Guest essay by Dave Burton
Josh Willis, of NASA JPL, has a new video out entitled, “Straw Men of the Apocalypse – How to deal with your climate change denying uncle.”
Notice that “catastrophic” is apparently not scary enough, these days. Global warming is now “the Apocalypse.”
The video starts out with two guys crawling along the parched ground under the blazing desert sun. One of them says to the other, “We’re gonna die out here, man. If only society had done more to fight climate change.” And it goes downhill from there.
There’s really nothing new in his video, nor in this article debunking it. So if you’re a “regular” at WUWT, and you’re hoping to learn something new, you needn’t bother reading the rest.
I counted eight claims in Josh Willis’s video. Let’s look at them, one by one:
Claim #1. “Record high global temperatures may have exacerbated our current situation.”
Wrong. “Global warming” mostly just warms higher latitudes. It makes harsh, cold climates milder. The warming effect at low latitudes is slight, and mostly increases nighttime lows, not daytime highs.
If those fellows are dying in the hot desert, they obviously are not at higher latitudes. Where they are, global warming is slight.
In fact, higher CO2 levels make plants more drought-resistant. So, thanks to anthropogenic CO2, deserts and near-deserts are shrinking and greening, most strikingly in the Sahel & Sahara. Even the severely politicized National Geographic admits that it is happening, though they don’t mention CO2:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara.html
Claim #2. “For the past 30 years the energy from the sun has decreased, but…”
Half true. Other than fluctuating up and down with the sunspot cycle, total solar irradiance has been very, very flat for the last 30 years. It has declined, but not noticeably until the last 15-20 years, and only slightly even then. A quick Google search finds many graphs; here’s one of them:
http://www.scisnack.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tsi_model_obs.jpg
Claim #3. “…but the Earth has continued to warm up.”
Half true. Until the just-ended El Niño, global warming had paused for about two decades. But we just had a very strong El Niño, and that pushed up the right-end of the linear fit, so that climate campaigners can now say that “the Earth has continued to warm up.” But it didn’t exactly “continue” warming, it just “blipped up” in 2015-2016, due to the El Niño.
Here’s a graph from a 2014 paper by Ben Santer (with many co-authors, including Gavin Schmidt):
http://sealevel.info/Santer_2014-02_fig2_graphC_1_100pct.png
They sought to subtract out the effects of ENSO (El Niño / La Niña) and the Pinatubo (1991) & El Chichón (1982) volcanic aerosols, from measured (satellite) temperature data, to find the underlying temperature trends. The black line is averaged CMIP5 models, the blue & red are measured temperatures, with those adjustments:
Two things stand out:
A. The models run hot. The CMIP5 models (the black line) show a lot more warming than the satellites. The models show about 0.65°C warming over the 35-year period, and the satellites show only about half that. And,
B. The “pause” began around 1993. The measured warming is all in the first 14 years (1979-1993). Their graph (with corrections to compensate for both ENSO and volcanic forcings) shows no noticeable warming since then.
Note, too, that although the Santer graph still shows an average of almost 0.1°C/decade of warming, that’s partly because it starts in 1979. The late 1970s were the frigid end of an extended cooling period in the northern hemisphere. Here’s a graph of U.S. temperatures, from a 1999 Hansen/NASA paper:
http://www.sealevel.info/fig1x_1999_highres_fig6_from_paper4_27pct_1979circled.png
The fact that when volcanic aerosols & ENSO are accounted for the models run hot by about a factor of two is evidence that the IPCC’s estimates of climate sensitivity are high by about a factor of two, and it suggests that about half the warming since the mid-1800s (used to tune the models) was natural, rather than anthropogenic.
That’s consistent with a TCR sensitivity of less than 1.0°C, which implies an ECS sensitivity of at most about 1.5°C, which most people would agree is nothing to worry about.
Claim #4. “The warming in the past century has been faster than at any time in the last several million years.”
That’s nonsense. That fallacy is a product of statistical illiteracy. Paleoclimate information, inferred from indirect evidence like marine sediments, is naturally “smoothed,” by processes which blend the evidence from consecutive decades, centuries, and millennia. As every engineer knows, when you smooth a graph, sharp fluctuations disappear. But the climate campaigners apparently don’t know that. They see a paleoclimate graph and say, “look, it took ten thousand years to change by 3°, that’s much slower than the 20th century!” But, of course, they have no way of knowing how many times it went up or down by 2° in a decade during that ten thousand years.
