Open Thread – trying out a new comment system

Hello,

Now that the move has been successful, I’m trying out a new commenting system plugin called WPDISCUZ.

You can read more about it here. https://wpdiscuz.com/

The original comment editor I installed last week didn’t work properly for everyone, and it screwed up comment indentation, so I had to disable it.

Try it out, leave a comment, leave a comment rating, try the sort features, etc. You can edit a comment up to 15 minutes after making it.

You can also visit another thread to see how it looks with many comments already in place.

-Anthony

 

UPDATE: I think I have the “reply” in nested comments working, and the EDIT function working properly. Also, the good news is that once you put in your name and email, it should always remember you….at least that is what I’m told by the documentation.

The bad news: General comment form is at the top, and there appears to be no way to change it according to this thread:

https://gvectors.com/forum/how-to-and-troubleshooting/remove-the-comment-form-to-below-comments/#post-3911

So, just use it for a general comment about the article, or scroll down and reply to an existing comment.

 

UPDATE2: You can display an image (or YouTube video) within a comment, (see examples in the thread below) but you MUST use https rather than http. Just simply insert the image URL, no tags or HTML needed.

If you use http all you’ll get is a link, but no embedded image.

Feel free to play around with inserting images or video in comments below.

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426 thoughts on “Open Thread – trying out a new comment system

  1. Oh, I saw the formatting change but when I hit “Reply” to a comment, nothing happened.

          • They would all pretty much agree with you, I’m sure.

            Though few of them are still Seahawks. One who is is the guy who could and should have changed the call sent into him, ie the amiable Mr. Wilson.

          • Pete Carroll went in to Starbucks and ordered a Mocha. The guy behind the counter charged him $6, wrote his name on the cup, leaned against the counter and said “this is yours Pete … do you want I should reach it across the counter to you, or do you want me to toss it to you?”

          • Looks good. I did get a squak from the system saying that I was posting too fast 😋

          • The indentation is MUCH better, Anthony. Hmm, however… I see a character count up there, TRYING to be inconspicuous – is this a new length-limiting policy? This is about the only site where I’m not the MOST long-winded. Also about to test the “keep my info.”

          • Ah – strange. Filled in the info on another reply, and it magically appeared here (this reply widget stayed open even when I went elsewhere in the thread – and there is apparently no explicit “cancel” link in the widget – although there is one to cancel editing).

            One more “like” though – an annoying thing on other systems is that you can upvote your own comment – THIS widget prevents it (at least under the same login). Nice!

        • Posted two comments in another thread… the first apparently disappeared and took a long time to do so; the second posted, and only then did the first one become visible. Does it do a lookup in a known-poster database, and if so, is it really slow??

      • As long as you’re working on the buttons I would suggest a quote button so you don’t have to add blockquote and perhaps “B”old “I”talic and “U”nderline too

    • Thanks a heap for the +/- notation Anthony. A web site with as many login readers as you have, we readers need to scroll quickly through to the most worthwhile comments, guided by the +/- notations. GREAT!

    • I wish you would only see a limited number of the nested comments, like 2.

      The problem is that sometimes the first comment takes over, or some tangent thread takes page after page after page of scrolling to get to other stuff.

      That would allow later unnested comments to have a lot more value. My 2 cents.

    • How come this FAQ doesn’t work for me?

      Subject: Linking to past comments

      Each comment has a URL that links to the start of that comment. ….. the best way to copy it is to right click on the time stamp near the start of the comment, choose “Copy link location” from the pop-up menu, and paste it into the comment

      Is it because the “time stamp” is located at the end of the comment (at lower right-hand corner)?

      Sam C

      • Those instructions are wrong for the new commenting system. Instead, click on the “link” symbol (🔗) at the upper-right corner, then click in the pop-up box, then ctrl-A (select all), then ctrl-C (copy to clipboard). (Then click the 🔗 again to make the pop-up box go away.)

        It is more cumbersome than the old system, but it works.

        • Dave B, …… thank you very much.

          I would never have figured that out on my own.

          And not being able to follow the conversation from one day to the next was really beginning to bug me.

  2. Anthony, I see your reply to me but I hit reply on your comment and nothing happens.

    • Tom, I’m able to reply to your comment. However, it looks like the system isn’t remembering my name and email address.

      • Who am I?

        Remembers who I am (though it doesn’t show it on ‘reply” — but posts correctly.

        Edit and multiple edit works…(this is my second edit ….)

  3. I wish WordPress would put a edit feature! I hit post comment…then noticed I miss a letter or hit it twice or some other goofy thing. 🙄

      • Where is the ‘edit’ feature? And why isn’t it recognizing me after the first comment?

        Okay, it just showed up.

        • I can see ALL the edits for everyone… he he……

          It takes time for big changes to software with a huge database to move around, patience is advised as we can see Anthony and others behind the scenes are hard at work, they deserve the respect and support for the hard work they do.

    • My own fumble fingers will appreciate the 15 minute edit greatly.

      I do NOT like the + and – feature because neither science nor truth are determined by vote. It has been my experience on other sites that the finest comments get a lot of negative votes from people with other beliefs. Add to that WUWT’s trolls, and it will be hard to find the good stuff.

      I also don’t like what it will do to Nick Stokes. He has never figured out that carbon dioxide is the basis of Life an Earth; he is an alarmist. I appreciate his courage coming here. He sometimes posts rubbish, but he is quite thoughtful and often posts really worthwhile stuff. We need him.

      We also need any other alarmists with the courage to visit this site and leave intelligent comments.

      I see that there is a spell check here. That will help to reduce misspellings and other typos.

      • Not that the +/- feature won’t disappear or change the position of comments, and I don’t think Nick will really care. We’ll run it for awhile and see how it goes.

        • In my experience +/- features always end up as a form of stigmatising the bullies’ chosen target.
          It is not good for a diverse debate.

          • You have a point, but for me, as I am often very late to a post, I’d just like to know if somebody actually read my comment whether they liked it or not.
            (Maybe a “read” or “nuetered” … er … “nuetral” button?)

      • Seeing if the “reply” works in my Firefox here. Also worth suggesting to anyone interested who’s any sort of investigative reporter, that it might be worthwhile to see if that other hugely widespread “Disqus” commenting system out there is paving the way is some manner (algorithms or whatever) for pro-AGW sites to automatically screen out commentary from AGW skeptic folks.

  4. I am able to access the +/- vote toggles but was not able to ‘reply’ to comments. I’ll test it here.

    • Apparently when you fill in the info on one reply, and have another reply widget open, it shares that info. But not on a new reply without anything else going.

  5. I will give it a shot. I’d like a shot myself. I seem to be having a summer cold or the bFlu has somehow hit me and is making my life a Raggedy Ann doll.

    Sniffles!!!

  6. Hi Anthony. Well done with the move, although reregistering to follow by e-mail took a while and I had to use an alternate e-mail address to get it to work.
    Hope this new plugin works out OK.
    Cheers
    Andi

  7. The image link I posted showed up in white text on my tablet. It worked as a link, but was virtually invisible.

  8. I just tried to reply to Tom in Florida’s latest comment, and nothing happened. I appreciate your efforts to improve the site, don’t give up!

  9. Okay, the comments box is appearing at the top of the screen . Is it supposed to do that?

    And the :”reply” button doesn’t work for me. And I see that I have to insert my identity now, so it’s either not recognizing people or something else is wrong with the comment Elves.

    And it isn’t recognizing me after the first post, so I have to add my name and e-mail every time.

    I’m telling Mom!

  10. Test …. 1 to 2 minute time to edit should be enough time. Any longer and risk is replying to a comment that has been changed due to original poster editing. Could be an issue that could become a mess with changes leading to changes leading to more editing. 1 or 2 minutes max to edit typos is good enough.

    • Agree. Adjusting comments after a reply could be detrimental leading to too many cases of he said she said. As W.E. asks, quote the exact words if you disagree, but what if those words get changed by the author after the fact? I think just about everyone is tolerant of typos, missing words and such, we all do it from time to .

      • You see, I left off the word “time” at the end but you’all know it should have been there.

  11. It is a mess.
    I hate to be to critical, with all the bone crushing hard work which is going into this.
    But a few points:
    Too busy, too many graphic elements going on.
    {Show More} – not optimal to hide stuff.
    Comment Box needs to be at the bottom, we need to encourage the more hasty of us to read before commenting. Having the comment box at the top encourages the wrong thing.

    WUWT is *not* FACEBOOK.
    Vote up, Vote down, Link, Share, Social Media! Do not need, do not want.

    The Links:
    Displays as light blue on white.
    When you cursor over it, it highlights to *White on White*, that is, it *disappears*.
    If you click on it, it stays disappeared. Bad.
    What rocket scientist came up with that color scheme.

    What we need:
    1) Inline display of graphics, and hopefully videos.
    2) 5 minute edit

    • Well I’ve only had it enabled for 15 minutes…still tweaking, and accusing me of being like Facebook, well that’s just harsh.

      • OK, OK.
        I try it again, reply works. Like Sara, I have to enter my name and email again. But that is OK for now, at least.
        I will wait and see how things shake out after tweaking and optimizing.

        Maybe as a Plan B, keep the old system handy, and see if the software gnomes can fix the indent formatting and add the much needed inline graphics.
        Doing stuff like this, you *always* want a Plan B. You just never know when things will go from bad to worse.

        • Inline graphics works now, but you must use https rather than http in the URL, feel free to try it.

  12. Mary had a little lamb.

    Her fleece was white as snow.

    And everywhere that Mary went,

    The lamb was set bright aglow

    By catastrophic anthropo-

    genic global warming.

    • Wow, I ended up at the top somehow. 2 for 4 :p

      Edit, and now I am back down below. Like a roller coaster in here.

  13. OK, so here’s a test comment, apropos of …. not much.

    Yesterday there was a 2-meter space rock (I hesitate to call it an “asteroid”, even though it – just barely! – met the criterion of “asteroid” of having been seen in space before hitting the Earth.)… But this barely-an-asteroid WAS observed, even a couple of HOURS before impact.

    Which reminds me of the post-Chelyabinsk meme; “”Asteroids” are nature’s way of asking “How’s that space program coming along?” “

  14. The best thing about the old site was the fonts, especially when reading on the phone. I would copy them verbatim from the old site.

  15. Jeez Anthony, when do you sleep? If I hit the lottery you’ll be he first to know and thanks for your tireless efforts.

  16. I like the new comment system. Edit function seems to work OK. (Windows 10, Firefox 60.0.1) Edit function does too.

  17. Now some people are saying that the development of geothermal energy is responsible for the volcanic eruptions in Hawaii. So removing thermal energy from a volcano causes it to become more active? What’s up with that? (the edit option seems to work)

  18. Comment button on top of thread and currently showing 67 prev comments and labeled ‘leave a reply.

    I have 2 tabs open and will time between posting comment on this tab (#1) and it showing on tab#2 . I was not able to even refresh tab #1 earlier comment for about 10 min but comment showed up on tab #2.

    I time this comment and reply back to this comment on tab#1 and simply monitor thread on tab #2

    Post comment 9:53

  19. Comment on thread showed up immediately on tab#2 after refreshing. Then Tab #1 offered an immediate chance for reply which is this.

    Now going to post this comment and check results with this tab and not refresh tab#2

    Posting time 9:58

  20. Like the color of commenter Name

    What about an ‘original comment’ box also at the bottom (after the last comment)? If I read the comments starting from the top to the last and I want to make a comment (not a reply), I have to scroll all the way to the beginning comment.

    EDIT – Testing the ‘edit’ feature: my comment above is just an observation; don’t know if valid or useful, or not

  21. This tab#1 is inverted or reversed with my comments shown on top.

    Tab#2 that I am only using for monitoring has my comments at the bottom or normal position.

    I will try refresh tab#1 after this post

    Post time 10:05

    • After refreshing tab#1 my comments moved to bottom and thread is in normal set-up per previous WUWT format

      Post time 10:08

      • Commenting now on tab #1

        Not sure where this is going to go. I can’t refresh so see if I can comment.

        Post time 10:55

    • Can’t cancel comment/reply to 10:05 and comment to 10:08. Seems if you pick a reply there’s no way to cancel.

      Hope this helps

      Post time 10:15

    • I’m forced to make a comment. Cant cancel or refresh this tab#1.

      Tab#2 allowed a page refresh and all seems well there. Comments are in proper order on tab#2.

      Post time 10:21

      • I’m replying on tab#2 this comment.

        Tab#1 is ‘locked in’ now. I can’t refresh page. Comment before lock-up was 10:21

        For what it’s worth I ‘m using Firefox.

        Post time 10:49

        • Clicking on the ‘reply button’ a second time will allow you to escape the ‘reply’ function. Don’t believe the cancel option, it’s a crap button.

