Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The green Toronto Sun has finally noticed the gross carbon footprint hypocrisy of the jetset leaders of the environmental movement.
Trudeau’s cheap talk on climate change
If the PM expects Canadians to sacrifice to fight global warming, let him lead by example.
IRST POSTED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 14, 2017 03:53 PM EST | UPDATED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 14, 2017 03:59 PM EST
If you want to understand the impact of climate change polices on ordinary Canadians and how detached our political leaders are from what they are doing by imposing them, think of this every time they say “carbon pricing.”
Think of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau flying in on the Aga Khan’s helicopter to the billionaire’s private island in the Bahamas, part of his greenhouse-gas spewing winter holiday with his family and Liberal friends.
Then think of him returning to Canada to hear a tearful mother and grandmother on his “meet the people” damage control tour in Peterborough Friday tell him her skyrocketing electricity and fuel bills have driven her into energy poverty.
This even though, partially disabled, she said she works 15 hours a day and makes almost $50,000 a year.
That, in a nutshell, is the issue, because it suggests Trudeau doesn’t think he has to change his lifestyle to fight climate change, but ordinary Canadians do.
This even though the decisions he’s making about carbon pricing and to “phase out” the oilsands as he put it Friday — infuriating many Albertans whose economy is on life support — will change everyone else’s.
Now think of the rich, globe-trotting gurus of global warming from Al Gore to Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Read more: http://www.torontosun.com/2017/01/14/trudeaus-cheap-talk-on-climate-change
In my opinion the hypocrisy of Trudeau, Gore and DiCaprio is a perfect illustration of the kind of world the green movement wants to build – a world of brainwashed low tech drudges toiling away in their fields and mines, while the new green aristocracy soars overhead on their way to their jetset holidays and conferences.
Update (EW): Several commenters have pointed out the Toronto Sun is not a green publication.
Update 2 (EW): Fixed a typo in the title.
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Fix the spelling in the title and Bob’s your uncle!
WHAT!? … oh right, uncle … well OK possibly.
What does Uncle Robert have to do with anything?
That’s Mr. Uncle Robert to you! 😉
You know you are being scammed when the ones selling the cure aren’t taking the remedy when they have the same disease….
Little Potato’s response to the grandmother who complained about energy poverty was to say that the federal carbon tax hasn’t even kicked in yet, so she can blame Kathleen the Great’s the provincial government for her predicament. Basically, he told her to get ready for an even bigger kick in the teeth when he gets done with her. Good retail politics, eh?
But Kathleen’s former behind-the-scenes green guru is now Little Potato’s puppet-master, so it is a distinction without a difference, really. Under the guidance of Gerald Butts, the Ontario government has made a complete hash of the energy market: our generating capacity is almost double the peak load requirements, but we keep buying more capacity and some of it is the most expensive in the world. Then we sell the surplus at a loss to businesses in Michigan, Ohio, and NY, directly subsidizing the closest competitors to Ontario’s manufacturers…. You can’t make this stuff up.
Grant :The long game, I trust you know, is to build up electrical capacity so she can shut down natural gas heating and in one fell swoop be the first jurisdiction to have zero carbon power. Steven Harper (Conservative) kept us safe from this global scam all those years when he was alone in a lefty world. He even kept us out of the economic collapse that befell all other G20 Nations but he couldn’t hang on to one of the stupidest electorates there is.
Sorry Gary but while Harper was the prime minister, parliament passed a carbon tax law and it was stopped by the Canadian senate (who Andrew Coyne says is a useless do nothing entity that should not exist) :
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/17/canadian-senate-kills-climate-change-bill/
Have I properly interpreted the comments of some Canadian relatives in understanding that Pierre The Red Junior is now a little on the nose in the Provinces?
Seemingly forgotten from the “It’s not my fault” claim is the FACT that Trudeau has FORCED EVERY PROVINCE to initiate a carbon tax or compatible alternative (e.g. cap & trade).
The Canadian electorate is not stupid. Thanks to the lefty politicians, Canada is overrun with immigrants – legal and otherwise. The plan was clearly to open the floodgates to an army of prospective welfare recipients under the PC, goody-two-shoes name of “multiculturalism”. This was deliberately done to change the profile of the Canadian electorate to ensure that politicians like Trudeau and his coterie of lefties would maintain their grasp of power. This was achieved by numerous types of “vote buying” under the guise of “social welfare” and other cunning handouts. With a vast number of “multiculturals” combining with those Canadians on welfare, the conservatives had little chance. The threat from the left was implicit – “a vote for conservative values means you will lose your gravy train grant!!” Concurrent with this, the media were complicit in a major propaganda campaign to justify all of these programmes which handed out tax-payers hard earned money. Like the UK, the civil service, teachers and government departments were gradually peopled with those who held similar views. It was interesting to watch over the years how most Canadian kids were indoctrinated into the lefts insidious ideas. This plan has been executed in many western countries by the left and nowhere has it failed more dramatically than in the UK. It is just possible that Trump may succeed in reversing this process in the USA. But there is no doubt – time is running out.
Every time I read a piece on the elites like this it brings to mind the Pigs in Animal Farm..
Hey, it’s just not right to take away Santa’s sleigh.
Of course there’s Green Party of Canada leader and federal MP Elizabeth May who stated that but for human activity the planet would be into cooling now and on the way to the next ice age.
Elizabeth May? What are her qualifications in Climate Science?
And how does she explain what caused pre-Holocene Ice-Ages?
Anyway, I suppose it’ll play well with the Hobbit-brained electorate in her constituency in the S. Gulf Islands of B.C.
I can remember Justin’s daddy Pierre when he was on the Canadian throne.
Lucky Pierre didnt stay there that long because he might have invented anthropogenic global warming given time.
Go Justin – you air head.
Although I am a Kiwi I lived in Canada during the first Trudeau reign.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Mick Jagger remembers Daddy Pierre’s missus.