The evidence is very strong that there’s nothing unusual about the modest warming which the Earth has experienced over the last century. The current Modern Climate Optimum is very similar to the Medieval Warm Period and the Roman Climate Optimum, and probably cooler than most of the Eemian interglacial.
Claim #5. “With climate change threatening our way of life, your strawman argument could have apocalyptic consequences.”
That’s complete rubbish. Unless you define “way of life” as starvation, and “threatening it” as feeding people, anthropogenic climate change is not threatening anyone’s way of life. At least 15% of current agricultural production is directly due to the benefits of higher CO2 levels — probably more, actually.)
There’s no excuse for the climate activists to be ignorant of this. It is not new information. Almost all commercial greenhouses use CO2 supplementation to improve plant growth and health. This photo is from an article in Scientific American nearly a century ago! The potatoes on the left were grown with the benefit of exposure to CO2-laden exhaust gases from a blast furnace. The potatoes on the right were grown under normal conditions:
http://www.sealevel.info/CO2_fertilized_potatoes_1920.png
The best evidence is that anthropogenic climate change is modest and benign, and anthropogenic CO2 is highly beneficial to both human agriculture and natural ecosystems. That’s why I and 31,486 other American scientists signed the Global Warming Petition, declaring that:
“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
Claim #6. “The continent of Antarctica is actually losing ice, and it’s happening faster every year, driving sea-levels higher around the world.”
That’s a flat-out lie.
In Antarctica, ice accumulation and loss are very, very close to being in perfect balance. Whether Antarctica is actually gaining or losing ice mass is unknown.
This 2015 NASA study reported that Antarctica is gaining 82 ±25 Gt of ice per year:
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Based on CryoSat, McMillan (2014) found Antarctica is losing 79 to 241 Gt/yr of ice, though that was based on only 3 years of data.
Based on GRACE, Shepherd (2012) concluded that Antarctica ice mass change since 1992 has averaged -71 +/- 83 Gt/yr, which means they couldn’t tell whether it’s actually gaining or losing ice mass.
Based on ICESat, Zwally (2012) found that Antarctica is gaining ice mass: +27 to +59 Gt/yr (averaged over five years), or +70 to +170 Gt/yr (averaged over 19 years).
The range from those various studies, with error bars, is from +170 Gt/yr to -241 Gt/yr, which is equivalent to just -0.47 to +0.67 mm/yr sea-level change.
That’s equivalent to less than 3 inches of sea-level change per century. In other words, although we don’t know whether Antarctica is gaining or losing ice, we do know the rate, either way, is so tiny that it’s currently having a negligible effect on sea-level and on Antarctica’s total ice sheet mass.
What’s more, sea-level is not rising “faster every year.” Sea-level rise is extremely linear. There’s been no significant, sustained, sea-level acceleration for over eight decades, anywhere in the world.
For example, Honolulu has an excellent long measurement record, with very little vertical land movement, and a typical trend:
http://www.sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=Honolulu
http://sealevel.info/1612340_Honolulu_vs_CO2_annot1.png
Some places saw a slight sea-level rise acceleration in the late 1800s or early 1900s, but no acceleration since the 1920s. When CO2 rose above 310 ppmv, sea-level rise acceleration ceased.
Claim #7. “The bad impacts of global warming far outweigh the good ones.”
That’s the opposite of the truth. The “bad impacts” of anthropogenic CO2 emissions are all theoretical — I could say imaginary. None of them are actually detectable. The good impacts, such as gains in agricultural output, and greening of arid regions, are huge, and well-documented.
Claim #8. “There’s 97% scientific consensus.”
Most readers here know that’s nonsense. (Refs: http://tinyurl.com/clim97pct )
The “97% scientific consensus” meme comes originally from an article by Dr. Peter Doran, based on a survey which he had his graduate student, Maggie Zimmerman, send to over 10,000 geophysical scientists. They got 3,146 responses. (BTW, I bought Ms. Zimmerman’s thesis project report, so if anyone has any questions about it, do not hesitate to ask. My contact info is here: http://sealevel.info/contact.html )
It was a blatant scam. Doran didn’t just put his thumb on the scale, he drove his SUV up onto the scale, and parked it there.
First, Doran picked just two questions for their survey, both of which were “gimmies,” designed to elicit the answers he wanted, rather than to actually learn anything about scientists’ opinions. Both of those questions were so uncontroversial that even most climate change skeptics & “lukewarmers” would give the “right” answers.
