NAFTA Talks Stall Over Climate Change

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, his wife Sophie Gregoire, and daughter Ella-Grace wave as they board a government plane in Ottawa, Monday August 29, 2016. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld
No kids,

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Negotiations for a new North American Free Trade Agreement have reportedly stalled at least in part over whether climate change should be included in the text of the agreement.

U.S. Fights Mention of ‘Climate Change’ in New Nafta

By Josh Wingrove , Eric Martin , and Andrew Mayeda

16 December 2017, 06:46 GMT+10 Updated on 16 December 2017, 07:24 GMT+10

The U.S. is fighting against any mention of “climate change” in a potential new environmental chapter of the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to two people familiar with talks.

The latest Nafta talks were set to wrap Friday in Washington with no new agreement to finalize individual subjects or chapters. While mention of climate change in a trade agreement would be largely symbolic, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pushed for the inclusion of such “progressive” elements to help boost public support for trade.

In a list of Nafta negotiating objectives, the U.S. called for the countries to bring environmental provisions, along with labor, from side agreements into the core of the deal. Still, it’s privately pushing against the inclusion of the phrase “climate change” in that chapter, and against any mention of multilateral cooperation on the environment, the two people said, speaking on condition of anonymity as negotiations continue.

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s climate posturing rarely fails to entertain.

Hardcore greens like Bill McKibben despise Trudeau because he supports oil sand extraction – as Trudeau said in March, “No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there.”. Trudeau’s $215,000 holiday to the Bahamas including a 70 mile private helicopter flight from Nassau to Bell Island also attracted significant criticism from greens and Canadian MPs.

Then to prove his green sympathies, Trudeau backflips and tosses absurd climate demands into high profile events, like the current NAFTA renegotiation.

Given how many people Trudeau has upset, you really have to wonder who he thinks his target audience is, or whether he even has a target audience.

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December 15, 2017 10:15 pm

Justin Trudeau is a Tabula Rasa of a Prime Minister into which Canadian voters can pour whatever ideal they’d like to see in a politician. He is also an empty vessel that is making the most sound. Fortunately few people are listening to him any more.

Reply to  ntesdorf
December 16, 2017 5:07 pm

Castro Jr is Canada’s Obama.

We’re still waiting to see who’ll be Canada’s Trump.

Reply to  ntesdorf
December 17, 2017 8:34 am

Indeed. Unfortunately, his chances of winning a second term are strong because the opposition party just finished their leadership race. It will take time for the voters to familiarize themselves with the new leadership.

December 15, 2017 10:46 pm

Trudeau is a fool. For Pete’s sake, if you’re negotiating trade, negotiate trade, leave everything else out of it, especially since the US emissions are well below their Kyoto target and Canada’s are well above and climbing.

Reply to  Art
December 16, 2017 6:33 am

Isn’t that the irony of the whole situation? Good old natural gas has driven USA CO2 down without giving up 24×7 capabilities.

Jeff L
Reply to  TRM
December 16, 2017 11:34 pm

Much to the disappointment of the greens …

Gerry, England
Reply to  Art
December 16, 2017 7:18 am

Sadly, it doesn’t work that way. What people assume takes up most of trade deal – tariffs – is very small. And even product standards and assessment doesn’t take up the majority as deals stray onto workers’ rights and as we see here, environment. So while many in the UK are hoping that our leaving the EU will free us of their global warming agenda and – providing any sensible people are elected to our parliament – our own Climate Change Act dumped. But the EU have already suggested that they have concerns over this and would want to include it in trade negotiations in 2019 – should we ever get that far – because they fear a UK that dumps renewable energy will have cheap power to take jobs from the EU.

Another Ian
Reply to  Gerry, England
December 16, 2017 12:39 pm

You might even think that trade would be the major part of a trade deal

IIRC back when TPP was a hotter topic there was a comment at Chiefio which pointed out that there were 29 chapters in TPP, only 5 of which had to do with trade.

Reply to  Gerry, England
December 17, 2017 9:06 am

OPENCANADA, Aug.15, 2017

Re: NAFTA Negotiations Team Members: Canada, Mexico, U.S.

Backgrounders at:

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Art
December 16, 2017 11:18 am

Let’s try to understand trade and negotiating. Trudeau, like all politicians, is a cynic and a hypocrite. He courts the Green idiot demographic with the AGW meme while he wants oil exports for the tax revenue and economic benefits. He knows his carbon tax stupidity puts Canadian industry at a disadvantage unless our major trading partners follow the same path. Hence, he hopes that the U.S. and Mexico agree. He may even be looking beyond the next U.S. election to a (likely?) Democratic administration.
Every country plays this game. France is a big proponent of “green energy”. Just a coincidence that they have no fossil fuels and rely heavily on nukes? Of course not!
Why doesn’t Trudeau just scrap the stupid carbon tax and do what’s best for Canada? Because he has a party on the left that promises unlimited spending. If he can’t keep them down, his dimples alone won’t keep him in power.
Whatever the political jurisdiction, there is always somebody to the left promising something for nothing!

