Wisconsin DNR Revises Position on Climate Change: Removes Caused by “Human Activities” from Great Lakes Webpage

Guest Post by Bob Tisdale

Lee Bergquist opens his article DNR purges climate change from webpage at the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel (my brackets):

The state Department of Natural Resources recently scrubbed language from an agency web page on the Great Lakes that said humans and greenhouse gases are the main cause of climate change. [See DNR webpage The Great Lakes and a changing world.]

The DNR now says the subject is a matter of scientific debate.

The department made the changes on Dec. 21, striking out whole sentences attributing global warming to human activities and rising levels of carbon dioxide.

Bergquist explains:

In the latest changes, the DNR says of climate change, “as it has done throughout the centuries, the earth is going through a change. The reasons for this change at this particular time in the earth’s long history are being debated and researched by academic entities outside the Department of Natural Resources.”

Officials replaced this wording:

“Earth’s climate is changing. Human activities that increase heat-trapping (‘greenhouse’) gases are the main cause.”

Bergquist’s article continues with statements from a Wisconsin DNR spokesperson, then follows it with a typical reminder of the consensus (a.k.a. groupthink) from the United Nation’s agenda-supporting, report-writing entity called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change-IPCC (a political body, not a scientific one).

I’m looking forward to more changes like this in the not-so-distant future.

On Wisconsin.

Update: Corrected a typo.

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Mike
December 29, 2016 3:52 am

Aha! The restoration of Sanity has begun!

Reply to  Mike
December 29, 2016 5:53 am

Following Trump’s list of penetrating questions to be answered by State and Federal funded Environmental Organisations, this is just the start of evidence that the staff involved and consultants employed there value their pay cheques more than their principles!

RWturner
Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 8:52 am

It’s going to be the environment inquisition…enviquisition?

Hans-Georg
Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 9:13 am

Did these Schleimers ever have principles? In the context of the agenda of humanized climate change with the business interests behind it, via a gold mine for people who know how to use this with their capital, this was nothing but a huge money redistribution machine from the bottom up.

Bill Powers
Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 9:57 am

Principles? What Principles?

Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 11:41 am

Marc Edwards, Professor of Environmental and Water Resources Engineering at Virginia Tech, discusses institutional scientific misconduct in academic and government-funded science.
https://soundcloud.com/realclearradiohour/perversion-of-science-podcast-by-marc-edwards

Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 1:22 pm

Apologies, I forgot the exclamation marks around “principles”.

AP
Reply to  macawber
December 29, 2016 4:35 pm

If they *had* principles, they wouldn’t have taken the position in the first place.

AndyE
Reply to  Mike
December 29, 2016 6:23 am

Come back in ten years – the whole issue of “climate-change” will have dropped from the mass media to the history books where it belongs.

Hans-Georg
Reply to  AndyE
December 29, 2016 9:22 am

In Germany there is a nickname for the mainstream press: Lügenpresse. They lie wherever they can, leave out, name only when it suits them, and misrepresent quotations from politicians of unfaithful parties.

Joe Fone
Reply to  AndyE
December 30, 2016 11:29 am

To be replaced by the next hobgoblin.

Goldrider
Reply to  Mike
December 29, 2016 9:32 am

You guys MUST read Scott Adams’ blog entries for yesterday and today, especially . . . http://blog.dilbert.com/
And so, “The Matrix” begins to show cracks! 2017 is gonna be GREAT!!!

Reply to  Goldrider
December 29, 2016 10:43 am

According to Scott Adams:

“Non-scientists don’t have the tools to form a useful opinion on climate science. What we usually do instead is look at one side of the debate, ignore the other side, and use confirmation bias to harden our illusion of certainty. That’s how normal brains work. So if you are both normal and you have a strong opinion about climate science, I can say with confidence that you are hallucinating about your certainty.”

My response, posted in the Comments:

Nuts. I knew the Global Warming crowd was wrong as soon as I realized they were pushing a political agenda and were using science as a cover. I also knew they were wrong because they were deliberately ignoring the Earth’s climate history, including CO2 levels an order of magnitude higher, and were contriving models that could not even account for the recent Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age. I knew they were wrong when they created a UN agency whose mandate was not to study the climate, but to confirm that fossil fuel burning was warming the Earth–talk about confirmation bias!
Sorry, I was not hallucinating then, and I am not hallucinating now.

/Mr Lynn

BCBill
Reply to  Goldrider
December 29, 2016 12:47 pm

@L.E.J. There has been enough junk science on the AGW side that to an informed observer, their credibility is very low. However, many topics require such a large amount of reading to reach “informed observer” status that on an given complex topic it becomes highly unlikely that many will ever reach that state. Scott Adams description of the way most people make decisions about complex issues has very much the ring of truth to my ear? You can say you know the truth, but very clearly many or most people disagree with you. Aren’t you curious as to why that might be the case and I am assuming that you probably don’t have a direct line to God.

Reply to  Goldrider
December 29, 2016 2:21 pm

BCBill:

You can say you know the truth, but very clearly many or most people disagree with you. Aren’t you curious as to why that might be the case and I am assuming that you probably don’t have a direct line to God.