Then Doran had his graduate student survey only people working in academia or government, known bastions of political liberalism. Geophysical scientists working in private industry, who tend to be more conservative, were not surveyed.
Then, after getting 3,146 responses back, for the purpose of calculating his “consensus” Doran excluded all but the most specialized specialists in climate science. (That’s like asking only homeopaths about the efficacy of homeopathy, rather than asking the broader medical community, or like asking only people working on “cold fusion” whether cold fusion works, rather than asking all physicists.)
That eliminated over 97% of the respondents.
But even that apparently didn’t get his “consensus” figure high enough. So to calculate his final “97.4%” result, Doran excluded respondents who gave a “skeptical” answer to the first of the two questions.
I’m not kidding, he really did.
The first question was:
“1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”
Those who answered “remained relatively constant” were not asked the 2nd question, and were not counted when calculating Doran’s “97.4%” consensus figure.
That’s one of the reasons that, of 3,146 responses, only 77 were used for the “97.4%” calculation.
The second question was:
“2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
Well, of course it is! That encompasses both GHG-driven warming and particulate/aerosol-driven cooling. It could also be understood to include Urban Heat Island (UHI) effects.
Since just about everyone acknowledges at least one of those effects, I would have expected nearly everyone to answer “yes” to this question. Yet 2 of 77 apparently did not.
It is unfortunate that Doran didn’t have his graduate student ask an actual question about Anthropogenic Global Warming. They should have asked something like, “Do you believe that emissions of CO2 from human activities, such as burning fossil fuels, are causing dangerous increases in global average temperatures?” or (paraphrasing President Obama) “Do you believe that climate change is real, man-made and dangerous?”
Of course, the reason he didn’t use “real” questions like that is that his purpose wasn’t to discover anything. It was to support a propaganda talking point.
That it was successful is demonstrated by the fact that people like Josh Willis continue to use that ridiculous talking point.
Dave Burton – www.sealevel.info
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Let’s hope Josh Willis joins Gavin in the former-NASA employee unemployment line here in the next few years.
Then climate change alarmism really will be their apocalypse on a personal level.
I love all these graphs it makes science denying look believable. All the graphs cannot refute the science. More co2 in the atmosphere, fossil fuel burning, stops more heat getting out of the atmosphere. This science has been around for more than 100 years. Its simple physics. No-one has disproved this. Can’t wait for the science denying replies.
For a troll you fail. First off CO2 does not STOP any heat from getting out of the atmosphere. It merely delays ( increases the residence time) a small spectrum of LWIR radiation from leaving the atmosphere.
But mostly Where in the above article did ANYBODY deny CO2is a GHG?
So you see, your one assertion was scientifically illiterate, and even that statement had exactly zero cogency to the post!
Here is some science for you 6CO²+6H²O= C6H¹²O6+6O²
Photosynthesis has also been known for 100 years or so lol only the fear mongers deny science
The immediate heating resulting from more CO2 is not a problem; it would raise the temperature only one degree or so. Greater (i.e., dangerous) temperature rises require hypothesized positive feedbacks from increased temperature. That’s NOT “simple physics.”
Steve:
You write
I refer you to real science because it seems you don’t know it.
All empirical – n.b. not model-derived – determinations indicate climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent. This is indicated by the studies of
Idso from surface measurements
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/Idso_CR_1998.pdf
and Lindzen & Choi from ERBE satellite data
http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf
and Gregory from balloon radiosonde data
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/OLR&NGF_June2011.pdf
Indeed, because climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of CO2 equivalent, it is physically impossible for the man-made global warming to be large enough to be detected (just as the global warming from UHI is too small to be detected). If something exists but is too small to be detected then it only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has effects (observation of the effects would be its detection).
Please keep to science in future.
Stop pontificating on matter of which you are abysmally ignorant. And be aware that there are many people here who can inform you of any aspect of the science of climate change so you only need to ask.
Richard
To all the comments below. Please put what you into a paper and publish it. If this disproves the greenhouse effect, which is causing human induced climate change, you could win a nobel and the 1 million dollars that goes with it. And the admiration of the whole planet. Oh wait … your are just comments not science.
More co2 in the atmosphere, fossil fuel burning, stops more heat
so?…what are you doing about it?
Steve, the burden of proof is yours. When folks like yourself go around yelling about the end of the world and demanding tens of trillions of dollars to stop it (and put an unaccountable world government in power while you’re at it), it’s not up to us to “prove” a damn thing.