Reply to  John Harmsworth
December 16, 2017 12:31 pm

Including (Canada) carbon taxes and cap-and-trade to satisfy the IMF and the World Bank interests?

Canada, a country with huge hydro-power assets.

The Expulsive
Reply to  John Harmsworth
December 16, 2017 12:53 pm

You forgot Gerald Butts, the ex-WWF operative at the heart of the Trudeau administration, who also had a hand in that disaster for Ontario, the Green Energy Act, where local controls is throttled so that the “progressive” urbanites may believe in wind and solar power sites in the country, but not near the City of Toronto, as that may cause a backlash. These rent seekers ignore local concerns, and the Ministry that is supposed to protect animal sanctuary habitats allows them to build in that habitat under that Act.

Reply to  John Harmsworth
December 16, 2017 1:53 pm

Main thing for those who want something for nothing is to pay them to do nothing, just stare out of a window. Paying them to do anything costs far more.

Reply to  John Harmsworth
December 17, 2017 2:10 pm

Natural Resources Canada, 2016-10-28

Re: Promotion of wind turbines/wind energy.

‘Wind Energy’

Wind is free?

December 15, 2017 11:00 pm

Art would you be willing to put some numbers to your comment, or, alternatively, reference a source that I can review. Thank you.

Reply to  Michael
December 16, 2017 6:35 am

Here’s one report to get you started.
You will have to try Google for you other question. I have no time now.

Reply to  Michael
December 19, 2017 3:43 pm

Michael, It took me about 30 seconds to find the answer to your question Canada is 18% ABOVE 1990 levels while the US is only 7% above 1990 levels. US levels have fallen 7% since 2005. What difference does it make? CO2
induced warming is nothing but a scam anyway.

December 15, 2017 11:30 pm

He’s an idiot for sure.
He tried to insert gender rights into a trade pact with China. The result was that the Chinese wouldn’t even start negotiations. I hope they didn’t hurt themselves laughing. link

Alan Robertson
Reply to  commieBob
December 16, 2017 1:10 pm

“While mention of climate change in a trade agreement would be largely symbolic, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pushed for the inclusion of such “progressive” elements to help boost public support for trade.”
Here;s a Newsflash for you, Mr. Prime Minister Trudeau:
the public wants all the trade they can get, it’s you Leftist Gov’t types that are against it.

Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 17, 2017 3:46 am

And sadly populists like Trump.

December 15, 2017 11:41 pm

Justin Trudeau just returned from China, also on a Free Trade discussion mission, and was soundly refuted by top officials of China for trying to force upon them all kinds of ridiculous demands such as gender/LBGQT issues, women’s rights, environmental issues and of course, human rights amongst a long list of other demands. It was he who went with cap in hand, begging to start free trade talks, subject to the inclusion of said issues. China sent him politely home, with absolutely no mention of any present possibility of starting any free trade talks. And all the time the Americans are watching this, and having to put up with a bunch of similar nonsense such as insertion of climate policies into NAFTA. I am sure Trump is really going to listen to that. Not.

This is a trust fund kid who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth given to him by his father, the senior Trudeau who single handedly destroyed much of the old Canada that everyone knew and loved around the world. And many around the world, especially Moslems, do love JT since he fast tracking them into Canada as fast as he can. Now Junior is trying to even outdo his own daddy by coming up with with even more bizarre demands on Canadians. Too many to list, but Canada too is now slowly going down the drain. He basically won the election by promising to legalize and sell pot, which was estimated to get out an extra million millennial votes. Now the Gov’t is going to be the biggest defacto drug dealer in Canada. They could have just decriminalized it, like his father promised nearly 50 years ago.

When Oz and NZ negotiated a free trade deal with China, it was just strictly about trade issues, and how to improve the flow of goods and services between the nations. What a tragedy that Canadians will have to put up with this juvenile wannabe for nearly two years years before the next election. Sad.

Extreme Hiatus
Reply to  Earthling2
December 16, 2017 12:01 am

Thanks for providing the fuller picture Earthling2. He’s very special.

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 16, 2017 9:03 am

I wanted to share a story with you from National Post:

Rex Murphy wrote:

Trudeau must explain how Khadr payout was ever the honourable option

Canadian soldiers, especially those wounded in Afghanistan, must be asking which of them has been so distinguished with a cash bonanza for doing the right thing by their country?