Sure, when I know enough to conclude that one side of an argument is right, I remain interested in the contrary views, especially if they address the points I consider defining (the Warmists usually dodge them). I do spend much more time reading discussions among people I generally agree with (e.g. here on WUWT), so may be guilty of confirmation bias. But I’m not ‘hallucinating’.
Scott Adams is an admirable fellow, but here he is drastically over-simplifying. There are plenty of issues where reality is so opaque or recalcitrant or complex that it is impossible to tell who has the better handle on ‘the truth’. But I don’t think CAGW is one of them.
/Mr Lynn

Tim Hammond
Reply to  Goldrider
December 30, 2016 4:53 am

BCBIll
You miss the point entirely.
I am a sceptic, not just about AGW, but about all science.
Thus I don’t have any “beliefs” that are reinforced by what I read. When a scientific theory has withstood a few decades or more of attempts to disprove it, I may grant it some validity. That’s how science is supposed to work.

DonS
Reply to  Mike
December 29, 2016 10:19 am

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

AndyE
Reply to  DonS
December 29, 2016 1:02 pm

The writing is on the wall.

george e. smith
Reply to  Mike
December 29, 2016 12:42 pm

I would suggest that the most obvious, and principal causes of climate change are (A) The eccentricity of earth’s orbit being greater than zero; and (B) The tilt of the earth’s polar axis being about 23.5 degrees off the plane of the ecliptic; or words to that effect.
For the life of me, I can’t think of anything else that changes climate much, besides long term variations of A and B.
If I come up with (C), I’ll let y’alls know.
G

Pegasus
Reply to  george e. smith
December 29, 2016 1:12 pm

Your point makes sense, you just left out the glaringly obvious, that being the sun of course. Tilt, orbit etc are relative. Wasn’t that the primary factor all the models left out, the effect of the sun!!

Pop Piasa
Reply to  george e. smith
December 29, 2016 1:32 pm

RAY WYLIE HUBBARD > A. Enlightenment B. Endarkenment (HINT: There is no C)
Sorry, can’t find it on youtube but now I know what he means. Thanx G.

Reply to  george e. smith
December 29, 2016 2:24 pm

There are five climate astronomical climate drivers, see http://www.knowledgeminer.eu/climate-papers.html

MRW
Reply to  george e. smith
December 30, 2016 3:07 am

@J.Seifert,
The info–your paper–is behind a paywall. Can you tell us what those five drivers are?

Reply to  george e. smith
December 30, 2016 3:51 pm

George
How about continental drift and a changing world map?
Or chaos?

AndyE
Reply to  george e. smith
December 31, 2016 7:50 am

It’s the sun, stupid.

Padmakumar
December 29, 2016 3:56 am

As the wind blows …

joel
December 29, 2016 3:59 am

My theory is that the D’s will simply stop talking about CO2 and latch onto another crisis which will need, surprisingly, a lot of money and regulation.

Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 5:02 am

see: Hole In The Ozone, c. 1996

joel
Reply to  Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
December 29, 2016 8:33 am

You know, we should save those websites and stuff about the ozone hole. All those brave predictions about the healing of the hole and all. In a few years they might be gone off the internet and then, like, they never happened.

Reply to  Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
December 29, 2016 9:14 am

You know, we should save those websites and stuff about the ozone hole.

They may already be at the Internet Archive at https://archive.org/web/ If they’re not there yet, searching for them there may lead to them being added to the archive.

Mark T
Reply to  Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
December 29, 2016 9:38 am

They still harp about the “hole” on occasion, interspersed with proclamations that eliminating Freon from 1st world countries has saved it.

Reply to  Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
December 29, 2016 10:32 am

Compare the Aug. 30, 2012 page at the Internet Archive with the current one:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120830204959/http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/greatlakes/climatechange.html
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/greatlakes/climatechange.html
Also note the change in the page titles that show in the browser tabs.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder
December 29, 2016 1:41 pm

Don’t forget the terrible acid rains in the 70’s that must have made the oceans acid now.
(/sarc, for new folks and simpletons)

Doug Huffman
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 6:18 am

The murky MJS loves microcystis. A couple of years ago I went shopping for ELISA reagent kits and found one component selling for US$300 per microgram. Maybe supply and demand has reduced that — a bit.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Doug Huffman
December 29, 2016 9:05 am

MJS? ELISA?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Doug Huffman
December 29, 2016 10:16 am

That one had me puzzled, too, SorF.
Well, here are some clues for us. (most likely, it was a mis-post — on the wrong thread or website, lol — happens to the best of us at times)
MJS: Markov Jump System …. There are three equivalent definitions of the process … Jump chain/holding time definition {– } Define a discrete-time Markov chain Yn to describe the nth jump of the process and variables S1, S2, S3, … to describe holding times in each of the states where Si follows the exponential distribution with rate parameter −qYiYi.
ELISA: … enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) any enzyme immunoassay using an enzyme-labeled immunoreactant (antigen or antibody) and an immunoadsorbent (antigen or antibody bound to a solid support). A variety of methods are used for measuring the unknown concentration, such as either competitive binding between the labeled reactant and unlabeled unknown or a sandwich technique in which the unknown antigen binds both the immunoadsorbent and labeled antibody. One of the uses of ELISA is to screen blood for antibody to the human immunodeficiency virus; a positive result indicates probable exposure to the virus and possibly that the virus is in the blood. …
micrycystis: Definition of Microcystis: a genus of unicellular blue-green algae (family Chroococcaceae) forming irregularly shaped colonies within a common gelatinous envelope and including at least one species (M. aeruginosa) that is poisonous and may become abundant and troublesome in lakes especially where much organic matter is present…..
Clear — as — mud to me.
#(:))

george e. smith
Reply to  Doug Huffman
December 29, 2016 12:47 pm

Here’s mud in your eye Janice for unraveling that snake chain for us.
I always wanted to know who Elisa was; ever since Beethoven wrote his little ditty Fur Elise !
Well my late departed Aunt in law was also Elise.
G

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Doug Huffman
December 29, 2016 1:52 pm

George, Fur of Elise was what stimulated such a wonderful tune, maybe.

