quick political victory, but once voters discover there is no hope of renewables bringing energy prices down they tend to turn against the politicians who made their lives more difficult.

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R. Shearer
July 25, 2018 7:08 pm

RINO

commieBob
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 25, 2018 7:44 pm

Is this the kind of beast you’re talking about?

hanelyp
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 25, 2018 8:15 pm

A reminder, RINO season is during the primaries, not in the general election when it would make room for more donkeys.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  hanelyp
July 26, 2018 7:21 am

Unfortunately, Curbelo’s Republican challenger is Souraya Faas a pro-Assad pro-Putin nutter.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article212255584.html
It seems we’re stuck with this MeToo RINO for another 2 years.

John V Wright
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 25, 2018 11:01 pm

We have exactly the same problem in the U.K. except here they are called Tinos (Tories In Name Only). Tory is another name for Conservative. There are currently millions of people disenfranchised here because we do not have a party of the Right to vote for. The Tories are led by Theresa May, a nodding dog non-entity of a politician and a disaster as Prime Minister. She and her fellow MPs are utterly ignorant about climate change science.

Meanwhile, that leftist organisation the BBC – where it is official editorial policy NOT to present balanced content about global warming – continues to misinform the public (this is the state broadcaster). Yesterday, this was a typical item on Today, the BBC’s flagship radio news and current affairs programme:

Justin Webb (presenter and profoundly ignorant on climate science): “Now these heat waves in the U.K., Asia, Japan and elsewhere are indicative of global warming aren’t they?”.
Some idiot (forgot his name) ‘climate expert’: “Yes they are”
Webb: “But if we had long spells of very cold weather next year, say, that would not mean that things were going the other way would it?”
Climate expert: “No it wouldn’t because this is all about long term trends”

My wife had to pull me away from the radio as I was bawling “The long term trend is the next glaciation period with ice 2kms deep over New York!!!”

HotScot
Reply to  John V Wright
July 26, 2018 2:03 am

John V Wright

There is another right wing party, the UK Libertarian Party. Small but promoting the right ideas. Small government, low taxes, freedom of expression, a free market economy, and the rule of law.

And the BBC’s Roger Harrabin today with a prominent article on their website predicting all the deaths causes by the inevitable future heat waves. We get one decent summer in goodness knows how long, all of a sudden it’s climate change and impending doom.

Cwon14
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 26, 2018 12:29 am

That simple really.

There’s an equivalent group of “skeptics” who swallow 90% of Greenshirt framing of the AGW premise as rational and have some nuanced resistance points but are basically Green enablers. They are as much to blame for the creeping social rot AGW agenda as the campus hipster on soap boxes blathering Marx and Engels under the “about science” logo.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 26, 2018 3:11 am

In Australia, LINOs Liberals In Name Only.

They are characterised by being scared of the left and pandering to them to ensure a comfortable existence.

Latitude
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 26, 2018 7:40 am

South florida is home to the RINO’s….Carlos is up for reelection and campaigning on ending the opioid crises

Reply to  R. Shearer
July 26, 2018 11:16 am

Please do not insult those noble beasts, via any association with carbon-tax dementia.

simple-touriste
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 26, 2018 9:54 pm

How many will vote to impeach should answer the question.

ThomasJK
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 27, 2018 11:30 am

“RINO” is a severely debilitating communicable disease that once contracted renders one helpless and hopeless. It’s symptoms are an abiding belief in governments having extensive, virtually unlimited powers, just about all of which are imaginary and supernatural.

simple-touriste
Reply to  R. Shearer
July 30, 2018 1:33 am

Seeing there wasn’t even a vote on impeachment, I conclude that almost all repubs are phony.

pat
July 25, 2018 7:15 pm

Moron. He wishes to continue one hoax by perpetrating another, carbon taxes. Further, the down steam fraud is enormous. “Buy these credits for my tree farm in the Congo, and I will throw in another 1,000 hectares. “

Spuds
Reply to  pat
July 25, 2018 8:24 pm

And in the Congo they are putting poor folks live’s in danger (especially children) by mining for cobalt in makeshift excavations that have been lnown known to collaspe and killing many. WaPo (to their credit) did an excellent story on the exploitation of these kids just to satisfy some greenie’s virtuous signaling. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Spuds
July 26, 2018 12:04 pm

They are doing the same thing mining lithium rich soil to feed the electric car craze. Not a single Democrat globalist cares as long as it’s not in their neighborhood. Picture a 5-year old standing barefoot in soil rich enough in lithium to mine. Not one Democrat cares about this while kids crossing the border are to be handed over to people claiming to be relatives without proof. Kids don’t matter when they are racing to destroy America. Of course, Americans don’t matter either.

rocketscientist
Reply to  pat
July 25, 2018 8:25 pm

I call it a tax on “hot air”

Reply to  pat
July 26, 2018 12:54 am

Let’s see if this survives censorship: a carbon tax adjusted for the actual temperature and sea level change measured in the USA over the previous ten years can work better than the mess of subsidies, mandates, and fuel efficiency standards used over the years.

The key is to a) eliminate subsidies, and b) return the money collected to tax payers sending a quarterly check to each individual taxpayer. This will encourage energy efficiency, improve energy security, and get rid of the mess of regulations and subsidies which seem to pileup year after year.

Schitzree
Reply to  Fernando L
July 26, 2018 4:15 am

Not sure why Fernando would be worried about censorship, unless he means getting downvoted. 😉

As for his idea, I don’t trust The Gatekeepers in charge of the thermometers right now. I really wouldn’t after they start getting paid a tax for how much temperature goes up.

Also, these ‘pay it back to the Taxpayer’ ideas are kind of stupid. They usually just result in such a large increase in the bureaucracy that they cost more then the supposed payout.

