Open Thread – trying out a new comment system

Hello,

Now that the move has been successful, I’m trying out a new commenting system plugin called WPDISCUZ.

You can read more about it here. https://wpdiscuz.com/

The original comment editor I installed last week didn’t work properly for everyone, and it screwed up comment indentation, so I had to disable it.

Try it out, leave a comment, leave a comment rating, try the sort features, etc. You can edit a comment up to 15 minutes after making it.

You can also visit another thread to see how it looks with many comments already in place.

-Anthony

 

UPDATE: I think I have the “reply” in nested comments working, and the EDIT function working properly. Also, the good news is that once you put in your name and email, it should always remember you….at least that is what I’m told by the documentation.

The bad news: General comment form is at the top, and there appears to be no way to change it according to this thread:

https://gvectors.com/forum/how-to-and-troubleshooting/remove-the-comment-form-to-below-comments/#post-3911

So, just use it for a general comment about the article, or scroll down and reply to an existing comment.

 

UPDATE2: You can display an image (or YouTube video) within a comment, (see examples in the thread below) but you MUST use https rather than http. Just simply insert the image URL, no tags or HTML needed.

If you use http all you’ll get is a link, but no embedded image.

Feel free to play around with inserting images or video in comments below.

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Tom in Florida
June 4, 2018 6:09 pm

Oh, I saw the formatting change but when I hit “Reply” to a comment, nothing happened.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

OK, working.

Jason
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

I still think the Seahawks should’ve run the ball

Felix
Reply to  Jason
June 4, 2018 7:19 pm

They would all pretty much agree with you, I’m sure.

Though few of them are still Seahawks. One who is is the guy who could and should have changed the call sent into him, ie the amiable Mr. Wilson.

Felix
Reply to  Jason
June 4, 2018 7:20 pm

Or at least passed left or right rather than over the middle, hey diddle diddle.

Jerry Henson
Reply to  Felix
June 5, 2018 3:51 am

The ball should have gone to Marchon Lynch.

PatsFanInCali
Reply to  Jason
June 5, 2018 1:28 pm

And Belichick should have played Malcom Butler

DonM
Reply to  Jason
June 5, 2018 2:13 pm

Pete Carroll went in to Starbucks and ordered a Mocha. The guy behind the counter charged him $6, wrote his name on the cup, leaned against the counter and said “this is yours Pete … do you want I should reach it across the counter to you, or do you want me to toss it to you?”

Richard Patton
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:48 pm

Lets see If I can reply

Richard Patton
Reply to  Richard Patton
June 4, 2018 6:48 pm

Looks good. I did get a squak from the system saying that I was posting too fast 😋

Reply to  Richard Patton
June 4, 2018 7:04 pm

The indentation is MUCH better, Anthony. Hmm, however… I see a character count up there, TRYING to be inconspicuous – is this a new length-limiting policy? This is about the only site where I’m not the MOST long-winded. Also about to test the “keep my info.”

Reply to  Richard Patton
June 4, 2018 7:13 pm

Ah – strange. Filled in the info on another reply, and it magically appeared here (this reply widget stayed open even when I went elsewhere in the thread – and there is apparently no explicit “cancel” link in the widget – although there is one to cancel editing).

One more “like” though – an annoying thing on other systems is that you can upvote your own comment – THIS widget prevents it (at least under the same login). Nice!

Reziac
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 6, 2018 12:05 am

Posted two comments in another thread… the first apparently disappeared and took a long time to do so; the second posted, and only then did the first one become visible. Does it do a lookup in a known-poster database, and if so, is it really slow??

Bryan A
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 9:44 pm

As long as you’re working on the buttons I would suggest a quote button so you don’t have to add blockquote and perhaps “B”old “I”talic and “U”nderline too

Adrian
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 4, 2018 8:57 pm

Thanks a heap for the +/- notation Anthony. A web site with as many login readers as you have, we readers need to scroll quickly through to the most worthwhile comments, guided by the +/- notations. GREAT!

Eric Simpson
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 4, 2018 11:18 pm

I wish you would only see a limited number of the nested comments, like 2.

The problem is that sometimes the first comment takes over, or some tangent thread takes page after page after page of scrolling to get to other stuff.

That would allow later unnested comments to have a lot more value. My 2 cents.

Sam C Cogar
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 5, 2018 8:40 am

How come this FAQ doesn’t work for me?

Subject: Linking to past comments

Each comment has a URL that links to the start of that comment. ….. the best way to copy it is to right click on the time stamp near the start of the comment, choose “Copy link location” from the pop-up menu, and paste it into the comment

Is it because the “time stamp” is located at the end of the comment (at lower right-hand corner)?

Sam C

Reply to  Sam C Cogar
June 5, 2018 8:52 am

Those instructions are wrong for the new commenting system. Instead, click on the “link” symbol (🔗) at the upper-right corner, then click in the pop-up box, then ctrl-A (select all), then ctrl-C (copy to clipboard). (Then click the 🔗 again to make the pop-up box go away.)

It is more cumbersome than the old system, but it works.

Sam C Cogar
Reply to  Dave Burton
June 6, 2018 3:50 am

Dave B, …… thank you very much.

I would never have figured that out on my own.

And not being able to follow the conversation from one day to the next was really beginning to bug me.

Jim Church
June 4, 2018 6:09 pm

Always appreciate your blog.

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:11 pm

I assume we would place test comments here. So here you go!

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

No, no, no! Test comments are supposed to go on some OTHER thread…..

ossqss
Reply to  Ken Mitchell
June 4, 2018 6:53 pm

Well there is a test link above in the main site title block 😉

tom0mason
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 7:16 pm

Will this anti-spam measure really work?
Visit http://www.flockingsomewhere.com/paris-bowels-the-sewer-museum/ for the best in everything to help you bypass the home furnishing boredom, and see life in a new atmosphere of without debt. 😁

tom0mason
Reply to  tom0mason
June 4, 2018 7:18 pm

Interestingly System stops me posting as a new comment but not as a reply.

Reply to  ossqss
June 5, 2018 8:31 am

does this work

Testing 123

pk

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
June 5, 2018 9:00 am

Jeff, what incantation did you use for that indentation?

I can get a similar effect with multiple   characters, but you did something different. Here’s the effect of space   space   space:

    Testing 4 5 6

(However, when I edit an old comment, the   entities are invisible—ugh!)

Here’s the version after saving and then editing; it still works, but I wish the edit button wouldn’t change what I’m editing!

    Testing 4 5 6

BTW, what does “pk” mean?

Reziac
Reply to  Dave Burton
June 6, 2018 12:07 am

Appears he used blockquote tags.

Reply to  Reziac
June 7, 2018 11:16 am

testing <blockquote> tag…

this is in a blockquote

End test.

Chris4692
June 4, 2018 6:12 pm

Yes, well, because.

Tom in Florida
June 4, 2018 6:13 pm

Anthony, I see your reply to me but I hit reply on your comment and nothing happens.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 4, 2018 8:52 pm

Tom, I’m able to reply to your comment. However, it looks like the system isn’t remembering my name and email address.

Editor
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
June 5, 2018 6:27 am

Who am I?

Remembers who I am (though it doesn’t show it on ‘reply” — but posts correctly.

Edit and multiple edit works…(this is my second edit ….)

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Kip Hansen
June 6, 2018 9:04 am

You should have edited again. You have an open parenthesis. 😁

Editor
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
June 6, 2018 1:05 pm

Dang….the best laid plans….

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:14 pm

No reply or edit for me either. I do see the timer item.

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:44 pm

It’s apparently been fixed, because I see both the Reply and Edit buttons now.

David Chappell
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 10:00 pm

test test 12345 54321v test out

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:17 pm

Vote worked

June 4, 2018 6:18 pm

This is a test of the new system.

JohnWho
Reply to  Caleb
June 4, 2018 7:03 pm

Did the test work?

wws
Reply to  JohnWho
June 4, 2018 8:25 pm

this is only a test. If this had been a real post, you would have been warned to proceed to your nearest shelter.

Reply to  JohnWho
June 5, 2018 1:29 am

At that time I couldn’t comment on my comment. Looks like they fixed that now.

June 4, 2018 6:19 pm

I wish WordPress would put a edit feature! I hit post comment…then noticed I miss a letter or hit it twice or some other goofy thing. 🙄

Sara
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:33 pm

Where is the ‘edit’ feature? And why isn’t it recognizing me after the first comment?

Okay, it just showed up.

Editor
Reply to  Sara
June 4, 2018 9:12 pm

I can see ALL the edits for everyone… he he……

It takes time for big changes to software with a huge database to move around, patience is advised as we can see Anthony and others behind the scenes are hard at work, they deserve the respect and support for the hard work they do.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:44 pm

That’s nice.

LadyLifeGrows
Reply to  Nancy
June 5, 2018 11:05 am

My own fumble fingers will appreciate the 15 minute edit greatly.

I do NOT like the + and – feature because neither science nor truth are determined by vote. It has been my experience on other sites that the finest comments get a lot of negative votes from people with other beliefs. Add to that WUWT’s trolls, and it will be hard to find the good stuff.

I also don’t like what it will do to Nick Stokes. He has never figured out that carbon dioxide is the basis of Life an Earth; he is an alarmist. I appreciate his courage coming here. He sometimes posts rubbish, but he is quite thoughtful and often posts really worthwhile stuff. We need him.

We also need any other alarmists with the courage to visit this site and leave intelligent comments.

I see that there is a spell check here. That will help to reduce misspellings and other typos.

M Courtney
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 5, 2018 1:56 pm

In my experience +/- features always end up as a form of stigmatising the bullies’ chosen target.
It is not good for a diverse debate.

Gunga Din
Reply to  M Courtney
June 5, 2018 4:13 pm

You have a point, but for me, as I am often very late to a post, I’d just like to know if somebody actually read my comment whether they liked it or not.
(Maybe a “read” or “nuetered” … er … “nuetral” button?)

Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:20 pm

Reply doesn’t seem to work in FireFox. Checking Safari now.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 7:26 pm

Replying from Firefox 60.0.1 on a MacBook Pro.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 8:55 pm

Replying from Firefox 60.0.1 on Windows 10. My name and email are not being entered automatically, however.

David Chappell
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 10:04 pm

reply from FF60.0.1 on Win 8.1 but it isn’t entering my name and email

June 4, 2018 6:20 pm

Testing, testing, one, two, flee.

Cheers, Anthony.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
June 4, 2018 8:03 pm

Hey, Bob. Been a while.
…four, five, clicks.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 4, 2018 8:05 pm

Two pints make one cavort.

gnomish
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 4, 2018 8:43 pm

cavorting is always a gambol.
workin in opera!

Albert
June 4, 2018 6:20 pm

Darn it, Miami is underwater.

Tom Halla
June 4, 2018 6:21 pm

I tried using “reply” and nothing happened.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:45 pm

Seeing if the “reply” works in my Firefox here. Also worth suggesting to anyone interested who’s any sort of investigative reporter, that it might be worthwhile to see if that other hugely widespread “Disqus” commenting system out there is paving the way is some manner (algorithms or whatever) for pro-AGW sites to automatically screen out commentary from AGW skeptic folks.

Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:21 pm

Reply in Safari INOP too.
No edit function.

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:21 pm

Image test.

comment image

(image doesn’t exist – Anthony )

RichardT
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 7:13 pm

No image, just a link (blue text on white background). When hovering over the link though, the mouse cursor turns into the normal ‘hand’, but the actual link text disappears. Link is still active though as shows up in the status bar.

RichardT
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 7:31 pm

Test reply
and edit

J Mac
June 4, 2018 6:22 pm

I am able to access the +/- vote toggles but was not able to ‘reply’ to comments. I’ll test it here.

Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 7:14 pm

Apparently when you fill in the info on one reply, and have another reply widget open, it shares that info. But not on a new reply without anything else going.

June 4, 2018 6:23 pm

Reply doesn’t work with Chrome on Linux either. I prefer that old comment font but that should be an easy fix?

tom0mason
Reply to  Daylene Alford
June 4, 2018 6:59 pm

This reply comment is from a Linux user using Seamonkey browser.
It all seems to work. 🙂
😀 😃 😄 ☺️ 😁 😀 😍 even the smilies.

An Image —
comment image?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1

And the edit function, though finding the comment is interesting as it shoots up the page.

Wolsten
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 9:32 pm

Voted this up on an iPhone with mobile Safari

Annie
Reply to  Wolsten
June 5, 2018 6:07 am

Voted this up with Samsung tablet using Chrome

Wolsten
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 9:35 pm

No edit option for my first comment and once clicked the share and link pop ups seem not to be cancellable.

Alasdair
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 5, 2018 2:59 am

Anthony:
How did you do that? If I copy an image can I just plonk it into a comment, or do I have to find some associated URL or something? and where would I get that?
I have a simple mind.
Alasdair

Hartley
Reply to  Alasdair
June 5, 2018 9:01 am

This site won’t host the picture, you have to have it hosted elsewhere on the Internet. It used to be that PhotoBucket would do it for free, but now they want money 🙁 If anyone knows a good, free hosting service, I’d love to hear about it!

Luc Ozade
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 5, 2018 7:37 pm

Looks like you’re still using XP Anthony 😛

Editor
Reply to  Luc Ozade
June 6, 2018 11:23 am

He can’t be – he often tells people to update their software!

