Silicon Valley Frankenmeat to Save the World from Global Warming

Skirt Steak at Martiniburger in Tokyo, Japan. By Eliot Bergman (Martiniburger) [CC BY-SA 4.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

If Silicon Valley green tech giants have their way, real meat will become an unaffordable carbon taxed luxury item eaten by the very rich. The rest of us will have to eat “meatless meat” – meat flavoured mashed vegetables and lab grown tissue cultures.

Silicon Valley and the Search for Meatless Meat

By BETH KOWITT

December 19, 2017

In August one of Silicon Valley’s hottest startups closed a $17 million round of funding. The Series A had attracted some of the biggest names in tech. “I got closed out because of Richard Branson and Bill Gates,” bemoaned Jody Rasch, the managing trustee of an angel fund that wasn’t able to buy in. Venture capital firm DFJ—which has backed the likes of Tesla and SpaceX—led the round, with one of its then-partners calling the nascent company’s work an “enormous technological shift.”

The cutting-edge product the startup was trying to develop? Meat—the food whose more than $200 billion in U.S. sales has come to be the defining element of the Western diet. But what made this company’s work so revolutionary was not what it was trying to make so much as how it was attempting to do it. Memphis Meats, the brainchild that had the startup-investor class salivating, was aiming to remove animals from the process of meat production altogether.

It’s the type of world-saving vision that has oft captured the imagination of Silicon Valley—the kind of entrenched problem that technologists believe only technology can solve: feeding a fast-growing, protein-hungry global population in a way that doesn’t blow up the planet. Conjuring up meat without livestock—whose emissions are responsible for 14.5% of global greenhouse gases—is core to that effort. Just listen to how the progenitor of Googleyness itself describes the prospect of animal-free meat: “It has the capability to transform how we view our world,” Google cofounder Sergey Brin has said. “I like to look at technology opportunities where the technology seems like it’s on the cusp of viability, and if it succeeds there, it can be really transformative.”

As a sign of the market’s potential, alternative meat producers point to the explosive growth plant-based milk has made in the dairy aisle, now capturing almost 10% of U.S. retail sales by volume. “I want to be able to say you don’t have to make a choice in what you’re eating,” Memphis CEO and cofounder Uma Valeti says, “but you can make a choice on the process of how it goes to the table.”

Hoping to make that choice easier, the new agripreneurs are tackling semantics first—redefining what “meat” means. Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown says he’d like to get people to think about meat “in terms of its composition” rather than its origin. The reframing isn’t just an epistemological one, but also a scientific one, reducing meat to its molecules.

That won’t be an easy sell, and the movement has its detractors—some of whom seem miffed by the notion that anyone would try to mess with Mother Nature. “They want to make up their own dictionary version of what meat is, and these are people who do not eat meat,” says Suzanne Strassburger, whose family has been in the meat business for more than 150 years. “The real question is, are they feeding people or are they feeding egos.”

Read more: http://fortune.com/2017/12/19/silicon-valley-meatless-meat/

There will be a market for this product. While I understand some people drink soy milk because of allergies or cost, many of those 10% of people who drink Soy milk do so for idealogical reasons – they also try to avoid other cattle products, buying veggie burgers and suchlike, and will likely be ready in many cases to buy lab grown cultured meat (guaranteed cruelty free).

For people who genuinely can’t afford meat at current prices, a cheap substitute which helped them and their children get the protein they require wouldn’t be a bad thing – though cutting red tape to help reduce the cost of real meat would likely achieve the same goal.

I doubt most of the remaining 90% of us would willingly embrace highly processed artificial meat tasting substitutes when we can buy the real thing.

Discouraging ordinary people from buying real meat will have to be a business goal of these high tech entrepreneurs. No doubt they would justify such efforts in terms of saving the planet from climate change.

It is easy to see how discouraging real meat consumption could happen – advertisements flooding the airwaves with messages emphasising the “cruelty” of cattle farming, adding Vegan messages to elementary school lessons, imposing carbon taxes and animal welfare regulations to make cattle farming impossibly expensive, lots of donated cash for politicians who pass laws which favour well funded artificial meat producers. Though I suspect real meat would still be available at climate conferences and UN events, at least for important attendees.

Coming soon to a supermarket shelf near you.

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December 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Same way Euro Elite tax gasoline and drive 200 mph sports cars, while working class has scooters and bicycles.

JWSC
Reply to  micro6500
December 20, 2017 3:33 pm

Same as it ever was. The rich have always predisposed to tell the ‘lower classes’ to ‘do as I say not as I do.’

