Claim: Exxon Contributed to Hurricane Harvey

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Sydney Morning Herald claims that Exxon Mobil contributed to the damage caused by Hurricane Harvey. Since Exxon is headquartered in Texas, SMH seems to think the suffering of Texans affected by the storm is self-inflicted.

Houston, you have a problem, and some of it of your own making

Peter Hannam

Yes, Houston, you do have a problem, and – as insensitive as it seems to bring it up just now – some of it is your own making.

Let’s be clear upfront. I unreservedly wish that all of your millions of citizens get safely through Tropical Storm Harvey, and the biblical-scale deluge and floods that are forecast to swamp your city in coming days.

But, as the self-styled “world capital of the oil and gas industry”, there’s a connection between rising global greenhouse gas levels and the extreme weather now being inflicted that some of your residents have understood for decades and had a hand in.

In fact, as an important research paper by Harvard University researchers Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes released last week showed, the largest of them – ExxonMobil – deliberately told the public a story at odds with their own research.

By stoking doubts about the climate change consequences of burning fossils, the behemoth misled voters for four decades, successfully stymieing demands for action in the US and abroad, including in Australia.

Although ExxonMobil is headquartered in another Texan city, Dallas, it bases many operations in Houston. The company has picked Houston to host a sprawling new campus north of the city that will reportedly house 8000 employees.

When the clean-up eventually begins in Houston and other regions battered and drenched in this week’s tempest, questions about what protection will be needed for the next big storm will no doubt surface.

Given its unusual dependence on fossil-fuel industries, though, it will be interesting to watch if Houston queries – tactfully and delicately – its own contribution to the catastrophe.

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This desperate chain of maybes is like the magical thinking of the dark ages. Can anyone imagine such mush being written in a mainstream newspaper a hundred years ago, or even fifty years ago?

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August 30, 2017 6:07 pm

What a crock! Could they have made more misrepresentations in a single article? Sadly, this a quite representative of the mainstream interpretation of what climate change (global warming) implies.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  eqibno
August 30, 2017 6:11 pm

Peter Hannam at the SMH, resident alarmist. When posts are allowed, anything that is contrary to the “consensus” of “climate change” is blocked. His articles are easily picked to bits. And he has been very active lately at the SMH.

George Tetley
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 2:41 am

Just watch those crazy “OR-Strains” theywill make this guy the next PM

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 6:53 am

People who block all contrary comments are telegraphing that they have no belief in what they are saying and know their argument is not at all persuasive.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 8:35 am

SMH: Yellow journalism at its finest.

Reply to  eqibno
August 31, 2017 6:31 am

Hand your objective journalism card in and start your career in fantastical fiction writing…

Reply to  eqibno
August 31, 2017 10:06 am

Sadly, this is indicative of the level of knowledge which the typical journalism major takes with them when they leave campus (after four years (+?) and an asinine amount of money paid for little more than a thorough brain-washing.)

August 30, 2017 6:09 pm

How absurd:
“But, as the self-styled “world capital of the oil and gas industry”, there’s a connection between rising global greenhouse gas levels and the extreme weather now being inflicted that some of your residents have understood for decades and had a hand in.”
Does this clown not realize that the last Category 3 or higher hurricane to strike the US coastline last occurred in 2005, 12 years ago? ‘Extreme weather’? Really? It seems that increased CO2 is actually decreasing the size and intensity of hurricane activity.

Reply to  Fred
August 30, 2017 7:19 pm

Peter Hannan and SMH are prime cheerleaders for all the Luvvie Narratives with Klymit Kaos at the Top Of The Pops.
How many howlers can you get into one article? As far as SMH is concerned the answer is as many as possible. These biggies.
1..Those seeking to discourage debate about Harvey’s climate boost will argue there hasn’t been a major (category three or stronger) hurricane crossing the continental US coast in almost 12 years. Scientists and climate models, though, argue a warming planet won’t necessarily equate to more frequent and more intense tropical cyclones in all basins every year. Decadal patterns are what you need to watch.
Note the number of qualifiers to this statement and then consider that in every second claim over the last decade Alarmists have stated that extreme weather is on the rise. Extreme weather is a mantra to their cause. Alarmists love big weather events like these as it is a marketing device and allows them to imply the notion that with Solar and Wind we shall control the Hurricanes. Frequency and Intensity
Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, said the complexity of cyclones makes it difficult to attribute climate change to events such as Hurricane Harvey.
“These are hard to simulate, extreme cyclones, on the grid scale of climate models,” he says.
Immediately after noting this inability to link Climate Change to this extreme weather event Hannan ramps up the alarm with references to warming atmosphere and sea level rise and quotes…of all people… Mickey Mann.
He sees this as his job to link these things. Ramping down concern is not the role of the Activist Journo in an Activist Rag.
…Given its unusual dependence on fossil-fuel industries, though, it will be interesting to watch if Houston queries – tactfully and delicately – its own contribution to the catastrophe…
If they thought they could have got away with it the headline would actually read…
Oil City Gets What It Deserved!
It is not possible to fully explain to WUWT overseas readers just how much The Australian postmodern left media, university and inner city cafe set are besotted by this Klymit Kaos Narrative.
This low grade and rotten natured article goes some way to explain that situation.

