Their true colors shine brightly:
This Earth Day, April 22, Earth Day Network and the March for Science are co-organizing a rally and teach-in on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. The day’s program will include speeches and trainings with scientists and civic organizers, musical performances, and a march through the streets of Washington, D.C. The crowd will gather at 8:00am, and the teach-in will begin at 09:00am.
Here’s a photo of AP’s science writer Seth Borenstein doing an interview with, er, Barney. I think. Pretty well sums up Seth’s outlook.
Godwin’s law was proven early, and this sign, pretty well sums up the insanity:
I seem to recall leftists went berserk when the Heartland institute put up a billboard with a similar meme, using the unabomber. But, apparently its OK when they do it.
Ummm….WTF?
More wackyiness:
Wow, just wow.
Seems that the Union of Concerned Scientists has a lot of hate. This is from their Twitter feed, but note they are too timid to put their organization name on any of the posters.
Losers.
Riiiight…you did it for science.
And here’s more….
I’m pretty sure that’s not 500 women:
Note the circle – looks like some of the communist worker signs of the 50’s
Umm, no.
So do environmental taxes.
Fantasy science heros:
Publicity seeking science activist Michael Mann team with Bill Nye the idiot guy:
The pussy hat is a nice touch:
This post will be updated throughout the day.
(NOTE: title was changed at 1:25PM PST to reflect the majority of the content here)
So far it looks like Woodstock, I’m sure there will be plenty of entertainingly silly memes and moments. Readers are invited to share what they find elsewhere.
and civic organizers….Obama’s going?
I remember when this was march was first proposed, I like many of us thought it would be a serious statement attended by some serious people, and as a result, that we may have to take it seriously.
And now it’s just turned into the same old far left freakshow, hasn’t it? I mean ask yourself, is there any difference at all between what’s going on today and the “Queer Dance Party” that was held in front of Mike Pence’s house a few weeks ago? Looking at the pictures, I don’t think you can see any.
The left has become a totally frivolous and anti-intellectual force devoted to stoking it’s own members egos and nothing more. And that’s all that today’s “march” is an expression of.
The left has always been about organized denial of reality. They no longer have the mass media between them and the majority of the population, to hide their worst excesses. Anyone can record them at work and post that straight to Youtube, where it will be seen by millions. Worse, they do it themselves, posting insane rants on the Internet whenever the mood takes them.
Now we can see them red in tooth and claw on the Internet, and few people like what they’re seeing.
is there any difference….nope, it’s all the same people
You could have deduced the nature of the march by knowing the day/date it was to be held…
This march and all similar is about “The Money”. Western world debt is now at a tipping point. The printers have failed and interest rates need to rise but cannot. If the Fed raises rates just 2% there will be a depression. If interest rates are not increased we face the creation of new claimant states that can only exist via the printer.
Without the gods of climate change and Gaia worship just what would all the useless part of the educated elite do? Clearly, the main issue is that they have no viable function in a healthy economy. If we want to cure this cancer of science we must direct the weak minded to more worthwhile tasks off the government payroll. Sucking on the tax purse by “government scientists” is only ok is they all stare out of a window doing nothing.
Allowing these people to do something costs more then if they do nothing. So pay them to do nothing and make sure they do nothing.
For mark g
Ooooh! Writing dirty words on a poster makes you SUCH a “revolutionary,” right? In NYC they call that, “graffiti.” Intellect optional.
Robert B..
Nice post. What ticks me off is that my taxes pay for our publicly funded universities and you can actually get degrees in this sh##t.
“All gender identities are welcome but we encourage male identifying folks to practice active listening”
In other words … ” shut the f..k up “
You need a good dose of reality. An awful lot of people here figured up front that this was organized with Soros money and that it would be a freak show.
Queer dance party looked to have a more cohesive message, to be better attended by people related to its stated cause, and to be more fun.
Really, the Dance Party at Mike Pence’s house was a much better even from conception to completion.
Comic Con had a greater number of intelligent followers
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4/19/2016, 9:21 pm
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April 22 is Vladimir Lenin’s birthday Earth Day!
I was a part of this movement on the first Earth Day in 1970. I was a recent convert to the Radical underground at the time, and the significance of 22 April 1970 was not lost on us young Communists: it was Vladimir Lenin’s 100th birthday — a day that would be celebrated by Communists worldwide.
We were well aware of the goals of the environmentalist movement: it had nothing to do with the environment. Our end goal then remains the same today among all of the various environmental causes: the destruction of Capitalism, with the United States ruled under Communism.
And the best way to destroy an economic system is to deny it the use of its own energy, and its own resources.
This is what the anti-nuclear movement, which began during my time as a Radical, was about. It is what the spotted owl controversy in the Pacific Northwest was about. It is what the so-called “ozone hole” issue was about.
And it is what Global Warming “Climate Change” is all about. And it’s the only thing it’s about. It’s the only thing it’s ever been about.
So, this Earth Day, raise a glass of beet vodka to Comrade Lenin and celebrate the Glorious World of Next Tuesday that is coming, as soon as we can get rid of all those nasty Kapitalists [spit, spit] that are oppressing us all!
Did you lift that from the People’s Cube? If so, you really should credit it, it is a great site at making fun of leftists in general. Mikhail Lysenkoman is the pseudonym of one of their most prolific posters. I usually get a good chuckle out of them, but sometimes their parody is too spot on to laugh at.
What a thrill to see my People’s Cube (http://thepeoplescube.com) Earth Day post from last year re-posted here!
Yes, *I* am the real-life person behind the avatar known as Comrade Lysenkomann.
It’s a satire site, but I marked this particular piece as not-satire. The story above is my real-life story.
And here I thought that no one ever sees or reads my stuff…
Ken, just had my first visit…bookmarked!
funny!
Are Mikhail Lysenkomann and Trofim Karl related?
From David Appell’s site: from signs at the Mall
Society should worry when geeks have to demonstrate.
Act now or swim later.
I’ve seen cleaner cabinets at AKEA.
Science is the cure for bullsh$t.
Less Invasions More Equations.
Den1al is Deadly.
Emrerical Data is Sexy.
Ice has no Agenda, It just melts.
Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood…
Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less — Marie Curie.
What do we want? Science Based Policy. When do we want it? After peer review!
Neurons not morons.
I can’t believe I’m marching for facts.
I’m not a mad Scientist. I’m absolutely furious.
Make reality great again.
E vidence
P rodences
A merical
Believe in a Scientist or a Stockholder?
