Snow in the Rockies, Cascades, and Sierra Nevada – in June!

Via weather.com and NOAA:

Several inches of snow are possible in parts of the Cascades and northern Rockies starting this weekend. Snow levels could fall to as low as 5,000 feet by Sunday. Campers in this region should prepare for cold temperatures. Snow is in the forecast starting this second weekend of June in the higher elevations of the mountain West, as an unseasonably cold air mass infiltrates the northwestern United States. The cold air will build in beneath a strong southward dip in the jet stream, or upper-level trough, that will develop this weekend as a result of a weather pattern flip.

National Weather Service Sacramento CA

1039 PM PDT Sat Jun 10 2017

…Late Season Snow Over Northern Sierra and Lassen Park This Weekend…

.A cool weather system will bring late season snow to the mountains of northern California this weekend. Snow levels are expected to drop to near 5000 feet late tonight into Sunday. Although snow levels could be locally lower, the main snow

accumulations are expected above 5500 feet. There could be around 5-10 inches of snow across Lassen Park with 1-4 inches possible over the Sierra. Motorists traveling across the Sierra on Sunday should be prepared for winter driving conditions.


While this is not unprecedented, the last time I can remember having winter weather and snow in the Sierra Nevada was right after Mt. Pinatubo filled the atmosphere with particulates, and caused global cooling.

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peter

What I want to know is if this pattern will travel eastward and effect the other side of the country in a few weeks. Super low temperatures at the end of June or beginning of July should cause some quick excuses for how this is all the fault of climate change and there is nothing to see here.

steven F

In yosemitey national park high way 120 from the east and west park entrance to mono lake is still closed. Normally the park can clear the road and open it by memorial day. Latest opening on record was july 4th. Current prediction is the end of the month. Latest opening on record was jul1 1998 with snow pack at 156% of normal. That was an El Nino years. This year the snow pack is at 177% of normal. The snow pack numbers for 120 are from April 1st. And we have had snow since then and it is in the forecast today (although not as much as in Lassen)
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tiogaopen.htm

Mick

But but but… we predicted this 30 years ago.

AndyG55

No, they predicted that children wouldn’t know what snow was.
Its an education issue. 😉

old44

Maybe Andy but 30 years before that they did.

Bryan A

This is not the global warming you are looking for

Latitude

A cool weather system will bring late season snow….
Cool would bring rain….this is cold
If the temp was in the other direction…they would claim record breaking hot….not warm

Rick K

White warming…
“Global warming” so thick you can shovel it.

Duncan

Don’t kid around – it’s called “snow drought”. I could not make this stuff up if I tried.
“We should be prepared for this type of snow drought to occur much more frequently because of rising temperatures,” Trouet said. “Anthropogenic warming is making the drought more severe.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/25/climate-change-fail-california-hammered-with-rain-snow-after-alarmists-predicted-disaster/

Duncan

Mmmm. I’ll retract the above quote, reading it again, it was in the context of the 2014-15 winter. Article written in 2017 though showing how wrong the predictions were.

JohnKnight

No doubt about the snow drought . . it’s been simulated!
“Sierra Nevada climate and snowpack is simulated during the period of extreme drought from 2011 to 2015 and compared to an identical simulation except for the removal of 20th century anthropogenic warming. Anthropogenic warming reduced average snowpack levels by 25%, with mid-to-low elevations experiencing reductions between 26-43%.”
‘New UCLA End of Snow Prediction’
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/10/new-ucla-end-of-snow-prediction/

Richard G

No need to retract the quote Duncan, they repeat the same claptrap 24/7/365 every year. Here is the most recent one I saw in the L.A. Times for Sunday June 11, 2017.
“A warming climate, experts and officials argue, has ushered in a new age of unpredictable rainy seasons and caused the Sierra snowpack to melt faster than ever before.”

Esther

So do we still believe in Global warming?? 😬🙄🤔

Kalifornia Kook

Three comments, Esther:
1) It’s weather, not climate.
2) We’ve been warming overall since the last ice age, so, yes, I believe in Global warming – overall. It’s a good thing. (I just don’t believe in it today, as it is snowing outside, and we have had the heat on FOR THREE DAYS IN JUNE!)
3) It’s humans as a significant driver of GW that one should question. There is no evidence (discounting computer models as evidence) that we are a driver of GW. Unlikely to be a driver of GC, when that part of the cycle starts.