          Post time 11:03

      • Except that now when a post exceeds more than a paragraph the comment goes into youtube mode where it is necessary to click “read more” to see the rest of the comment. Probably so annoying that i can already see it is not worth looking at the comments section unless one is willing to get a jackhammer to click all the “read more” interruptions.

        Bad idea…and extremely annoying.
        Very poor .
        No way to run a comment section.
        What a turn off.
        Youtube did it and it failed.
        Repels those who read comments.

        • Adds a lot of time and energy to investigating comments. From the point of view of a reader of comments, this is a very laborious system and so i fail to have the energy to approach a comment section when i need to reveal comments with a ‘read more’ button.
          The usual scroll function of being able to scroll down the page is vastly more efficient.
          Hence, the fail. I barely go to a comment section thus presented….I barely go to youtube comments since this “read more” button was deployed.
          I suspect there are others, though not all, like me.
          It amounts to a fail from my perspective and so unnecessary.
          We all have a scroll button that can take us past and entire comment and even its replies without this “READ MORE” at light speed.

          • LOL, my previous comment now has a “read more” button ….OK….i have made my point…the ‘read more’ button in my opinion is an epic fail for the adept scroller, however, …….this is just my opinion..

  22. Ah. “Keep my info” didn’t work on a reply, although I will try somewhere else. It DOES work on the top level.

    One thing you might want to add is the standard notice that you do not make the email addresses public.

  23. Testing to fix ‘NAME’ from kokodda, to kokoda

    A-OK (was concerned about not being allowed due to using same email address)

    • Not sure why the video image did not display there…. It leads with the https: ???
      And after I hit the link, it disappeared (white on white). Did not come back by refreshing the page or going to ‘home’ and back again.

      • It appeared to be a mobile or app based youtube link. Try redoing it in desktop mode in a browser if on mobile.

    • That’s a shortened youtu.be redirector address not a YouTube URL.
      The address you need to use is the [https://www·youtube·com/watch?v=9bKwRW0l-Qk&feature=youtu·be] I’ve put( · ) in for ( . )to stop it loading. OK?

  24. Kewl!
    New comments are highlighted in yellow for easy finding. Cursor over them changes them to usual color.
    Maybe I can forgive the links to social media.

    The Edit function:
    I tried to extend a comment with the Edit function. I just added one sentence and got
    “Input Too Long”, and the edit was rejected.

    Running an older version of Firefox (~ver. 43), under Linux.

  25. Testing the formatting. Too bad there’s still no WSYWYG editor. Still stuck using limited HTML subset.

    The 500 character limit will be interesting. Some of us post lengthy essays.

  26. Hi Anthony……..I’m just testing this. After the recent update, a few of my input comments evaporated into cyberspace with a System 500 error, never to be seen again so I hope this one works! Anyway, let’s see!

    • MONTHLY MEAN CENTRAL ENGLAND TEMPERATURE (DEGREES C)
      1659-1973 MANLEY (Q.J.R.METEOROL.SOC., 1974)
      1974ON PARKER ET AL. (INT.J.CLIM., 1992)
      PARKER AND HORTON (INT.J.CLIM., 2005)

      JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC YEAR
      1659 3.0 4.0 6.0 7.0 11.0 13.0 16.0 16.0 13.0 10.0 5.0 2.0 8.83
      1660 0.0 4.0 6.0 9.0 11.0 14.0 15.0 16.0 13.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 9.08
      1661 5.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 11.0 8.0 6.0 9.75
      1662 5.0 6.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 11.0 6.0 3.0 9.50
      1663 1.0 1.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 10.0 7.0 5.0 8.58
      1664 4.0 5.0 5.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 16.0 16.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 4.0 9.33
      1665 1.0 1.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 14.0 16.0 15.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 2.0 8.25
      1666 4.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 18.0 17.0 14.0 11.0 6.0 3.0 9.83
      1667 0.0 4.0 2.0 7.0 10.0 15.0 17.0 16.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 3.0 8.50
      1668 5.0 5.0 5.0 8.0 10.0 14.0 16.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 9.50
      1669 1.0 4.0 5.0 7.0 11.0 15.0 17.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 2.0 9.00
      1670 3.0 1.0 5.0 8.0 11.0 14.0 16.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 3.0 8.92
      1671 4.0 3.5 5.0 7.5 11.5 13.5 16.0 15.5 13.5 8.5 6.0 4.0 9.04
      1672 1.5 1.5 5.0 7.0 12.0 16.0 15.0 14.0 11.0 11.5 6.5 4.5 8.79
      1673 5.0 1.5 5.5 7.0 11.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 11.5 7.5 5.0 0.5 8.33
      1674 5.0 2.0 1.0 7.5 11.0 13.5 14.0 13.5 10.5 9.0 6.5 3.5 8.08
      1675 3.0 2.0 3.0 7.0 10.5 11.5 15.0 14.5 10.5 8.0 4.5 4.5 7.83
      1676 5.5 5.0 5.0 7.5 10.5 18.0 16.0 16.5 12.0 7.0 3.5 -0.5 8.83
      1677 3.0 3.5 7.0 7.5 10.0 13.0 18.0 15.0 13.0 8.5 4.5 2.0 8.75
      1678 1.5 2.0 4.0 6.5 11.0 14.5 16.5 15.0 15.0 8.5 6.0 0.5 8.42
      1679 1.0 1.5 4.5 7.0 12.0 15.5 16.0 17.0 13.0 11.0 3.5 2.5 8.71
      1680 3.5 3.5 6.0 6.5 10.5 13.0 16.0 15.0 14.5 10.5 6.5 1.0 8.88
      1681 0.5 1.5 4.0 8.0 10.5 14.0 15.0 16.0 14.0 11.5 6.5 3.0 8.71
      1682 6.0 2.0 4.5 6.5 11.5 14.0 15.0 14.5 13.0 9.5 5.5 6.0 9.00
      1683 3.5 2.0 5.5 9.5 11.5 16.0 15.5 13.5 13.0 6.5 4.5 0.5 8.46
      1684 -3.0 -1.0 3.0 6.5 13.0 15.0 16.0 15.5 12.0 11.0 3.0 4.0 7.92
      1685 0.5 3.5 5.0 8.5 12.5 14.5 14.0 14.5 11.5 11.5 7.0 6.5 9.13
      1686 6.5 6.0 7.0 8.5 12.5 15.5 16.5 14.5 13.0 9.0 6.5 6.0 10.13
      1687 3.5 4.5 4.5 6.5 11.0 13.0 15.5 15.0 11.0 11.0 6.0 6.0 8.96
      1688 3.5 1.5 3.5 5.5 10.5 13.0 15.5 15.0 12.0 7.0 4.0 3.0 7.83
      1689 0.5 4.5 5.0 8.0 11.0 12.0 15.5 15.5 13.0 8.0 5.0 4.5 8.54
      1690 4.0 4.5 4.5 8.0 9.5 13.5 15.5 15.0 13.0 8.5 6.5 4.5 8.92
      1691 1.0 1.0 5.0 6.5 10.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 11.0 9.0 5.0 3.5 8.13
      1692 2.0 0.0 4.0 7.5 9.0 13.5 15.0 15.0 11.5 6.5 5.0 3.5 7.71
      1693 3.0 5.0 3.0 6.5 9.0 14.5 15.0 15.0 12.0 9.5 6.0 3.0 8.46
      1694 0.0 5.0 3.5 7.5 9.0 13.0 15.0 13.0 10.5 7.5 5.5 2.5 7.67
      1695 -1.0 0.5 3.5 5.5 9.0 13.0 13.5 13.0 11.5 9.0 5.5 4.0 7.25
      1696 5.5 4.5 3.5 5.5 10.5 13.0 15.5 15.5 11.5 9.0 5.5 2.5 8.50
      1697 1.0 0.5 5.5 7.0 11.5 13.0 15.5 14.5 12.0 9.0 4.0 2.5 8.00
      1698 0.0 0.5 3.5 7.5 8.5 12.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 9.0 4.0 3.5 7.63
      1699 3.4 3.4 3.9 6.4 10.0 14.4 17.2 15.0 13.3 9.4 5.6 3.6 8.80
      1700 3.9 2.5 3.6 6.4 12.0 13.6 15.0 15.0 12.8 8.9 5.0 4.2 8.57
      1701 2.8 2.5 2.8 4.7 10.9 14.2 18.3 16.1 14.7 7.5 6.4 3.6 8.71
      1702 5.0 6.7 5.8 5.8 10.6 13.3 15.0 16.1 14.4 10.0 4.4 4.4 9.29
      1703 2.2 3.9 5.6 8.3 11.9 13.9 16.1 16.1 10.6 7.8 7.2 5.1 9.06
      1704 2.0 3.3 5.3 8.3 11.5 14.4 16.7 16.9 11.9 8.3 6.4 3.6 9.05
      1705 2.8 3.9 4.4 7.8 11.2 12.2 15.6 17.5 11.9 8.9 3.9 4.4 8.71
      1706 2.8 4.2 6.4 8.9 12.2 15.6 16.1 16.7 12.5 11.2 6.1 4.7 9.78
      1707 3.5 3.0 5.0 8.5 11.0 16.0 17.0 16.0 14.0 8.5 6.5 3.5 9.38
      1708 6.0 4.0 6.5 9.5 10.5 14.0 15.0 17.0 15.0 8.5 7.0 3.0 9.67
      1709 -1.5 2.0 3.0 9.0 12.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 13.5 10.0 7.5 3.5 8.71
      1710 2.5 3.5 6.0 6.5 11.5 14.5 15.0 15.5 13.5 9.5 8.0 7.5 9.46
      1711 5.0 2.0 5.5 9.5 11.0 15.5 15.5 15.0 13.0 9.5 7.0 4.0 9.38
      1712 3.0 4.5 5.0 7.5 11.0 15.0 16.0 15.0 13.0 9.5 6.0 4.0 9.13
      1713 3.0 5.5 4.5 5.5 10.5 13.5 14.0 15.0 14.0 9.5 4.5 4.0 8.63
      1714 4.0 5.5 5.0 7.5 10.0 14.5 18.0 15.0 13.0 10.5 6.0 4.0 9.42
      1715 4.0 5.0 6.5 9.5 11.0 14.0 15.5 15.0 14.0 10.5 6.5 1.5 9.42
      1716 -2.0 3.0 4.5 9.0 10.5 14.0 15.5 15.5 12.5 9.5 5.5 3.0 8.38
      1717 4.5 2.5 4.5 7.5 11.0 14.0 15.0 15.5 13.5 9.5 5.5 5.0 9.00
      1718 1.5 3.0 5.5 7.5 11.0 14.5 17.0 17.0 14.5 9.5 5.5 4.5 9.25
      1719 3.0 4.0 5.0 7.0 11.5 15.0 18.0 17.0 14.0 9.5 6.0 3.5 9.46
      1720 4.5 4.0 4.0 7.5 11.0 13.0 16.0 15.0 13.5 9.0 6.0 5.5 9.08
      1721 4.0 2.0 3.5 8.5 9.5 14.0 15.5 16.0 14.0 9.0 6.0 4.5 8.88
      1722 4.0 5.0 6.0 7.5 10.5 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.5 10.0 7.8 3.9 9.35
      1723 1.1 4.4 7.5 8.9 11.7 15.0 15.3 15.6 13.3 11.1 7.5 5.8 9.77
      1724 5.6 4.2 4.7 7.2 11.4 15.3 15.0 16.2 14.4 8.6 5.3 3.3 9.27
      1725 4.4 3.3 5.0 8.1 10.8 12.2 13.8 13.3 12.8 9.4 6.9 3.9 8.66
      1726 1.1 4.2 4.2 8.4 13.4 16.4 16.0 15.6 14.7 10.2 6.1 1.8 9.34
      1727 4.2 5.0 5.1 9.2 13.6 14.9 16.9 16.9 14.4 10.8 4.7 3.6 9.94
      1728 3.9 2.4 7.1 8.3 12.5 16.4 16.9 16.0 12.8 9.1 7.2 1.6 9.52
      1729 1.2 2.3 2.8 7.1 10.3 15.1 16.8 15.7 16.6 10.1 8.1 5.0 9.26
      1730 4.1 4.7 6.2 8.7 12.4 14.0 15.3 16.3 15.3 10.9 9.2 3.4 10.04
      1731 1.9 2.2 6.0 6.8 12.1 15.6 16.3 16.7 15.3 12.3 7.8 5.2 9.85
      1732 2.4 6.4 6.1 8.9 11.4 14.6 16.0 16.6 14.5 10.9 6.3 2.2 9.69
      1733 6.9 6.0 5.9 10.0 11.2 15.2 18.3 16.1 12.8 9.1 6.5 7.6 10.47
      1734 4.3 6.4 8.1 9.3 11.1 14.1 16.2 16.2 13.3 8.4 6.2 4.0 9.80
      1735 4.4 4.0 5.8 8.9 10.9 13.3 14.8 16.2 14.2 10.3 6.3 5.4 9.54
      1736 6.4 3.1 6.9 8.6 10.6 15.7 16.4 17.8 14.4 10.4 6.9 6.4 10.30
      1737 6.2 4.2 6.1 8.8 12.5 15.9 17.4 13.8 14.2 8.9 6.1 4.9 9.92
      1738 4.6 4.6 5.5 9.9 11.4 14.2 16.4 16.0 12.5 10.2 6.3 6.1 9.81
      1739 4.0 6.8 5.8 6.7 11.6 15.2 16.0 14.7 13.1 9.6 3.7 3.2 9.20
      1740 -2.8 -1.6 3.9 6.4 8.6 12.8 15.3 14.7 14.0 5.3 3.3 2.2 6.84
      1741 1.7 4.4 4.2 7.1 9.3 15.2 15.6 16.7 14.7 11.0 7.8 3.9 9.30
      1742 1.9 3.6 4.1 6.6 10.6 15.0 15.8 15.8 12.2 9.2 4.4 1.1 8.36
      1743 3.6 5.4 5.3 5.4 13.3 15.6 14.9 16.9 14.2 8.9 9.3 4.9 9.81
      1744 1.4 2.9 4.8 6.7 10.8 14.4 16.4 15.4 12.8 9.4 6.9 3.5 8.78
      1745 3.8 2.3 4.4 7.5 11.4 12.2 16.1 15.0 14.2 10.3 5.8 2.7 8.81
      1746 2.5 1.4 3.1 6.9 12.8 14.3 15.8 15.9 14.2 7.8 3.3 5.3 8.61
      1747 3.3 5.8 2.5 8.1 12.2 14.7 16.9 18.3 14.4 9.4 6.9 5.3 9.82
      1748 2.5 1.8 1.8 6.3 10.4 14.8 15.4 15.8 14.2 9.2 7.1 6.0 8.77
      1749 5.3 3.6 5.3 6.8 12.3 11.9 17.2 15.6 13.8 10.1 6.7 4.7 9.44
      1750 4.0 6.7 8.2 7.7 10.7 14.2 17.2 15.0 15.2 9.2 4.0 4.2 9.69
      1751 4.0 1.5 6.2 7.1 9.3 14.9 15.3 14.6 12.6 8.3 4.3 3.0 8.42
      1752 3.2 3.1 5.6 6.8 10.3 14.8 15.6 15.7 13.9 10.6 6.5 4.2 9.19
      1753 2.2 3.6 6.0 7.5 12.1 14.6 15.2 15.7 13.1 10.0 4.6 4.4 9.08
      1754 3.3 2.8 3.4 6.7 12.2 13.6 14.7 15.7 13.9 10.4 5.7 3.6 8.83
      1755 2.2 1.2 3.9 10.0 9.4 15.7 15.0 14.6 13.5 8.4 4.7 3.9 8.54
      1756 4.4 4.6 6.0 6.7 9.1 13.8 16.1 14.7 13.6 9.4 3.9 2.9 8.77
      1757 0.3 4.0 4.9 8.1 10.7 14.0 18.4 15.2 13.3 8.2 7.1 3.2 8.95
      1758 2.6 3.8 5.2 7.2 13.8 14.6 14.2 16.4 11.9 8.1 5.7 3.9 8.95
      1759 5.9 5.8 6.1 8.6 12.1 15.0 18.2 16.3 13.5 10.9 5.1 2.5 10.00
      1760 1.9 3.8 6.6 9.4 11.7 15.2 16.9 15.8 15.7 9.2 5.7 6.1 9.83
      1761 5.4 5.8 6.8 9.4 11.9 14.3 15.8 16.4 14.2 9.4 6.2 4.4 10.00
      1762 4.7 4.0 3.7 10.0 12.9 16.9 17.8 15.3 13.6 7.9 4.6 3.6 9.58
      1763 -0.8 4.9 5.4 8.9 10.2 14.6 15.3 15.3 13.1 8.3 5.8 6.2 8.93
      1764 3.7 3.8 3.9 7.2 12.2 13.9 16.1 15.2 12.5 8.9 4.4 2.8 8.72
      1765 4.8 0.4 5.0 7.5 11.4 13.8 15.7 15.3 13.3 9.2 3.9 1.7 8.50
      1766 0.7 1.7 4.2 8.1 9.7 13.7 15.7 16.6 13.3 9.3 7.2 3.3 8.63
      1767 0.1 5.4 4.7 7.3 10.0 12.8 14.4 16.1 14.1 9.2 6.9 3.3 8.69
      1768 0.8 4.8 4.7 8.1 12.2 13.9 15.6 16.0 11.7 9.2 5.6 4.6 8.93
      1769 2.5 2.7 5.0 7.8 11.3 13.1 16.4 15.0 12.8 8.2 5.7 4.8 8.77
      1770 3.7 4.6 2.5 5.4 10.0 13.1 15.3 15.8 13.9 8.9 5.3 3.6 8.51
