By Roger Roots, J.D., Ph.D., Founder, Lysander Spooner University
www.lysanderspooneruniversity.com
Glacier National Park (GNP) straddles the continental divide along Montana’s border with Canada. Ever since Al Gore’s 2006 film, “An Inconvenient Truth,” the Park has been seen as ground zero in the international battle over manmade global warming. Almost every major figure promoting apocalyptic-manmade-global-warming-by-CO2 hysteria has made a publicized visit to the Park.
Today’s visitors to GNP are met with a steady stream of climate-change messaging. Official Park literature claims that all glaciers in GNP are predicted to melt away by the year 2030. (Some signs even tell visitors that the glaciers may be gone by 2020.)
A recurring trick by climate hysterics is to show an old photograph of one of GNP’s glaciers next to a more recent photo of the same glacier showing a massive decrease in size. Often the pictures do not precisely specify what calendar dates the photos were taken on. This is significant because the melting season is quite short and rapid, and an image from August can be starkly different from an image from just weeks earlier.
The average date of first freeze in East Glacier, Montana is September 13th. It is only then that one can assess whether the glaciers are getting bigger or smaller than in previous years.
In September 2015, Lysander Spooner University launched an annual research project aimed at visiting GNP’s glaciers every year at their lowest points. This year a small group of us opted to hike to the popular Grinnell Glacier and take a few snapshots on September 16. We hiked the 5.5 miles from the Many Glacier Hotel and arrived at glacier’s edge late in the afternoon.
The Grinnell is perhaps the most iconic of two dozen named glaciers in the Park. Untold thousands of people have hiked to it. Millions more have been exposed to government imagery of the Glacier melting away. The nearby Many Glacier Hotel features pictures on its walls showing the Grinnell’s decline from the 1880s to 2008. Numerous blog posts and magazine feature stories have also addressed this theme.
Upon our return to the Hotel after visiting the Glacier, we noticed that our brand-new photos appear to show that the Grinnell Glacier has grown slightly from the 2008 images that are displayed on the Hotel walls. There has been no reporting of this in any newspaper or broadcast that we know of. (In fact, all news coverage reports the precise opposite.) The smaller Gem Glacier—which is visible from the valley miles below—also appears to be slightly larger than it is shown in 2008 pictures on display.
We did not have enough people this year to trek to other glaciers. However we will return to GNP in September 2018 for more critical glacier research.
Contact Lysander Spooner University President Dr. Roger I. Roots with any questions or comments. [to obtain phone info use contact form] or rogerroots [at] msn.com.
Global Warming!!! We can save Earth from immolation and another Ice Age, devastating global drought and global flooding, freedom and affluence, by doubling the Carbon Tax on Everything, DO IT.
The basic astronomy of our Earth’s axis is the sole determinant of our climate (over time) and there is nothing at all the tiny human ants on the surface can do about it.
Earth’s axial tilt is currently 23.5° degrees and declining.
When Earth reaches between 22.2° & 23.5° there will be another Ice Age that will last 10,000 years and no amount of human activity will prevent it, not even a nuclear war
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/Founders1791/Axis%20of%20Earth%20Sole%20Determinent%20of%20our%20Climate_zpsoz66ykpu.png
shhhh….you make too much sense
there will be another Ice Age that will last 10,000 years
Correction: 100,000 years 🙂
In 2014 the Great Falls Tribune reported a hiatus in glacier retreat at Glacier National Park.
“Healthy snowpack and cooler summers over the past four years have slowed melting of remaining glaciers in Glacier National Park in Montana, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
‘So the glaciers have paused in active retreat,’ said Dan Fagre, a research ecologist with the USGS’ Northern Rocky Mountain Science Center in Bozeman who is stationed at Glacier.”
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2014/06/05/glaciers-glaciers-expected-resume-retreat-pause-melting/10045771/
Now that is a much better article. The same person is being quoted in this article as the one linked by Griff but this time the person gives more info.
For example, they indicated that there was a warm, dry period in the park from 1917 to 1941 that was a double whammy to the glaciers.
Hey Griff, does that fit your narrative?
So what? Point me to climate scientists that say that the only cause of glacier retreat are CO2 emissions.