Reply to  Daylene Alford
June 4, 2018 7:17 pm

I had to go to 120% on my Firefox browser to see the comments easily. But then I’m an old guy – I have that set on a LOT of other sites.

(And, no I don’t hate you Daylene – testing the downvote button.)

Sara Hall
Reply to  Writing Observer
June 5, 2018 1:31 am

I don’t hate you either Daylene and upvoted you, so you now have no votes again. Not sure if that’s a positive move however?

Hugs
Reply to  Daylene Alford
June 5, 2018 3:17 am

Font! Yes, the edit box has too light a font. No contrast for old eyes.

Sommer
Reply to  Hugs
June 5, 2018 6:44 pm

The font needs to be larger and darker, please.

Steve Keohane
June 4, 2018 6:23 pm

Thanks for all your hard work Anthony. Giving this a test.

Sara
June 4, 2018 6:24 pm

I will give it a shot. I’d like a shot myself. I seem to be having a summer cold or the bFlu has somehow hit me and is making my life a Raggedy Ann doll.

Sniffles!!!

J Mac
Reply to  Sara
June 4, 2018 6:34 pm

Sara,
Dr. Mac prescribes a large mug of hot cider, with cinnamon and lemon, topped with a hearty splash of dark rum!

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  J Mac
June 5, 2018 9:31 am

Hmmm, I think I’ll follow that prescription. You know, just in case. 😀

Gilbert K. Arnold
Reply to  Sara
June 4, 2018 6:34 pm

Sorry you’re not feeling well. Get better soon.

J Mac
June 4, 2018 6:24 pm

No joy. Up vote works but no edit function and ‘Reply’ button inoperable.

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 6:28 pm

Hot Dog!! ‘Reply’ button works!
Yeee Haaawwww! So does the ‘Edit’ button!

Good Work, Anthony!!!

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

Anthony,
The 1st time the ‘reply’ button worked for me (opened a reply comment window), I had to also provide my user name and email address. Subsequent replies did not require that information again. It is displayed ‘filled in’. An antispam security feature, judging from the adjacent statement “This comment form is under antispam protection.”

Duncan Smith
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 6:56 pm

Yup “reply” works. (if you see this).

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:05 pm

up-vote works too. *edit works too” (added after this post)

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:13 pm

test link to youtube

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:17 pm

Anthony, test link did not work. Copied a URL from youtube, does not show.

Try again below see if it shows: (you tube test video)

Renee
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 9:06 pm

Image test. 10 kyrs ago this river was a glacier.
comment image

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:20 pm

Finally the test links showed up, took about 5 minutes (spam filter?). I like the new look

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 7:40 pm

Got it. Try this again just for a test, then I will leave you alone.

comment image

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:51 pm

try this again.

comment image

Editor
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 6, 2018 11:29 am

Wikipedia commons does some odd things with URLs, I displayed just the photo there and copied its URL:

comment image

tom0mason
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:35 pm

The picture you wanted?
comment image

Duncan Smith
Reply to  tom0mason
June 4, 2018 7:44 pm

Yes, just spamming for the test, AW already corrected me on the URL (no jpg extension).

Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 7:20 pm

Hmm. That wasn’t the behavior for me (see above). Firefox, latest update, on this machine. If you have a different browser, that is probably the reason for the difference.

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Writing Observer
June 4, 2018 7:29 pm

Using Chrome. Just cleared cashe two days ago too. Spamming just to test. All my URL’s take a while to post “officially”. Lag time on the server? But they are showing up eventually.

~ac
Editor
June 4, 2018 6:24 pm

Hi Anthony. Well done with the move, although reregistering to follow by e-mail took a while and I had to use an alternate e-mail address to get it to work.
Hope this new plugin works out OK.
Cheers
Andi

Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:25 pm

Replying to boneheaded comments is what makes WUWT fun,🤦‍♂️

Albert
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:30 pm

Reply is working now. it made me log in again

David L Hagen
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:32 pm

But don’t all heads have bones?!
Editing afterwards even works. A big improvement!

Meridan Bennett
June 4, 2018 6:25 pm

Reply button does nothing for me, Windows 10, Chrome browser.

ossqss
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:28 pm

Bingo , but I have to load name and email to do it. .

ossqss
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Video English test didn’t work.

Duncan Smith
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 7:09 pm

Works

Duncan Smith
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:10 pm
tom0mason
Reply to  Duncan Smith
June 4, 2018 7:37 pm

This video

Duncan Smith
Reply to  tom0mason
June 4, 2018 8:17 pm

Interesting, it seems I am using the same ULR, yours shows, mine does not? Possibly it is me or my computer.

Try again?

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:31 pm

Works!
LLAP. 🖖

Bill5150
Reply to  Meridan Bennett
June 4, 2018 6:37 pm

Blah blah blah, it seems to work fine with my standard of commentary.

Reply to  Bill5150
June 4, 2018 10:37 pm

If I want to post a photo (jpeg) that’s on my computer hard-drive, can I do that? Or do I have to post it from my website? – JPP

Hartley
Reply to  J Philip Peterson
June 5, 2018 9:13 am

WUWT won’t host (store) your picture, you have to host it elsewhere on the web. In days of yore, PhotoBucket was a good free service, but they want money now. 🙁
Anybody know a good, free hosting service?

jaymam
Reply to  Hartley
June 6, 2018 2:41 am

Maybe you can host a picture on Facebook
comment image

jaymam
Reply to  jaymam
June 6, 2018 2:51 am

Yes, hopefully Facebook will keep their pictures indefinitely.
Just copy the picture location and add &xxx=foo.jpg to the end.
comment image

Reply to  jaymam
June 6, 2018 10:19 pm

Thanks – JPP

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:26 pm

The image link I posted showed up in white text on my tablet. It worked as a link, but was virtually invisible.

ossqss
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:31 pm

LOL, I have never been so insulated in my whole life 😉

michael hart
June 4, 2018 6:28 pm

Reply button also doesn’t work for me (Firefox, Windows 10).

kokodda
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:51 pm

Win 10, Firefox – replying to Anthony
upvote worked

Terry Gednalske
June 4, 2018 6:29 pm

I just tried to reply to Tom in Florida’s latest comment, and nothing happened. I appreciate your efforts to improve the site, don’t give up!

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
June 4, 2018 6:32 pm

Reload the page.

Terry Gednalske
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 6:54 pm

Thanks Joel

Terry Gednalske
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
June 4, 2018 6:34 pm

It lets me reply to my own comment.

Sara
June 4, 2018 6:29 pm

Okay, the comments box is appearing at the top of the screen . Is it supposed to do that?

And the :”reply” button doesn’t work for me. And I see that I have to insert my identity now, so it’s either not recognizing people or something else is wrong with the comment Elves.

And it isn’t recognizing me after the first post, so I have to add my name and e-mail every time.

I’m telling Mom!

Sara
Reply to  Sara
June 4, 2018 6:31 pm

And now the reply button is working. Curiouser and curiouser. And it is not remembering me or my e-mail.

Mommy!!!!!!! Make the bad stuff go away!!!

Terry Gednalske
Reply to  Sara
June 4, 2018 6:38 pm

The reply button is now working for me. I just left the site, then came back in, and now it works.

eyesonu
June 4, 2018 6:31 pm

Test …. 1 to 2 minute time to edit should be enough time. Any longer and risk is replying to a comment that has been changed due to original poster editing. Could be an issue that could become a mess with changes leading to changes leading to more editing. 1 or 2 minutes max to edit typos is good enough.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  eyesonu
June 5, 2018 4:31 am

Agree. Adjusting comments after a reply could be detrimental leading to too many cases of he said she said. As W.E. asks, quote the exact words if you disagree, but what if those words get changed by the author after the fact? I think just about everyone is tolerant of typos, missing words and such, we all do it from time to .

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 5, 2018 4:34 am

You see, I left off the word “time” at the end but you’all know it should have been there.

GreyMouser
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:39 pm

so far the reply works and the vote works

Gilbert K. Arnold
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Reply works for me.

TonyL
June 4, 2018 6:35 pm

It is a mess.
I hate to be to critical, with all the bone crushing hard work which is going into this.
But a few points:
Too busy, too many graphic elements going on.
{Show More} – not optimal to hide stuff.
Comment Box needs to be at the bottom, we need to encourage the more hasty of us to read before commenting. Having the comment box at the top encourages the wrong thing.

WUWT is *not* FACEBOOK.
Vote up, Vote down, Link, Share, Social Media! Do not need, do not want.

The Links:
Displays as light blue on white.
When you cursor over it, it highlights to *White on White*, that is, it *disappears*.
If you click on it, it stays disappeared. Bad.
What rocket scientist came up with that color scheme.

What we need:
1) Inline display of graphics, and hopefully videos.
2) 5 minute edit

TonyL
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 6:58 pm

OK, OK.
I try it again, reply works. Like Sara, I have to enter my name and email again. But that is OK for now, at least.
I will wait and see how things shake out after tweaking and optimizing.

Maybe as a Plan B, keep the old system handy, and see if the software gnomes can fix the indent formatting and add the much needed inline graphics.
Doing stuff like this, you *always* want a Plan B. You just never know when things will go from bad to worse.

Felix
June 4, 2018 6:37 pm

Mary had a little lamb.

Her fleece was white as snow.

And everywhere that Mary went,

The lamb was set bright aglow

By catastrophic anthropo-

genic global warming.

Felix
Reply to  Felix
June 4, 2018 6:40 pm

I guess I should have rhymed with “albedo”.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Felix
June 4, 2018 7:00 pm

Mary had a little lamb,
The doctors were surprised,
When Old McDonald had a farm,
They couldn’t believe their eyes.

June 4, 2018 6:38 pm

OK, here goes. Hot summers in the northern hemisphere and cold autumns in the southern. Who would have thought?

ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:40 pm

4 emoticons test. Lets see how many work.

😀 😉 :doh: :billgates

ossqss
Reply to  ossqss
June 4, 2018 6:41 pm

Wow, I ended up at the top somehow. 2 for 4 :p

Edit, and now I am back down below. Like a roller coaster in here.

Ken Mitchell
June 4, 2018 6:40 pm

OK, so here’s a test comment, apropos of …. not much.

Yesterday there was a 2-meter space rock (I hesitate to call it an “asteroid”, even though it – just barely! – met the criterion of “asteroid” of having been seen in space before hitting the Earth.)… But this barely-an-asteroid WAS observed, even a couple of HOURS before impact.

Which reminds me of the post-Chelyabinsk meme; “”Asteroids” are nature’s way of asking “How’s that space program coming along?” “

Jacob Frank
June 4, 2018 6:42 pm

The best thing about the old site was the fonts, especially when reading on the phone. I would copy them verbatim from the old site.

Wharfplank
June 4, 2018 6:42 pm

Jeez Anthony, when do you sleep? If I hit the lottery you’ll be he first to know and thanks for your tireless efforts.

Wharfplank
Reply to  Wharfplank
June 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Works fine, both edit and reply

Gilbert K. Arnold
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

I like the new comment system. Edit function seems to work OK. (Windows 10, Firefox 60.0.1) Edit function does too.

Richard Patton
June 4, 2018 6:43 pm

Ok Here is my try

Richard Patton
June 4, 2018 6:44 pm

Ok Here is here is a change. Humm. it appears to be working

Tom Halla
June 4, 2018 6:45 pm

Aha! Its working now, but it missed my name.

Terry Gednalske
June 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Now some people are saying that the development of geothermal energy is responsible for the volcanic eruptions in Hawaii. So removing thermal energy from a volcano causes it to become more active? What’s up with that? (the edit option seems to work)

David Paul Zimmerman
June 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Reply gives me a google search to the meaning of reply.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 7:13 pm

Joshing Anthony…

comment image

eyesonu
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 8:13 pm

roflmao ………….. repeatedly w/edit …… edit works!

ossqss
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 9:30 pm

Nicely done Joel! Where’s Josh when we need him for a little Grecian formula edit? 😉

Gunga Din
Reply to  ossqss
June 5, 2018 4:04 pm

No need for Grecian Formula. He’s frosted.

eyesonu
June 4, 2018 6:53 pm

Comment button on top of thread and currently showing 67 prev comments and labeled ‘leave a reply.

I have 2 tabs open and will time between posting comment on this tab (#1) and it showing on tab#2 . I was not able to even refresh tab #1 earlier comment for about 10 min but comment showed up on tab #2.

I time this comment and reply back to this comment on tab#1 and simply monitor thread on tab #2

Post comment 9:53

eyesonu
June 4, 2018 6:58 pm

Comment on thread showed up immediately on tab#2 after refreshing. Then Tab #1 offered an immediate chance for reply which is this.

Now going to post this comment and check results with this tab and not refresh tab#2

Posting time 9:58

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:00 pm

9:58 comment showed up immediately after posting on this tab #1

Posting time 10:00

kokodda
June 4, 2018 7:03 pm

Like the color of commenter Name

What about an ‘original comment’ box also at the bottom (after the last comment)? If I read the comments starting from the top to the last and I want to make a comment (not a reply), I have to scroll all the way to the beginning comment.

EDIT – Testing the ‘edit’ feature: my comment above is just an observation; don’t know if valid or useful, or not

eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:05 pm

This tab#1 is inverted or reversed with my comments shown on top.

Tab#2 that I am only using for monitoring has my comments at the bottom or normal position.

