#Losership vs. #Leadership on the #ParisAgreement on climate

There’s been a Tweet storm over the last two days regarding Trump pulling out of the Paris accord. Josh writes that he was inspired yet again by a tweet from Dilbert Creator Scot Adams.  So much so, that’s he’s created yet another editorial cartoon.

Here is the tweet:

And the resultant cartoon:

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June 3, 2017 10:28 am

June 3, 2017 10:28 am

Paris is JV. Trump is big-league.

Reply to  BallBounces
June 3, 2017 10:21 pm


Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 10:36 am

Supporters of the Paris Accord insist we should bear the burden of our forebearers’ supposed sins against the environment. That’s why President Obama entangled the U.S. in this Accord, to hobble our economy for decades and pay trillions in reparations to third-world victims of our cultural and technological oppression. Thankfully, the election of President Trump has seriously compromised this strategy.

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 10:40 am


Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 11:30 am

our forebearers’ supposed sins
I’m still waiting for the French to pay reparations for the Battle of Hastings.
And for the British Crown to make reparations for the South Sea Company collapse.
And …

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 2:19 pm

be careful for what you wish for. The USA has some nasty history just like everyone else.

M E Emberson
Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 2:59 pm

It certainly brings the South Sea Bubble to mind….http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/south-sea-bubble/
Trolls should learn a little history

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 3:13 pm

I’m still waiting for reparations for discrimination against persons of left-handedness. #leftbehind

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 3:19 pm

So we’re all to pay for our past indiscretions, as well as our predicted indiscretions? And everyone else’s?
Pathetic leftist logic. What’s happened has happened. We move on with knowledge, not recriminations.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 9:01 pm

One might also ask the Germans to pay Greece THEIR reparations from WW2 – you know, the $Billions Germany was SUPPOSED to pay but instead got to use to become a power once more.
You know, the same Germans now bankrupting Greece for being unable to pay bankers loans for things created by Corporations owned by the banks…
At least in that instance there is a direct line of debt. How the USA is somehow responsible for world CO2 is just fantasy – and given the REAL state of the world re CO2 and greening, perhaps the USA should be asking the world, who clearly believe the USA is the major source, for rewards due them for assisting the plant production on Earth? 😀

Reply to  ferdberple
June 5, 2017 6:34 am

How evil of those Germans, expecting loans to be paid back.

george e. smith
Reply to  ferdberple
June 6, 2017 7:09 am

I would like to receive a small remuneration in the way of reparations for all of the stuff that didn’t fit or didn’t work, because the Indiana State Legislature decreed that the value of Pi shall be three.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 1:46 pm

How about the developing world paying royalties for all that “technological oppression”, engineering medical etc., that originated in the West?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Chris Hanley
June 3, 2017 11:35 pm

That is what the TPP was about. Read the bits on intellectual property.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Chris Hanley
June 4, 2017 3:07 am

Methinks the Dutch should give back that land that they confiscated from the sea.

george e. smith
Reply to  Chris Hanley
June 6, 2017 7:13 am

Well Ed-Z, you chaps are always welcome to go south and visit Zealandia.
After all if Abel Tasman had stayed a while longer, you would have had a ton of land beneath the waves.

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 2:15 pm

Lets call the ‘reparations’ for what they are, “white men’s guilt”. You’ll never see a progressive protest where they request or celebrate the attendance of white men. If many thousands show up, they are just being supportive.

george e. smith
Reply to  Duncan
June 6, 2017 7:18 am

What white man’s guilt ??
Far as I know there is NOT a Congressional White Caucus ! Nor izzere a Les Razantina !
Racism is kept alive and well by self proclaimed racists.

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 2:35 pm

When are the English going to restore the lands confiscated from the Highlanders after Culloden? And that’s just for the Stewart part of the family. They owe us for the land we lost in Ireland also.

Reply to  jayhd
June 3, 2017 3:22 pm


Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  jayhd
June 3, 2017 7:58 pm

Rome out of Gaul Now!

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  jayhd
June 3, 2017 11:45 pm

Oops. You mean we have to give back Hutton in the Forest? I don’t think is going to go very well with the family. We already lost St John the Hospitaler to the National Trust because of death duties.
Actually, that means you could get the lands back by taxing everyone to death. Isn’t that how it used to be? Dang! It is getting hard to raid, plunder and keep what we find.
The ultimate class action would be for nations to sue Panama and several Caribbean Islands for sheltering renegade banks hiding all the loot. That can serve as a diversion for a while. We need space to walk the Corgis.