Chimp

Actually, we’ve been cooling off since the Holocene Climate Optimum ~5000 years ago, or from the Minoan Warm Period ~3000 years ago. There have been ups like the Roman and Medieval WPs and downs like the Little Ice Age and prior cooling periods, but the trend is still definitely down, despite the present Current WP.

Jtom

Each day represents 0.009% of the climate.

AndyG55

Its called “The modern SLIGHTLY Warm Period” (MSWP) !!

halftiderock

Look at the Greenland ice core temp by Alley,. Then look at the insolation data by Pettit. Then Noaa’s sunspot predictions and we had better figure out how to avoid the next real chill. It seems to me that the last argument becomes the question of whether we are warming after the end of the Little Ice Age as one null hypothesis or the Little Ice ge with out anthropogenic impact on climate would still be chilling on.
My question is which is it? How do we know? If we know then what do we do with the knowledge.

halftiderock

Look at the Greenland ice core temp by Alley,. Then look at the insolation data by Pettit. Then Noaa’s sunspot predictions and we had better figure out how to avoid the next real chill. It seems to me that the last argument becomes the question of whether we are warming after the end of the Little Ice Age as one null hypothesis or the Little Ice ge with out anthropogenic impact on climate would still be chilling on.
My question is which is it? How do we know? If we know then what do we do with the knowledge.

Chimp

Based upon prior warm and cool spells, the LIA ended about when you’d have expected it to do so.
CO2 didn’t increase enough to have caused the late 19th and early 20th century warming cyles, which are indistinguishable from the late 20th century warming.
So, no, it does not appear that we’re still in the LIA but rescued by man-made CO2. The Current Warm Period began naturally in the 19th century, and there is no human fingerprint in the climate since the end of WWII, when CO2 increase accelerated.

Kalifornia Kook

Thanks, everybody, for the comments. Chimp, I’ll look more closely. I just don’t see it in the current evidence, but that is of such a short time frame that it may be a blip instead of a trend. Also, the UHI readings distort the picture, as do the annual temperature “corrections” of historical data (down). Or using modeled data for those areas we no longer measure directly.
Just not sure of any temperature data I read anymore!
Oh, and “Sorry, Esther!”

Chimp

Kook,
See the series on Holocene temperature reconstructions published here recently. Earth is in a long-term cooling trend, out of which the slight warming since the LIA has not broken.
For instance, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, by far the largest repository of fresh water on the planet, quit retreating at least 3000 years ago, and is still gaining mass.
We’re still probably thousands of years until the next big ice age, but the Holocene is headed down. The danger is from cooling, not warming.

Marysduby

Not by man or women or whatever else there is!!

Yes. Because the mount lassen is not the world.
You should have seen it in 1995..
Ask Anthony about the banana belt.

Chimp

It’s not just Mt. Lassen. The whole world has gotten snowier in this century.

High_Octane_Paine

But the world and Mount Lassen both obey the laws of thermodynamics, while much of what you say doesn’t.
That’s why people find Mt Lassen and the world interesting, but wish you’d go away.

Lawrence Pierce
Catcracking

http://beartoothhighway.com/beartooth-highway-closed-weather-update/
Bear Tooth pass closed again with camper warnings of cold.

Sheri

Heavy wet snow is forecast for the Tetons and Yellowstone Park Monday night into Tuesday. Hopefully tourists brought warm coats.

Barbara

A number of years ago while we were camping at Yellowstone it snowed about 2″ on June 21. We had winter coats with us.

ShrNfr

Completely unbearable that.

vukcevic

There was a snowstorm in the French Alps (Val Thorens) – 4 days ago (7th of June).
“While most resorts in the Alps are now preparing to welcome visitors for the summer, with the usual forecast full of mild sunny days, it seems this freak change in the weather puts plans for the warmer months on hold.”

Retired_Engineer_Jim

And I have been snowed on on July 4th in the Austrian Alps. Admittedly, at >3,000 metres. It’s just weather.

noaaprogrammer

I remember hiking in a snowstorm on July 4, 1955 between 7,000 and 8,000 ft. in the Buffalo Hump area of Idaho.

