Climate Craziness of the Week: Michael Mann hawking “climate toothpaste”

You just have to see the photo below, from the Mann himself, who has on occasion referred to me as a “carnival barker” while apparently not fully understanding how he looks at times. Hilariously, we have this photo from his Facebook Page:

Here is a closeup of the product. Ridiculous as it is, it’s a real product, sold at something called “The Climate Store”.

Apparently, the intrepid Dr. Mann is getting behind this woman, Ms. Meitiv, who seems to be running for a county council position. She apparently asked him to give a talk called “What’s up with the weather?”. Hmmm.

It was part of a publicity stunt at a bar and grill called “The Barking Dog” and seemed to be “heavily” attended:

So, the next time Dr. Mann throws a Twitter tantrum, which is almost daily, we can now say to him: GO WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOME CLIMATE TOOTPASTE!

Surely, there will be other climate related personal hygiene products coming down the pike that Dr. Mann will endorse. We await those with bated breath!

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JohnH
October 19, 2017 1:53 pm

Shouldn’t the toothpaste be called Climategate? (instead of Colgate).

george e. smith
Reply to  JohnH
October 19, 2017 3:45 pm

The closest ANY toothpaste ever got to actually claiming to do anything, was a certain brand of “decay preventative dentifrice” which when used in conjunction with regular trips to the dentist could result in less tooth decay. It made no claims to do anything if you didn’t go to the dentist every six months, nor did it say what happens if you just go to the dentist regularly, and forget the toothpaste.

Honey works just as well to get the kid to put the brush in his mouth and brush his teeth. Cleaning your teeth is nothing like making your tea or coffee sweet tasting.

With teeth it is the brushing that gets them clean not the minty goop. With the tea or coffee it is the other way round; it is the sugar that makes it sweet; not the stirring, which does nothing for the sweetness without the sugar (real or plastic).

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Greg
Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 4:29 pm

Everyone knows that Pennstate washes whiter !

drednicolson
Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 5:36 pm

Dogs clean their teeth when they gnaw on fresh bones. It stimulates saliva production, and the porous, spongey texture works like a big toothbrush.

Hivemind
Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 7:47 pm

When I can’t brush my teeth, I eat a raw carrot. It scrubs even cleaner than a toothbrush.

Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 8:51 pm

With teeth it is the brushing that gets them clean not the minty goop.

Actually, it’s the rinsing that gets them clean, and I feel that many people are NOT tuned into this.
As in the case with Earth’s temperature regulation, it’s the WATER, Mann.

I wonder whether a CLIMATE diarrhea medication is in the offing

Mark Luhman
Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 10:04 pm

The reality is water works as well a tooth paste. It the mechanical action of the brush that cleans your teeth.

Roger Knights
Reply to  george e. smith
October 19, 2017 10:34 pm

Livionex dental gel, a newish product, claims to prevent plaque from forming on teeth. I’ve been using some for a week and I’ve found it reduces plaque. $20 per tube. Favorably reviewed on the Cool Tools site here, which quotes endorsements by dental hygienists:
http://kk.org/cooltools/livionex-dental-gel/

peanut gallery
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 12:32 am

Reminds me of the Flouride speach to Mandrake.

commieBob
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 12:41 am

Roger Knights October 19, 2017 at 10:34 pm

… claims to prevent plaque from forming on teeth.

For the same reason, I use xylitol to sweeten my coffee. I’ve only been using it for a few years but it seems to be effective. YMMV There does seem to be some evidence of remineralization as well.

Why doesn’t Dr. Mann show teeth in his pictures. It could be that no toothpaste company would use his teeth to advertise their product.

Jennifer Symonds
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 3:09 am

Bicarb.,mint oil,coconut oil,xylitol: mix to paste: makes brilliant “toothpaste”; (if I feel lazy just add a bit of warm water & use as mouthwash). Re the 2 idiots in photo : I’m sure they’ll rake in a lot of dosh for the manufacturers of this dodgy product as there’s still way to many plonkers that believe all this carbon dioxide/climate change rubbish & they will be deluding themselves into thinking they’re “doing their bit” to avert climate change!

Monna M
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 6:32 am

The whole point of brushing your teeth is he regular appliation of fluoride, which strengthens the tooth against the acids formed in your mouth as a result of eating. Didn’t any of you ever do that experiment with the eggs sitting in vinegar? Brushing the eggshell with toothpaste kept it hard. The shell of the egg that was not brushed turned soft and rubbery after a couple of days.

Monna M
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 6:33 am

Sorry about the typos. Typing on my phone.

drednicolson
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 12:37 pm

Wait at least a half hour after a meal before brushing. The enamel will still be softened from food acidity and easily strip when abraded.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 1:04 pm

“Reminds me of the Flouride speach to Mandrake.”

We must not allow D e n i a l i s t infiltration, D e n i a l i s t subversion, and the global D e n i a l i s t conspiracy, to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 1:08 pm

in fact tooth blackening worked extremely well at protecting teeth – better than our Western methods, but unfortunately Western culture all but obliterated the practice.

I happen to have very thin enamel and was told at an early age by the dentists in my family (3 of them) that I was making things much worse with my scrubbing to get white teeth since they were naturally yellow due to the thinness of the enamel – my scrubbing was wrecking what little remained. Since then I quit scrubbing and have had very few fillings needed since – I had more before the age of 18 than I had since (I’m now 51)

Maybe I should take up tooth blackening .. hmm.

Gabro
Reply to  george e. smith
October 20, 2017 5:09 pm

Commie,

No GI issues with xylitol?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5093271/

mellyrn
Reply to  george e. smith
October 21, 2017 5:15 pm

Fluoride does improve the acid resistance of tooth enamel — but at the cost of changing the mineral structure. The fluoride ion is swapped in for . . . I forget the radical; learned it in Inorganic Chem back in ’74. The new mineral is more acid-resistant. Unfortunately, since the new fluoride component is smaller than the radical it replaces, your enamel is now more physically fragile. Fewer cavities; more fractures.

The professor who taught Inorganic Chem thought fluoridation was wonderful. The professor who taught Mineralogy begged to differ. (I was a geology major.)

Casey
Reply to  george e. smith
October 22, 2017 2:29 pm

I brush with whisky (dip the brush in it, then gargle it… then swallow it… then swallow it.. then…)

The brushing removes any detritus between the teeth, the alcohol is antiseptic… and a mouthwash… and a drink!

M Seward
Reply to  JohnH
October 19, 2017 4:09 pm

+10

PaulH
Reply to  JohnH
October 19, 2017 4:34 pm

I’m sure Mann got permission form the copyright holders for this toothpaste gimmick, right?

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  JohnH
October 19, 2017 7:41 pm

There you go, and UAH adjusted too!
http://i64.tinypic.com/rr61j7.jpg
Now I know i’ve got to get a life! 😉

Urederra
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
October 20, 2017 7:45 am

Good work.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
October 20, 2017 4:56 pm

Don’t you mean UEA adjusted?

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
October 21, 2017 1:45 am

Good point jorgekafkazar!

UEA adjusted!

http://i66.tinypic.com/2z7okjk.jpg

Hugs
Reply to  JohnH
October 20, 2017 1:45 am

Lol. When I look at the picture, I have a disturbing feeling that this Mann and women don’t go along. Does he have a family at all? His Wikipedia page does not give even a birth date!

gnomish
Reply to  JohnH
October 20, 2017 9:37 pm

i notice the time on the clock is 10:10′
“Doing nothing about climate change is still a fairly common affliction, even in this day and age. What to do with those people, who are together threatening everybody’s existence on this planet? Clearly we don’t really think they should be blown up, that’s just a joke for the mini-movie, but maybe a little amputating would be a good place to start?” Franny Armstrong, founder of 10:10

gnomish
Reply to  gnomish
October 21, 2017 4:32 pm

i also notice it lacks the standard warning label :This product is known to the state of california to cause cancer.