Bryan A
Reply to  JWSC
December 20, 2017 4:40 pm

Here’s a documentary clip from inside the new protein processing facility
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CynvwDMSPYQ
And don’t forget
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4

Reply to  JWSC
December 21, 2017 7:01 pm

Let them eat cake

george e. smith
Reply to  micro6500
December 20, 2017 5:23 pm

Well why don’t we simply make food out of rocks and water, as Mother Gaia does, then we don’t need to murder either animals or plants. It’s all ust made out of about 92 elements anyhow so what is the hold up ??

g

Reply to  george e. smith
December 20, 2017 5:33 pm

Some day George, but the self replicating way is what we got now!

LdB
Reply to  george e. smith
December 20, 2017 11:57 pm

You make food from replicators out of energy I saw it on startrek 🙂

Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 12:29 am

@LdB – the “explanations” of the replicators are rather amusing. They were supposed to be energy into matter, until some annoying geek told them that the amount of energy for one “Earl Grey, hot” would vaporize the Enterprise (and probably trigger any nearby star into a supernova).

Okay, they explained it that it’s actually transporter tech – it takes the atoms from a store and reconstitutes them to the pattern with the transporter. Then some other annoying geek, slightly more sophisticated, pointed out that this requires completely lossless wireless transmission of energy to avoid vaporizing the Enterprise for your tea (but you do at least just a make a big boom, not destroy entire stellar systems).

At that point, I think they just threw up their hands and walked away, muttering “Don’t they understand that this is science fiction?”

1saveenergy
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 1:55 am

Writing Observer
Star-trek is science fiction !!! don’t be so stupid,…. next you’ll be telling us the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy isn’t a documentary.

Doug Schexnayder
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 4:55 am

>>>THERE IS NO MMGW<<<
==================
the sun SHRINKS daily to heat the earth…
**(mass into energy/settled science)**…
Earth must COOL as the sun shrinks…
this will take centuries but will happen…

Earth will become cooler and cooler…
until life struggles to exist….
we will beg for warming by then!

ANYTHING to the contrary defies logic, science and reality…
the control freak political thugs are boldly LYING to you…

Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 5:18 am

Smith is a tree hugging idiot.

Wa
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 5:56 am

Please tell me that frankenmeat has nothing to do with al franken.

rocketscientist
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 9:08 am

It seems that GAIA has already taken the most energy efficient path.
So, as inhabitants of the planet we seem to know how to do it far better?
I don’t think so.

Richard Bell
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 11:28 am

They only thing that makes sense for both the transporters (which were only added when the costs of filming a starship making planetfall were estimated [originally, the USS Enterprise was going to land on the planet of the week]) and the replicator is that latinum, a mysterious and very valuable material because it cannot be replicated, is manipulated to form the matrix through which objects are materialised or dematerialised by 3D printer/scanners. For transporters, the latinum matrix focuses the ship’s tractor beams to scavenge and arrange matter to allow 3D printing at a distance. The scanning process is, of course, destructive but the resolution is good enough that not only are the fingerprints preserved, but all of the neural connections, as well. The computational power is sufficient that the individual can be completely scanned, before it can react to being disassembled. Likewise, the assembly is fast enough that no response by an incomplete subject is possible.

It is the potential abuse of the transporter that prevents the transporter from being a medical marvel. The same potential to use the transporter to remove cancer tumors allows a dictator to disperse demonstrations by transporting massive lumps of graphite into crowds, after disabling the sensors that that guide the matter scavenging.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 5:58 pm

And people are worried about GMOs?

yjiimmy ymmiijy
Reply to  micro6500
December 20, 2017 8:27 pm

This from the people that tell us GMO food is bad. Uh huh, I’ll have mine rare and from a cow.

Solsten
Reply to  yjiimmy ymmiijy
December 20, 2017 9:57 pm

Or better yet moose, elk or Sitka black tail.

Non Nomen
Reply to  yjiimmy ymmiijy
December 21, 2017 6:17 am

Have you ever tried Haliaeetus leucocephalus? Billionnaire’s diet…

oeman50
Reply to  yjiimmy ymmiijy
December 21, 2017 7:45 am

“enormous technological shift.”

How about “enormous technological sh*t.”

FundMe
Reply to  yjiimmy ymmiijy
December 21, 2017 1:57 pm

Me I spent years working in a lab developing a sly taste for the contents of the petri dish, subsequently I discovered Marmite and have never looked back. Gone are the days of the quick, furtive, licking up of contents of the petri dish….life will just gets tastier now that Bovril rules.

Reply to  yjiimmy ymmiijy
December 21, 2017 2:10 pm

Their plan involves YOU eating it, not them!!