One wonders about DNA tests?
Well at least I am better looking than Mick Jagger (who isnt) but I never met Margaret Trudeau 😉
The lad hasn’t got the Jagger lips though
Actually it was Fidel Castro who remembered Pierre’s missus (until recently assuming room temperature). What we have now is actually a Prime Minister Justin Castro.
Mick Jagger remembers Daddy Pierre’s missus.
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Ah, the story that maggie was pregnant by jagger (or was it castro). For sure, it wasn’t true dough.
“Lucky Pierre didnt stay there that long because he might have invented anthropogenic global warming given time.”
Pierre was in far too long. As a point of interest Maurice Strong, who was a close Trudeau family friend, is credited with inventing anthropogenic global warming.
Good point, I bet he is a member of the Club of Rome as well:)
http://green-agenda.com/index.html is worth a read.
Cheers
Roger
Credited? I think he should be debited..
moi aussi, Roger. Escaped from Canada (back to Australia) before Pierre finally descended into chaos …
johnrmcd,
What were you doing in Canada then?
I was a ski bum.
Cant beat the Canadian winters and them Canadian Rockies I would say:)
Cheers
Roger
Trudeau senior was the 3rd longest serving Prime Minister in Canada. He liked to spend other people’s money and his son is very similar.
Multiple thumbs up!!!!
At his Town-Hall “meet & great the proles” sessions, he answers everything as if he were addressing himself in the mirror (perhaps his favourite pose?) … pure pablum, no answer!
Tru-deau’ly a man of style, NOT of substance!
Yes, indeed, he casts HimSelf among the Glitterati … not the hoi polloi, despite His ‘pitch’ to contrive the image of ‘Man-of-the-People’.
All Hat, No Cattle.
Schitzree says: ” All hat, no cattle!” Love it!
In Toy-Boy, Sunny-Ways, Trudeau’s case, we Canadians wd prefer it if there were something of substance under the hat, apart from a vacuum.
It is a pity the hypocrite.com website isn’t available.
A nice long list of these people might be handy for the future crimes against humanity charges.
What about hypocrites.com?
“The green Toronto Sun has finally noticed…”
This is really silly stuff. It is not the Toronto Sun expressing its view. It is columnist Lorrie Goldstein, who has been campaigning against all things green since forever. Recent titles:
“Not even Wynne government knows real cost of cap-and-trade” Jan 7 2016
“Cap and trade catastrophe” Dec 312, 2016
“Health-care talks just theatrics” Dec 19 2016
“Trudeau, the anointed one” Jan 8 2016
“Trudeau’s carbon price sends our jobs to US” Oct 18 2016
You get the idea.
“Silly”??
The fact that it’s an op-ed presum’ly means that the “Toronto Sun [is] expressing its view.” Otherwise she wdn’t get published.
Nick Stokes — I have no time for blinkered, tunnel-vision correspondents like you. For the finger you point at Lorrie, you point 3 back at yourself.
Sure ,,, we get the idea about your blinkered and dogmatic opinions, Nick!
‘Nuff said …
Actually…the Toronto Sun is what would be considered the alt-right newspaper. It is most certainly not a ‘green’ anything, with many columnists routinely criticizing many ‘left-wing’ principles like refugee policy, climate change, etc… The author of this post mis-categorizes this publication as green, and NS correctly points that out. Further…The piece is a regular column, and not an op-ed. And the columnist should be referred to using the pronoun ‘he’, not she.
“the idea about your blinkered and dogmatic opinions”
OK, now just imagine someone heading an article “WUWT says this is really silly stuff”.
It isn’t an op-ed. Its a bog standard diatribe against Trudeau and greens of the kind you’ll see there two or three times a week. Here is a recent list. That isn’t the “green Toronto Sun” speaking.
Lorrie is a he.
The Sun papers in Canada are not that green. The writers are quite critical of AGW and the carbon tax.
Nick Stokes January 14, 2017 at 6:01 pm
Nick, LORRIE GOLDSTEIN, is an editor. he has been with the paper since 1978, as a reporter.
michael
Mike,
The spin of this WUWT post is
“The green Toronto Sun has finally noticed the gross carbon footprint hypocrisy”
Lorrie Goldstein writes an opinion column. If he speaks for the Toronto Sun, then it isn’t “green” and it hasn’t “finally noticed”. Goldstein has been writing these anti-Trudeau anti-green diatribes for ages.
Nick Stokes January 14, 2017 at 6:51 pm
“anti-green diatribes” No Nick. The Op- Ed is pointing out the true nature of of the “Political” greens.
Unless you are saying its just spiffy for Mr Trudeau to maintain an extravagant wasteful lifestyle while the most venerable of citizens have their life ruined by the policies he champions.
I don’t think you do. (I hope)
michael
not Hypocricy but rape!
Nick, do you really feel the need to defend the UTTER HYPOCRISY of any of the top climate mouthpieces??
Yes… It seems that you do. !
“do you really feel the need to defend”
Not defending anyone. Just pointing out that the “green Toronto Sun” is not as advertised.
“Nick Stokes January 14, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Not defending anyone. Just pointing out that the “green Toronto Sun” is not as advertised.”
An advertisement is a lie? Bit like the BoM, CSIRO and all MSM in Australia, no?
Nick
Let me give a more nuanced view from Waterloo (our Waterloo MP is a national Minister in Trudeau’s Cabinet – I received a calendar from her today and we were both members of IGR so she is a nice lady.)
Trudeau said, during the election, multiple things to multiple audiences reflecting multiple positions on multiple issues. No one has any idea where he personally stands on much. He supports a carbon tax because Vancouver wants one. He also supports it because the Premier of Ontario wants one. No one else wants one. Manitoba and Saskatchewan don’t want one at all and will take it to the Constitutional Court (where Trudeau will lose) if the Feds impose one. The reason is the Feds can’t impose on one province a tax that is not imposed on all provinces, and the cooperating provinces don’t even have the same kind of tax let alone a similar rate so whatever is imposed on those two will be different. Quick judgement.