Barbara

And I was in Baltimore, Maryland and it was about 100 degrees.

Vuc
Is that why Macron wants all the US climate scientists to come to France 🇫🇷 – to help figure out what is going on?

vukcevic

Macron is anything but a fool. He was never elected before to any office, one year ago he left the government and started new political party, got elected as the president of France and now his fledgling party is poised to win more than 400 seats out of 580 or so in the National Assembly.

+ Vuk: Macron is anything but anyone at all. Macron is an EU establishment cardboard cutout. You honestly think that a vacuous faceless PC creature like that can start a party of EU business-as-usual nothingness and sweep all before it in a “breathless impassioned rush” in less than a year on the ‘merits’ of absolutely nothing? Welcome to Greater Germania.

ATheoK

“ptolemy2 June 11, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Vuc
Is that why Macron wants all the US climate scientists to come to France ”

They could be invited to help shovel snow and carry brandy casks under their chins…

Scott

Macron is “A” fool, but by far not the biggest. His brainwashed electorate can claim that honor

While we’re having a little mini-heatwave a few states to the east. I love our Creator’s climate variability. We may not understand much of it, but I am 100% convinced that God has every bit of it created, delivered on time, when, where, and to what degree, as He sees fit!

vukcevic

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use.” – G.G.

Neither do I!

“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”; and again, The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless” 1 Cor 3:19-20

dmacleo

keep it there please. the last 5 days here (central maine) I’ve liked not having 38-44 deg F mornings.

Robert W Turner

Snow down to 5,000 on 6/11? Hmm, when is the last time this happened without a Pinatubo type event?

The snow has been down lower than that over the last several days in Northern California. Using the interactive Intellicast map last night showed many spots in the coastal mountains were getting snow, likely due to enhanced local effects from winds passing through the mountains.
The interactive map is showing some snow locations to the south of me right at this time, …http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?location=USCA0307

ren
SMC

When I lived on Colorado, in the 80’s, I remember snow as late as June 22nd. The earliest snow fall I remember was September 2nd. Where I lived, the saying was; We have 2 seasons, July/August and winter.
Of course, our house was at 7700ft, that might have had something to do with it.

Latitude

I was stuck one July in Craig….
Four seasons…..mud….snow…..mud……dust

Sheri

I believed you nailed it!

Sandy b

In Vermont it goes 9 months of winter and 3 mons of bad sledding.

R. Shearer

I just returned from a half day skiing at Arapaho Basin, the latest in a season for me.

ATheoK

That’s only a little way uphill from Denver.
Too many people fail to understand just how high in altitude much of the West actually is.

Alan Robertson

I was climbing one of the 14ers in CO on June 22, ’96 and an unexpected snowstorm blew in up top with high winds. Wasn’t equipped for the weather and had a real problem, with the truck more than a mile away and 2000′ down. Got down 500′ or so and it was back into sunshine.
This is weather.

pameladragon

When we lived in Colorado Springs, in sight of Pike’s Peak, we had snow before Labor Day, in late August. This was the same August before 9/11 and the same year it snowed on May 22nd.
PMK

Mother of Toddlers

That was the first summer I spent in Colorado. We had snow at 9000′ on June 14th that year. More recently I’ve heard of snow at the top of Pikes Peak during the Pikes Peak Marathon, which is held in late August.

Ernest Bush

My oder sister and husband visited Pikes Peak around the July 4th time in the 1960’s. They were snowed in for 3 days at the small town below.

Crispin in Waterloo

SMC
Your house causes cooling? How does that work?

M Courtney

Weather not climate.
Still, it costs money to adapt to unseasonal weather. That’s a good reason to not waste money on long-term weather control via windmills.
Which is ridiculous when you think about it.

Kalifornia Kook

We have entire governments tilting at windmills.

Roger Knights

Make that tilting with windmills!

Auto

Tithing for windmills . . . ?
Auto

jorgekafkazar

Bilking for windmills.

tomwys1

There may be a relationship between the weakening sunspot activity on the Sun and an undulating Jet Stream. It is unlikely to improve!