I will try refresh tab#1 after this post

Post time 10:05

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:08 pm

After refreshing tab#1 my comments moved to bottom and thread is in normal set-up per previous WUWT format

Post time 10:08

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:55 pm

Commenting now on tab #1

Not sure where this is going to go. I can’t refresh so see if I can comment.

Post time 10:55

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:16 pm

Can’t cancel comment/reply to 10:05 and comment to 10:08. Seems if you pick a reply there’s no way to cancel.

Hope this helps

Post time 10:15

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:21 pm

I’m forced to make a comment. Cant cancel or refresh this tab#1.

Tab#2 allowed a page refresh and all seems well there. Comments are in proper order on tab#2.

Post time 10:21

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 7:49 pm

I’m replying on tab#2 this comment.

Tab#1 is ‘locked in’ now. I can’t refresh page. Comment before lock-up was 10:21

For what it’s worth I ‘m using Firefox.

Post time 10:49

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 8:03 pm

Clicking on the ‘reply button’ a second time will allow you to escape the ‘reply’ function. Don’t believe the cancel option, it’s a crap button.

Post time 11:03

Michael Of Oz
June 4, 2018 7:05 pm

Hello, trying out the new comments system…

Michael Of Oz
Reply to  Michael Of Oz
June 4, 2018 7:07 pm

Liked it.

Mike From Au
Reply to  Michael Of Oz
June 7, 2018 12:32 am

Except that now when a post exceeds more than a paragraph the comment goes into youtube mode where it is necessary to click “read more” to see the rest of the comment. Probably so annoying that i can already see it is not worth looking at the comments section unless one is willing to get a jackhammer to click all the “read more” interruptions.

Bad idea…and extremely annoying.
Very poor .
No way to run a comment section.
What a turn off.
Youtube did it and it failed.
Repels those who read comments.

Mike From Au
Reply to  Mike From Au
June 7, 2018 1:27 am

Adds a lot of time and energy to investigating comments. From the point of view of a reader of comments, this is a very laborious system and so i fail to have the energy to approach a comment section when i need to reveal comments with a ‘read more’ button.
The usual scroll function of being able to scroll down the page is vastly more efficient.
Hence, the fail. I barely go to a comment section thus presented….I barely go to youtube comments since this “read more” button was deployed.
I suspect there are others, though not all, like me.
It amounts to a fail from my perspective and so unnecessary.
We all have a scroll button that can take us past and entire comment and even its replies without this “READ MORE” at light speed.

Mike From Au
Reply to  Mike From Au
June 7, 2018 1:29 am

LOL, my previous comment now has a “read more” button ….OK….i have made my point…the ‘read more’ button in my opinion is an epic fail for the adept scroller, however, …….this is just my opinion..

June 4, 2018 7:06 pm

Ah. “Keep my info” didn’t work on a reply, although I will try somewhere else. It DOES work on the top level.

One thing you might want to add is the standard notice that you do not make the email addresses public.

Reply to  Writing Observer
June 4, 2018 7:07 pm

Yep, info keeping is not working on replies. Always fun…

EDIT – editing is apparently working.

kokoda
June 4, 2018 7:11 pm

Testing to fix ‘NAME’ from kokodda, to kokoda

A-OK (was concerned about not being allowed due to using same email address)

J Mac
June 4, 2018 7:16 pm

Seems appropriate for this cool change to WUWT!
Time For A Cool Change – Little River Band
https://youtu.be/9bKwRW0l-Qk

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 7:20 pm

Not sure why the video image did not display there…. It leads with the https: ???
And after I hit the link, it disappeared (white on white). Did not come back by refreshing the page or going to ‘home’ and back again.

ossqss
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 7:30 pm

It appeared to be a mobile or app based youtube link. Try redoing it in desktop mode in a browser if on mobile.

tom0mason
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 8:00 pm

That’s a shortened youtu.be redirector address not a YouTube URL.
The address you need to use is the [https://www·youtube·com/watch?v=9bKwRW0l-Qk&feature=youtu·be] I’ve put( · ) in for ( . )to stop it loading. OK?

J Mac
Reply to  tom0mason
June 4, 2018 8:34 pm

tom,
Where did you find that link?

Editor
Reply to  J Mac
June 6, 2018 5:44 pm

I clicked on the link (Linux middle button) and the system opened a new page, went to the youtu.be site, that redirected me to youtube which displayed the URL tom0 posted.

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 8:04 pm

2nd attempt
Time For A Cool Change – Little River Band
https://youtu.be/9bKwRW0l-Qk

The link is there, but it is ‘white on white’, and no image???

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
June 4, 2018 8:22 pm

3rd try…
Time For A Cool Change – Little River Band

NZPete
June 4, 2018 7:18 pm

This is my test comment.

Tom Halla
June 4, 2018 7:18 pm

the test video worked for me.

NZPete
June 4, 2018 7:19 pm

This is my test comment, number 2.

ossqss
June 4, 2018 7:19 pm

comment image

June 4, 2018 7:22 pm

Sure glad this form is under antispam protection. Never did like that stuff, even in a sandwich.

Arbeegee
June 4, 2018 7:23 pm

Comment font is too small imho.

TonyL
June 4, 2018 7:23 pm

Kewl!
New comments are highlighted in yellow for easy finding. Cursor over them changes them to usual color.
Maybe I can forgive the links to social media.

The Edit function:
I tried to extend a comment with the Edit function. I just added one sentence and got
“Input Too Long”, and the edit was rejected.

Running an older version of Firefox (~ver. 43), under Linux.

OK S.
June 4, 2018 7:26 pm

A link test:
https://archive.org/stream/climate00mari#page/n1/mode/2up

Editing reply works fine.

By the way, the link is for “Climate & Health for You and Yours.”
2nd edit works fine, too.

Derek Shaffer
June 4, 2018 7:26 pm

Testing.

(I think I like it)

Tom Halla
June 4, 2018 7:29 pm

That video clip worked for me

Peter Sable
June 4, 2018 7:32 pm

Testing the formatting. Too bad there’s still no WSYWYG editor. Still stuck using limited HTML subset.

The 500 character limit will be interesting. Some of us post lengthy essays.

Phil Rae
June 4, 2018 7:45 pm

Hi Anthony……..I’m just testing this. After the recent update, a few of my input comments evaporated into cyberspace with a System 500 error, never to be seen again so I hope this one works! Anyway, let’s see!

tom0mason
Reply to  tom0mason
June 4, 2018 8:33 pm

MONTHLY MEAN CENTRAL ENGLAND TEMPERATURE (DEGREES C)
1659-1973 MANLEY (Q.J.R.METEOROL.SOC., 1974)
1974ON PARKER ET AL. (INT.J.CLIM., 1992)
PARKER AND HORTON (INT.J.CLIM., 2005)

JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC YEAR
1659 3.0 4.0 6.0 7.0 11.0 13.0 16.0 16.0 13.0 10.0 5.0 2.0 8.83
1660 0.0 4.0 6.0 9.0 11.0 14.0 15.0 16.0 13.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 9.08
1661 5.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 11.0 8.0 6.0 9.75
1662 5.0 6.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 11.0 6.0 3.0 9.50
1663 1.0 1.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 10.0 7.0 5.0 8.58
1664 4.0 5.0 5.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 16.0 16.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 4.0 9.33
1665 1.0 1.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 14.0 16.0 15.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 2.0 8.25
1666 4.0 5.0 6.0 8.0 11.0 15.0 18.0 17.0 14.0 11.0 6.0 3.0 9.83
1667 0.0 4.0 2.0 7.0 10.0 15.0 17.0 16.0 13.0 9.0 6.0 3.0 8.50
1668 5.0 5.0 5.0 8.0 10.0 14.0 16.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 5.0 9.50
1669 1.0 4.0 5.0 7.0 11.0 15.0 17.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 2.0 9.00
1670 3.0 1.0 5.0 8.0 11.0 14.0 16.0 16.0 14.0 10.0 6.0 3.0 8.92
1671 4.0 3.5 5.0 7.5 11.5 13.5 16.0 15.5 13.5 8.5 6.0 4.0 9.04
1672 1.5 1.5 5.0 7.0 12.0 16.0 15.0 14.0 11.0 11.5 6.5 4.5 8.79
1673 5.0 1.5 5.5 7.0 11.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 11.5 7.5 5.0 0.5 8.33
1674 5.0 2.0 1.0 7.5 11.0 13.5 14.0 13.5 10.5 9.0 6.5 3.5 8.08
1675 3.0 2.0 3.0 7.0 10.5 11.5 15.0 14.5 10.5 8.0 4.5 4.5 7.83
1676 5.5 5.0 5.0 7.5 10.5 18.0 16.0 16.5 12.0 7.0 3.5 -0.5 8.83
1677 3.0 3.5 7.0 7.5 10.0 13.0 18.0 15.0 13.0 8.5 4.5 2.0 8.75
1678 1.5 2.0 4.0 6.5 11.0 14.5 16.5 15.0 15.0 8.5 6.0 0.5 8.42
1679 1.0 1.5 4.5 7.0 12.0 15.5 16.0 17.0 13.0 11.0 3.5 2.5 8.71
1680 3.5 3.5 6.0 6.5 10.5 13.0 16.0 15.0 14.5 10.5 6.5 1.0 8.88
1681 0.5 1.5 4.0 8.0 10.5 14.0 15.0 16.0 14.0 11.5 6.5 3.0 8.71
1682 6.0 2.0 4.5 6.5 11.5 14.0 15.0 14.5 13.0 9.5 5.5 6.0 9.00
1683 3.5 2.0 5.5 9.5 11.5 16.0 15.5 13.5 13.0 6.5 4.5 0.5 8.46
1684 -3.0 -1.0 3.0 6.5 13.0 15.0 16.0 15.5 12.0 11.0 3.0 4.0 7.92
1685 0.5 3.5 5.0 8.5 12.5 14.5 14.0 14.5 11.5 11.5 7.0 6.5 9.13
1686 6.5 6.0 7.0 8.5 12.5 15.5 16.5 14.5 13.0 9.0 6.5 6.0 10.13
1687 3.5 4.5 4.5 6.5 11.0 13.0 15.5 15.0 11.0 11.0 6.0 6.0 8.96
1688 3.5 1.5 3.5 5.5 10.5 13.0 15.5 15.0 12.0 7.0 4.0 3.0 7.83
1689 0.5 4.5 5.0 8.0 11.0 12.0 15.5 15.5 13.0 8.0 5.0 4.5 8.54
1690 4.0 4.5 4.5 8.0 9.5 13.5 15.5 15.0 13.0 8.5 6.5 4.5 8.92
1691 1.0 1.0 5.0 6.5 10.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 11.0 9.0 5.0 3.5 8.13
1692 2.0 0.0 4.0 7.5 9.0 13.5 15.0 15.0 11.5 6.5 5.0 3.5 7.71
1693 3.0 5.0 3.0 6.5 9.0 14.5 15.0 15.0 12.0 9.5 6.0 3.0 8.46
1694 0.0 5.0 3.5 7.5 9.0 13.0 15.0 13.0 10.5 7.5 5.5 2.5 7.67
1695 -1.0 0.5 3.5 5.5 9.0 13.0 13.5 13.0 11.5 9.0 5.5 4.0 7.25
1696 5.5 4.5 3.5 5.5 10.5 13.0 15.5 15.5 11.5 9.0 5.5 2.5 8.50
1697 1.0 0.5 5.5 7.0 11.5 13.0 15.5 14.5 12.0 9.0 4.0 2.5 8.00
1698 0.0 0.5 3.5 7.5 8.5 12.0 15.0 15.0 13.0 9.0 4.0 3.5 7.63
1699 3.4 3.4 3.9 6.4 10.0 14.4 17.2 15.0 13.3 9.4 5.6 3.6 8.80
1700 3.9 2.5 3.6 6.4 12.0 13.6 15.0 15.0 12.8 8.9 5.0 4.2 8.57
1701 2.8 2.5 2.8 4.7 10.9 14.2 18.3 16.1 14.7 7.5 6.4 3.6 8.71
1702 5.0 6.7 5.8 5.8 10.6 13.3 15.0 16.1 14.4 10.0 4.4 4.4 9.29
1703 2.2 3.9 5.6 8.3 11.9 13.9 16.1 16.1 10.6 7.8 7.2 5.1 9.06
1704 2.0 3.3 5.3 8.3 11.5 14.4 16.7 16.9 11.9 8.3 6.4 3.6 9.05
1705 2.8 3.9 4.4 7.8 11.2 12.2 15.6 17.5 11.9 8.9 3.9 4.4 8.71
1706 2.8 4.2 6.4 8.9 12.2 15.6 16.1 16.7 12.5 11.2 6.1 4.7 9.78
1707 3.5 3.0 5.0 8.5 11.0 16.0 17.0 16.0 14.0 8.5 6.5 3.5 9.38
1708 6.0 4.0 6.5 9.5 10.5 14.0 15.0 17.0 15.0 8.5 7.0 3.0 9.67
1709 -1.5 2.0 3.0 9.0 12.0 14.5 15.5 15.5 13.5 10.0 7.5 3.5 8.71
1710 2.5 3.5 6.0 6.5 11.5 14.5 15.0 15.5 13.5 9.5 8.0 7.5 9.46
1711 5.0 2.0 5.5 9.5 11.0 15.5 15.5 15.0 13.0 9.5 7.0 4.0 9.38
1712 3.0 4.5 5.0 7.5 11.0 15.0 16.0 15.0 13.0 9.5 6.0 4.0 9.13
1713 3.0 5.5 4.5 5.5 10.5 13.5 14.0 15.0 14.0 9.5 4.5 4.0 8.63
1714 4.0 5.5 5.0 7.5 10.0 14.5 18.0 15.0 13.0 10.5 6.0 4.0 9.42
1715 4.0 5.0 6.5 9.5 11.0 14.0 15.5 15.0 14.0 10.5 6.5 1.5 9.42
1716 -2.0 3.0 4.5 9.0 10.5 14.0 15.5 15.5 12.5 9.5 5.5 3.0 8.38
1717 4.5 2.5 4.5 7.5 11.0 14.0 15.0 15.5 13.5 9.5 5.5 5.0 9.00
1718 1.5 3.0 5.5 7.5 11.0 14.5 17.0 17.0 14.5 9.5 5.5 4.5 9.25
1719 3.0 4.0 5.0 7.0 11.5 15.0 18.0 17.0 14.0 9.5 6.0 3.5 9.46
1720 4.5 4.0 4.0 7.5 11.0 13.0 16.0 15.0 13.5 9.0 6.0 5.5 9.08
1721 4.0 2.0 3.5 8.5 9.5 14.0 15.5 16.0 14.0 9.0 6.0 4.5 8.88
1722 4.0 5.0 6.0 7.5 10.5 14.0 15.0 15.0 13.5 10.0 7.8 3.9 9.35
1723 1.1 4.4 7.5 8.9 11.7 15.0 15.3 15.6 13.3 11.1 7.5 5.8 9.77
1724 5.6 4.2 4.7 7.2 11.4 15.3 15.0 16.2 14.4 8.6 5.3 3.3 9.27
1725 4.4 3.3 5.0 8.1 10.8 12.2 13.8 13.3 12.8 9.4 6.9 3.9 8.66
1726 1.1 4.2 4.2 8.4 13.4 16.4 16.0 15.6 14.7 10.2 6.1 1.8 9.34
1727 4.2 5.0 5.1 9.2 13.6 14.9 16.9 16.9 14.4 10.8 4.7 3.6 9.94
1728 3.9 2.4 7.1 8.3 12.5 16.4 16.9 16.0 12.8 9.1 7.2 1.6 9.52
1729 1.2 2.3 2.8 7.1 10.3 15.1 16.8 15.7 16.6 10.1 8.1 5.0 9.26
1730 4.1 4.7 6.2 8.7 12.4 14.0 15.3 16.3 15.3 10.9 9.2 3.4 10.04
1731 1.9 2.2 6.0 6.8 12.1 15.6 16.3 16.7 15.3 12.3 7.8 5.2 9.85
1732 2.4 6.4 6.1 8.9 11.4 14.6 16.0 16.6 14.5 10.9 6.3 2.2 9.69
1733 6.9 6.0 5.9 10.0 11.2 15.2 18.3 16.1 12.8 9.1 6.5 7.6 10.47
1734 4.3 6.4 8.1 9.3 11.1 14.1 16.2 16.2 13.3 8.4 6.2 4.0 9.80
1735 4.4 4.0 5.8 8.9 10.9 13.3 14.8 16.2 14.2 10.3 6.3 5.4 9.54
1736 6.4 3.1 6.9 8.6 10.6 15.7 16.4 17.8 14.4 10.4 6.9 6.4 10.30
1737 6.2 4.2 6.1 8.8 12.5 15.9 17.4 13.8 14.2 8.9 6.1 4.9 9.92
1738 4.6 4.6 5.5 9.9 11.4 14.2 16.4 16.0 12.5 10.2 6.3 6.1 9.81
1739 4.0 6.8 5.8 6.7 11.6 15.2 16.0 14.7 13.1 9.6 3.7 3.2 9.20
1740 -2.8 -1.6 3.9 6.4 8.6 12.8 15.3 14.7 14.0 5.3 3.3 2.2 6.84
1741 1.7 4.4 4.2 7.1 9.3 15.2 15.6 16.7 14.7 11.0 7.8 3.9 9.30
1742 1.9 3.6 4.1 6.6 10.6 15.0 15.8 15.8 12.2 9.2 4.4 1.1 8.36
1743 3.6 5.4 5.3 5.4 13.3 15.6 14.9 16.9 14.2 8.9 9.3 4.9 9.81
1744 1.4 2.9 4.8 6.7 10.8 14.4 16.4 15.4 12.8 9.4 6.9 3.5 8.78
1745 3.8 2.3 4.4 7.5 11.4 12.2 16.1 15.0 14.2 10.3 5.8 2.7 8.81
1746 2.5 1.4 3.1 6.9 12.8 14.3 15.8 15.9 14.2 7.8 3.3 5.3 8.61
1747 3.3 5.8 2.5 8.1 12.2 14.7 16.9 18.3 14.4 9.4 6.9 5.3 9.82
1748 2.5 1.8 1.8 6.3 10.4 14.8 15.4 15.8 14.2 9.2 7.1 6.0 8.77
1749 5.3 3.6 5.3 6.8 12.3 11.9 17.2 15.6 13.8 10.1 6.7 4.7 9.44
1750 4.0 6.7 8.2 7.7 10.7 14.2 17.2 15.0 15.2 9.2 4.0 4.2 9.69
1751 4.0 1.5 6.2 7.1 9.3 14.9 15.3 14.6 12.6 8.3 4.3 3.0 8.42
1752 3.2 3.1 5.6 6.8 10.3 14.8 15.6 15.7 13.9 10.6 6.5 4.2 9.19
1753 2.2 3.6 6.0 7.5 12.1 14.6 15.2 15.7 13.1 10.0 4.6 4.4 9.08
1754 3.3 2.8 3.4 6.7 12.2 13.6 14.7 15.7 13.9 10.4 5.7 3.6 8.83
1755 2.2 1.2 3.9 10.0 9.4 15.7 15.0 14.6 13.5 8.4 4.7 3.9 8.54
1756 4.4 4.6 6.0 6.7 9.1 13.8 16.1 14.7 13.6 9.4 3.9 2.9 8.77
1757 0.3 4.0 4.9 8.1 10.7 14.0 18.4 15.2 13.3 8.2 7.1 3.2 8.95
1758 2.6 3.8 5.2 7.2 13.8 14.6 14.2 16.4 11.9 8.1 5.7 3.9 8.95
1759 5.9 5.8 6.1 8.6 12.1 15.0 18.2 16.3 13.5 10.9 5.1 2.5 10.00
1760 1.9 3.8 6.6 9.4 11.7 15.2 16.9 15.8 15.7 9.2 5.7 6.1 9.83
1761 5.4 5.8 6.8 9.4 11.9 14.3 15.8 16.4 14.2 9.4 6.2 4.4 10.00
1762 4.7 4.0 3.7 10.0 12.9 16.9 17.8 15.3 13.6 7.9 4.6 3.6 9.58
1763 -0.8 4.9 5.4 8.9 10.2 14.6 15.3 15.3 13.1 8.3 5.8 6.2 8.93
1764 3.7 3.8 3.9 7.2 12.2 13.9 16.1 15.2 12.5 8.9 4.4 2.8 8.72
1765 4.8 0.4 5.0 7.5 11.4 13.8 15.7 15.3 13.3 9.2 3.9 1.7 8.50
1766 0.7 1.7 4.2 8.1 9.7 13.7 15.7 16.6 13.3 9.3 7.2 3.3 8.63
1767 0.1 5.4 4.7 7.3 10.0 12.8 14.4 16.1 14.1 9.2 6.9 3.3 8.69
1768 0.8 4.8 4.7 8.1 12.2 13.9 15.6 16.0 11.7 9.2 5.6 4.6 8.93
1769 2.5 2.7 5.0 7.8 11.3 13.1 16.4 15.0 12.8 8.2 5.7 4.8 8.77
1770 3.7 4.6 2.5 5.4 10.0 13.1 15.3 15.8 13.9 8.9 5.3 3.6 8.51
1771 1.0 3.2 3.1 5.5 12.2 14.3 15.7 14.3 12.2 9.2 6.3 5.6 8.55
1772 1.2 1.9 4.4 6.4 10.1 16.1 16.9 16.1 13.0 11.7 7.2 4.8 9.15