Reply to  JohnH
October 21, 2017 12:13 am

Oh yes! (-:

October 19, 2017 1:53 pm

“Climategate” would have been a better name for this product judging by the colour scheme on the box.

Bitter&Twisted
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
October 19, 2017 1:56 pm

There used to be/perhaps still is a toothpaste called “Colgate”.
In Mann’s case “Congate” would be closer to the truth.

Eustace Cranch
Reply to  Bitter&Twisted
October 20, 2017 4:34 am

There used to be/perhaps still is a toothpaste called “Colgate”.

B&T, I’m sorry, but that had me scratching my head… it’s like saying “There used to be/perhaps still is a car company called “Chevrolet.”
Colgate is still probably the largest-selling brand of toothpaste, at least in the U.S. Store shelves are covered with Colgate products. Do you buy toothpaste at all?

Robert from oz
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
October 19, 2017 2:20 pm

Does it come in Hurricane flavour ?

Craig
Reply to  Robert from oz
October 19, 2017 4:06 pm

Given what Mann is full of, I hate to imagine the flavor…

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Robert from oz
October 19, 2017 6:03 pm
Flynn
Reply to  Robert from oz
October 20, 2017 3:58 am

@Mike McMillan climateCream FTW !

oeman50
Reply to  Robert from oz
October 20, 2017 5:47 am

Good one, Mike.

TA
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
October 19, 2017 4:03 pm

When I first looked at the picture, I thought it said Climategate.

Greg
Reply to  TA
October 19, 2017 4:28 pm

me 2

Pop Piasa
Reply to  TA
October 19, 2017 9:27 pm

Perhaps that’s what it should be called – Climategate Anti-clarity formula with whitewashing stain removers.

Editor
October 19, 2017 1:54 pm

This isn’t serious is it?

What is the sixth phrase down on the yellow background? It looks like ‘grolar bears’

Tonyb

Bryan A
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:01 pm

It is…implying that the warming climate has caused the eruption of an entire new species of Ursus.
If the warmer Arctic is their niche to survival, then wouldn’t cooling it cause their extinction?
The Grolar Bear should be on the Endangered Species List and be protected.

Editor
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:13 pm

I can answer my own question.

Here is the definition of a grolar bear, caused by climate change of course

http://sciencenordic.com/grizzly-polar-bear-hybrids-spotted-canadian-arctic

Tonyb

rocketscientist
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:29 pm

Aren’t those simply called Brown bears, as it isn’t totally clear the ursus maritimus (polar bear) is distinct from ursus arctos (alaskan brown bear) or ursus horribilis (grizzly bear)?
These are merely subspecies (breeds).

Bryan A
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:34 pm

More like Golden Bears

Gabro
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:51 pm

They hybridize all the time, wherever and whenever their ranges overlap.

RAH
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 5:41 pm

Gabro October 19, 2017 at 2:51 pm
They hybridize all the time, wherever and whenever their ranges overlap.

Yes they do! But you sure will see plenty of people argue they don’t even when DNA proves it happens.

Gabro
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 5:51 pm

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/alaska-science-forum/hybrid-grizzly-polar-bear-curiosity

Hybridization has been going on in the Bering Sea, for instance, for as long as there have been brown bears adapted to seal hunting. This fact muddied the waters for studying polar bear evolution for a while, until this population was sorted out.

Bryan A
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 6:39 pm

During the right time of year you could have Goldie Bear and the 3 Lox

Gary Pearse
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 6:52 pm

Climate scientists homogenized too much.

Paul
Reply to  climatereason
October 20, 2017 4:19 am

“…Aren’t those simply called Brown bears, as it isn’t totally clear the ursus maritimus…”

We should ask. Isn’t Griff the resident polar bear expert?

MarkW
Reply to  climatereason
October 20, 2017 6:16 am

He thinks he is. That’s all the qualification needed in climate research.

rocketscientist
Reply to  climatereason
October 20, 2017 7:54 am

If they can cross-breed (hybridize) then they are no more distinct species from each other than a Labrador retriever is from a poodle.
It is merely that separation/isolation has favored some characteristics over others. Remove the isolation or alter the habitat and they will merge and adapt. As they have been doing, long before we came along and decided we control everything.
However, I don’t believe the current fluctuations in ice free summer coast lines last nearly long enough for advantages of darker shaded bears hunting from shore to establish much of a presence.

rocketscientist
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:31 pm

And… South Beach? What is this zero carbs as well?
or is it made from “Grolar Bears”…ugh which parts?

Steve Zell
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 2:43 pm

Since this is a toothpaste, maybe it should be Molar Bears, or Bare Molars.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  climatereason
October 19, 2017 4:07 pm

It does get better. Apparently she is a “former climate scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.” No wonder Mann is willing to shill for her.

Latitude
October 19, 2017 1:54 pm

enough already!

Eric Simpson
October 19, 2017 1:55 pm

The Berkeley graduate Michael Mann is more appropriately called an activist (leftist) than a scientist.

http://leftexposed.org/2016/07/michael-e-mann/

Moreover, ~ 97% of the current crop of climate “scientists” are, like Mann, in reality leftist activists that are pushing a radical agenda and not the truth.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Eric Simpson
October 19, 2017 4:16 pm

Michael Mann has yet to produce any science at all.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:28 pm

LOL @ Pat Frank

He’s done more science than you have.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:31 pm

AWARDS AND HONORS:

2017 Stephen H. Schneider Award for Outstanding Climate Science Communication, Climate One

2016 Elected Vice Chair, Topical Group on Physics of Climate (GPC), American Physical Society (APS)

2015 Elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science

2014 Named Highly Cited Researcher, Institute for Scientific Information (ISI)

2014 Friend of the Planet Award, National Center for Science Education

2013 National Conservation Achievement Award, National Wildlife Federation

2013 Bloomberg News list of 50 Most Influential People

2013 Elected Fellow of the American Meteorological Society

2012 Hans Oeschger Medal, European Geosciences Union

2011 Elected Member-at-Large of Section W (Atmospheric & Hydrospheric Sciences), American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

2008 Elected Fellow of the American Geophysical Union

2008 Profiled in American Environmental Leaders From Colonial Times to the Present

2008 Website “RealClimate.org” (co-founded by M. Mann) chosen as one of top 15 “green” websites by Time Magazine (April 2008)

2007 Contributed (with other IPCC report authors) to the award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize

2006 American Geophysical Union Editors’ Citation for Excellence in Refereeing (for ‘Geophysical Research letters’)

2005 Website “RealClimate.org” (co-founded by M. Mann) chosen as one of top 25 “Science and Technology” websites by Scientific American

2005 John Russell Mather Paper award for 2005 by the Association of American Geographers [for article: Frauenfeld, O., Davis, R.E., and Mann, M.E., A Distinctly Interdecadal Signal of Pacific Ocean-Atmosphere Interaction, Journal of Climate 18, 1709-1718, 2005]

2002 Named by Scientific American as one of 50 leading visionaries in science and technology

2002 Outstanding Scientific Paper award for 2002 by NOAA Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (OAR) [for article: Delworth, T.L., Mann, M.E., Observed and Simulated Multidecadal Variability in the Northern Hemisphere, Climate Dynamics, 16, 661-676, 2000]

2002 Article [Mann et al, “Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries”, Nature, 392, 779-787, 1998] selected for ‘fast moving fronts’ by Institute for Scientific Information (ISI)

2002 Selected as one of 10 ‘Mead Honored Faculty’, University of Virginia

1998 Council of Graduate Schools’ Distinguished Dissertation Award, nominated

1997 Phillip M. Orville Prize for outstanding dissertation in the earth sciences, Yale University

1996 Alexander Hollaender Distinguished Postdoctoral Fellowship (DOE)

1989 Josiah Willard Gibbs Prize for outstanding research and scholarship in Physics, Yale University

Greg
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:40 pm

“2007 Contributed (with other IPCC report authors) to the award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize”

and what has a Nobel Peace Prize got to do with “science” ?