Sheri
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 6:20 am

Let the man take office first. He’s not even president yet and he’s predicted to be a disaster. It seems global warming thought patterns have permeated all places in society.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 6:40 am

True to form, if the Democrats predict Trump will be a disaster, he’ll undoubtedly end up as the most successful president in history.

renbutler
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 7:12 am

They could always cherry pick data sets and revise some older numbers to “prove” he’s a failure.

Goldrider
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 8:06 am

“Predicted to be a disaster” by WHOM? Taken a look at your stock portfolio lately?! ;-))

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 8:41 am

@Goldrider
This is the week to harvest loses. Down time now until next week.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 9:37 am

Get a new life, Sheri, don’t get left behind.

george e. smith
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 12:49 pm

Well a disaster for all the skunks in the wood pile Sheri.
But we can always burn the wood pile.
G

george e. smith
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 12:53 pm

“””””…..
John F. Hultquist
December 29, 2016 at 8:41 am
@Goldrider
This is the week to harvest loses. Down time now until next week. …..”””””
Bring on all the down time you can muster john.
I needs to get my portfolio down; to reduce my RMD next year.
So an EOY Dow clunk would be much appreciated.
G

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2016 9:23 pm

Obama has just created a big headache for Trump by expelling Russian diplomats and closed offices in New Your claiming they hacked the election causing Trump to win. It’s going to be an interesting 2017.

renbutler
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 7:10 am

And lots of redistribution from the wealthy (countries and people) to the not-so-wealthy — taking their cut along the way, of course.

Roger Knights
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 7:15 am

My theory is that the D’s will simply stop talking about CO2 and latch onto another crisis which will need, surprisingly, a lot of money and regulation.

Ocean acidification looks good for a ten-year run.

Reply to  Roger Knights
December 29, 2016 8:42 am

Go over to Notrickzone today for some ammunition on ocean acidification. Good stuff.

pameladragon
Reply to  Roger Knights
December 29, 2016 8:58 am

We need to organize a flock of graduate slaves from coastal areas around the world, equip them with the gear they need to do some simple pH tests of their local waters, and turn them loose. It won’t take long before the data comes flooding in that the oceans are doing just fine!
PMK

AP
Reply to  joel
December 29, 2016 4:42 pm

Aliens or astrroids next?

Bloke down the pub
December 29, 2016 3:59 am

Following the money.

jpatrick
December 29, 2016 4:16 am

It has been determined that the language which said, “humans and greenhouse gases are the main cause of climate change” is bad for business.

Goldrider
Reply to  jpatrick
December 29, 2016 8:07 am

BinGO, jpatrick! You win the Internets for today!

cedarhill
December 29, 2016 4:24 am

New Years Resolution: May the next few years see the debunking, public humiliation and utter destruction of the global warmist alarmist hysteria. To paraphrase John Lennon, “give science a chance”.

Lloyd Martin Hendaye
December 29, 2016 4:24 am

Having belatedly re-discovered empirical scientific principle in face of deviant Warmists’ metastasizing PCBS, Wisconsin’s DNR can contribute nothing whatever to climatological debate. Once off the public teat, this ultra-partisan Organ’s intellectual-and-moral runts will Save the Planet by twanging “Carwash Blues”.

Chris Riley
December 29, 2016 4:29 am

Despite a temperature of 29 F, snowflakes are melting in Madison right now.

Doug Bunge
Reply to  Chris Riley
December 29, 2016 5:02 am

*golf clap*

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Ike Kiefer
December 29, 2016 5:25 am

Nothing a crack of the whip will not cure.

Sheri
Reply to  Ike Kiefer
December 29, 2016 6:23 am

Ed: Or a removal of all scholarships, tuition assistance and a significant raise in tuition costs.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Chris Riley
December 29, 2016 8:47 am

Chris,
Check back with us about this time next week. Meanwhile, find your warmest coat and boots.

Chris Riley
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 29, 2016 10:05 pm

The snowflakes I was referring to were the ones enrolled in the infamous UW Madison.

george e. smith
Reply to  Chris Riley
December 29, 2016 12:58 pm

I do not recommend going walking down the middle of the River through Janesville late at night. The ice may not actually go all the way back to the bank, at the back of your motel.
g

bit chilly
Reply to  Chris Riley
December 29, 2016 11:01 pm

ha ha, very good 🙂

seamusdubh
December 29, 2016 4:30 am

December 21st, I wonder what happened the days before.
Seems to be just in time for the new administrations reviews for funding.

commieBob
December 29, 2016 4:33 am

Wisconsin is ruled by the Republicans. I’m not surprised. When a state ruled by the Democrat party does the same thing I will be surprised.

RockyRoad
Reply to  commieBob
December 29, 2016 6:43 am

So what you’re saying is when it comes to climate issues (or any other, for that matter), Democrats are the insane party and Republicans are the sane party.
Sounds about right.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  commieBob
December 29, 2016 9:39 am

ruled by common sense Commiebob

Jtom
Reply to  commieBob
December 29, 2016 7:14 pm

Only six states are ruled by Democrats. Forget the possibility of California, Hawaii, Washington, or Oregon ever admitting Man is not causing catastrophic climate change. They do not share the same reality as the rest of us. Perhaps Rhode Island or Delaware could follow Wisconsin’s lead.