Child soldier Omar Khadr, recruited by his terrorist father was paid $10.5 million by Trudeau after he killed an American soldier in Afghanistan, was captured by the Americans and imprisoned at Guantanamo.

This was an outrageous act of treason by Trudeau, an insult to our American allies and especially an insult to the family of the dead US soldier. Finally, it was an insult to all our Canadian soldiers and to all sensible Canadians.

Trudeau is not just an imbecile – he is highly destructive to Canada.

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 25, 2017 11:28 am

I was watching Madagascar recently wit my young daughter, when it suddenly hit me:

Justine Trudeau IS King Julian! The similarities are striking:
They are both arrogant, uneducated, imbecilic, and destructive.

M Seward
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 16, 2017 2:47 am

Pretty Boy Trudeau is just more evidence of the power of the media to present even the shallowest puddle as the sea. Macron is further evidence.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 16, 2017 7:12 pm

M Seward: The CBC had nonstop orgasms the day he announced his candidacy and brainwashed the basically stupid public that this guy was the next coming of Christ.

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  Earthling2
December 16, 2017 5:44 am

Technically the silver spoon was handed down from the grand-father to the father and then the grand-son. The grand-father owned a series of gas stations which he sold for a not so small fortune many decades ago. So the Trudeau fortune is literally built on fossil fuels.

Reply to  Earthling2
December 16, 2017 7:12 am

Living in Calgary, Alberta, I can concur with Earthings comments. It is interesting to note, that this Pissante of a PM has as his principal secretary (No 1 Advisor), a certain Gerald Butts. Mr Butts was previously the CEO of the WWF – World WildLife Fund as well as the Chief architect of Ontario’s Disastrous Green Energy Act. This guy is behind our West Coast Tanker Ban (designed to out manouvre any Pipelines to Tidewater), and has been a major influence in the imposition of his Marxist Agenda of Energy Poverty – to reduce population. His perfect world being as he has stated, a world of 1 Billion souls.

Justin Trudeau the avowed “feminist” has recited the Shahadda, does not believe FGM is “Barbaric” and has decided that returning ISIS guys simply need some hugs and therapy so as to “re-integrate” into Canadian Society.

Hopefully that will give you all a bit more insight as the Absolute F’n Imbecile we have as a Prime Minister.

Reply to  steakman
December 16, 2017 9:00 am

May as well hang the rest of the liberals with him. There used to be an odd good one but I can’t identify one now. That said, we will be hard-pressed to deny him a second term. Too many still hoping he will grow up.

Reply to  steakman
December 16, 2017 12:56 pm

WWF Canada, Toronto, Feb.24, 2009

Re: “The Green Energy Alliance” group and the Green Energy Act 2009.

‘Green Energy Act: First in North America’

Reply to  steakman
December 16, 2017 7:42 pm

Government of Canada

‘Key contacts and stakeholders’

Scroll down to: Non-governmental organizations.

Webpage has a profile of each organization.and what their interests are.

List at:

Les Segal
Reply to  steakman
December 17, 2017 12:08 pm

Living in Edmonton, Alberta, and being aware of the workings of Gerald Butts , I fully concur with your take on our current federal government.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Earthling2
December 16, 2017 8:13 am

My apologies to all our trading partners for our Prime Minister’s behaviour. It is a source of immense embarrassment that our national leader thinks imaginary future threats with little to no scientific basis are more important than building economies and international trade.

J Mac
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
December 17, 2017 12:57 pm

Andy… and all Canadians,
Many of us in the USA felt exactly the same way about the feral Barack Hussein Obama!
May you rectify your leadership problem in the next election.

Reply to  Earthling2
December 17, 2017 11:55 am

You spelled it out very clear, good one.

Extreme Hiatus
December 15, 2017 11:59 pm

Trudeau is pretty globalist puppet. He talks well. (Canada’s Obama.)

To understand what he’s parroting you need to know who is handler is: Gerald Butts. He was the ‘brains’ behind Ontario’s plunge into ‘Green Energy’ then headed WWF Canada and essentially called for all Canada’s oil to be left in the ground. Etc.

The good thing about this NAFTA ploy is that it is about to blow up in his face. Just like his recent trip to China where he thought he was going to charm them into accepting his ‘progressive’ issues in starting a trade deal and they basically told him to go play. The Chinese call him the ‘Little Potato.’

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 16, 2017 2:08 am

It’s not getting warmer bozo, it’s getting colder.

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 16, 2017 2:57 am

”Little Potato” is for 100% of him. Imagine what they think of his brain.

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 16, 2017 9:18 am

He doesn’t even talk well…..he can hardly string a sentence together.

Extreme Hiatus
Reply to  Joey
December 16, 2017 1:52 pm

“He doesn’t even talk well…..he can hardly string a sentence together.”

I should have qualified that as he can speak well only when reading from a script or parroting the usual phrases.