No sides in science.
Science saved my husband’s life.
Knowing stuff is good. Seriouly why do I even have march for this geez.
Science is real. Trump is not.
I know science. My science is best. It’s terrific. Everyone says so.
Believe in love. Trust in data. Save the world.
so bad, even introverts are here.
and my favorite, on a Labrador Retriever:
Science Lab.
Slightly off topic but here is a gathering of people who are scared of their government in South Africa. Organised by a pastor and using social media it is expected to be 1.7m people.
https://www.goodthingsguy.com/people/massive-prayer-meeting-photos/
When did belief in good science become code words for AGW? I strongly believe in science as a seeker of truth. I just think that the Climate stuff is exaggerated. Too many people are trying to make a living from it. Remember though that because someone is rightly skeptical about this issue doesn’t mean they are inoculated from being very wrong on some others. Some of the comments about leftist and communists are as exaggerated as the belief in severe climate change.
Weather in DC yesterday: mostly cloudy, 78 degrees.
Weather in DC today: light rain, 59 degrees, chance of rain 90%
What’s the old saying? “Whom God loveth, He first chastiseth”?
God must love the Warmists, ’cause they get chastised every time out.
Rain falls on the just and the unjust, and the just crazy, alike.
Light to moderate rain, with periods of heavy rain all day in Washington DC.
53 deg F.
That’s climate justice for the stupid.
http://i68.tinypic.com/es6p7s.jpg
@joel – Is Algore around? It was 80 yesterday. 60 today.
Right now at its high for the day, 56 degrees F, with light rain.
There is a just God after all.
Snow would have been even more just however. Guess I didn’t pray hard enough.
But chiefly on the just, because the unjust steal the justs umbrellas
44°F in Concord NH @ 2:45PM; average high for today 61. I guess God really hates Warmunists.
pretty unpleasant NE wind with it most of the day too. I wouldn’t want to spend the day out in it. But then, I’m not dedicated to the proposition. Nor are my science welfare checks being cut off.
OT, but, secryn, couldn’t resist a reply:
The rain it falleth on the just,
And also on the unjust fella;
But chiefly on the just because
The unjust steals the just’s umbrella.
(Sorry.)
@ Chimp – stick around a little. The snow and record freezes in Europe are about to show up in May for the U.S. in some places. I hope it doesn’t cause the crop destruction it did in Europe.
I notice that no one is wearing anything that wasn’t made by using fossil fuels. Where are all the hand woven garments using hemp fiber and wool?
Yes , all that plastic is almost certainly “dirty” carbon. HOW COULD THEY WEAR THAT STUFF ???
They smoked all the hemp and pulled all the wool (over the eyes of the gullible).
And if Al Gore is there, will it snow?
Maybe Gore will show up and cause a snow storm.
Where did they get the pictures with clear blue skies and lots of sun? I live 30 miles from DC, and it sure weren’t like that here.
Also did anyone notice the picture of the “women scientists,” with one of them holding a sign saying “Science is not
√ -1
?
“Scientists” that don’t know I, huh? Interesting.
Yes I found it interesting a couple of signs said that (science is not sq root(-1)), seemingly completely oblivious to all of the advances in mathematics and science that have been brought about by i.
There is no “i” in Science? 😉
Try reading it as “Science is not imaginary.” (Or scince.)
Don’t mathematicians hate the word “imaginary” as referring to such numbers?
I read it as “science is not a complex number”.
Sq root (-1) is a complex number, right?
Nothing imaginary about the real world applications of complex numbers.
Yawn. I’m doing my part to add CO2 to the atmosphere. Of course, I’m flying commercial, not private, not everyone can be like Leonardo DiCaprio.
http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-how-government-twists-climate-statistics/80027CBC-2C36-4930-AB0B-9C3344B6E199.html?utm_content=bufferacd13&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Thanks for point out that video. At least some scientists are still honest. It’s a shame my browser (Firefox) wouldn’t ‘Go Back’ to here after viewing it. It just kept refreshing the WSJ page. Has anyone else noticed that problem?
Use tabbed browsing then you won’t lose this (more important and informative) page
Thanks John, I’ll give it a try.
Blatent hypocrisy, how do these marchers not recognize this?
Maybe they are brainwashed party liners that have not done any real reading up on the matter!
Let me know if you think the Warmists fit any of these descriptions:
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Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships.
Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused
The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
Mind-altering practices are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and fee
The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar�or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity)
The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society
The leader is not accountable to any authorities
The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary.
The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion
Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
The group is preoccupied with making money.
Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities
Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
The most loyal members feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
Dr. M.D.Langone and Dr. J.Lalich — Cults 101
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Checks, all the way down. And that’s why passing on facts hasn’t had an impact on the most devout. Reverse brainwashing will be the only method that works.
@G.Mawer
Are you insinuating that these idiots can read ?
You overestimate the collective IQ of Leftists.
The collective IQ of leftists is much lower than the the sum of the IQs of the individual members of the leftist collective. It is difficult to imagine Trump having been elected without these mass displays of “collective stupidity.”
Someone once claimed that the intelligence of a crowd could be calculated by taking the average intelligence of the people in the crowd, then dividing by the number of people in the crowd.
How do they not recognize that their’s is a political movement and not a scientific one? This movement breaks down into two groups manipulators and morons. You have to walk amongst them to tell them apart. The former talk like professors and lawyers (down to you) and know that CAGW is a taxpayer funded hoax and they are trying to save their meal ticket. The latter sound like undergraduates ie indoctrinated idiots with memorized talking points sans original thought. .
To the left, everything is political. So they don’t see anything wrong with politicizing science. So long as it’s their politics the science is serving.
Also, most are utterly unable to see themselves from another person’s point-of-view, so they don’t even realize how bad they look to saner minds.
p2b: Your “manipulators and morons” pretty much describes most if not all of the left wing movements from environmentalism to global warming. However, it is not limited just to the left wing, the far right tends toward that as well. Any organization founded by man eventually turns that direction, especially when there is plenty of power and/or money involved. Power and money draw different types of manipulators while the “morons” are just ignorant ‘True Believers’ that want to save the world by jumping on the latest craze. D.C. and the ‘five counties’ have mostly gone that direction, so I imagine that is the “swamp” President Trump was talking about with his “drain the swamp” objective (which should have more appropriately been “flush the swamp”).