A few years ago we worked to dispel the myth of the vanishing Cascade Mtn snowpack, now it looks like we need to work on dispelling the myth of the vanishing Glacier National Park snowpack, too. The Olympian reprinted an article from the New York Times which in many places lamented the decline of snowpack due to global warming at Glacier National Park. The article told us the snowpack is shrinking:
“Lately, the snows are not going well. Mountain snowpacks are shrinking. In recent decades, rising winter temperatures have increasingly changed snows to rain. Rising spring temperatures are melting the remaining snow faster.”
But my work shows an INCREASING TREND in spring snowpack in the vicinity of Glacier National Park. These should help to dispel this all too widely held myth. These charts show composited data from all 18 snotel sites near Glacier National Park which have complete data over the 34 years from 1981 to 2014.
April 1 snowpack:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/swe.glaciernp.april.1981-2014.png
May 1 snowpack:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/swe.glaciernp.may.1981-2014.png
June 1 snowpack:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/swe.glaciernp.june.1981-2014.png
Here is what the park road through Glacier NP looked like on June 27, 2011 after the biggest June 1 snowpack in recent memory:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Going-to-the-Sun_Road,_June-27-2011_(5882126346).jpg
These are the 18 snotel sites with elevation in feet shown in the last field:
1,mt,BADGER PASS,307,48.12,-113.02,6900
2,mt,BANFIELD MOUNTAIN,311,48.57,-115.43,5600
3,mt,COPPER BOTTOM,413,47.05,-112.58,5200
4,mt,COPPER CAMP,414,47.07,-112.72,6950
5,mt,EMERY CREEK,469,48.43,-113.93,4350
6,mt,FLATTOP MTN.,482,48.80,-113.85,6300
7,mt,GARVER CREEK,918,48.97,-115.82,4250
8,mt,GRAVE CREEK,500,48.90,-114.75,4300
9,mt,HAND CREEK,510,48.30,-114.83,5035
10,mt,HAWKINS LAKE,516,48.97,-115.95,6450
11,mt,KRAFT CREEK,562,47.42,-113.77,4750
12,mt,MANY GLACIER,613,48.78,-113.67,4900
13,mt,MOUNT LOCKHART,649,47.92,-112.82,6400
14,mt,NOISY BASIN,664,48.15,-113.93,6040
15,mt,PIKE CREEK,693,48.30,-113.32,5930
16,mt,STAHL PEAK,787,48.90,-114.85,6030
17,mt,WALDRON,847,47.92,-112.78,5600
18,mt,WOOD CREEK,876,47.43,-112.80,5960
Good job, Mark. What we really need is data like this.
Mark, can you provide a link?
Here is what the park road through Glacier NP looked like on June 27, 2011 after the biggest June 1 snowpack in recent memory:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Going-to-the-Sun_Road,_June-27-2011_(5882126346).jpg
I’ll try one more time, here is a link to the picture from 27 June 2011:.jpg)
if the glaciers melt doesnt that mean more fresh water to drink, grow crops, and support larger populations?
Yep. Glaciers that don’t melt don’t provide much “water to drink, grow crops, and support larger populations.”
I imagine that Al-Buffoon is really embarrassed by this information.
Glaciers growing!? What an ‘inconvenient’ truth.
So even the park officials admit — maybe accidently — that the glaciers were not there during the Holocene Climate Optimum, reached their peak at the end of the Little Ice Age, and have receded since then well before proclaimed human impacts on climate. And warmists wonder why skeptic arguments are far more persuasive?
When you look at the reports on Glacier National Park by the USGS (1966, 1998, 2005 and 2015) what you will find is that for almost all the major Glaciers they track, almost all the decrease in mass took place prior to 1950. Two thirds of Grinnell and Sperry glaciers were lost before the commonly accepted 1950 time period when manmade CO2 emissions were supposed to start impacting the climate. In fact, the reports indicate directly that the highest recession rates of up to 100 meters/yr took place in the 1920-1940 time frame. That would coincide with some of the warmest years in US history.
This idea that the climate is causing these declines avoids discussing the early part of the 20th century because that was the most impactful for this environment. But that goes against the meme doesn’t it?
Glaciers melt mostly because of ash and dirt on surfice, but not due to an air temperature. Sun warms a dirty or darkened glacier much faster than warmer air. Just remember, snow is basically some kind of mirror and is very sensitive for reflection ratio.
“Official Park literature claims that all glaciers in GNP are predicted to melt away by the year 2030. (Some signs even tell visitors that the glaciers may be gone by 2020.)”
These changes in the official story line occur when deadlines pass without the fanciful results they used to scare us.