      1771 1.0 3.2 3.1 5.5 12.2 14.3 15.7 14.3 12.2 9.2 6.3 5.6 8.55
      1772 1.2 1.9 4.4 6.4 10.1 16.1 16.9 16.1 13.0 11.7 7.2 4.8 9.15
      1773 4.0 2.6 6.5 8.3 10.3 14.7 15.9 17.2 12.4 9.9 5.3 3.8 9.24
      1774 0.6 4.3 6.4 8.6 10.9 14.7 16.1 16.1 12.5 10.3 4.8 3.5 9.07
      1775 4.6 6.1 6.0 9.8 12.6 16.6 16.7 15.8 14.3 9.3 4.8 4.5 10.09
      1776 -1.6 3.8 6.4 9.4 10.8 14.1 16.3 15.2 12.9 10.2 6.2 4.4 9.01
      1777 1.9 2.3 6.8 7.2 11.7 13.6 15.3 15.9 14.6 10.2 6.9 2.6 9.08
      1778 1.9 3.2 4.6 8.2 10.6 15.4 17.3 16.8 12.2 7.4 6.7 6.1 9.20
      1779 2.9 7.9 7.9 9.4 11.9 14.4 17.9 17.6 15.2 10.9 5.7 3.1 10.40
      1780 -0.9 2.1 7.9 6.3 12.8 14.2 16.8 17.6 15.6 9.1 4.4 3.2 9.09
      1781 2.1 4.8 6.6 9.2 12.1 16.2 17.4 17.3 14.2 10.6 6.5 5.4 10.20
      1782 5.2 1.9 4.1 5.2 9.0 14.9 15.6 14.2 13.3 7.6 2.3 2.8 8.01
      1783 3.4 3.3 3.3 10.1 10.4 14.8 18.8 15.8 12.8 9.8 6.2 2.7 9.28
      1784 -0.6 1.4 2.7 5.7 13.5 13.7 15.2 14.0 14.8 7.8 5.5 0.3 7.83
      1785 3.4 0.4 1.2 8.4 12.3 16.1 16.1 13.9 13.6 8.7 5.6 2.8 8.54
      1786 2.7 3.4 2.1 8.1 11.2 16.1 15.0 15.1 11.7 7.5 3.3 2.8 8.25
      1787 3.6 5.9 6.8 7.4 11.5 13.9 15.8 15.6 12.8 9.8 4.5 3.8 9.28
      1788 3.9 3.8 3.6 9.4 13.8 15.4 15.8 15.8 13.4 9.8 6.1 -0.3 9.21
      1789 1.5 5.0 2.1 7.4 12.5 14.0 15.4 16.6 13.1 8.6 4.6 6.1 8.91
      1790 4.3 6.6 6.4 6.1 11.9 14.6 14.9 15.6 12.2 10.3 6.1 4.3 9.44
      1791 4.3 4.7 6.5 9.6 10.6 14.7 15.3 15.9 13.8 8.9 5.9 1.1 9.27
      1792 2.3 4.5 5.9 10.0 10.2 13.2 15.3 16.9 11.8 8.8 7.1 4.3 9.19
      1793 2.8 4.6 4.2 6.2 10.9 13.5 17.6 15.0 11.7 11.3 6.0 5.3 9.09
      1794 1.8 7.2 7.0 10.2 11.3 15.7 18.1 15.5 12.5 9.6 6.1 3.7 9.89
      1795 -3.1 0.8 3.9 7.7 10.9 13.2 15.2 16.6 16.0 11.7 4.5 6.6 8.67
      1796 7.3 4.7 4.2 10.2 10.3 13.9 14.7 15.9 14.6 8.1 4.6 -0.3 9.02
      1797 3.5 4.6 4.3 7.4 11.3 13.6 17.3 15.8 12.5 8.2 4.7 4.8 9.00
      1798 3.6 4.0 5.1 10.4 12.9 16.9 16.3 16.4 13.6 9.9 4.7 1.5 9.61
      1799 1.7 2.8 3.4 5.4 9.6 14.1 15.2 14.4 12.9 8.3 5.6 1.3 7.89
      1800 2.8 2.2 4.0 9.3 12.3 13.9 17.7 16.8 13.9 9.2 5.4 3.3 9.23
      1801 4.6 4.8 6.7 8.3 12.1 14.8 16.1 17.1 14.2 10.2 4.8 1.5 9.60
      1802 1.6 3.7 5.6 8.9 10.6 13.7 13.5 17.2 13.8 10.1 5.1 3.6 8.95
      1803 1.8 3.4 6.3 9.1 10.5 13.7 17.6 16.1 11.4 9.3 5.0 4.4 9.05
      1804 5.8 2.9 4.7 6.9 13.3 16.1 15.9 15.6 14.2 10.7 6.6 2.1 9.57
      1805 2.1 4.1 6.2 8.3 10.2 13.2 16.0 16.4 14.6 8.2 4.8 3.6 8.97
      1806 4.2 4.3 5.1 6.8 12.1 14.9 15.4 16.2 13.4 10.6 7.8 6.8 9.80
      1807 2.8 3.7 2.9 7.7 11.8 14.2 17.1 16.9 10.5 11.4 2.9 1.9 8.65
      1808 2.6 2.8 3.2 5.8 13.7 14.8 18.4 16.7 12.7 7.2 6.0 2.2 8.84
      1809 2.0 5.7 6.0 5.2 13.1 13.7 15.1 14.8 12.7 10.2 4.6 4.1 8.93
      1810 2.2 3.5 4.9 8.2 9.2 14.6 15.2 14.6 13.9 9.8 5.4 3.6 8.76
      1811 1.2 4.6 7.1 8.9 12.8 14.1 16.1 14.4 13.7 12.3 7.7 3.1 9.67
      1812 2.6 5.3 3.5 5.5 10.9 13.0 14.2 14.3 13.2 9.3 4.9 1.7 8.20
      1813 1.9 5.8 6.8 7.6 11.6 13.6 15.0 14.5 12.5 8.1 4.3 2.8 8.71
      1814 -2.9 1.4 2.9 9.6 9.2 12.2 16.0 14.7 12.8 8.1 4.7 4.3 7.75
      1815 0.3 6.5 7.3 8.1 12.6 14.3 14.9 15.3 13.4 10.3 3.4 2.3 9.06
      1816 2.7 2.1 3.9 6.6 9.9 12.8 13.4 13.9 11.8 10.3 3.9 3.1 7.87
      1817 4.5 6.4 5.5 7.6 8.7 15.1 14.1 13.6 13.2 6.4 9.1 2.5 8.89
      1818 4.4 2.7 4.5 6.9 11.3 16.4 18.2 15.3 13.3 12.0 9.5 3.6 9.84
      1819 4.4 4.3 6.8 8.6 11.5 13.4 16.4 17.4 13.4 9.1 4.1 1.4 9.23
      1820 -0.3 3.2 4.7 8.9 11.4 13.6 15.7 14.7 12.3 8.1 5.6 4.7 8.55
      1821 3.6 2.1 5.7 9.5 9.4 12.3 14.8 16.4 14.9 10.4 8.6 6.4 9.51
      1822 4.7 6.3 7.8 8.3 12.7 17.1 15.6 15.2 12.4 10.7 8.2 1.6 10.05
      1823 -0.1 3.1 5.0 6.7 12.2 12.3 14.1 14.4 12.5 8.4 7.1 4.8 8.38
      1824 4.3 4.7 4.6 7.4 10.7 13.4 16.0 15.1 13.7 9.5 7.2 5.1 9.31
      1825 3.8 3.9 5.0 9.1 11.6 14.1 17.2 16.3 15.1 10.8 5.2 4.6 9.72
      1826 0.4 6.4 6.3 8.8 11.2 17.3 17.9 17.6 13.6 11.1 4.4 5.8 10.07
      1827 1.7 0.7 5.9 8.9 11.9 14.2 16.5 14.8 13.7 11.4 6.9 6.9 9.46
      1828 5.1 5.2 6.6 8.3 12.4 15.4 16.0 15.3 14.3 10.2 7.4 7.4 10.30
      1829 0.3 4.3 4.3 6.7 12.5 14.9 15.1 14.3 11.3 8.3 4.5 1.4 8.16
      1830 -0.2 2.2 7.7 8.9 12.0 12.7 16.2 13.7 11.9 10.4 6.9 1.8 8.68
      1831 1.6 4.8 7.2 9.2 11.5 15.4 16.7 16.9 13.7 12.7 5.6 5.8 10.09
      1832 3.1 3.4 5.8 8.6 10.9 15.2 15.9 15.4 13.6 10.7 5.9 5.2 9.47
      1833 1.2 5.6 3.9 7.7 15.1 14.6 15.8 14.3 12.1 10.1 6.6 6.9 9.49
      1834 7.1 5.6 7.1 7.7 13.0 15.4 16.9 16.2 13.8 10.6 6.7 5.6 10.47
      1835 2.9 5.7 5.8 8.6 11.3 15.0 16.4 16.9 13.4 8.9 6.6 3.1 9.55
      1836 3.7 3.5 5.8 7.2 11.1 15.3 15.4 14.6 11.7 8.6 5.3 4.1 8.86
      1837 2.7 4.7 2.3 4.7 9.9 15.5 16.9 15.7 12.5 10.5 5.2 5.3 8.82
      1838 -1.5 0.4 4.9 6.1 10.5 14.4 15.6 15.1 12.7 9.8 4.6 4.0 8.05
      1839 2.8 4.1 4.2 6.4 10.2 14.3 14.9 14.6 12.4 9.3 7.3 3.7 8.68
      1840 4.1 3.6 3.8 9.7 11.4 14.1 13.8 15.9 11.1 7.5 5.8 1.3 8.51
      1841 1.1 2.4 7.5 7.8 12.7 12.9 13.8 14.6 13.4 8.7 5.2 4.4 8.71
      1842 0.6 4.2 6.4 7.8 11.4 15.6 14.5 17.1 13.2 7.2 5.5 7.2 9.22
      1843 4.0 1.9 5.6 8.5 10.4 12.8 14.8 15.3 14.4 7.9 5.7 7.4 9.06
      1844 3.8 1.6 4.7 9.8 10.8 14.7 15.4 13.5 13.3 9.2 5.9 0.4 8.59
      1845 3.2 0.9 2.0 8.6 9.5 14.9 14.3 13.5 11.4 9.5 6.7 4.6 8.26
      1846 6.3 6.4 6.1 7.8 12.3 18.2 16.5 16.6 14.7 9.5 6.9 0.5 10.15
      1847 2.2 2.4 5.6 6.6 12.3 13.9 17.5 15.2 11.5 10.7 7.9 4.8 9.22
      1848 1.3 6.1 5.9 8.2 13.9 14.5 15.6 13.6 12.8 9.7 5.8 5.6 9.42
      1849 3.9 5.7 6.1 6.4 12.1 13.9 15.4 15.6 13.3 9.2 6.6 3.4 9.30
      1850 0.7 6.4 4.7 9.0 10.1 15.4 16.2 14.5 12.3 7.9 7.4 4.6 9.10
      1851 5.6 4.7 5.8 7.4 10.4 14.3 14.6 15.5 12.7 10.8 3.1 4.8 9.14
      1852 4.9 4.7 5.2 8.2 10.6 13.2 18.7 15.8 12.9 7.8 7.9 7.7 9.80
      1853 5.1 0.6 3.4 7.6 10.9 14.3 14.9 14.7 12.3 10.1 5.2 1.3 8.37
      1854 3.6 4.3 6.7 9.2 10.3 13.2 15.4 15.2 14.4 9.4 4.9 5.1 9.31
      1855 2.4 -1.7 3.3 7.1 8.8 13.3 16.8 15.7 13.2 9.7 5.3 2.4 8.02
      1856 3.7 5.3 4.4 8.1 9.4 13.5 15.3 16.9 12.5 10.7 4.8 4.4 9.08
      1857 2.6 4.3 5.3 7.5 11.3 15.8 16.4 17.4 14.5 11.3 7.2 7.3 10.07
      1858 3.4 1.8 4.9 7.7 10.8 16.8 14.8 15.8 14.7 9.6 4.3 4.8 9.12
      1859 4.9 5.7 7.3 7.5 11.7 14.8 18.3 16.2 12.9 9.6 4.8 1.6 9.61
      1860 3.5 1.7 4.7 5.9 11.5 12.3 14.5 13.6 11.2 9.8 4.5 1.5 7.89
      1861 1.7 4.9 6.3 7.5 10.4 14.8 15.0 15.9 13.1 11.8 4.2 3.9 9.13
      1862 3.9 5.1 5.5 8.8 12.3 12.7 14.2 14.6 13.0 10.3 3.2 6.5 9.17
      1863 4.9 5.8 6.5 8.8 10.6 13.6 15.2 15.5 11.6 9.9 7.3 6.3 9.67
      1864 2.4 2.3 4.7 8.8 12.4 13.6 15.5 14.2 13.3 9.8 5.5 3.7 8.85
      1865 2.1 2.3 2.9 10.6 12.6 15.6 16.6 15.1 16.3 9.7 6.7 5.8 9.69
      1866 5.8 4.4 4.8 8.6 10.0 15.5 15.5 14.7 12.8 10.7 6.9 6.1 9.65
      1867 1.2 6.9 3.1 9.3 11.4 14.1 14.9 16.3 13.6 9.3 4.8 3.4 9.02
      1868 3.9 6.3 6.8 8.7 13.5 15.5 18.3 16.8 14.3 8.4 4.9 7.2 10.38
      1869 5.6 7.5 3.8 10.1 9.6 13.2 17.3 15.5 14.4 9.7 5.8 2.9 9.62
      1870 3.3 2.8 4.7 9.2 11.7 15.2 17.5 15.7 12.9 9.5 4.7 0.6 8.98
      1871 0.5 6.1 7.3 8.7 11.3 12.8 15.2 17.2 12.7 9.8 3.4 3.6 9.05
      1872 5.0 6.9 6.8 8.2 9.7 14.1 17.1 15.3 13.2 8.4 7.0 5.3 9.75
      1873 5.2 1.8 5.4 7.7 9.9 14.2 16.2 15.4 11.8 8.6 6.3 5.3 8.98
      1874 5.5 3.9 6.7 9.8 10.0 13.9 17.3 15.1 13.6 10.4 5.6 -0.2 9.30
      1875 6.4 2.3 5.1 8.6 12.3 14.2 14.8 16.1 14.9 8.9 5.4 4.2 9.43
      1876 3.2 4.8 4.5 7.9 9.6 14.3 17.2 16.5 12.7 11.3 6.1 6.0 9.51
      1877 5.5 6.2 4.9 7.0 9.1 15.2 14.7 15.2 11.2 9.3 7.1 4.7 9.17
      1878 4.6 5.6 5.4 8.9 11.8 15.1 16.6 16.2 13.3 10.2 3.5 -0.3 9.24
      1879 -0.7 3.1 4.7 5.7 8.9 12.9 13.6 14.5 12.6 8.9 4.1 0.7 7.42
      1880 0.9 5.8 6.2 7.9 10.4 13.8 15.5 16.4 14.6 7.1 5.4 5.1 9.09
      1881 -1.5 3.2 5.3 7.3 11.8 13.7 16.2 13.9 12.7 7.3 8.9 3.9 8.56
      1882 5.2 6.1 7.4 8.4 11.5 13.1 15.2 14.9 12.1 9.9 5.7 3.9 9.45
      1883 4.7 5.9 1.9 8.1 10.6 13.9 14.5 15.3 13.3 9.7 5.8 4.6 9.02
      1884 6.5 5.3 6.5 7.2 11.3 14.1 16.3 17.2 14.5 9.4 5.3 4.4 9.83
      1885 2.9 5.8 4.5 7.7 8.9 13.9 16.3 13.6 12.2 7.5 5.9 3.7 8.57
      1886 2.1 1.5 4.2 7.6 10.3 13.6 15.9 15.8 13.6 11.3 6.6 1.9 8.70
      1887 2.4 3.8 3.3 6.2 9.4 15.3 17.3 15.7 11.8 7.1 4.4 2.6 8.27
      1888 3.2 1.8 3.1 6.2 10.7 13.2 13.7 14.1 12.2 7.9 7.7 4.9 8.22
      1889 3.4 2.9 4.7 7.1 12.9 15.3 15.3 14.7 12.8 8.6 6.9 3.3 8.99
      1890 5.7 3.1 6.2 7.1 11.7 13.5 14.5 14.1 14.6 9.4 5.7 -0.8 8.73
      1891 1.3 3.9 3.8 6.2 9.5 14.7 15.1 14.1 14.2 9.4 5.6 4.1 8.49
      1892 2.3 3.6 2.7 7.3 11.6 13.4 14.3 15.2 12.4 7.1 6.4 1.8 8.17