Hugs
Reply to  micro6500
December 21, 2017 3:44 am

You got to be kidding. The elite drives really expensive electric cars with backup diesels, 4 wheel drive in a flat town with no snow, and bicycle for posing and recreation, while the working class have to mothball their Fiat as they resort to commuting by a bus – train – bus connection that takes 90 in one direction, and costs more in terms of lost time and subsidy than the ticket price.

In terms of taxing, the most hated person in Europe is the one who works at low salary and uses a car. High taxes hit people who can barely live on their own. If you are unemployed and on wellfare monies, you don’t need to own a car to prove that you are willing to take a job. Also, if you’re highly paid, it doesn’t matter so much that driving is expensive. It hits those people who barely afford a car. Poor active people with needs to travel. That’s why we say the European system is passivating. You need to have a mental state to want to work on low salary, such like the Nepalese seem to have. I don’t know what keeps them trying, probably how they were raised at home.

The rest of us will have to eat “meatless meat” – meat flavoured mashed vegetables and lab grown tissue cultures.

Oh my Worrall. We’re not forced to eat tissue. And there is nothing wrong with veggies. If I’d complain on food I’d say we have too much food policing. People are so hot they almost start shooting meat eaters and butter users. I’ve come to conclusion there should be a weekly butter-pork day in school (the European style public school that is same for everyone) to improve acceptance of pork-eaters in the society.

old white guy
Reply to  Hugs
December 21, 2017 5:41 am

we could save the world by getting rid of the elites. one poster showed the soylent green clip, maybe green dog food.

Hugs
Reply to  Hugs
December 21, 2017 10:52 am

Oh no, you can’t get rid of the elite. 🙂

Only the elite can get rid of people, so it is clear they don’t do that. The Kim’s Democracy of North Korea is the worst example of trying to. They managed to get rid of all wellbeing, but getting rid of people does not rid the elite. It is the les miserables elite, but elite in every case.

Jackov
Reply to  micro6500
December 21, 2017 9:45 am

US beef exports are banned in over 90 nations due to Mad Cow diseases outbreaks.
Livestock are raised in such filthy feedlots, that they need drugs and roids to survive until slaughter.

Reply to  Jackov
December 21, 2017 10:10 am

I’m pretty sure this is mostly just trade protection. There haven’t been any outbreaks of Mad cow for over 20 year that I’ve seen.

Hugs
Reply to  Jackov
December 21, 2017 10:56 am

micro6500, of course it is.

But many Europeans don’t like antibiotics or steroids, even when you can show the meat is safe. OTOH, I don’t quite like the idea that the bovine body is a chemical free-range.

Tom
Reply to  Jackov
December 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Raised on grassland, finished(fattened) in feedlots. Banned because of synthetic hormones. Doubt if it’s 90 countries.

Reply to  micro6500
December 21, 2017 9:29 pm

” micro6500
December 20, 2017 at 3:13 pm

Same way Euro Elite tax gasoline and drive 200 mph sports cars, while working class has scooters and bicycles.”

Which Europe are you talking about? Any average worker can can afford a new or used car running 250 km/h if he likes. Or are you talking about India?

Reply to  naturbaumeister
December 22, 2017 5:11 am

Just an observation of what I see ppl driving. Maybe it’s better than I thought, but your still are paying about $8/gal aren’t you? Does the avg worker have the extra money to afford gas, for that sort of car?

Reply to  naturbaumeister
December 22, 2017 5:12 am

It wasn’t really about the car, but the fuel for the car.

December 20, 2017 3:15 pm

The ad under my post was for OutBack Steakhouse lol

Reply to  micro6500
December 20, 2017 3:26 pm

One of the ads I got was supplements for vegans … B12, if it is quality, it’s made using animals …

Pop Piasa
Reply to  SasjaL
December 20, 2017 5:48 pm

I got no ads at all because I use a blocker. Didn’t McDonalds try some kind of meat substitute a while back?

Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 20, 2017 6:06 pm

McWho? Ah, those with sloppy cold burgers and the bun is like a moist rag … Disgusting!

SC
Reply to  SasjaL
December 21, 2017 12:05 pm

@Pop

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/07/02/_wood_pulp_in_burgers_it_s_just_cellulose_and_that_s_nothing_to_worry_about.html

Your hamburger is limited to 30% sawdust until they come out with a GMO tree that tastes like steak.

Latitude
December 20, 2017 3:21 pm

luxury item eaten by the very rich….seems they are immune to everything including global warming
Also seems like it’s planed that way

[All brought to you who planned ahead by fossil-fueled planes, trains, and automobiles (er, trucks). .mod]

Reply to  Latitude
December 20, 2017 4:31 pm

Why not? The cited venture is to culture animal cells. The cells provide the DNA & the challenge is to sustain enough cell cycles. I suppose the main issue is controlling RNA segues.