Kalifornia Kook

I took movies here in Sparks, NV, to send to my friends in So Cal, where I just left. It didn’t stick, as the temperature was 39 F. We’re at 5,700 ft altitude.
I was planning to go get my motorcycle in Auburn, CA tomorrow, but the forecast for the pass is snow, and I don’t really want to be riding in that.
This AGW is really cool!

James H

Yup. it’s snowing at Kingvale on I-80 now with a forecast of 3-5 inches accumulation. check the CalTrans cameras.
http://quickmap.dot.ca.gov/
we’ve had thunderstorm cells at 1,000 ft and 55 deg. It feels like January again…..but it’s only weather.!

High_Octane_Paine

I lived in Sun Valley just up on the North side of Reno, and spent quite a bit of time in Sparks, for a few years. Great time living there although I wasn’t outdoors much. Now that I’m lower in altitude I miss it, except for the sunlight so charged with UV that every outing was a guaranteed sunburn if skin was left exposed.

K. Kilty

Snow on Togwotee Pass, Wyoming yesterday between Moran and Dubois.

Doug

Just go back from a ski up and down Mt Bachelor here in Oregon. Fresh powder over a 2-10 foot base. Lifts will be open 4th of July.

R. Shearer

A Basin in Colorado for me today. No fresh powder, just snow-packed spring conditions.

Smueller

isn’t this what you call weather?

Sheri

Yes, and weather is what affects us. The thirty average of weather really makes little difference day to day.

We lived in Munich from early 1978- late1983. In 1980, we were on a three week motorcycle/camping vacation through Sweden and Norway. We were going from Oslo to Bergen via a famous scenic mountain route, and got trapped by a snowstorm on the Hardangervidda mountain plateau. Third week of August. Fortunately there was a campground nearby with a grocery store. We sheltered in place until the roads cleared the next day. Snowy mountain roads and big motorcycles are not a good mix. Not the first time the tent had been snowed on. Just never in August.

pameladragon

Austrian Alps in January, 1987. No snow, not even cold, 24C during the day. Went to ski but should have gone to Steamboat instead, they had the best skiing in years! The only skiing was on Pittstalh Glacier. I hiked and rode horses instead.
PMK

Matt G

January 1987 was extremely cold and snowy for most of Europe at least for a time. Generally was still a cold and snowy month, maybe a different year? 24c in the Austrian Alps in January also sounds far fetched even at sea level if it was possible. It took weeks for snow to thaw at modest levels below 500m.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1987/Rrea00119870112.gif

Breaking news folks.
Michael Gove has just been given the job of Environment Secretary in Mrs. May’s Cabinet reshuffle.
Personally, I have always found him a snivelling incompetent little cnut, but when he was Education secretary he opposed the introduction of climate change into the national curriculum.
Things are getting very interesting in our new Government.
UK to withdraw from Paris next?

Leo Smith

a snivelling incompetent little cnut…
Echoing “Sir Peter and his new car”…”They are all like that, sir”.

vukcevic

Ah, yes, and there are the ten ‘creationist’ and the climate change derniers sailing south across the Irish sea.

I live in the SF South Bay area and over the last 2 days, my heater has turned on in the morning which rarely happens in June. Squaw Valley is predicting a few inches of snow over the next 24 hours, even at the base. Too bad they won’t be opened again until next weekend, but the 4’th of July skiing this year will be epic. The last time they were open on July 4’th was in 2011 which was just before the last drought and turned into the best back country summer ski season I’ve ever had, although this summer looks like it may be even better.
As an interesting side note, even during the subsequent drought years, there was only one month (Oct 2015) where I was unable to find skiable snow in the high Sierra which is at about 10-11K feet elevation. The reason was not because there was not enough or because it was too warm, but because unusually strong and frequent Monsoon rains came up the spine of the Sierra from Arizona and washed it all away.

johchi7

When the trench widened 18 feet and changed Japan by 8 feet to changed the Axis of the North Pole be several degrees. This new tilt of the Earths rotation along with the Magnetosphere rapid change as the Magentic North has moved within the last decade toward Siberia and the South Magnetic Pole toward Australia effects how the Solar Radiation passes through the atmosphere. The Equator is also tilted differently by this Axis movement. With the Magnetosphere tilted farther away from true north it’s like it’s tilting the Atmosphere that changes the Jet Streams that are effected by the Earths Terrain. Given that the last Solar Magnetic Reversal effects how Earth Orbits the Sun by billions of miles it effects our magnetosphere and therefore the Atmosphere.