      1893 2.2 4.7 7.2 10.3 13.1 15.6 16.4 17.4 12.9 9.9 5.2 4.8 9.97
      1894 3.4 5.1 6.7 9.7 9.2 13.5 15.9 14.2 11.6 9.3 7.9 5.1 9.30
      1895 0.2 -1.8 5.1 8.2 12.4 14.8 15.2 15.8 15.4 7.1 7.5 3.9 8.65
      1896 4.8 4.6 6.7 9.1 11.9 16.2 16.2 14.3 13.1 6.9 4.3 3.9 9.33
      1897 1.6 5.8 6.5 7.1 10.0 15.1 16.5 16.2 12.1 9.9 7.6 4.7 9.42
      1898 6.6 4.8 4.3 8.5 10.2 13.6 15.3 16.5 15.2 11.3 7.2 7.3 10.07
      1899 4.9 5.1 5.1 7.8 9.9 15.7 17.3 17.8 13.2 8.8 8.5 2.2 9.69
      1900 4.4 2.6 3.7 8.3 10.3 14.7 17.7 15.1 13.6 9.8 7.3 7.2 9.56
      1901 3.5 2.3 4.1 8.6 11.5 13.9 18.0 15.6 13.9 9.7 4.8 3.4 9.11
      1902 4.7 1.5 6.7 7.5 8.9 13.9 14.7 14.3 12.8 9.6 6.8 4.6 8.83
      1903 4.2 7.1 7.1 6.4 11.1 13.0 15.3 14.3 13.1 10.5 6.4 3.3 9.32
      1904 4.1 3.4 4.3 8.7 10.9 13.3 17.1 15.1 12.5 9.7 5.2 3.7 9.00
      1905 3.6 5.2 6.8 7.3 10.8 14.7 17.2 14.7 12.4 7.1 4.9 4.9 9.13
      1906 5.3 3.1 5.1 7.3 10.5 14.3 15.8 16.7 13.9 10.9 7.3 3.0 9.43
      1907 3.6 2.8 6.3 7.6 10.5 12.4 14.1 14.3 13.6 9.8 6.5 4.6 8.84
      1908 2.5 5.3 4.3 6.0 12.4 14.3 15.8 14.6 12.9 11.8 7.4 3.9 9.27
      1909 3.5 2.9 3.7 8.7 11.0 11.8 14.6 15.4 11.9 10.4 4.8 3.9 8.55
      1910 3.5 5.1 6.1 7.3 11.2 14.7 14.2 15.2 12.5 10.6 3.2 6.4 9.17
      1911 3.8 4.8 5.2 7.5 12.9 14.5 18.2 18.2 13.9 9.3 6.1 6.2 10.05
      1912 3.6 5.4 7.2 8.8 12.1 13.9 16.1 12.9 11.1 8.2 6.3 6.7 9.36
      1913 4.5 4.8 6.2 8.1 11.4 14.3 14.6 15.2 14.1 10.9 8.4 5.1 9.80
      1914 3.7 6.8 6.1 9.8 10.8 14.5 15.8 16.1 13.3 10.3 6.8 4.6 9.88
      1915 4.1 4.3 5.2 7.9 10.8 14.4 14.6 15.3 13.4 9.1 2.8 5.3 8.93
      1916 7.5 3.8 3.3 8.2 11.6 11.8 15.3 16.4 13.0 10.6 6.8 1.9 9.18
      1917 1.6 0.9 3.2 5.4 12.8 15.2 16.1 15.3 14.0 7.5 7.8 2.3 8.51
      1918 3.8 6.5 5.7 6.7 13.0 13.3 15.4 16.1 11.9 9.3 5.5 6.9 9.51
      1919 2.9 1.9 3.6 7.1 13.5 14.3 13.9 15.7 12.7 7.4 3.3 5.5 8.48
      1920 5.2 6.0 7.2 8.2 11.8 14.4 14.1 13.6 13.0 10.4 6.8 4.2 9.57
      1921 7.3 4.8 7.4 8.0 11.5 14.7 18.5 15.4 14.1 12.8 4.6 6.5 10.47
      1922 3.7 4.4 4.6 5.5 12.7 13.8 13.7 13.6 12.2 8.2 5.9 5.8 8.67
      1923 5.6 5.6 6.5 7.6 9.2 12.5 17.5 15.2 12.5 9.7 3.3 3.8 9.08
      1924 4.7 3.3 4.1 6.9 11.6 13.9 15.3 14.1 13.3 10.1 7.1 6.8 9.27
      1925 5.3 5.2 4.9 7.5 11.6 15.0 16.8 15.4 11.5 10.4 3.6 2.8 9.17
      1926 4.6 6.8 6.3 9.3 10.2 13.6 17.1 16.2 14.4 8.1 5.9 4.2 9.72
      1927 4.6 3.9 7.3 7.9 11.2 12.6 15.9 15.7 12.5 10.5 6.2 2.1 9.20
      1928 5.2 5.8 6.3 8.5 10.9 12.9 16.1 15.3 12.8 10.1 7.6 3.4 9.57
      1929 1.3 0.4 6.2 6.8 11.3 13.3 16.0 15.4 15.3 9.6 6.7 5.8 9.01
      1930 5.6 2.5 5.3 8.3 10.7 15.3 15.2 15.7 13.6 10.5 6.2 4.3 9.43
      1931 3.2 3.9 4.2 7.7 11.4 14.4 15.3 14.4 11.5 8.8 7.8 5.3 8.99
      1932 6.3 2.9 4.7 6.9 10.5 14.1 16.1 17.1 12.9 8.8 6.6 5.7 9.38
      1933 2.2 4.3 7.3 8.8 12.2 15.6 17.8 17.6 14.9 10.1 5.6 1.6 9.83
      1934 4.1 3.8 4.8 8.0 11.3 14.9 18.2 15.4 14.6 10.6 6.1 8.1 9.99
      1935 4.5 5.8 6.6 8.2 9.9 15.1 17.1 16.6 13.6 9.5 6.9 2.8 9.72
      1936 3.7 2.6 7.1 6.3 11.5 14.7 15.3 16.1 14.4 9.4 5.5 5.3 9.32
      1937 5.2 5.6 3.6 9.2 12.2 14.1 16.1 16.9 13.4 10.4 5.1 3.0 9.57
      1938 5.7 5.1 9.1 7.6 10.7 14.4 15.2 16.3 13.8 10.5 9.4 4.4 10.18
      1939 4.2 5.6 5.8 8.8 11.4 14.2 15.5 16.4 14.2 8.2 8.7 3.2 9.68
      1940 -1.4 2.6 6.0 8.7 12.5 16.4 15.1 15.6 12.8 9.6 6.9 3.8 9.05
      1941 0.5 3.5 5.1 6.4 9.4 15.1 17.3 14.7 14.5 10.4 6.6 5.6 9.09
      1942 0.9 0.1 5.2 9.2 11.1 14.4 15.5 16.6 13.6 10.4 4.9 6.7 9.05
      1943 4.9 6.1 6.5 10.5 11.8 14.4 16.4 16.1 13.3 10.6 6.3 3.5 10.03
      1944 5.8 3.6 5.2 10.2 11.4 13.5 16.5 17.0 12.5 9.3 6.2 3.6 9.57
      1945 0.4 7.1 7.9 10.1 12.2 14.6 16.7 15.9 14.4 11.9 7.2 4.9 10.27
      1946 2.7 5.9 5.1 9.9 10.7 13.1 16.3 14.7 14.0 9.8 8.1 3.1 9.45
      1947 2.2 -1.9 3.6 8.6 13.5 15.5 17.0 18.6 14.9 10.6 7.2 5.1 9.57
      1948 5.4 4.7 8.3 9.0 11.4 13.5 15.8 15.1 13.8 10.1 7.3 5.7 10.01
      1949 5.5 5.7 5.1 10.0 11.2 15.3 17.4 16.8 16.3 11.7 6.6 5.8 10.62
      1950 4.2 5.3 7.4 7.6 11.3 16.2 15.9 15.6 12.9 9.6 5.7 1.2 9.41
      1951 3.9 3.7 4.1 6.8 10.1 14.0 16.3 14.8 14.1 9.4 8.5 5.5 9.27
      1952 2.7 3.4 6.6 9.6 13.4 14.4 16.8 15.8 10.7 8.8 4.2 2.8 9.10
      1953 3.3 4.3 5.6 7.3 12.6 14.4 15.5 16.2 13.8 9.7 8.5 6.9 9.84
      1954 2.9 2.6 5.8 7.6 11.2 13.4 14.2 14.6 12.7 11.9 6.9 6.8 9.22
      1955 2.6 1.2 3.2 9.3 9.7 13.8 17.7 18.1 14.2 9.2 7.0 5.4 9.28
      1956 3.6 -0.2 6.2 6.9 11.7 13.1 15.8 13.5 14.3 9.4 6.0 5.7 8.83
      1957 5.5 5.3 9.2 8.9 10.3 15.2 16.3 15.4 12.5 10.8 6.4 4.5 10.02
      1958 3.4 4.7 3.7 7.4 11.1 14.1 15.9 15.8 15.1 10.8 6.4 4.7 9.42
      1959 1.6 4.4 7.3 9.4 12.8 15.2 17.3 17.2 14.9 12.6 7.1 6.0 10.48
      1960 3.8 4.1 6.4 8.9 12.8 16.1 15.1 15.0 13.1 10.3 7.3 3.9 9.73
      1961 3.9 6.9 8.2 10.0 11.0 14.4 15.2 15.4 15.2 10.9 6.0 2.2 9.94
      1962 4.3 4.4 2.8 7.7 10.3 13.7 15.1 14.5 12.6 10.4 5.5 1.8 8.59
      1963 -2.1 -0.7 6.0 8.7 10.6 14.9 15.2 14.3 12.9 11.1 8.2 2.6 8.47
      1964 3.4 4.5 4.3 8.7 13.3 13.8 16.1 15.5 14.1 8.9 7.4 3.6 9.47
      1965 3.3 3.1 5.2 8.0 11.7 14.7 14.0 14.9 12.3 11.0 4.5 4.7 8.95
      1966 2.9 5.7 6.5 7.2 11.0 15.4 15.0 14.7 13.8 10.1 5.6 5.5 9.45
      1967 4.5 5.4 7.0 7.7 10.4 14.0 16.7 15.7 13.5 10.8 5.4 4.2 9.61
      1968 4.4 1.9 6.3 8.1 9.8 14.8 15.0 15.4 13.9 12.5 6.5 3.0 9.30
      1969 5.5 1.0 3.3 7.4 11.2 13.9 16.8 16.4 13.9 13.0 5.4 3.3 9.26
      1970 3.7 2.9 3.7 6.7 13.0 16.4 15.2 16.0 14.4 10.7 7.8 4.3 9.57
      1971 4.5 4.5 4.9 7.9 11.6 12.4 16.9 15.6 14.0 11.3 6.0 6.6 9.68
      1972 3.9 4.3 6.5 8.2 10.5 11.8 15.6 15.1 11.7 10.6 6.3 5.8 9.19
      1973 4.5 4.3 6.2 7.0 11.4 14.8 15.6 16.5 14.3 9.0 6.0 4.9 9.54
      1974 5.9 5.4 5.8 8.2 11.0 13.9 15.2 15.2 12.1 7.8 6.8 8.1 9.62
      1975 6.8 4.4 4.8 8.3 9.9 14.7 17.4 18.7 13.5 9.9 6.3 5.3 10.00
      1976 5.9 4.5 4.8 8.1 12.1 17.0 18.7 17.6 13.4 10.6 6.3 2.0 10.08
      1977 2.8 5.2 6.9 7.2 10.6 12.2 15.9 15.2 13.3 11.8 6.6 6.1 9.48
      1978 3.4 2.8 6.7 6.5 11.7 13.7 14.8 15.0 14.2 11.9 8.5 3.9 9.42
      1979 -0.4 1.2 4.7 7.8 10.0 13.9 16.2 14.9 13.5 11.3 6.8 5.8 8.81
      1980 2.3 5.7 4.7 8.8 11.2 13.8 14.7 15.9 14.7 9.0 6.6 5.6 9.42
      1981 4.9 3.0 7.9 7.8 11.2 13.2 15.5 16.2 14.5 8.6 7.8 0.3 9.24
      1982 2.6 4.8 6.1 8.6 11.6 15.5 16.5 15.7 14.2 10.1 8.0 4.4 9.84
      1983 6.7 1.7 6.4 6.8 10.3 14.4 19.5 17.3 13.7 10.5 7.5 5.6 10.03
      1984 3.8 3.3 4.7 8.1 9.9 14.5 16.9 17.6 13.7 11.1 8.0 5.2 9.73
      1985 0.8 2.1 4.7 8.3 10.9 12.7 16.2 14.6 14.6 11.0 4.1 6.3 8.86
      1986 3.5 -1.1 4.9 5.8 11.1 14.8 15.9 13.7 11.3 11.0 7.8 6.2 8.74
      1987 0.8 3.6 4.1 10.3 10.1 12.8 15.9 15.6 13.6 9.7 6.5 5.6 9.05
      1988 5.3 4.9 6.4 8.2 11.9 14.4 14.7 15.2 13.2 10.4 5.2 7.5 9.77
      1989 6.1 5.9 7.5 6.6 13.0 14.6 18.2 16.6 14.7 11.7 6.2 4.9 10.50
      1990 6.5 7.3 8.3 8.0 12.6 13.6 16.9 18.0 13.2 11.9 6.9 4.3 10.63
      1991 3.3 1.5 7.9 7.9 10.8 12.1 17.3 17.1 14.7 10.2 6.8 4.7 9.52
      1992 3.7 5.4 7.5 8.7 13.6 15.7 16.2 15.3 13.4 7.8 7.4 3.6 9.86
      1993 5.9 4.6 6.7 9.5 11.4 15.0 15.2 14.6 12.4 8.5 4.6 5.5 9.49
      1994 5.3 3.2 7.7 8.1 10.7 14.5 18.0 16.0 12.7 10.2 10.1 6.4 10.24
      1995 4.8 6.5 5.6 9.1 11.6 14.3 18.6 19.2 13.7 12.9 7.7 2.3 10.52
      1996 4.3 2.5 4.5 8.5 9.1 14.4 16.5 16.5 13.6 11.7 5.9 2.9 9.20
      1997 2.5 6.7 8.4 9.0 11.5 14.1 16.7 18.9 14.2 10.2 8.4 5.8 10.53
      1998 5.2 7.3 7.9 7.7 13.1 14.2 15.5 15.9 14.9 10.6 6.2 5.5 10.34
      1999 5.5 5.3 7.4 9.4 12.9 13.9 17.7 16.1 15.6 10.7 7.9 5.0 10.63
      2000 4.9 6.3 7.6 7.8 12.1 15.1 15.5 16.6 14.7 10.3 7.0 5.8 10.30
      2001 3.2 4.4 5.2 7.7 12.6 14.3 17.2 16.8 13.4 13.3 7.5 3.6 9.93
      2002 5.5 7.0 7.6 9.3 11.8 14.4 16.0 17.0 14.4 10.1 8.5 5.7 10.60
      2003 4.5 3.9 7.5 9.6 12.1 16.1 17.6 18.3 14.3 9.2 8.1 4.8 10.50
      2004 5.2 5.4 6.5 9.4 12.1 15.3 15.8 17.6 14.9 10.5 7.7 5.4 10.48
      2005 6.0 4.3 7.2 8.9 11.4 15.5 16.9 16.2 15.2 13.1 6.2 4.4 10.44
      2006 4.3 3.7 4.9 8.6 12.3 15.9 19.7 16.1 16.8 13.0 8.1 6.5 10.82
      2007 7.0 5.8 7.2 11.2 11.9 15.1 15.2 15.4 13.8 10.9 7.3 4.9 10.48
      2008 6.6 5.4 6.1 7.9 13.4 13.9 16.2 16.2 13.5 9.7 7.0 3.5 9.96
      2009 3.0 4.1 7.0 10.0 12.1 14.8 16.1 16.6 14.2 11.6 8.7 3.1 10.11
      2010 1.4 2.8 6.1 8.8 10.7 15.2 17.1 15.3 13.8 10.3 5.2 -0.7 8.83
      2011 3.7 6.4 6.7 11.8 12.2 13.8 15.2 15.4 15.1 12.6 9.6 6.0 10.70
      2012 5.4 3.8 8.3 7.2 11.7 13.5 15.5 16.6 13.0 9.7 6.8 4.8 9.70
      2013 3.5 3.2 2.7 7.5 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.99