In short Trudeau supports whatever the audience in front of him supports. “You know that thing you believe? Well I believe that too!” He is truly a man of his many words.
Now, is there something wrong with that? Why not support what the people want? So far the people have supported far-ranging green hypocrisy from one ocean to the other. They scream green, drive cars and heat their homes with gas and diesel. Well, he supports all that too, just like the average Beaver.
The greens don’t complain about their own hypocrisy, why should he? And why should columnists at the Sun? Being Green isn’t about not being a hypocrite, any more than being Blue or Orange or Red is. It is about getting elected. We are all, therefore, the supporters and well-wishers of our elected governments. They are all basically the same because they reflect the will of the Canukian people, which is to have our cake and eat it too, and the cake of the next three generations. What, me worry? (Alfred E Neuman is a Canadian.)
1. Canada does nor have a “Constitutional Court.” The challenge would probably go to the Federal Court, Trial Division.
2. It is far from clear that the Feds would lose this challenge. The environment is a concurrent jurisdiction; both the federal and provincial governments have authority to enact laws in that domain, but Federal laws have paramountcy insofar as they conflict.
3. The principle that the Federal government government cannot impose taxes on one province that it does not impose on all is new to me. They can certainly impose taxes that have disparate regional impacts. They can collect “payroll taxes” to fund federal programs like employment insurance and the pension plan in some provinces but not others (Quebec). Moreover, the carbon tax the PM is proposing is merely a default option for the provinces; if a province has its own carbon tax or equivalent, they may be “exempt” from federal collection agencies but not from the goal of the federal program. There is surely enough here that a friendly judge could rule in the fed’s favour.
Dear Mister Crispin,
I love your comments no matter where in the world they are from. I’m not sure how you can just jump on, at a whim, and write such lucid posts.However, I must vehemently protest your arrogation of Alfred E Neuman, who is quintessentially a product of American humor. Then again, if a bunch of leftists haters lime Lena Dunham and others threatened to invade Canada, i can see why you would prefer A.E.N.
Thank you for your consideration. And to Nick, the Patriots beat the Texans tonight. That has about as much relevance as vapid defense of the GW hypocrites.
Watching (American) football, lots of errors, not taking time to correct. Hopefully, lighthearted sarc is understood. G’night.
“There is surely enough here that a friendly judge could rule in the fed’s favour.”
Perhaps. But it would just accelerate the breakup of Canada. Every year the Liberals are in power, the West has less and less reason to remain part of the country.
Nick rightfully points out that the Sun is not a green media centre. That correction made, however, further discussion should focus on the issue, which is the hypocrisy of the green leaders. Trudeau also led the largest national delegation to Paris – more 200 if I recall correctly – quite the party. He also gave some $2.5B to the green climate fund at the UN, which would have built one hellava lot of needed houses on our reserves. Instead, King Justin riles up our First Nations against energy development and talks about shutting down Canada’s greatest source of the wealth that sustains First Nations. How stupid is it to approve a pipeline and then talk about shutting down what goes through the pipeline. Duh. The article left out Suzuki who is enjoying the millions he made off the CAGW cart. We also were blessed with Jane Fonda last week. I sense a growing dissatisfaction among Canadians. Maybe our moment will come down the road.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/lifestyle/pint-sized-alfred-e-neuman-canadian-lookalike-basking-in-the-spotlight-1.2893852
–Bad News
Crispin in Waterloo
You say “Trudeau said, during the election, multiple things to multiple audiences reflecting multiple positions on multiple issues. No one has any idea where he personally stands on much. ”
Trudeau is, therefore, a late Blairite. Edging into an Obaman.
Auto, saddened that electorate are sometimes gullible. Human, but gullible.
Grant Brown
Thanks for the correction on the court. I had to guess quickly.
I agree with this:
“They can certainly impose taxes that have disparate regional impacts.”
That is the essence of Ross McKitrick’s recent article on the marginal cost of public funds. Did you see it? It is really good. Placing a uniform cost of carbon with kill $6.30 of economic activity in Ontario for every carbon dollar beld out of the corpus publcius. The damage in Alberta will only be $1.40 per carbon bleed dollar. Is that fair? Rather tax Albertans four times as much so they suffer the destruction of their remaining wealth generating capacity in line with the Eastern bastards freezing in the wind-generated dark.
For the other commenters below, thanks and all noted. I will be in Jakarta next week. I have been going full blast over on the ‘EPA Busted’ article today. If you read there you will get some idea what I actually do as I waft around the world.
Nick, if there was a WUWT article asserting that water was wet and the sky was blue, you would post some waffle trying to discredit it.
+ very many. When Mr Stokes enters a discussion it’s usually my cue to quit reading because I hate to see a man continually making a fool of himself.
You’re good at math, you’re not good at politics. Stuff it.
Oy vey, just responded before reading the rest. Nick, did it ever occur to you that you might actually be wrong on something?
“you might actually be wrong”
Well, apparently not on this. The post has been amended.
“Nick Stokes January 14, 2017 at 9:25 pm
Well, apparently not on this. The post has been amended.”
Or adjusted?
“Or adjusted?”
Homogenised!
> “Nick, you are better than this”
No, actually he’s not. “Look, a squirrel over there !” is his modus operandi for years now. Or, as Steve McIntyre says: Racehorse Nick.
Green,finally. ROFLMAO.And yes Nick, I get the idea. Times are changing. And from the looks if it, even you aren’t surprised.
if=of.
Well, you get the idea 🙂
“Times are changing.”
There’s no change here. Goldstein has been railing against Trudeau and greens since forever.
Thanks to Goldstein the backlash is perhaps less sudden in Toronto than it was in the US.