~¿~

MarkW
Reply to  Schitzree
July 26, 2018 6:37 am

Schitzree, it’s a form of projection. He knows that given the chance he would censor anyone who disagrees with him, so he assumes that everyone else would.

a_scientist
Reply to  MarkW
July 26, 2018 3:30 pm

Censor…hmm, he must be going to the RealClimate or Tamino’s web site a lot…
They are the ones that cannot stand any dissent from their party line.

…you won’t find that at WUWT

MarkW
Reply to  Fernando L
July 26, 2018 6:36 am

Price already promotes efficiency.
No need to increase the price to solve a problem that never existed.

dayhay
Reply to  Fernando L
July 26, 2018 8:28 am

Fernando, please provide your data that ANY reduction in USA output of CO2 would cause the temperature to do down. Down where? Down how much? Do you also have proof of the other temperature excursions throughout the Holocene? Please publish. My state produces 0.7 percent of the USA output of CO2, how much of my money would you like? The whole scheme does not make sense, because it will never affect temperature!! Why don’t folks get that? Don’t help us get to the next glacial period please.

eck
July 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Just goes to show, ignorance knows no political boundaries. What an ill-informed Bozo.

Lark
Reply to  eck
July 26, 2018 12:05 am

I would say he’s angling for campaign contributions from the sort of companies on that list of supporters: cronyists and virtue-signallers. There are trillions of dollars in just the global-warming part of the Socialist scam; he wants his share.

Gunga Din
July 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Part of his district is Miami-Dade county?
He sounds like a “hanging chad”.

Warren
July 25, 2018 7:29 pm

Trump needs this idiot like a hole in the head!

rocketscientist
Reply to  Warren
July 25, 2018 8:27 pm

The Russian idiom for that expression is:
“I need that like I need teeth in my a$$hole.”

David Paul Zimmerman
July 25, 2018 7:31 pm

Fine with a tax on carbon. A long as its only way to be spent is on construction of new nuclear fission reactors for electricity generation. I am still waiting on “power so cheap it would be nonsense to charge for it”.

Warren
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
July 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Could easily be the case; particularly in Australia.
Per capita we have more uranium, coal and gas than any other country.
Current coal power stations can generate electricity for under 1c per kW.h
Electricity should be free up to x-kW.h per month.
Instead Australia now has the dearest electricity in the World (ex Tax).
Our electricity retailers spend millions per day on advertising and commissions.
Coal stations are hit with massive renewables levies.
The electricity network operators are fleecing us via the retailers.
Asians own the majority of the entities we source our electricity from (in Eastern Mel):
Pacific Hydro = 100% communist China Gov owned!
Energy Australia = Hong Kong CLP Group.
AusNet Services (poles & wires) = 20% communist China Gov owned! 31% Singapore Power.

hanelyp
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
July 25, 2018 8:19 pm

The old promise was “too cheep to meter”. There’d still be a service charge, like is common for home Internet access. That promise was also made before modern network tech which would make the cost of metering much less than it was.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
July 25, 2018 10:13 pm

A carbon tax just increases inflation for nothing which always hurts the poor. Much better is relaxing the regulations and let private industry build those nuclear plants like China is doing.

MarkW
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
July 26, 2018 6:40 am

When you raise the price of one thing, people have less money to spend on other things. As a result the demand and hence price of those other things fall.
Some things up, some things down, the result is no net inflation.
The only way to cause inflation is by expanding the money supply faster than the supply of goods.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
July 26, 2018 7:26 am

Curbelo’s district already gets nearly a quarter of its electrical power from the Turkey Point nuclear plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Power_%26_Light

_Jim
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
July 29, 2018 9:35 am

Going forward, nuclear fission reactors for electricity generation do not, I repeat, do NOT seem to be the _only_ answer given progress in the research on alternative fuels … NOTE WELL I did not say “alternate energy sources” e.g. wind or solar (sol) nor did I mean fusion, LENR or otherwise.

George Daddis
July 25, 2018 7:31 pm

In contrast to the Dems trying to hold on in a Red state, here we have a GOP candidate trying to tip toe across the aisle to garner progressive votes.
I hope the effort has more negative than positive impacts for this politician.

Joel Snider
Reply to  George Daddis
July 26, 2018 10:35 am

Too many of these modern Republicans are simply bean-counters trying to pay for the progressive agenda.

TonyL
July 25, 2018 8:08 pm

We often want to see craven idiots like this get torpedoed and blown out of the water in the next election. Unfortunately, their replacement is a Dem. and is far worse in every way.
You have to Primary them, and win, or you are stuck with them.

Tom Dayton
July 25, 2018 8:10 pm

It’s a Pigovian tax, all of whose proceeds are returned to the populace as individuals, minus a trivial amount to pay for the processing. So it is not a “tax” in the usual sense, which is why many people refer to it by other names such as “fee and dividend,” to avoid confusion.

MarkG
Reply to  Tom Dayton
July 25, 2018 9:02 pm

It’s wealth redistribution, like every other tax.

Schitzree
Reply to  Tom Dayton
July 26, 2018 6:17 am

If you really believe that the amount that will be spent monitoring, administrating, and managing this tax will be ‘trivial’, then you don’t know how State Governments operate.

~¿~

MarkW
Reply to  Schitzree
July 26, 2018 6:41 am

Not just state government, but all governments.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Tom Dayton
July 26, 2018 6:21 am

Tom Dayton: “minus a trivial amount to pay for the processing”

The budget for the IRS is ‘trivial’?

Every government financial transaction needs to be monitored with checks and balances lest they be fraught with fraud. That’s every transaction, whether it be the government receiving or dispersing funds. I consider the cost of that monitoring to be non-trivial.

MarkW
Reply to  Thomas Homer
July 26, 2018 8:28 am

The collection side of this would be easier than that faced by the IRS. Add the tax at the refineries and power plants.
The distribution side is going to be a nightmare.
The IRS merely sends the refund to the address listed on the tax forms.
For this tax, the government will have to maintain a list of every person who is currently in the country legally and their current address and perhaps other contact information.