In fact what has any of the past y2k got to do with science ?

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:44 pm

Mark,

To be a scientist, you have to practice the scientific method, which Mann has never done.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:47 pm

Greg, don’t ask me, ask the Commission that awards the prize. Start here: https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:48 pm

LOL @ Gabro.
..
Hand waving is cute, but can you prove your assertions with real data?

Bryan A
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:48 pm

At lest his parents practiced the Rhythm Method (didn’t work though)

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Michael,

Of course I can. Mann makes up fake “data” and uses tricks to hide real “data”, so he’s not a scientist.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:50 pm

Bryan A, if you have a point to make could you please make it?

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:50 pm

Nor is stating a fact “hand waving”.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:52 pm

Gabro, more hand waving.

Now, please provide us with something to back up your assertions.

(and please dispense with references to stolen emails taken out of context)

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Michael,

Are you really such a noob that you don’t know all Mann’s errors (to put it politely), or are you just trying to waste everyone’s time?

Aside from his statistical “analysis” so bad that he’s either a total ignoramus or intentional liar, there is “hiding the decline” by covering up the termination of one tree ring graph line behind “spaghetti”, and his persistence in using Tiljander’s data upside down. To name but a few of his egregious incompetencies, tricks and lies

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/22/manns-inverted-tiljander-data-survives-another-round-of-peer-review/

Are you really this unfamiliar with elementary “climate science”? Mann is a ho@x, sc@mmer and charlat@n, not a scientist.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 4:58 pm

Gabro, Mann is still on the payroll at Penn State.
None of his work has been retracted.
None of the awards and honors he’s received have been rescinded.
….
and you claim he “not a scientist”

LOL

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:00 pm

LOL @ Gabro

Provides a link to this site as “evidence.”

Gabro, you do realize that a blog on news and commentary is not how “science” is done right?

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:07 pm

Gabro, I’m familiar enough with climate science to know that when someone’s work is replicated by their peers, with different measures, data and proceedures. to produce results that are show no differences, that calling them “ho@x, sc@mmer and charlat@n” makes you look like a fool.

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:16 pm

“Michael Mann has yet to produce any science at all.”

How true that is.

Propaganda pap for his cultist followers like mark’s johnson to slap up in gleeful gullibility.

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:17 pm

Michael,

Read the link. It shows that Tiljander himself has told Mann that he’s using his data upside down.

There are numerous links, if you really find that one, with all its citations, unacceptable for some reason. You just can’t handle the truth.

Here’s some more truth you won’t be able to handle:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/30/more-yamal-tree-ring-temperature-data-this-data-is-flat-as-roadkill/

Penn State’s own president said why he’s still employed there. It’s because he gets grants. The whole process is corrupt.

Mann hasn’t been required to retract his packs of lies because the system is broken. He has no answer for the McIntyre’s savaging of his statistical crimes.

If Mann thought he could beat Steyn in court, he would have gone to trial by now. But he knows he can’t. Even a jury without a single scientist on it can see what “Mike’s Nature trick” was “to hide the decline”.

He’s a shame to the profession of scientist. He and his ilk have damaged science for decades and are coming close to destroying it.

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Mark S Johnson October 19, 2017 at 5:07 pm

Show me where you imagine that Mann’s work has been replicated by others, ie real peers, not pals.

You won’t because you can’t.

Latitude
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Hockey stick…Mann’s nature trick…hiding the decline…splicing two different data sets

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 5:19 pm

Just think, little johnson, you will now be able to do something worthwhile to support your hero.

Buy 10,000 tubes of his paste…… and use it to clean all orifices.

Give it your friends and pressies etc.

GO FOR IT !!!

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:27 pm

AndyG55: “How true that is.” …..yet Andy provides no evidence
.
Gabro: “Read the link” ….. When you provide me with a link to a peer reviewed study in a reputable science journal that shows Mann’s work to be in error……instead of a link to a “news and commentary” site I’ll follow it.
..
Gabro: If you need to learn about all the studies that have replicated Mann’s work, go here: http://environmentalforest.blogspot.ca/2013/10/enough-hockey-sticks-for-team.html

Latitude:….taking the contents of emails out of context proves you don’t have a clue.
….
AndyG55: Hero?…….nope, but if you can dispute his work, “GO FOR IT !!!”

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:40 pm

Your RABID belief in the anti-science of Mickey Mann is quite HILARIOUS.

His propaganda and statistical NONSENSE has been ripped apart MANY times.

Do try to keep up with REALITY, if you can.

Have you got a getaway car ready for him as he continues to RUN and HIDE from Tim Ball and Mark Stein ? 🙂

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:49 pm

LOL @ AndyG55

1) Mark Steyn (spelt correctly as you seem to be unable to do) is not a scientist.
..
2) Tim Ball doesn’t have half the “Honors and Awards” Mann has (see above)

Bryan A
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:51 pm

Mark S Johnson

October 19, 2017 at 4:50 pm

Bryan A, if you have a point to make could you please make it?

I did, perhaps it was so far over your head you couldn’t understand it?

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:52 pm

AndyG55 says: “His propaganda and statistical NONSENSE has been ripped apart MANY times.”
..
Link and/or citation please……

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:54 pm

Love that list , johnson.

Seem the only thing Mann is capable of is SUCKING-UP to his far-leftist ant-science pals.

Precious little science in that lot, wouldn’t you agree…

(if you even the most basic idea what real science was.. which you very obviously DON’T)

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:54 pm

Many awards for YAPPING MINDLESSLY.

No wonder he is your hero. 🙂

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:55 pm

Bryan A posted: “At lest his parents practiced the Rhythm Method ”

LOL…

Got a citation for that statement?

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:57 pm

Mann is RUNNING and HIDING. ( keep that car engine running for him , johnson.)

He CANNOT face “discovery” of his statistical and scientific malfeasance.

So funny to watch. ! 🙂

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:57 pm

Again AndyG55 fails to provide a citation and/or link

ATheoK
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:57 pm

“Mark S Johnson October 19, 2017 at 4:31 pm
AWARDS AND HONORS:”

Sure isn’t much there for science.

It also means, you think that people have forgotten the “quid pro quo” manniacal engaged in?
All documented in the climategate papers.

Just as manniacal engages in dubious mathematics, bad statistics, bullied journalists, engaged in racketeering against editors, vilifies critics, slanders real scientists, etc.
Manniacal also engages in swapping nominations and award honors with “climate team” buddies.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 6:59 pm

Everybody here bashes Mann, yet nobody can provide definitive proof that shows his work to not be accurate. .

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:00 pm

Really johnson, your RABID defense of the scientific junk that Mann represents, really does mark your low level of scientific comprehension. (as highlighted in many other threads)

Please keep up the clown act 🙂

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:03 pm

LOL @ ATheoK “All documented in the climategate papers.”