Even better, as a former drama teacher, he speaks very dramatically.

If only he could hang out with Beyoncé and JZ he would reach true idol status.

Reply to  Extreme Hiatus
December 16, 2017 10:43 am

He was booted out of 1st year engineering for a reason. He is lazy and most likely Has Fetal alcohol syndrome to a certain extent. Can’t stand this goofball

M Courtney
December 16, 2017 12:08 am

Symbols used to promote public acceptance?

That sounds like the misuse of religion to me.

December 16, 2017 12:13 am

Macreau-Trudon same puppets

Reply to  TomRude
December 16, 2017 6:34 am

Most likely same handlers also.

Reply to  kenkulak
December 16, 2017 3:41 pm


December 16, 2017 1:07 am

I thought trade was about buying and selling things. Who knew!

December 16, 2017 1:49 am

What a lucky country is Canada . It can afford to throw away trade deals with the two most powerful economies in the world over a dispute concerning not eg customs duties or patent protection but the dubious doctrines of political correctness and climate change. I had not realised that Canada was so self sufficient .

December 16, 2017 1:53 am

It’s not getting warmer bozo, it’s getting colder.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
December 16, 2017 2:08 am

It tells you something interesting then the EU was happy to agree a trade deal with Canada.

December 16, 2017 2:47 am

Trump should have nothing to do with Trudeau. Don’t sign the deal, just tear it up and walk away until Canadians get smart enough to elect adult political representatives instead of immature posers.

Reply to  J.H.
December 16, 2017 3:50 am

J.H. We had an adult running the store. His name was Stephen Harper. He was a professional economist who ran a balanced budget, played a good piano and wrote a book on the history of hockey. Not satisfied with success, we elected a drama coach whose grandfather made his fortune with a company called (wait for it) CHAMPLAIN PETROLEUM which he sold to the Canadian subsidiary of Exxon. So ironically, Junior has the luxury of screwing the oil industry because he can live off an inheritance that came from the oil industry. Honestly, you couldn’t make that one up!

Lee L
Reply to  Trebla
December 16, 2017 9:50 am

Further things you couldn’t make up … junior’s dad Pierre Trudeau who, while living off HIS oil inheritance, attempted to nationalize the Canadian oil industry by creating Petro Canada. He then tapped ANOTHER socialist oil baron to head up Petro Canada. That baron was Maurice Strong who went on to head up Ontario Hydro. Strong had worked for the UN, returned there and ultimately created UNEP and started the IPCC and the Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Stranger than science fiction.

Reply to  J.H.
December 16, 2017 6:37 am

It kind of looks like that is what is happening.

December 16, 2017 3:06 am
December 16, 2017 3:24 am

I’m OK with closing the Canadian border to Canadians doing “medical vacations” in the US now that both countries have nationalized health care since the travel has a huge impact on Canadians contributing to the US’s carbon footprint.

Reply to  cedarhill
December 16, 2017 3:55 am

Cedarhill: I’m OK with your closing your border to Canadian medical tourists if we can close our border to your senator Bernie Sanders bussing American pharmaceutical tourist up here to buy our much cheaper drugs, and running the risk of driving our costs up to your levels.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Trebla
December 16, 2017 4:49 am

So we would pay more for meds and you guys would have to wait six months for mris and surgery? That wouldn’t be a win for you.

Reply to  Trebla
December 16, 2017 11:44 am

Your going in the wrong direction.

Reply to  Trebla
December 17, 2017 4:42 am

six months for mris and surgery
the health system is rationed in Canada by need. in the US it is rationed by money. there are pros and cons for both.

for example in Canada if you have an ailment that is extremely bothersome but not likely to kill you, expect to wait. if you have a life threatening condition you will be moved to the head of the line.

so if you have an extremely bothersome problem that isn’t likely to kill you and have money the US system will serve you much better.

if you are trying to keep costs down without increasing death rates the Canadian system is better.

December 16, 2017 3:25 am

Why do I keep getting Trudeau and Macron mixed up ? !

Reply to  AndyG55
December 17, 2017 9:31 am

because they are absolute proof of the dangers of giving the French the vote.

December 16, 2017 4:46 am

“No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there.” For sure. Forget about the oil — the barrels alone must be worth about 100 bucks each — imagine a country with 173 billion of ’em in the ground!

Mike McMillan
Reply to  BallBounces
December 16, 2017 7:14 am

How can any environmentalist oppose cleaning up those awful tar sands? (and shipping that pollution down to the U.S. for disposal)

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Mike McMillan
December 16, 2017 11:38 am

Actually a valid point, Mike. Large amounts of bitumen have been seeping into the Athabasca River for centuries. It could be argued that the oil sands operations are engaged in the world’s biggest clean up operation. Otherwise, all that oil would eventually make it’s way to the surface environment, as billions of barrels certainly have over millions of years. Including huge amounts from natural sea floor seeps. Strangely, no apparent long term ill effects! Go figure!