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  Tom Dayton
July 26, 2018 5:23 pm

Yes, but it’s a fundamentally flawed Coasian “solution” because it has Keynesian knowledge conceit at its core. In order for the tax to not be distortionary (since the whole purpose is to correct for supposed externalities), you have to know EXACTLY what the cost of the externality is. And even better, this has to be a NET cost. If that CO2 “pollution” costs you $20 in sea level rise but provides you $25 in food cost reduction, then you don’t get to claim the $20 tort.

There is no way to know this, or to even come close.

F. Ross
July 25, 2018 8:16 pm

To be blunt… what a jerk!
Needs to be voted out of office ASAP.

Reply to  F. Ross
July 25, 2018 9:17 pm

Except the problem is, barring some kind of miracle regarding his primary election opponent, this won’t happen in the primary, and a Democrat in the general election would only go harder left. https://ballotpedia.org/Florida%27s_26th_Congressional_District_election,_2018

Spuds
July 25, 2018 8:17 pm

What tomfoolery this is. This isjust another regurgitation of the Carbon Exchange from a decade ago and it was a failure. If this gentleman is serious about protecting the environmnet then he would advocate for improvements in our existing infrastructure and promote the re-use of wastewater and other energy derived from digesters and landfills. Anyone who is familiar with Miami-Dade County knows that overdevelopment is one of the key sources of wasting their energy and resources.

SAMURAI
July 25, 2018 8:22 pm

Disgusting virtue signaling from anther vapid RINO…

#walkaway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pjs7uoOkag

CAGW is dead…

sycomputing
July 25, 2018 8:25 pm

“The Honorable Carlos Curbelo…”

Once you contradict yourself, why should I read further?

Johnny Cuyana
July 25, 2018 8:50 pm

My working model is that 90%+ of ALL Congressman — particularly those on the Left and the RINOs — are political whores; where, for a price, these Judases will sell down the river their morals and their constituents.

Following this model, my suspicion is that Curbelo is not doing this on his own; that he is not stupid/ignorant regarding such moronic legislation; rather, that, from some BIG DOLLAR special interest group, he is being PAID-OFF to sponsor this particular “screw-America” bill. If indeed true, I would not be at all surprised if this same special interest group is actually WRITING the specific legislative text.

IOW: THIS CLOWN IS JUST PART AND PARCEL OF THE DC SWAMP … where, as usual, the JOKE is on us, the middle-class taxpayer.

These Judases continue to do such things because they know that most Americans are so ignorant that, for them, there is almost no downside and that, with a few more pranks like this, their reelection is almost guaranteed.

PS: The corollary to my model is that if these representatives are not screaming, 24-7, about the rapacious DC corruption — and, they are not —then it’s almost a certainty that they have sold out to the big dollar lobbyists … and are part of the DC problem.

Davis
July 25, 2018 8:57 pm

Governments as a rule, just want to collect more and more taxes. They are the legalized mafia, nothing gets done without them getting their cut of the money.

Robertvd
Reply to  Davis
July 26, 2018 12:51 am

Governments as a rule, just want to grow bigger and bigger like a cancer.

MarkW
Reply to  Robertvd
July 26, 2018 6:44 am

All bureaucracies want to grow bigger.
In the private sector, companies that can’t control their bureaucracies will be out competed by those that can.
In government, competition is illegal and the bureaucracy has the power to compel others to support it no matter how inefficient it gets.

Robertvd
Reply to  Davis
July 26, 2018 12:52 am

Since the enactment of the private federal reserve in 1913 government (R & D) has been ruled (corrupted) by those who print the money and not by We The People.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
July 26, 2018 12:56 am

The swamp. That’s why elections don’t change a thing.

MarkW
Reply to  Robertvd
July 26, 2018 6:44 am

Paranoia, it isn’t pretty.

Outside the square
July 25, 2018 9:07 pm

We have another saying in Australia “ the longest economic suicide note”

eyesonu
July 25, 2018 9:08 pm

Those companies endorsing the letter? Well I’ll keep them in mind beginning now. There is more than one brand of soup, fuel, chemical based products, etc.

RACookPE1978
Editor
July 25, 2018 9:15 pm

Peter will always for Paul to pay more taxes … that will be given to Peter. Any claims thta this will end up a revenue-nuetral, evenly and equitably distributed system can look at how the Social security system revenue was used, misused, and abused starting with the democrats in the 60’s when they saw all that money not being spent by them on their voters.

And a supposed graduate student in economics – who can’t get any better job than a part-time bartender in NYC – is now the national press corpse’s latest darling.

The sponsors of the “letter” are not earning their income in Florida.

The letter was signed by:
Aspen Skiing Company,
BP America,
Burton Snowboards,
Calpine Corporation,
Campbell Soup Company,
Clif Bar & Company,
Danone North America,
DSM North America,
The Dow Chemical Company,
DTE Energy, DuPont,
EDP Renováveis,
Equinor US Gap Inc.,
General Motors,
IKEA North America Services, LLC,
Ingersoll Rand,
JLL Levi Strauss & Co.,
Lyft, Inc.,
Mars Incorporated,
National Grid,
New Belgium Brewing Company,
Outdoor Industry Association,
PG&E Corporation,
Schneider Electric,
Seventh Generation Shell,
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.,
Stonyfield Farm, Inc.,
Symantec Corporation Unilever,
Vail Resorts, and
Worthen Industries.

Amber
July 25, 2018 9:25 pm

The carbon tax will be DOA . But by all means Democrats put increased taxes out as the November election rolls around .
Then trot out the NY Communists as the new face of Democrats .
Game over . Go Bernie go !
The Democrat Plantation is about to implode .

Juan
July 25, 2018 9:46 pm

How much Soros cash?

Alan Tomalty
July 25, 2018 10:09 pm

“strengthening the economy”

This guy is an idiot.