“Not defending anyone. Just pointing out that the “green Toronto Sun” is not as advertised.”
You are right, the Toronto sun is a paper of the people not the elites. Should that be the take away from the post? Nope, it is just a distraction.
Nick
Best you stick to your knitting, not the political/social slant of Canadian media. The Toronto Star like the Globe and Mail is a strictly politically correct newspaper – including on establishment green and man-made climate change positions- that editorially is several big notches left of center. The main difference is that the G&M is the home of the bien-pensant leftish elite while the Sun aims far lower on the social totem pole into blue collar territory.
The various Lorrie Goldstein articles reflect the reality that most news outlets allow some rogue slightly off-the-reservation writers [the G&M has people like Wente] in their midst – gives them a veneer of “impartiality”.
The titles of the Goldstein’s articles you reference are all spot-on. The Federal-provinces health talks were Grade A BS window dressing and Trudeau is the ultimate example of the born-into-the-1% elite – he has papa Pierre’s looks and his mama’s brain capacity, and if he keeps up his antics of drinking coffee at Tim Horton’s supposedly to reconnect with the common folks while a tornado is getting ready to hit Canadian-US trade with tens of thousands of jobs at risk, not only will he be compared to Nero who fiddled while Rome burned, but his green hypocrisy and no cojones will bring Western Canadian populism and separatism back to life big time.
In particular, Goldstein is right about the disastrous uber- green Ontario energy policies including cap-and-trade, which make Germany’s “energiewende” look like a walk-in-the-park, and which have resulted in Ontario electricity prices 300% higher than in neighboring Michigan. With what Trump has in store with his Border Adjusted Tax [tariff really] this spells catastrophe for the Ontario based car manufacturers and various plastics industries.
So yes, both Trudeau and Ontario’s premier Wynne are deluded ideological greenwash hypocrites and the Toronto Sun was right in calling him out.
tetris,
We are talking about the Sun, not the Star. The Star is definitely lib-left, not so the Sun.
Nick,
Really? So that’s your big observation, that the Sun isn’t really “green”? Isn’t that just nit picking? And how, exactly, does that make content of the column “silly”? Pretty weak Nick, even for you.
“Lorrie Goldstein, who has been campaigning against all things green”
Are you suggesting Lorrie Goldstein has been campaigning against CO2?
NASA results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect
I really have to pay more attention. I normally skip comments by Mr. Stokes.
Seriously Nick!?
You pull a classic “Ad Hominem” against a newspaper article as your straw man?
Thereby, sliming the man also slimes his articles?
Yah yah, shoot the messenger, then all is goot.
Anyone who reads published articles by a man so evil must also be evil? So commenters supporting Goldstein must, by implication, also be shot?
And you follow up by actively defending your muck attacks against an author, who you apparently dislike.
It isn’t enough, that freedom of the press and speech allows open minded publications taking opposite to politically expedient positions?
It is the sheer gall and tenacity of such authors, that causes you to double down on specious ad hominem attacks just based on the man and some titles of his articles.
Is the article wrong?
Are “in the spotlight” famous activists, like Trudeau and ‘what’s his name’ DiCap?? somebody, hypocrites regarding their gold spoon lifestyles? (I was going to use just DiCap’s first three letters, but that didn’t read very well.)
What have these superstar activists personally changed in their lives?
What brings to their superstar lives suffering for allegedly evil carbon dioxide equivalent to working disabled mothers trying pay electrical bills?
Let alone any Canadian who falls into lower earning levels?
Perhaps, Canada could require that wealthy “climate whatever” activists, turn down or off their heat during high electrical grid demand days/weeks?
Canada should also mandate that privately owned indoor swimming pools remain unheated year round.
“So commenters supporting Goldstein must, by implication, also be shot?”
Wow! That’s building something out of nothing. I didn’t “smear” Goldstein. Obviously I don’t agree with him, but all I did was point out that the column wasn’t “finally” noticing. He’s been writing this stuff for years. Forty years, he celebrates here. And that removes the point of the article, which takes a routine Goldstein column based on Trudeau taking an overseas holiday and a lady complaining about her electricity bills, and boosts it as greens seeing the light. Without that, it just isn’t newsworthy. Happens almost every day.
And we can expect such articles and interactions to occur more frequently; as long as the elites allow the commoners access, eh?
“Really silly”
Goldstein – campaigning
bog standard diatribe – two/three times a week
“Goldstein has been writing these anti-Trudeau anti-green diatribes”
“Goldstein has been railing against Trudeau and greens since forever”
“Wow! That’s building something out of nothing. I didn’t “smear” Goldstein.”
Should we discuss the building something from nothing point first? As in “Nick Stokes” building something against an author he disagrees with?
Silly stuff, campaigning, bog standard diatribe, diatribes, railing are all such helpful positive words with warm social intentions?
No! They are negative aspersions with malicious intent.
They constitute smears, fully intended as slap-downs, each and every one.
You, Nick Stokes are purposely using inflammatory wordings to smear an author, whom you disapprove. Your open use of the smear wording leaves it to the audience with implication that anyone who appreciates the author or his writings is also in incorrect.
Green is an adjective.
Adjectives and adverbs are not the subjects of articles.
Again Nick, you twist cherry picked words in effort to give your word assaults small merit.
The world is not full of English specialists who write like Feynman or James Taranto. It is full of normal people writing and talking with colloquial terms.
If you want to nitpick adjectives, modifiers or even nouns, stick to the literary blogs that still argue Shakespeare or the similar reality of Homer as a single or plural authorship.
Yes, the WUWT author above amended his title, the point of the article is unchanged; hypocrisy of elitist greens.
In a way, your verbal assaults on the author and his newspaper have perhaps caused more people to take offense regarding green hypocrisy as they re-read the article.