Nice try.
Steve: All the DATA cannot refute the science?????? Of all the comments posted, that has to be the most telling. Had you bothered to explain why the graphs are not representative of reality, you might not have come across as completely uneducated and math illiterate. Saying to ignore data is unbelievable.
Good little troll——jump to “write a paper and publish it”. Of course, you ignore ALL published papers that disagree with your world view, so you’d still ignore “published” data. Be honest. Say: “I KNOW EVERYTHING AND YOU PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING.” There, doesn’t being honest feel so much better? Don’t you feel reassured that you cannot be wrong and never need to look at reality to double check? Now, have a nice adult beverage and rest assured your world view is the only one that could possibly be correct.
A grand total of nobody denies that more CO2 in the atmosphere will cause some warming.
The debate is on how much.
The actual science shows that the amount of warming that is being caused by CO2 is so small that it is totally swamped by natural variation.
Only a troll who’s been paid to believe that any changes caused by man are EEEVIILL ™ would get worried about it.
Steve, so you DENY the scientific measurements and data used in those graphs? And the “science” conducted by James Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, Ben Santer and NASA?
Not one atmospheric scientist on either side of the debate has ever said that atmospheric CO2 has the ability to STOP heat from escaping our atmosphere, as in to prevent that heat from ever leaving. That is a physical impossibility easily proven by the “simple physics” of calculating how long it would take life on earth to cease (because nothing could survive the cold temperatures) if the Sun went out.
If you want to argue physics, or actual scientific principles here…BRING IT. Making idiotic and easily falsifiable statements like the one above presents no challenge, least of all scientifically.
science denying replies
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anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is a scientific term, because it has a definition. Climate Change is not a scientific term, because it has no definition. It way include human and natural causes, it may include warming or cooling. There is no agreed definition used by all as there is with AGW.
Thus when you use the term “climate change” you are denying science and resorting to politics and/or religion. You cannot deny science when you are not discussing science, because the conversation is not based on science.
Roger wrote, “The immediate heating resulting from more CO2 is not a problem; it would raise the temperature only one degree or so. Greater (i.e., dangerous) temperature rises require hypothesized positive feedbacks from increased temperature. That’s NOT ‘simple physics.'”
Exactly. There are dozens of feedback mechanisms at work in the Earth’s climate system. Justifying climate alarmism requires that “positive” (amplifying) feedbacks dominate “negative” (attenuating) feedbacks, but there’s scant evidence for that.
Most alarmist climate scientists are hopelessly confused about feedbacks. E.g., some think that positive feedbacks will cause the climate system to “run away” with endless heating. Others seem to have never heard of negative feedbacks at all, or never heard of any except lapse-rate feedback.
David Appell claimed there are “hundreds” of positive feedbacks, but he has no idea what they are.
I don’t know of any climate alarmist who could even name more than two or three negative climate feedbacks, let alone who has seriously weighed the possibility that negative feedbacks could dominate positive ones.
So, Steve – not one critical comment on the content of the article? Or just blind repetition of extremely broad talking points that no skeptic refutes?
Perhaps you should learn what the skeptic point of view is… unless you’ve been indoctrinated beyond the point where learning is possible.
“To all the comments below. Please put what you into a paper and publish it.” -Steve
Steve, were you perhaps one of the reviewers of The Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct?
Steve – the physics is far from simple. CO2 is a trace gas and in a controlled environment, as tested 100 years ago, would certainly trap some heat. However in the atmosphere it has to compete with water vapour which is much more abundant and closer to the earths surface. In addition, with the exception of the 15 nm band, the infrared absorption (IR) spectrum of CO2 and water vapour overlap so water vapour would have dibs on soaking up IR coming from the earths surface. The 15 nm band would be the only region of the spectrum available for global warming however this region of the spectrum corresponds to a Planck temperature of -70 C. This is the temperature at which the intramolecular bonds of CO2 could absorb and radiate heat energy at this wavelength – so how much energy/heat would the second law of thermodynamics allow to be transferred back to the much warmer earth surface? Recent literature indicates that the effect of CO2 on global warming is logarithmic such a doubling or tripling of its concentration would have little effect of global temperatures. There is also the fact, assuming that solar activity is a constant, that any greenhouse effect would be limited by the availability of IR radiation reflected back from the the earths surface – there has been some speculation that the current amounts of CO2 and water vapour in the atmosphere are sufficient to completely soak up any available IR – so the greenhouse is already saturated.