Joel O’Bryam
July 25, 2018 10:18 pm

Argues strongly for Term limits.
House: 5 and done. (10 years)
Senate: 2 and done. (12 years).
Time for a Constitutional amendment.

An AZ Republican (CD2).
– .Joel

drednicolson
Reply to  Joel O’Bryam
July 26, 2018 4:32 am

Term limits would probably just mean the incumbents groom their successors sooner.

Snarling Dolphin
Reply to  Joel O’Bryam
July 26, 2018 6:17 am

I prefer voir dire for Congress. Every 2 years, opposing parties get 3 peremptory challenges each for House members, and 1 for a Senator. No explanations required, just a vote tally and they’re gone. Banned from all future politics and lobbying. And as for the states deprived of representation in this manner, try harder to find someone more suitable.

MarkW
Reply to  Snarling Dolphin
July 26, 2018 6:46 am

Given the nature of politics, both parties would strike the best of the other side, not the worst.

EDIT: Perhaps we could change this around a bit, and instead of striking the other sides players, the parties get to strike their own? Also make striking mandatory, you don’t get to decide not to this year.

drednicolson
Reply to  MarkW
July 26, 2018 7:16 am

Just like pick/ban in high-level DotA or League of Legends. Games often become battles of everyone’s third-best characters. 😐

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Snarling Dolphin
July 26, 2018 7:12 am

How about we make voters who accept federal welfare recuse themselves so they can’t vote themselves OPM.

Tom n Florida
Reply to  Joel O’Bryam
July 26, 2018 7:10 am

Joel,
We don’t even have to do that. We simply repeal the 17th Amendment and make Senators go back to being appointed by the State legislatures, as was originally in the Constitution. It is the Senate that has clogged things up by inaction. The threat of being booted out after 6 years because you do not represent what is best for your State would be incentive enough to get them off their keisters.

James Beaver
Reply to  Tom n Florida
July 26, 2018 8:27 am

Yes! Before the 17th Amendment was ratified, State Legislations could yank a federal Senator back and replace them mid-term. I don’t know if it was ever used, but the risk ensured that Senators represented their State as directed by the State Legislators.

drednicolson
Reply to  James Beaver
July 27, 2018 9:37 am

And you wouldn’t have the possible odd couple situation of a state legislature with a majority in one party, and the Senators of another party.

bwegher
July 25, 2018 10:51 pm

There is something fishy here. The guy is a under 40 never-Trumper. His is not a lawyer. His 2016 election platform does not mention anything directly about environmental issues or global warming. This is some kind of back door deal or favor for some ex-business partner, or manipulation, triangulation or something he wants in his history. Someone needs to ask him why, in his own words, he wants to been seen as a tax increaser. Or why he wants to tax cheap energy, or air.

WR2
July 25, 2018 10:54 pm

What a maroon.

July 25, 2018 11:24 pm

IF CO2 was the issue it is claimed to be THEN taxing CO2 would have been a hugely better way to reduce it than subsidising ‘Renewables’ and would have led directly to all-nuclear electricity grids.

Coal is about 1kg CO2 per KWh (thermal) so that tax would add – at say a 30% conversions rate – around 0.8c per electricity unit..

That’s a nice amount when raw costs are around the 5-8c mark.

Mind you CO2 is worth about $40/tonne as an industrial gas…

John Mason
July 26, 2018 12:22 am

And all the overheads at all levels of implementing this tax are what???

That price per carbon all of a sudden becomes a windfall to bigger, more expensive government as well as a huge cost to implement and track on the business side.

At all to support a religion. What happened to no government establishment of religion? Need to gut out the climate religion from government completely.

Alexander Vissers
July 26, 2018 1:21 am

Carbon tax = all problems solved, planet saved.

Flight Level
July 26, 2018 2:42 am

Please, would you help my checklist ?

-We are told green energies are clean.
-We are told green energies are infinite.
-We are told green energies are dirt cheap.
-We are told to purchase expensive energy saving devices and junk all the rest.
-We are incited to energy poverty by all sorts of taxes.
-We have to spend more and more to save on something clean, of infinite supply and dirt cheap.

What kind of fuel are we supposed to smoke to make it happen ?

Robertvd
July 26, 2018 3:13 am

How do more taxes ‘benefit citizens in many different areas’ ?

WXcycles
July 26, 2018 3:13 am

OT: Japan’s wet summer continues.

Central and southern Japan are in for high rainfall again this weekend a Typhoon is headed towards southern Tokyo area:

https://www.windy.com/?clouds,2018-07-28-03,35.675,138.691,3,i:pressure

Track map, Cat 3 projected:

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And this Isn’t going to help either, lots of hot water to tap for moisture, SST:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-222.01,36.63,603

SAMURAI
Reply to  WXcycles
July 26, 2018 4:40 am

The rain, mudslides, and floods in Western Japan have been devasting this year with over 200 lives lost.

I live on a beach in Central-East Japan (Kanto), which has had normal rainfall with exceptionally hot temps for many weeks.

From recent satellite data, it looks like my family and I will be hit by a medium-sized typhoon this weekend, so things are about to get interesting.

Surf’s up!

Editor
July 26, 2018 4:29 am

Yes, this is just what is needed! The US is far too competitive on the world markets due to your absurdly cheap energy. You need to shackle both legs and an arm in order that your European competitors- who have numerous green taxes- can compete on a level high cost playing field.

US gas at 12 Dollars a gallon should be the next step. The greens won’t mind.

old construction worker
July 26, 2018 5:02 am

‘The analysis also suggests the proposal would have little economic disruption, and that lowest-income ‘households benefit from the proposal with 10% of revenues being used for transfers/dividends to offset higher energy prices.’ Oh good, just what we need another hidden tax system with a 10% redistribution of wealth going to the “the Poor”. The rich can and will absorb their rise in energy prices. The hardest hit: The working poor, elderly on fixed income, and the middle class. But it wont stop with just an increase in energy prices, consumer goods and services. The government will use that tax to pick winner and loser.

drednicolson
Reply to  old construction worker
July 26, 2018 7:27 am

My analysis suggests the representative from Florida needs a major podiatric disruption of his dorsal extremities.