RNA factors would include assuring nucleolus (ribosome feature) assemble at late telophase to early G1 cell cyclee & it’s dissamble at mitosis. Then assuring enough creation of ribosomes to ramp up protein synthesis required for cell growth/proliferation. But if provoke too much ribosomal bio-genesis excessive protein in the cell endoplasmic reticulum can trigger it’s unfolded protein response leading to protein aggregates skewing cultured meat cell function.

We have about 4,500 proteins that associate with our nucleolus (with about 80 specific ribosomal proteins) yet 70% of these are not involved in the production of ribosomes; however they are related to cell cycles & genome stability. Of our ribosome RNA (rRNA) copies only about 1/2 are actively transcribing with about 1/2 rRNA silent; the silent rRNA stabilize the nucleolus.

Compounding the challenge culturing meat is that depending on the number of ribosomes per cell is that number affects which mRNA is getting copied. If a lot of mRNA with normally low affinity for being copied comes active that mRNA tends to code for cell cycle regulators & growth factors.

Although the option of cell growth & cycling sounds desirable that low transcription proclivity mRNA also codes onco-proteins (ex:human c-Myc). If our c-Myc level rises in a cell it provokes abnormally elevated number of cell centrosomes & unstabilizes the genome; making another problem for culturing meat.

Apparently there is a stoichiometry (relative ratios) of ribosomal proteins that impacts which different i

Reply to  gringojay
December 20, 2017 4:38 pm

Hi Latitude, – Not meant to post this with you. My tablet glitched repeatedly during composition so quickly hit “post” hoping to avoid losing text.

Anyway, to finish last sentence :
“… iso-forms of ribosome proteins and alterations of post-translation modifications.”

Latitude
Reply to  gringojay
December 20, 2017 5:34 pm

LOL..no problem, made me read it all too!
So this will be marketed to the same people that raise hell about GMO foods…….

Reply to  Latitude
December 21, 2017 7:23 am

Indeed. GMO is breeding and nothing more than fancy breeding. Less sloppy, too. [NB that the same folk who freak out over chemicals are oblivious to the fact that everything material is a mixture of chemicals. They are also oblivious to the fact that viruses perform ‘natural’ genetic modifications in addition to the ‘natural’ internal genetic modifications due to chemical reactions.]

December 20, 2017 3:27 pm

Another variation on flavored tofu.

Yirgach
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 21, 2017 6:46 am

Call me when they can grow white truffles…

December 20, 2017 3:31 pm

we drink almond milk at home because it tastes good and because it lasts longer in the refrig without going bad than does whole milk

J Mac
Reply to  Martin Weiss
December 20, 2017 4:18 pm

Milk is manufactured in the mammary glands of mammals.
Almonds have no milk production. You are drinking an almond flavored, artificial substitute for natural mammalian milk.

marque2
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2017 6:35 pm

The funny thing about health nuts drinking Soy and almond milk is that those foods were never designed to be liquids so emulsifiers have to be added.to keep everything from separating. And the it has a very rough feel on the palate, so to make it feel more like milk fats they add gums. Of.course sugar and salt are added to top it off. The stuff is completely artificial. I.would think it is worse than anything GMO or BHP that I can think of.

Sheri
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2017 6:54 pm

Actually, drinking almond “milk” is drinking crushed, processed almonds, with flavoring and so forth, and over 90% water. It’s 2% almonds. Expensive water with a bit of flavor.

icisil
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2017 7:09 pm

There’s nothing artificial about soy milk if you make it yourself. Soy milk, salt, vanilla and sugar. I’ve made lots of it and it tastes as good or better than skim milk. The only reason I don’t make it now is because I have a serious cereal addiction, that can really pack on the pounds. With some things I just have to go cold turkey.

Reply to  J Mac
December 21, 2017 12:34 am

@icisil – ANYTHING tastes better than skim milk.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  J Mac
December 21, 2017 9:18 am

The smells and tastes associated with ….. butter-butter (butyric acid) for spreading and flavoring, …… “whole” cow milk for drinking and cooking ……. and bacon “fat” grease for frying and seasoning …….. are eating pleasures that many have been “brainwashed” into believing are really harmful to their health and well being.

markl
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 20, 2017 5:25 pm

+1 And don’t lecture me about it.

tony mcleod
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 20, 2017 6:11 pm

“eat this to save the planet”

If it was “to do less harm” would that be acceptable? Like not eating eggs from caged birds.

Bryan A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 20, 2017 8:23 pm

“Do less harm” is then open to someone’s ideal of just what is or isn’t “Harm”
You live how you think is proper and let me live how I think is proper.
I promise not to impinge on your rights to enjoy your Soylent Tofurkey,
Just don’t try to serve me a Turd Sandwich and call it Filet Mignon

Dave Dodd
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 20, 2017 10:35 pm

I keep wondering if there is any way we can speed up the San Andreas Fault! Do we really need California? Those people are DANGEROUS!