Reply to  jayhd
June 4, 2017 8:48 pm

Was that Stewart or Stuart?

george e. smith
Reply to  jayhd
June 6, 2017 7:34 am

Far as I remember, the people living on that land of ‘yours’ in ‘Ireland’, actually voted to not be ‘land of yours’ in Ireland.
Why would anybody name their place “Ire”- Land ??
Same deal as those “Nevada Territories”, which were swapped for US citizen’s land below the “border”.
The people living in those Nevada Territories, including those of Mexican ancestry, voted in free elections to become permanent States of the United States of America.
And as I recall, the people of British/European ancestry living on and in The Falkland Islands steadfastly declare that they do not wish to get hispanicated and somehow become a part of Argentina.
I suppose that Las Malvinas did at one time be a part of the European Spanish Colonial Empire, but they never were a part of the Country called Argentina, that eventually emerged from that Spanish Colonial Empire.
Maybe we should be paying reparations for all of the dinosaurids whose graves are constantly being raided by grave robbers.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  jayhd
June 16, 2017 9:23 am

I checked and found that the people occupying the big Island were originally from Ireland. It is interesting that when they went home to conquer and grab, there were objections. The English and Irish and Welsh are pretty much one big miserable family. The real outsiders are the Norse.
It seems that no matter how far back one looks, everyone came from somewhere else. If the copper-working Irish spread to the other islands, and probably Dogger Land, where they come from? Atlantis? It may have been on the floor of what is now the Irish Sea.
No one can ‘give back’ everything. We are going to have to accept that we are one family and we have to put up with each other from now on.

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 3:34 pm

Amen as well!

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 4:09 pm

Those ‘sins’ being everything that everybody now relies upon for practically everything in their daily world. Perhaps we should have an assets and liabilities account. Hate ‘The West’. Then no more ICE or vaccines for you. Soon put an end to the liability account nonsense I suspect.

Reply to  3x2
June 4, 2017 5:22 am

Indeed. Ledgers have two columns, Liabilities and ASSETS. To mention one without the other is, to say the least, disingenuous.
This omission of 50% of the equation can also be seen in warmist conversations about “The social cost of Carbon (dioxide). Never are the benefits mentioned. They are excluded by design.
I know who’s lying.

David Blackall
Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 4:35 pm

“Almost certainly the opening feast will take place in Paris, with a happy sample of all the world’s young scientists facing the fragrant remains of their first ever plate of foie gras, while vowing that it will not be the last.”
“For most areas of science, such an insistence would be true. But this particular area has a knack of raising questions that get more and more complicated in the absence of an answer to the ­elementary ones.”
Oh yes! How sweet it is. Clive James’ words in the Weekend Australian (newspaper) are strong acid upon weak Chinese-manufactured sheet-metal.
I wonder where Professor Tim Flannery is hiding this weekend? Flanner, Obama, Rudd, Strong, all get a caning. Thank you, Clive.

Reply to  David Blackall
June 4, 2017 5:06 am

oh dont worry
flimflam got his fatmouth onto ABC early morning radio national to whine n kvetch this morning
was around 8am or so ?
would be podcast of it
there WAS a good bit when nigel Lawson got to express his views on why it was wise to NOT go along with the climate scammers;-)

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 3, 2017 5:35 pm

And what was China’s excuse for going gangbusters with coal while U.S went flat broke? Is the West responsible for e.g. Mao’s fling that gutted China’s economy and millions of victims? To hell with that con.

Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 4, 2017 12:28 pm

We should sue the descendants of the dinosaurs for the unforgivable sin of allowing their bodies to become fossil fuels. Those birds need to pay.
This will probably be used to justify avian casualties of windmills.

Tom O
Reply to  Paul R. Johnson
June 6, 2017 12:07 pm

Obama didn’t entangle the US for reparation, he did it to destroy the country for his handlers, whoever they might be. Whether or not he failed depends on whether or not the nation wakes up from its overdose of “so sorry, I bad.” Funny. That’s a problem we share with Germany, another country that has been beating itself up for real or imagined “bad” from the past.

J Mac
June 3, 2017 10:39 am

Leadership is the antithesis of collective consensus.

Reply to  J Mac
June 3, 2017 11:09 am

“Leadership is the antithesis of collective consensus.”
I love this one.

Reply to  Kamikazedave
June 4, 2017 10:26 am

me too! I’ve been in meetings where the collective had to come to some agreement, and everyone knows a committee never invented anything functional!