(A kick in the arse.)

Dave O.
July 26, 2018 5:50 am

Why is **MORE TAXES** considered a market based approach?

drednicolson
Reply to  Dave O.
July 26, 2018 7:24 am

Only in the Bizarro World of so-called progressives and their RINO fellow travelers.

Also, textbook Orwellian doublespeak.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave O.
July 26, 2018 8:32 am

Theoretically, it’s less disruptive than direct government regulations.

ATheoK
July 26, 2018 6:05 am

“Representative Carlos Curbelo (FL-26), sponsor of H.R. 6463, “The Market Choice Act,” welcomed support of his efforts to move forward a market-based approach to valuing carbon from 34 diverse companies representing a wide cross section of the U.S. economy.”

Another amazing piece of government doublespeak, where government mandated laws that force carbon value evaluation, is described falsely as “market based approach”

From the proposed legislation:

“Today, Representative Carlos Curbelo (FL-26), co-chair and co-founder of the House Climate Solutions Caucus, joined the Columbia University Center for Global Energy Policy to discuss the introduction of his new legislation to fight carbon emission and fund infrastructure.

H.R. 6463, the Modernizing America with Rebuilding to Kick-start the Economy of the Twenty-first Century with a Historic Infrastructure-Centered Expansion Act, or the MARKET CHOICE Act, would:

· Set the United States on a path to reduce carbon emissions and not only fulfill, but exceed the commitments set out under the Paris agreement;

· Raise much-needed revenue to modernize our national infrastructure – a bipartisan priority that remains elusive without a new influx of revenue – by providing an additional $285 billion for the Highway Trust Fund and $18 billion for the Airways Trust Fund;

· Eliminate regressive, inefficient and discriminatory taxes like the gasoline tax and the aviation fuel tax to promote equitable treatment for Americans driving traditional cars and ensures all Americans are contributing their fair share to our country’s infrastructure needs;

· Create long-term regulation stability by establishing a moratorium on the EPA from finalizing and enforcing Clean Air Act regulations on greenhouse gas emissions – thus providing much-needed regulatory certainty for utilities and businesses and limiting economic repercussions of additional regulations;

· Hold trade partners accountable by way of a border tax adjustment, protecting American exporters competitiveness abroad; and

· Protect lower income Americans from higher utility bills and assist displaced workers.

Many of the current buzz words in play since the Trump Administration initiated regulatory reduction and business support in America, most of Curbelo’s phrases are absurd in one context or another.

Besides mandating a carbon market that has been proven by earlier attempts, to foster carbon exchange fraud and moving direct fossil fuel usage taxes to a much larger tax burden upon every person in America; “Raise much-needed revenue to modernize our national infrastructure – a bipartisan priority that remains elusive without a new influx of revenue – by providing an additional $285 billion for the Highway Trust Fund and $18 billion for the Airways Trust Fund”
i.e. Tax every thing used by every person in America to fund alleged infrastructure projects. e.g. Road and bridge construction where copious amounts of concrete are used, emitting large quantities of CO₂ thus requiring higher taxes to fund the carbon exchange market…
Just the type of action designed to thrill greedy shallow politicians, labor unions and scammers.

2) i.e. tax all persons in America to fund infrastructure they do not use, or rarely use: e.g. “Airways Trust Fund”; a fund for airport infrastructure.

e.g. “Eliminate regressive, inefficient and discriminatory taxes like the gasoline tax and the aviation fuel tax to promote equitable treatment for Americans driving traditional cars and ensures all Americans are contributing their fair share to our country’s infrastructure needs”.
* “Their fair share”, words from politicians that frighten ever self aware person on Earth.
* “promote equitable treatment for Americans driving traditional cars”, again, politician words to frighten working folks. N.B. the Congressman’s allegedly eliminating gasoline taxes, but instead hides fuel taxes by immersing those taxes deep inside a massive fake carbon market tax burden on everything in America.

3) “Create long-term regulation stability by establishing a moratorium on the EPA from finalizing and enforcing Clean Air Act regulations on greenhouse gas emissions – thus providing much-needed regulatory certainty for utilities and businesses and limiting economic repercussions of additional regulations ”

N.B. Use of the word “moratorium”, meaning temporary.
N.B. 2: “providing much needed certainty”, whatever that means, besides taxing everybody and everything.
N.B. 3: “limiting economic repercussions of additional regulations”, more politician words that should raise sentient’s hackles across America.

4) “Protect lower income Americans from higher utility bills and assist displaced workers ”

Introduces socialist “spread the wealth” falsehood while taxing everyone heavily.

Curbelo proposes:
· Massive taxes on everyone
· Larger government necessary to track, collect, evaluate, prosecute, allocate the new tax
· Socialist spread the wealth claim in line with EU plans
· Protects current EPA regulatory expansions through a temporary moratorium
· Disguises government mandate as “market based”

Curbelo is a RINO, i.e. Republican In Name Only.

Robertvd
Reply to  ATheoK
July 26, 2018 10:10 am

He is a puppet like all progressives. A sound economy needs less government not more.

kramer
Reply to  ATheoK
July 26, 2018 11:20 am

“Raise much-needed revenue to modernize our national infrastructure”

Yep, and guess what tax bracket will end up paying the bulk of this funding. The middle class.

What people don’t realize is that this proposed carbon tax gets the rich off the hook of paying for the majority of this funding. In other words, this tax helps preserve the wealth of the rich and screws the middle class.

We need to get this message out because its true and I believe it would be very effective in stopping a carbon tax.