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 30, 2017 7:49 pm

Australia has its own trails that come from the UNEP Geneva Environment Network (GEN) as well.

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 7:21 am

UNEP Geneva Environment Network (GEN)
International Environment House, Geneva, Switzerland
Network > Members > Members link > Members websites
Page bottom organizations list:
Think Eat Save
Greening The Blue
Climate Neutral Network
GEN Historical Background 1961-2007
1983 Bruntdland Commission est.
1988 IPCC est.
1992 Rio Earth Summit
1999 GEN est.
More at:

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 8:13 am

In addition:
US oil companies make about five cents off a single gallon of gasoline, on the other hand US Big Government taxes on a single gallon is around seventy-one cents for some states & rising, the tax is now $1.00 for CA.
IOW, greedy governments make fourteen to twenty times what oil companies make and it is the oil companies who make & deliver the vital product to the marketplace.
It’s Big Government, not Big Oil.
This is all about seizing cash.

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 11:33 am

UN / UNEP, 16 August, 2017
Regional Office North America: Includes Canada and the U.S.
Regional Director, North America
Barbara Hendrie appointed new Director, North America
Short biography at:

paul courtney
Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 11:41 am

RB: Nor is it possible to fully explain why the US press is similarly besotted (great word!). I should not be surprised, yet I’m often amazed at how the press here is blind to the ho@x. If memory serves, Al Gore and others used Katrina to support this meme, “see AGW out your window” and such. They turned to the IPCC for proof that AGW caused more severe weather, expecting confirmation. Again by my memory, the 2009 IPCC report said there’s no evidence of it, no sign that CO2 warming was affecting storms, disappointing Griffs everywhere. They recovered nicely, realizing they could just say nothing until after a big storm, then trot it out again. Some of the activists were bolder, like Mr. Holdren and his boss, who insisted on blaming AGW for the CA drought that will never end (until it ended). RB, I am not aware of a single instance where a news article or network piece has brought up the IPCC debunking of this meme. The activist trots it out and the reporter reports it. I’ve said for many years that if your organization wants to promote an upcoming event (like a bake sale), put “eco” in your group title and put out a press release saying it’s to stop Global Warming. The paper will run it.

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 4:13 pm

UNEP FI / UNEP Finance Initiative, North America
North America includes Canada and the U.S.
Includes specific UNEP FI goals.
Click on: Financial institutions based in North America which are UNEP FI Signatories.
UNEP FI is included in the UNEP GEN.

Reply to  RobbertBobbert
August 31, 2017 5:22 pm

Direct Link to:
UNEP FI North America members:

Reply to  Fred
August 30, 2017 11:07 pm

It is called “inverse correlation,” and you hit the nail on the head!!!

August 30, 2017 6:11 pm

Fake News. What a trite but accurate description. Trump is correct in calling out Fake News.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  markl
August 30, 2017 6:15 pm

Not fake news to the faithful, unfortunately.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 6:27 pm

What’s the difference between fake news and lies ?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 7:01 pm

Regarding the SMH and articles from Hannam about climate change, that must be a trick question?