June 3, 2017 10:40 am

‘Paris’ would allegedly mitigate 0.3C of warming by 2100, at a cost of tens of trillions. Truly our so-called leaders have completely lost their marbles.

Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 11:27 am

Yes, but the answer to that was “it’s just a start!”

Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 11:49 am

Red: Depends on how you look at it. Somebody…SOMEBODY…gets to rake off millions of $$ from this fraud. Our “so-called leaders” (Algore, etc) already have their snouts in the trough.

Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 11:58 am

“But think of all the jobs created!”

Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 1:20 pm

0.3F, or ~.2C (apparently, according to IPCC climate models)

Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 1:26 pm

They are sane. They just know we are stupid.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  CheshireRed
June 3, 2017 9:25 pm

They aren’t even playing with their own marbles, they’re playing with ours and losing badly!

J Mac
June 3, 2017 10:47 am

The Paris Climate Accord was a keystone of Obama’s ‘Transformation of America’.
Rejecting it was President Trump’s keystone to the ‘Liberation of America’.
(I just can’t stop grinning…. Haven’t felt this good in the last 8 years!)

Reply to  J Mac
June 3, 2017 10:50 am


June 3, 2017 10:49 am

Here’s a reply from a loser: “Germany’s powerful car industry said Europe would need to reassess its environmental standards to remain competitive after the United States said it would withdraw from the Paris climate pact.” http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-german-carmakers-idUSKBN18T1Q0?il=0
Obviously, Trump was right.

Reply to  AARGH63
June 3, 2017 2:37 pm

They need to write better programs for their cars so their cheating on emissions won’t be caught.

Reply to  jayhd
June 3, 2017 3:25 pm

That is only Volkswagen.
Of those caught.
That is, of course, not suggesting, even remotely, that other manufacturers haven’t cheated . . . .

June 3, 2017 10:49 am

There are four little words: “Climate change is real.” At first sight, they are meaningless, empty, non-binding; everyone knows that climate changes a bit all the time, in all places. What’s the big deal?
It is a big deal. Translated to plain English, these words, uttered in public — especially if they are pronounced by a well-known figure — are a credo of totalitarian green religion. They are burdened with the meaning: “I am sold out. I joined the Dark Side. I gave up, don’t hurt me. Keep financing my enterprises.”
I tried to support Elon Musk, because I sympathize with his space colonization goals. I tried to explain away Tesla as “smoke and mirrors” tactical maneuver that protected him from watermelon attacks. I tried to rationalize his use of multi-billion-dollar public subsidies as a “necessary evil” — no large-scale project can be successful in our sick society without robbing and raping the taxpayer in various ways.
But Musk uttered the Credo of the Dark Side: “Climate change is real.” For me, he is finished. It is impossible for me to justify his position, no matter how grateful I am for PayPal, no matter how excited I was when his reusable first stage laneded on sea platform, no matter how I dream of human colony on Mars… Musk sold himself out to the forces of evil, finally and irreversibly.
R.I.P., Elon Musk.

John Robertson
Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 3, 2017 11:04 am

While I concur with your opinion of the man.
Climate Change is real.
The Laurentian Ice Sheet left plenty of evidence of that, as do the fossils of lifeforms unsuited to our current climate.
CAGW , not likely.

Reply to  John Robertson
June 3, 2017 11:07 am

See the first paragraph of my post.
It’s not the words themselves, it is what they signify.

J Mac
Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 3, 2017 11:27 am

I had similar sentiments, in regards to private enterprise ultimately leading space commercialization.
However, Elon Musk chose assured government/taxpayers subsidy supports for his company over a sober assessment of the uncertainties of climate science. I suspect his corporate finances are sooooooo stretched by Tesla and battery adventures that he has little recourse, hence his rejection of any actions that may jeopardize those subsidies.
More than 30 years ago, I started my career as a R&D metallurgical engineer at McDonnell Douglas Astronautics, providing my small assistance to development of space enterprises. I have not ceded the dream that mankind will ‘leave the nest’, even yet.

Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 3, 2017 12:29 pm

The rational for Tesla is CO2 guilt . Otherwise economic efficiency would drive the market in which industrial scale wind and solar win very few niches . So if you’re anti-nuke , you haven’t escaped your CO2 guilt .
While electrics dominate the 20km up the 4300m Pikes Peak Hill Climb out here , and can make sense in Silicon Valley sprawl , hybrids are the foreseeable future for Teller County and other rural mountain regions — and he’s not in that game .
It may be coincidental , but Toyota recently sold out its remaining startup investment in Tesla .