Please, please, please provide me with a link to a scientific study that encompasses the stolen emails that comprise “climategate”
..
LOL
..
LOL

LOL

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:05 pm

He did one thing and has spent two decades trying to shore it up. No one seems to take him down with the Pause. He published it in 1998, the second year of the 18 yr Pause, which means that the hockey stuck was still wet when it turned and went flat. It should have had its name changed to the scythe.

http://img-new.cgtrader.com/items/20612/combat_scythe_3d_model_fbx_obj_max_604e35e9-f9e5-4b9c-a249-c5f0d51458b0.jpg

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:06 pm

AndyG55 , please provide me with a link to the scientific study, or any citation that proves Mann’s work is: scientific junk.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:10 pm

Gary Pearse: your picture does not prove Mann’s work is bad. Now, can you please provide us with the scientific study that shows his work to be wrong.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:12 pm

This site is hilarious. Everyone commenting here treats Mann as the bogeyman, and nobody offers any scientific evidence that any of his work is incorrect.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:18 pm

Oh, and let us all not forget that links to blog posts do not comprise “scientific evidence”

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:34 pm

Mark (forgive me if I’ve called you Michael before, as I might have done),

We’ve provided you with example after example of Mann’s antiscientific activism.

That you keep ignoring these facts reflects badly upon you, not us.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:40 pm

Gabro posts: “example after example of Mann’s antiscientific activism.”

His “activism” is not science. Please provide us with an example of SCIENCE that shows us all that his prior work is in error.

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:41 pm

Mark,

So you’re still afraid to read the blog link I gave you?

No one but no one disputes the fact that Mann has never yet acknowledged that he turned Tiljander’s data on its head. Your attempt to divert from this shameful fact only shows that you really don’t care about reality. Only the false CACA narrative.

drednicolson
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:41 pm

Johnson’s arguing from invincible ignorance was entertaining at first. Now it’s just boring.

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:42 pm

Mark S Johnson October 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm

I’ve given you example after example which shows that Mann’s “work” is not only in error, but intentionally so.

That you can’t or won’t acknowledge reality in this regard tells everyone here all we need to know about you.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:46 pm

Mark SJ there is no point in supplying you with links to the easy deconstruction of Mann’s HS by statisticians. First, you are always asking for proof you aren’t trained to understand and time in sincerely trying to educate you on such issues is wasted.

Do you believe there was a Medieval Warm Period and a Little Ice Age? If like Mann you don’t, there is nothing useful to be said. His homemade statistical manipulations were shown to give a hockey stick to random white noise. Disclosure :I studied paleoclimate (but history would do to take this down, too).

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:51 pm

Gabro posts: ” I’ve given you example after example”

You’ve provided two links to this site. Let me remind you that this site is for news and commentary. Now, please provide me with a link to a SCIENTIFIC paper, published in a reputable journal that shows Mann’s work to be incorrect.
..
Thank you in advance.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 7:58 pm

Gary Pearse posts: ” His homemade statistical manipulations ”

Mann used PCA (Principal Component Analysis) in his study. PCA was invented in 1901, so how can you claim it was “homemade” ??????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:11 pm

Mark S Johnson October 19, 2017 at 7:51 pm

Do you seriously suppose that links from this site don’t reflect reality?

Please read them. The first shows that the scientists himself whose data Mann has raped called BS on the charlatan’s abuse of them.

The second shows what an obviously shameful liar he is, or statistical ignoramus.

The fact that you can’t be bothered to read the citations shows that you know where the truth lies.

https://climateaudit.org/2009/10/14/upside-side-down-mann-and-the-peerreviewedliterature/

Obviously you still have not read the citation to learn that the author of the data castigates Mann for using his research upside down. You are pathetic.

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/12/hockeystick-finally-updated-with-modern-trees-collapses/

Mann dare not correct his upside down data nor look at other trees than the one from Yamal because changing either of those shows causes his whole house of cards to collapse.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:13 pm

drednicolson posts: “Now it’s just boring.” offering all of us nothing more than hand waving, and feet stomping. Please drednicolson, can you give us scientific evidence that Mann’s work is in error?

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:18 pm

LOL # Gabro.

“climateaudit.org” is a blog.

“joannenova.com” is a blog
..
Seriously, do you understand that science is not done in “blogs?”

You are funny.

Please provide me a link to a scientific study proving Mann is wrong.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:23 pm

Gabro asks: “Do you seriously suppose that links from this site don’t reflect reality?”

That is not the issue. This site is for news an commentary, it is not a site where scientific studies are published. I guess you don’t understand how science is done……..scientists don’t publish in blogs…..

Now, do you, or do you not have a link to a scientific study that shows Mann’s work incorrect?

John Smith
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:23 pm

Mann’s use of PCA was quite clever but wholly inappropriate (IMHO). PCA was intended for use on populations of linearly related data but the climate is about as non-linear as you can get. Even worse, he just “happened” to derive the eigenvalues he used from time periods where tree ring data correlates well with global temperature (in other time periods it doesn’t correlate well), thus guaranteeing a high weighting for tree ring data in the result. As most people know, tree ring data often correlates extremely poorly with temperature because there are a great many important factors that determine tree growth other than temperature (amount of rainfall, rainfall pattern over time, disease, hours of sunshine, etc)

I believe other scientists have replicated his results based on his assumptions, which merely means that he applied his method correctly – not that his method was in any sense correct or useful.

Gabro
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:32 pm

Mark,

Either you’re a troll or intensely stupid and profoundly ignorant.

The blogs to which I linked show that the scientist who gathered the data which the criminal Mann stood on its head said that he abused his data.

Any rational commenter would accept that that means that Mann is an inveterate liar.

Blogs are an acceptable medium by which scientists communicate among themselves and with the public.

Tilljander says that Mann raped his data. On whose side are you, the scientist who gathered the data, or the charlatan who intentionally stood it on its head and phouqued it in the a$$?

Rhetorical question.

Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 8:46 pm

Gabro posts: “Either you’re a troll or intensely stupid and profoundly ignorant.”

How come you are unable to post a link to, or a citation of a scientific study that shows Mann’s results erroneous? You know full well that blog posts don’t cut it in the world of science.

Gabro posts: “Blogs are an acceptable medium by which scientists communicate among themselves ”

So is email.
..
But, when a scientist wants his work to be scrutinized, he publishes it in a reputable scientific journal. So, again, I ask you please, to post a link to a scientific study in a reputable scientific journal that discredits Mann.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 9:51 pm

I’d be interested to find out how many awards and scientific honors were awarded to Trofim Lysenko, too.

drednicolson
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 10:40 pm

Rule 1: Constantly state that there’s no [Evidence] against your position.
Rule 2: When [Evidence] is presented against your position, use an [Excuse] to dismiss it and see Rule 1.

Arguing from invincible ignorance in a nutshell. I can even predict the chain of excuses.

Excuse A: It’s not in a science journal.
Excuse B: If in a science journal, it’s not in a reputable science journal.
Excuse C: If in a reputable science journal, said journal is no longer reputable.

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 11:06 pm

“Everyone commenting here treats Mann as the bogeyman,”

No mark’s johnson.

Mann is a yappy desperate non-entity.

Only got a “name” for himself by massive mistreatment of data, and massive statistical malfeasance.

Not long now until he HAS to face the music and front up in court…

…. and is FORCED to bring his fräúdulent propaganda crap and scientific nonsense to the light of day.

That will be GREAT FUN to watch ! 🙂

AndyG55
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 19, 2017 11:38 pm

Mark’s johnson seems to think that if it isn’t published in peer review journal, its not science.