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 7:35 pm

We should probably start calling it Holy Dogma, since that’s how they treat it.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 9:44 pm

“What’s the difference between fake news and lies ?”
Some people call it a spade, some call it a hand-operated soil-excavating apparatus.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 7:08 am

“What’s the difference between fake news and lies ?”
Not much. There are the deliberate liars who create the false narrative and put it out in the public arena, and then there are the True Believers who Echo the narrative far and wide. I assume True Believers are more dupes than liars, but they can be a combination of both.
Yes, Trump is right to call out the Fakes News for what it is. Trump *should* point out when the MSM lies because the People can’t govern themselves properly based on the lies and distortions of the MSM, so Trump has to provide the counterpoint.
Those of the Left claim Trump is attacking journalism and the First Amendment by pointing out the Fake News, but Trump is really helping legitimate journalism by calling out the liars in the profession.
Trump himself says there are good journalists, but there are also a lot of partisan political liars masquerading as legitimate jounalists. Trump says we should listen to the legitimate journalists and reject the lies of the illegitimate journalists. Sounds logical to me.
I see where the UN wants to criticize Trump for his calling the MSM Fake News, claiming Trump is undermining democracy, when in fact it is the liars in the MSM who are undermining our governance.
The UN is just another leftwing/socialist organization that depends on the MSM to promote their leftist/socialist ideas, so naturally they are not going to like it when Trump calls the UN’s MSM helpers a bunch of liars.
Keep calling them out, President Trump. If they lie, they should be called liars. Your supporters LOVE it when you call the MSM liars. They have been waiting SO long for a Republican to come along and actually call it like it is, and finally we have one.
I see where Nancy Pelosi actually condemned Antifa and their unacceptable violence yesterday and she did it before Paul Ryan, or Mitch McConnell or any other Republicans other than Trump.
Which just goes to show how cowardly many of our Repubican representatives and Senators really are. They are scared to death of getting out in front of an issue that might cause the MSM to go after them, even when it concerns a domestic terrorist group like Antifa.
Then Nancy Pelosi comes out and condemns Antifa violence and shames Ryan and McConnell into doing the same. Another pathetic performance on the part of Republicans. Scared to death of what the MSM might say about them. So scared they are paralyzed into inaction. These are our leaders.
I think a lot of RINO’s need replacing in the next election by some solid conservative Republicans. 2018 is just around the corner. And the GOP has 12 days to show they can get something done. What a fiasco.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 12:18 pm

Barbara, the difference between calling something ‘fake new’ and ‘lies’ is a matter of politeness – otherwise no difference.

Reply to  markl
August 31, 2017 5:11 am

Barbara August 30, 2017 at 6:27 pm
What’s the difference between fake news and lies ?
Lies are lies but fake news is generally ignorance and personal bias.

Cold in Wisconsin
Reply to  Matthew W
August 31, 2017 6:09 am

I would say that fake news can be described as lies that have been window dressed to appear in a format or location that make the lies appear to be legitimate news. The liberals invented the term for made up stories that appeared in fringe online publications that looked like news organizations. Trump uses the term applied to any news organization that publishes lies or tries to pass off opinion as hard news. That interpretation fits with almost everything these days, since journalism has died. The bias is dripping through almost every piece of “news” that you read. There are no qualifiers, and conclusions are slipped into the most innocuous places, very subtly changing the entire meaning of the piece. Even educated people cannot parse out what is bias and what is fact unless they dissect the information line by line. my kids are getting a good education when they are told to evaluate the bias of the source, and by the way, every source has some kind of bias. Read broadly, read all sides, and then draw your conclusions. That is why this website is so valuable. It serves as a double check on the garbage that is out there. Even the comments are thoughtful and informative.

Phil Rae
August 30, 2017 6:14 pm

Sick & deranged!
The collective amnesia that members of the MSM have with regard to the debt we all owe fossil fuels for our current well-being is actually unbelievable. But that’s not news on this site, obviously!

August 30, 2017 6:18 pm

People like this fellow are promoting a global agenda and this is also an opportunity to bash the U.S.

August 30, 2017 6:21 pm

Dear Peter Hannam & SMH, How developed were the Texan oil fields 117 years ago, when Galveston was leveled by a Cat 4 hurricane in what is still the US’s worst natural disaster in history?

Reply to  Climatism
August 31, 2017 5:48 am

Now, now, play fair. Inconvenient facts like this (and others) and not allowed.

August 30, 2017 6:28 pm

In fact, as an important research paper by Harvard University researchers Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes released last week showed, the largest of them – ExxonMobil – deliberately told the public a story at odds with their own research.

Of course this is the same Naomi Oreskes who a few years ago assembled a conference of activists, politicians and AGs to come up with a strategy to use against fossil fuel suppliers and settled on the notion that they should imitate the successful “they knew” campaign that took down tobacco companies.
So now she publishes a “research paper” that reaches the same conclusion she advocated.
I would assume Harvard would normally frown on “research” intended to “prove” a conclusion the researcher reached ahead of time?
If this is a recent paper, was she unaware that this has been a political issue for several years, that state AGs were discredited, and the notion that EXXON “knew” was just plain silly!?!