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 20, 2017 10:50 pm

[1]. . We live on an alluvial fan in a dry area (about 9 inches; 23 cm.). The area is rocky and not useful for row crops or most other agriculture products. Nearby are areas suitable of grass, so various sorts are grown for hay. Much of that is shipped over sea for dairy herds and other animals.
The local land not suitable for crops is used for cattle pasture, supplemented by the hay crop. If not used by cattle operations the land would grow thorn trees (Washington Hawthorn) and plants of the native sagebrush-steppe. Bird enthusiasts would be pleased as the small fruits are a winter food source. The state and county tax collectors would not be pleased.

[2]. . Replacing the beef may one day be possible. If I can’t tell the difference, I won’t care.
The byproducts of beef cattle might be more difficult to replace (at scale) and will have to be ramped up should beef production fall.
There is a list at this site:
beef-byproducts

LdB
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 21, 2017 12:03 am

If the econutts want to eat it that is fine, they try to force it on the whole population then it’s time to fight.

schitzree
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 21, 2017 1:27 am

We drink almond milk as well, predominantly because my sister is lactose intolerant. We’ve used it in cooking, and I was surprised how well it worked out. I honestly didn’t think something designed to fake an animal product with a nut would work in something like stroganoff.

But I do keep a pint or two of the real thing, for with cookies. ^¿^

I’d be happy to try artificial meat. If it tastes as good, (or even passable) and didn’t cost a lot more, I’d be willing to start using it. But I can already see that the people pushing this are Greens, and Greens NEVER let you choose. They will do everything in their power to force this onto people, and will use it to force what they don’t like out of business. It’s SOP for them.

And let’s face it, most of the Greens will only embrace this to the point of useing it to force cattle ranching and other livestock out. They will still hate it, and refuse to purchase it themselves, and will force it out as soon as they no longer need it to justify their actions. The people who rail against Monsanto and protest Golden Rice are never going to allow this into wider production.

~¿~

george e. smith
Reply to  Martin Weiss
December 20, 2017 5:32 pm

My local Safeway supermarket has 57 varieties of milk including Royal Stuart Tartan milk, that makes you dizzy when you shake the bottle and see the stripes wiggle, inside the bottle.

But quite often you cannot even find the real Milk millk anywhere on their shelves.

I once ordered a glass of buttermilk in a restaurant figuring it would still have all of the Milk milk ingredients in it, instead of being skimmed milk pig slop.

Instead I got a glass of rotten milk that had gone sour already.

So I may have to change my diet and drink beer instead.

But often you can’t even find any real beer either. Most of what passes for beer still looks the same color after you drink it; so that’s a tip off that it wasn’t real beer.

G

Sheri
Reply to  george e. smith
December 20, 2017 6:58 pm

I would guess the restaurant added lemon juice or vinegar to milk and called it “buttermilk”. You can use lemon juice to curdle regular milk and substitute it in recipes for buttermilk, but it’s certainly not tasty for drinking.

marque2
Reply to  george e. smith
December 20, 2017 8:33 pm

Butter milk is the liquid that remains after all the components to make butter are taken out of the milk. It isn’t what most people think – it is not milk with lots of fat – it is milk with most fats and solids removed – much more so than skim milk. And yes it is suppose to taste sour.

chemman
Reply to  Martin Weiss
December 20, 2017 5:58 pm

We do both in my house. My wife as a moderate degree of lactose intolerance and so we use various nut “milks” plus whole milk. I mainly use the whole mile but we also make yogurt with it for our daily protein (whey) shakes.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Martin Weiss
December 20, 2017 6:04 pm

Almond milk is almonds blended with water and then strained. It’s not bad for you or anything, but it’s like 98% water (and sometimes with added sweetener).

marque2
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
December 20, 2017 8:35 pm

And emulsifiers and gums and salt and sugar. Have you ever looked at the label? The gums are for the mouth feel the emulsification agents keep the almond part from se separating from the liquid. It is the fake concocted drink ever. May as well drink canned fruit punch.

Ned
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
December 21, 2017 5:16 am

You know it would be healthier for you just to eat a handful of almonds and drink a glass of water. Why go through all the contortions to make something which shouldn’t exist?

Urederra
Reply to  Martin Weiss
December 21, 2017 9:50 am

The problem of milk not lasting long enough is due to the way it is treated in the USA. In Europe milk is pasteurized and kept in tetra bricks. Those can be stored for weeks at room temperature without going bad. At home we buy 36 liters in 1 liter bricks every two months or so, and they never get sour.