I wasn’t paying attention to the weather in Montana in recent years but with certainty, this Summer was a very warm one vs average.
The southwest parts of MT saw one of its warmest Summers in history…….maybe a record at 5-6 degrees F above average(per day). The northwest part of MT, where the Grinnell Glacier is located was 2-3 degrees warmer than average.
You can use the product below to see what temperatures have been like in the US for periods going back to Jan 2016.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/tanal/temp_analyses.php
This was from the heat ridge that set up in the West for much of this past Summer.
Based only on 2017 weather(which was just weather-as it was cool to the east of the ridge into the Midwest/East), it’s hard to imagine that we did not have a near record melt season for this particular year.
The ridge West, trough East pattern that we’ve had for the last several months is one that we see most often during La Nina’s………occurring this Summer well before the Pacific Ocean temperature configuration meets the formal declaration of La Nina.
Whoa, now they’re all gone in 2020? I better book a trip there in 2019 so I can see them again…
Some illustrations I have put together
The Rhône glacier during the second half of the 18th century:
The Jakobshavn Isbræ in Greenland:
Most melting took place under very low CO2 forcing, but notice the huge melting from 2003 to 2007, a time when temperatures were not increasing.
Several points can be made:
– Glacier melting is a post-LIA feature.
– No clear link to CO2
– No linear immediate response to temperature increases. The response appears delayed.
– The decrease in global glaciers goes against Neoglacial trends and it has proceeded beyond what should be expected based on previous trends for this time in the Holocene.
Two non mutually exclusive possibilities:
– Temperatures as high or probably higher than during the MWP.
– CO2 has specifically a stronger effect on the cryosphere.
In both cases an effect of GHGs on global warming is the most likely explanation for the excessive glacier retreat. At this time in the Holocene our glaciers shouldn’t be this short. It is however a good thing that they are, because we have a better climate than we were entitled to.
“Most melting took place under very low CO2 forcing”
Except that GHG’s in no way shape or form ‘force’ the climate system. Only incident energy can force the system which means that the Sun is the ONLY forcing influence that acts on the climate system. If there was no solar forcing and the surface was 0K, would introducing GHS’s to the atmosphere make the surface warmer? The idea that CO2 is a forcing influence is a fantasy created to support the preconceptions behind climate alarmism. The actual effect of incremental CO2 is to change the response of the system, not the forcing arriving at system.
On a per Watt basis, natural warming (and cooling) consequential to actual forcing has its largest effect at the poles. The reason is simple and just the consequence of the T^4 relationship between temperature and emissions. At a temperature of -10C (263K), the resulting emissions are 271.27 W/m^2. In the steady state, the surface emissions are equal to the energy arriving at the surface, so if 1 more W/m^2 enters the surface, the resulting steady state emissions increase to 271.27 W/m^2 which arises consequential to a temperature increase of 0.24 C.
If the starting temperature was 40C (313C), the emissions are 544.2 W/m^2. If one more W/m^2 is arriving at the surface, the new steady state emissions become 545.2 W/m^2 consequential to a temperature increase of only 0.14C which is nearly half as much as when 1 W/m^2 is added to a surface at -10C. This corresponds directly to the immutable 1/T^3 dependence of the sensitivity on the temperature.
The temperature dependency of the sensitivity, which is an unambiguous consequence of the SB Law, is not acknowledged by ‘consensus’ climate science (i.e. the IPCC) and is one of many reasons they are so wrong about the sensitivity. The sensitivity per W/m^2 of incident surface energy is nearly twice as large at -10C than it is at 40C and this same ratio occurs for a 1 W/m^2 of solar forcing at TOA since the energy arriving at the surface is linearly proportional to the energy arriving from the Sun (all else being constant). Many estimates of the sensitivity are based on the behavior below 0C and extrapolated to the planet as a whole, which is unambiguously incorrect since the average temperature of the planet is much higher.
The ice machine was invented decades ago. We don’t need glaciers anymore. : )
Sorry, but this is a rerrible post; extremely short on useful data and science, on a pityful remnant of a glacier (??really, this is a glacier??). Finding one that grows kind of proves the others are not. It only illustrates warming OR lack of snow fall, or the opposite if you want. It takes many many years of data on many many glaciers to say something useful.
This is a poorly documented anecdotal vacation trip, probably used as a tax deduction..
B.Quartero, you didn’t read through the comments which adds a lot to the article and in reply to specious warmist crap that have been posted here.