December 16, 2017 4:57 am

Can we trade Trudeau for Trump.

Reply to  Rob
December 16, 2017 5:09 am

No! We’ll keep Trump, thanks for the offer. Of course, Canada could always join the Union. Then you too could have Trump and get rid of Trudeau all in one fell swoop. :))

Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 5:24 am

I can assure you that you wouldn’t want it all.

Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 2:05 pm

Meh, so we give Quebec to France.

Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 7:12 pm

I’ll throw in a first round draft pick – and $500,000 (Cdn) international signing bonus!

Reply to  SMC
December 17, 2017 9:41 am

give Quebec to France.
Quebec voted for Trudeau because they knew he would screw up Canada and thereby teach the Anglos a lesson for being mean and saying bad things about Quebec.

December 16, 2017 4:59 am

But hey, look at his socks!

Hocus Locus
December 16, 2017 5:22 am


Trade Agreements are meticulously spun like glass from flowery and delightfully vague but emotionally refractive diplo-language. Their proponents choose the light source and angle and throw the switch, bringing the Agreement into the foci for all to see. The crowd swoons. Economists pen columns about their favorite theories and tie optimal and promising outcomes to the Agreement in non-sequitir ways that defy analysis, using the same formula that is used to sell toothpaste.

Then Trump has the audacity to refer to it as ‘a bad deal’. This triggers an eruption as noisome as a ruptured forced sewer main, as diplomats of persuasion label Trump’s viewpoint as crude and struggle to defend the Agreement with elaborate obfuscation and hypnosis. They are desperately hopeful that the gentle spell of incomprehension will return.

Notice that a great deal of criticism of Trump pretends to be about other things… but we often see that it was triggered by his use of direct and simple language. That is because those triggered are in such an excitable state that they cannot let even a ‘pretend moment’ of thought go by. The response is immediate and feral.

Reply to  Hocus Locus
December 16, 2017 9:41 am

Well-said Hocus Locus. Send your comment in to as many newspapers as you can.

December 16, 2017 5:47 am

Canada has a population of just short of 37M and spread out over the second largest land area of all the countries. California has a population of 39M. Canada has a GDP of $1.5T USD. California has a GDP of $2.6T.

I’m not so sure how much strength Canada has at the negotiating table here.

If they were really smart, they would build pipelines from the western provinces to the coast of BC and basically pay for all their social needs on oil and gas exports a la Norway. But since they are all so green up there, I guess they would rather starve.

Reply to  rbabcock
December 16, 2017 7:23 am

yea, those of us in Alberta who depend on the the Energy Industry would love just that…but we are surrounded on the West side with those DEEPLY infected with Kalifornianism…a virlulent left disease compounded with Eco-Nazism. Alberta itself, in a blind rage, voted in Communists near 3 yrs ago. A group also infected with Eco-Nazism. And in power in Ottawa we have a Pissante of a prancing pansy whose only claim to fame is being the spoilt arrogant French spawn of a communist and a doped up ho Who has stated publicly that he wishes to “phase out” the Oil Sands – I’d run the SOB over given the chance. as would any of my fellow oil/gas workers…

December 16, 2017 5:55 am

Trump actually likes this kid. Easy to see why. What’s not to like?
Trudeau is ignorant, stupid, a lousy negotiator and he’s about to make all of Canada totally uncompetetive with a carbon tax on the poor, and this brain fever with Climate change. Trump just loves him. Please adopt him and get him out of my hair.

R. Shearer
Reply to  jsuther2013
December 16, 2017 8:17 am

Unfortunately, the U.S. isn’t very good about learning from its mistakes.

Reply to  R. Shearer
December 16, 2017 5:38 pm

Yes you did, last November, remember?

December 16, 2017 6:26 am

“Given how many people Trudeau has upset, you really have to wonder who he thinks his target audience is, or whether he even has a target audience.”

That’s easy – he is targeting all the climate refuges that are streaming into Canada every day.

December 16, 2017 6:35 am

Most of you do not actually understand what’s going on here. The Trudeau government’s handling of all its international trade negotiations needs to be seen in its total context, not as isolated events.

1. The Canadian negotiators at Trudeau’s behest brought several agenda items to the Nafta negotiations under the rubric of “progressive trade”: global warming, gender rights, aboriginal rights. It has also brought all of these to TPP and its attempt to negotiate a bilateral with China. ALL of these countries, particularly the US and China, have indicated that trade deals are about trade, nothing else.