Crispin in Waterloo

Johchi7
When crustal movement shifts the lithosphere the mantle and core do not shift immediately. It takes them a long time to catch up. In the interim the Earth wobbles about three axes, not one.
All is explained in the first three chapters of the poorly named book ‘Atlantis of the West – the search for Britain’s lost megalithic civilisation’. A displacement that wrought a half degree change in the tilt of the lithosphere produced massive changes in the climate, about 3300 BC. Huge cooling. It still hasn’t recovered and the wobble is still about a foot at the poles. The author surmises it was a high latitude meteor strike. The depth of the oceans changed 1000 ft in a single day at 45 deg latitude (zero at the poles and equator) due to the fact the earth spins and the oceans ‘swing’ out. The equatorial and polar radii are different by about 40 miles as a result.
The lesson seems to be that the lithosphere with the continents can move a heck of a lot more than the rest of the planet, and does.
This phenomenon explains the position and tilt of the several sea shore lines in Ireland at various elevations above and below current sea level. Prof Fairbridge from Australia also mapped E Aus shorelines and noted that 8000 years ago sea level in the E shore was two metres high than now.
The lesson? Never assume anything.

johchi7

The Magnetic North Pole was moving toward Canada then made a sharp turn to Siberia before the South Magnetic Pole started moving faster toward Australia. That would put the Core off center from the Lithosphere and therefore the Magnetosphere and Atmosphere. That the Moon and Earth Cores are Magnetic like the Sun and other planets have too, this is a kind of tug-a-war and that the mantel is fluid to plastic the solid cores are pulled toward the stronger magnetic field. You look at the moon doing ocean tides and the Core is doing the same in the mantel….like a yoke in an egg spinning on an axis would stay centered until the balance is thrown off on one end causing a wobble. With the majority of land mass in the Northern Hemisphere we have that wobble along with a larger of 3 moons that creates tides and the Core effected by the Magnetic fields of the Sun and planets and moons positions in their orbits. The point being, what created these changes to the Magnetic Poles that creates our Magnetosphere and it’s effect to our Atmosphere and therefore how the Solar Radiation enters and passes through it. The Solar Radiation at the Magnetic Poles being farther away from the Axis Poles will be changed, as well as how that tilted Magnetosphere with the Lithosphere Equator is changed. We are seeing more heat at the Equator and getting more Polar Ice that is staying longer. Cause and effect.

crosspatch

Tenaya Lake on Tioga Pass road in Yosemite is still frozen. The road is not open. National Park Service is reporting three avalanche areas are still active along the road. Plows from CalTrans and NPS have “met” at the Tioga Pass entrance on highway 120 but the road itself is still a long way from being open to traffic.

Sunsettommy

I had to turn the Heater system back on a few days ago, first time EVER in the month of June!

Pamela Gray

I was up in the Wallowas yesterday. Snowed quite hard. I have been in snow flurries in July here in the Callie’s of NE Oregon before. Nothing new.

Pamela Gray

Valleys. Damn autocorrect.

BillJ

Snowing pretty hard in Mammoth Lakes (in town not just at the ski resort which is 1,500ft higher than the town). It’s 26° at 8,900ft.
Check out the web cams:
https://www.mammothmountain.com/winter/mountain-information/cams

Over in Nova Scotia, unusually thick pack ice is trapping ships 🚢 and preventing their rescue by ice breakers.
http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/mobile/thick-arctic-ice-pack-traps-boats-triggers-rescue-operation-off-newfoundland-1.3448987#
In the second last paragraph they talk about a polar bear carcass washed ashore.
Apparently thick ice threatens them. Just like thin sea ice also threatens them. So both too little and too much sea ice is bad for this species. Poor old poleys – they must be living on a knife edge.

Try Newfoundland’Labrador. No pack ice problems off Nova Scotia.