Conclusion…….

Mark’s johnson has basically zero comprehension of the purpose of peer review.

Mark’s johnson has never been anywhere near anything remotely to do with science.

MarkW
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 20, 2017 6:17 am

Even the Nobel committee has stated that Mann has never won a Nobel.

MarkW
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 20, 2017 6:17 am

johnson’s only goal is to distract and irritate.
Ignore the troll.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 20, 2017 9:36 am

Mark S. Johnson, awards and honors are not science. They merely reflect someone’s opinion.

But you didn’t know that, did you.

None of Mann’s so-called proxy work qualifies as science. It’s pseudo-science based in no physics at all. He merely uses statistical methods to elevate physically ambiguous time series into the recent temperature measurement record.

So does everyone else in that benighted field. None of them are doing science. The whole field is a physically meaningless enterprise.

His climate model work isn’t science either. Climate models are predictively useless and unfalsifiable. Also see my video presentation, available here.

Climate models: unpredictive and unfalsifiable. You know what that means, don’t you Mark S. Johnson. But let me spell it out for you: climate models are a scientific crock.

That pretty much covers Michael Mann’s entire professional record. He’s never done science. He’s not a scientist. None of his garbage output qualifies as science.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 20, 2017 9:47 am

McIntyre and McKitrick 2003 published in Energy & Environment showing Michael Mann’s hockey stick is a (fabricated) crock.

McIntyre and McKitrick 2005 (pdf) published in Geophysical Research Letters showing Michael Mann’s hockey stick is a (fabricated) crock.

McIntyre and McKitrick 2005 (pdf) published in Energy & Environment, showing Michael Mann’s hockey stick is a (fabricated) crock.

DCA
Reply to  Pat Frank
October 20, 2017 11:44 am

Mark Johnson says:
“Seriously, do you understand that science is not done in “blogs?””

He then posts a blog link from Jim Milks who is none other than an “Ecologist and environmental scientist” (left wing activist prof) who only rates average from his students.

Mark will obviously say: “but but but look at all the science papers he posts”

I read the abstracts of first 20 papers Milks sites and found the following.
Several had Mann as the main author is co-author or were done by his co-authors in MBH 98.
Several of the links were not found. Could it be that they were retracted?
Several only covered only 250-500 years after MWP and starting during the LIA.
Several showed the MWP which contradicted MBH 98 .
Some used the same data and same methods and were not independent.

Mark goes on to say:

“But, when a scientist wants his work to be scrutinized, he publishes it in a reputable scientific journal. So, again, I ask you please, to post a link to a scientific study in a reputable scientific journal that discredits Mann.”

I would post several links but I see they’ve already been posted.

The only science Mark sites is from an obscure blog with very few commenters who appear to be his students. The only one to challenge him claims to be paleogeneticist and Milks calls him ignorant and a d___er and nothing substantiable.

What Mark and Milks ignore about MBH98 is that Mann tried to erased the MWP to claim current unprecedented warmth which very few of the papers Milks sites support. There were no independent papers supporting Mann’s claim and the independent ones didn’t even cover the MWP period. The very few scientists to really “scrutinize” Mann’s work refuted MBH 98.

I’ve come across these alarmist bloggers who baiscally say, “unless you refute all of the AGW science, it’s all valid” and later say, “all you need to refute a AGW sceptic is refute even one claim the sceptic makes”.

I wonder if Mark is one of Milks students sucking up to Milks to get a good grade or whatever.

lee
Reply to  Eric Simpson
October 19, 2017 11:57 pm

Mark S Johnson. Re blogs

SKS is a blog.
Desmogblog is a blog. 😉

AndyG55
Reply to  lee
October 20, 2017 12:55 am

Both are far-left climate scâmmer sewers.

Home to fetid borg-type creatures,

Where mark’s johnson “feels” right at home

Gary Pearse
Reply to  lee
October 20, 2017 5:26 am

Mark S does nothing to hide his memorization of Alinsky’s Rules for radicals. Empty headed parrot. You ask him a question and he dodges it.

jolan
October 19, 2017 1:57 pm

Go on then Michael give us a smile. After all you are promoting toothpaste!

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  jolan
October 19, 2017 9:56 pm

Mark S Johnson ==> October 19, 2017, starting at 6:52 pm, said innumerable times:

Link and/or citation please……
Got a citation for that statement?
Again AndyG55 fails to provide a citation and/or link
Everybody here bashes Mann, yet nobody can provide definitive proof that shows his work to not be accurate.
Now, can you please provide us with the scientific study that shows his work to be wrong.
Now, please provide me with a link to a SCIENTIFIC paper, published in a reputable journal that shows Mann’s work to be incorrect.
Please drednicolson, can you give us scientific evidence that Mann’s work is in error?
Please provide me a link to a scientific study proving Mann is wrong.
Now, do you, or do you not have a link to a scientific study that shows Mann’s work incorrect?
This site is hilarious. Everyone commenting here treats Mann as the bogeyman, and nobody offers any scientific evidence that any of his work is incorrect.

Here you go dick* :

McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). “Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series”. Energy & Environment. 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). “The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications”. Energy & Environment. 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (February 2005). “Hockey Sticks, principal components, and spurious significance” (PDF). Geophysical Research Letters. 32 (3): L03710. Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). “Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions”. PNAS. 106 (6): E10. Bibcode:2009PNAS..106…10M. PMC 2647809 . PMID 19188613. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1260/095830503322793632

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1260/0958305053516226

https://web.archive.org/web/20070412094238/http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcintyre.grl.2005.pdf

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/6/E10.full

*dick
noun
johnson
mann’s penis.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
October 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Mark Johnson went silent rather suddenly did he not. Add in Penn State protected a child rapist for years, and did a whitewash inquiry there also. Only when they could no longer hide what they had did they come clean. One would think Mark would not hold the great Penn state up on such a high shelf. Add in Mann allow himself to lose in a court in Canada because he would not allow his data and methods to be exposed to discovery! That should tell Mark volumes but alas that fell on deaf ears of did not penetrate a thick skull.

Hugs
Reply to  jolan
October 20, 2017 11:27 am

Mann never laughs.

Bryan A
October 19, 2017 1:57 pm

Apparently the UH-OH formula it meant to remove those stubborn GROLAR BEARS from between your teeth or something.

Grolar Bears only exist thanks to a slightly warmer Arctic Climate. If you remove too much CO2 from the atmosphere, the Arctic will cool too much for the highly endangered Grolar Bear species to exist, they will go extinct. Do AGWers really want to cause the extinction of a very rare species of Arctic Bear?

rocketscientist
Reply to  Bryan A
October 19, 2017 2:33 pm

meh, about as rare as any mutt.

Greg
Reply to  Bryan A
October 19, 2017 4:42 pm

UH-OH would seems to be hydrated uranium, not sure the FDA will approve that for toothpaste.

Bryan A
Reply to  Greg
October 19, 2017 4:49 pm

But it does make your teeth really shine (at night)

Yirgach
Reply to  Greg
October 19, 2017 7:00 pm

Well lets jut call the Uh-Oh Squad

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Greg
October 20, 2017 4:33 pm

Don’t worry – lead amalgam fillings will shield you.

M Courtney
October 19, 2017 1:57 pm

If Michael Mann didn’t exist Big Oil would invent him.

Bryan A
Reply to  M Courtney
October 19, 2017 2:04 pm

Not so sure about “Big Oil” inventing him but Big Green certainly would need to.
Sounds like Fodder for Josh
Big green ventriloquist with their little Mann Doll

Resourceguy
October 19, 2017 2:02 pm

It’s another distinguished Penn State moment.