John W. Garrett
December 29, 2016 4:34 am

How refreshing. Actual honesty. Actual science. Actual integrity.
Bravo Wisconsin !!

bill johnston
Reply to  John W. Garrett
December 29, 2016 7:28 am

Once again I am proud to say I was born and raised in Wisconsin.

Sam
Reply to  bill johnston
December 29, 2016 9:00 am

I am proud to say the same except I’ll need more proof on the subject by the Wisconsin legislature. However, have been genuinely surprised by the electorate.

Janice Moore
Reply to  bill johnston
December 29, 2016 10:31 am

And — here — they — ARE! 🙂
Marching on California! lol
“On Wisconsin” — Univ. of Wisconsin Marching Band, Rosebowl Parade, Pasadena California

(youtube)
As Kevin below said, “CA, take note.”
#(:))

Janice Moore
Reply to  bill johnston
December 29, 2016 10:46 am

And — here — they — ARE! 🙂
Marching on California! lol
“On Wisconsin” — Univ. of Wisconsin Marching Band, Rosebowl Parade, Pasadena California

(youtube)
As said below, “CA, take note.”
#(:))

TA
Reply to  bill johnston
December 29, 2016 2:49 pm

“On Wisconsin” was the fight song of the high school I attended. The words were changed a little bit, but the tune was the same. Great school song!

Alan Robertson
Reply to  bill johnston
December 29, 2016 7:24 pm

TA
December 29, 2016 at 2:49 pm
“On Wisconsin” was the fight song of the high school I attended. The words were changed a little bit, but the tune was the same. Great school song!
———————–
Same Here! _______ Tigers

Janice Moore
Reply to  bill johnston
December 30, 2016 8:22 am

TA and Alan, SO WAS OURS!
On, __ __ _____! On,__ __ _____!
Fight until the end!
Run the ball around the goal post,
Touchdown sure this time!
Rah, rah, rah!
On, __ __ _____! On, !__ __ _____
Fight until the end!
Fight, fellas!
Fight, fight, fight!
We’ll win this game!

And I never knew the words past about the first 2 lines until today. lol
Just hearing the band play it makes me SO HAPPY. (and I wasn’t a big football fan — it was played at all our assemblies and games and stuff, so, it is just that happy, joyful, feeling of being surrounded by your friends and other happy people at a fun event (hey, any time (even a bomb scare which we had all the time) we got out of class was a happy time — teenagers are, for all their faults — FUN 🙂 )

Alan Robertson
December 29, 2016 4:42 am

Elections have consequences.

John@EF
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 29, 2016 7:29 am

Right. Fickle politics, nothing more.

george e. smith
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 29, 2016 1:00 pm

In stereo from Janice
g

Janice Moore
Reply to  george e. smith
December 30, 2016 8:32 am

Sorry about that double post, George. I made a second attempt at posting when the first disappeared into oblivion. I tested a couple of words and one would not post on “Test,” so I (apparently incorrectly from Anthony’s Test reply) tried again without that word. I wish the mod would delete the second one. Shrug. 🙂

Mjw
December 29, 2016 5:08 am
observa
Reply to  Mjw
December 29, 2016 5:58 am

Come gather ’round drones
Wherever you home
And admit that the taxes
Around you have groan’d
And accept it that soon
You’ll be skinned to the bone
If overtime to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start objectin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the climes they’re always changin’.
Come blogger and critics
Who analyse like wise men
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And speak up real soon
For the windmills in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who
That it’s harmin’
For the losers now
Will be later to win
For the climes they’re always changin’.
Come senators, congressmen
Best heed our call
Don’t stand in the freeway
Don’t block up the coal
For he that gets hurt
Will be those you have tramelled
There’s a battle outside
And it’s worth wagin’
It’ll soon shake your windmills
And shatter your panels
For the climes they’re always changin’.
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And best criticize
What you can understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are being given commands
Your wise road is
Needily cravin’
Please stand up to the new one
If you can’t lend your hands
For the climes they’re always changin’.
The time it is dawn
For the lie that’s cast
The slick ones now
Will be gone fast
As their present now
Will later be past
Their new order is
Rapidly cavin’
And the first ones now
Will later be last
For the climes they’re always changin’

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  observa
December 29, 2016 7:05 am

observa — what’s not to like? Double points for using Dylan. — Eugene WR Gallun

greymouser70
Reply to  observa
December 29, 2016 8:52 am

Bravo!!!

Paul Penrose
Reply to  observa
December 29, 2016 10:57 am

Very good. Gave me a smile.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  observa
December 29, 2016 2:02 pm

I give that a ‘yes’ to go on to the next round.

George Lawson
December 29, 2016 5:38 am

Congratulations to Wisconsin DNR. It takes courage to reverse strongly held views. Let’s hope that this is just the beginning and that other institutions and publications will also have the courage to change their views on AGW, and in doing so gain the respect of the world at large.