Hudson Bay has been running a minus temp for 3 days now, while Baffin Bay area and waters to the south were running minus temps since early May. I would think that explains in part why Greenland is still running a huge above average SMB. I am certainly curious as to how that 140 Gt is going to behave during the Greenland melt season which is now at hand. I can not help but think that we are witnessing a pivotal point in the longer term trend with the many signs nature is giving over the last 5 or 6 years.

taxed

Talking of snow.
Large parts of northern Russia have been having below average temps for a month or more. Which has allowed the snow cover extent in Eurasia to be running above average over this time. lt would be interesting to find out if this extended snow cover is a factor, which has kept this area of Russia cooler then average over this time.

John in Oz

Come to sunny South Australia:

ONLY a degree or two above freezing — no wonder it’s been so hard to get out of bed in the mornings.
South Australians have shivered through a chilly start to winter, as Adelaide woke to a minimum temperature of a measly 1.7C on Sunday.
It was Adelaide’s fourth-consecutive minimum recorded below 3C, which, according to the Bureau of Meteorology, was the first time that had occurred since June 1982.
On Monday morning, it was slightly warmer, with a minimum temperature of 5.1C in the CBD.
Over the weekend, the temperatures fell below freezing in other parts of the state, with Yunta, in the Far North, recording -5.7C on Sunday morning, while Renmark shivered at -4.2C and Cummins at -4.7C.

Surprisingly, this was not caused by the all-powerful CO2 god:

“The current cold snap is due to a strong high pressure system centred over the State bringing clear skies and light winds, which are the conditions conducive to very cold nights and frosts,”

Sandy In Limousin

High pressure usually means light winds, cold usually means increased consumption of electricity. How are the windmills coping?

Ian W

The windmills are raking in the subsidies no problem there.

Michael Jankowski

Because this doesn’t fit the narrative of global warming/climate change, it must be described as “unusual weather.”
And “unusual weather” is projected to occur more often due to global warming/climate change.
Therefore this fits the narrative of global warming/climate change.

Alan McIntire

Go to this site
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/cei/graph
and check extreme weather trends for yourself. The “Without Tropical Cyclone Indicator” looked like a cherry pick red flag to me, so I selected “With Tropical Cyclone Indicator”, and got a slight, insignificant NEGATIVE trend in extreme weather.

Ian L. McQueen

Our wonderful CBC radio grabs everything possible to promote the global warming story, For the past long while they’ve been going on about the great warmth affecting the Arctic and region, Today the story was that climate change has caused alders and willows to grow farther north than usual and that beavers are now damming streams / rivers with the effect of making fishing much more difficult. Who can tell me the truth of what is really happening in the north of Canada?
Ian

ATheoK

Dress warm.
Bring good rain gear.
Don’t be surprised if it snows.
What mosquitos? Their mosquitos are rated by liters per hour.
Fishing is terrific.
Waterfowl hunting is the best in a century.
Don’t feed the bears.
Basically, the same North Canada forecast as the last fifty years; except the waterfowl hunting really is good.

Crispin in Waterloo

Ian
Quite right. The bias in the report was palpable. They omitted to mention that there are already alders and willows growing as far north as Tuktoyuktuk 100 km north of Inuvik. They are just stunted by the cold. The cold froze out the beavers but now it is warming as before.
They also neglected to mention that all that vegetation frozen in the permafrost that is going to melt and make methane, grew right where it is presently entombed in ice.
There were no frogs in the high Arctic. A leopard frog showed up at the foot of my sister’s garden and croaked alone through three summers. A sign it is livable again. With warmth, life returns to the Arctic. As before, and as it will again.

old construction worker

Heck. When I lived in Leadville Co back in the 70’s it on the 4th of July one year.

Hanrahan

During the Oroville Dam “crisis” part of the concern was that the High Sierras had 200% of the normal snow coverage. That in “the hottest year on record”. Passing strange.

High_Octane_Paine

Hanrahan:
Indeed. Purest fraud.

Resourceguy

Unless it snows in the mega city heat islands, it will not be noticed by the politically correct and impaired lemmings.

San Francisco Bay Area, 6pm Sunday had a nice rain fall. A small system passed over head. Heading East.