Once you open a brick, you have to store it in the frigde, though. Also, they are 1 liter each, not half gallon, that may help too.

Reply to  Urederra
December 21, 2017 6:42 pm

These bricks are subjected to ultra pasteurization, which alters the taste somewhat.

Sue Harris
December 20, 2017 3:32 pm

Shows you what a bit of money does to the minds of the wealthy….all believe they are our betters and we could send a strong message, but we lack the fortitude what is necessary…..

Sue Harris
December 20, 2017 3:32 pm

Shows you what a bit of money does to the minds of the wealthy….all believe they are our betters and we could send a strong message, but we lack the fortitude what is necessary…..

Reply to  Sue Harris
December 21, 2017 4:58 am

>>>THERE IS NO MMGW<<<
==================
the sun SHRINKS daily to heat the earth…
**(mass into energy/settled science)**…
Earth must COOL as the sun shrinks…
this will take centuries but will happen…

Earth will become cooler and cooler…
until life struggles to exist….
we will beg for warming by then!

ANYTHING to the contrary defies logic, science and reality…
the control freak political thugs are boldly LYING to you…

Stevek
December 20, 2017 3:32 pm

Can you get this medium rare ?

michael hart
December 20, 2017 3:36 pm

I’m getting serious indigestion just from the hyperbole of the reporting, but I’m more concerned about what they are smoking, not what they are eating.

Like the lunatics at the BBC, who think they’ve already won the war to decide what we put in our cars to make them go, they think they are going to tell us what we put in our mouths.

Dems B. Dcvrs
December 20, 2017 3:37 pm

AGW Alarmists – Let them eat FrankenMeat

george e. smith
Reply to  Dems B. Dcvrs
December 20, 2017 5:34 pm

Or better yet; Soylent Green !

g

Russ Wood
Reply to  george e. smith
December 22, 2017 5:52 am

-or maybe BE Soylent Green – they’re the right colour already!

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Dems B. Dcvrs
December 21, 2017 3:18 am

That is spot on. If gmo corn scares the snowflakes so badly they faint in the streets this zombie meat should stop their hearts. So I guess all in all it’s mostly ok.

(Not for me or mine ever – my grill is a shrine, making proper sacrifices on a regular basis)

popeye1951
December 20, 2017 3:39 pm

Who do these fools think they’re kidding?

Latinos and muslims don’t play that nonsense, real meat over a real fire and screw the CO2 count…

R.S. Brown
December 20, 2017 3:52 pm

Soylent… red!

jclarke341
Reply to  R.S. Brown
December 20, 2017 4:39 pm

+1

John V. Wright
December 20, 2017 3:53 pm

Can I have one of those Strassburgers? That’ll do me just fine….

Derek Colman
December 20, 2017 3:59 pm

The non dairy milk sales in the USA have probably benefited from lax consumer laws. Manufacturers are able to advertise health claims for their products which would be illegal in the UK and EU, because they are not supported by scientific testing. For instance Americans have been persuaded that Nutella is a healthy breakfast food, and juicing is super healthy, neither of which is true. Even so these milks have only 10% of the market, which is probably not much higher than the incidence of lactose intolerance. It is therefore hardly a good example for the take up of frankenmeat. Personally, I would rather go without meat than eat something produced in a lab. If meat is made expensive, I will relegate it to special treat status, and do without it the rest of the time.

J Mac
Reply to  Derek Colman
December 20, 2017 4:22 pm

Agree! Flavored artificial substitutes for natural milk should be labeled ‘artificial milk substitute’.

AndyG55
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2017 4:33 pm

I’ve heard that melamine is a great whitener for milk substitutes.

george e. smith
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2017 5:55 pm

Does anybody know if “Coffeemate” is even the same genus as milk, or is it more akin to chalk or perhaps sawdust ?

I put it in my coffee when they don’t have cream or 50/50, but I always wonder what we do that for.

In my case, I just like the brown color of the coffee. Well I don’t iike the taste of coffee anyway, so anything that makes it different is a good thing.

G

george e. smith
Reply to  Derek Colman
December 20, 2017 5:44 pm

I once worked at Monsanto Chemical Central Research labs, and our electronics lab was right next door to the cooking lab.

And these chemical engineer chefs, would brew up batches of cookies and such made out of 92 different elements and guaranteed to be totally devoid of any type of food value. None of this, and none of that, so you could eat all the cookies you wanted and have no ill effects whatsoever.

So every now and then they would bring over a still hot batch of these cardboard substitutes for us to try out to see if they tasted any good.

It seems that the idea of not eating when you are not hungry, is not in the best American traditions, so people have to stoke up on non-nutritive materials to keep their bellies from slapping up against their ribs.