In case you didn’t actually understand science…….
The additional Co2 would provide an additional positive forcing, not end warming, but start of equation forcing change (don’t jump ahead of yourself and make a non-science mistake). It is only one of many forcings that determine temperature, and they are both positive and negative. Additionally, these forcing do not happen in a vacuum, so any change in one forcing can, and will, cause changes in other forcings both positive and negatively. The end result (warming or cooling) can only be calculated after all the forcings and their reactions to other forcings, have been added into the system. Hence why you fail at science, if you would add in the simple Caveat “if all things remain equal”, you could have claimed that CO2 increase would cause warming and it would have been a defensible claim. But in the real world, all things do not remain equal, so you cannot make such a simplistic cause and effect claim.
Now let us wait and see how you defend your failure to adhere to any of the basics of science with your claim.
This is the same Josh Willis who originally found a slight cooling between 2005 and 2006 and was told to go ‘fix’ the problem with the data. He identified a group of XTBs which were slightly cooler and eliminated them, thus removing to cooling from the dataset.
He was basically told to ‘get with the program’ if he wanted to continue to work in climate science.
He did not also look in a similar way for any groups of XTBs showing warmer readings, which he would have done had he was objectively doing QA on the data. Neither did he consider the geographic locations of the supposedly “erroneous” XTBs. Maybe the cooler readings were a because they were in cooler water.
If anyone had any doubts about his objectivity as a scientist the video clearly shows that he has lost any objectivity he may have had.
This is text book case of the peer / professional pressure applied to anyone to finds anything but global warming and of the constant rigging of the various datasets to support the propaganda.
Greg, had to look up XTB, but found XBT (expendable bathythermograph).
Is this what you refer to?
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/
Very interesting! Thank you for this information, leafwalker & (especially) Greg.
Paul Homewood has written more about it, here:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/nasas-josh-willis-destroys-whatever-credibility-he-had-left/
One can always use this selection from the HADCRUT3 data as charted:
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr340/jaschrumpf/1895-1946_1957-2008_temperature-compare.png
Those two charts sure do resemble each other.
The alarmists want to claim that one of the temperature profiles, the earlier one, represents natural variability, because the CO2 levels were lower in the past than today, and the later one represents CAGW because of the greater amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere today, but if natural variablity caused the earlier temperature profile, then there is no reason to claim that the later temperature profile was caused by human-produced CO2 because both time periods have the same magnitude of warming. CO2 is not required to raise the temperatures to the degree measured, is what the earlier chart is telling us.
That video is fenomanal PR for us, – the climate realists!
It’s really a hit for our sake.
It’s so poorly made that it is a Turkey for the cause….
Let’s use it for all it’s worth.
Just send it to your friends on FB and ask what they think of this convincing video….
Note to producers; In the remake, have him give the guys some water ASAP . . you don’t want the savior figure to act the oblivious to reality dork like that . .
Just exactly how does two guys in clean, PINK dress shirts, sleeves rolled up, new jeans, walking shoes, and freshly shaven too… crawling through sand signify anything except half a$$ed stupidity?
Good graph. One of those graphs is corroborated by an accelerations in means sea level , the other is not. Which one is corroborated by GMSL ?
The first one is the 1957 – 2008 period. I can see the 1998 El-Nino in it!
Science Realist Uncle to AGW Cult Member Niece or Nephew —
Deal with this:
CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED.
Really, Janice that graph doesn’t prove anything by itself. There are two separate scales and by simply changing the relative positions and angle you can make them very close. Note: that such a change doesn’t change the underlying data, but it does make it look like it does. Not that climate alarmists aren’t happy to do similar things, but we should be avoiding such misleading activities.
Actually it is70 years of data and the CO2 chart is what should have happened to T according to many CAGW models.
daved46 — The graph contains meaningful and accurate information which supports my point: “CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED.” That was the simple but powerful point. You seem to have gotten a little lost in the trees and ignored the forest. Thank you, however, for making sure I use accurate information. I appreciate that.
daved46: If we follow your rule, we cannot use temperature graphs of anomolies to the tenth of a degree. These are highly misleading—the changes are imperceptible on anything but a very huge scale on a graph. What then would we graph? Do we squash the graphs down by using zero to 10 degrees on the y-axis? That would more realitically show the anamoly changes and how slight the increase is. No one would accept such graphs, probably not even skeptics.