Scott
December 29, 2016 5:39 am

In 2012 Lake Michigan and other Great Lakes were near historic low levels and all the global warmers were screaming, “See, see all you dumb deniers, this is what global warming looks like”. Tens if not hundreds of millions were spent for emergency dredging of Lake Michigan harbors, since lake levels were surely going to keep dropping due to global warming. Not to mention the parallel claims that ice would disappear on the Great Lakes were quickly met with two years of the most ice in recent mrmory in 2012 and 2013. Two years later Lake Michigan hit record highs and Lake Michigan bluffs are now eroding and threatening to drop homes into the lake. All the millions panic-spent on combating global warming would have been better spent on the traditional, known environmental change which is erosion. Not a peep from the global warmers over the last couple years, not a peep from the media about this colossal blunder. I suppose the Wisconsin DNR was involved in this debacle at some level and I wonder if this sorry episode humbled the DNR on their predictive abilities.

milwaukeebob
December 29, 2016 6:01 am

Wisconsin… Always a trend setter. Once again, you make me proud and you will always be the standard by which I measure the collective common sense of other states. If you just weren’t so damn cold in the Winter, I’d move back… LOL
On Wisconsin!

François
Reply to  milwaukeebob
December 29, 2016 7:18 am

Yeah, remember Sen. Joe Mac Carthy?

David
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 8:13 am

He turned out to be right.

Janice Moore
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 10:25 am

Correct, David. McCarthy was exonerated/vindicated by the Venona Papers.
See the book, Treason, by Ann Coulter (https://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism/dp/1400050324/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483035822&sr=8-1&keywords=Ann+Coulter+Treason+books )

Richard Baguley
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 10:44 am

Janice, Prof. Klehr knows much more on this subject than Ann Coulter.
.
.
http://tfn.org/rehabilitating-joseph-mccarthy/

Janice Moore
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 10:55 am

Mr. Baguley,
The only thing that matters is: was Ann Coulter right?
To make an argument against her, you need to:
1. State her error.
2. Prove she was wrong.
Michael Mann knows a whole lot more about climate than I do. I say AGW is junk science; he does not. According to your standard, that makes him right.
Sincerely,
Janice Moore

Richard Baguley
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 11:04 am

Janice, Coulter isn’t an expert in history, but Klehr is, as such, her opinion is suspect.

Richard Baguley
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 11:08 am

PS Janice, when you’ve done some actual work in the field as Mann has, and you have published your work, your opinion might carry weight. You see Janice, when it comes to “opinion” there is no “right” and “wrong.” So your question about Coulter being “right” is meaningless.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 12:30 pm

Richard Baguley December 29, 2016 at 11:08 am
Hello Richard, I cannot comment on Ann Coulter’s work because I have not read it, but the link you provide is another thing. I found nothing that would serve as a rebuttal to the evidence A. Coulter is said to have written of. Anyone one who took a Under Grad Historiography (let alone a post grad) course would recognize it as only a personal opinion. Thus they carry no more weight then anyone else.
As a matter of fact the writings of Prof. Klehr seem to take on the very attributes that “Tail Gunner Joe” is accused of.
Oh and if you know so much tell us why the lampooning of the Tail Gunner Joe photos did not sit well with many WW2 Pacific Theater Vets. Its easy, a soft ball.
As for Mr Mann, a failed and flawed paper criticized by his own peers (in the Climate Gate E-Mails) pretty much leaves him with no more claim to expertise then a 18 year old burger flipper. You need a better demigod to worship. Perhaps you should take out an ad.
michael

Richard Bagule
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 12:57 pm

Mike, I leave judgement on Joe McCarthy to his “peers”
..
..
They rendered their judgement on December 2, 1954.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 2:26 pm

Richard Bagule December 29, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Hi Richard. I agree he was a bit extreme, but the censure was not about his views on communism but rather his methods.
What do you know of this fellow, he was Joe McCarthy mentor in a way.
Secretary of Defense, James V. Forrestal,
Both went into Bethesda Hospital both died
anyway One gets a aircraft carrier named after him another becomes President, and the third (Joe)becomes a myth.
michael

Chris Riley
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 10:19 pm

Don’t forget the contributions of the HUAC (House UnAmerican affairs Committee) This group bagged Alger Hiss.

RoyHartwell
December 29, 2016 6:02 am

The Trump effect !!

AGW is not Science
December 29, 2016 6:07 am

Long overdue for this type of politically motivated twaddle to be removed from supposedly science related organizations ’round the world.

milwaukeebob
December 29, 2016 6:31 am

Then (of course) the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel turned to someone from – Chicago(?) for enlightenment (LOL): Joel Brammeier, president of Chicago-based Alliance for the Great Lakes:
“I don’t understand the need for the changes. To me, it looks like they are trying to cover up a debate that really isn’t happening.” Climate change is affecting the Great Lakes, Brammeier said, citing as one example Green Bay’s dead zone, which has been linked to runoff and warm summer water temperatures.”
A dead zone that has happened EVERY year FOREVER, due to “warm summer water temperatures”… Gezzz, what idiots!

Janice Moore
Reply to  milwaukeebob
December 29, 2016 6:41 am

Re: debate that really isn’t happening
— because every time the science realists try to set one up, the climate clowns run away (usually screaming “baaaaysic physiiiiiiiics” “IPCCeeeeeeee” “DEATH!!!!!” as they disappear into the jungle)

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 29, 2016 6:42 am

And GO WISCONSIN! #(:))

Brett Keane
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 29, 2016 12:54 pm

@ Richard Baguley
December 29, 2016 at 11:04 am
Janice, Coulter isn’t an expert in history, but Klehr is, as such, her opinion is suspect: v
Richard seems determined to act like a small-minded pedant. Oh, well….