Reply to  Bob Armstrong
June 3, 2017 3:41 pm

Actually, the rationale for Tesla is 1%-er virtue signalling at great expense. Someone I know, the type who needs to be first to have every new gadget, paid over $75,000.00 for his, not counting subsidy, of course.
Now he gets to tool around (pun intended) in a faux eco-rig that cost more than most normal people’s HOUSES, while getting “points” from the Westport, CT types for paying lip service to “carbon footprint.”
These people are so smart they’re STUPID. Good thing they only ever talk to each other!

Reply to  Goldrider
June 7, 2017 5:47 am

$75,000 houses in CT ?
Even Connecticut is hilly enough and sparse enough and the distance to NYC great enough to make Teslas make less sense . But commuting in SV , they can be a rational alternative to other $75k cars .

Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 3, 2017 2:23 pm

He’s a very clever manipulator, who may or may not believe!

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Alexander Feht
June 3, 2017 9:32 pm

Agreed, Musk’s is just another nose in the trough. Take away the subsidies and put some realistic road tax on electric cars and Tesla collapses under it’s own weight!

June 3, 2017 10:51 am

And you can not drink the tap water on Europe😳

Reply to  Sam
June 3, 2017 11:10 am

Especially when you live on America.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Roderick
June 3, 2017 11:14 am


Reply to  Roderick
June 3, 2017 12:00 pm

Solution: really long pipeline.

Reply to  Roderick
June 3, 2017 1:38 pm

What the hell are you talking about? Name one city in the country where the tap water has been proven unfit for consumption. I’m not referring to theoretical future possibilities either, but actual poisons so common in the underdeveloped nations.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Sam
June 3, 2017 11:14 am

I have to admit to drinking the tap water in several European countries. So far no ill effects

Reply to  Stephen Richards
June 3, 2017 11:25 am

Cold tap water in Iceland (it is formally Europe, isn’t it?) is the best in the world.

Reply to  Stephen Richards
June 3, 2017 12:01 pm

Yeah, but don’t you have to wait for it to melt first?

Reply to  Stephen Richards
June 3, 2017 9:50 pm

When you turn on the hot water for a shower or to wash it smells like sulfur. If you do not turn the cold water tap to full cold, the water has a sulfur taste. Wonderful people but guides preach AGW.

Reply to  Stephen Richards
June 4, 2017 1:45 am

Cold tap water in Switzerland, by far the best of the world. Not been to Iceland tho 😉

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Stephen Richards
June 4, 2017 9:14 am

Best water quality I major cities has been assessed for years. New York City is consistently the top scorer. It comes to the city from far away by huge pipelines.
Waterloo water comes 85% from boreholes and is undrinkable in terms of taste.

June 3, 2017 10:57 am

Not a single estimate of the benefits that would have come from adhering to the Paris Accord can be rationally derived, nor can those suggesting harm, by ditching it. They are wild guesstimates made by idiots with other agendas. The environment is certain to be the beneficiary by what Trump did, and from the progress and advances in technology and engineering that comes through the wise use of wealth, rather than throwing it at third world despots. And where does wealth come from? The basis of wealth lies in affordable, assured, abundant energy to fuel our factories, hospitals, schools and homes; and everything we do. Thank you president Trump, even though it will hurt me, because of the way our resident idiots in Canadian Politics, cannot take the environmental blinkers off.

Reply to  jsuther2013
June 3, 2017 11:54 am

where does wealth come from?
1. dig it out of the earth (mining, forestry, fishing)
2. grow it (farming)
3. build it (manufacturing)
Pretty much everything else simply moves money from one place to another. Green policies would shut down 1, and regulate/tax 2 and 3 out of business.
Yet when one travels the world, it is always the poorest places that are the most environmentally threatened. It is only when people have excess money that they can afford to pay people to pick up garbage on the street. Otherwise it simply collects forever.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 12:15 pm

++++++++++++… +++++++++++++… ad infinitum. Pity most don’t think that far. They get caught in their own narcissism.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 12:23 pm

Ferd. And you need energy for all of those activities you listed, or they cannot be done. ENERGY underpins everything.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 1:08 pm

You are on a roll today Ferdberple.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 1:13 pm

Unless you stake out pigs and dogs to eat the garbage, or rake it into piles and burn it. After rag-pickers have sifted through it in the Third World version of recycling.