You also failed to read much of anything because the Spooner group,NEVER made any major science claims at all,they wanted to see for themselves over what is being misleadingly claimed in warmist circles:
The noted:
“A recurring trick by climate hysterics is to show an old photograph of one of GNP’s glaciers next to a more recent photo of the same glacier showing a massive decrease in size. Often the pictures do not precisely specify what calendar dates the photos were taken on. This is significant because the melting season is quite short and rapid, and an image from August can be starkly different from an image from just weeks earlier.”
They stated they wanted to do their own on site observation at the proper time each year:
“In September 2015, Lysander Spooner University launched an annual research project aimed at visiting GNP’s glaciers every year at their lowest points. This year a small group of us opted to hike to the popular Grinnell Glacier and take a few snapshots on September 16. We hiked the 5.5 miles from the Many Glacier Hotel and arrived at glacier’s edge late in the afternoon.”
Your complaint is silly.
His complaint isn’t silly in the slightest.
“In September 2015, Lysander Spooner University launched an annual research project aimed at visiting GNP’s glaciers every year at their lowest points. ”
Taking a few pictures on a day hike is not a research project.
Chris, why do you try hard to be stupid?
You complain about what I write with this, “Taking a few pictures on a day hike is not a research project.”
This is what I wrote to Quartero,that you amazingly failed to see,
“You also failed to read much of anything because the Spooner group,NEVER made any major science claims at all,they wanted to see for themselves over what is being misleadingly claimed in warmist circles:”
The Lysander website stated:
“In September 2015, Lysander Spooner University launched an annual research project aimed at visiting GNP’s glaciers every year at their lowest points. This year a small group of us opted to hike to the popular Grinnell Glacier and take a few snapshots on September 16. We hiked the 5.5 miles from the Many Glacier Hotel and arrived at glacier’s edge late in the afternoon.”
They said it was a “annual research project” Nothing more. It will never be published in a science journal since it is a simple date based observation and photo shoot,that is all it is.
Never said it was a scientific outing at all, you made a Red Herring attempt. Stop with your B.S!
Why do I try to be stupid? So i can attempt to understand your points. But even then, sadly, it’s impossible. You say this is not a scientific outing at all – even though it is called research and that was the very point of the trip. You’re going around in ridiculous semantic circles to defend a completely lightweight and irrelevant day trip.
As opposed to writing a program which is way to simple to represent the climate and pretending that it does.
Chris gets ever stupider as time goes on,he writes as if the little warmist troll thinks that I have high regards for the tiny group that will never materially add to the science of the region,which I have stated already for this clod.
He writes,
“Why do I try to be stupid? So i can attempt to understand your points. But even then, sadly, it’s impossible. You say this is not a scientific outing at all – even though it is called research and that was the very point of the trip. You’re going around in ridiculous semantic circles to defend a completely lightweight and irrelevant day trip.”
I wrote this that he whines over,
“They said it was a “annual research project” Nothing more. It will never be published in a science journal since it is a simple date based observation and photo shoot,that is all it is.
Never said it was a scientific outing at all, you made a Red Herring attempt. Stop with your B.S!”
you are trolling here since never have I endorsed the trip at any time,stated that it will never add to the science of the region,never said it was a scientific trip either.
THEY claim it is a research project, I said it is not going to add to the science of the region.
You have no ability to separate what they said, to what I said about their trip.
This is my very first comment in reply to you,
” Sunsettommy
September 20, 2017 at 9:08 am Edit
Chris, your comment about Roots background, has done NOTHING to address the main point of the article.
“In September 2015, Lysander Spooner University launched an annual research project aimed at visiting GNP’s glaciers every year at their lowest points. This year a small group of us opted to hike to the popular Grinnell Glacier and take a few snapshots on September 16. We hiked the 5.5 miles from the Many Glacier Hotel and arrived at glacier’s edge late in the afternoon.”
That is all they offer,nothing more. They made no science statement at all,just a simple complaint about misleading photos:
“A recurring trick by climate hysterics is to show an old photograph of one of GNP’s glaciers next to a more recent photo of the same glacier showing a massive decrease in size. Often the pictures do not precisely specify what calendar dates the photos were taken on. This is significant because the melting season is quite short and rapid, and an image from August can be starkly different from an image from just weeks earlier.”