So, it came as no surprise when these added items got a hostile reception from the US administration. It has fared little better with TPP. Worse, because of matters not going as Trudeau wanted, TPP was not friendly to this agenda either. This is a large part of the reason Trudeau was a no-show at the TPP First Ministers Meeting, embarrassing everyone and infuriating Japan and Australia. Remember above all: TPP is an ‘everyone except China’ deal.

So Trudeau blows all of this off by going to China seeking a bilateral trade negotiations and in essence getting thrown out of the room. Leaving China, Trudeau indicates that, “We’re going to continue to seek progressive trade agreements.” Left unmentioned is that the attempted bilateral with China has irritated TPP and the US and weakened Canada’s negotiating position with both groups.

2. Here’s why this comedy show makes political sense. In 2015 the Trudeau Liberals took office because of the near complete collapse of the NDP vote. As a result, the Liberal government now had a horde of new Left-wing voters, and the Liberal Party needs to keep them. Retaining these new voters, particularly in Quebec and British Columbia will be essential to winning a new mandate in two years time when Canada will go back to the polls. Without them, they will either be a minority government at best or out of office with a Conservative government replacing them.

So they have to keep the new socialist voting bloc. None of the above is about real trade agreements. It’s about being able to go back to the voters and say, “We tried, but all these bigoted, racist foreigners won’t back our clean, gender-neutral trade agenda. So you need to keep voting for us, because the Liberal Party of Canada is the only place that can advance a left wing agenda in Canada and around the world.”

3. The Liberal Party of Canada, particularly in the persons of the PM, Global Affairs Minister, and Minister of the Environment, are all true believers in Global Warming and Renewable Energy. The Canadian economy has been growing strongly in terms of employment (even though a lot of this is public sector). So what need to worry if some trade deals go sideways? Furthermore, because Canada’s internal global warming program features cap and trade, CO2 will be a commodity and subject to sales tax. The total revenue generated by the GST will be about $750 million annually in government revenue. This is very important to the government reducing the deficit somewhat while continuing their huge federal budget expenditures.

In short, all of the Trudeau government’s handling of international trade negotiations are about the Liberal government’s domestic political agenda and setting the stage to win the next election.

Reply to  cgh
December 16, 2017 9:56 am

Thanks for that clear and insightful explanation cgh. Greatly appreciated.

Reply to  hollybirtwistle
December 16, 2017 1:17 pm

You are welcome. What needs to be remembered are two points in all this:
1. Liberal governments, particularly in Ottawa and Ontario, are irredeemably hostile to business. This is easily demonstrated by the shoveling on of heavier tax burdens for small business, a doubling of electricity rates in the past six years, and in Ontario pushing the minimum wage up about 40% in one year. This last effect will have a push-up effect on all higher wage brackets, particularly the public service. It’s also already starting to wipe out jobs by the dump-truck load in specific sectors like hospitality. Big cities are starting to lose restaurants left and right. And it’s the Mom and Pop operations that get hit the hardest. Chains can always find other places to lay these labour costs off elsewhere.
2. The only exception to rule 1 is if your industry is in a key constituency that the government has to win for election purposes. Then, as example Bombardier, the money bags open wide.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  cgh
December 16, 2017 3:08 pm

Well, yes they do talk global warming &etc. but the Liberal Party of Canada is the Canadian Establishment par excellence. At worst for the Canadian establishment/elite, they don’t suffer from these Watrermelon olicies, even they can profit.

As an example, the upcoming legalization of Marijuana is looking good, many Liberal party big wigs are on boards of companies that will make a killing with legaslization.

Reply to  cgh
December 16, 2017 5:28 pm

The conservatives now call tHemselves progressive and back the Paris agreement and multicultural BS no one to vote for

Reply to  Mick
December 17, 2017 12:05 am

180 degrees wrong. Until 15 years ago there was a federal Progressive Conservative party, but when it merged with the Canadian Alliance (nee Reform) party the label progressive was dropped, and it became the Conservative Party. Canada was run by the Conservatives when the Paris agreement was signed and Canada was one of the few nations that refused to sign it. It was after the Liberals under Trudeau were elected that Canada signed. As far as multiculturalism and immigration is concerned, it is fair to call them squishes on that file, but compared to any other party in Canada (or even the Republicans in the U.S.) they appear fairly hard line (in a world of 0s,1s and 2s, a 3 out of 10 looks like a high mark).

Reply to  cgh
December 16, 2017 6:15 pm

You have neglected Trudeau’s personal end goal, which is to become Secretary-General of the UN….