      (Trying to put people to sleep?) MOD

    • The scroll and even the “down the page” arrow on my keyboard was vastly more efficient than the “read more” click button to see your important data Tom.

      • Clicking the mouse to “read more” is very time consuming. Easier to just scroll to the important data.

  27. OK…….I found my recent comment after a few minutes delay which is heartening. However, I go with another poster’s comments in saying that the new format looks “busy” and the posting box at the top only is a real pain and bound to cause problems of multiple redundant comments! Personally, I preferred the old format but I realise you’re trying to improve things. Keep up the good work, sir! Thanks!

  28. Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …

    Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

    — JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)

    Don Knuth had a similar quote.

    Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.

    Sandy, Minister of Future

  29. For evidence of ‘tipping points’ is utter nonsense see the complete political BS put out by the likes of CS Goldsmith here.. This sort of junk is what the deranged rich and powerful wish everyone to believe so that they can profit from your ignorant compliance.
    If this is the same CS Goldsmith that works at CDC then shame on him, as he should be able to think logically, not just emote on Malthusian themes. It just goes to show that there is a tipping point, and it has tipped over in some peoples’ ability to think rationally, scientifically, or even logically.

  30. People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
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    They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat. While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
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    Very cute little killers in training.
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    Sandy, Minister of Future

  31. Looking back at some past comments, the text of href type links seems to have disappeared. A space remains, and if you click on the space, it links. But the anchor text has gone.

  32. Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …
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    Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

    — JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)
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    Don Knuth had a similar quote.
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    Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.
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    Sandy, Minister of Future

  33. Getting involved on this thread has caused a bit of confusion to me, the dog, probably the neighbors cat and maybe even firefox. Anyone else? >?>??>?> Edited edition is same as original except for this edit.

  34. Open Thread test:

    Climate Change Has Run Its Course
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876

    By Steven F. Hayward
    June 4, 2018 6:54 p.m. ET
    101 COMMENTS

    Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

    Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

    A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.

    The descent of climate change into the abyss of social-justice identity politics represents the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality. Climate alarm is like a car alarm—a blaring noise people are tuning out.

    This outcome was predictable. Political scientist Anthony Downs described the downward trajectory of many political movements in an article for the Public Interest, “Up and Down With Ecology: The ‘Issue-Attention Cycle,’ ” published in 1972, long before the climate-change campaign began. Observing the movements that had arisen to address issues like crime, poverty and even the U.S.-Soviet space race, Mr. Downs discerned a five-stage cycle through which political issues pass regularly.

    The first stage involves groups of experts and activists calling attention to a public problem, which leads quickly to the second stage, wherein the alarmed media and political class discover the issue. The second stage typically includes a large amount of euphoric enthusiasm—you might call it the “dopamine” stage—as activists conceive the issue in terms of global peril and salvation. This tendency explains the fanaticism with which divinity-school dropouts Al Gore and Jerry Brown have warned of climate change.

    Then comes the third stage: the hinge. As Mr. Downs explains, there soon comes “a gradually spreading realization that the cost of ‘solving’ the problem is very high indeed.” That’s where we’ve been since the United Nations’ traveling climate circus committed itself to the fanatical mission of massive near-term reductions in fossil fuel consumption, codified in unrealistic proposals like the Kyoto Protocol. This third stage, Mr. Downs continues, “becomes almost imperceptibly transformed into the fourth stage: a gradual decline in the intensity of public interest in the problem.”

    Read more at:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876?mod=nwsrl_review_outlook_u_s_&cx_refModule=nwsrl

  35. Thanks Anthony! The update looks great! Congrats all around.

    Also – an off-topic request (apologies): can you place the Search function in the Main menu? I’m not sure how to search for older posts

  36. Sorry Anthony, but your new system completely trashed this entry adn probably every other entry I’ve made on wattsup – typically deleting url’s in a random manner so the article often makes no sense.

    Here I have changed http to https and will comment on the results.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/speculative-climate-chaos-v-indisputable-fossil-fuel-benefits/#comment-2369403

    Notes for Judge Alsup – I’ve added a few points to my 2008 and 2015 papers.

    Regards, Allan

    PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTING TEMPERATURE DRIVES ATMOSPHERIC CO2 MORE THAN CO2 DRIVES TEMPERATURE
    By Allan M.R. MacRae, P.Eng., June 13, 2015
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/13/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/

    Observations and Conclusions:

    1. Temperature, among other factors, drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature. The rate of change dCO2/dt is closely correlated with temperature and thus atmospheric CO2 LAGS temperature by ~9 months in the modern data record. The rate of change dCO2/dt vs. temperature plot follows:

    https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1979/mean:12/derivative/plot/uah5/from:1979/scale:0.22/offset:0.14

    2. CO2 also lags temperature by ~~800 years in the ice core record, on a longer time scale.

    3. Atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales.

    4. CO2 is the feedstock for carbon-based life on Earth, and Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are clearly CO2-deficient. CO2 abatement and sequestration schemes are nonsense.

    5. Based on the evidence, Earth’s climate is insensitive to increased atmospheric CO2 – there is no global warming crisis.

    6. Recent global warming was natural and irregularly cyclical – the next climate phase following the ~20 year pause will probably be global cooling, starting by ~2020 or sooner.

    7. Adaptation is clearly the best approach to deal with the moderate global warming and cooling experienced in recent centuries.

    8. Cool and cold weather kills many more people than warm or hot weather, even in warm climates. There are about 100,000 Excess Winter Deaths every year in the USA and about 10,000 in Canada.

    9. Green energy schemes have needlessly driven up energy costs, reduced electrical grid reliability and contributed to increased winter mortality, which especially targets the elderly and the poor.

    10. Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of modern society. When politicians fool with energy systems, real people suffer and die. That is the tragic legacy of false global warming alarmism.

    Allan MacRae, Calgary, June 12, 2015

    References:

    “CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING:
    THE FUTURE CAN NOT CAUSE THE PAST”
    By Allan MacRae, January 2008
    https://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
    Spreadsheet at
    https://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRaeFig5b.xls

    “COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER“
    By Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
    https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf

    ________________________________________________________________________

    ADDENDA:

    A. RE POINT #1 ABOVE: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ~9-MONTH CO2 LAG AND THE AVERAGE ~36-MONTH TEMPERATURE CYCLE IN THE EQUATORIAL PACIFIC.

    Introduction:

    I proved in January 2008 that the rate-of-change dCO2/dt varies ~contemporaneously with global atmospheric temperature, and its integral the atmospheric CO2 trend lags temperature by ~9 months.
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
    – See Figures 1 and 3

    The integral of a sine curve lags the sine curve by 90 degrees, which equals 1/4 of the 360 degree full cycle.

    CO2 lags temperature by about 9 months, therefore this total cycle time should be about 4×9 = 36 months.

    Hypothesis:
    This approx. 36 month cycle is the Equatorial Pacific Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Cycle and the Global Temperature cycle.

    Equatorial Pacific Ocean SST’s and global atmospheric temperatures have a natural temperature cycle (peak-to-peak) averaging about 36 months peak-to-peak.
    For example, based on UAH LT temperature peaks, the mean cycle is 36.3 months and the lag is 9.1 months vs the approx. 9 months in my 2008 icecap.us paper.

    The above Hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

    B. GLOBAL ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERATURES CLOSELY FOLLOW EQUATORIAL PACIFIC OCEAN TEMPERATURES WITH A 4-to-6 MONTH LAG

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/28/solar-activity-flatlines-weakest-solar-cycle-in-200-years/comment-page-1/#comment-2803244

    Summary:

    The Equatorial Pacific Ocean has a natural Sea Surface Temperature cycle averaging about 36 months peak-to-peak.

    Equatorial average air temperature and humidity follow Equatorial Pacific Ocean temperature – about 3 months after the Nino34 SST Anomaly and about 5 months after the East Equatorial Upper Ocean Temperature Anomaly.

    Global average air temperature follows Equatorial average air temperature and humidity about 1 month later – about 4 months after the Nino34 SST Anomaly and about 6 months after the East Equatorial Upper Ocean Temperature Anomaly.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1458004480943776&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1618235531587336&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

    Notes:
    “Sato” is an adjustment for the Sato Global Mean Optical Depth Index – the volcanic atmospheric aerosol index.
    Formula: UAHLTcalc Global (Anom. in degC) = 0.20*Nino3.4IndexAnom (four months earlier) + 0.15 – 8*SatoGlobalMeanOpticalDepthIndex
    Data: Sato Global Mean Aerosol Optical Depth at 550 nm https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/strataer/tau.line_2012.12.txt

    C: ALSO RE POINT #1 ABOVE: HUMLUM ET AL REACHED SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS IN 2013:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

    “Highlights:
    – Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.
    – Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5–10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.
    – Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.
    – Changes in ocean temperatures explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.
    – Changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.”

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1551019291642294&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

    D. CONCLUSIONS:

    I suggest that the global warming alarmists could not be more wrong. These are the true facts, which are opposite to their alarmist claims:

    1. CO2 is plant food, and greater atmospheric CO2 is good for natural plants and also for agriculture.

    2. Earth’s atmosphere is clearly CO2-deficient and the current increase in CO2 (whatever the causes) is net strongly beneficial.

    3. Increased atmospheric CO2 does not cause significant global warming – regrettable because the world is too cold and about to get colder.

    Regards to all, Allan

    • If you click on “Read More”,
      then it displays it correctly with all the HTML format embeds.

    • Hi again Anthony and Moderators:

      I changed all http to https and your new Comments system still deleted many urls, while displaying some of them.

      Also, most of the url’s that did appear did not work but instead displayed error messages.

      If it helps to diagnose problems, let me know and I will email you the full post – it is difficult to diagnose here because parts of it are just gone – url’s deleted – and most of the url’s that do appear no longer work – instead get error messages.

      So my original comment stands – this post is trashed by your new Comments system – and probably also every other long post I have made on wattsup, where I often support my claims and/or shorten my posts with supporting url’s.

      If I am doing something wrong then let me know – but I have to assume that all my previous long posts that include url’s have been similarly trashed.

      Best personal regards, Allan

      List of Deleted url’s
      Deleted 1 url just above Notes for Judge Alsup
      Deleted 1 url just below By Allan M.R. MacRae, P.Eng., June 13, 2015
      Deleted 1 url in Section B just above Summary
      Deleted 2 url’s in Section B just above Notes
      Deleted 1 url in Section C just above Highlights
      Deleted 1 url in Section C just above d. CONCLUSIONS
      The Deleted url’s typically appear as blank vertical spaces

      List of other problems
      woodfortrees url is visible but no longer displays figure when you click on it – instead you get an error message
      3 icecap url’s are visible but do not work – get an error message 404 Not Found

      The may be a few more issues but my brain hurts – time to go kick the (fictitious) cat again.

  37. Prior to the transfer I did not have to allow any scripts to read the site.
    Now I have to allow scripts from wattsupwiththat.com and netdna-ssl.com to get images to display.
    Using Privacy Badger I note ove the last couple of hours a steady increase of sites tracking users of this site.

  38. Anthony,
    At your suggestion, I’m trying the new comment editor. Let’s see if I’m given the opportunity to do post-comment editing;
    Yes, post-comment editing seems to be working for me now. It even allowed me to do it twice.

  39. * this was my 1st post … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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    Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …
    .
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    Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

    — JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)
    .
    .
    Don Knuth had a similar quote.
    .
    .
    Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.
    .
    .
    Sandy, Minister of Future

  40. * this was my 2nd post … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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    People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
    .
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    They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat.
    While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
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    Very cute little killers in training.
    .
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    Sandy, Minister of Future

  41. Hate it so far Anthony, but maybe I just don’t understand all the features.

    How do you record a link in your own records to your post so you can refer to or find your post later?

    So far this system has trashed my older posts, dropping urls irregularly, messing up line spacing, paragraphs, figures, etc.

    It has features I will never use, and drops the ones I do use.

    Apologies – this has put me in a really bad mood – I think I will now go and kick the cat.

    • How do you record a link in your own records to your post so you can refer to or find your post later?

      There is an icon to the right of your name representing two links in a chain.
      Click it, then try to navigate around the stupid social networking icons that pop up over the URL so that you get get a cursor on the URL,
      then swipe the URL with your mouse, copy it,
      paste it into your address bar and save it as favorite/bookmark.

      .e.g: direct link to your comment:
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/open-thread-trying-out-a-new-comment-system/#comment-2370223

      addendum: – the messed up formatting in old comments is restored when you expand the comment.

    • Gosh you are being difficult. Link icon is in the upper right has permanent URL for the comment. As for your dislikes, well sorry, can’t please everybody.

      I see no evidence your comments are being trashed, none at all.