Reply to  George Daddis
August 30, 2017 7:55 pm

Harvard used to frown on “research” intended to “prove” a conclusion the researcher reached ahead of time?

Correction in italics.

Reply to  Writing Observer
August 30, 2017 7:57 pm

And… block quoting here puts the whole thing in italics. Sigh, what can I say, WordPress…
Correction is substitute “used to” for “would normally.”

Tom Halla
August 30, 2017 6:28 pm

And rising CO2 caused the 1935 flood as well?

August 30, 2017 6:31 pm

More to the point ware any precautions made to minimise the floods.. After all these things do happen at regular intervals, so could the effects such as flooding being minimised, or was it a case that after 12 years they had let such safeguards run down ? Michael.

Reply to  Michael Elliott
August 30, 2017 7:37 pm

The precautions will be looked at – but you do realize that this is the heaviest rainfall event in the continental US since records have been kept. It’s hard to prepare for something bigger than anyone has imagined possible.
And, Houston is not New Orleans.

George Tetley
Reply to  wws
August 31, 2017 2:50 am

And to help those affected, the “Gov flood of money ” has run dry, the last President spent it all on solar panels

Reply to  wws
August 31, 2017 7:00 am

You can’t plan for such extreme weather. Why people even think it can be done is beyond me. One can plan for some of the worst scenarios, but there’s always going to be that record-breaking event that comes out of nowhere. We simply do not understand weather and climate well enough to predict such events.

Rhoda R
Reply to  wws
August 31, 2017 12:23 pm

eorge Tetley: I knew the flood insurance was dead broke and had been borrowing from the Treasury for years but that bit about Obmama spending the money on solar panels? Is that documented or snark?

August 30, 2017 6:36 pm

Take no notice of anything reported in the Sydney Morning Herald. It used to be a great newspaper but is now a fish’n’chip wrapper somewhat to the left of the Grauniad, and possibly the ABC. It no longer reports the news, now it pedals left-wing propaganda on every page including the crossword and the sports section.

August 30, 2017 6:43 pm

You know Jane Fonda learned what people really thought of her once at a book signing.
A veteran spat upon her.
She was much more respectful in her public comments after that.
Naomi and other climate fraudsters might benefit from an unvarnished bit of climate feedback as well.

Dave Fair
Reply to  hunter
August 30, 2017 7:51 pm

Jane Fonda’s activities directly led to my combat wounds in Vietnam. Spitting on her was the least the veteran could do.

Reply to  Dave Fair
August 31, 2017 5:52 am

Concur. What she did was absolutely unforgiveable. Thank you for your courageous service Sir, and I’m not even an American. I am however a veteran.

Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 7:32 am

Jane Fonda did publicly apologize for her actions.
I appreciate her apology, if sincere. I don’t appreciate what she did.
The Left doesn’t have a clue about war, or much of anything else. Jane Fonda is a perfect example of a clueless Leftist. She feels and reacts, she doesn’t think.

Rhoda R
Reply to  TA
August 31, 2017 12:25 pm

She was trying to sell a book. She never apologized prior to that.

August 30, 2017 6:49 pm

That is funny!

August 30, 2017 6:50 pm

These people are known as “de-growthers” No more GDP growth…
No capitalism, no Individual liberty, no Private property rights…

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
August 30, 2017 7:36 pm

Agenda 21. There was some nutty professor from Vancouver being interviewed on Calgary radio station a couple of weeks ago, who enumerated your very points,with a couple other scary ones added to that, as to what they plan to do.

Chad Irby
August 30, 2017 6:58 pm

“They knew” about global warming. Or, at least, a handful of Exxon employees thought it was a real thing, and sent some internal memos on it.
Out of a few tens of thousands of employees.

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  Chad Irby
August 31, 2017 4:44 am

No, I don’t think that’s correct at all. They were aware of the possibility that it might be a real thing. They were simply doing what smart business people do: hedging their bets.

Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
August 31, 2017 7:03 am

Yes. At that point in time, science with the words “maybe”, “could” etc was considered very tentative. Exxon said the evidence was not yet in. They didn’t say climate change was not real nor that oil and gas might not contribute to it.