Resourceguy
October 19, 2017 2:04 pm

Fight stupid with stupid. Here goes….Calif. of course

http://fortune.com/2017/10/19/popeyes-fried-chicken/

john harmsworth
Reply to  Resourceguy
October 19, 2017 3:34 pm

That gives me a great idea! Fried chicken flavoured toothpaste!

Earthling2
October 19, 2017 2:05 pm

Has Michael Mann gone barking mad? Selling toothpaste no less. And what does that have to do with climate anyway. Maybe this is a good sign that his research grants are drying up and he is out out on the hustings trying to make an honest living for once.

Irritable Bill
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Earthling2…wouldn’t that make you Eve? I think Mann was born mad, and I agree with all you say except that he is attempting an honest living. Everything written on that packet is a lie…! And he is lucky I am not the CEO of Colgate or he would be facing a lawsuit as well.
Grolar Bears? WTFH are they? Ha, ha, seriously though, doesn’t this say it all? We are after all talking about people who claim to believe the world is coming to an end because of….400PPM Co2!!!! In Australia we call disingenuous imbeciles like this; “Fuckwits.” Its kind of catchy, and I’m sure you’ll agree is the perfect descriptor in this case? Perhaps you have some other suggestions? I’d love to hear them.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Irritable Bill
October 19, 2017 3:24 pm

I like the term, Bill. Might be singular in the case of Mann, though.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2017 3:23 pm

I can’t see Mann trying out the honest living thing. He’d be kicked out of the Klimate Klub and off the Hockey Team. He’s nowhere near honest or smart enough to last outside of the protections of academia.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2017 4:31 pm

He’s going to need a new career soon anyway.

MarkW
Reply to  Earthling2
October 20, 2017 6:23 am

Gotta find some way to pay for that law suit.

Bruce Cobb
October 19, 2017 2:06 pm

I trust that it’s carbon-free toothpaste. Oh, and it’s bated breath. Easy mistake to make.

Editor
Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 19, 2017 2:46 pm

But if you feed the growler bears with Mann’s last baited breath, they won’t be hungry any more!

Greg
Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 19, 2017 4:45 pm

No baited breath is what you get when you have bits of meat stuck between your teeth. So called because it attracts bears.

lee
Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 19, 2017 11:59 pm

Too much garlic can give you “baited” breath.

ATheoK
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 19, 2017 7:39 pm

“Bruce Cobb October 19, 2017 at 2:06 pm
I trust that it’s carbon-free toothpaste. Oh, and it’s bated breath. Easy mistake to make.”

That is extremely doubtful.

From the grizzly side of the parent toothpaste:
http://homesteadingontheinternet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/toothpaste_ingredients.jpg
Sodium Carbonate = NaHCO&#8323 (ground limestone)
Glycerin = C&#8323H&#8328O&#8323
Sodium saccharin = C&#8327H&#8324NNaO&#8323S
Cellulose gum = Carboxymethyl cellulose = possibly C&#8328H&#8321&#8326NaO&#8328?
Sodium Fluoride with Triclosan = C&#8321&#8322H&#8327C&#832l&#8323FNaO&#8322
Sodium dodecyl sulfate = Sodium lauryl sulfate = C&#8321&#8322H&#8322&#8325NaO&#8324S

ATheoK
Reply to  ATheoK
October 19, 2017 7:42 pm

My mistake, missed the “;”

Should be:

From the grizzly side of the parent toothpaste:
http://homesteadingontheinternet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/toothpaste_ingredients.jpg
Sodium Carbonate = NaHCO₃ (ground limestone)
Glycerin = C₃H₈O₃
Sodium saccharin = C₇H₄NNaO₃S
Cellulose gum = Carboxymethyl cellulose = possibly C₈H₁₆NaO₈?
Sodium Fluoride with Triclosan = C₁₂H₇C&#832l;₃FNaO₂
Sodium dodecyl sulfate = Sodium lauryl sulfate = C₁₂H₂₅NaO₄S

AndyG55
Reply to  ATheoK
October 20, 2017 12:59 am

And the cardboard box, manufactured using CO2 releasing energy,

and the plastic in the tube.. from petroleum by-produces

Mann, that guy sure is a HYPOCRITE !

I wonder what SUV he drives?

ATheoK
Reply to  ATheoK
October 20, 2017 5:18 am

“AndyG55 October 20, 2017 at 12:59 am
And the cardboard box, manufactured using CO2 releasing energy…”

Aye, AndyG55!

To add to your observation(s):
• The inks used, the ink carrier liquid which is likely petroleum based,
• Mechanized production for printing, folding, gluing and filling the box with the tube,
• Fossil fuel transportation to deliver the toothpaste,
etc etc.

Reply to  ATheoK
October 20, 2017 6:00 am

Good point ATheoK. Carbonless products are rare, but perhaps it’s repacked silicone caulking.

http://www.sashco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/LXL-Squeeze-White1.jpg

And there will be a market for something like this
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ATheoK
Reply to  ATheoK
October 20, 2017 3:40 pm

“jaakkokateenkorva October 20, 2017 at 6:00 am
Good point ATheoK. Carbonless products are rare, but perhaps it’s repacked silicone caulking.”

Yuck! Makes my mouth cringe, just thinking about it.

“jaakkokateenkorva October 20, 2017 at 6:00 am
And there will be a market for something like this”

A friend of mine that worked at the same USS Steel plant that I did, only in a different department (section of the mill).

A universal feature throughout the plant was that supervisors who did not immediately need laborers, us peons, would assign the extras sweeping duties.
One thing about steel plants is that a lot of iron ore settled everywhere. A pan full of iron ore is hefty dust.

Anyway, that friend of mine drew a picture on a suggestion form illustrating the benefits of a chin cup on the end of brooms. So, that workers would always appear to be working, even when asleep.

Another co-worker took his suggestion and stuffed into the suggestion box.
Which indirectly identifies another steel mill quirk; i.e. nothing in the mill was made of alternate materials, unless absolutely necessary. e.g. wood, aluminum…
Where this leads is that the suggestion box was plate steel with a heavy padlock.

A couple of weeks pass until the department’s superintendent returns from a meeting at HQ. Livid is not quite descriptive enough.
Another problem was that my friend couldn’t help but draw silly pictures all over the place. Everyone in that section of the plant knew his work; including the superintendent.
My friend worked in the rolling mill, where glowing ingots of steel are rolled into sheets and thicker. Those ingots are sprayed with a mixture of water and oil to keep ingots rolling along and the rollers cool.

Eventually burned oil and iron oxidation products falls into a pit where laborers descend and shovel out the goop.
My friend spent quite a few weeks assigned to shoveling black smelly tenacious goo underneath dripping rollers.

Somehow, he never learned to stop drawing silly pictures. It was a good chin cup design. 🙂

Leigh
October 19, 2017 2:08 pm
October 19, 2017 2:17 pm

No amount of toothpaste will wash off bad odour of the fibs emanated from the many of the CAGW’s loud mouths.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  vukcevic
October 19, 2017 2:35 pm

I think the idea is that the rot in the teeth of the evidence for CAGW is such that a ‘whitening’ is needed. I think the idea of climate toothpaste is nuts – enough to leave me foaming at the mouth.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 19, 2017 3:35 pm

Why would the Alarmists promote toothpaste? according to them we’ll all be fried and drowned before tooth decay gets us.

October 19, 2017 2:26 pm

‘TOOT’paste? How appropriate.