Drop your dead in the water qualification fallacy angle,since it is worthless!”
my words in that reply,
“That is all they offer,nothing more. They made no science statement at all,just a simple complaint about misleading photos:”
How old are you anyway,since you write like an idiot.
This post may be a bit weak, but consider the great information to be had when reading the comments. Many posts here at WUWT can be a bit skimpy, but the comments then flesh out much greater detail. It is the comment section that makes WUWT such an outstanding site for reading and learning.
Having been born and raised in Montana, I know for a fact every glacier in GNP is smaller than since I grew up and if you extrapolate over the decades actual scientists have been recording data, his information does not hold light. So…. All you can claim whatever you want to believe but actual data and facts don’t agree with his findings.
Blair, show us HERE, who disputes the melting of the Glaciers at GNP in recent decades.
Meanwhile at the Author made a legitimate complaint,that you seem to have missed:
“A recurring trick by climate hysterics is to show an old photograph of one of GNP’s glaciers next to a more recent photo of the same glacier showing a massive decrease in size. Often the pictures do not precisely specify what calendar dates the photos were taken on. This is significant because the melting season is quite short and rapid, and an image from August can be starkly different from an image from just weeks earlier.”
The Author wanted to see for himself at the MINIMUM date, to develop a more credible base to see how much change is really there.
Can someone please explain (concisely) how the earth has been in a temperature flux (ice ages to hot ages, back and forth) for millennia without human existence, but now it’s all our fault? I just don’t understand, assuming there is global temperature change, how it can be inextricably linked to human interference.
“… how it can be inextricably linked to human interference.”
It can’t when rigorous science is applied. This is why climate science alarmism relies exclusively on pseudo scientific results conforming to a political narrative, rather than actual science conforming to the scientific method and the laws of physics.
On an Alaska cruise park guides will board the ship at Glacier Bay, give the required mantra man melted the glaciers, then leave. Almost robotic.
I just listened to their tripe this last week!
Some things to keep in mind:
1. Glaciers respond to prolonged changes in summer temp and winter snowfall. Changes in these parameters didn’t begin with increased human CO2 emissions (after 1945), they have been going on for thousands of years.
2. You can’t determine anything meaningful by comparing the glacier extent at the end of a prolonged cold period with the extent at the end of a prolonged warm period (like most of the examples used by alarmists).
3. We’ve been emerging from the Little Ice Age for the past several hundred years so we should expect to see overall warming, not limited to post-1945 CO2 emissions. The warming is not linear–it has occurred in a series of oscillating warm and cool periods and glaciers have responded accordingly.
4. Glaciers retreated from 1850 to 1880, expanded from 1880 to 1915, retreated strongly from 1915 to 1945, expanded strongly from 1945 to 1980, and retreated from 1980 to early 2000s. Light global cooling has occurred from about 2000 to the present and glaciers are beginning to respond by expanding (there is a lag effect–it takes awhile for glaciers to respond to temp change).
DR. Easterbrook,
Agree that we need to see the big picture.
Here you show short term cycles from the 1800’s,that help us see why there are periodic retreats tied to a degree,with warming time frames.
Please provide some links for us who wants to delve deeper into this.
Thank you for these level-headed comments. All the name-calling in all directions just muddies the discussion which non-academics and non-scientists like myself (who are the effect of whatever the powers-that-be foist on us in terms of policy) need in order to be informed and think clearly. Yes, even we little people are very interested and are sick and tired of being told what to think. I often see the illogical statements but haven’t got first-hand scientific data to argue. It has never made sense to me that all the fault and burden of global warming should be placed on Man’s use of fossil fuels in the last couple hundred years when there are so many other gargantuan shifts and changes over Earth’s whole history and current routine events in Earth’s environment in the solar system that have nothing to do with our burning of coal and oil. I refuse to engage in the name calling because this whole subject has become such an emotionally charged one with the different factions’ vested interests in their positions. Climate and its changes and impacts happen regardless of political views and should not be dealt with based on cui bono, but on what science can demonstrate and what sane heads of high integrity can help us plan to do for all of our survival. I don’t need you to go listing your sources, as someone asked you to do, as I can do whatever research I wish to corroborate what you say. Again, thank you for your logical and useful comments.