December 29, 2016 6:33 am

Wisconsin, home of Reid Bryson’s Center for Climate Research, where he was the top U S prognosticator of the impending doom of global cooling. And of course he was a little bit right: cooling remains a bigger danger than warming. –AGF

December 29, 2016 6:34 am

Over the holidays I hosted a Wisconsin native here in central Florida. She has been a democrat for all of her 82 years. She never mentioned politics but talked like Donald Trump’s speech writer. She mostly went on about jobs leaving the US and the cost of unrestrained emigration.
I think it is time to go on the offensive about how man made CO2 has not caused any temperature rise that we can detect. None. Nada. It will be a hard job as there have been two generations raised where they have been brainwashed since Kindergarten. I take a poll of my classes every once in a while and over 90% believe in dangerous, man-made global warming. They have been taught that since they entered government schools. (and private schools too)
We need one of the many fine writers here to do a post on how to convince the deluded — especially the young ones. How could you convince a deluded middle school kid that mankind is not making the planet hotter with CO2 and that we are seeing nothing that we have not seen before. There is nothing new or dangerous — our weather is not “extreme”.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  markstoval
December 29, 2016 8:40 am

…the cost of unrestrained emigration.
What’s wrong with that? : > )

Leo Smith
December 29, 2016 6:50 am

It’s spelt sentinel. Correctly, on the web page linked to.

taxed
December 29, 2016 6:51 am

There really needs to be a change of thinking in climate science in America.
Because by this time next week the northern states of America look set to have a insight into climate change as an “ice age” weather pattern sets in. But not just in America, looking at the jet stream 180+hours forecast. lt looks like it will be spanning right across the NH.
With the warming in the Arctic. l think this type of weather patterning will become a increasing trend. lts a type of weather pattern set up that matches what was going on during the LGM too closely for my liking. l feel it needs to be taken seriously by climate science. Because if it becomes a increasing trend it will hit the Western world hard.

Steve Case
December 29, 2016 7:12 am

Here are links to the Internet Archives WayBack Machine’s version from October:
Climate Change and Wisconsin´s Great Lakes [October 2016]
and as it is today:
The Great Lakes and a changing world [December 2016]
Great post Bob, made my day here in Wisconsin a little brighter.
And yes the sun is shining here as I post (-:

Scott
Reply to  Steve Case
December 29, 2016 8:23 am

It’s funny that in the Oct 2016 version, for the three bullet points listed that scientists agreed would happen, the exact opposite happened on the first two and the third one didn’t happen. No wonder they wanted to get rid of that wording, it was all wrong.

leejack01
December 29, 2016 7:31 am

Something I noticed recently, seems non committal. I’m not sure if AccuWeather toned it down from past statement.
” AccuWeather.com Global Climate Change Position Statement
Global climate change is a matter of intense concern and public importance. There can be little doubt that human beings influence the world’s climate. At the same time, our knowledge of the extent, progress, mechanisms and results of global climate change is still incomplete. New data are becoming available every day – from tree rings to deep sea samples, ice cores, glacial changes and climatological models – while the greatest minds all over the world are working to better understand climate change and its impact on life on earth.
Scientific understanding emerges through full consideration of relevant data, appropriate debate and the application of the scientific method. Thus, we urge all scientists and members of the public to engage in the global climate change discussion, including AccuWeather.com’s experts. We encourage our scientists to express their personal views without the constraint of a corporate position they must follow. We are pleased to offer a major forum on AccuWeather.com for the wide-ranging consideration of this topic.
In the AccuWeather.com Global Climate Change Center, you will find links to the latest research, commentary by experts with various points of view on all aspects of climate change, and a forum for you to share your own thoughts, ask questions, and interact with the best scientific minds and knowledge in this area. From time to time, we may post questions about climate change for general consideration and to further stimulate debate. We welcome your contributions to the discussion.
Disclaimer
The views expressed in the Global Climate Change Center are those of the author(s) and not necessarily those of AccuWeather, Inc or AccuWeather.com. Terms of Usage under which this service is provided. “

Alx
Reply to  leejack01
December 29, 2016 8:17 am

“Our knowledge of the extent, progress, mechanisms and results of global climate change is still incomplete.”

Accuweather hits it right on the head with that statement. What remains alarming is why it took so long for the obvious to be recognized.

“We urge all scientists and members of the public to engage in the global climate change discussion…”

These are hopeful signs toward science regaining integrity lost at the altar of global warming and that the wave of Orwellian authoritarian and oppressive punishment to those having “wrong think” is receding.
I am not optimistic however that the lesson of politics and science being incestuous bed-mates will ever be learned.

brians356
Reply to  leejack01
December 29, 2016 10:52 am

They specifically say they welcome commentary by “experts”. You know, the 97%. So don’t be fooled by the obfuscatory language, they’re died-in-the-wool alarmists, believe me.

Catcracking
Reply to  leejack01
December 29, 2016 2:41 pm
Kevin
December 29, 2016 7:59 am

CA take note.