… this any better ?
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Robert K, nice chart. It looks like CO2 is a cooling agent over those long time frames.
So, it’s no longer anthropogenic? No longer catastrophic? Am I still required by force of law (guns and scalpels) to pay the scientist, oracles, and adventurists?
Oh My God! After two bouts of vomiting after watching that totally false POS Video, I can honestly say that whatever University granted Josh Willis a Degree needs to Rescind it IMMEDIATELY! That worthless piece of AGW Propaganda only shows how devoid of substance is the AGW, or CAGW, or now maybe AAGW argument.
I’d have watched the video, but facebook wanted me to sign in. Have you ever read their terms of service?
1. We respect your privacy.
2. You own everything you post on facebook.
3. You grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook. (Or anything else we can find out about you from your friends.)
No need to sign in. Just click on full screen.
Which is why I am not on Facebook. However, you can watch the video without clicking and without being on Facebook.
Sorry, Mike, I didn’t realize that. There’s a copy of Josh Willis’s video YouTube, too, here:
And this guys looks after the ARGO data. !!!!
With this one stupid film he has DESTROYED any credibility that ARGO data may have had.
We can all rest assured that what is produced will always show a warming trend…
… even if the actual data doesn’t.
Doran is a good example of bias in surveys, both in the selection of those surveyed and in the questions used.
“About 21,000 years ago, during the last glacial maximum (LGM), sea level was about 125 meters (about 410 feet) lower than it is today” source: USGS
Therefore, the average annual SL rise since this time is 5.9 mm/yr
They are all in a tizz over calculated modern rise of 3mm/yr?
Generalizations, such as you just gave, are not helpful.
Here is a better way:
http://drtimball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Post-Glacial-Sea-Level-Rise3.png
I used WebPlotDigitzer (bookmark it!) to digitize a few points on that Wikipedia graph, to see what rates it shows.
http://sealevel.info/SLR_during_deglaciation_digitized.png
The average rate I found for the bulk of the deglaciation, as the great Laurentide ice sheet receded, 14.8K to 7.5K yrs ago, was:
(108.7 – 6.9) / (14.81 – 7.48)= 13.9 mm/yr
But during Meltwater Pulse 1A:
(108.7 – 79.0) / (14.81 – 13.74)= 27.8 mm/yr
Note that some other sources give different rates & durations. E.g., the Wikipedia article on Meltwater Pulse 1A says, “global sea level rose between 16 meters (52 ft) and 25 meters (82 ft) in about 400–500 years, giving mean rates of roughly 30–60 mm (0.098–0.197 ft)/yr.” (Yes, I am aware of the fact that there are few sources of climate-related information less reliable than Wikipedia.)
Hultquist, the propaganda video shows a rather ‘moderate conversation’ between 3 ‘prudent men’.
As an argumentation aid for alarmists.
Do you really believe your computer graphics would hold against here.
Such objections are the reason why the majority’s opinion can not be changed.
Nice try, but, that was just DUMB, not funny (that was the point, wasn’t it? had to be….).
Here. Josh. THIS is how to do a comedy film:
We didn’t listen!
(youtube — South Park)
AaaAAAAaaa!! RRbbllllllbbbblllrrblllllrrblah! RrrrBLLblllblblbllllrr! {peek}
(youtube — South Park)
#(:))
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Fine tour de force, there, Mr. Burton!
[The mods point out there is a misspelled word in that title. We can’t pronounce it, but the “b” and ‘l’ are transcribed in “RRbbllllllbbbblllrrblllllrrblah! RrrrBLLblllblblbllllrr”. And one ‘r’ is missing. .mod]
Ooooooooo. Thank — you — Mister — .Mod. LOL 🙂
Look when they run Trump out of office the sort if mindless dribble the author of this uncle pos paper will he receiving 1of the funding to further reduce the intelligence of the American people.
“How to deal with your climate change denying uncle”
Because there’s a US holiday this weekend, and many
babiesstudents will be travelling home and maybe that non-progressive, black-sheep-of-the-family, racist, homophobic uncle might be there for dinner one night.“Here’s how to survive that epic, apocalyptic confrontation even if you’re the one who ruins the meal by starting a fight by lecturing everyone at the table about ClimateChange™.”
(Sorry, the Italicans attacked while I was typing because I’m a racist. Apparently)
Try having a rule that anyone who lectures on climate change, poitics, etc will be immediately removed from the gathering and not allowed to return.