Note: “all the name calling” didn’t start with the skeptics. Nope, they have been attacked for daring to even question the orthodoxy of CAGW. That includes several in the flock that suggested that the UN-IPCC models needed to be verified by at least hind-casting. While I agree that the name calling doesn’t help the debate, yet having been involved for decades in the politics of the environmental movement I can assure you the CAGW crowd will not stop the attacks but only get more strident. I know of no skeptic that has recommended federal prosecution of CAGW adherents for fraudulent statements and actions or as one prominent politico demanded several years ago that that any denier deserved hanging. I would love a good truthful, ethical, honest public debate on the issues but I know well that even though that is what many so called deniers have requested, the devout CAGW believers will never allow it if they can in anyway prevent it. All you have to do is read some of the Climategate exchanges.
Holly
It’s an unfortunate consequence of the politicisation of the climate issue that the name “science” and “scientific” has been drained of trust and authority.
Don,
Check the Rainer National Park web cams. Winter arrived yesterday.
A volunteer trail crew (WTA) has been working on the Mount Fremont Lookout Trail, at about 7,000 feet for the past few weekends. Cameras show new snow, forecast says more to come.
We’ll likely be looking for a place closer to 4,500 feet for this weekend. Glacier Basin Trail, maybe.
Pretty sure glaciers aren’t permanent no matter. They melt. They break off. They do all kinds of stuff and then disappear at some point. Global warming cultists seem to want to come at everything that somehow what they believe to be “baseline” is etched in stone fact and that the Earth is supposed to be what they say it’s supposed to be based on some static state they pull out their ass. Any variation from that “proves” they are right.
Glaciers are growing all over the US West, thanks to the bitterly cold and wet winter of 2016-17. The previous years had seen drought.
All I can say is thank God that the glaciers retreated, otherwise I’d be using SKIS to get into Des Moines and the copper roof of 801 Grand would barely show above the ice and snow.
I guess the end of the last little ice age was all my fault…………..
Is there climate change? Yes. Is it ALL man? Unlikely given the past history of this planet and the trends that had already started centuries ago. Can we do better? Yup, I believe we can. There is no consensus – that term is used to squelch the other side of the debate. Further, how do we know how many tons of carbon we put into the air? Do we pay someone with giant scales to go out and measure it? Do we know EXACTLY how many people burn stuff, exactly what mileage all vehicles get, exactly what comes out of the tail pipes (or headers in some cases) of our cars? How can we say “we reduced our carbon output by 25 tons last week” – that’s BS. No one knows, you can’t even guess who is doing what. there’s no way to show that China puts our xx amount and the US xx amount. Prove it – show me the measurements and be accurate.
Of course when the Chinese people have to go around with MASKS or risk getting sick – DUH – don’t need Al Gore to tell us about that, or when we see buildings and vehicles in LA or NYC damaged by the very air they are in, again, DUH. But when it became politicized, you lost a whole lot of people. Go into a room screaming and preaching and you ain’t gonna get many followers other than a few radicals. Go in not as a politician and not with threats or taxes – and you may get some more believers.
That’s my beef – how Al the Bore handled it all. Stop preaching and start showing proof that’s impossible to refute. Hey, I’m listening. I believe there’s change and I believe humans may be having some impact – but the scope and size I don’t believe at this time. In any case, we can do better – just as people who have to live here, we can do better.
I’ve been visiting (and skiing) Alpine glaciers in the Sierra Nevada about twice a month each summer for decades. Two years ago was the minimum I’d ever seen, but to be fair, it rained heavily that summer due to monsoon moisture coming up from Arizona, plus it was after several years of drought and low winter snow fall. Ordinarily, the Sierra’s are a desert for most of the summer and see only occasional thunder storms.
This September, there’s more snow on the ground than I’ve ever seen this late in the summer, including 2011 which was an even bigger snow year. When I went up last weekend, the ski tracks we put down a couple of weeks earlier were still visible which indicates a slower melt than usual, moreover; we we able to ski pitches that haven’t been skiable this late in the season for as long as I’ve been doing this. The apparent cooling trend at upper altitudes (10K feet and above) has been quite noticeable over the last few years.
In the image time-stamped 09/17/2017 1125 the text on the propaganda board asserts all glaciers in the park will be gone by 2030. Coincidence? I think NOT! Can anyone say UN Agenda 2030? The one-world-order movement is as transparent as al gore’s lies.
It makes no difference to the climate change gang as they have staked out all the territory to insure their success. If it gets warmer, it’s climate change, if it gets colder, it’s climate change, if it stays the same, it’s climate change, if we get hit with 12 hurricanes, it’s climate change, if we have no hurricanes for 12 years, it’s climate change.