October 19, 2017 2:28 pm

He should get Monica Lewinski to endorse his toothpaste.

Ilma
October 19, 2017 2:32 pm

Shouldn’t it be “We await those with bad breath!” 🙂

The Great Walrus
October 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Mann needs to brush up on his climate science.

Frederic
October 19, 2017 2:35 pm

The climateers need more a sanitizer than a toothpaste.

Brian R
October 19, 2017 2:38 pm

“Grolar Bears”. Can nobody proof read any more. That’s as bad as the “no regerts” tattoos you see on line.

Logoswrench
October 19, 2017 2:45 pm

I guess the “Douche” is too obvious a product.

Steve Zell
October 19, 2017 2:48 pm

97% of dentists agree, it’s guaranteed to melt your teeth faster than an ice floe in June.

October 19, 2017 2:55 pm

http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Piglet.jpg
Amazing Climate Toothpaste Transformation Effect.

Bryan A
Reply to  vukcevic
October 19, 2017 4:55 pm

I don’t see any difference

Reply to  Bryan A
October 20, 2017 1:34 am

telling porkies It comes so naturally naturally..ally..ally
spreads my bad breath wide and far away… way…way
Climate toothpaste is for me every night and day ..ay …ay

drednicolson
Reply to  vukcevic
October 19, 2017 7:53 pm

Oh, de-de-de-denier!

Mark Luhman
Reply to  vukcevic
October 19, 2017 10:23 pm

You are showing the wrong side of the pig.

The Reverend Badger
October 19, 2017 2:58 pm

They saw our Q-Lav and realized a response was needed.

What will the future bring?

Instant Snowflake.http://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1lweoSFXXXXcKXpXX760XFXXXC/Window-decoration-by-snowflake-aerosol-spray.png_350x350.png

HotScot
October 19, 2017 3:06 pm

Haemorrhoid cream.

His arse just resembles a face.

Like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

TonyL
October 19, 2017 3:11 pm

I remain unconvinced. The ad copy mentions that it is toothpaste just once, and in the fine print. No mention on the product itself.
It could be anything. Lots of medications are sold in that tube form. For example, topical lotions for skin conditions like ringworm and scabies. Another common one is a product for hemorrhoids.
We hope the manufacturer did not make any mistakes.

Nigel S
Reply to  TonyL
October 19, 2017 3:33 pm

Supermodels swear by Preparation H hemorrhoid cream under the eyes to prevent puffiness and reduce dark circles apparently!

Reply to  Nigel S
October 19, 2017 4:03 pm

They also eat sardines to keep their skin smooth…

RAH
Reply to  Nigel S
October 19, 2017 4:19 pm

This story makes it clear that the old saw about truth being stranger than fiction is still correct.

Mark
Reply to  Nigel S
October 20, 2017 5:55 pm

My mother-in-law told me that she used Preparation H for that. I told her that I had half a tube that she could have if she wanted it. She didn’t.

john harmsworth
October 19, 2017 3:19 pm

After applying his famous statistical algorithms, he put some on his head to cure baldness. A later inspection revealed that he was still bald and had a massive cavity between his ears!
But it’s worse than we thought! The cavity is full of hot air and he’s been caught exhaling CO2!!!

Nigel S
October 19, 2017 3:26 pm

Toothpaste can be a political minefield. Couldn’t believe what I was seeing in Thailand in 1980. Came home with a tube to silence unbelievers.

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/collections/recent/darkie_toothpaste.aspx

John M
October 19, 2017 3:27 pm

Well, if you think about it, it kinda sorta makes sense.

You do need an abrasive to make a good toothpaste.

On second thought, you really need a mild abrasive.

Oh well.

R. Shearer
October 19, 2017 3:32 pm

Is it an empty package?

Greg
Reply to  R. Shearer
October 19, 2017 4:50 pm

If it was empty it would be called Climatology , not Climate.

Latitude
October 19, 2017 4:00 pm

I believe they are going to have a slight problem….

http://twogreenleaves.org/images/climatetpaste2.png
comment image?w=1200

AndyG55
Reply to  Latitude
October 19, 2017 5:22 pm

Hopefully another law suit..

…. but this time one that he can’t RUN AWAY from.

LdB
Reply to  Latitude
October 19, 2017 5:59 pm

Wait Social Injustice?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Latitude
October 19, 2017 9:13 pm

Nothing new about a climate “scientist” plagiarising other people’s work.

Hugs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 20, 2017 1:57 am

Unless accepted by Colgate the company. Who knows. Please let us know.

October 19, 2017 4:07 pm

Whiter teeth reflect incoming solar radiation. What’s not to like? The perfect tool to slow down global warming. Smile at the sun.

Gunga Din
October 19, 2017 4:16 pm

“Activist Activator”? “Anti-apathy Stimulant”? “Oh Yes We Can”?
The bottom line for these guys is “Social Justice”, which doesn’t have a damn thing to do with honest science.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 19, 2017 4:36 pm

+97 Saved me the time of typing the same thing.

J Mac
October 19, 2017 4:23 pm

Are you sure that isn’t a hemorrhoid cream tube? Considering the bum displayed in the lead pictures, it could use some….

Neil Jordan
Reply to  J Mac
October 19, 2017 6:59 pm

Yes. Preparation H(illary) for soothing relief:
https://youtu.be/89GfI_e1h_g

Reply to  Neil Jordan
October 19, 2017 9:19 pm

comment image

David Dibbell
October 19, 2017 4:24 pm

Just like climate science, Climate toothpaste needs better models.

Reply to  David Dibbell
October 19, 2017 4:44 pm

LOL

Mike Smith
October 19, 2017 4:30 pm

I wonder what Mikey’s next product endorsement will be. Hair restorer?

clipe
October 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Colclimategate

Bryan A
Reply to  clipe
October 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Coalgate

clipe
Reply to  Bryan A
October 19, 2017 5:00 pm

I like it!

D Marreson
October 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Climate Toothpaste
Guaranteed to turn your teeth green.

High Treason
October 19, 2017 4:59 pm

As a dentist, I can see what a farce it is. Toothpaste has tried and true ingredients(unlike climate assertions)- abrasives (well describes Dr Mann), humectants (hey Michael, water vapour is the chief greenhouse gas), stabilizers (hey Michael, the climate is actually quite stable), preservatives (no, climate action will not preserve the planet) and fluoride to (supposedly) stop the rot (alas, the IPCC could not get any more rotten.)
As toothpaste is the opposite of what Dr Mann is, the hemorrhoid suggestion is very appropriate. Anything that comes from his mouth really should be stuck back up his…..or was that where it actually came from.

Gabro
Reply to  High Treason
October 19, 2017 5:52 pm

Now that be some funny shee-at, dawg!

Writing Observer
Reply to  High Treason
October 20, 2017 12:04 am

Colgate apparently also contains the antibacterial triclosan – so Mann cannot possibly be using it, he’d be dead by now.

Bruce Cobb
October 19, 2017 4:59 pm

What’s in the box? A fold-out picture of a hockey stick?

RAH
October 19, 2017 5:49 pm

Hey this makes sense. After all my first introduction to a “scientific consensus” based on appeal to authority was:

Gandhi
October 19, 2017 5:59 pm

When is Penn State going to fire this fraud? If Michael Mann is really as much of a dolt as he appears to be, he is an absolute embarrassment to the Nittany Nation. He makes academia a laughingstock.

Gabro
Reply to  Gandhi
October 19, 2017 7:38 pm

The Nittany Lions didn’t terminate Joe Paterno’s contract until Nov 2011. two months before he died.