To your point Bill Nye was on MSNBC and tried to justify the fact that the March WAS political:
Darn, I thought I had that formatted correctly! 🙂
George: I haven’t quite figured out ‘The Science Guy’ yet. I think he belongs in the ‘morons’ and ‘useful idiots’ category but I’m not sure. He could imagine he’s ‘trying to save the world’. But, I guess he might be one of the ‘manipulators’. He just doesn’t, at least to me, appear to be that smart. He seems to have fallen for the Climate Change/Global Warming fiasco hook, line and sinker.
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad”
Are we there yet?
I’d say we passed that milestone some time ago.
” I speak for the trees”!
I see they’ve moved on from the tree rings.
‘More CO2 please, I speak for the trees’
Their bark is worse than we thought.
The effect of CO2 fertilization is more and more clear and slowly recognized. The more CO2 is in the atmosphere the stronger the effect, with the time the stupidity of the current ‘science’ will become obvious
https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=greening
While wearing $$$ Nike sneakers made in sweat shops of third world countries.
In regards to trees
Many experiments have suggested that leaf tissues of living plants emit methane. Eg.
Title: Methane emissions from terrestrial plants under aerobic conditions
Authors: Keppler, Frank; Hamilton, John T. G.; Braß, Marc; Röckmann, Thomas
Affiliation: AA(Max-Planck-Institut für Kernphysik, Saupfercheckweg 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany), AB(Department of Agriculture and Rural Development for Northern Ireland, Agriculture, Food and Environmental Science Division, Newforge Lane, Belfast BT9 5PX, UK), AC(Max-Planck-Institut für Kernphysik, Saupfercheckweg 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany), AD(Max-Planck-Institut für Kernphysik, Saupfercheckweg 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany)
Publication: Nature, Volume 439, Issue 7073, pp. 187-191 (2006). (Nature Homepage)
Publication Date: 01/2006
Origin: NATURE
DOI: 10.1038/nature04420
Bibliographic Code: 2006Natur.439..187K
Abstract
Methane is an important greenhouse gas and its atmospheric concentration has almost tripled since pre-industrial times. It plays a central role in atmospheric oxidation chemistry and affects stratospheric ozone and water vapour levels. Most of the methane from natural sources in Earth’s atmosphere is thought to originate from biological processes in anoxic environments. Here we demonstrate using stable carbon isotopes that methane is readily formed in situ in terrestrial plants under oxic conditions by a hitherto unrecognized process. Significant methane emissions from both intact plants and detached leaves were observed during incubation experiments in the laboratory and in the field. If our measurements are typical for short-lived biomass and scaled on a global basis, we estimate a methane source strength of 62-236Tgyr-1 for living plants and 1-7Tgyr-1 for plant litter (1Tg = 1012g). We suggest that this newly identified source may have important implications for the global methane budget and may call for a reconsideration of the role of natural methane sources in past climate change.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006Natur.439..187K
Effects of elevated pressure on rate of photosynthesis during plant growth.
Takeishi H1, Hayashi J, Okazawa A, Harada K, Hirata K, Kobayashi A, Akamatsu F.
Author information
Abstract
The aim of this study is to investigate the effects of an artificially controlled environment, particularly elevated total pressure, on net photosynthesis and respiration during plant growth. Pressure directly affects not only cells and organelles in leaves but also the diffusion coefficients and degrees of solubility of CO2 and O2. In this study, the effects of elevated total pressure on the rates of net photosynthesis and respiration of a model plant, Arabidopsis thaliana, were investigated in a chamber that newly developed in this study to control the total pressure. The results clearly showed that the rate of respiration decreased linearly with increasing total pressure at a high humidity. The rate of respiration decreased linearly with increasing total pressure up to 0.2 MPa (2 ATM), and increased with increasing total pressure from 0.3 to 0.5 MPa at a low humidity. The rate of net photosynthesis decreased linearly with increasing total pressure under a constant partial pressure of CO2 at 40 Pa. On the other hand, the rate of net photosynthesis was clearly increased by up to 1.6-fold with increasing total pressure and partial pressure of CO2.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23994480
In summary, more CO2, more trees and more leaves. More leaves, more atmospheric methane. Is it a problem? No-one knows and few are investigating it. The simple act of Gaia Day and the government of planting trees to placate “scientists” via “mitigating global warming” by capturing carbon may cause global warming.
Methane is a strong greenhouse gas. While carbon dioxide is typically painted as the bad boy of greenhouse gases, methane is roughly 30 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas.
Methane residence time in the atmosphere is exceedingly short. It oxidizes so fast if you blink, you will miss the measurement. (only a slight exaggeration!)
I lasted about five minutes. Got better things to do.
London is far more cheerful, even ‘Mad Scientist’ is there
With Dr. Who and Krypton, it certainly looks like fiction to me.
At least Krypton Guy has a sense of humour. (I think.)
If memory serves, Superman’s father discovered that the planet was going to explode, but failed to sway the scientific consensus that was wrong and too politically entrenched to acknowledge the truth.
Hoyt is right, in the classic version Jor-El tries to tell the Kryptonian science council that the planet is doomed but the “consensus” dismisses him (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fclHBV8hMIo ). Moreover, it seems that emigration from the planet was controlled and there was no freedom of movement, much like… communist countries today.
Sadly, in the new “Man of Steel” version they introduced a narrative that Jor-Els view was the consensus, but the evil council drained Krypton’s core anyway. (By the way Krypton being destroyed by “environmental damage” instead of natural causes was another retcon fitting the modern Zeitgeist.0
Similar to how they turned the classic “The Day the Earth Stood Still” on its head with the remake. I have never watched the entire thing. It was just too stupid.
All 19 of them.
Without the free kiddies paint pots handed out it’s just a cardboard box.
A proper scientist would have carefully researched the required materials for a march and prepared them in advance. A left leaning groupie just turns up and fishes a bit of cardboard (or a whole box !) out of the rubbish skip.
Here in England (Yes, that is where they are) the words “brewery” and “pissup” can be joined in an appropriate saying.
All in all VERY disappointing – ONLY 1 LAB COAT . Poor show chaps !
Badger,
I laughed. Hugely. No risk to my monitor, as I was not holding/drinking wine!
“the words “brewery” and “pissup” can be joined in an appropriate saying.”
But plus shed loads and shed loads.
Thank you.
Auto, still smiling broadly!
“Get Schwifty”
That’s funny!
That guy gets it.
SCIENCE is a pretext….these are belligerent greedy conscienceless fools.
Joe Bastardi: The March for … What? — The Patriot Post
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/48675
[I put this on the wrong thread, so if you see it again, my mistake.]