Re: the photo: starched collars and cuffs?????? Did they just come from the dry cleaner’s shop where they get special treatment if they can fake dying in the sunshine?
I have a ruler with a millimeter scale. Frankly, i can’t figure out how anyone expects me to take a loss of a minus one-half millimeter to minus two-thirds millimeter seriously in a liquid body that is constantly in motion, e.g., the sea levels around Antarctica.
And finally, when someone goes into hysterics in front of me over a 1/2 degree Centigrade change in mean temperature, when you can’t even feel it in REAL, for Pete’s sake, I just have to shake my head and go back to reading something that makes sense.
I live in the real world that says a baloney sandwich is full of nothing but baloney.
Lol, Sara — and they didn’t even BRING a canteen or the like (unless they are BOTH lying on top of theirs). Too funny. Blond man did remember to put a pen in his shirt pocket, though.
Don’t worry. Sea level rise will soon rescue them.
The pen is to write for help in the sand; smoothed of course.
“There’s really nothing new in his video, nor in this article debunking it. So if you’re a “regular” at WUWT, and you’re hoping to learn something new, you needn’t bother reading the rest.”
I think you underestimate the value of your article. It’s still a very succinct dismissal of the standard furphies which continue to be propagated in whacky warmist material. As long as the practice continues, continual debunking is the right thing to do.
Of course there was NO technology they could have used to stay alive. Just HAD to strike off across the desert in their jeans and dress shirts like they were back in the 1800’s…. {cue music from: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly — wahh-ee–wah-ee-waaaahh, wah, WAH, waaaah}. Isn’t it cute how they lie down the same way — both with head resting on right arm, turned to the left…. lol.
Reminded me of something….
One blond….. one brunette….
True Believers
(kinda sad, really — I almost didn’t post this after hearing the Jim Carrey line about “I suppose you never make a mistake,” — that was heartbreaking (not being sarcastic) taken in isolation….. but, well, I just decided it was an outlier and, so….. here ya go! 🙂
(youtube — “Dumb and Dumber”)
If CAGW were a real thing they wouldn’t need the constant barrage of propaganda.
+1
commieBob May 21, 2017 at 7:00 pm
If CAGW were a real thing they wouldn’t need the constant barrage of propaganda.
This ^^^^^^^^. They really DO protest too much.
It’s a real thing, but only the wisest and brightest and bestest can see it — the rest of us, we are not worthy…
“Let’s hope Josh Willis joins Gavin in the former-NASA employee unemployment line here in the next few years.”
Yes.
We are seeing the phantasmagoria manifestations in the run-up to the US FY18 Budget.
Keep Calm and Drill Baby Drill.
Jajajajajajajjajaja
Yeah but Al Gore, Prince Charles, the Pope and Leonardo di Caprio ALL say it’s all true! So I guess it must be, despite the evidence. Besides, being experts in the field of hyperbole, make-believe and hysteria, they would know!
Excuse the sarcasm.
Smart people don’t crawl on their bellies across the burning sands – they build aqueducts. Historic Southern California Metropolitan Water District audio:
http://www1.mwdh2o.com/Peopleinteractive/archive_07/aug_07/Disc1Side1_May13_1933SanJac.mp3
For those at NASA JPL (who ironically get their water from MWD (above)) who are hydraulically challenged, there is the alternative:
https://youtu.be/amDo-KqUjpA
This link works for the aqueduct opening ceremony:
http://www1.mwdh2o.com/Peopleinteractive/archive_07/aug_07/Disc1Side1_May13_1933SanJac.mp3
Sorry. Copy/paste challenged today.
http://www1.mwdh2o.com/Peopleinteractive/archive_07/aug_07/Disc1Side1_May13_1933SanJac.mp3
Third time, charm.
http://www1.mwdh2o.com/Peopleinteractive/archive_07/aug_07/Disc1Side1_May13_1933SanJac.mp3
Third time, charm.
Only a dude ranch greenhorn city slicker tucks his pants into his boots.
not if you’re working around a lot of fire ants, or worse, those big red biting suckers.
If there’re ticks around, if you’re smart you not only tuck your pants into your boots, you tuck your pants into your socks. Those Satan-spawn creatures like to climb, and having them climb inside your pants is much worse than having them clime on the outside.
https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/diseases/
Where does the phallic factor come into this?
Lol.
Josh Willis, of NASA JPL, has a new video – – –
Did I help pay for this?