Some of that faux stuff was quite tasty, so I don’t know how much of it is now on the market in expensive cardboard boxes that taste about the same as the non food inside them.

But it’s all guaranteed to not make you obese, like eating food does.

G

Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 12:38 am

Hopefully not all of those 92 elements! Some of those make you glow in the dark…

Russ Wood
Reply to  george e. smith
December 22, 2017 5:54 am

Read Sir Terry Pratchett’s “Good Omens” to see how the current ’embodiment’ of the classical “Famine” makes his living!

AllyKat
Reply to  Derek Colman
December 20, 2017 9:47 pm

The odds of the franken-meat ever being cheaper than real meat are pretty low. Unless the makers deliberately undercut meat prices, allowing them to take over the market, and then jack up the price once the meat suppliers are out of business.

I am pro-GMO, but this is too out there for me. Better livestock management and usage worldwide would probably make a bigger difference.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  AllyKat
December 20, 2017 11:09 pm

One of the interesting people working on this is a trained cardiologist. He (Uma Valeti) was involved in using stem cells to repair damaged heart muscle. His thought went from heart tissue to beef tissue. Not such a big leap. He is a co-founder of Memphis Meats. I say “Good luck.” I suspect many problems will have to be solved that they haven’t encountered yet.
See my comment above at 10:50 pm. It is not just about meat as food.

LdB
Reply to  AllyKat
December 21, 2017 12:07 am

It won’t be cheaper at the start they would go the whole renewables path. Get subsidies and taxes and then try to ban the alternatives. It’s crazy leftist econutt policy 101.

Dennis
Reply to  AllyKat
December 21, 2017 6:31 am

I will be enjoying deer, buffalo, moose, salmon, trout, doll sheep, mountain goat, caribou and fresh organic vegetables from my garden. The rest of you can resign yourselves to chemistry experiments. Let me know how that goes!

Steve Zell
December 20, 2017 4:00 pm

Is Beyond Meat really as not meat as Beyond Petroleum is not petroleum? Oh, wait a minute, Beyond Petroleum used to be British Petroleum.

If FrankenMeat doesn’t come from animals, does it come from Genetically Modified plants?

In this high-steaks gamble, the FrankenMeat people are bucking the trend–bison used to be an endangered species, and now their meat is available in supermarkets.

george e. smith
Reply to  Steve Zell
December 20, 2017 5:57 pm

I hear that Emu is pretty good; and it tastes just like chicken too !

g

Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 8:43 pm

Emu tastes more like Spotted owl and Bald Eagle…

Reply to  george e. smith
December 21, 2017 11:43 pm

“Emu tastes more like Spotted owl and Bald Eagle…”

I like owls way too much to eat them. We have one in NSW called the Powerful Owl. An absolute badass of a raptor bird.

I’d rather invite a ‘roo for dinner anytime. Well never run out of ’em, and cheap as free if you shoot ’em yourself.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Steve Zell
December 21, 2017 3:26 am

Like the comedian said “if you want to save the spotted owl start Kentucky Fried Spotted Owl” We’ve already made sure chickens will never go extinct.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Steve Zell
December 22, 2017 5:56 am

Yea, many years ago, there was an Analog article on “The Survival of the Tastiest”, showing why we today don’t have “Brontosaurus Burgers”.

billk
Reply to  Steve Zell
December 22, 2017 8:54 am

Aw heck, the USA is way ahead of that curve. Thirty-one years ago they offered a “Surf-and-Turf” meal with buffalo and half a score of Japanese fried fish — “O tempura, o morays”!

billk
Reply to  billk
December 22, 2017 9:06 am

Oops. Make that forty-one years ago. Blame it on “decadent oscillation”.

Robert Doyle
December 20, 2017 4:02 pm

The U.S. Food & Drug Administration an the National Institute For Health will approve this in 2040 to 2050.
For the evaluation of a basic, complex “food” removal, the removal has to be considered.
The science does not exist to determine what red meat does to each race or sex.

My goodness.

george e. smith
Reply to  Robert Doyle
December 20, 2017 5:59 pm

Specially when you have 57 of those; and hermaphrodites are still excluded.

g

December 20, 2017 4:03 pm

Just bought a sirloin tip roast for Christmas dinner (we did duck last year, but have no one coming). The more the AGW nutters buy soy milk and veggie burger, the less that sirloin tip roast will cost. Whats not to like?

Steve A
Reply to  ristvan
December 20, 2017 6:49 pm

In the short term less demand leads to lower prices, but in the long run greater demand tends to lower costs through economy of scale and competition for market share.