Never thought I’d say this but its time we screw the rich with higher taxes. Many of them are leftists so it would bring me great joy and satisfaction to make them use their wealth for the things they want.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  ATheoK
July 26, 2018 11:24 am

“…Eliminate regressive, inefficient and discriminatory taxes like the gasoline tax and the aviation fuel tax to promote equitable treatment for Americans driving traditional cars and ensures all Americans are contributing their fair share to our country’s infrastructure needs;…”.

This is the only way I might seriously consider a carbon tax—if it replaces the gasoline tax, aviation fuel taxes and taxes on my fossil fuel-based utility bill. Also, in exchange for the carbon tax, stop the funding of the WMO/IPCC (which we are supposed to do anyway since they admitted the Palestinians as members), the funding the UN’s Green Climate Fund and the funding of scientists who are toeing the climate alarmist party line (especially their climate models).

Put some of the money towards funding for the R&D for 4th generation nuclear power. If the carbon tax doesn’t completely replace all the revenue lost from fossil fuel and utility taxes that are ended, raise revenue by cutting spending elsewhere to fill the gap. On the flip side, the carbon tax should not cost more than the taxes they replace.

Outlaw the gasoline, aviation fuel and other taxes that the carbon tax replaces. The problem here though is that the politicians (especially on the Left) will leave the door open to reinstate the taxes that the carbon tax replaces, and I am not stupid enough to believe that they won’t try to do it.

Robertvd
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
July 26, 2018 12:34 pm

I am against any form of direct taxation which gives those in power the right to know everything about you. It is the way to enslave a population.

Thomas Stone
July 26, 2018 6:13 am

Market Choice? Yea, sure. Most taxes can be be minimized by 1) not making money, 2) not spending money, or 4 not owning anything, 5) not doing anything. Not much choice there.

MarkW
Reply to  Thomas Stone
July 26, 2018 8:33 am

What happened to 3)?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2018 5:37 am

It has fallen inside the Schwarzschild radius.

ResourceGuy
July 26, 2018 6:35 am

Ex-Congressman

Wharfplank
July 26, 2018 6:55 am

Climate Change, like any other religion, relies on faith.

Bruce Cobb
July 26, 2018 7:10 am

Dead political career walking.

Edwin
July 26, 2018 7:32 am

Curbelo represents the Florida Keys. While the population is not fond of government they tend towards liberal and leftists policies for the rest of the country. Last two presidential elections they voted for Obama and Hillary. Since Curbelo’s proposal really wouldn’t impact them, or so they believe, they probably support it. Though predicting what the folks in the Monroe County will and will not do has always been difficult. They had a outbreak of dengue not long ago, while they wanted the outbreak stopped immediately they then didn’t want mosquito control to do anything to mitigate future outbreaks. They want water quality improved but want the rest of the country to pay for it. Many in the Keys are on “septic tanks,” which due to the geology, actually are cesspools with a near direct connection with the ocean.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Edwin
July 26, 2018 8:56 am

You may need to update your knowledge of the “septic tanks”. The implementation of a central sewer system has been going on for a while and it should be close to being finished. I don’t live there so perhaps someone can give a real update.

Edwin
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 26, 2018 4:58 pm

Thanks for the heads up. I did a google and you are correct. But as I said they wanted the rest of the state to pay and that appear is exactly what happened, about a billion dollars. However, I doubt seriously that everyone is connected and the old “septic tanks” were filled in. Also I wonder what happened to the waste water plants, sewage lines, etc last year after the hurricane.

Mumbles McGuirck
July 26, 2018 7:41 am

Rep. Curbelo frequently appears on local TV news broadcasts yammering on about climate change. He gets favorable coverage because he is a MeToo RINO on the subject. He does not receive the same coverage when he goes ‘off topic’ and takes a conservative stand on other issues.

beng135
July 26, 2018 8:29 am

A boneheaded RINO. Hopefully someone will take him behind the woodshed, but that’s prb’ly considered some kind of abuse nowadays….

R Hall
July 26, 2018 8:42 am

Another GOP politician joins the list of dead men walking. Toss the bum out in November.

John the Econ
July 26, 2018 8:43 am

Part of the Progressive war on the poor and middle class.

Joel Snider
July 26, 2018 8:47 am

Exploitive POS.

Russell Johnson
July 26, 2018 9:06 am

Just another pandering RINO. “The Market Choice Act,” amazing isn’t it? They always name tax bills with harmless happy names. Real meaning: “We choose to act by taxing carbon in all markets.”

Mark Jordon
July 26, 2018 9:16 am

I notice there are two breweries signing the letter. Breweries are CO2 sequestration companies.
They would probably receive carbon credits. Carlos is simply trolling for votes and campaign contributions, he probably realizes there is no chance of such a bill passing Congress.

Wally
July 26, 2018 10:24 am

Since when is taxation a ‘market choice’?

Robertvd
July 26, 2018 10:24 am

‘The Market’ is We The People. Government has no idea about economy and how a FREE market functions. Regulating it kills the free market because only the BIG ones (those who want regulations) can comply.This is bad for competition so it is bad for the customer. The free market where the customer decides and not ‘government'(those in power) will make things cheaper not more expensive.

July 26, 2018 11:24 am

This clearly is an excuse to raise money by parasitizing the human-caused-climate-change scam.

Yeah, this scam is great, if it helps US raise funds that we cannot raise through means based on truthful claims.

Use a lie to make ends meet. Such integrity ! (/sarc)

July 26, 2018 1:41 pm

CHEAP ABUNDANT ENERGY IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF SOCIETY. It IS that simple!

Most politicians are so incompetent that they should not even opine about energy matters, let alone set policy. That statement clearly includes Congressman Carlos Curbelo.

Carbon taxes are destructive and imbecilic, because they do no good and cause great harm, by driving up the cost of EVERYTHING.

“When uninformed politicians fool with energy systems, real people suffer and die.”

COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
By Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf
________________________________________________________________

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/18/study-global-warming-wont-reduce-winter-deaths/#comment-1967576

[excerpt]

Excess winter deaths average about 100,000 per year in the USA in the four winter months. That is two 9/11’s per week for 17 weeks EVERY YEAR.

This post is from 2014:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/28/canada-pulls-the-plug-on-the-u-s-keystone-pipeline-will-send-oil-to-asia/#comment-1676342

[excerpt]

We knew with confidence over a decade ago that global warming alarmism was technically false, extremist and wasteful.

We also knew with confidence over a decade ago that the green energy schemes proposed to “fight global warming” would not be green nor would they provide much useful (dispatchable) energy.

Since then, there has been no significant global warming.

Since then, trillions of dollars have been squandered on failed green energy schemes that have produced little net energy, but have caused energy costs to soar.

There is no real global warming crisis.

Cheap, abundant, reliable energy IS the lifeblood of society.

Regards, Allan

Sommer
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 26, 2018 6:38 pm

Allan, have you ever tried to tell this to Minister Catherine MacKenna?
Did you see how she reacted to Ontario’s new government when it was announced that they would cancel the cap and trade?

Reply to  Sommer
July 26, 2018 9:06 pm

Hi Sommer,

Catherine McKenna, aka Climate Barbie, is a scientific imbecile.

She holds a master’s degree from the London School of Economics and a law degree from McGill University. She tries to shout down and insult anyone who disagrees with her idiotic opinions on global warming alarmism and climate change.

Realize that neither Law nor Economics are in any way scientific subjects – they are artificial constructs that require little more than memorization of reams of information without a strong requirement for logic or coherence.

If you don’t believe me, spend a few days in Canadian federal courts. I spent six years in court and have never seen such deceit and incompetence in any other field. I would not trust a typical lawyer, Crown prosecutor or federally-appointed Justice to even wash my car.

Economics is perhaps an even softer field, but unlike law, it does have the great advantage of not rewarding the biggest liars in the room.

So in answer to your question, no, I have not tried to communicate with Climate Barbie. In my long life, I have learned that you cannot communicate with zealots and imbeciles – they do not have the intellectual tools to even hear what you are saying.

Regards, Allan

July 26, 2018 2:53 pm

I briefly looked over H.R. 6463, otherwise known as “Modernizing America with Rebuilding to Kickstart the Economy of the Twenty-first Century with a Historic Infrastructure-Centered Expansion Act”… or … “MARKET CHOICE Act” for short, and here’s a rundown of some of the basic assumptions of the act on which Congress gives the appearance of being in majority agreement:

(1) roads, bridges, airports, and urban transportation systems are essential to the economic and national security of the United States;

(2) there is a chronic shortfall in funding for the maintenance of highways, bridges, and other critical infrastructure;

And the MARKET CHOICE Act is what? — a rational plan to raise more funding to address this funding shortfall ? Have you SEEN the waste in other areas of government spending?

(3) strategic investments in new infrastructure will allow for economic growth and dynamism in the twenty first century;

Yeah, it sounds pretty good, when terms like “new infrastructure” are in play, but when you consider what this general term breaks down into, investments in those areas are strategically uninformed, and the prospects for economic growth projected from them are grossly idealized beyond any intelligent understanding. Congress needs to vacate the idealism of general terminology here and dig deep into the details of practicality governing reality.

(4) there has been a marked increase in extreme weather events and the negative impacts of a changing climate are expected to worsen in every region of the United States;

Oh my God, is the USA Congress really standing behind this tired, disproven, old song?! The rest of point # 4 seems to mirror a quote straight out of the IPCC bible. Congressional majority agreement seems clearly stuck in the dark ages, which is disturbingly ironic, since they are trying to help engineer a new age.

(5) if left unaddressed, the consequences of a changing climate have the potential to adversely impact the health of all Americans, harm the economy, and impose substantial costs on local, State, and Federal budgets;

Hogwash! The climate is NOT changing in any more radical way than it has been, to increase threatening consequences. This claim is mired in the fearmongering rhetoric of those who speak falsehoods and confusion.

(6) efforts to reduce climate risk should protect our Nation’s economy, security, infrastructure, agriculture, water supply, public health, and public safety; and

Reduce climate risk ? There is no greater risk from climate today than there has been in the past, other than more humans are building more stuff that faces the same risks that have always existed from climate. More stuff does NOT mean more risk — more stuff means more stuff at risk. Build twenty houses in a flood-prone area, or build ten houses in the same flood-prone area — the risk of loosing ten or loosing twenty from flood damage is the builder’s CHOICE … NOT the fault of all humans using fossil fuels.

(7) there is bipartisan support for pursuing efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions through economically viable, broadly supported private and public policies and solutions.

“Economically viable” ? Clearly Congress has not done its homework.

Later on in the text of the act, we find this:

(9) GREENHOUSE GAS EFFECTS.—The term “greenhouse gas effects” means the adverse effects of greenhouse gasses on health or welfare caused by the greenhouse gas’s heat-trapping potential or its effect on ocean acidification.

“Heat-trapping” ?! “Ocean acidification” ?! Please make it stop! This is the collective voice of our USA Congress. These are fundamental assumptions supposedly justifying a tax on carbon dioxide.

Is Congress serious about believing what a majority of its members appears to believe, or is Congress using a wide-spread myth as an opportunity to raise more money? Either way, it’s an embarrassment.

July 26, 2018 3:22 pm

The legislation to tax carbon emissions introduced by Carlos Curbelo (R, Florida) and supported by a variety of special interests is just a shell game set up around the false narrative of climate change. A tax on carbon emissions would be passed on to consumers by way of higher energy costs and absolutely nothing of value would be created. Instead of directly taxing the public, the government is proposing to tax energy producers who will then raise the market prices of their products and pass on the carbon tax to consumers. The government becomes a middleman who skims off a fee and provides no essential service with the proceeds; a modern version of a shell game in a banana republic economy.