Ohh … how a dozen or so harmless water snakes released in the midst of that crowd would help to raise the level of excitement.
LOL!! I love the idea! These folks love nature, right? 🙂
“Not even Hitler doubted climate change”. The marchers don’t doubt climate change, this puts them openly in the same league.
Yes, it does, doesn’t it?
Hey Hitler was for population control, didn’t eat meat and was against smoking…
perfect greenie..
Actually Hitler’s environmental policies would put him on the slightly more sane side of this crowd – still insane, but not out of the main of this crowd’s thought.
tgmccoy and Owen in GA
From the late 1930s on he also was increasingly on crystal meth supplied by his personal physician – think maniacal, obsessive behavior.
Underpinning the Nazi party’ line on the environment was the element of the adoration of Nature that runs throughout 18th and 19th century Germany culture. Modern day environmentalism likewise embraces Nature as a standalone “being” that needs to be adored and protected from man – and although crystal meth does not appear to be one of the movement’s mainstay drugs, environmentalism displays the same maniacal, obsessive drive, and crucially, the same totalitarian mindset.
The German scientists were very interested in creating a super-soldier, and thought they had an advantage when Temmler created Pervatin. They used Methamphetamines to invade Poland.
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/pervitin-nazi-drugs
Oh but what if you get half of the population that twice defeated you on the drug instead?
Have to say, the result of brain washing liberal left education. Boys and girls all march in step now.
They’re not really there until they can goosestep in formation like the No. Koreans. Then we know they have achieved unity. This looks more like a party run amok.
That’s the direction the wannabe totalitarians are headed:
Maybe it’s me, but I don’t find anything wrong with this goosestep.
I thought they were auditioning for the Rockettes.
Looks like a good way to distract the opposition before attacking them
Nork spies were sent to New York to buy rocket secrets from Gavin. When they got back, they said, “I thought you meant Rockettes!”
I respect debate on climate change, it’s healthy. But a President who suspects a links between Autism and inoculations is extremely worrying. There is no respected study which supports such a belief, and a mountain of good evidence to say that it is nonsense.
Unfortunately Gareth, there is NO debate allowed on Climate Change. CAGW is a Religion and a Political Movement. There is NO SCIENCE in this philosophy. Expensive Climate “Modeling” which has so far failed over 160 times to accurately predict or even approximate ACTUAL Climate Reality is proof that CAGW is a myth and has no place in Scientific Discussions.
GP,
Please try to stay on topic.
Your attempt to re-direct this thread will go nowhere. Hopefully there will be no other acknowledgement of your comment.
eyesonu
His comment is completely relevant. Trumps ignorance and distant for good science is the reason this march is happening. Perhaps you should get on topic.
It’s happening because a bunch of freeloading troughfeeders see their gravy train being derailed.
Simple Simon. Trump has more respect for REAL science than any of those marchers will ever have.
I suppose the worry regarding Mr.Trumps non-scientific beliefs are that while climate change theory can be debated, the links to ill health either way are not well demonstrated. However, when he says things that may influence people to avoid inoculating their children, people die as a result. Straight forward causation..
Many Doctors and nurses in Pakistan and other countries have been murdered by psychopaths masquerading as Taliban or other group, for trying to prevent diseases like polio from ravaging poor communities. When an influential person like the POTUS is careless with facts, he encourages people like the Taliban who say “Look, even the US president agrees with us! ”
If you are in an influential position, you should heed you science advisors and not encourage conspiracy theories known to have no basis in reality.
By the way Eyeonu, this is very much within the meaning of the thread as a scientific issue. Medical treatment is being undermined. Medical science is still science despite your protestations.
“But a President who suspects a links between Autism and inoculations is extremely worrying.”
To me, few things are more worrying than the bizarre belief that injecting toxic things directly into people’s bloodstream cannot possibly harm them . . I mean, as long as the magical incantation *Vaccine* is written on the container . .
As far as I can determine, there is no “mountain of good evidence”, just lots of CAGW clan style badmouthing of anyone who questions that other Big moneymaker.
There is no respected study
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appeal to authority. same excuse given to ignore gulf war syndrome. until the cause is known, you cannot discount the unknown unknowns, no matter how “expert” the opinion.
until the cause is known, anyone that discounts any cause is extremely worrying. for example, say the cause is a vaccine combined with some other factor. If you test the vaccine alone, you will conclude that the vaccine is not the cause, because it will show a negative result. if however you therefore conclude you no longer need to look at vaccine as the cause, you will never find the cause, because you will never test the vaccine in combination with that specific something else that is causing the problem.
“The biggest driver is waning immunity from our vaccines,” said Tami Skoff, an epidemiologist with the division of bacterial diseases of the C.D.C. “The protection doesn’t last as long as we originally thought it would.”
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/why-pertussis-is-making-a-comeback/?_r=0
Could be like antibiotics and we don’t know the full ramifications of what we’re doing for generations. In that sense the science is never settled but that’s not what the ‘vaccinate or die’ mob ever want anyone to even contemplate and you’re branded a heretic if you do. Any dissent interferes with their undying notion that more Gummint can save everybody every time and in CAGW they have the quintessential bogeyman to save us all from. Just repent your evil individualist ways and with ever more grants you will be saved by all the wise, noble folk with the placards.
Yeah, but that’s too, you know…SCIENTIFIC.
Specifically with whooping cough vaccination might even be producing more asymptomatic carriers-
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/symptom-free-carriers-may-be-spreading-whooping-cough/
“There are interacting factors — individual susceptibility, vaccination, behavior,” Dr. Althouse said. “To properly predict where we are and where we will go, we have to consider all of the interacting systems together.”
But definitely not with anything as complex as global climate and it’s all down to anthropogenic CO2 folks.
Dr. Althouse said a new vaccine — more effective than the acellular vaccine — was needed. But, he added, “until we get that vaccine, it is more important than ever to be vaccinated, and we need to keep the vaccination levels high.”
It’s that old deja vu feeling again as in- We can’t explain the decline and it’s a travesty that we can’t but naturally we have to soldier on with what we’ve come to believe in and that’s you lot cutting down on CO2.
Gareth,
I thought that it was mostly liberals who held the position that there was a connection between autism and inoculations. At least that’s been my experience.
Find a Republican on this list besides Trump, who wasn’t one when he voiced his opinion:
http://jezebel.com/heres-a-fairly-comprehensive-list-of-anti-vaccination-c-1714760128
Mostly ultraliberal Hollywood celebs.