Curious George
Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 1:14 pm

4. Organize it. Also known as redistribute it. Like bank robbers or barbarians.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 1:15 pm

And goats, of course.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 3:32 pm

The NGOs have been exerting a negative influence on mining and manufacturing in Africa since independence from colonialism. They own a big share of the poverty and misery lived by a billion people. The caveman survived because of his development of weaponry and tools with stone and development, growth and prosperity were the fruits of sophistication in development of minerals and metals. We even named the stages of development of human civilization after these materials: Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age which unlocked further resources, agriculture, industry, trade and development.
If there were ever to be real reparations, the misanthropes, anti-development Luddites, UN, World Bank, Enviros, Malthusians, evil foundations, … whose work in Africa was essentially to preserve a permanent safari for themselves and keep these people in dire straits, should be the target of a class action suit. I’ve long thought that some form of newspaper or television program freely distributed to Africa, reporting on the neo-colonial manipulations of these anti development, ugly destroyers, should be produced…conferences and talks given, etc, to let these much maligned people know the score.

Reply to  ferdberple
June 3, 2017 5:35 pm

How about:
!. Find out where to dig.
2. Move it before it spoils.
3. Invent/design it so it can be built.
4. Finance the whole dam undertaking.

Reply to  jsuther2013
June 3, 2017 11:59 am

jsuther2013: Well, gee, didn’t you just provide a few scant detail about the sources of the money that “passes through” governments to be paid as the various subsidies for so-called “renewable energies of various kinds? Just about all of us have heard at one time or another that “Money doesn’t grow on trees,” I’m sure. Well, neither can real money be magically conjured out of a magic hole in the air by “our” magicians at The Federal Reserve.
Real money is produced by viable, productive economic enterprises and in today’s world most of those enterprises are powered by the various carbonaceous fossil fuels that produce H2O molecules and CO2 molecules (both greenhouse gases) when they are burned.

Reply to  ThomasJK
June 3, 2017 12:26 pm

ThomasJK. so what was there about my comment that warranted this convoluted response?

Reply to  ThomasJK
June 3, 2017 5:04 pm

ThomasJK June 3, 2017 at 11:59 am:

Just about all of us have heard at one time or another that “Money doesn’t grow on trees,” I’m sure. Well, neither can real money be magically conjured out of a magic hole in the air by “our” magicians at The Federal Reserve.

Oh, I think it can! Where else do you imagine the $2 trillion for “quantitative easing” to bail out the “too big to fail” banks came from in 2008/9? The Federal Reserve simply invented it, just like an ordinary high street bank mostly does when it issues a loan, or a mortgage, or a credit card, or an overdraft and just like an investment bank mostly does when it issues a loan to a company for industrial/commercial development.
It’s called “fractional reserve banking”. It’s what makes bankers so incredibly rich and enables major finance houses like Goldman Sachs to acquire annual incomes that are bigger than the incomes of some nations. And don’t forget, interest must be paid on all this invented money too, which makes the private bankers even richer at the expense of the debtors who have to pay it all back.
This predatory, parasitic system of banksterism, which goes by the name of “capitalism” but is really nothing of the kind, is the reason for the US national debt having reached $18 trillion now with no possible way of its ever being paid off. In fact, it can only grow bigger because the debt at any one time can only be paid off by borrowing more money at interest under the same bankster system that created it in the first place.
Thus we can see that the principal beneficiaries of the world-wide “renewables” industry, currently estimated to be worth about $1.5 trillion, will be the banksters who are the primary sources of that amount of magically-invented money and who ultimately will expect it all to be paid back to them with interest.

exArding James
Reply to  ThomasJK
June 5, 2017 3:43 pm

Bitcoin? Virtual money will be the end of the banking hegemony maybe? The banks must be like the proverbial duck… looking calm above water and paddling like mad to figure out how to take control of cryptos!