1773 4.0 2.6 6.5 8.3 10.3 14.7 15.9 17.2 12.4 9.9 5.3 3.8 9.24
1774 0.6 4.3 6.4 8.6 10.9 14.7 16.1 16.1 12.5 10.3 4.8 3.5 9.07
1775 4.6 6.1 6.0 9.8 12.6 16.6 16.7 15.8 14.3 9.3 4.8 4.5 10.09
1776 -1.6 3.8 6.4 9.4 10.8 14.1 16.3 15.2 12.9 10.2 6.2 4.4 9.01
1777 1.9 2.3 6.8 7.2 11.7 13.6 15.3 15.9 14.6 10.2 6.9 2.6 9.08
1778 1.9 3.2 4.6 8.2 10.6 15.4 17.3 16.8 12.2 7.4 6.7 6.1 9.20
1779 2.9 7.9 7.9 9.4 11.9 14.4 17.9 17.6 15.2 10.9 5.7 3.1 10.40
1780 -0.9 2.1 7.9 6.3 12.8 14.2 16.8 17.6 15.6 9.1 4.4 3.2 9.09
1781 2.1 4.8 6.6 9.2 12.1 16.2 17.4 17.3 14.2 10.6 6.5 5.4 10.20
1782 5.2 1.9 4.1 5.2 9.0 14.9 15.6 14.2 13.3 7.6 2.3 2.8 8.01
1783 3.4 3.3 3.3 10.1 10.4 14.8 18.8 15.8 12.8 9.8 6.2 2.7 9.28
1784 -0.6 1.4 2.7 5.7 13.5 13.7 15.2 14.0 14.8 7.8 5.5 0.3 7.83
1785 3.4 0.4 1.2 8.4 12.3 16.1 16.1 13.9 13.6 8.7 5.6 2.8 8.54
1786 2.7 3.4 2.1 8.1 11.2 16.1 15.0 15.1 11.7 7.5 3.3 2.8 8.25
1787 3.6 5.9 6.8 7.4 11.5 13.9 15.8 15.6 12.8 9.8 4.5 3.8 9.28
1788 3.9 3.8 3.6 9.4 13.8 15.4 15.8 15.8 13.4 9.8 6.1 -0.3 9.21
1789 1.5 5.0 2.1 7.4 12.5 14.0 15.4 16.6 13.1 8.6 4.6 6.1 8.91
1790 4.3 6.6 6.4 6.1 11.9 14.6 14.9 15.6 12.2 10.3 6.1 4.3 9.44
1791 4.3 4.7 6.5 9.6 10.6 14.7 15.3 15.9 13.8 8.9 5.9 1.1 9.27
1792 2.3 4.5 5.9 10.0 10.2 13.2 15.3 16.9 11.8 8.8 7.1 4.3 9.19
1793 2.8 4.6 4.2 6.2 10.9 13.5 17.6 15.0 11.7 11.3 6.0 5.3 9.09
1794 1.8 7.2 7.0 10.2 11.3 15.7 18.1 15.5 12.5 9.6 6.1 3.7 9.89
1795 -3.1 0.8 3.9 7.7 10.9 13.2 15.2 16.6 16.0 11.7 4.5 6.6 8.67
1796 7.3 4.7 4.2 10.2 10.3 13.9 14.7 15.9 14.6 8.1 4.6 -0.3 9.02
1797 3.5 4.6 4.3 7.4 11.3 13.6 17.3 15.8 12.5 8.2 4.7 4.8 9.00
1798 3.6 4.0 5.1 10.4 12.9 16.9 16.3 16.4 13.6 9.9 4.7 1.5 9.61
1799 1.7 2.8 3.4 5.4 9.6 14.1 15.2 14.4 12.9 8.3 5.6 1.3 7.89
1800 2.8 2.2 4.0 9.3 12.3 13.9 17.7 16.8 13.9 9.2 5.4 3.3 9.23
1801 4.6 4.8 6.7 8.3 12.1 14.8 16.1 17.1 14.2 10.2 4.8 1.5 9.60
1802 1.6 3.7 5.6 8.9 10.6 13.7 13.5 17.2 13.8 10.1 5.1 3.6 8.95
1803 1.8 3.4 6.3 9.1 10.5 13.7 17.6 16.1 11.4 9.3 5.0 4.4 9.05
1804 5.8 2.9 4.7 6.9 13.3 16.1 15.9 15.6 14.2 10.7 6.6 2.1 9.57
1805 2.1 4.1 6.2 8.3 10.2 13.2 16.0 16.4 14.6 8.2 4.8 3.6 8.97
1806 4.2 4.3 5.1 6.8 12.1 14.9 15.4 16.2 13.4 10.6 7.8 6.8 9.80
1807 2.8 3.7 2.9 7.7 11.8 14.2 17.1 16.9 10.5 11.4 2.9 1.9 8.65
1808 2.6 2.8 3.2 5.8 13.7 14.8 18.4 16.7 12.7 7.2 6.0 2.2 8.84
1809 2.0 5.7 6.0 5.2 13.1 13.7 15.1 14.8 12.7 10.2 4.6 4.1 8.93
1810 2.2 3.5 4.9 8.2 9.2 14.6 15.2 14.6 13.9 9.8 5.4 3.6 8.76
1811 1.2 4.6 7.1 8.9 12.8 14.1 16.1 14.4 13.7 12.3 7.7 3.1 9.67
1812 2.6 5.3 3.5 5.5 10.9 13.0 14.2 14.3 13.2 9.3 4.9 1.7 8.20
1813 1.9 5.8 6.8 7.6 11.6 13.6 15.0 14.5 12.5 8.1 4.3 2.8 8.71
1814 -2.9 1.4 2.9 9.6 9.2 12.2 16.0 14.7 12.8 8.1 4.7 4.3 7.75
1815 0.3 6.5 7.3 8.1 12.6 14.3 14.9 15.3 13.4 10.3 3.4 2.3 9.06
1816 2.7 2.1 3.9 6.6 9.9 12.8 13.4 13.9 11.8 10.3 3.9 3.1 7.87
1817 4.5 6.4 5.5 7.6 8.7 15.1 14.1 13.6 13.2 6.4 9.1 2.5 8.89
1818 4.4 2.7 4.5 6.9 11.3 16.4 18.2 15.3 13.3 12.0 9.5 3.6 9.84
1819 4.4 4.3 6.8 8.6 11.5 13.4 16.4 17.4 13.4 9.1 4.1 1.4 9.23
1820 -0.3 3.2 4.7 8.9 11.4 13.6 15.7 14.7 12.3 8.1 5.6 4.7 8.55
1821 3.6 2.1 5.7 9.5 9.4 12.3 14.8 16.4 14.9 10.4 8.6 6.4 9.51
1822 4.7 6.3 7.8 8.3 12.7 17.1 15.6 15.2 12.4 10.7 8.2 1.6 10.05
1823 -0.1 3.1 5.0 6.7 12.2 12.3 14.1 14.4 12.5 8.4 7.1 4.8 8.38
1824 4.3 4.7 4.6 7.4 10.7 13.4 16.0 15.1 13.7 9.5 7.2 5.1 9.31
1825 3.8 3.9 5.0 9.1 11.6 14.1 17.2 16.3 15.1 10.8 5.2 4.6 9.72
1826 0.4 6.4 6.3 8.8 11.2 17.3 17.9 17.6 13.6 11.1 4.4 5.8 10.07
1827 1.7 0.7 5.9 8.9 11.9 14.2 16.5 14.8 13.7 11.4 6.9 6.9 9.46
1828 5.1 5.2 6.6 8.3 12.4 15.4 16.0 15.3 14.3 10.2 7.4 7.4 10.30
1829 0.3 4.3 4.3 6.7 12.5 14.9 15.1 14.3 11.3 8.3 4.5 1.4 8.16
1830 -0.2 2.2 7.7 8.9 12.0 12.7 16.2 13.7 11.9 10.4 6.9 1.8 8.68
1831 1.6 4.8 7.2 9.2 11.5 15.4 16.7 16.9 13.7 12.7 5.6 5.8 10.09
1832 3.1 3.4 5.8 8.6 10.9 15.2 15.9 15.4 13.6 10.7 5.9 5.2 9.47
1833 1.2 5.6 3.9 7.7 15.1 14.6 15.8 14.3 12.1 10.1 6.6 6.9 9.49
1834 7.1 5.6 7.1 7.7 13.0 15.4 16.9 16.2 13.8 10.6 6.7 5.6 10.47
1835 2.9 5.7 5.8 8.6 11.3 15.0 16.4 16.9 13.4 8.9 6.6 3.1 9.55
1836 3.7 3.5 5.8 7.2 11.1 15.3 15.4 14.6 11.7 8.6 5.3 4.1 8.86
1837 2.7 4.7 2.3 4.7 9.9 15.5 16.9 15.7 12.5 10.5 5.2 5.3 8.82
1838 -1.5 0.4 4.9 6.1 10.5 14.4 15.6 15.1 12.7 9.8 4.6 4.0 8.05
1839 2.8 4.1 4.2 6.4 10.2 14.3 14.9 14.6 12.4 9.3 7.3 3.7 8.68
1840 4.1 3.6 3.8 9.7 11.4 14.1 13.8 15.9 11.1 7.5 5.8 1.3 8.51
1841 1.1 2.4 7.5 7.8 12.7 12.9 13.8 14.6 13.4 8.7 5.2 4.4 8.71
1842 0.6 4.2 6.4 7.8 11.4 15.6 14.5 17.1 13.2 7.2 5.5 7.2 9.22
1843 4.0 1.9 5.6 8.5 10.4 12.8 14.8 15.3 14.4 7.9 5.7 7.4 9.06
1844 3.8 1.6 4.7 9.8 10.8 14.7 15.4 13.5 13.3 9.2 5.9 0.4 8.59
1845 3.2 0.9 2.0 8.6 9.5 14.9 14.3 13.5 11.4 9.5 6.7 4.6 8.26
1846 6.3 6.4 6.1 7.8 12.3 18.2 16.5 16.6 14.7 9.5 6.9 0.5 10.15
1847 2.2 2.4 5.6 6.6 12.3 13.9 17.5 15.2 11.5 10.7 7.9 4.8 9.22
1848 1.3 6.1 5.9 8.2 13.9 14.5 15.6 13.6 12.8 9.7 5.8 5.6 9.42
1849 3.9 5.7 6.1 6.4 12.1 13.9 15.4 15.6 13.3 9.2 6.6 3.4 9.30
1850 0.7 6.4 4.7 9.0 10.1 15.4 16.2 14.5 12.3 7.9 7.4 4.6 9.10
1851 5.6 4.7 5.8 7.4 10.4 14.3 14.6 15.5 12.7 10.8 3.1 4.8 9.14
1852 4.9 4.7 5.2 8.2 10.6 13.2 18.7 15.8 12.9 7.8 7.9 7.7 9.80
1853 5.1 0.6 3.4 7.6 10.9 14.3 14.9 14.7 12.3 10.1 5.2 1.3 8.37
1854 3.6 4.3 6.7 9.2 10.3 13.2 15.4 15.2 14.4 9.4 4.9 5.1 9.31
1855 2.4 -1.7 3.3 7.1 8.8 13.3 16.8 15.7 13.2 9.7 5.3 2.4 8.02
1856 3.7 5.3 4.4 8.1 9.4 13.5 15.3 16.9 12.5 10.7 4.8 4.4 9.08
1857 2.6 4.3 5.3 7.5 11.3 15.8 16.4 17.4 14.5 11.3 7.2 7.3 10.07
1858 3.4 1.8 4.9 7.7 10.8 16.8 14.8 15.8 14.7 9.6 4.3 4.8 9.12
1859 4.9 5.7 7.3 7.5 11.7 14.8 18.3 16.2 12.9 9.6 4.8 1.6 9.61
1860 3.5 1.7 4.7 5.9 11.5 12.3 14.5 13.6 11.2 9.8 4.5 1.5 7.89
1861 1.7 4.9 6.3 7.5 10.4 14.8 15.0 15.9 13.1 11.8 4.2 3.9 9.13
1862 3.9 5.1 5.5 8.8 12.3 12.7 14.2 14.6 13.0 10.3 3.2 6.5 9.17
1863 4.9 5.8 6.5 8.8 10.6 13.6 15.2 15.5 11.6 9.9 7.3 6.3 9.67
1864 2.4 2.3 4.7 8.8 12.4 13.6 15.5 14.2 13.3 9.8 5.5 3.7 8.85
1865 2.1 2.3 2.9 10.6 12.6 15.6 16.6 15.1 16.3 9.7 6.7 5.8 9.69
1866 5.8 4.4 4.8 8.6 10.0 15.5 15.5 14.7 12.8 10.7 6.9 6.1 9.65
1867 1.2 6.9 3.1 9.3 11.4 14.1 14.9 16.3 13.6 9.3 4.8 3.4 9.02
1868 3.9 6.3 6.8 8.7 13.5 15.5 18.3 16.8 14.3 8.4 4.9 7.2 10.38
1869 5.6 7.5 3.8 10.1 9.6 13.2 17.3 15.5 14.4 9.7 5.8 2.9 9.62
1870 3.3 2.8 4.7 9.2 11.7 15.2 17.5 15.7 12.9 9.5 4.7 0.6 8.98
1871 0.5 6.1 7.3 8.7 11.3 12.8 15.2 17.2 12.7 9.8 3.4 3.6 9.05
1872 5.0 6.9 6.8 8.2 9.7 14.1 17.1 15.3 13.2 8.4 7.0 5.3 9.75
1873 5.2 1.8 5.4 7.7 9.9 14.2 16.2 15.4 11.8 8.6 6.3 5.3 8.98
1874 5.5 3.9 6.7 9.8 10.0 13.9 17.3 15.1 13.6 10.4 5.6 -0.2 9.30
1875 6.4 2.3 5.1 8.6 12.3 14.2 14.8 16.1 14.9 8.9 5.4 4.2 9.43
1876 3.2 4.8 4.5 7.9 9.6 14.3 17.2 16.5 12.7 11.3 6.1 6.0 9.51
1877 5.5 6.2 4.9 7.0 9.1 15.2 14.7 15.2 11.2 9.3 7.1 4.7 9.17
1878 4.6 5.6 5.4 8.9 11.8 15.1 16.6 16.2 13.3 10.2 3.5 -0.3 9.24
1879 -0.7 3.1 4.7 5.7 8.9 12.9 13.6 14.5 12.6 8.9 4.1 0.7 7.42
1880 0.9 5.8 6.2 7.9 10.4 13.8 15.5 16.4 14.6 7.1 5.4 5.1 9.09
1881 -1.5 3.2 5.3 7.3 11.8 13.7 16.2 13.9 12.7 7.3 8.9 3.9 8.56
1882 5.2 6.1 7.4 8.4 11.5 13.1 15.2 14.9 12.1 9.9 5.7 3.9 9.45
1883 4.7 5.9 1.9 8.1 10.6 13.9 14.5 15.3 13.3 9.7 5.8 4.6 9.02
1884 6.5 5.3 6.5 7.2 11.3 14.1 16.3 17.2 14.5 9.4 5.3 4.4 9.83
1885 2.9 5.8 4.5 7.7 8.9 13.9 16.3 13.6 12.2 7.5 5.9 3.7 8.57
1886 2.1 1.5 4.2 7.6 10.3 13.6 15.9 15.8 13.6 11.3 6.6 1.9 8.70
1887 2.4 3.8 3.3 6.2 9.4 15.3 17.3 15.7 11.8 7.1 4.4 2.6 8.27
1888 3.2 1.8 3.1 6.2 10.7 13.2 13.7 14.1 12.2 7.9 7.7 4.9 8.22
1889 3.4 2.9 4.7 7.1 12.9 15.3 15.3 14.7 12.8 8.6 6.9 3.3 8.99
1890 5.7 3.1 6.2 7.1 11.7 13.5 14.5 14.1 14.6 9.4 5.7 -0.8 8.73
1891 1.3 3.9 3.8 6.2 9.5 14.7 15.1 14.1 14.2 9.4 5.6 4.1 8.49
1892 2.3 3.6 2.7 7.3 11.6 13.4 14.3 15.2 12.4 7.1 6.4 1.8 8.17
1893 2.2 4.7 7.2 10.3 13.1 15.6 16.4 17.4 12.9 9.9 5.2 4.8 9.97