@GP
Trump would doubtless have been ridiculed when the drug Thalidomide was used to cure morning sickness in pregnant women. Had he objected to it’s use.
Ferdberple states “There is no respected study”
I suppose that elegantly sums up why this march is taking place. Every authority on Autism across the world points out that vaccines are not related to autism, that autism can be detected at a very early stage and is likely to be related to genetics. But one one sweeping statement dismisses the sums of scientific knowledge with the idea of “Well, you never know” , something which can be also app lead to the rerun of Elvis Presley in a UFO.
Clyde Spencer, belief in a connection between autism and vaccination is not related to political belief, only ignorance. ( Trump is not a lefty)
For all you supporters of the Autism/Vaccination link, read this. Then go to all the Autism support sites, then try all the Paediatric Autism studies.
http://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/
And if he still claimed Thalidomide was not connected with birth defects, he would be ridiculed now. That in essence is what he is doing. He is ignoring mountains of evidence.
Gareth,
Link to the actual large scale, long term, double-blind tests, for any given vaccine, or there’s really no point in pretending this is about science . . The very fact that you want to discuss vaccines, in a generic sense, demonstrates how far from actual scientific evidence the whole “debate” has been dragged.
Prescription drugs are treated far more scientifically, and an educated person would prolly laugh if you linked to some talk-talk “debunking” any concerns about injecting all little kids with a wide array of them . . just to be sure ; )
Why am I not surprised you are spewing this nonsense. There are literally 100s of studies showing problems with the MMR vaccine as well as others.
The large scale studies I have seen, found no difference in autism rates among those who received MMR and those who did not even amongst populations at higher risk for autism (family member with the disorder).(N~100,000)
Maybe you would like to read what the Autism society say, or are they in on the plot as well?
http://www.autism-society.org/what-is/causes/
“Maybe you would like to read what the Autism society say, or are they in on the plot as well?”
Anyone can call their organization anything they want to, Gareth. Have you noticed mass media corps touting their new “fake news” rating systems . . Couldn’t possibly be “in on the plot”, you figure? ; )
And this post is about ‘March for Science’ . . which “debunks” any silly notions about anyone involved being interested in anything but supporting scientific research, right?
“a President who suspects a links between Autism and inoculations is extremely worrying. There is no respected study which supports such a belief”
you should google “william thompson cdc vaccine”, he, as lead author to a cdc study has confessed that he manipulated data to hide the finding that vaccines did cause autism.
Is a “respected” study one where data is manipulated to change the finding? sounds a bit like the “respected” study that hid the decline. A “respected” study is not a thing, there is only one that is good or one that is bad.
The vast majority of respected studies state that there is no connection, despite extensive and widespread studies in many countries. I would also add that you need to revisit the CDC issue.
“The vast majority of respected studies state that there is no connection”
so what about the other respected studies that find a connection.
99 studies could not locate my keys in the pond.
1 study located my keys in the pond.
where are my keys? according to you, not in the pond.
“I would also add that you need to revisit the CDC issue.”
you said nothing.
latest is no change, he still stands by his confession that he manipulated the data to hide the autism link. if the guy that wrote the CDC study is telling you that, why don’t you believe him?
“The vast majority of respected studies state that there is no connection”
And the vast majority of respected studies said stomach ulcers were caused by stress, not infection.
I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but it would hardly be the first time that the majority of scientists were wrong. Science is not a popularity contest, nor is scientific argument-by-authority particularly convincing.
In the 1990’s, I could find people who would debate the science of catastrophic climate change. It was fun, because the debate always revealed the fallacies of their arguments. Invariably, they had to retreat to invoking authority and the precautionary principle. Then I would point out all the many times that using the precautionary principle did a tremendous amount of harm, making it self-contradictory. Therefore, it was neither a principle nor precautionary.
Occasionally I would be put off by someone referencing a new study that they claimed proved their point. I would have to then find the study in question and go through it, usually finding that it didn’t support their claims at all, or was so full of caveats, assumptions and unknown variables that it hardly qualified as science.
Many science minded people were doing the same thing. That is why there are no debates about the science today. That is why they march, call names and invoke authority. They cannot win with science, because science is about truth and the truth does not support their position. That is why they are all into politics, where spin is king and vilifying the competition is considered the best way to win an argument.
Gareth
The acid test is whether he seeks good advice before formulating a policy.
My observations after recovering from intense nausea: 1. Only Socialist, anarchists, and Dumbocrats are represented in the “March for Fake Science” today. 2. No rational Climate “Scientists” were represented in speeches. 3. Trump bashing seemed to be the MAIN purpose of the “March for Fake Science” today. The 97% Consensus was widely acknowledged today – 97% of the people represented the most Ignorant of our population. 4. The “March for Fake Science” today is the most obvious indication of the Failure of Public Education, from K-College.
Ironically, the Trump-Bashing in this march may tip Trump more to the side of climate skeptics, and away from the influence of Ivanka Trump who is trying to influence her father to honor the Paris Agreement.
Noaa,
I’m not sure how much she really is trying to influence him and how much she wants to be thought doing so, so as not to lose all her liberal friends in Manhattan.
Wow, there must be like at least 200 or 300 people there. I watched some of the live stream and enjoyed the chattering teeth, which seems to be proof of the Gored effect.
I suspect that being in the public eye, they knew they had better not dress appropriately for the actual weather conditions. What stalwarts for climate change! LOL
(And in the future it should only get better.)
“Not even H….. doubted climate change”
Until his forces encountered the Russian winter (it’s always blo.dy cold), but by then it was too late
One reason Stalin trusted H!tler not to attack him before the USSR was ready to invade the Reich was that the Germans hadn’t laid up a supply of winter clothing or cold weather lubricants for weapons and vehicles. But that was not because they weren’t planning to invade the Soviet Union, but because H!tler thought that Blitzkrieg meant his forces would be in Moscow before winter.
But so much of their transport was horse-drawn, and their motor vehicles so incapable of dealing with mud, that the 20th century Germans advanced at about the same pace as the 19th century French. They also diluted their strength in the center with attacks north toward Leningrad and south into the Ukraine, and diverted their Panzer armies south as well instead of staying on the road to Moscow.
They still might have made it had Stalin not transferred Siberian divisions to the defense of the capital, which he knew he could safely do because his spy in Tokyo Richard Sorge told him about Japanese plans to attack the US.