Reply to  ThomasJK
June 11, 2017 9:34 am

exArding James June 5, 2017 at 3:43 pm:
Perhaps one cryptocurrency or another will put an end to the current banking hegemony one day, ex; who can say? But I doubt that it would take long for another hegemony with basically the same regressive Darwinian character to emerge and replace it. I think the conventional monetary system has been created as it is by human intelligence in the service of private greed and selfishness and until we free our minds from these pathological drives and create an alternative economic system that’s designed to serve the common good, I think we’ll be stuck with the bankster-system that we’ve already got in one form or another.
To my mind, the current system of banksterism is based on the following two principles:
1: The dependence of society on private sources of original, new money (i.e. private banks);
2: The capacity of private sources to charge interest on the return of the new money which they have created.
The operation of the system according to these principles automatically ensures that the private sources of new money will gradually acquire ownership of the entire world by the progressive defaulting of debtors on loans whose impossibility of being repaid is intrinsic in the design of the system.
The automatic defaulting on debts is intrinsic in the system because, by charging interest on loans, the system requires the debtors to repay more money in total than has been created and issued to them as loans in the first place. Default on debts is followed by the seizure of property, which the banksters then own while still having a community of debtors indebted to them because the repayment of the interest on the loans they have issued remains outstanding and cannot be repaid.
Thus, I think we can see the entire planet gradually becoming the private property of these greedy bankster parasites and the global human population is gradually slipping into debt-bondage to them, person by person, family by family and country by country. The green energy revolution could have been tailor-made to advance their global agenda of owning the world and ending the era of human freedom on earth, it seems to me.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  jsuther2013
June 3, 2017 3:51 pm

I might add to my blurb, I have first hand experience with the NGO plague in Africa since independence being a geologist and engineer working in the minerals sector starting in the middle 1960s with the Geological Survey of Nigeria, doing mapping, town water supply, mining exploration and development, subsequently in the private sector in Benin, Togo, Tanzania and currently in the D.R.Congo.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 3, 2017 9:55 pm

Similarly via resources sector, since the 1970s I was heavily involved with UN plans to steal Australian sovereignty by devices such as World Heritage listing. We lost large $$$ when this trick worked for them and our High Court allowed the theft, saying it was too hard a matter to decide. Of course, NGOs were all on the other side. Even one of the Judges who hurt us had been chief of the Aust Conservation Foundation.
The lesson after all those years is that the memory is not lost. After that theft, there was solid resolution to fight for the rest of my life, which I have. There is a point at which too many people have become victims, so they gain a collective voice.
This is what President Trump has seen and acted on. I welcome it.

Phillip Bratby
June 3, 2017 11:01 am

Leadership is doing what you promised in your manifesto, and doing it for the citizens, to MAGA.

June 3, 2017 11:06 am

Outstanding Josh!

June 3, 2017 11:19 am

Good cartoon. Trump apparently made the tactical decision to not challenge the models behind climate change, only attacking the economics of the Paris Accord even if the models were right. He very well might be right on that choice, as an old saying is that he who chases after two rabbits catches neither.

J Mac
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 3, 2017 11:29 am

+ 10! Just so….

Reply to  Tom Halla
June 3, 2017 12:39 pm

TH, I was originally disappointed he did not address tye schlockymscience, but after a few hours concluded what you did. The place to attack the science is in redoing the EPA endangerment finding. EPA relied on IPCC. So there are a lot of easy targets to attack. One example. Reliance on climate models when TAR said climate was chaotic and cannot be modeled. Then discrepancy between CMIP5 and tropical troposphere reality (Feb 2017 Christy testimony). Then discrepancy between model median ECS 3.2 and observational ECS ~1.65, That all gets on public record, and gets submitted as evidence when greens sue. Slower, but more solid way tombuild public understanding.

Reply to  ristvan
June 3, 2017 1:16 pm

Since the Paris accord was more about economics (the destruction of the western capitalistic system) I suspect Trump went right at the heart of it. My hope is that this outburst of independence gives him the strength and courage to stand up for some of his other campaign promises in spite of so much opposition. Particularly those about foreign policy, which, in a way, I suppose this issue is.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  ristvan
June 3, 2017 3:38 pm

We better hurry before they heat up the Tropospheric Hotspot. They know no limits or decency in their manipulations and they will have the knives out after the dumping of the Parisite Climateering Agreement.

Reply to  Tom Halla
June 3, 2017 2:04 pm

Watching Spicer’s Friday news conference confirmed that . The MSM perseveration on that issue which Trump made moot , ie : purely academic , by zeroing in on the incontrovertibly meaningless result of even total global compliance made them look willfully stupid .

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 3, 2017 8:11 pm

Trump makes no pretense of being a scientist. But he understands business and he understands deals. That being the case, he is much better at explaining why Paris is a bad deal as opposed to why CAGW is bad science, and more comfortable doing so as well. People have been arguing the scientific issues for over a decade and most of it goes over not just the average person’s head, but over most educated heads as well. Asking the simple question: “why do we have to cripple our economy and pay China and India to take even more of our jobs?” is exactly the approach the typical Trump voter will understand. Maybe some of the alarmists would understand it too if they just stopped shrieking long enough to think it over.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 3, 2017 9:40 pm

I’m with Elmer Fudd on that one. I hate wabbits!