Reply to  Chad Irby
August 31, 2017 7:43 am

““They knew” about global warming.”
How can they know something that hasn’t been proven to exist even to this very day? The “something” being human-caused global warming. There is no evidence that humans are adding net heat to the atmosphere, so it is impossible for Exxon to have known it existed decades ago.
The Left twists themselves and logic into knots trying to create these false narratives. A judge would throw this case out of court.

August 30, 2017 7:09 pm

Peter Hannam appears to be a Climate Scientologist. What a loon.

August 30, 2017 7:14 pm

Again, more ludicrous garbage from seriously deranged idiots. 👎🏻

August 30, 2017 7:19 pm

Well Eric, 100 years ago the SMH was probably full of articles explaining why young men should go and die in the mud of flanders for a king of a foreign country. 50 years ago the paper was again full of articles explaining why young men should go off and die in the jungles of Vietnam for no adequately explained reasons. In comparison this article seems like a significant improvement.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Germinio
August 30, 2017 7:57 pm

Germinio, do you understand the concept of equivalencies? Your postings seem to indicate you don’t understand proportionality. Infanticide is the same as opposing your politics.

Reply to  Germinio
August 31, 2017 2:13 am

And 80 years ago they probably full of articles explaining why young men should go and die fighting against your ilk in Germany and Japan.

michael hart
August 30, 2017 7:38 pm

I think the man and woman in the street can subconsciously reject many End-of-the-World stories even if they cannot articulate their reasons.
This is because people like Naomi Oreskes and Michael Mann so often paint the portrait of a fossil-fueled super villain like Dr. Evil from the Austin Powers movies. The evil one is always a genius who can accurately predict much of the future in a way us lesser mortals cannot. Yet he is too dumb to use his super-knowledge to easily make a bigger fortune by betting on the stock market or the Kentucky Derby. I think ‘ordinary’ people can spot at least some of these self-contradictions in the “Exxon knew” story. The global warming disaster narrative then loses any ring of truth it may once have had because “something just doesn’t add up”.
What does continue to add up, is the fame and fortune, and volume, of the people shouting loudly about an evil genius and his corporation destroying us all as it takes over the world.

August 30, 2017 7:50 pm

Eric Worrall unreservedly wishes Houston “that all of your millions of citizens get safely through the biblical-scale deluge and floods that are forecast to swamp your city in coming days.”
So in the coming days, Texas will experience not just 4 days of non-stop rain, but rather 40 days and 40 nights of non-stop rain, reaching a height of 15 cubits above the ground – whatever a cubit is?

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 30, 2017 8:11 pm

That was the idiot in Sydney, not Eric. A cubit is “the length of a forearm” – so it varied somewhat. But about 18 inches or 44 centimeters.
Call it 22-23 feet. Which was actually rather low for a typical flood even on the lower Nile, which is what the writers of Genesis would have been most familiar with. (At Cairo, a “normal” year would see 25 feet. Aswan in the Upper Nile would have 45 feet in a typical year.)

Reply to  Writing Observer
August 30, 2017 9:10 pm

My bad – sorry Eric. I should have written: “Peter Hannam unreservedly wishes…”

August 30, 2017 7:55 pm

Hummmm, do vegatarians have a role in this too? They produce more methane, no?

Jimmy Haigh
August 30, 2017 7:59 pm

Predictable. Kind of like when the Imams blamed the tsunami deaths in Phuket, Thailand, on their “decadence”. While ignoring the fact that the earthquake epicenter was in Banda Aceh, the strictest Muslim state in Indonesia.

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
August 31, 2017 5:01 am

Actually, Banda Aceh became much, much stricter after, and possibly as a consequence of, the horrific destruction there. I think it was fairly secular before the tsunami.

Chris Hanley
August 30, 2017 8:22 pm

Get a load of the author Peter Hannam smiling ‘with the self-satisfied smugness of a man whose vanity is tickled’ in what’s probably not only the ugliest BMW but the ugliest car ever built.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 30, 2017 10:04 pm

What BMW is that?

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 10:54 pm

I think it is the BMW i3 all-electric model.
Peter Hannam claims to recharge his car from only renewable energy sources, he must not use it very often or go very far or fast in it.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 30, 2017 11:02 pm

I like to know how he can separate electrons from different generating sources that supply energy to his connection point to the grid. It’s as if the electrons he consumes are “marked” as being generated by solar/wind etc. I don’t know any, grid connected, technology that can do that yet.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Patrick MJD
August 31, 2017 1:34 am

I like to know how he can separate electrons from different generating sources that supply energy to his connection point to the grid. It’s as if the electrons he consumes are “marked” as being generated by solar/wind etc. I don’t know any, grid connected, technology that can do that yet.