  42. Anthony:

    Two points,

    a) I frequently receive duplicate emails to the same address (see below)
    b) much prefer reading on the iPhone WordPress app but since the change, all I see is just the first paragraph of the post and nothing more. Will this be fixed?

    Did you see the editorial in this week’s Oil & Gas Journal (4th June), I’d send you a link if I knew how. Very good article about the struggle between Alberta and BC over the way the central government have, essentially nationalised the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline project after it was blocked by the activist (propped up by greens) government in BC? It’d be worth a comment on WUWT.

    Cheers

  43. Hello all.
    buy a boat, drink a beer, sing a song, make a friend.
    Kenny Chesney’s “Get Along”

    All seems to be well in WUWT land.
    [Win-10 & Edge]

  44. * this was my 2nd post … 3rd try to close, reopen … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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    People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
    .
    .
    They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat.
    While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
    .
    .
    Very cute little killers in training.
    .
    .
    Sandy, Minister of Future

    • Not good news for those of us looking forward to the warming we were promised;

      Can I get a refund from Al Bore ?

      ( thanks for edit, much better.
      any possibility of numbered posts ? )

  45. Testing a tweet link…

    First, here’s what the link looks like (mobile version, with some zero-width spaces inserted so WordPress won’t recognize it as a URL):

    https​:​/​/​mobile.​twitter.​com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    This is the mobile version:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    This is the non-mobile version (same URL as mobile version, but with the “mobile.” deleted):

    https://twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    Well, that’s not good. ☹️
     

    Hmmm… it doesn’t update the URL in the address bar, either, though I guess the link symbol 🔗 feature is almost as good.
     

    “ ” works properly to add an extra line of space—that’s a good thing—one of my favorite little formatting tricks, in fact.

  46. OK, I’ll use this opportunity to ask a question I always want to ask.
    Am I wrong in the following statement about Einstein’s equivalence principle — and, if so, where I am wrong?

    Rocket acceleration and gravitational acceleration are different things, there is no equivalence between them if the observer uses precision plumb lines and atomic clocks. If one installs three plumb lines on the ceiling of the windowless experimental chamber, and two atomic clocks, one on the ceiling and one on the floor of the same experimental chamber, under rocket acceleration of 1g plumb lines will be parallel, and atomic clocks will be synchronous. Under gravitational acceleration of 1g plumb lines will point at the center of the mass (not parallel), and the atomic clock on the ceiling will be ahead of the clock on the floor.

    Where’s equivalence here?

    P.S. Editing works!

    • The atomic clocks are each experiencing different accelerations because their distance r to the center of the Earth is different. The clock closer to the center has more acceleration due to gravity on it, and thus it runs slower.
      If you saw the movie Interstellar, they use this trick where 3 astronauts go into deep gravity well planet for only a few hours by their clock, yet their companion who stays outside the well ages like 15 years.
      Atomic clocks exeriencing the same force due to gravitational acceleration will not measure any time dilation due to differences in how fast they tick. And if that force is due to linear (or centripetal) acceleration, the clock will not show any delta t.

      Centripetal acceleration also has GR effects known as frame dragging. Frame dragging has been observationally verified with satellites and I think in paired magnetars.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging

      What you are describing is tidal force. WIth those two clocks spaced at different r from center of Earth, thus the force due to gravity is different, and solid objects get stretched (because they are extended bodies) by tidal forces and not mathematical points.

      Black holes with sharp event horizons “spaghetti-fy’s” matter as it enters due to tidal stretching. Not pretty if you are an astronaut approaching the event horizon. An extremely massive black hole though the tidal forces may be so low that matter can survive event horizon passage. No one in this universe knows what comes next.

    • As far as the difference in line spacing between plumb lines at the top and at the bottom near the plumb, that has nothing to do with GR. One problem with your experimental setup is the top bar the strings are attached to is linear, not curved. So the center line is closer to the ground than the two outer lines, unless you curve the top bar to the produce the same r from the center of Earth. The lines still would not be parallel though. That is the geometry of the forces.

      Importantly though the tension (force) on all three strings though is equivalent if the plumb bob masses are equivalent whether the acceleration is due to gravity or linear acceleration.

      • Thank you very much for your explanation.
        Since the pace of time indicated by atomic clocks depends on the distance from the center of mass, there is a difference in their readings. In the case of rocket acceleration there would be no such difference. Therefore, there is an experimental way to determine the nature of acceleration (gravitational vs. rocket-produced)? Even if there are no other means to observe or establish this result (in otherwise identical conditions)? Do I understand it correctly?

    • I didn’t see where she knows when to keep her mouth shut or when to cut the grass.,.,.,.,.,. first edit 1:44 ,.,,.,…,. second edit 1:46,.,.,,.,. second edit edit 1:48t,..,….,, fourth edit just playing with the observer on tab# 2,…,,.,., last edit to tell observer on tab #2 that there have in fact been no edits!

      • I am certain that in the above comment eyesonu tab#1 was playing edit tricks on eyesonu tab#2 by changing the comment repeatedly. eyesonu tab#2 could not respond ’cause the comment kept changing every time he ‘refreshed’. eyesonu tab#2 was not going to play eyesonu tab1’s game.

        Just think …. flexible, movable goal posts and everyone gets to move them. Let’s have a new game called “Goal posts you can’t believe in because everyone is moving them”. Give me an Ouija board for confidence.

  47. Ugh!

    I tried to post a long comment, a reply to my own comment. It didn’t seem to work. It did the “Knight Rider back-and-forth wait thing” and then… nothing. I was still looking at the bottom half of my long comment.

    Tried a few more times, with the same result.

    Eventually I scrolled up in just time to see a very brief error message at the top of my comment, which was just disappearing as I glimpsed it:

        We are sorry, but this comment cannot be posted. Please try later.

    This commenting system is pretty bad, from a usability point of view. Look at all the problems with that behavior:

    1. The error message is far from where your eyes are focused: the “Post comment” button is at the bottom of the comment, but the error message is at the top — which is hidden off the screen under some circumstances.

    2. The error message goes away almost before you have time to read it. In fact, it took about 3 or 4 tries to selected it and copy to clipboard fast enough to catch it.

    3. An error message which doesn’t say what is wrong, nor what to do about it. (Well, it says what to do about it (“try later”), but that advice is wrong.)

    I spent the next twenty minutes of so trying to narrow down the cause of the problem.

    The actual problem turned out to be that my original comment was gone!

    I guess that’s an artifact of the malfunctioning new anti-spam feature. So, more problems:

    4. It flagged non-spam as spam. (But Akismet often did this, too.)

    5. It hid the message, without telling the user. (Akismet did this, too, but at least with Akismet you could tell that it had happened.)

    6. It wouldn’t let me post a repy to it, and didn’t say why not, and wasted a bunch of my time trying to figure it out.

  48. I like the long edit time. I dislike the lack of a countdown timer. I typed an elaborate edit, but when I tried to post it I got an error:

        Sorry, this comment no longer possible to edit

    So, the 15 minute timer runs silently, and it doesn’t reset when you post an edit. In other words, if you make an edit at 10 minutes, you only have 5 minutes left to make another edit. That’s not ideal for OCD guys who want to keep tweaking the comment and inspecting the result, to get it just right.
     

    Here’s what I was trying to test (in my rejected “edit,” above). I was trying to make tweets non-invisible.

    First, I showed what I was going to enter (with zero-width spaces added, and < as &lt;, to prevent WordPress’s magic, so you can read it):

    <a href=”https​:/​/mobile.twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690″>http​s:/​/mobile.twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690</a>

    And here it is without the obfuscation:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    And her’s the non-mobile version:

    https://twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    And here’s the non-mobile version with zero-length spaces obfuscating only the inner URL:

    https:​//twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    And here’s a simpler attempt: the non-mobile version with the “https:​//” deleted from the inner URL ((instead of inserting zero-length spaces to obfuscate it):

    https:​//twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

    Well, how about that?

  49. When it flags a comment for moderation (“Comment awaiting moderation”) the warning flag it’s nice and visible — but there’s no “edit” button. (There’s also no “reply” button, but that’s reasonable.)

    • Ah yes, was going to mention that. I think my comment in currently waiting moderation. But I can’t find it. Probably way down below after I hit the ‘Load More Comments’ button! Hmm, dunno if I like that either.

  50. Testing colors:

    <font color=red>this should be red</font> 🠄 this looks like this:
    this should be red

    <font color=”blue”>this should be blue</font> 🠄 this looks like this:
    this should be blue

    <span style=”color:green”>this should be green</span> 🠄 this looks like this:
    this should be green

  51. I couldn’t comment on regular threads after the update–I kept getting a server 500 error. I wonder if I can succeed with this comment.

    (Hey! Success!!! And I can edit too!)

    Jim

  52. So the “invisible link” problem is apparently not specific to twitter links. It’s all links.

    To the person who posted a comment, the links in his own comment are invisible, though they still work when clicked. Here’s a screenshot of this comment:

    https://sealevel.info/wuwt_invisible_twtter_links.png

    But if you “select” them, they’re really there:

    https://sealevel.info/wuwt_invisible_twitter_links_visible_when_selected.png

    And for everyone else the links are visible, except that they disappear when hovered over with the mouse (view in a “Private” or “Incognito” window to see this behavior in your own comments):

    https://sealevel.info/wuwt_invisible_twitter_links_visible_to_others.png

  53. Ok, here goes. Posting with a new pseudonym. Hope it works! Last comment I made yesterday, I tried to edit, but alas, no edit function! ABC 123

    • Moderated……No more.

      Lets see if replying to my own comment does anything.

      Ooooooooooo…….Look. I can edit!

      Not sure I like the edit function, much more fun deciphering peoples digit malfunctions.

      Editing again.

      Does anyone know if the edit function rolls over. i.e. If my first edit allows 15 minutes, if I go in and edit again, does it reset the clock?

      Stupid question?

      • hot scot,
        I dont think it resets the clock but seems that you can do as many ‘edits’ as you want until the clock runs out. The real kicker is that your posted comment is visible on the WUWT page while you are editing and then changes after you save it after edit. Fun part is you can make the WUWT page visible comment keep changing for those viewing your comment! Cuttlefish got nothing on the edit function!

  54. I think generally the system is better than it ever was with a few exceptions.

    1. The inability to post images or videos directly is a huge loss.
    2. The formatting style sheet I would personally like to see fine tuned.
    For example
    (a) the default ‘blue’ colour in WUWT is rgb(17, 123, 184) but in the comments it’s a wishy washy (to me) rgb(0, 179, 143)….
    (b) Also the font size changes a shade too much from comment to reply.
    (c) The blockquote style is just an indent rather than a nice shaded box.

    But the ability to edit is a massive massive improvement for someone like myself whose typing skills are very low.

    If only we could post pictures and graphs…and videos

  55. Scrolling down do images now work?

    I cant make images work

    What is the trick?

    Ok. needs https which means that about 90% of the images on the ‘net cant be posted

    Otherwise you get an invisible but clickable link.

  56. I really dislike this format – I think the font is too light and small and it gets even smaller for the strangely inset secondary contributions. Please remember not everyone has 20/20 vision.

    But happy to stick with the hard work you are putting in to get things improved and appreciative of your websit and efforts.

  57. Had some problems getting my steam powered computer to let me see the new site but all seems well now and am trying leaving a comment so if you hear a loud explosion from South East England you know it didn’t go well.

    James Bull

  58. New page and comment section looks good and appears to be working pretty well. Hiccups and glitches are always to be expected.

    • The background color is nice, easy to read. Try a pic, just to keep The Princess in play. jelly%20face%20(6) Well, did that wrong. 😉

      • Guess I will go read the link for this comment platform. Sitting in the rain and can’t do anything else today.

  59. Problems with hrefs “disapperaing” ( actually displayed as white ) are likely caused by the CSS

    In your custom css file lines 255 to 265 are

    /* special case for the site’s mast head */
    .site-title a, a:hover, a:visited {
    color: white;
    text-decoration: none;
    }

    /* special case for the site’s main menus */
    .menu a, a:hover, a:visited {
    color: white;
    text-decoration: none;
    }

    probably should be

    /* special case for the site’s mast head */
    .site-title a, .site-title a:hover, .site-title a:visited {
    color: white;
    text-decoration: none;
    }

    /* special case for the site’s main menus */
    .menu a, .menu a:hover, .menu a:visited {
    color: white;
    text-decoration: none;
    }

    Not an expert in this so might be wrong!

  60. Anthony ==> I like the “Read More….” feature — it solves the problem of “essay-length” comments pushing other comments way off the bottom of the page and taking lots of PgDn’s to get past.

    I also like that the original comments are easily distinguished from the replies to them — easier to identify the threads.