Steve Lohr
December 29, 2016 8:05 am

Yes! Yes! This is HUGE. Such happiness! This reminds me of a story. I once was terrorized by a pack of a dozen or so semi-feral dogs belonging to a neighbor’s farm. Every time I went to fish in the creek I was confronted by the snarling mob. One day I carried a pocket full of rocks and prepared to do battle. True to form they charged me as I approached my fishing spot. I took out a ping pong ball sized rock and launched it at the big black lead dog. To my astonishment the first stone dropped from the sky directly on the top of the big brute’s head. It struck like a lightening bolt leaving the nasty sucker stunned and yelping in pain. All of the dogs scattered never to approach me again. Perhaps one of the stones of sanity has struck its mark and a scattered retreat will ensue!!!

jjs
December 29, 2016 8:17 am

I’m from Wisconsin and glad to see this. There is a lot of other DNR literature that has false info in it also. One example is that DDT killed all the Eagles and Osprey in the Midwest which was proven to be mostly fake science, all the DNR literature still states this as a fact though. I hope other Republican states start to change their wording also on Climate change, dem states also but not sure that will happen.
The DNR needs to manage resources and not do propaganda. Since the unions have lost power in Wisconsin and we have turned Red, the government agencies have been reined in. Good job Scott Walker.

Ed zuiderwijk
Reply to  jjs
December 29, 2016 9:21 am

Once the global warming hoax is on the way out many, including journalists, will wonder what other porkies the environmental activist have been telling us.

François
Reply to  jjs
December 29, 2016 1:47 pm

Where have all the sturgeons gone? Fifty years ago, going spear-fishing was common in Green Bay during the winter time. Save for some artificially-reared ones, there seems to be hardly any sturgeon left in Lake Michigan, how come?

jjs
Reply to  François
December 29, 2016 2:28 pm

The DNR has done an outstanding job managing the Sturgeon population in Wisconsin, managed my conversationalist and scientist based on facts and in field validation. Lake Winnebago has one of if not the most healthy Sturgeon pops in the world.

Steve Case
December 29, 2016 8:33 am

By The Way, It’s the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel not Wisconsin.
And it’s the top story on the front page (-:
I’m saving today’s paper.

ossqss
December 29, 2016 8:41 am

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So the SUV is not the cause of this then? ;-P

Steve
Reply to  ossqss
December 29, 2016 9:03 am

Yes, of course it is…. 😉

Owen in GA
Reply to  Steve
December 29, 2016 12:23 pm

CO2 is a magic molecule. When the first SUV was produced the exhaust created a time worm-hole and deposited the CO2 14,000 years before present to melt the great ice sheets and create the Great Lakes, such is the power of the devil’s molecule. Though it may be only carbon itself that is the devil’s – after all you can’t have mankind without carbon (/sarc for the humor impaired)

Resourceguy
December 29, 2016 9:14 am

This is encouraging. Please send a vacation guide for Wisconsin.

stock
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 29, 2016 1:32 pm

Uh, buy skis, and Alpaca socks, its cold here.

Resourceguy
Reply to  stock
December 30, 2016 1:55 pm

I was in the UP during the winter of 78/79. That was enough.

stock
Reply to  stock
December 30, 2016 2:34 pm

I mush my German shepherd on cross country skis (I am on the skis not the dogs) in Wisconsin, great fun

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 29, 2016 2:34 pm

I’ve been to the dells. May is great. Now until then rent a snowmobile on vacation there.

stock
Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 30, 2016 2:33 pm

Google “Pewitt’s Nest Gorge”
and
Parfrey’s Glenn
Some of the best hiking/pools/diving in the world
near the Dells

Lord Beavis
December 29, 2016 9:25 am

I still remember when we were all going to die from a second ice age.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Lord Beavis
December 29, 2016 2:39 pm

Here is a different star named Leonard who was on board with the contemporary alarmists at that time.

G. Karst
December 29, 2016 9:30 am

How do you spell “relief”… t-r-u-m-p.

Ryan
December 29, 2016 10:15 am

Now there is a cold blob in the Eastern Pacific

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Ryan
December 29, 2016 2:53 pm

Ooh, the orange is getting harder to see! What happens if the whole N. Atlantic SST turns cold too?

MRW
Reply to  Ryan
December 30, 2016 3:18 am

What happens if the whole N. Atlantic SST turns cold too?

Buy parkas. The good ones. The one they sell above the Arctic Circle.

Gary Pearse
December 29, 2016 10:16 am

The Trump effect is real. I attribute the DC court clearing the way to trial for Michael Mann – Mark Steyn the effect of Trump. This will be a fun trial with Mike resisting to the last release of discovery of the stinking guts of his hockey stick beating of the LIA and MWP and the cherry picked proxies for the extension of the “blade”, which incidentally got bent back to flat the very year of its publication! The EPA withdrew from a suit by TX challenging their new coal legislation. All BOs exec orders being piled up to stop the Trump Admin from progressing and the masterminding of the UN motion against Israel only demonstrate that the duck isn’t just lame, it’s sick. It will be cleaned up as fast as road kill. When the shock to the “consensus” of the election wears off, there will be timely changes of ideas on climate by federal bureaucrats and a large number of resignations and retirements of the old guard (bye bye travesty Trendburst and Unravlin Schmidt – you heard it from me first) – this will help the federal budget because they won’t need to be replaced. When the smoke clears, the dozen agencies or so that do climate doom will be reduced to one with a re-dedication push by bureaucrats. Applications will come pouring in to recover the raw global data, reopen long standing rural weather stations that were closed to exacerbate warming, back to Argo Buoys, maybe a new generation and more of them and the Pause and troubling cooling which has been buried and bent will attract our attention. Look for real cost-benefit analysis for CO2. We may have to pay companies to make more.
Oh and another foreign policy gem from pearse FP 101: Right now, I expect, the Palestinian Authority is preparing to ‘sauve qui peut’. They will suddenly get serious about peace and acceptance of Israel and negotiate a separate state at the 11th hour while they still have a chance. After Jan 2017, it may be too late. All that part of the world and including all of Asia were raised to fear and respect strength and they will become a lot more amenable to peace and negotiations. No more barrel rolls by Russian and Chinese aircraft over US Navy ships and no more Iranian little boats shooting at Navy ships (nose thumbing after having been handed a huge ransom and a nuclear club deal in Iran). Reagan didn’t have to lift a finger to get hostages released and a collapse of the USSR. Demo Global Kumbaya and political correctness licenses to turn the world upside down. Europe will also drop all this craziness, knowing that it will be terminal for them. Hows that for a prediction?