I think the new quantum entanglement computer will be able to do that, and I am sure plans are under way to build one into every mandatory smart meter that the Party decrees we must have installed…
TinfoilHat of Tottenham

Leo Smith
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 31, 2017 1:31 am

Haven’t seen the Ford Edsel then?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 31, 2017 6:54 am

…but the ugliest car ever built.

Clearly you’ve forgotten about the El Camino.

Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
August 31, 2017 7:08 am

My vote for ugliest cars is Kia and Scion toaster cars. They are proof positive that prediction of future trends is impossible. In the 70’s aerodynamic models, with tapered fronts, were the “car of the future”. The future has toaster cars, not aerodynamic ones.

John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia
August 30, 2017 9:23 pm

Latest circulations for the main 2 Sydney daily print newspapers (Monday to Friday editions) comparing them to the circulations last year. A dying newspaper in Sydney. Once a well read conservative newspaper, it is now a left wing rag of fake news. Most Sydney-siders read The Tele.
Print January -June 2017 Same period last year Change
DAILY TELEGRAPH (M-F) 221,641 239,018 -7.8%
SYDNEY MORNING HERALD (M-F) 88,634 98,472 -11.1%

August 30, 2017 9:29 pm

I came within 4 inches of having my home flooded here in the Houston area before I got a miracle and the rain stopped. I and my family are fine and our home is great. Here is what I have to say about irresponsible , irrational, and just plain stupid articles like this. …….. I can’t say what’s on my mind. And I won’t. I made a promise. Just help the people in desperate need and ignore the noise. It distracts from a great need. There has been a huge physical and emotional drain on the people in this area. It will get much worse before it gets better. Ignore the noise, keep people in your hearts and mind.

Reply to  Don
August 31, 2017 4:49 am

Congrats on making it through ok!
I live SW Houston off Brays bayou.
We only got water in our garage.
Many of my neighbors are homeless.
Got to boat down a beautiful street and help save people stuck on a roof.
If I ever hear some sanctimonious evil ignorant twit spout the non-factual hatred if Griff or the slimeball author of the essay being discussed here, I will have a physical response.
The climate fanatics are subhuman haters at their core, not to mention ignorant of facts.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 6:40 am

Well done to you both. Stay safe.

Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 6:52 am

Great for you hunter. The fact the you live off brays bayou and only got water in your garage is amazing. It’s time for the fortunate to be there for the victims.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 7:07 am

“hunter August 31, 2017 at 4:49 am
…or the slimeball author of the essay being discussed here…”
Hannam is a particularly vile environment editor at the SMH IMO. He’s been at it for years and now most of his articles don’t allow comments. He currently has several articles posted at the SMH this week all pointing to “fossil fuel bad, renewable good”, but this article is particularly vile. You should all drop him an e-mail and thank him for his enlightened, and smug, opinion.

Sceptical lefty
August 30, 2017 9:32 pm

“Can anyone imagine such mush being written in a mainstream newspaper a hundred years ago, or even fifty years ago?”
Yep … absolutely! You get the right issue (like a war, or particular hobbyhorse of the rag in question) and newspapers of all stripes and vintages can (and have) come up with rubbish like this. The reader must remain sceptical.

August 31, 2017 12:47 am

Certainly it should be no surprise that Houston has flooded…
The warnings have been there for some while.
this piece is from June this year.
“While Houston, Texas, is already regularly home to some of the worst flooding events that occur within the US, the reality is that, thanks to rising seas, increasingly extreme rainstorms, and increasingly powerful hurricanes, such events will actually become considerably worse over the coming decades.”
[it was a stalled hurricane extended rain event, and had nothing at all to do with sea level, sheesh… this is probably the stupidest attempt at trying to convince people of AGW effects you’ve ever made here -Anthony]