Alfred Palmeri

In my job in Virginia I often drove through storms but learned to abhor being snow bound crossing the Sierra into California.

johchi7

I wrote a comment this morning and no one questions or opposes what I wrote. All I’ve seen is comments of people’s local weather or places they’ve been. With very little insight to why these weather patterns have changed. What was called Winter months for the Northern Hemisphere have moved into the Spring months with later Summer and Fall months over the last several years. When you look at the past with the warming and cooling paterns lasting a few hundred year’s each and how long it took to reach their peaks before the next change, we really know nothing about why those occurred, when our science only goes back a few hundred year’s of observations. We have the hypothesis of Solar Cycles that can be seen in flora and fauna changes. We have seen the Magnetic Poles move since their discoveries. We have equipment in space to monitor all kinds of changes to Earth and other planets and the Sun. And still it’s all just guesses by scientists for the majority of what is going on. You can take any single data group and form a theory by what it says. But if it’s not correlated with all the other data from other studies we have nothing to really understand what is going on. The cause and effect that creates other causes and effects… With millions of pieces the complexity of the puzzle is forever changing. Yet the main drivers of our climate changes are not on top of Earths surface or it’s atmosphere. It starts with the Sun and our Solar System that drives our Magnetic Core that creates our magnetosphere and Atmosphere. Change one of those ever so slightly and it changes our climate.
As I wrote earlier and will elaborate them There was a Solar Geomagnetic Reversal 12/29/2013 the position of the Earth in it’s orbit when these occur changes our orbit do to how close or far away Earth is from the Sun. The Earth has been in a positive celestial north for so long it’s as if it’s now fixed. Take 2 magnets and one represents the Sun and the other our Earth. At a distance the effect is slight. Move them closer and you get an attraction or a repulsion. The planets and the Sun are in a magetic chain that shift billions of miles that are like fractions on the solar system scale. But those fractions are enough to change the Solar Radiation that passes through our atmosphere. I told about the widening of the Trench by 18 feet that moved Japan by 8 feet and changed the Axis of the North Pole by several degrees to as much as 10 degrees…that creates more Wobble because the South Pole didn’t change. The Magnetosphere protects us from some of the Solar Radiation and yet the Magnetic Poles have been moving faster in the last decade than anytime since they were discovered. Our Atmosphere follows the Magnetosphere and now the Axis Pole and those Magnetic Poles are now farther apart than at anytime since they were discovered. By those observations the Equator is wobbling more with the tilt of the new Axis. The Atmosphere is now following the new Magnetosphere farther away from true north and south axis. If you visualize the outer Atmosphere has an Equator it has now tilted with these changes over the past decade. The topography of Earth has changed with the movement of Japan and that of the mountains after the earthquake in the Alps and Himalayas after the tsunami that started in the India Trench that moved those plates. The Atmospheres Jet Streams changed with these changes because the widening of the trenches didn’t create as much subduction or orogeny to compensate for their growth. And as the air travels over the new topography it effects our weather and therefore our climate. Previous patterns were more westerly, that are now more easterly like when the Little Ice Age occurred to only effect the eastern America’s the Atlantic and Europe with it’s harshest weather during the Revolutionary War…Again after a Solar Minimum and Solar Magnetic Reversal. Does anyone have data that shows where the Magnetic Poles were during that time frame?
[Please check the accuracy of the effect of the Japanese earthquake shift on axis shift: The measurable shift was much less than “tenths of one degree” .mod]

johchi7

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It was 2011 when I read about it in a CNN article and I assume I changed 10 centimeters to degrees from years of not really thinking about it. The NASA site says 17 centimeters. Thanks for the heads up correction. i don’t do this as a profession, it’s more a personal education/hobby since my early teens 1970s when all this AGW was AGC and progressed to CC now.
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/japanquake/earth20110314.html
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html

Rod Corby

“should prepare for cold temperatures”
Temperatures are not cold, they are low–in this case. Cold is an informal measurement of the temperature, as are “quite cold”, “very cold”, “damn cold’, and “really really cold”. Marks on a thermometer are precise measures of temperature. Air is cold; temperatures are low.

John

I remember getting snowed on in June in the Rockies back in the 1970’s.

Allencic

We’ve lived in Redding for 12 years and this is absolutely the latest date that any snow has still been on the Klamath summits. Still a touch on Bully Choop (almost 7,000′) and Shasta Bally (6,200’+) on the west side of town at Whiskeytown N.R.A. Mt. Shasta to the north is spectacular with all it’s snow. Gorgeous up at the Bunny Flat parking area. Lots of snow on the north sides of the Yolla Bolly coast ranges too. Much snow in the Trinity Alps.
Just what you’d expect with global warming!