“Really silly”
Goldstein – campaigning
bog standard diatribe – two/three times a week
“Goldstein has been writing these anti-Trudeau anti-green diatribes”
“Goldstein has been railing against Trudeau and greens since forever”
“Wow! That’s building something out of nothing. I didn’t “smear” Goldstein.”
Should we discuss the building something from nothing point first? As in “Nick Stokes” building something against an author he disagrees with?
Silly stuff, campaigning, bog standard diatribe, diatribes, railing are all such helpful positive words with warm social intentions?
No! They are negative aspersions with malicious intent.
They constitute smears, fully intended as slap-downs, each and every one.
You, Nick Stokes are purposely using inflammatory wordings to smear an author, whom you disapprove. Your open use of the smear wording leaves it to the audience with implication that anyone who appreciates the author or his writings is also in incorrect.
Green is an adjective.
Adjectives and adverbs are not the subjects of articles.
Again Nick, you twist cherry picked words in effort to give your word assaults small merit.
The world is not full of English specialists who write like Feynman or James Taranto. It is full of normal people writing and talking with colloquial terms.
If you want to nitpick adjectives, modifiers or even nouns, stick to the literary blogs that still argue Shakespeare or the similar reality of Homer as a single or plural authorship.
Yes, the WUWT author above amended his title, the point of the article is unchanged; hypocrisy of elitist greens.
In a way, your verbal assaults on the author and his newspaper have perhaps caused more people to take offense regarding green hypocrisy as they re-read the article.
“Really silly”
Goldstein – campaigning
bog standard diatribe – two/three times a week
“Goldstein has been writing these anti-Trudeau anti-green diatribes”
“Goldstein has been railing against Trudeau and greens since forever”
“Wow! That’s building something out of nothing. I didn’t “smear” Goldstein.”
Should we discuss the building something from nothing point first? As in “Nick Stokes” building something against an author he disagrees with?
Silly stuff, campaigning, bog standard diatribe, diatribes, railing are all such helpful positive words with warm social intentions?
No! They are negative aspersions with malicious intent.
They constitute smears, fully intended as slap-downs, each and every one.
You, Nick Stokes are purposely using inflammatory wordings to smear an author, whom you disapprove. Your open use of the smear wording leaves it to the audience with implication that anyone who appreciates the author or his writings is also in incorrect.
Green is an adjective.
Adjectives and adverbs are not the subjects of articles.
Again Nick, you twist cherry picked words in effort to give your word assaults small merit.
The world is not full of English specialists who write like Feynman or James Taranto. It is full of normal people writing and talking with colloquial terms.
If you want to nitpick adjectives, modifiers or even nouns, stick to the literary blogs that still argue Shakespeare or the similar reality of Homer as a single or plural authorship.
Yes, the WUWT author above amended his title, the point of the article is unchanged; hypocrisy of elitist greens.
In a way, your verbal assaults on the author and his newspaper have perhaps caused more people to take offense regarding green hypocrisy as they re-read the article.
Mods, please assist?
I’ve entered a reply three times. The second/third attempts were after a period of time, so they were not all posted within a short time frame.
All three have apparently disappeared.
But the screen/article/thread continuance is not normal.
Normally after entering a comment, the screen/thread return to the same relative position in the discussion.
In the above comment posts, the screen returns to the top of the article as if I just entered the discussion.
I did use multiple blockquotes. I did use WUWT in the text, so holding for review is possible. But that screen return to the top of the article leads me to think the problem is at a different interface; possibly a WordPress disconnect? It might before WUWT gets the comment.
If you can rescue the post, please only rescue one. They are all identical.
Than you!
ATheoK
[Nothing in the queue right now. Are your expected replies visible now in each thread where you answered? .mod]
Atheok,
“Silly stuff, campaigning, bog standard diatribe”
You’re very sensitive here. The silly stuff was Eric claiming that Goldstein’s post meant the “green” Sun had “finally noticed”.
Campaigning? I’m sure he would embrace the term. From his 40 year review:
“We campaigned from Day 1 against high taxes…”
Diatribe, railing? Well, it’s true that this is not unknown at WUWT:
“Think of the United Nations’ never-ending global warming roadshow that seems determined, on the public’s dime, to invade every tourist mecca, five-star hotel and Michelin restaurant on Earth, spewing the very greenhouse gases the UN says are endangering the planet”
But to me that is diatribe. Railing. YMMV.
But the oddest thing is your claim that listing his column titles is an “ad hominem”. In a thread where people speculate on whether Jagger or Castro was the PM’s father, whether he is taking orders from Soros, saying that he should be tossed into prison, then my simple comments on his published words are “ad hominem”? Sliming??
Mods:
They were all in this thread in reply this comment of Nick’s.
If possible, please delete two. If not, then I added to the dross of the day.
Atheok,
“I made no claim that your listing his “Column Titles” is ad hominem.”
You said::
“that causes you to double down on specious ad hominem attacks just based on the man and some titles of his articles.”
I didn’t comment on the man – I don’t know anything about him. I commented on his writings.
You, Nick, explicitly called it silly stuff; and you listed his titles; along with your rather open ad hominem.
Silly, diatribe, railing are your words, ugly words in any dictionary and to most normal people’s psyche.
Gross general insults impugning people appear to be your norm. Writing clarity is nonexistent.
Yet, you continually try to wiggle out of your words while attempting to twist other’s words into ones that support your position.
You’ve just admitted you don’t know the man, but you did single the author out by name, along with his publication.
From your replies, you have no remorse about insulting people, their work or their employer.
Perhaps there is truth in some beliefs that heaven/hell is where a person receives back everything they gave or forced on others during their Earth life.
Mr. Stokes, are you upset that there is actually someone in the mainstream media who is taking a stance against the hypocrisy of CAGW gang? I certainly hope so ……
“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
“The Grand Canyon was formed by moving a grain of sand – now repeat for millions of years.”