Reply to  Tom Halla
June 4, 2017 12:47 pm

I wish he had included that Figueres quote about how the IPCC crap is not about the environment, it is about “wealth transfer”. That should be disseminated whenever possible. Far too many people seem unaware of it. Most of the AGW claims are indefensible anyway, but that comment perfectly illustrates that even if the claims HAD merit, proposed actions have little if anything to do with addressing them.

June 3, 2017 11:30 am

happy 😊 saturday

June 3, 2017 11:40 am

There’s a weird psychological loop here.
Every slightly unusual weather event will blamed on DJT and his refusal to “do something”.
I can’t imagine the series of normal events that will erase our new science disguised 21st century Devil from the public mind.
How do we get off this track?

Reply to  rebelronin
June 3, 2017 12:19 pm

“There’s a weird psychological loop here.
Every slightly unusual weather event will blamed on DJT and his refusal to “do something”.”
You can bet money on that.

Reply to  TA
June 4, 2017 1:37 am

Apparently he’s already cooling the climate in the Midwest. Currently 10degrees F. colder for the last heating period than it was for the same time last year. 😀

Reply to  rebelronin
June 3, 2017 12:22 pm

They already are !!

Tom Harley
Reply to  rebelronin
June 3, 2017 8:48 pm

How do we get off this track? Call every claim like that Trump Derangement Syndrome or Climate Derangement Syndrome Weather.

June 3, 2017 11:48 am

So how do supporters of the Paris agreement try to convince others of their point of view? Of course, call everybody names and pat themselves on the back for being such smart, good people.
Ironically, or maybe I should say typically, 99% of supporters are clueless the agreement is 100% non-binding virtue signaling, and will have about the same impact to the climate as people pulling weeds in their gardens.

Curious George
Reply to  Alx
June 3, 2017 1:34 pm

Pulling weeds is bad. It slows down carbon sequestration. Greens love weeds.

June 3, 2017 12:02 pm

Good one Josh!

June 3, 2017 1:12 pm

from AMAC site
Which of the following statements on the Paris Climate Accord do you agree with? (You may choose more than one)
The Paris deal imposed unfair targets and set America’s standards higher than those for much of the world, while giving countries like China a relatively free pass. (52%, 9,212 Votes)
Withdrawing from the Paris Accord is a win for American jobs and U.S. energy prices. (46%, 8,046 Votes)
Leaving the Paris Climate accord threatens to isolate the U. S. in the effort to curb global warming, and leaves an opening for countries like China to fill the leadership void. (1%, 162 Votes)
None of the above. (1%, 139 Votes)
Withdrawing from the Paris Accord is a mistake. I am very concerned about climate change. (0%, 75 Votes)
Total Voters: 17,634

June 3, 2017 1:19 pm

Donald Trump showed real political courage and leadership. He is going to be a great president.
Now that the United States has pulled out, how long before Japan and Russia follow our lead and pull out?
Eventually as manufacturing slowly shifts from the EU to places with lower energy costs, even countries like Germany, the UK, Canada, and Audtrailia are going to have to withdraw too. That’s probably part of why the European leaders argued so strongly for the United States to stay in the “treaty.” The European leaders know that American industry now has a huge cost advantage over European industry.
A great country can’t be prosperous in the 21st century without a manufacturing base. And you can’t hold on to a large manufacturing base in a global economy without cheap energy.

Reply to  Marty
June 3, 2017 1:20 pm

Sorry for all the typos. Just had eye surgery and still recovering.

Reply to  Marty
June 3, 2017 4:19 pm

If you look at the individual ‘contributions’ then many countries can stay ‘in’ with no loss. Exactly DT’s point. So don’t expect a massive jumping of ship any time soon.
Expect the whole thing to stagnate as the free money dries up though.

June 3, 2017 3:08 pm

Here is a story about losership from the Business Insider “Billionaire Michael Bloomberg is launching a coalition to defy Trump and uphold the Paris Agreement,…”http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-bloomberg-paris-agreement-coalition-2017-6
The story states that they have 30 cities and 3 states who plan to negotiate directly with the UN to meet the terms of the PCA. Isn’t it illegal for any state to negotiate in this manner with foreign entities?