  61. Is this where I put the obligatory “How dare you post any article that isn’t about Global Warming” comment?

  62. Nesting appears to work on my mobile Firefox, but in a limited way. I didn’t realise until I got to work that comment threads aren’t visibly fully nested on mobile. They are limited to the screen width, so at least the problem with the original implementation–horribly narrow comments that are quite a pain to read–isn’t present. Not ideal, but I’m not sure what can be done for a phone screen. I don’t think I see the same problem with white link text on my phone, though.

    Edit: trying to find your own comment after you post and refresh…also not optimal, when it’s three or four “Load More Comments” down the page and you’re set to read “oldest first”.

  63. Anthony ==> Two “suggestions”

    1. If possible, add a link to the html at the end of comments that links to a same-page anchor set just below the grey bar that has left and right previous post — next post (it is just above the current “Leave A Reply”) This would allow readers reading all the comments to click a “Leave a Comment” link that takes them right back up to Leave a Reply form at the beginning of comments. *since it is apparently not possible to move that form).

    2. If possible, add at the end of comments — where (if there are scads of comments) it gives a Load More Comments (something like that) — and alternate link –Load All Comments.

    PS: I like that comments I haven’t seen appear with a shaded background.

  64. First, I don’t mind the New Comment box being at the top rather than the bottom, as I’ll get used to it.

    Second, unlike some other commentators, I do mind having to click anything to read more of a comment or read more comments. I like to be quick on the PgDn button and ignore things I’m not interested in. There is a good ergonomic reason for this: it is more relaxing just to have a finger on one key than to have to move the cursor to follow a page button. Relaxation makes for better information input.

    Rich.

    • Third, I don’t like not seeing an exact time of someone’s quote, as it has been useful in the past to quote this.

      Fourth, as a result of that it is hard even to tell the direction of travel of the whole thread.

      Fifth, how does one click on something to get a bookmarkable link to a particular comment rather than to the whole thread? That was extremely valuable in the past.

      So far the plusses don’t outweigh the minusses IMHO.
      Rich.

      • Sixth, as I age my eyesight is worsening, so I don’t appreciate diminishing text size with indented comments.

        Rich.

      • If you click on the little symbol that looks like two chain links at the top right corner of a post, it will give the link to that post.

        • MarkW,

          Please explain the chain link. I can’t see what it does, just opens a box w/WUWT address

          Post time 12:28 pm

          • Mark,

            I’m replying to my comment that you answered to keep it all together.

            I clicked the link you provided and nothing happened except that the link vanished but mouse pointer turns to a hand if I mouse over the its previous location.

            What is the chain link supposed to do?

            This comment posted 1:26 p

          • OK ——– I think I see what the chain link does. It just highlights the associated sub thread in colored boxes and if you mouse over the colored box the color goes away.

            Is that all it’s supposed to do? If so, it may have some value but doesn’t seem too much to get excited about.

            Posted at 2:02p

          • I need to get a foot controlled “refresh button” and a “scroll pedal” to attempt to follow along without wearing out my keyboard and finger tips! A new meaning to an interactive process! The local peeping tom will think I’m nuts with fancy foot work, typing, mousing, and facial expressions and cursing! 😉

            Post time 2:13p

          • I used the chain box on your first post to me to acquire the link that I put in the above post.
            When I click on the link, it takes me to your first post.

            PS: Is there any way to fix the color on the clicked links. Having them appear to disappear is very difficult to work with.

          • Mark,
            If you are asking me, I can only say that the colored link disappears when you mouse over it and is then permanently invisible once you open/click on it. If you know where it was you can still click the invisible/blank spot to open it.

            posted at 3:43p

          • I think the answer to EVERYTHING in the new universe is to refresh and scroll. Now what is the question?

            What is “42” is not a valid question as the answer would be “refresh and scroll and reset and scroll some more”. 😉

            posted and edited 3:55p

          • OK …. The colored links are now remaining visible when you mouse over and also remain visible even after you have opened/clicked on it . The march for normalcy and perfection continues. 😉 😉

  65. I prefer to have the newest posts at the top, is there any way to permanently select this option?

  66. A little change every now and then can be a good thing, don’t you think Mr Ryan?

    • I tried to post under my old handle (TA) and got this error message: “Please match the requested format”.

      That’s all it gave me with no instructions about what the requested format is. So I emailed Anthony and he said this was the first he had heard of this problem and didn’t know what to do to fix it and suggested I use my name instead of my initials. I did so and it looks like it worked.

      I know others use a two-letter, capitalized handle, too, so if you are having trouble posting it probably has something to do with your two-letter handle.

  67. Whoof, the “subscribe to new follow-up” emails are ugly, and randomly have no information in them.

    Now to try the “subscribe to replies.” And see if it sends my own. 🙂

  68. Wondering? In what comment(s) (below) is the reader left…

    Trivial question: In what film is the young postulant from Melk?

  69. Hmmm, mods, earlier on I made 3 postings with items “first”, “second”, …, “sixth”, and I cannot see them. Do you know where they went?

    Thanks,
    Rich.

    • My apologies – apparently I had “oldest” set opposite “Subscribe”, and when I fixed that to be “newest” I could see my comments. So,

      Seventh, I’d like to see an option “all” next to “newest”.

      • Both “newest” and “oldest” display “all”. They just impact the order.
        I haven’t played with “most voted”.

        • Hi Mark W,

          If that were true then searching for my comments under “oldest” would have succeeded. So probably one has to “load more comments” first, but that is what “all” would do automatically.

          Rich.

    • Rich,
      I can see first and second, then third, then sixth about 4 hours ago.

      So far it takes a lot of refreshing and finding where you were in the thread.

      Try this: refresh, then make sure the little green ^ (to the right of the time clock) has not collapsed the sub threaded comments.

      AW is likely working on bigger programming issues and I’m sure he will get to the others as time permits. It’s driving me nuts but including the time of your posting will help you keep track, it did with me.

      When all else fails just refresh again and again. A second open tab for “monitoring only” also helps.

      Excuse me while I go kick the neighbors cat again! 😉

    • I see that we crossed while I was replying to you.

      Every time you post (and maybe refresh) you will need to reset the “newest/oldest” button as it will default back to “oldest”

      Does your neighbor have a cat? 😉

      • OK eyesonu, thanks. That brings me to:

        eighth: wouldn’t it be nice if refresh in the browser did not reset choices like newest/oldest etc.?

        Rich.

        • Rich,

          yes ….. Give AW time …. if it can be done he will get ‘er done. Notice that comment times are now posted. It will be done on Earth as it will be in WUWT.

          Posting time not required except for time zone difference. Thanks AW!!!!!

  70. Excellent progress, Anthony!
    Thank you for all you do.
    This is a great site and now it is better.

  71. The main practical issue I have is the truncation of the thread. You have to ask for “More Comments” and then again. That makes searching hard. One way I find replies is by searching for my name. It also is rather strange when a new comment shows as highlighted, and then disappears to the end. It’s true that you can now re-order them, but that breaks logical sequence. It’s also illogical, in that old comments indented can appear on the first page. I think if options to reorder are given, it should also be possible to show whole thread.

    Truncating comments (“Read More”) also affects searching, to a lesser extent.

    • Yes, Nick, your comments echo my second (read more) and seventh (“all” needed) points, and I also mentioned searching for my own comments.

  72. My first attempt.
    I’ll try to reply to myself afterward to see what happens.
    I might even try to like myself to see what happens.
    (Somehow, that last line doesn’t sound quite right. 😎

    • Well, I’m not allowed to like myself. 8-(
      But I guess that’s good for the blog.
      I notice that when I close a parenthesis with a “text” 8 (glasses) – (nose) ) smile it shows up as a smiley wearing sunglasses.
      No problem. I’ll just have to keep that in mind and do something like this “(comment 8-))”.

      Hmm…It want’s my name and email again. It used to remember me after the first comment.
      Is it still supposed too?

      • My comments are at top even though “oldest” is highlighted.

        The “edit” time isn’t up? Maybe that’s why it doesn’t remember me (since these are my first comments)?

          • Perhaps this isn’t in your control but, a gray line appears under the commenter’s name.
            If there have been not replies, the next commenter’s name look’s like a bit like signature.
            If it is in your control, perhaps move the grey line above the name?

          • One more note on escaping the ‘reply’ function. When you have been frustrated with getting trapped by ‘reply’ and then click a different ‘reply’ now you are in double jeopardy. Now you gotta find ’em all and get out of multiple locks. That is FUN. Or as usual …. refresh, reset, and scroll.

            I sure hope I’m not making anyone miss out on the mystery of the chase by revealing the conclusion. People have been killed over that in the movie theaters. Mystery and suspense awaits every new gadget and keystroke! 🙂

        • Gunga Din,

          Try refreshing to get your comment to go where it belongs. I have a comment thread somewhere in this posting explaining it. The key as it stands now (or earlier) is to refresh, scroll, reset order, and then scroll some more to find your comment.

          Also to use the Ctrl F function you need to scroll and click through ALL the ‘load more comments’ to get full thread coverage.

  73. The whole site has become scrambled when I use Pale Moon (my preferred browser) today – it wasn’t like that when you first migrated to the new servers. Unable to even submit a comment. Forced to use Chrome to tell you about it.

  74. I am now receiving two emails for every post. It is no problem, just wondering why

  75. Heads up for those who use “Ctrl F” to search a post’s comments, unless you hit “load more comments” (perhaps again and again), you’ll only get hits for the comments in the range you can scroll down too.

      • That’s why I earlier asked for an “All” option and not just “Oldest” and “Newest”.

  76. It would be nice if the time stamp for a reply was in the time zone of the person reading it instead of PST. Was the same on the old blog.

  77. I don’t know if it has anything to do with all the work that is currently going on but when I opened my email Inbox tonight, I found there were two of every WUWT email?

  78. Hey, a “Like” button?
    Zowie!
    And one that tallies up and down votes into one number too!
    And the big and most appreciated change?
    An “Edit” function!
    Thank you so much for all of your hard work Anthony Watts!

    • With an edit button, perhaps we should make a note when we have to edit our posts, maybe just a sentence saying that the comment was edited for clarity or for typos. whichever the case may be?

  79. I just now tried out the ‘chain link’ function to the far right of commenter’s name.

    If you click on the link button nothing happens until you refresh (of course). That will move the sub thread (beginning with the linked commenter) to the top of the main comments page in the posting. But, of course, the newest/oldest will be reset to default ‘oldest’. The linked comments will be highlighted in colored boxes. if you mouse over one of those the color will vanish. So if you want to keep the color be sure that you don’t let your mouse cross the box. If you want to remove the color just scroll right over the sub-thread and it will be gone (the color). Then when you want the linked sub-thread to go back where it belongs well… you guessed it … refresh, reset order, and scroll baby scroll ’till ya get back where you want to be.

    • By the way, the colored boxes using the ‘chain link’ will be nice when the bugs are worked out.

  80. Don’t know if it matters after the fact, but when you implemented the new comment system, it appeared on all the older posts, also. And at that point I had to re-enter my vitals. All done now.

  81. I really like the edit option. Usually I just need to add a comma or other punctuation, but reading it after posting, I always see something wrong which I can now correct. And I have already used it. THANKS!

  82. I just noticed another problem with the new system, and it’s a serious one: The comment URLs in old articles are broken.

    For example, this was the URL of a comment which I made last summer about the benefits of elevated CO2 for CAM plants (like pineapple):

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/17/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2584113

    That link no longer works.

    The equivalent “wordpress dot com” URL still works:

    https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2584113

    But for the imported copy of the article, in the new system, the comment has a changed URL, which breaks all the old links to it. Here’s the new URL:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2132389

    Anthony, can this be fixed???

  83. Testing to see whether this gets my name right. At some sites WordPress changes me to “jhborn.”

  84. I’d like to reiterate my “second” point from below about the “Read more” issue. If we have to have such a thing, could we make it a larger amount of text before the “Read more”? I presume that this should be some configuration setting? I’d suggest twice as much as at present. How about having a WUWT vote on what the limit should be?

    Rich.

    • YES!

      I’d like the option to just disable the “Read more” and “Load more comments” features, altogether. I can see that such features could be useful when reading on a mobile device, but on a desktop computer they’re are just a nuisance.

  85. Hey!
    wpDiscuz Devs are here… Thanks for trying wpDiscuz.
    First I’d suggest decrease the number of parent post for the first load to make he page load even more faster. More info about the comment pagination control: https://wpdiscuz.com/docs/wpdiscuz-documentation/settings/comment-list-settings/#pagination
    The [Load More] pagination type is the best choice.

    Second, I’d suggest using the collapsed thread option, it makes x10 faster the first page loading speed:
    https://wpdiscuz.com/docs/wpdiscuz-documentation/settings/comment-list-settings/#view-replies

    • I’d also recommend set the “newest” sorting type by default. I think the newest comments should be close to the comment form and people should see the latest comments first. wpDiscuz only displays comment form on top, so the newest comments should also be on top.

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