1894 3.4 5.1 6.7 9.7 9.2 13.5 15.9 14.2 11.6 9.3 7.9 5.1 9.30
1895 0.2 -1.8 5.1 8.2 12.4 14.8 15.2 15.8 15.4 7.1 7.5 3.9 8.65
1896 4.8 4.6 6.7 9.1 11.9 16.2 16.2 14.3 13.1 6.9 4.3 3.9 9.33
1897 1.6 5.8 6.5 7.1 10.0 15.1 16.5 16.2 12.1 9.9 7.6 4.7 9.42
1898 6.6 4.8 4.3 8.5 10.2 13.6 15.3 16.5 15.2 11.3 7.2 7.3 10.07
1899 4.9 5.1 5.1 7.8 9.9 15.7 17.3 17.8 13.2 8.8 8.5 2.2 9.69
1900 4.4 2.6 3.7 8.3 10.3 14.7 17.7 15.1 13.6 9.8 7.3 7.2 9.56
1901 3.5 2.3 4.1 8.6 11.5 13.9 18.0 15.6 13.9 9.7 4.8 3.4 9.11
1902 4.7 1.5 6.7 7.5 8.9 13.9 14.7 14.3 12.8 9.6 6.8 4.6 8.83
1903 4.2 7.1 7.1 6.4 11.1 13.0 15.3 14.3 13.1 10.5 6.4 3.3 9.32
1904 4.1 3.4 4.3 8.7 10.9 13.3 17.1 15.1 12.5 9.7 5.2 3.7 9.00
1905 3.6 5.2 6.8 7.3 10.8 14.7 17.2 14.7 12.4 7.1 4.9 4.9 9.13
1906 5.3 3.1 5.1 7.3 10.5 14.3 15.8 16.7 13.9 10.9 7.3 3.0 9.43
1907 3.6 2.8 6.3 7.6 10.5 12.4 14.1 14.3 13.6 9.8 6.5 4.6 8.84
1908 2.5 5.3 4.3 6.0 12.4 14.3 15.8 14.6 12.9 11.8 7.4 3.9 9.27
1909 3.5 2.9 3.7 8.7 11.0 11.8 14.6 15.4 11.9 10.4 4.8 3.9 8.55
1910 3.5 5.1 6.1 7.3 11.2 14.7 14.2 15.2 12.5 10.6 3.2 6.4 9.17
1911 3.8 4.8 5.2 7.5 12.9 14.5 18.2 18.2 13.9 9.3 6.1 6.2 10.05
1912 3.6 5.4 7.2 8.8 12.1 13.9 16.1 12.9 11.1 8.2 6.3 6.7 9.36
1913 4.5 4.8 6.2 8.1 11.4 14.3 14.6 15.2 14.1 10.9 8.4 5.1 9.80
1914 3.7 6.8 6.1 9.8 10.8 14.5 15.8 16.1 13.3 10.3 6.8 4.6 9.88
1915 4.1 4.3 5.2 7.9 10.8 14.4 14.6 15.3 13.4 9.1 2.8 5.3 8.93
1916 7.5 3.8 3.3 8.2 11.6 11.8 15.3 16.4 13.0 10.6 6.8 1.9 9.18
1917 1.6 0.9 3.2 5.4 12.8 15.2 16.1 15.3 14.0 7.5 7.8 2.3 8.51
1918 3.8 6.5 5.7 6.7 13.0 13.3 15.4 16.1 11.9 9.3 5.5 6.9 9.51
1919 2.9 1.9 3.6 7.1 13.5 14.3 13.9 15.7 12.7 7.4 3.3 5.5 8.48
1920 5.2 6.0 7.2 8.2 11.8 14.4 14.1 13.6 13.0 10.4 6.8 4.2 9.57
1921 7.3 4.8 7.4 8.0 11.5 14.7 18.5 15.4 14.1 12.8 4.6 6.5 10.47
1922 3.7 4.4 4.6 5.5 12.7 13.8 13.7 13.6 12.2 8.2 5.9 5.8 8.67
1923 5.6 5.6 6.5 7.6 9.2 12.5 17.5 15.2 12.5 9.7 3.3 3.8 9.08
1924 4.7 3.3 4.1 6.9 11.6 13.9 15.3 14.1 13.3 10.1 7.1 6.8 9.27
1925 5.3 5.2 4.9 7.5 11.6 15.0 16.8 15.4 11.5 10.4 3.6 2.8 9.17
1926 4.6 6.8 6.3 9.3 10.2 13.6 17.1 16.2 14.4 8.1 5.9 4.2 9.72
1927 4.6 3.9 7.3 7.9 11.2 12.6 15.9 15.7 12.5 10.5 6.2 2.1 9.20
1928 5.2 5.8 6.3 8.5 10.9 12.9 16.1 15.3 12.8 10.1 7.6 3.4 9.57
1929 1.3 0.4 6.2 6.8 11.3 13.3 16.0 15.4 15.3 9.6 6.7 5.8 9.01
1930 5.6 2.5 5.3 8.3 10.7 15.3 15.2 15.7 13.6 10.5 6.2 4.3 9.43
1931 3.2 3.9 4.2 7.7 11.4 14.4 15.3 14.4 11.5 8.8 7.8 5.3 8.99
1932 6.3 2.9 4.7 6.9 10.5 14.1 16.1 17.1 12.9 8.8 6.6 5.7 9.38
1933 2.2 4.3 7.3 8.8 12.2 15.6 17.8 17.6 14.9 10.1 5.6 1.6 9.83
1934 4.1 3.8 4.8 8.0 11.3 14.9 18.2 15.4 14.6 10.6 6.1 8.1 9.99
1935 4.5 5.8 6.6 8.2 9.9 15.1 17.1 16.6 13.6 9.5 6.9 2.8 9.72
1936 3.7 2.6 7.1 6.3 11.5 14.7 15.3 16.1 14.4 9.4 5.5 5.3 9.32
1937 5.2 5.6 3.6 9.2 12.2 14.1 16.1 16.9 13.4 10.4 5.1 3.0 9.57
1938 5.7 5.1 9.1 7.6 10.7 14.4 15.2 16.3 13.8 10.5 9.4 4.4 10.18
1939 4.2 5.6 5.8 8.8 11.4 14.2 15.5 16.4 14.2 8.2 8.7 3.2 9.68
1940 -1.4 2.6 6.0 8.7 12.5 16.4 15.1 15.6 12.8 9.6 6.9 3.8 9.05
1941 0.5 3.5 5.1 6.4 9.4 15.1 17.3 14.7 14.5 10.4 6.6 5.6 9.09
1942 0.9 0.1 5.2 9.2 11.1 14.4 15.5 16.6 13.6 10.4 4.9 6.7 9.05
1943 4.9 6.1 6.5 10.5 11.8 14.4 16.4 16.1 13.3 10.6 6.3 3.5 10.03
1944 5.8 3.6 5.2 10.2 11.4 13.5 16.5 17.0 12.5 9.3 6.2 3.6 9.57
1945 0.4 7.1 7.9 10.1 12.2 14.6 16.7 15.9 14.4 11.9 7.2 4.9 10.27
1946 2.7 5.9 5.1 9.9 10.7 13.1 16.3 14.7 14.0 9.8 8.1 3.1 9.45
1947 2.2 -1.9 3.6 8.6 13.5 15.5 17.0 18.6 14.9 10.6 7.2 5.1 9.57
1948 5.4 4.7 8.3 9.0 11.4 13.5 15.8 15.1 13.8 10.1 7.3 5.7 10.01
1949 5.5 5.7 5.1 10.0 11.2 15.3 17.4 16.8 16.3 11.7 6.6 5.8 10.62
1950 4.2 5.3 7.4 7.6 11.3 16.2 15.9 15.6 12.9 9.6 5.7 1.2 9.41
1951 3.9 3.7 4.1 6.8 10.1 14.0 16.3 14.8 14.1 9.4 8.5 5.5 9.27
1952 2.7 3.4 6.6 9.6 13.4 14.4 16.8 15.8 10.7 8.8 4.2 2.8 9.10
1953 3.3 4.3 5.6 7.3 12.6 14.4 15.5 16.2 13.8 9.7 8.5 6.9 9.84
1954 2.9 2.6 5.8 7.6 11.2 13.4 14.2 14.6 12.7 11.9 6.9 6.8 9.22
1955 2.6 1.2 3.2 9.3 9.7 13.8 17.7 18.1 14.2 9.2 7.0 5.4 9.28
1956 3.6 -0.2 6.2 6.9 11.7 13.1 15.8 13.5 14.3 9.4 6.0 5.7 8.83
1957 5.5 5.3 9.2 8.9 10.3 15.2 16.3 15.4 12.5 10.8 6.4 4.5 10.02
1958 3.4 4.7 3.7 7.4 11.1 14.1 15.9 15.8 15.1 10.8 6.4 4.7 9.42
1959 1.6 4.4 7.3 9.4 12.8 15.2 17.3 17.2 14.9 12.6 7.1 6.0 10.48
1960 3.8 4.1 6.4 8.9 12.8 16.1 15.1 15.0 13.1 10.3 7.3 3.9 9.73
1961 3.9 6.9 8.2 10.0 11.0 14.4 15.2 15.4 15.2 10.9 6.0 2.2 9.94
1962 4.3 4.4 2.8 7.7 10.3 13.7 15.1 14.5 12.6 10.4 5.5 1.8 8.59
1963 -2.1 -0.7 6.0 8.7 10.6 14.9 15.2 14.3 12.9 11.1 8.2 2.6 8.47
1964 3.4 4.5 4.3 8.7 13.3 13.8 16.1 15.5 14.1 8.9 7.4 3.6 9.47
1965 3.3 3.1 5.2 8.0 11.7 14.7 14.0 14.9 12.3 11.0 4.5 4.7 8.95
1966 2.9 5.7 6.5 7.2 11.0 15.4 15.0 14.7 13.8 10.1 5.6 5.5 9.45
1967 4.5 5.4 7.0 7.7 10.4 14.0 16.7 15.7 13.5 10.8 5.4 4.2 9.61
1968 4.4 1.9 6.3 8.1 9.8 14.8 15.0 15.4 13.9 12.5 6.5 3.0 9.30
1969 5.5 1.0 3.3 7.4 11.2 13.9 16.8 16.4 13.9 13.0 5.4 3.3 9.26
1970 3.7 2.9 3.7 6.7 13.0 16.4 15.2 16.0 14.4 10.7 7.8 4.3 9.57
1971 4.5 4.5 4.9 7.9 11.6 12.4 16.9 15.6 14.0 11.3 6.0 6.6 9.68
1972 3.9 4.3 6.5 8.2 10.5 11.8 15.6 15.1 11.7 10.6 6.3 5.8 9.19
1973 4.5 4.3 6.2 7.0 11.4 14.8 15.6 16.5 14.3 9.0 6.0 4.9 9.54
1974 5.9 5.4 5.8 8.2 11.0 13.9 15.2 15.2 12.1 7.8 6.8 8.1 9.62
1975 6.8 4.4 4.8 8.3 9.9 14.7 17.4 18.7 13.5 9.9 6.3 5.3 10.00
1976 5.9 4.5 4.8 8.1 12.1 17.0 18.7 17.6 13.4 10.6 6.3 2.0 10.08
1977 2.8 5.2 6.9 7.2 10.6 12.2 15.9 15.2 13.3 11.8 6.6 6.1 9.48
1978 3.4 2.8 6.7 6.5 11.7 13.7 14.8 15.0 14.2 11.9 8.5 3.9 9.42
1979 -0.4 1.2 4.7 7.8 10.0 13.9 16.2 14.9 13.5 11.3 6.8 5.8 8.81
1980 2.3 5.7 4.7 8.8 11.2 13.8 14.7 15.9 14.7 9.0 6.6 5.6 9.42
1981 4.9 3.0 7.9 7.8 11.2 13.2 15.5 16.2 14.5 8.6 7.8 0.3 9.24
1982 2.6 4.8 6.1 8.6 11.6 15.5 16.5 15.7 14.2 10.1 8.0 4.4 9.84
1983 6.7 1.7 6.4 6.8 10.3 14.4 19.5 17.3 13.7 10.5 7.5 5.6 10.03
1984 3.8 3.3 4.7 8.1 9.9 14.5 16.9 17.6 13.7 11.1 8.0 5.2 9.73
1985 0.8 2.1 4.7 8.3 10.9 12.7 16.2 14.6 14.6 11.0 4.1 6.3 8.86
1986 3.5 -1.1 4.9 5.8 11.1 14.8 15.9 13.7 11.3 11.0 7.8 6.2 8.74
1987 0.8 3.6 4.1 10.3 10.1 12.8 15.9 15.6 13.6 9.7 6.5 5.6 9.05
1988 5.3 4.9 6.4 8.2 11.9 14.4 14.7 15.2 13.2 10.4 5.2 7.5 9.77
1989 6.1 5.9 7.5 6.6 13.0 14.6 18.2 16.6 14.7 11.7 6.2 4.9 10.50
1990 6.5 7.3 8.3 8.0 12.6 13.6 16.9 18.0 13.2 11.9 6.9 4.3 10.63
1991 3.3 1.5 7.9 7.9 10.8 12.1 17.3 17.1 14.7 10.2 6.8 4.7 9.52
1992 3.7 5.4 7.5 8.7 13.6 15.7 16.2 15.3 13.4 7.8 7.4 3.6 9.86
1993 5.9 4.6 6.7 9.5 11.4 15.0 15.2 14.6 12.4 8.5 4.6 5.5 9.49
1994 5.3 3.2 7.7 8.1 10.7 14.5 18.0 16.0 12.7 10.2 10.1 6.4 10.24
1995 4.8 6.5 5.6 9.1 11.6 14.3 18.6 19.2 13.7 12.9 7.7 2.3 10.52
1996 4.3 2.5 4.5 8.5 9.1 14.4 16.5 16.5 13.6 11.7 5.9 2.9 9.20
1997 2.5 6.7 8.4 9.0 11.5 14.1 16.7 18.9 14.2 10.2 8.4 5.8 10.53
1998 5.2 7.3 7.9 7.7 13.1 14.2 15.5 15.9 14.9 10.6 6.2 5.5 10.34
1999 5.5 5.3 7.4 9.4 12.9 13.9 17.7 16.1 15.6 10.7 7.9 5.0 10.63
2000 4.9 6.3 7.6 7.8 12.1 15.1 15.5 16.6 14.7 10.3 7.0 5.8 10.30
2001 3.2 4.4 5.2 7.7 12.6 14.3 17.2 16.8 13.4 13.3 7.5 3.6 9.93
2002 5.5 7.0 7.6 9.3 11.8 14.4 16.0 17.0 14.4 10.1 8.5 5.7 10.60
2003 4.5 3.9 7.5 9.6 12.1 16.1 17.6 18.3 14.3 9.2 8.1 4.8 10.50
2004 5.2 5.4 6.5 9.4 12.1 15.3 15.8 17.6 14.9 10.5 7.7 5.4 10.48
2005 6.0 4.3 7.2 8.9 11.4 15.5 16.9 16.2 15.2 13.1 6.2 4.4 10.44
2006 4.3 3.7 4.9 8.6 12.3 15.9 19.7 16.1 16.8 13.0 8.1 6.5 10.82
2007 7.0 5.8 7.2 11.2 11.9 15.1 15.2 15.4 13.8 10.9 7.3 4.9 10.48
2008 6.6 5.4 6.1 7.9 13.4 13.9 16.2 16.2 13.5 9.7 7.0 3.5 9.96
2009 3.0 4.1 7.0 10.0 12.1 14.8 16.1 16.6 14.2 11.6 8.7 3.1 10.11
2010 1.4 2.8 6.1 8.8 10.7 15.2 17.1 15.3 13.8 10.3 5.2 -0.7 8.83
2011 3.7 6.4 6.7 11.8 12.2 13.8 15.2 15.4 15.1 12.6 9.6 6.0 10.70
2012 5.4 3.8 8.3 7.2 11.7 13.5 15.5 16.6 13.0 9.7 6.8 4.8 9.70
2013 3.5 3.2 2.7 7.5 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.9 -99.99