Reply to  goldminor
June 3, 2017 3:45 pm

No one will remember this by next month. August, at the latest, when all the “journalists” head for the Hamptons.

Reply to  goldminor
June 3, 2017 4:05 pm

“The story states that they have 30 cities and 3 states who plan to negotiate directly with the UN to meet the terms of the PCA.”
What are they going to negotiate? The amount of money they are going to have to give to the UN?
This is such a farce. The alarmists are divorced from reality.

Reply to  goldminor
June 3, 2017 6:36 pm

“Isn’t it illegal for any state to negotiate in this manner with foreign entities?”
Probably, there seems to be nothing stopping them from acting alone though. If a State wishes to act as though it were still party to ‘Paris’ then it can. If everyone then moves to a neighbor State then they also have that right too. Welcome to free markets and democracy.
This is all to suggest that California can’t individually sign an international agreement but it can act as though it had. Difference being that companies can move to states where energy is significantly cheaper. Under agreements such as ‘Paris’ there would be nowhere to hide.

Jimmy Haigh
June 3, 2017 5:09 pm

When are the Norwegians going to pay repatations for all the raping and pillaging?

June 3, 2017 8:56 pm

Look at Loonie Jerry Brown and California..Wants to enter in “International Agreement with Foreign countries,, to fight Climate Change”..To fight Trump.. Just agreed to spend $ 2.6 Million dollars to build Gender Neutral Bathrooms for Cal Berkeley, this after Chancellor Napolitano was caught hiding $ 157 Million dollars from the UC System.. I think Brown really wanted to run for President, but after running Oakland into the ground, and the State of California into near bankruptcy, would have a hard go of it…Now he is having to go, hat in hand, to Trump, for 75% of the money to rebuild the Oroville Dam disaster.. I am waiting to see what FEMA rules…If it was a Natural disaster, FEMA says yes. If it was a problem of non, or deferred maintenance, FEMA will not fund.. State of California problem.. Let’s see what happens..

Reply to  MadMaxx
June 4, 2017 6:25 am

” I am waiting to see what FEMA rules…If it was a Natural disaster, FEMA says yes. If it was a problem of non, or deferred maintenance, FEMA will not fund.. State of California problem.. Let’s see what happens..”
Thanks for pointing that out. Interesting.

June 4, 2017 12:44 am

Josh, you should add a third picture with China, India and Russia congratulating each other for their zero USD and CO2-reduction pledges! That would underline the “progressive leadership” of Obama and his friends.

Peta from Cumbria, now Newark
June 4, 2017 2:32 am

I’ll admit, maybe not one of Josh’s best but otherwise, cartoons (Josh and Dilbert certainly not least) say so much more than pages & pages of verbiage. Succinct and ‘to the point’ with a touch of humour.
(btw, humour is a ‘very’ good way of getting folks to remember stuff- stuff like people, things and events. Is that why girls like/insist upon it in their mates)
My other ongoing wonderation is= Why do humans talk so much?
OK, we’re supposedly ‘social animals’ but there are plenty other social creatures that maintain their sociabilities without *incessant* babble.
(With the possible exception of the tree/house sparrows in my garden, they’re noisy little critters but I’d miss them madly and worry endlessly if they ever shut up)
So we get to Twitter. To me, its the very epitome of petty sniping and the home of Smart Alecs, keyboard-cowards and sheer, unpleasant, gross & outright trollery. Not far in front of Facebook.
What’s it all about, there’s very little to no information being exchanged, apart from an incessant urge to be the Alpha Male. or demonstrate how big your willy is while proving quite the opposite. And hence we get to see Climate Marching Girl and 50%+ of marriages ending in divorce – nearly all of those break-ups initiated by the girl.
Technology is not helping us, its driving us backwards most of the time, even before we get to Computer Climate Models

June 4, 2017 12:44 pm

For now, covfefé.

June 4, 2017 8:29 pm

We have the perfect foil picture for all their hysterical poley bears, steam stacks and exploding, schoolkiddies-
‘What climate change!’

June 5, 2017 8:10 am

I’m thankful that Trump pulled us out of that agreement, but I’m not so sure it can be characterized as leadership. Real leadership would include educating on the falsehood of global warming hysteria rather than just indicating it was a bad deal and we’d be happy to renegotiate a better deal to “save the planet.” There is no real threat to the planet from burning fossil fuels. A real leader would be willing to say that and show why it’s true.

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