H!tler couldn’t have known that the balmy global climate of the 1920s and ’30s was going to end in 1941/42. In 1938, English engineer Callendar thought that man-made CO2 was responsible for this beneficial warming, but realized his mistake when the early ’60s were so cold, despite even higher levels. Then he died.
Hitler and Napoleon both invaded Russia on June 22. The results were pretty much the same. They should have waited for a warmer time of year.
Dear God Chimp. How do you know all this stuff. Either you are the most intelligent man on earth or you are the best Wikipedia hound on the planet. Amazing.
@ferdberple
They relied on climate science.
Guy Stewart Callendar. good biography here –
https://hubpages.com/education/Global-Warming-Science-And-The-Wars
H!tler was also delayed six weeks rescuing the Italians from their military debacle in the Balkans. If he’d have invaded Russia in May rather than June, he might have carried it off.
HotScot,
A misspent youth. And a varied career.
Ferd,
The Soviet Belorussian offensive, Operation Bagration, also began on June 22, 1944, taking advantage of D-Day.
Pat,
As it turned out, the delay wouldn’t have made much difference. The rasputitsa, spring mud, of 1941 would have made a May or early June slog pretty much impossible anyway. The Wehrmacht needed to wait for the mud to dry.
Had H!tler concentrated on the central front, he could have gotten to Moscow, but then what? He would have had long exposed flanks vulnerable to counterattack. However had he commandeered motor vehicles from throughout occupied Europe, he could have motorized his infantry and Blitzkrieg might have worked. But at the cost of even greater suffering in France, the Low Countries and Balkans. Plus the civilian vehicles would rapidly have broken down under Ost Front conditions. Russian railroads also had a wider gauge than standard European, so they weren’t as much help as they should have been.
Since Stalin was planning on attacking H!tler, the Germans would have fared better to wait a year and let the Red Army in, then cut it off. But with Britain uninvadable, H!tler had to attack somebody. He crazily thought that defeating the USSR would bring the UK to the peace table. Then he declared war on the US, because he thought we’d be too busy in the Pacific for a two-front war, and that his subs could starve Britain out as a result. He wasn’t far off, as the “Happy Time” for the U-boats showed.
Energy,
For a Warmunista source, not a bad bio.
The cooling from the ’40s continued into the ’70s, despite rising CO2, so, had he lived, I suppose that Callendar would have considered his hypothesis well and truly falsified.
Many years ago, I met a naturalized American who had been in the German Army on the eastern front. He said what had surprised him the most was that in Russia there were no roads.
Alternative history allows for wonderfully endless speculation, doesn’t it? 🙂
I read somewhere that many of the people were eager to treat the Germans as liberators. Until the Germans started treating them worse than the Russians did.
[Much of the Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, parts of Georgia, limited parts of east Poland under USSR rule. Finland always resisted Russian attacks. .mod]
Alan,
Very few paved roads. They were deep mud in spring and fall, hard enough to be passable in later fall but covered by snow in winter.
Mark,
Yes, especially in the Baltic States, the parts of Poland and west Ukraine recently overrun by Stalin, and east Ukraine where the famine and forced collectivization had occurred. Belarus maybe a bit less welcoming. H!tler blew the opportunity to get the people on his side. Even so, lots of Baltics, Ukrainians and Russians fought for the Reich.
Seth kind of looks like eat more than his fair share of mother earth’s bounty.
Interviewing a fake dinosaur will probably be his best writing.
Perhaps he’ll get a scoop full.
Here’s the thing I’ve noticed about the so-called climate science backers: They never, ever, actually cite science. Their arguments solely center around shaming and appeal to authority. That’s it. Meanwhile the sceptics are chomping at the bit to discuss actual science. The marchers are not for science, they are for their own politics.
Btw, I note dinosaurs ruled for almost 200 million years and are currently more popular than ever. As compared to liberal politics…
Dinosaurs still rule. There are almost twice as many living avian species (~10,000) as mammalian (~5450). Birds also outnumber all their reptilian kin put together, ie their fellow archosaurs the crocodilians, the lepidosaurs (lizards, snakes and tuataras) and turtles. They’re the most speciose group of tetrapods.
So dino dominance has been in effect since the Late Triassic, in which epoch sauropodomorphs were already the largest herbivores in many environments. After the Triassic/Jurassic extinction event (~199 Ma), theropods also became the top carnivores in many if not most habitats, and ornithischians the most abundant plant-eaters.
The lady with the “Be a Mammal” sign must not know anything at all about paleontology, phylogeny or taxonomy.
Dinos: Still Dominant After All This Time!
I remember reading a science fiction essay many years ago. Poul Anderson asked, “What comes after mammals?”. The editor, John W. Campbell Jr. replied, “Man”.
“NO, humans are mammals. . Mammals have access to more energy than reptiles, What class of creatures would have more energy than mammals?”
With the advantage of foresight, Campbell could have seen Robert Bakker’s argument, and replied,
“Dinosaurs and birds”.
Alan,
But not for the Cretaceous extinction, earth probably would now harbor dinosaurs of human intelligence, whether birds or their maniraptoran kin. It is astonishing what the smartest birds can do with their reptilian brains. Scale that capability up from crow to human or elephant size, and you have one powerful biological computer. Also, they might have evolved mammalian-style neocortices.
Mammals and our ancestors, the synapsids, switched status during the Mesozoic. In the Permian, last period of the Paleozoic Era, synapsids (the amniote tetrapods previously known as “mammal-like reptiles”) were the dominant land vertebrates. But after the Triassic Period, first of the Mesozoic Era, diapsids, ie “reptiles”, replaced synapsids as top dogs (or dinos). Then we switched again after the K/T mass extinction event, although, as noted, birds still beat mammals in number of species, if not in biomass. We have the whales on our side, and of course the burgeoning human population.
In some future era, the diapsids might once again rule.
I’ve read that birds aren’t descended from dinosaurs, but rather the ancestors of birds shared a common ancestor with the dinosaurs.
“Fools are made when neurosis meets an ideology that justifies the neurosis.”
Nice to see the young lady to the mid-front has achieved the vulgarity attained by the women’s march.
Interesting similarity: the women’s march was about feminism, not about women. The science march is about politics, not about science.
And the Battle of Berkeley was about gender equality.
The chick eating knuckles was the one seen earlier throwing glass bottles?
The MSM media headlines read, “Woman Sucker-punched”
Evil or incompetent, still haven’t made up my mind.