I certainly hope that we don’t have to wait for millions of years, hopefully the transformation from CAGW to reality is geometric in nature. Time will tell. Still, nice to see someone speaking out against the hypocrisy of the “greenies”. I certainly love Leo’s carbon footprint being 500 times the average North American’s – keep up the good fight, Leo!!!
Let’s just suppose glo-bull warming is true, and that the overall net effect averaged around the world is negative. How is Canada on the negative side? Sure, I know they live sub-zero F.
I know they live sub-zero F.
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the average annual temperature of canada is 0.5 C. deadly to humans without a reliable source of energy.
So why is Parliament and the PM’s residence at 24 Susses Drive not 100% solar powered? Why not simply install panels on the roof? The PM’s residence alone spends more than $10,000 a month on electricity, even before gas and heating are considered!!
Think of how much could be saved if Trudeau would go green and disconnect Parliament and the PM’s Residence from the grid. Canadians could enjoy millions in tax rebates simply by politicians being willing to take the same medicine they propose for the rest of us.
What Canadian would not support such a petition? That Parliament and the Official Residences must all be 100% green. No fossil fuels, no diesel backup, no nukes, no hydro, no grid tie-in, no forests cut down. All human waste composted in water-less toilets and used to fertilize organic crops to feed the politicians in a 100% sustainable environment.
As far as I’m concerned they can go without heat and power. If these idiots burned money for heat it would be cheaper than what they spend. We live in the second coldest country in the world, and we’re going to carry the flag for global warming?
Only variations on the theme of AGW could cough up something this stupid!
Trudeau’s election was a reaction to Stephen Harper’s long conservative tenured guidance of Canada’s political and economic direction. Trudeau was to compliment the election of progressive Hilary Clinton, which never happened. Liberalism and its green fuel agenda never made it to the public discussion after the Trump election. What was important was the question: What is Canada’s role in the global economy, military compliment to Western powers, contribution to global health and human services needs. The answer of course is that Canada has neither the military (total of 50,000 people) not even enough to defend itself let alone contribute globally; the economic infusion to global high needs countries (<0.6%) of GDP, nor the social stamina to address its own internal aboriginal people's concerns, nor the willingness to acknowledge that it is a commodity producing nation (more recently oil from its tar sand's riches) and to address its own border protection which is secured by the USA's presence. The "social contract" so much talked about yet shows decline due to the skyrocketing costs of health care can only linger because of the similarities between the USA's worker's wage structure and consumption dependent economy.
I don't mind a Canada generally favorable to a high volume and high value trade with the USA as the cost of living in both USA and Canada are similar as is the wage structure. It just that sometimes, the Turdeau's of the politically liberal/correct voice are so woefully out of touch, that, well… they shouldn't be listened to at all.
Trudeau only got elected because we Canadians were jealous of Obama.
We got our white Obama. And we’re going to get him good and hard for the next three years at least, over and over and over again.
Enjoy the suck. I certainly won’t.
Trudeau got elected because, as usual, not enough people listened to me. Canadians preferred to put their economy under the control of a part time drama teacher rather than a Master of Economics. The results have been predictable. But Trudeau has lovely hair.
The Trudeau voters I know voted for him because Harper was literally Hitler. Apparently.
My guess is that Trump will spank his ass and sending him crying home to Mommy, and we can return to adult government after the next election.
If not, as I said above, we’re on the fast train to secession.
Canadians elected their leader for his hair.
Americans elected their leader despite his hair.
Good one Toto!
What you must not do is be in anyway inaccurate in your anti green reporting. If you are the subject matter will be ignored in favour of the inaccuracies.
This I have learned over recent months. Be precise, exact and report only what is fact. Strawmen are just the opportunity green supporters look for to deflect your argument against them.
Amen !
Even if global warming were real, any Canadian would be an idiot to be against it.
This morning the temperature in Canada’s Capital City was -20C (-4F). No one wants to pay more taxes to make it colder, but our political elites insist on modifying our behaviour.
Let’s suppose that through some miracle, we could in fact drive CO2 levels down to the point where the temperature wouldn’t rise by the dreaded 2 degrees. What then? Will the climate stop changing? It’s been changing ever since the Earth came into being. There have been ice ages, warm periods and everything in between. It’s hubris in the extreme to think that we can control the climate. We adapt. Humans aren’t fruit flies. We inhabit the hottest deserts to the extreme arctic. Let’s just forget this nonsense and tackle the real problems like disease, poverty and the fact that millions of people can’t afford the cheap reliable fossil-based energy we take for granted.
It is worse than you thought. Since GMT warming occurred mainly in northern countries (polar amplification), Canada will cool the most, if GMT is halted. All the agricultural gains will be taken back to the levels of colder periods. Canada has great prospects (under a warming climate), especially when further enhanced by CO2 plant food/fertilization. GK
That’s right R.Shearer. If Canadians thought for just one second this would not even be an issue.Rural people know it’s a load of crap but the edumacated city folk are easy to fool.
My proposal is to give the rural folks double the votes of those in urban environments to balance things like this out. Urban dwellers pretty much know nothing about the weather or anything to do with nature while rural people have to know these things to survive.
I got to say that is the same the world over. Country folk understand the world in which they live. Its people, its foibles, its stupidity and its necessities
I’ve spent a lot of time in the last two months shoveling that white stuff that Al Gore said our children would never know. As a Canadian, I only wish we could warm our climate.
+ -40C
The global warming scam is justification for anything the left wants. More taxes, bigger government and a destroyed economy.
A scam is a wrong word for something which its major supporters believe in. Yeah, there are people who are not honest, people who want to drive effectively other goals and use CC as a vehicle for that while not believing in CAGW. But that’s boring. Of course there are people who do that. The problem is the large portion which quite unintellectually thinks the Earth is on the brink of becoming a second Venus. People 50-100 yrs later will laugh on us with respect to that.