(Trying to put people to sleep?) MOD

Mike From Au
Reply to  tom0mason
June 7, 2018 2:14 am

The scroll and even the “down the page” arrow on my keyboard was vastly more efficient than the “read more” click button to see your important data Tom.

Mike From Au
Reply to  Mike From Au
June 7, 2018 2:36 am

Clicking the mouse to “read more” is very time consuming. Easier to just scroll to the important data.

Joel O’Bryan
June 4, 2018 7:48 pm

Characters limited to 500?
That will be huge LimFac.

Phil Rae
June 4, 2018 7:51 pm

OK…….I found my recent comment after a few minutes delay which is heartening. However, I go with another poster’s comments in saying that the new format looks “busy” and the posting box at the top only is a real pain and bound to cause problems of multiple redundant comments! Personally, I preferred the old format but I realise you’re trying to improve things. Keep up the good work, sir! Thanks!

Editor
June 4, 2018 7:52 pm

This is a comment from … well … me. As are all other comments.

w.

JWurts
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 5, 2018 3:33 pm

I’m confused, are you saying that all comments are from you?

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 7:53 pm

Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …

Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

— JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)

Don Knuth had a similar quote.

Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.

Sandy, Minister of Future

Editor
June 4, 2018 7:57 pm

A test image …

comment image

another …

comment image

w.

Thomas Ryan
June 4, 2018 7:59 pm

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

tom0mason
June 4, 2018 8:03 pm

For evidence of ‘tipping points’ is utter nonsense see the complete political BS put out by the likes of CS Goldsmith here.. This sort of junk is what the deranged rich and powerful wish everyone to believe so that they can profit from your ignorant compliance.
If this is the same CS Goldsmith that works at CDC then shame on him, as he should be able to think logically, not just emote on Malthusian themes. It just goes to show that there is a tipping point, and it has tipped over in some peoples’ ability to think rationally, scientifically, or even logically.

Hifast
June 4, 2018 8:04 pm

RIP reblog button….

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 8:08 pm

People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
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They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat. While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
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Very cute little killers in training.
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Sandy, Minister of Future

jorgekafkazar
June 4, 2018 8:10 pm

Image test.
And no image.

June 4, 2018 8:11 pm

Looking back at some past comments, the text of href type links seems to have disappeared. A space remains, and if you click on the space, it links. But the anchor text has gone.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 8:36 pm

I think it is just a text color issue.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 4, 2018 9:15 pm

Here is a link to WUWT.
I think it is just in indented comments.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 4, 2018 10:52 pm

It seems white is the color for links already visited. Also hovered over.

Phil.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 4, 2018 9:55 pm

I just noticed that this happened in one of my posts, the link is in white text so can’t be seen:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/climate-models-vs-climate-data-a-thought-experiment/#comment-2369465

Testicle
June 4, 2018 8:14 pm

Posting a testy test comment.

June 4, 2018 8:18 pm

Commenting.

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 8:21 pm

Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …
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Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

— JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)
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Don Knuth had a similar quote.
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Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.
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Sandy, Minister of Future

eyesonu
June 4, 2018 8:24 pm

Getting involved on this thread has caused a bit of confusion to me, the dog, probably the neighbors cat and maybe even firefox. Anyone else? >?>??>?> Edited edition is same as original except for this edit.

Joel O'Bryan
June 4, 2018 8:34 pm

Open Thread test:

Climate Change Has Run Its Course
https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876

By Steven F. Hayward
June 4, 2018 6:54 p.m. ET
101 COMMENTS

Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.

The descent of climate change into the abyss of social-justice identity politics represents the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality. Climate alarm is like a car alarm—a blaring noise people are tuning out.

This outcome was predictable. Political scientist Anthony Downs described the downward trajectory of many political movements in an article for the Public Interest, “Up and Down With Ecology: The ‘Issue-Attention Cycle,’ ” published in 1972, long before the climate-change campaign began. Observing the movements that had arisen to address issues like crime, poverty and even the U.S.-Soviet space race, Mr. Downs discerned a five-stage cycle through which political issues pass regularly.

The first stage involves groups of experts and activists calling attention to a public problem, which leads quickly to the second stage, wherein the alarmed media and political class discover the issue. The second stage typically includes a large amount of euphoric enthusiasm—you might call it the “dopamine” stage—as activists conceive the issue in terms of global peril and salvation. This tendency explains the fanaticism with which divinity-school dropouts Al Gore and Jerry Brown have warned of climate change.

Then comes the third stage: the hinge. As Mr. Downs explains, there soon comes “a gradually spreading realization that the cost of ‘solving’ the problem is very high indeed.” That’s where we’ve been since the United Nations’ traveling climate circus committed itself to the fanatical mission of massive near-term reductions in fossil fuel consumption, codified in unrealistic proposals like the Kyoto Protocol. This third stage, Mr. Downs continues, “becomes almost imperceptibly transformed into the fourth stage: a gradual decline in the intensity of public interest in the problem.”

Read more at:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876?mod=nwsrl_review_outlook_u_s_&cx_refModule=nwsrl

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 4, 2018 8:36 pm

note: blockquote doesn’t clearly delineate what was in the blockquote.

LearDog
June 4, 2018 8:39 pm

Thanks Anthony! The update looks great! Congrats all around.

Also – an off-topic request (apologies): can you place the Search function in the Main menu? I’m not sure how to search for older posts

June 4, 2018 8:41 pm

Sorry Anthony, but your new system completely trashed this entry adn probably every other entry I’ve made on wattsup – typically deleting url’s in a random manner so the article often makes no sense.

Here I have changed http to https and will comment on the results.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/speculative-climate-chaos-v-indisputable-fossil-fuel-benefits/#comment-2369403

Notes for Judge Alsup – I’ve added a few points to my 2008 and 2015 papers.

Regards, Allan

PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTING TEMPERATURE DRIVES ATMOSPHERIC CO2 MORE THAN CO2 DRIVES TEMPERATURE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, P.Eng., June 13, 2015
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/13/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/

Observations and Conclusions:

1. Temperature, among other factors, drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature. The rate of change dCO2/dt is closely correlated with temperature and thus atmospheric CO2 LAGS temperature by ~9 months in the modern data record. The rate of change dCO2/dt vs. temperature plot follows:

https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1979/mean:12/derivative/plot/uah5/from:1979/scale:0.22/offset:0.14

2. CO2 also lags temperature by ~~800 years in the ice core record, on a longer time scale.

3. Atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales.

4. CO2 is the feedstock for carbon-based life on Earth, and Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are clearly CO2-deficient. CO2 abatement and sequestration schemes are nonsense.

5. Based on the evidence, Earth’s climate is insensitive to increased atmospheric CO2 – there is no global warming crisis.

6. Recent global warming was natural and irregularly cyclical – the next climate phase following the ~20 year pause will probably be global cooling, starting by ~2020 or sooner.

7. Adaptation is clearly the best approach to deal with the moderate global warming and cooling experienced in recent centuries.

8. Cool and cold weather kills many more people than warm or hot weather, even in warm climates. There are about 100,000 Excess Winter Deaths every year in the USA and about 10,000 in Canada.

9. Green energy schemes have needlessly driven up energy costs, reduced electrical grid reliability and contributed to increased winter mortality, which especially targets the elderly and the poor.

10. Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of modern society. When politicians fool with energy systems, real people suffer and die. That is the tragic legacy of false global warming alarmism.

Allan MacRae, Calgary, June 12, 2015

References:

“CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING:
THE FUTURE CAN NOT CAUSE THE PAST”
By Allan MacRae, January 2008
https://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
Spreadsheet at
https://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRaeFig5b.xls

“COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER“
By Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf

________________________________________________________________________

ADDENDA:

A. RE POINT #1 ABOVE: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ~9-MONTH CO2 LAG AND THE AVERAGE ~36-MONTH TEMPERATURE CYCLE IN THE EQUATORIAL PACIFIC.

Introduction:

I proved in January 2008 that the rate-of-change dCO2/dt varies ~contemporaneously with global atmospheric temperature, and its integral the atmospheric CO2 trend lags temperature by ~9 months.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
– See Figures 1 and 3

The integral of a sine curve lags the sine curve by 90 degrees, which equals 1/4 of the 360 degree full cycle.

CO2 lags temperature by about 9 months, therefore this total cycle time should be about 4×9 = 36 months.

Hypothesis:
This approx. 36 month cycle is the Equatorial Pacific Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Cycle and the Global Temperature cycle.

Equatorial Pacific Ocean SST’s and global atmospheric temperatures have a natural temperature cycle (peak-to-peak) averaging about 36 months peak-to-peak.
For example, based on UAH LT temperature peaks, the mean cycle is 36.3 months and the lag is 9.1 months vs the approx. 9 months in my 2008 icecap.us paper.

The above Hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

B. GLOBAL ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERATURES CLOSELY FOLLOW EQUATORIAL PACIFIC OCEAN TEMPERATURES WITH A 4-to-6 MONTH LAG

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/28/solar-activity-flatlines-weakest-solar-cycle-in-200-years/comment-page-1/#comment-2803244

Summary:

The Equatorial Pacific Ocean has a natural Sea Surface Temperature cycle averaging about 36 months peak-to-peak.

Equatorial average air temperature and humidity follow Equatorial Pacific Ocean temperature – about 3 months after the Nino34 SST Anomaly and about 5 months after the East Equatorial Upper Ocean Temperature Anomaly.

Global average air temperature follows Equatorial average air temperature and humidity about 1 month later – about 4 months after the Nino34 SST Anomaly and about 6 months after the East Equatorial Upper Ocean Temperature Anomaly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1458004480943776&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1618235531587336&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

Notes:
“Sato” is an adjustment for the Sato Global Mean Optical Depth Index – the volcanic atmospheric aerosol index.
Formula: UAHLTcalc Global (Anom. in degC) = 0.20*Nino3.4IndexAnom (four months earlier) + 0.15 – 8*SatoGlobalMeanOpticalDepthIndex
Data: Sato Global Mean Aerosol Optical Depth at 550 nm https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/strataer/tau.line_2012.12.txt

C: ALSO RE POINT #1 ABOVE: HUMLUM ET AL REACHED SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS IN 2013:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

“Highlights:
– Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.
– Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5–10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.
– Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.
– Changes in ocean temperatures explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.
– Changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.”

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1551019291642294&set=a.1012901982120697.1073741826.100002027142240&type=3&theater

D. CONCLUSIONS:

I suggest that the global warming alarmists could not be more wrong. These are the true facts, which are opposite to their alarmist claims:

1. CO2 is plant food, and greater atmospheric CO2 is good for natural plants and also for agriculture.

2. Earth’s atmosphere is clearly CO2-deficient and the current increase in CO2 (whatever the causes) is net strongly beneficial.

3. Increased atmospheric CO2 does not cause significant global warming – regrettable because the world is too cold and about to get colder.

Regards to all, Allan

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 4, 2018 10:08 pm

If you click on “Read More”,
then it displays it correctly with all the HTML format embeds.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 4, 2018 10:35 pm

Interesting. But it doesn’t help for short comments.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 5, 2018 3:19 am

Hi again Anthony and Moderators:

I changed all http to https and your new Comments system still deleted many urls, while displaying some of them.

Also, most of the url’s that did appear did not work but instead displayed error messages.

If it helps to diagnose problems, let me know and I will email you the full post – it is difficult to diagnose here because parts of it are just gone – url’s deleted – and most of the url’s that do appear no longer work – instead get error messages.

So my original comment stands – this post is trashed by your new Comments system – and probably also every other long post I have made on wattsup, where I often support my claims and/or shorten my posts with supporting url’s.

If I am doing something wrong then let me know – but I have to assume that all my previous long posts that include url’s have been similarly trashed.

Best personal regards, Allan

List of Deleted url’s
Deleted 1 url just above Notes for Judge Alsup
Deleted 1 url just below By Allan M.R. MacRae, P.Eng., June 13, 2015
Deleted 1 url in Section B just above Summary
Deleted 2 url’s in Section B just above Notes
Deleted 1 url in Section C just above Highlights
Deleted 1 url in Section C just above d. CONCLUSIONS
The Deleted url’s typically appear as blank vertical spaces

List of other problems
woodfortrees url is visible but no longer displays figure when you click on it – instead you get an error message
3 icecap url’s are visible but do not work – get an error message 404 Not Found

The may be a few more issues but my brain hurts – time to go kick the (fictitious) cat again.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 5, 2018 3:55 am

Further information for Anthony and Moderators:
woodfortrees and icecap.us ONLY work on my computer with http and get and error message when using https

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 5, 2018 4:23 am

Another comment for Anthony and Moderators

Checking my article on wattsup from June 2015, it appears the vertical spacing is messed up. I presume this is the new server and not the new Comments gadget.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/

Editor
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 6, 2018 6:21 pm

Vertical spacing? Ah, you mean space between paragraphs, bullet items, and whatnot?