The leftists are dirty, ugly and violent. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/antifa-terrorist-beat-bloodied-trump-supporter-bike-lock-identified-professor-video/
Gee that wouldn’t be the same gal that tweeted about getting 100 Nazi scalps before going to fight the free speech rally? The same one which now had a Go Fund Me looking to scalp the gullible for her alleged hospital bills? Note I didn’t even touch on her dubious past.
I see she’s self-censoring (sort of). I thought “real scientist” weren’t supposed to do that.
/snark
Pseudo-feminism. The REAL feminists of the 19th century actually recognized, faced, and fought real problems. Still a parallel: both marches were supposedly about faux problems that do not actually exist except in the minds of the marchers, but were really about power, money, and being anti-Trump.
You want to have a political march against Trump, fine. We all have a right to peacefully express our opinions. But for the love of heaven, have the courage of your convictions and admit what you are doing and what motivates you.
Does anyone know who funded this? And if the taxpayers are kicking in any?
Tax payers will most likely be paying for the cleanup after the “environmentalists” get finished.
Where’s Griff? Can someone pls identify him/her in the photos of loonies?
I don’t care about Griff. What about Peter Gleick?
I was looking for Mosh or Zeke !!
Proof if ever it were needed about the dangers of “Groupthink”
Shhhhhhh! Michael Mann is bloviating.
I know! That’s what he does best.
Michael Mann made an appearance to claim credit for his hockey-stick “analysis.” Denounced the “failed” attempts to refute it. Bill Nye made an appearance, too. The musical entertainment is also pathetic.
When does Moldylocks speak?
The Natural Climate Change Deniers and Junk Science supporters should all stop exhaling 2.3lbs of CO2 per person per day and drop dead, in order to reduce their Carbon footprint! LOL!
The “march for science” is mostly emotionalism subverting reason.
Their grasp of political theater exceeds their grip on reality, with 97% certainty.
Real “Science” makes correct predictions. Mann made cLIEmate change has yet to make any skillful predictions.
They predict that if they say the magic words “climate change” in their grant proposals, they’ll get funding. So far those predictions haven’t been falsified, but there’s hope they might be in future.
You have to remember that Feynman saw the same cargo cult behaviour in other realms of science and even science text books. He saw it in the risk management approach for the Challenger. The man spent most of life dealing with this BS.
In my teens as I was choosing my A-levels (Physics, Maths and Further Maths in the end) my mum asked some of the lecturers in Queens University (Belfast) what good books should I read about Physics. She worked in the catering department as a secretary so she got to know all kinds of people. The common answer was to get that book about Feynman that had just come out, Genius by James Gleick.
It’s funny how it wasn’t a text book or papers. It was a book about a good scientist and his approach. The thing that stayed with me was DISREGARD.
The Physics three volume set on Feynman’s physics lectures to a freshman class is also worth reading.
My dad bought the set, and showed me chapter 22, on Algebra. After reading that chapter , I was astonished at how easy he made elementary Algebra, up to the derivation of
Euler’s formula e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0.
I practically cried at the comparison between Feynman’s presentation and that of my high school second year algebra teacher, who made the easy difficult rather than making the difficult easy.
I also read Gleick’s book, and one item I came away with was Bethe’s ability to rapidly calculate in his head, In Los Alamos, the question of the cube root of 2.25 came up, and Bethe quickly gave the approximation “1.34” I wondered how he did that so fast. I figured that what a genius could calculate quickly, I could calculate slowly. I first thought of Newton’s approximation method using derivatives. I tried that in my head, and got bogged down. I then thought of Cauchy’s inequality theorem, realized that (a + delta)(a – delta) is always less than a^2, and got a better method than Bethe used. Multiply 3 numbers fairly close together to get 2.25, take the average, and round down. I saw 2.25 is the square of 1.5, so three numbers would be 1.5 * 1.5 * 1= 2.25 . The average of the three is (1.5 + 1.5+ 1)/3 = 1.33, which will be a little too high, so a good guess for the cube root is 1.32. The actual cube root, using my online calculator is 1.31037 + So the 1.32 I could calculate quickly in my head was a better approximation than that of the great Bethe.
I would have said 2.25^(1/3) = 1.5^(2/3) := 1 + (2/3)*0.5 = 1.33. But, your way worked better in this case.
Off Topic — sorry — but I’m curious about a sliver of news I’ve seen and wanted to know if anyone had first hand accounts. Yesterday, according to about 5 minor news sources, there were blackouts in NY, LA, and SF. Either this has somehow missed making even the local news networks or it was completely fabricated.
There was definitely a major blackout in SF in the financial district. Caused by a substation problem according to PGE.
There was a major power outage in SF, a less serious disruption in NYC and minor outages in and around LA.
http://www.businessinsider.com/hours-long-power-outage-hits-san-franciscos-financial-hub-leaving-thousands-in-the-dark-2017-4
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4433794/NYC-San-Francisco-dual-blackouts-mystery.html
http://travelwirenews.com/totally-surreal-blackouts-hit-la-new-york-and-san-francisco-63633/
I read a couple articles at SFGate, the blame was put on a catastrophic failure of a large circuit breaker. No big whoop. Except maybe that the outage was contained. That was the same cause behind the big northeast blackout in the 1960s.
The NY one had less coverage, apparently it just affected some subway signals and a temporary fix involving a generator got that going again fairly quickly.
Why do you think it warrants concern here?
April 2013 a rifle was used on a CA substation.
It would be of interest if such attacks happened in multiple areas.
Such does not seem to be the case with those mentioned here.
So, the question is legitimate. The answer is no.
rifle attack Calif substation
It did make the NBC nightly news.
I read this morning that it could be space weather. Not sure if this is true?
Media coverage so far is nothing like the reality being seen in these images and speaches.
Zombie apocalypse.
http://assets.amuniversal.com/6d750e60ff590134897f005056a9545d
Agnes is a little girl with an enormous imagination. She lives in a trailer park with her grandmother. Her only friend is a little girl named Trout, who lives next door. Trout is a realist.
https://twitter.com/RennaW/status/855800301256937472
That’s why we know that climate science today is bad science.
What will all these idiots say when this thing collapses?
They will just dive into the next “great cause” and go on like this never happened.
I say that even good Presidents lie about “scince”!
bad presidents lie
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if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor
read my lips, no new taxes
I did not have sex with that woman
except maybe for washington, who was one of the first presidents of the US, name a president that didn’t lie.
I’ve been reading up on presidential biographies lately. It’s astonishing how history textbooks can make fascinating history seem boring.