Sheri
Reply to  ristvan
December 20, 2017 7:02 pm

Pan-seared duck breast is very close in flavor to beef. We raise ducks for butchering and find the meat quite good. I’ve only cooked a whole duck once. Generally, I bone out the breast meat and then cook it like steak.

RayG
Reply to  Sheri
December 22, 2017 9:21 am

Sheri, try plating it on a red onion balsamic vinegar marmalade. They go together very well.

LdB
Reply to  ristvan
December 21, 2017 12:09 am

Once they reach a consumption point the econutts will go for a full ban citing animal cruelity, emissions etc it is how they roll and enforce there politics on the world.

DeLoss McKnight
December 20, 2017 4:08 pm

I remember Samuel R. Delany writing about meat being cultured in factories in mass produced fashion for people to eat. I believe that was from Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand, published in 1984. We are already culturing tissue in labs to create transplant organs. It’s only a matter of time before Delany’s prediction becomes real. I wouldn’t want to be an early investor, though.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  DeLoss McKnight
December 20, 2017 5:00 pm

There was a short story published in Analog some years back. The setting is a congressional committee hearing, where the witness is testifying on behalf of the artificial meat industry. Seems some upstart is sweeping the table with an incredible product that the public can’t get enough of. The story ends with the witness saying “I’m going to have to define some terms for you. The first one is spelled C_A_N_N_I_B_A_L…”

Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
December 21, 2017 4:53 am

“There was a short story published in Analog some years back. ”

Have you got the name handy?
Love to read it if I haven’t already.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
December 21, 2017 3:57 pm

@sleat65

GIYF.

The Food of the Gods by Arthur C. Clarke

It appears my memory as to where I saw it was incorrect. It was republished in 1972 in an anthology titled The Wind from the Sun.

December 20, 2017 4:18 pm

Yum ! — Frankenburgers … just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse than soy burgers. [I used to eat lots of soy, by the way, until I encountered the “oops, we were wrong about that” evidence against it.]

JohninRedding
December 20, 2017 4:20 pm

Soy milk- I understand that that has so negative side-affects for the male species, if some news report I read are accurate.

[“so many” side effects, or “not so many” side effects or “no” side effects for the male species? The typo is not clear. .mod]

Alan Robertson
Reply to  JohninRedding
December 20, 2017 6:42 pm

Soy products have something to do with estrogen production. I’m not gonna look up any references to refresh my memory, but no thanks.

icisil
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 20, 2017 7:02 pm

Plant estrogens are thousands of times weaker than estrogen produced by the body.

billk
Reply to  JohninRedding
December 22, 2017 9:09 am

I think your typo was meat to say “some negative side effects”.

December 20, 2017 4:21 pm

Solyent Green

Reply to  Streetcred
December 20, 2017 4:22 pm

Soylent Green

john york
December 20, 2017 4:25 pm

If it tastes like bacon I’m in. Did you hear about the pig whose super power was eating garbage and making bacon?

Reply to  john york
December 20, 2017 5:06 pm

… super power was eating garbage and making bacon?

You mean similar to how climate models work?

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
December 21, 2017 12:41 am

Those eat bacon and produce garbage.

Richard
December 20, 2017 4:29 pm

The most interesting aspect of this is the same people who want Joe Normal to use public transportation or remain close to home, tethered by a short range electric car, and who want meat to be too expensive for the average person, and who want air conditioning all but banned, are the same ones pushing socialism. If socialism worked as they claim it does, then we would all be equal and live the same.

But it doesn’t.

There’s always someone at the top living as Rockefeller or Gates or Streisand live in a capitalist society. The progressives (socialists) claim equality, yet the Castros, Stalins, Kims, and Chavezes lead lives of extravagance and power, which they publicly decry as decadence in capitalist states.

The big difference? In socialist states, they shoot you or send you to a gulag if you speak your mind. The second biggest difference is that most poor people in capitalist countries do not live at the edge of starvation, while in true socialist countries, the average person isn’t far from that same edge.

And don’t bother talking about Scandinavia or other European countries. They’re only partly socialized. Their core economies remain market driven.

And in this season, let’s not forget the caring words of an avowed Progressive, the editor of BuzzFeed: “All I Want For Christmas Is Full Communism Now“.

Bill Illis
December 20, 2017 4:50 pm

This company “grows” the meat from real animal cells in tanks. So it is actual meat.

They need to ramp up production levels and get production costs down, but it could work and one should also note, probably not.

December 20, 2017 4:53 pm

YOU ARE POISONING US AND THREATENING THE ENVIRONMENT … GMO’s are bad

Lab grown meat-stuffs, on the other hand, are O.K. though.

old white guy
Reply to  DonM
December 21, 2017 6:11 am

eat fake stuff and live forever, yep, sure thing.

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