“The problem is the large portion which quite unintellectually thinks the Earth is on the brink of becoming a second Venus. People 50-100 yrs later will laugh on us with respect to that.”
Reaching Venusian “greenhouse effect” on Earth is hilarious already. If NASA got it right Venus has practically no water.
What’s that for a greenhouse, eh? And how does mankind get there? Even if we purposefully wanted to? Let alone by accident. That’s funny.
Those peddling this sort of man-made fears are another story. Like Heinrich Kramer centuries ago. If anyone knows his name, it evokes only sadness.
Runaway greenhouse effect on Venus was always science fiction. There is no evidence of this—just some dreamy-eyed scientists seeing our “sister’ planet and deciding somehow “she” died because of runaway greenhouse warming. It was nonsensical from the beginning.
Jean Chretien and Paul Martin totally slew the deficit by reducing payments to the provinces. The provinces, with a lot less money to play with, cut programs like crazy.
The provincial governments took the blame for pain caused by the federal government. Chretien and Martin came off smelling like roses.
It’s not working this time. Trudeau has mandated that the provinces charge some kind of carbon tax. People have noticed what Trudeau did and are confronting him with it.
In a sense, it isn’t fair. The very real energy poverty inflicted on the citizens of Ontario (Canadian province) who can least afford it is entirely the fault of the Liberal provincial government. link They have royally messed up electricity and have caused rates to nearly quadruple. They have made many horrible mistakes but maybe the biggest is the disastrous contracts with renewable suppliers.
Trudeau should take this as a warning. Once carbon pricing starts to bite in the rest of the country, his poll numbers will head for the sub-basement. You can fool Canadians once … can’t get fooled again. G.W. Bush
commieBob,
I’m (much father) south than you, but I agree with your comment. I think the problem is, just with our progressives/socialists, is that they don’t care. They’re the enlightened elite and don’t have to live by the same rules they think the proles should live by. Not sure they give a sh*t about the poll numbers, as long as they’re living the good life.
“I think the problem is, just with our progressives/socialists, is that they don’t care.”
No, it’s worse than that. They WANT to impoverish people, and to make them reliant on big government, so they’ll keep voting for liberals.
“You can fool Canadians once … can’t get fooled again.”
Yes you can …. they voted Pere Trudeau in once, and look who they voted-in last time around!
look who they voted-in last time around!
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Trudeau was elected in large part by “Bernie” voters, on a promise to make weed legal. Young people that hadn’t lived through the previous Trudeau and his National Energy Program (NEP) that set Canada back a generation economically.
Reminds me of the “Hunger Games” movies. Those who live in Capital couldn’t give a rat’s “you-know-what” of the substandard living conditions in the Districts.
Fairly correct, commieBob. And then that horrible tightwad Mr. Harper gave the provinces 10 years of 6% annual transfer increases for health and social services. Virtually all that money was blown on buying off the public service, with nothing to show for it. This is how lefty governance works. Even the righties do it cause it’s so easy!
A politician hypocritical, you don’t say? Here in Australia politicians are “suffering” a little scrutiny regarding MP travel expenses, it’s been in the minds of most taxpayers, but recently exploded after the Minister of Health here took a taxpayer funded trip to the Gold Coast, apparently on a trip in relation to her ministerial portfolio. While on this trip, she just happened to attend an auction for an apartment in a swanky part of town for mere AU$790,000!! So, MP’s expenses are under scrutiny, and so they should.
It has been exposed that MP’s have been rorting the system for years (Ya think we didn’t know this let alone suspect?). But one of the biggest users of tax payer money for travel is a Greens Party MP, forget his name, for billing the tax payer over AU$56,000 for AIR TRAVEL in about 6 months!!!!
Now THAT is green hypocrisy!
Obama’s vacations over eight years cost the U.S. taxpayers over $90 million. The Elites love to lavish themselves with luxuries when it’s not their money.
As the CBC would have it, there is nothing hypocritical about the fossil fuel burning at all. Not a word was said and they are pretty good at picking up stories about CO2. The real scandal according to them is that he rode on a private helicopter, which is specifically forbidden for multiple reasons, for all Cabinet level Members, plus he accepted a gift worth more than $25 – a vacation on a private island in the Bahamas for his whole family. I am pretty sure that is worth more than $25 last time I checked.
There is someone in charge of looking after such possible transgressions of ethical rules and she is going to investigate and report on the matter. At the least he will have to pay for the value of the trip. The reason is that the Agha Khan’s foundation (which ‘Mr Khan’ does not head) receives $30m a year from the Federal gov’t in grants. It is considered to be solicitation to accept favours from a grantee. The grants are competitive thus entertaining someone (lavishly means nothing, though this was) who is ultimately in charge of directing grants to grantees is frowned upon, as we say in Canada.
The helicopter ride: that is more difficult. He is not allowed to accept them at all no matter where they are going or who owns it. Verboten. Off limits. I think absolution may come in the form of putting $20 in the Poor Box and saying 20 “Hail Gaia’s” at the green altar. Maybe that works for the CO2 as well.
Yes, I agree that the corruption is a bigger issue for the vast majority than the CO2 hypocrisy.
I always hear talk about the U.S. turning into a banana republic, but even in banana republics, they sometimes actually prosecute overt corruption. Even in Brazil, they impeached Dilma Rousseff, and even the vice-president is accused of corruption. Maybe there is something we can learn from banana republics after all. HillBilly should have been in jail long before she ran for president.
I think you only got half the story. I live in Brazil and Dilma Roussef was only like, the last drop on a bucket of water filled with corruption. Corruption is the standard and nobody does a thing with it unless it gets to massive proportions as was the case with Dilma Roussef. In Banana Republics, corruptions are only persecuted if is too blatant to ignore, otherwise it`s expected every politician will be corrupt, and that is “fine” as long as they hide it well. Every brazilian knows this, and nobody will get out of their way to change it. If anything, they incorporate it into their daily lives, because if you ask a brazilian what he would do if he got to office, most of them would steal, too.