It was snowing when I visited Glacier International in mid-July some years back. It’s just the prevailing weather pattern at that latitude and elevation, with the winds coming off the northern Pacific.

Grant

Locally it snowed here near Twain Harte, Ca. at about 4000′ but didn’t stick. Had some nice thunderstorms and rain roll through yesterday evening.
This morning at 6 it was cloudy and 40. Pretty unusual. 90’s by Friday, though.

Grant

NWS predicting near record temps next Monday for the Central Valley.

David M Carson

Back in I think it was the first week of June 2011, I was about 3000 feet up in the foothills of the San Bernadino Mountains in Southern California, and we got hit with a freak snow shower. It was magical as I was at a camp with about 150 kids from South Central L.A. who had never seen snow before.

Pop Piasa

Why did you show them snow? Al Gore’s snow predictions would have been just a wee bit correct if we kept the urbanites sequestered.

TomRude

In Canada, the ever alarmist CBC is using scare tactics to justify the great climate scam. It is probably one of their way to support the freshly minted political king maker former self-declared climatologist Andrew Weaver. The deadline is not 2100 but now 2050. be afraid, be very afraid… and pass the money.
For instance, their latest http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/climate-change-in-b-c-here-s-how-2050-could-look-1.4146580 is showing how spending billions now to mitigate a climate model’s fantasy predictions will save us tens of billions later compared to the do nothing scenario… Imagine a dentist advocating you pull all your teeth now to get some revolutionary denture contraption supposed to save you dental expenses 30 years from now… Snake oil.
CBC’s Vancouver based meteorologist Johanna Wagstaffe is quoting some ad-hoc report that includes among other wide ranging claims, one about the sea level rise that reaches new depth of deception: they claim sea level is supposed to rise 30 cm in the next 30 years around the city of Vancouver, prompting all sort of expenses and restrictions on the population.
She is giving credence to a potential rate rise of 1 cm per year… While tide gauges show sea level in Vancouver to be 0.45 mm/y +/- 0.22mm over the past 100 years or so!
http://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=822-071
Beyond the complicit agitprop journalist, it is really sad to see a good Earth Sciences scientist like John Clague switch from advocating proper monitoring and research on Southern British Columbia seismic faults to become a propagandist of the climate craze. Clague must know that the only way a one foot sea level rise will occur in the next 30 years is through a major earthquake that will have nothing to do with CO2 emissions…
Sunny Ways, my friends, sunny ways… Shame indeed.

Kalifornia Kook

We live just north of Sparks, NV. I don’t know how to post pictures, but we had over 2 inches on the ground. We just moved here from So Cal, so it was a treat, even if it is 12 June 2017. Wondering what winter will be like….
We’re at 5700 ft altitude.
A week from now, the forecasted high is 95° F. Just in time for summer!

Chimp

Yosemite River rescuer from Oz warns of real threat from “climate change”, ie high water levels from melt of record snow in the Sierras:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/drowning-fears-rivers-surge-snowmelt-051714030.html

Sheri

Last night, NBC news reported on the “heat wave” in the East. (People are wimpier now because the current heat wave definition is very much cooler than I remember.) They labelled the west “Cool”. No mention of snow, nothing. Dishonesty is so prevelant it’s difficult to watch any news.

Pop Piasa

A friend who leans progressive once used the retort “facts are facts” and I replied that withholding some facts and hyping others is technically known as propaganda.

James at 48

Reminds me of late Spring ’76 … the same year we’d had sea level snow here in the Bay Area Feb. We were freezing the last day of school. High was something like 55 F.

ren
Pop Piasa

“Bathtub slosh”?

ren

In 8 days it will be very hot in the west and cooler in the east. Snow in the mountains can quickly melt.

Chimp

Eight day forecast for where I live in the Intermountain West is for a pleasant high of 83 degrees F. Pretty typical late June WX. But we’ve had unseasonal hail, snow and cold fronts.

stevekeohane

35° this am at 6600ft in the west central Rockies of Colorado.