Part of the above page in the old style is captured at

comment image

Johndo
June 4, 2018 8:42 pm

Prior to the transfer I did not have to allow any scripts to read the site.
Now I have to allow scripts from wattsupwiththat.com and netdna-ssl.com to get images to display.
Using Privacy Badger I note ove the last couple of hours a steady increase of sites tracking users of this site.

Clyde Spencer
June 4, 2018 8:47 pm

Anthony,
At your suggestion, I’m trying the new comment editor. Let’s see if I’m given the opportunity to do post-comment editing;
Yes, post-comment editing seems to be working for me now. It even allowed me to do it twice.

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 8:53 pm

* this was my 1st post … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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Hi Anthony. Tnx 4 hard wrk. Reminder …
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Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.

— JOHN VON NEUMANN (1951)
.
.
Don Knuth had a similar quote.
.
.
Useing samsung 7″ tablet, chrome brsr.
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Sandy, Minister of Future

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 8:55 pm

* this was my 2nd post … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
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.
They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat.
While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
.
.
Very cute little killers in training.
.
.
Sandy, Minister of Future

June 4, 2018 8:58 pm

Hate it so far Anthony, but maybe I just don’t understand all the features.

How do you record a link in your own records to your post so you can refer to or find your post later?

So far this system has trashed my older posts, dropping urls irregularly, messing up line spacing, paragraphs, figures, etc.

It has features I will never use, and drops the ones I do use.

Apologies – this has put me in a really bad mood – I think I will now go and kick the cat.

Khwarizmi
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 4, 2018 9:40 pm

How do you record a link in your own records to your post so you can refer to or find your post later?

There is an icon to the right of your name representing two links in a chain.
Click it, then try to navigate around the stupid social networking icons that pop up over the URL so that you get get a cursor on the URL,
then swipe the URL with your mouse, copy it,
paste it into your address bar and save it as favorite/bookmark.

.e.g: direct link to your comment:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/open-thread-trying-out-a-new-comment-system/#comment-2370223

addendum: – the messed up formatting in old comments is restored when you expand the comment.

Reply to  goldminor
June 4, 2018 9:09 pm

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=168.56,-92.34,672/loc=50.927,-79.800

Odd, I can’t see the link, but clicking on the spot takes me to the linked site.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  goldminor
June 4, 2018 9:22 pm

I can see it. It’s blue.

eyesonu
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 4, 2018 9:36 pm

move your mouse pointer over the blue link and see if it disappears. I have the same issue as goldminor but I can learn to live with it ,..,.;,. testing how many times I can edit.,..,.,., this is the third edit.,.,.,. I’m pushing my luck this is the fourth edit.,..,.,.,. this is the fifth. It’s gonna be fun. chang the words faster than a Clinton.,.,..,,this is the sixth time. After the test and some comment replys I can just change my comment to something about the neighbor’s cat and make anyone look like a jerkwagon.,..,.,, this is the seventh time. Ahhh, the possibilities! Head games galore. Just think , you can write it and then change what you just said. I’m gonna run for political office. The wayback machine and hot mics are dead! ,..,.,.,.,My keyboard will die before I have to stop changing my mind or what I write,.,…,,.,.,

Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 9:46 pm

Next step, can I get a picture to show. ..comment image

Reply to  goldminor
June 4, 2018 9:46 pm

Nice and simple! ..comment image?w=880&h=768

Reply to  goldminor
June 4, 2018 9:54 pm

That is me and Rikki Tikki back in the mid 1990s. Much easier to post pics from my WordPress site now.

editting again, I posted the pic in an edit. Very manageable.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 4, 2018 9:42 pm

Had to disable ghostery. Now I can see it.

eyesonu
Reply to  goldminor
June 4, 2018 9:53 pm

where is ‘ghostery’

Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 11:28 pm

Ghostery for either Chrome or Firefox is an add on. I am giving up on Firefox though, and sticking with Chrome. Gostery gives great control over trackers on all sites, except for here where it is best to disable it. It speeds up page loading quite a bit when it shows you which tracker is impeding the page the most. You then block that one and a page may go from 6 or 8 seconds down to 2 or 3 seconds on loading. Quite a nice difference, imo.

Reply to  eyesonu
June 4, 2018 11:33 pm
eyesonu
Reply to  goldminor
June 5, 2018 6:15 am

Thanks

eyesonu
Reply to  goldminor
June 5, 2018 6:18 am

earlier “Thanks” comment did not locate under my intended reply and ‘goldminors’ comment/link.

this comment time 9:18 am

eyesonu
Reply to  goldminor
June 5, 2018 6:24 am

Ok …. this is as far as indent will go at this level of sub-thread. That’s OK by me but ‘reply ‘ button could cause confusion in location of a reply to an existing reply if you know how/where it’s going to display.

edit to show time of posting as 9:26

June 4, 2018 9:21 pm

Anthony:

Two points,

a) I frequently receive duplicate emails to the same address (see below)
b) much prefer reading on the iPhone WordPress app but since the change, all I see is just the first paragraph of the post and nothing more. Will this be fixed?

Did you see the editorial in this week’s Oil & Gas Journal (4th June), I’d send you a link if I knew how. Very good article about the struggle between Alberta and BC over the way the central government have, essentially nationalised the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline project after it was blocked by the activist (propped up by greens) government in BC? It’d be worth a comment on WUWT.

Cheers

John F. Hultquist
June 4, 2018 9:42 pm

Hello all.
buy a boat, drink a beer, sing a song, make a friend.
Kenny Chesney’s “Get Along”

All seems to be well in WUWT land.
[Win-10 & Edge]

InterZonKomizar
June 4, 2018 9:54 pm

* this was my 2nd post … 3rd try to close, reopen … Disappeared when close tab, re- open.
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People think kittens are so cute when they run and jump on each other and play wrestle. Listen, these are Ambush predators and they are practicing learning how to kill.
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They run and put their arms around the victim’s neck and bite the throat.
While their hind legs claw out the intestines. That is a formula for success in the jungle.
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Very cute little killers in training.
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Sandy, Minister of Future

ren
June 4, 2018 10:00 pm

Good state of the ice in the Arctic.
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Reply to  ren
June 4, 2018 11:46 pm

Not good news for those of us looking forward to the warming we were promised;

Can I get a refund from Al Bore ?

( thanks for edit, much better.
any possibility of numbered posts ? )

Wrusssr
June 4, 2018 10:01 pm

Good luck with the new server. Here goes.

ren
June 4, 2018 10:09 pm

Falling global SST.
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June 4, 2018 10:12 pm

Testing a tweet link…

First, here’s what the link looks like (mobile version, with some zero-width spaces inserted so WordPress won’t recognize it as a URL):

https​:​/​/​mobile.​twitter.​com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

This is the mobile version:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

This is the non-mobile version (same URL as mobile version, but with the “mobile.” deleted):

https://twitter.com/DrAndreaDutton/status/1002949534597746690

Well, that’s not good. ☹️
 

Hmmm… it doesn’t update the URL in the address bar, either, though I guess the link symbol 🔗 feature is almost as good.
 

“&nbsp;” works properly to add an extra line of space—that’s a good thing—one of my favorite little formatting tricks, in fact.

June 4, 2018 10:33 pm

OK, I’ll use this opportunity to ask a question I always want to ask.
Am I wrong in the following statement about Einstein’s equivalence principle — and, if so, where I am wrong?

Rocket acceleration and gravitational acceleration are different things, there is no equivalence between them if the observer uses precision plumb lines and atomic clocks. If one installs three plumb lines on the ceiling of the windowless experimental chamber, and two atomic clocks, one on the ceiling and one on the floor of the same experimental chamber, under rocket acceleration of 1g plumb lines will be parallel, and atomic clocks will be synchronous. Under gravitational acceleration of 1g plumb lines will point at the center of the mass (not parallel), and the atomic clock on the ceiling will be ahead of the clock on the floor.

Where’s equivalence here?

P.S. Editing works!

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 4, 2018 11:06 pm

The atomic clocks are each experiencing different accelerations because their distance r to the center of the Earth is different. The clock closer to the center has more acceleration due to gravity on it, and thus it runs slower.
If you saw the movie Interstellar, they use this trick where 3 astronauts go into deep gravity well planet for only a few hours by their clock, yet their companion who stays outside the well ages like 15 years.
Atomic clocks exeriencing the same force due to gravitational acceleration will not measure any time dilation due to differences in how fast they tick. And if that force is due to linear (or centripetal) acceleration, the clock will not show any delta t.

Centripetal acceleration also has GR effects known as frame dragging. Frame dragging has been observationally verified with satellites and I think in paired magnetars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging

What you are describing is tidal force. WIth those two clocks spaced at different r from center of Earth, thus the force due to gravity is different, and solid objects get stretched (because they are extended bodies) by tidal forces and not mathematical points.

Black holes with sharp event horizons “spaghetti-fy’s” matter as it enters due to tidal stretching. Not pretty if you are an astronaut approaching the event horizon. An extremely massive black hole though the tidal forces may be so low that matter can survive event horizon passage. No one in this universe knows what comes next.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 4, 2018 11:33 pm

As far as the difference in line spacing between plumb lines at the top and at the bottom near the plumb, that has nothing to do with GR. One problem with your experimental setup is the top bar the strings are attached to is linear, not curved. So the center line is closer to the ground than the two outer lines, unless you curve the top bar to the produce the same r from the center of Earth. The lines still would not be parallel though. That is the geometry of the forces.

Importantly though the tension (force) on all three strings though is equivalent if the plumb bob masses are equivalent whether the acceleration is due to gravity or linear acceleration.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 5, 2018 1:08 am

Thank you very much for your explanation.
Since the pace of time indicated by atomic clocks depends on the distance from the center of mass, there is a difference in their readings. In the case of rocket acceleration there would be no such difference. Therefore, there is an experimental way to determine the nature of acceleration (gravitational vs. rocket-produced)? Even if there are no other means to observe or establish this result (in otherwise identical conditions)? Do I understand it correctly?

June 4, 2018 10:45 pm

I must be getting old; I hate change.

June 4, 2018 10:48 pm

By the way everyone, I’m getting married! I found the perfect woman!!

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DonM
Reply to  Max Photon
June 6, 2018 8:45 am

I thought you were already married to the lady with the gun.

eyesonu
Reply to  Max Photon
June 6, 2018 10:41 am

I didn’t see where she knows when to keep her mouth shut or when to cut the grass.,.,.,.,.,. first edit 1:44 ,.,,.,…,. second edit 1:46,.,.,,.,. second edit edit 1:48t,..,….,, fourth edit just playing with the observer on tab# 2,…,,.,., last edit to tell observer on tab #2 that there have in fact been no edits!

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
June 6, 2018 11:12 am

I am certain that in the above comment eyesonu tab#1 was playing edit tricks on eyesonu tab#2 by changing the comment repeatedly. eyesonu tab#2 could not respond ’cause the comment kept changing every time he ‘refreshed’. eyesonu tab#2 was not going to play eyesonu tab1’s game.

Just think …. flexible, movable goal posts and everyone gets to move them. Let’s have a new game called “Goal posts you can’t believe in because everyone is moving them”. Give me an Ouija board for confidence.

June 4, 2018 11:12 pm

Ugh!

I tried to post a long comment, a reply to my own comment. It didn’t seem to work. It did the “Knight Rider back-and-forth wait thing” and then… nothing. I was still looking at the bottom half of my long comment.

Tried a few more times, with the same result.

Eventually I scrolled up in just time to see a very brief error message at the top of my comment, which was just disappearing as I glimpsed it:

    We are sorry, but this comment cannot be posted. Please try later.

This commenting system is pretty bad, from a usability point of view. Look at all the problems with that behavior:

1. The error message is far from where your eyes are focused: the “Post comment” button is at the bottom of the comment, but the error message is at the top — which is hidden off the screen under some circumstances.

2. The error message goes away almost before you have time to read it. In fact, it took about 3 or 4 tries to selected it and copy to clipboard fast enough to catch it.

3. An error message which doesn’t say what is wrong, nor what to do about it. (Well, it says what to do about it (“try later”), but that advice is wrong.)

I spent the next twenty minutes of so trying to narrow down the cause of the problem.

The actual problem turned out to be that my original comment was gone!

I guess that’s an artifact of the malfunctioning new anti-spam feature. So, more problems:

4. It flagged non-spam as spam. (But Akismet often did this, too.)

5. It hid the message, without telling the user. (Akismet did this, too, but at least with Akismet you could tell that it had happened.)

6. It wouldn’t let me post a repy to it, and didn’t say why not, and wasted a bunch of my time trying to figure it out.

Reply to  Dave Burton
June 4, 2018 11:16 pm

It is also annoying that you see only a small snippet of a comment until clicking “Read more” — and the formatting is mangled in that small snippet.