Most texts leave out the story of Washington;s first visit to the Senate to discuss a treaty with the creek nation. He occupied the presiding officer’s chair while Senate President John Adams sat at the desk assigned to the Senate’s secretary. Intimidated by Washington’s presence, senators found it difficult to concentrate on the treaty’s provisions as Adams read them aloud. After hearing the contents of several supporting documents, members decided they needed more time. An angry president spoke for the first time during the proceedings: “This defeats every purpose of my being here!” One source says that in a later private conversation with a member of his staff, Washington said, “I’ll be damned if I ever waste my time going there again.”, ,
Although he returned two days later to observe the treaty’s approval, he conducted all further treaty business with the Senate in writing.
As no precedent had been set, Adams thought he ought to keep Washington’s cabinet. He used to get in heated arguments when he would tear off his powdered wig, slam it on the floor, and swear at members of his cabinet.
Sign me up for the “March For Spelling”!
Me to !
Apparently she never heard of the settled science of stomach ulcers and how the lone “denier” was ridiculed and denied funding for the research that overturned the old model.
Obviously meant Climate Seance
Or as Griff puts it, client science.
When you see posters like this, references to a certain 1930’s German and kryptonite you know you are dealing with fools.
These are the same people who will defend Obama’s lies because it was necessary to get the legislation passed.
Well they did limit the speakers to a couple minutes each – the only positive thing I heard.
Last speaker: Christiana Figueres kind of wraps it up as to what this is all about.
Didn’t allow one skeptical scientist to speak. Same old same old…It figures…
“Didn’t allow one skeptical scientist to speak.”
Is that a call to violence?
D’oh. I read “Don’t allow one…” and thought it was said by Figures.
We should have never given these fools the right to vote
That’s what they say about us.
I wonder how many of these people make a living by studying climate change.
Judging by their two leaders, Mann and Nye, evidently none of them.
I find it interesting that GMU’s geology department organized a field trip for this morning…to Shenandoah Valley to look at geological formations and fossils. One professor sent multiple emails about the trip to her students, but never once made reference to the climate march in class or in emails. No clue about the rest.
The biology and college of science list servs were rather silent as well. There may have been a single email about a couple of environmentalist clubs organizing rides, but nothing within the last several days. Not exactly pushing the agenda.
Looks like some people at the university retain some sense…though this post will probably get the lot of them thrown into indoctrination camps.
Whoops. Neglected to say: I suppose some people are still capable of studying past and present climate without succumbing to groupthink and/or becoming zealots.
Some of you may be old enough to remember her 😉
I have a beef with her complaint!
I know who it is!
It is a young Hilary Clinton.
LMAO – she was better lookin back then, eh? Relatively speaking, of course.
Bread and circuses.
You mean bread and sciences.
You’ll also notice how these groups all align together with the communists, socialists, anarchists, terrorists, abortionists and feminists. Such a peaceful bunch, and all want our tax money because their ideas will not stand alone or pass the sniff test.
Eeewwww…….Sniff test. Id rather not sniff that lot thanks.
*Duckhomie 1128 am : I agree with most of your list but not the “abortionists”. While abortion might be messy, it is also defensible.
Ian M
Killing children is never defensible.
…Wow !! These people are simply insane !! They should not be allowed to walk the streets of America unaccompanied !!
Tragically, they were accompanied, by each other.
Nature loves CO2. So much so it sucked up 90% of it. Man to the rescue by burning fossil fuels. When that runs out, we can burn limestone which is where 90% of the CO2 has gone. Personally, I’d be in favor of building regulations that require the use of more concrete.
What we are seeing is the zealots of a new religion. Been happening for thousands of years.
“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.” Voltaire
The marchers are fools.
Fox News interviewed William Happer a little while ago about the “March for Science” and Happer said CAGW was a religion not science. Leland Vittert, the Fox host seemed a little taken aback by Happer’s bluntness.
I think Happer – maybe it was another non-climate-zombie official, though – was on CNN (up against 3 doomers, of course) and the
boat anchor…anchor… hostbot cut him off in the middle of a response to one of the clowns’ absurdities. Also of course.The problem with democracy is that every idiot has an opinion. Me included. Let them have their hissy fit, and they will think they have accomplished something. Monday will be business as usual…The Dr. Man will be back to lying thru his teeth about climate science.
Simon says turn the science integrity issue on its ear.
Simon says attack the fact checkers of political climate science.
Simon says repeat next week on another political topic.
“I love science so much I take it up the butt ! ”
Classic. Must be about the most convincing argument for AGW I have ever heard.
These sanctimonious liberals really love themselves, don’t they?
Yea, you are definitely correct there. The thing they hate most is being born an American, being relatively wealthy, living in a free market system and maybe having had children. Their carbon footprint keeps them up at night.
On the other hand, they don’t hate any of things enough to actually give them up.
If you display a sign that uses vulgarities, you are probably be a science marcher
If your livelihood depends on government grants, you are probably a science marcher
If you think silencing the opposing point of view is proper, you are probably a science marcher
If you think climate model output are facts, you are probably a science marcher
If you think only your opinion is correct, you are probably a science marcher
If you flew on a jet to get there and then carry a sign denouncing fossil fuel use, you are probably a science marcher
If you jet back home feeling that you helped save the Planet, you were definitely a science marcher
These are “scientists?” There is 0.00% chance man would have ever walked on the moon if these “scientists” had worked at NASA. This group looks like a bunch of theater major dropouts that got Ph.D.s is at some liberal arts college in some social “science” like Women’s or Black Studies. The degrees these people hold most likely aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
I consider Engineers scientists.
co2islife – while I think your statement (“I consider Engineers scientists”) was meant as a compliment, today’s “March for Science” makes this engineer less than happy with the comparison. Yes, we take a lot of science courses to become engineers, but then we break off and become a lot more practical.
Von Braun’s PhD was in physics, but obviously his career was more as a rocket engineer than physicist.
Pickering, JPL director during the moon program, was also a physicist rather than an aeronautical or aerospace engineer. Born in New Zealand, his PhD was from Caltech. But he too worked largely as an engineer, in his case EE involved with rocket telemetry.
Debus, first director of the Kennedy Space Center, however had a German PhD in EE rather than physics.
James R van Gaasbeek April 22, 2017 at 12:33 pm
Applied scientists working in private enterprise aren’t all that different from engineers.
The “scientists” who threaten the world are the bureaucrats who “work” for government and the drones who publish worse than worthless “research” papers in academia.