And this: $700,000 NSF funded climate change musical?
Uff da!
John F. Hultquist asked, “Did I help pay for this?”
Good question. I wondered the same thing.
This must be Josh’s redemption after calculating the “deep ocean” wasn’t where the hiatus heat was hiding. Much to the chagrin of Trenberth.
Easy. Your climate change denying Aunt tosses out anyone who lectures on climate change. In fact, you won’t be invited in the first place because you can’t leave politics and whining out of a dinner gathering.
I see another NASA climate hacktivist raising his hand and declaring “Ooh! Ooh! Fire Me!”
Waste, Fraud, and Abuse, if taxpayer money was used…..
From the article: ““Global warming” mostly just warms higher latitudes.”
This sounds like an acknowledgement that CO2 is causing the climate to warm. There is no evidence that is the case. It’s pure speculation.
The recent El Nino’s warmth seems to be dismissed as a factor in recent arctic warming.
It was extremely hot during the decade of the 1930’s. Hotter than today. Was the heat restricted to the higher lattitudes during that time period? No, it was pretty much spread out all over the world.
During the heat of the 1930’s the whole world was very hot, not just the arctic. Why is it different today, when today is supposedly the “hottest year evah!?
From the article: “It makes harsh, cold climates milder. The warming effect at low latitudes is slight, and mostly increases nighttime lows, not daytime highs.”
The daytime highs in the 1930’s were extremely hot. I guess there wasn’t enough CO2 in the atmosphere back then to moderate it like it is claimed it does today.
The starting position that the uncle some how needs to be “dealt with” does tend to reveal the arrogant nature of their thinking.
“We’re gonna die out here, man. If only society had done more to fight climate change.”
Like Gore’s line in Inconvenient Truth Sequel. Somethinh like,
“Our children will ask of us, ‘What were you thinking when the climate screamed at you. Why didn’t you listen to what the scientists were saying?'”
Saw the trailer at the movies last week. Has anyone seen the whole dumb horror show? What’s scary is that uninformed viewers will be swayed sufficiently to become believers. For that reason, I think it would be useful to publicise a rebuttal, chapter and verse ASAP.
If people could be swayed by that junk then they would already think the earth was going to end by a meteor strike (Movie: Deep Impact), the shutdown of the pacific heat stream (Move: The day after tomorrow), run over by aliens (Countless movies).
If you have younger children ask them about the global warming excuse 🙂
Basically the young children have already worked out that global warming gets basically blamed for everything so whenever they do something wrong they just call out “sorry global warming”. It’s going to a massive problem for Climate Science going forward is they have to try and keep banging on about it and they already have become a meme joke.
Our daughters’ daughters will adore us
And they’ll sing in grateful chorus
John Willis is the guy who threw out Argo data to create a warming trend. Not even close to being a scientist.
Yes, he did; or, to be a little more charitable, he allowed his bias to find an instrumental error, such that minimal cooling was disappeared after adjustment. I’m inclined to be charitable to Josh, because I read a conversation he and Kevin Trenberth and Pielke Pere had back when Trenberth’s ‘the heat is hiding in the deep ocean’ was trending. Josh stuck to his guns that his network was good enough to have detected that much heat being transported to the deep, though Kevin refused to believe it.
But this! Let’s hope it is just an example of the super-specialist being ignorant of the state of the general debate. He couldn’t possibly believe those eight exposed points, were he to have investigated those matters personally.
Naive, or sold out? Ignorant or disingenuous, it’s always the same question, the same question.
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But neither could grasp the very simple concept that to get to the deep ocean any heat has to pass through the upper ocean first and hence must be detectable by basic physics. Their overarching anti-capitalist agenda seems to blot out all objectivity.
The grim reality is that their lunatic climate policies will kill far more than any putative warming: Those that just can’t afford to heat their homes in Winter and those whose food prices rise due to the cost of producing it.
He must know, deep down, that he is a complete idiot. How can he not? How on Earth can he imagine he stands on the moral high ground?
All three understood that the heat had to pass through the layers measured by Argo. Only Travesty Trenberth disbelieved that his desired heat hadn’t been adequately watched for.
I agree, Josh Willis appears to have sold out or been told what to say. This horseshit has to stop, and now I wonder about his custodianship of the Argo data. It is critically important information, and for him to be so uncritical in his eight points is both pitiful and dangerous. Oh what fools we mortals be, to act such, and to believe any who do.
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