Reply to  Griff
August 31, 2017 4:41 am

I have lived in Houston, for 54 years.
I am active in flood control and infrastructure issues.
There is no slr issue contributing to flooding problems in Houston. A quick study if reality Shows why.
Houston is over 30 miles from the Gulf of Mexico and many miles from Galveston Bay.
The flooding came from inland waterways, bayousvand creeks and rivers.
The increased frequency of flooding us directly related to the failure of local governments to control development of agricultural land into neighborhoods and commercial/industrial properties and the ensuing changes in rain runoff. Added to this is negligent care for and expansion of flood control infrastructure.
Your pathetic obsession on climate is not only ignorant (as is typical of you) but infuriating since you are seeking to use the suffering of myself and my fellow Houstonians to advance your religious mania regarding CO2.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 6:52 am

The problem with people like Griff, in the UK, and Hannam, in Australia, is that at some point in time they run into someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Well done hunter.
Seems like several flood prone areas, Somerset in the UK and Brisbane in Australia have been similarly allowed to urbanise at the same time letting flood mitigation measures falter. Water will go wherever it wants without proper management and control. Many people simply cannot comprehend that a cubic metre of water weighs a metric tonne. 1 tonne moving at say 30- 40kph contains a massive amount of energy, we can even calculate that. Multiply that by many thousands of cubic metres…the water can, literally, move mountains.

Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 7:41 am

Thank you, Patrick.
The wicked stupidity and willful bad faith of climate creeps like Griff, or the editor behind that perverse anti-science claptrap at SMH, to Mann and Hansen, is vile untrue and hurtful.
And distracting.

Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 8:25 am


Leo Smith
August 31, 2017 1:27 am

In a discussion with a friend last night we agreed that what will bring down civilisation is not carbon dioxide, nor yet will it be peak oil.
It will be instead peak stupid.
Quite simply clever men and women have built a society that is so complex and machine dependent that it takes a team of highly trained technocrats to run it, which would be fine, if only the exact same society hadn’t become prey to the parasites of any society – the liberal and arts and humanities people – who with time on their hands and being skilled at expostulating the ultimate in bovine excrement, have now subverted the political process and taken control of the reins of power without even the faintest idea of what to do with them.
And then in a bid to cement their power base, have infiltrated the schools and replaced selection of the competent with no competition, so everyone gets full Marx.
In short the people who have the ability to succeed in politics today are the worst possible people to actually run a technological post industrial society.
And the tenets and dogma of cultural Marxism – the emphasis on social justice, fairness and parochial care for the stupid, by the stupid, is the worst possible ethos to develop strong able and capable men and women with a sense of responsibility towards society.
The world needs savants, not sociologists. Artisans, not art students. Skilled leaders and planners, not sheep who bleat if anyone dares proclaim themselves as leadership material, but who will meekly follow any charlatan who promises them almost anything.
There is no cure. Civilisation will collapse precisely because it has been so successful it has taken the challenge out of life, and accidentally bred a generation of complete nincompoops.
In Britain, our equivalent to Clinton is Jeremy Corbyn, dyed in et wool communist, now polling enough to put him into power, and here is our electorate:

Reply to  Leo Smith
August 31, 2017 4:44 am

+10. It seems clear from posters like Griff that stupid is very likely to overwhelm everything.
The stupid left Houston vulnerable to Harvey.
And is apparently fixated on destroying the Presidency, as they have most important institutions.

paul courtney
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 31, 2017 12:58 pm

Leo: It’s lucky for you Brits that there is no equivalent to Hillary, she is pure undiluted mendacity in pants (suits). If Corbyn tangled with her, he would be found after the apparent suicide, shot 5 times with 3 different guns, and the coroner (who just got a nice part time position with the Clinton Global Init.) would confirm suicide. It’s lucky beyond words for us that she came in second.

August 31, 2017 2:16 am

Per ERSSTv5, northern gulf warmed +0.2C since 1950. Also SST cooled by hurricane prior to tropical storm rain. AGW signal likely doesn’t rise above the noise.

August 31, 2017 2:59 am

Obviously the attempt to link Harvey, higher rainfall and increased hurricanes explicitly to CAGW after a 12 year “drought” is ridiculous. When it supports CAGW it’s climate, when it doesn’t it’s weather.
But the thing I haven’t seen mentioned is that advanced industrialisation (enabled by cheap/reliable energy, largely from fossil fuels) is a key reason why Texas has only seen around 40 deaths from Harvey – which is amazing from something so devastating.
Before major industrialisation Galveston in a Texas had 27K deaths from a Hurricane. The Phillipines with a far lower GDP and less sturdy buildings had 6K+ from Tyhpoon Haiyan only 4 years ago.
How did the NOAA satellites get into orbit? Solar?
Where did all the concrete & plastics come from in Texas for buildings and temporary shelter? Biomass?
What fuels the rescue boats and helicopters, and creates the GDP necessary to build and run them? Wind?
If we lived in the environmentalist “utopia” where we have hardly any energy and no industrialisation, even on their terms we’d be about 1C lower temp, but tens of thousands would be getting massacred every year from the climate and “Mother Nature”.