A recent development has dramatically changed the direction of the global warming debate. The results of a 2016 report by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) indicate a possible century of non-warming in which CO2 does not play a significant role. The orthodox climate change narrative of the last 30 years is crumbling faster than a snow flake in warm water.

CERN is the world’s top particle physics research facility. This distinction is important. Many physicists do not accept the premise that global circulation models adequately describe the long-term temperature of the earth well enough to warrant actions to change future temperatures through human intervention. Computer technology and databases are simply not adequate to solve the problems on which they are being applied. President Rosenbaum at Caltech recently posited that nature cannot be modeled with classical physics but might be modeled with particle physics. Conventional global climate models use theoretical particle nucleation models that require very large ad hoc adjustments to produce reasonable matches with local observations. The CERN global models of particle nucleation are based on actual laboratory nucleation-rate measurements and require no rate adjustments to match the real world.

CERN suggests that the climate models used by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to estimate future earth temperatures are too high and that the models should be redone. Promulgating environmental regulations with too little information could exacerbate a future climate threat instead of reducing it. The likely damage done from acting on the wrong premise, a warming or a cooling planet, nullifies arguments for any action until the science is right.

Climate science is far from settled. Solving the climate change conundrum before the world wastes 100 trillion dollars running in the wrong direction is the major problem for climate science today. Ill-advised legislation like that proposed by Congressman Curbelo must not be passed. It will result in the destruction of the U.S. economy. We do not need to add a carbon tax to the cost of energy that is based on a false narrative, may produce adverse effects on the environment and is unnecessary. The only beneficiaries from the tax would be connected politicians and manufacturers of alternative energy products, which are not technologically ready to supply commercial quantities of reliable energy. How all the outdoor companies got drawn into supporting this ill-conceived legislation is inconceivable.

Gordon Dressler
July 26, 2018 4:57 pm

My short letter to Congressman Curbelo:

Dear Congressman Curbelo,

In your PR statement regarding H.R 6463 (https://curbelo.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2094 ), you refer to “. . . work on a comprehensive solution to mitigate and adapt to climate change”. Before I can support that, may I please ask you to define the phrase “climate change”? In your mind, what exactly does that mean?

Is “climate change” what has occurred to Earth’s biosphere over the last 200 years, or the last 2 billion years, or what will happen in the future 1,000 years? Is climate change something only caused by humans, or is it due—in whole or in large part—to natural processes? Is climate change alarming at any level, say Earth’s average temperature increasing by 0.1 C per century, or is there a certain quantifiable rate in any parameter “x” whereby “change” starts happening (e.g., >3 C warming per century, or >100 ppm CO2 increase per century)? What are the full set of metrics that are to be monitored for defining “climate change”? And what is the ideal climate at which humans should be satisfied such that no further change, upward or downward, is acceptable: is that state in the past, now, or in the future? And is there a, ahem, consensus among Earth’s population—from Eskimos to Polynesians to Sahara desert nomads—that the “ideal-climate-that-should-nevermore-change” is agreed upon?

In summary:
“If you can’t define something you have no formal rational way of knowing that it exists. Neither can you really tell anyone else what it is. There is, in fact, no formal difference between inability to define and stupidity.” — Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

I await your reply.

s/ Gordon Dressler

N.B.: Unfortunately, this posting is the only way I can “send” the above response to Mr. Curbelo. His official House-sponsored website (https://curbelo.house.gov/contact/ ) only welcomes comments from people residing within his district. Apparently, he is quite fine with sponsoring national (i.e., Federal) level legislation but is really interested in only how this plays with voters in his district . . . but isn’t this just the true color-of-the-blood of most politicians anyway?

Reply to  Gordon Dressler
July 27, 2018 9:03 am

It’s a ploy to get votes from his state, of course. He does not care to know any other perspective than the popular perspective of his ignorant voters. And if he can use this to get in good with the federal government — to help them raise more money from taxes — then all the better.

Let’s see — we want to impose a carbon tax to feed a fund that helps to build roads and infrastructure requiring processes that use fossil fuels and produce more CO2, hence increase the demand to use fossil fuels, which will create an even broader base to tax more and raise more money. Tax that which causes that which we can tax more. It’s like a perpetual tax machine — insidiously brilliant.

Rhoda R
July 26, 2018 5:02 pm

I am getting so tired of “Florida Man….” articles. It really gets to be galling when the Florida man doing the stupid is also an elected Representative.

Tom Abbott
July 26, 2018 7:59 pm

From the article: “Curbelo’s proposal would reduce carbon emissions by 27–32 percent in net greenhouse gas emissions levels by 2025 and 30–40 percent by 2030.”

Those are very large reductions. How does Curbelo think we are going to meet those numbers? Or is this just a reduction on paper based on carbon tax trading?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 26, 2018 8:00 pm

BTW, Curbelo is a True Believer. I’ve seen him pushing CAGW themes for a while now.

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2018 9:31 am

In fact, such legislation would do little to reduce “net greenhouse gas emissions levels”, but would be instrumental in raising the cost of energy generation by 50-100% (or more) by 2025.

But since when have politicians cared squat about the impact of their wonderful laws on the costs that average US citizens bear as a result?

simple-touriste
July 26, 2018 9:53 pm

Next, buying slaves, or paying to not be a slave, will be “market choice”?

ferdberple
July 27, 2018 3:14 am

Carbon taxes will work just as soon as service stations start offering “carbon free” fuel at the pumps. After all they got rid of lead in the fuels and did it without a lead tax and the valves in our cars didn’t burn out even after years of telling us that lead in fuels was like lead in pencils. Something you can’t live without.

Mary Rose Martin
July 28, 2018 8:52 am

Vote him out quickly before he spreads.

_Jim
July 29, 2018 9:31 am

AND this differs from a fuel ‘surcharge’ or tax HOW?

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