The complete idiocy for the dumb Canadians is that if there were actually global warming it’s obvious that that would benefit those living in freezing Canada.
But the leftards up there are so self-loathing that they are just jumping at the bit to shoot themselves in the as_. Dumb and Dumber should have been set in Canada:
Jim Carey IS Canadian.
Which is NIck? Which is Mosh ?
Really Eric? Jerry Brown ring a bell? We’ve got our share. About 1/10 as many as the U..S.
This is not news to us. What is surprising is that it has taken this long for the leftist media to finally take notice and mention the utter hypocrisy of jet-setting envirowackos such as Trudeau in a public forum.
As far as I can tell, the only newspaper to actually use the word ‘hypocrite’ was the Toronto Sun (which isn’t left wing). The rest covered it as a serious breach of ethics guidelines.
Trudeau is a narcissist of the worst kind. He admires communist China, told an audience that budgets balance themselves. He said we need to rethink things as basic as space and time. He is stupid pretending to look smart. He doesnt care what happens to Canadians as long as he looks good on the world stage. He wants to change our electoral system so that his Liberals will forever be in power in Canada and he can be our King for the next 20 years.
We have a part time substitute drama teacher/snowboard instructor, whose father was a card carrying communist in university, for a Prime Minister… what could possibly go wrong?
His father was smart. This one isnt, that makes him more dangerous. Besides, he’s just a puppet for Gerald Butts who is really running the show.
Yup, and he flunked out of Engineering in university.
‘Nuff said ……
But he has FANTASTIC hair!!!!!!
Let’s not forget that under Trudeau Canada sent no fewer than 363 “delegates”, which includes a large number of hangers-on, to the recent Paris climate conference and another 225 to the follow-up talks in Morocco. These numbers were larger than the American and British contingents combined. And how did they get there? it wasn’t by rail to Halifax and by sea to Europe and north Africa. It was by air, which is among among the most-polluting of travel devices. Yet the same government is trying to impose carbon taxes on its citizens to get them to reduce their fossil fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. Hypocrisy, anyone?
At the top, this blog has “global warming and climate change”
I take this issue seriously but not all I read do I take literally.
I have this thought reading this very post, but the wording has been borrowed from a person writing about “The Donald” (next POTUS). She put it this way:
Supporters take him seriously but not literally.
Detractors take him literally but not seriously.
Further, seriously, we have High Pressure, well below freezing temperature, and no wind. The local wind energy folks are doing poorly. Check the green line on this chart.
https://transmission.bpa.gov/business/operations/wind/baltwg.aspx
This is the same guy who eulogized dictator Fidel Castro: “Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century.
“A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.
“While a controversial figure,” said Trudeau, “both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for ‘el Comandante.’” For a supposed world leader, this is revisionist history at its worst, and therefore shameful.
It has also been confirmed by 97% of Liberals that he has worn out 3 mirrors in his home.
Love it!
I heard that if the 1st mirror didn’t give the right answer he moved on to No.2 and so on.
The latest reno. at 24 Sussex is to extend the corridor from his bathroom, down the spiral grand-entry strairs and the entrance hall so as go get more full-height mirrors in.
What a pity they’re all “fun house” mirrors.
As a conservative, I can’t for the life of me understand how the left can be taken in by such nonsense as catastrophic global warming and the ridiculous “remedies” for it. The destruction of our robust economy while the largest emitters do nothing to curb theirs.
I guess i just want to yell at the top of my lungs, What the hell is wrong with you!
There’s nothing wrong with them, after all, they’ve been winning for three quarters. But Trump just threw a Hail Mary and connected and is in striking distance of a win. It’s going to get very interesting in a few days.
Steve Case,
EXACTLY!!! I understand the scientific arguments, but this has nothing to do with science. It’s a wolf-in-sheep’s clothing. It’s a three-card monte. It’s a shell game. and they’re better at it than we are. They say the science is settled, and they are right, because they don’t give a sh*t about the science. they’ve turned it into a political/ideological issue to advance their agenda and we’re running way behind, chasing them and yelling in the distance, “Wait, the models are wrong, that’s not what the science says…”
Need to fight fire with fire. Remember when Obama said,
Not advocating violence against anyone, but it has NOTHING to do with science.
Exactly the reason Trump got 306 electoral votes and Clinton got 232
During the GFC the solution to bankers producing toxic financial products was suggested by some as being to pay them with their toxic products and to demand they hold them.
The analog here would be to take their pension plans and buy green stocks only and into the industries they promote. Do they truly believe that in thirty years their pick of winners will be successful?
Likewise with methods of transport boats slow for holidays, trains over land, public transport always and capped carbon usage per person.
The ruling class have no shame.
I don’t know why Eric Worrall refers to the Toronto Sun as green. Certainly the former editor-in-chief, Lorrie Goldstein, and Lorne Gunter, a prominent columnist, are sceptics. This is what I get when Google Toronto Sun and Climate Change,
http://www.torontosun.com/topic/climate-change
You are right. The Sun is not green.
You can’t fool all the people all the time.
I read the Edmonton Sun and they have several columnists and none are green. As well, they allow many letters to the editor that are not green. The Edmonton Journal on the other hand is very green and what letters they allow are also very green. It used to be different, but for a long time now, they have stopped publishing any letters that I have written.
A couple of years back, both the Alberta and Canadian conservative parties actively endorsed the Keystone pipeline to the US. The present federal liberal government and provincial New Democratic party also want Keystone to go ahead. Hopefully Trump will approve it as he said he would. Ironically, our provincial carbon tax as of January 1 will have nothing to do with it.
Harper said he would do what the US does in terms of fighting climate change. Trudeau shoots us in the foot for nothing. What Trudeau is doing is the equivalent of having a no peeing section for 4 square feet of a swimming pool at great cost.