Tolerating Mann’s abuse of data is a no-brainer for an institution which tolerated child sex abuse and those who knew about it but did nothing until practically the bitter end.

joe schmoe
October 19, 2017 6:03 pm

“Dr. Mann is getting behind this woman”

uh …..

WalterF
October 19, 2017 6:12 pm

“What’s up with the weather?”
What’s Up With That?

Gary Pearse
October 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Mann! The end game of the falsified climate crisis is something I’ve been speculating on. I saw it as a chicken-head-cut-off thing with crazy athletic leaps and bounds but never saw this coming. I guess trying to divine the end game antics of the cukoo climate clucks clan is beyond analysis.

Wim Röst
October 19, 2017 7:47 pm

Toothpaste, the ultimate solution: exhaling 40.000 ppm CO2 and still fresh.

David Dibbell
Reply to  Wim Röst
October 20, 2017 6:17 am

Good one. How about this idea? Climate Toothpaste, the carbon-sequestering dentifrice! Brush often, rinse and spit, repeat throughout the day. Converts your exhaled carbon dioxide into harmless dissolved carbonates!

MattS
October 19, 2017 8:41 pm

Am I the only one getting a Rogaine add at the end of the article?

JBom
October 19, 2017 9:19 pm

Mickey will never go toothless for the cause! Sure bet!

Hahahahaha

phaedo
October 19, 2017 9:36 pm

How about toilet paper with the hockey stick printed on each sheet.

October 19, 2017 9:43 pm

Danielle has worked up the courage to reveal Mike what Every-Mann-Must-Have for a More Gratifying Oral Experience. Here’s the tool for left-handed comfort:

http://everymanmusthave.com/wp-content/uploads/Scuba_emmh1.jpg

High Treason
October 19, 2017 9:53 pm

As a dentist, I can see clearly that Dr Mann has been clenching and/ or grinding his teeth at night. The thickened jowls are from muscles being beefed up. I can often tell from 10 feet away that someone is stressed out and grinding (bruxism.) Then I start asking questions about the symptoms and almost always find the headaches and earaches associated with bruxism.
As it is stress mediated, it suggests that Mann has something he is uneasy about-something to hide? Perhaps he knows that he is full of crap and a total fraud? Stressing out that one day his life of lies will be uncovered and the SHTF moment of judgement falls.

Reply to  High Treason
October 20, 2017 5:39 am

High treason, I rather suspect sialadenosis.

Robert Swan
October 19, 2017 9:57 pm

I see the ring of confidence is on the box. I guess the word “tricksters” is implied.

October 19, 2017 10:55 pm

Toothpaste?
Surely eyewash would be more apt!

BCBill
October 19, 2017 11:01 pm

S. Johnson: As somebody who has a reasonable understanding of the scientific method, it seems to me that things which MM did were beyond the pale. His hockey stick graph seemed to me to be outside any scientific norms. McKitrick and McIntyre showed in a clear and understandable way how Mann’s Yamal math was in error. There are other very convincing critiques of Mann’s work. I don’t know anything about the rationale for any of the many awards which Mann apparently received, but I am thoroughly convinced by McKitricks critique. Citing awards is just another form of appealing to authority and is not a logical rebuttal of well reasoned and peer reviewed critiques. No matter how many awards a person has, I would not trust them if they did not, for example, report when data displayed in a graph is of two dramatically different types.

October 19, 2017 11:45 pm

The effect of Mann’s Uh-Oh formula can be observed in his treemometer, but nothing compares to Jerry Brown’s veto on the essential electric distribution network maintenance, which merit the warning labels. A distinguished effort to backfire the Enough Already!

Schrodinger's Cat
October 20, 2017 2:53 am

I did laugh at Anthony’s final sentence which I suspect was unintentional.

At least it will be fresh bated breath.

Non Nomen
October 20, 2017 3:37 am

HOKKO SHTIKKO -the tar-based antitranspirant with genuine feathers. No more sweaty armpits when caught telling lies.

Jeff B.
October 20, 2017 4:44 am

We’re all gonna die because of the rapidly warming planet! But at least my teeth will be bright white!

David
October 20, 2017 4:51 am

TRUE STORY….

As a young engineer, I was Works Engineer for a UK medicines operation that produced, amongst other products, various toothpaste brands, and Preparation H (it was an American company)..
As you can probably appreciate, all empty tubes in the UK were produced by the same company (UMP Venesta) – and after a quick check at Good Inwards that they say (for example) ‘Preparation H medium’ on the shipping box they would be brought straight to the packaging line to be filled with the product..
Imagine our surprise, therefore, when the filling line was brought to an abrupt halt at the realisation that Preparation H was being filled into…… Evostik tubes….
Much hilarity ensued at the visualisation of Evostik being filled into Preparation H tubes……!

paqyfelyc
October 20, 2017 5:11 am

Now we know that Big Mouth funds climate activism (or is it the other way round?)

Tim
October 20, 2017 5:58 am

Endorsed by 97% of …….. (Enter appropriate ‘experts on grants’ here)

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Tim
October 20, 2017 6:05 am

Climouth experts

Sheri
October 20, 2017 6:48 am

I’d love to hawk his product—with my dentures out and big, toothless smile!

Caligula Jones
October 20, 2017 7:25 am

As I believe George Carlin said, “shouldn’t it be called tooth soap?”

mikewaite
October 20, 2017 8:19 am

After Mr Johnson’s paean of praise for Prof Mann it seems awfully impertinent of me to mention the image that comes to mind whenever the good professor’s name is invoked.
You see , after I learned here about Mann’s splicing of modern tree ring data to paleoclimate records , my irreverent mind immediately flashes to Piltdown Man. That, you recall, was a fraudulent fossil created by splicing a modern human skull onto an ape jaw . The fraud was not uncovered for 40 years and in the meantime was accepted as a real, if puzzling , human ancestor fossil by people as eminent as Sir Arthur Keith.
There was once an exhibit in the ditch where the “fossil” was discovered in 1912 , but no longer ( I checked) , but a pub nearby in Sussex is still called “Piltdown Man” I believe .

Reed Coray
October 20, 2017 9:42 am

[snip – a bit much – mod]

Joel Snider
October 20, 2017 12:13 pm

Running for city-council position.

Naturally.

Michael Jankowski
October 20, 2017 3:01 pm

Until I heard about a lawsuit, cease-and-desist order, or something comparable…bye-bye Colgate Palmolive products.

But did you know that climate change is going to impact Colgate toothpaste? http://mitsloan.mit.edu/actionlearning/media/documents/s-lab-projects/Colgate-Poster-2016.pdf

Amber
October 20, 2017 9:50 pm

Toothpaste salesmann looks good on him and there is nothing wrong with a career refresh .
Given the elapsed time since the hockey stick one would think an update would have been produced
by now . People will always buy toothpaste but oh so scary global warming has run it’s course .

Vicus
October 21, 2017 7:49 am

Climostat

Monistat to soothe away the CAGW

Non Nomen
October 21, 2017 11:09 pm

What else will we learn about his personal hygiene? What does he use when reminded of sports, esp. Hockey? He must be sweating cobs thinking about his hidden collection of odd numbers I do not dare to call data. Is there anything at all to disguise that rancid odour of Angst?

Amber
October 21, 2017 11:15 pm

There is no way that cute little pig pictured should be compared to the hockey stick graphic artist .

Non Nomen
Reply to  Amber
October 21, 2017 11:41 pm

Pig? Do you mean Sus scrofus? Aren’t these animals considered unclean in the religious sphere he allegedly belongs to?

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