December 16, 2017 7:34 am

‘Natural gas emits only half as much CO2 as coal, and occupies a rapidly increasing share of electricity generation – up 37% since 2007, while coal’s share has plummeted by 25%. Indeed, natural gas has drawn close to coal as the number one source of US power. Renewables still constitute only 5% of power generation in the US – less than hydroelectric and far less than nuclear, let alone coal or gas.’ Carbon dioxide emissions in the US have dropped 12% double the goal of Kyoto due overwhelmingly because of natural gas. So-called Greens, who demand wind and solar which have a miniscule or practically zero affect on Carbon dioxide, fight fracking and NG pipelines. It seems they hate anything that solves the problem they say is a danger to civilization or even mankind’s existence such as NG and nuclear while embracing the absolute worst form of energy that has zero chance of solving this ‘problem’. They live in a strange anti-logic, purely political world.

December 16, 2017 9:00 am

at least now in Canada we get to chose our own gender pronoun and it is a criminal offence if you don’t call a person by their chosen pronoun.
so I give formal notice that henceforth my gender pronoun is “prime-minister”. it is now a criminal offence to address me as other than “prime-minister ferd berple”. except on Wednesdays when my gender pronoun becomes “supreme-being”.

Reply to  ferdberple
December 16, 2017 9:17 am

Yo, Mr. Dude Prime FB, for some reason or other I don’t think you have the appropriate plumbing or accoutrements to be one of the Supremes. But what do I know in this word of LGBTQXYZ world of political correctness. By the way, why Wednesdays? Is that Karaoke Night at the local watering hole? :))

John Harmsworth
Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 11:48 am

You forgot, or maliciously omitted PM from your list. I would file a complaint but you ignorantly failed to inform us how you wish to be identified.

Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 12:47 pm

John Harmsworth, I’m a cis-male that identifies as female and lesbian. You can call me just about whatever you want except late for dinner or yellow bellied. :))

Reply to  SMC
December 16, 2017 5:42 pm

In Canada you cannot question others about their chosen identity.

Reply to  SMC
December 17, 2017 4:25 am

it did occur to me that heterosexual males can identify as transsexual lesbians. females in male bodies that prefer female partners.
where do I sign up for my share of the LGBTQXYZ handouts. having now qualified for not one, but two letters.

Morris Minor
December 16, 2017 9:54 am

Just cancel NAFTA and let the Canadians go elsewhere. Its ok with me.

Reply to  Morris Minor
December 16, 2017 5:21 pm

It would be the best thing for Canada, too, because Canadians would no longer be able to elect idiots without worrying about the consequences.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  MarkG
December 17, 2017 8:24 am

There’s a certain amount of truth to that

Roger Graves
December 16, 2017 10:50 am

What tends to be forgotten is that what matters most to voters nowadays is that the votee should have charisma. Canada’s last prime minister, Stephen Harper, was sadly lacking in this department; indeed, it might be said that he possessed charisntma. The only way that Justin Trudeau could have lost the last election would have been if the alternative was Oprah, or possible Madonna.

JT has been deified, and can do no wrong. Indeed, we even have a Trudeaupian hymn book. For example:

(to the tune of How sweet the name of Jesus sounds)

How sweet the name of Justin sounds
In a believer’s ear
He’ll promise anything you want
But never let you near.

How beautiful his selfies are
Midst the adoring throng
With mainstream media on his side
He never can do wrong.

How brightly his charisma shines
His gilded name stands tall
In adulation bathed he hath
No need of brains at all.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Roger Graves
December 16, 2017 11:52 am

I’m sure Madonna has many, many diseases but I have never observed symptoms of charisma there.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Roger Graves
December 16, 2017 9:09 pm

That’s pretty much how Obama was viewed here as well.

D P Laurable
December 16, 2017 12:07 pm

Don’t worry, if Trudeau can get rolling papers into NAFTA, he’ll cave on the rest!

December 16, 2017 1:41 pm

Trudeau is like some jerk trying to shove his religion down your throat. He made the same arrogant mistake recently in China .
Prime Minister dressed down for the China trip appearing before the very formal welcome looking like he was going to Canadian Tire to by a plunger . Read the room … China and the USA don’t give a flying fig
about Mr Politically correct and his self righteous hobbies . Stay home or grow up .

Robert of Ottawa
December 16, 2017 2:46 pm

As a Canadian, I would like to apologize for the rank stupidity of my government. My Prime Minister is King of the Kindergarten.

December 16, 2017 4:16 pm

Thank you all for the insights into Canada 2017-December.
Much as I suspe4cted – on the other side of the Atlantic – but also worse than I had feared.

And I wish I could tell you that we – in the UK, let alone in South London – are in a good place. . . . . .


Reply to  Auto
December 16, 2017 8:59 pm

Hate to say it, but, as someone who emigrated from the UK to Canada, I can safely say you’re much worse off. We may have idiots in Ottawa, but most policies that affect peoples’ everyday lives are made provincially, not nationally. With rare exceptions, like gun laws and ‘carbon tax’, I’m more concerned by what the provincial government is doing than what Ottawa is doing.