Reply to  Mark Tinsley
August 31, 2017 4:51 am

…well reducing humans, like making omelettes, requires breaking a few things.

Reply to  hunter
August 31, 2017 8:27 am

And CAGW proponents seem to believe in breaking the eggs and we never even get the omelette…

August 31, 2017 4:02 am

It seems more and more likely that the AGW adherents are on a diet of stupid pills. I still expect, any day now, for them to say hang nails are caused by climate change.

Bruce Cobb
August 31, 2017 4:42 am

Articles such as Hannam’s display both a profound ignorance as well as an evil quality. In true Climate Cult fashion, he not only capitalizes on other’s misery, but actually blames them in broad-brush fashion, for their own misery. CAGW once again, rears its ugly head of lies and humanity-hating. We truly do live in a dark age.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
August 31, 2017 4:54 am

At its heart, as Griff and so many other believers demonstrate, climate fanaticism is profoundly anti-human and pro destruction.
Their dark hearts hate us and want us to suffer.
Every event is lied, spun, cherry picked to accomplish the heartless desire.
Any facts counter to their evil vision are ignored.

August 31, 2017 4:55 am

Peter Hannam is a total fracking retard.

Pamela Gray
August 31, 2017 6:48 am

There are many types of metrics for one weather event. It is likely rather than not likely someone will find a metric out of many to declare that a record has been broken. It is the intrinsic nature of the multi-metric beast, not because of external driving forces be they up or down during the plateau peak of an interstadial period.

August 31, 2017 6:50 am

Texas has THOUSANDS of wind turbines. Obviously, the writer does not care. One drop of fossil fuel and you become the fanged, evil planet destroyer.

Reply to  Sheri
August 31, 2017 8:43 am

Texas is the largest wind producer in the nation.
The climate creeps don’t care.
They only want ideological purity.

August 31, 2017 7:52 am

And what does Mr Hannam make of this in his own backyard if you can call a continent that-
Can you see any hand of Exxon Mobil, etc in the tropical cyclone capital of Oz you miserable, ignoramus scold?

Nigel S
August 31, 2017 11:13 am

‘increasingly extreme rainstorms, and increasingly powerful hurricanes’
Except that there’s no evidence of that is there Griff?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Nigel S
August 31, 2017 12:17 pm

Grift knows that perfectly well. No one can visit this site regularly and NOT know, unless you’re just here to sell snake-oil.
In which case, you’re just pretending not to know anyway.

Old Grump
August 31, 2017 11:42 am

Yes. Exxon Mobil contributed nearly a billion US dollars to Hurricane Harvey to encourage a direct strike on the Valero refinery. Had to be that.
That, by the way, is sarcasm. I shouldn’t have to say it, but in the internet world I must.

Joel Snider
August 31, 2017 12:15 pm

The chance that this would not be exploited by warmists was zero.
I wish Vegas had a betting line on it, because it’s so rare you get a sure thing.

John Gill
September 1, 2017 2:41 am

Peter Hannah’s hot air is significantly more responsibile for hurricane damage than any oil company.

Fred LeGrand
September 1, 2017 10:08 am

I have felt for some time now that this whole green movement and its spokespersons have become a religious cult, at least in their behavioral patterns. Now they are claiming that weather is punishing the “deniers” for their sins. Absolutely ridiculous!! The climate is changing, just the same as it has for 4 Billion years. The changes we are seeing today are a mere ripple when contrasted with the changes the earth has undergone in the past 700 million years. Remember, these “scientists ” now want to jail people who deny their doctrine of CO2 caused warming, a matter of scientific debate still today. Crazy people”Climate Zealots” per se ……

September 2, 2017 1:43 pm

Seems a bit hypocritical for people who use gasoline in their cars, natural gas and heating oil to heat and power their homes and offices, lubricants in all their mechanical devices, and plastics made from petrochemicals in every aspect of their lives to blame Texans for being willing to do the work of manufacturing these essentials and delivering them to those who then say Texas somehow deserved Hurricane Harvey….

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