December 16, 2017 11:13 pm

As a Canadian who cringes every time Trudeau speaks, all I can say is “Judge us not by our politicians, lest ye be judged by yours”
I am proud of my nation, even if it’s political class is a total embarrassment. But then again, name one country on the planet where it’s citizens wouldn’t say the same thing.

December 17, 2017 3:12 am

Kick Trudeau’s butts down the stairs.

December 17, 2017 7:54 am

OT but…

Toxic wind turbine blades injure woman.

Also, Nextera is attempting to form expedited wind zones in Maine, they resheduled a public meeting hours away from the project locations, (on ir near Johm Malone’s million acre properties), just before Christmas when everyone will be occupied ir gone for the holiday.

December 17, 2017 8:42 am

This is our future Prime Minister of Canada, on the campaign trail. Go ahead and laugh.

Gunga Din
December 17, 2017 11:33 am

Through CAGW into Nafta?
“The Farce is strong in this one.”

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 17, 2017 11:33 am

THROW!, not “through”.

[Rather, should it not have been misstyped “Through NAFTA into CAGW!” ? .mod]

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 18, 2017 2:22 pm

Good point, but I can’t claim it.
(CAGW. Maybe the “W” doesn’t stand for “warming” but rather “worming” it’s way into all policy decisions?)
I was going for something along the lines of “Introducing CAGW into NAFTA is stoopid!” 😎

December 17, 2017 3:53 pm

Passing US tax reform and letting NAFTA expire even for one year will shut down Canada.

Steve A
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 17, 2017 4:01 pm

Perhaps just the shock we need to bring the sheep back to sensibility.

Doug MacKenzie
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 17, 2017 5:10 pm

I’m not a Trudeau fan, but so far the US negotiation tactics of “beggar thy neighbor” are way less than reasonable. So far US strategy is to cause US job creation by putting Canada “out of business”.

Reply to  Doug MacKenzie
December 17, 2017 7:30 pm

Why wouldn’t the US try to make gains at Canada’s expense? They are both separate, sovereign countries that the the citizens expect the politicians to once in awhile look after the citizen’s interest, such as in jobs. Jobs to Canadians won’t pay an American’s bills.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 18, 2017 2:41 pm

The US should have “America First” policies.
Canada should have “Canada First” policies.
Any agreements between the two should benefit both.
Agreements based on CAGW theories benefit neither.

Terry C
December 19, 2017 1:03 pm

Bieber…. Trudeau…. God I’m so damned embarrassed.


Reply to  Terry C
December 19, 2017 2:54 pm

You should be…..

OTTAWA—Besides the best-growing economy in the Group of Seven, Canada has another, less-flattering distinction among the developed world’s biggest economies: a widespread failure to pay its employees.

Since early last year, more than half, or 150,000, of the Canadian government’s employees have either been overpaid, underpaid or not paid at all because of flaws in a new payroll system, auditors said Tuesday. The fix could take years and cost taxpayers upward of a half a billion dollars, they warned.

December 21, 2017 1:25 am

Canadians love preachy Liberals like Prime Minister Photo – OP. Budgets balance themselves according to
Trudeau . Seems offshore accounts are OK for silver spoon preachy Liberals but people that are not reliant on government need to be culled .
The USA is going to send Trudeau and his group of weepers packing .

December 25, 2017 2:02 am

If Trump wanted to be mean he could simply point out that no climate change prediction has ever proven correct. Every single thing they’ve said has been proven wrong. There is no problem with whales, bears, plankton, no increases in extreme weather, no forecast of temperature, rain, hurricanes or anything has ever come to pass. Since 1999 temperatures flatlined which they didn’t predict. They have spent the last 20 years playing with historical temperatures to make the temperature change look like it’s still going up by depressing temperatures for the last 100 years. Now parts of Australia are 6F less than were measured at the time. Boy those thermostats back then were amazingly inaccurate and always measured temperature too hot. Amazing.

For the first time ever climate scientists claim they have predicted increased tropical storm activity of the coast of India. Wow. After billions and billions and 30 years they think the models can actually predict one thing in the entire world accurately. We’ll see. They have a tendency to jump to conclusions based on spurious data. Every storm they claim is caused by global warming until we go 11 years withputa storm and then they forget they ever said something. This is the most bogus science run by corrupt propagandists. What an embarrassment to science.

December 29, 2017 3:55 pm

I expect HRH Queen Elizabeth II will be squirming at seeing her lap-dog Trudeau behaving like an imbecile. He is supposed to be reading the script, rather than going off-piste and pushing his own rather dumb liberal agenda. I think his days are numbered and, if he doesn’t tow the line, the order will soon be issued – ‘off with his head!’

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