G. Karst
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 31, 2016 8:59 am

Aahhh… you’re just trying to cheer us up 🙂 GK

December 29, 2016 10:20 am

Excuse me for being a little hesitant and not too, too cynical…but…Shouln’t we wait for the other shoe to drop. Maybe sales are flagging at the Journal Sentinal.

Steve Case
Reply to  Michael Burns
December 29, 2016 12:10 pm

Comes to our house, and it’s the thinnest pathetic little rag you ever saw. Used to be quite the hefty tome every day and a good three pounds on Sunday. Oh, comes to my address because I’m not the only one who lives here. I didn’t check it out in the print edition until after I read Bob Tidale’s post.

Reply to  Steve Case
December 29, 2016 12:31 pm

No such thing as a bad publicity steve…there’s only publicity. And the bigger the bang…the banger the boom.

milwaukeebob
Reply to  Steve Case
December 29, 2016 1:54 pm

And what a shame and (as The D might say) so sad, so sad. I, being long on tooth and short on hair, remember when Milwaukee had two very competitive and fine papers. The Sentinel (1837) in the morning and the Journal (1882) in the afternoon. I delivered the Sentinel by bike… yes, including in the winter @ below zero. But I digress… Point is there was competition, not always for the “truth” but usually equal “news” on opposite sides of an issue. As you all well know, that is completely gone and the M J/S is a perfect example how and why they have failed in their fiduciary duty to the public. So sad… 🙁

EW3
December 29, 2016 10:21 am

Once the funding goes away so will the problem.

michael hart
December 29, 2016 11:02 am

Or, “The global-warming conjecture has developed not necessarily to the DNR’s advantage”…

pameladragon
December 29, 2016 11:57 am

I just received this list from another like-minded friend. Please note that these are on Paul Ryan’s agenda, Wisconsin Congressman and Speaker of the House. Some of this stuff I have never heard of. I do believe that the government should support the arts and humanities to some extent, but maybe not to the tune of 335 MILLION bucks a year!
PAUL RYAN’S PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS
A List of Republican Budget Cuts
Notice S.S. and the military are NOT on this list .
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.
Read to the end.
* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy — $445 million annual savings.
* Save America ‘s Treasures Program — $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland — $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation — $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts — $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities — $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program — $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies — $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicating education programs — H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon , eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U..S. Trade Development Agency — $55 million annual savings.
* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy — $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding — $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy — $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund — $4.5 billion annual savings.
* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid — $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half — $7.5 billion annual savings
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% — $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service — $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program — $70 million annual savings.
*Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program — $125 million annual savings..
* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization — $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment — $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit — $2 billion annual savings.
* Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts — $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants — $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning — $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission — $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration — $293 million annual savings.
* Programs under the National and Community Services Act — $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy — $1.27 billion annual savings..
* Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership — $200 million annual savings..
* Energy Star Program — $52 million annual savings.
*Economic Assistance to Egypt — $250 million annually.
* U.S.Agency for International Development — $1.39 billion annual savings..
* General Assistance to District of Columbia — $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority — $150 million annual savings.
*Presidential Campaign Fund — $775 million savings over ten years..
* No funding for federal office space acquisition — $864 million annual savings.
* End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act — More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget — $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
*Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees — $1 billion total savings. WHAT’S THIS ABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees — $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of — $15 billion total savings.
*Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. WHAT???
* Eliminate Mohair Subsidies — $1 million annual savings.
*Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — $12.5 million annual savings. WELL ISN’T THAT SPECIAL
* Eliminate Market Access Program — $200 million annual savings.
* USDA Sugar Program — $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) — $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program — $56.2 million annual savings.
*Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs — $900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program — $27 million savings..
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
*TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
My question is, what is all this doing in the budget in the first place

Resourceguy
Reply to  pameladragon
December 29, 2016 12:48 pm

Remove solar and wind ITC and focus NSF grants on real science, cut admin costs across the boards with switch to block grants instead of cumbersome by design. Stop splintering the highway funds with mass transit that discriminates against rural states that don’t apply. Eliminate Bill Clinton’s metro planning authorities that spout anti-automobile bias with highway tax dollars.

Resourceguy
Reply to  pameladragon
December 29, 2016 1:22 pm

See the stimulus act by Obama (ARRA) for a further roadmap of what not to fund.

Reply to  pameladragon
December 29, 2016 1:56 pm

Interesting list. All Federal agencies, departments, commissions, and programs should be reviewed, and sunsetted—requiring regular review and reauthorization (if merited). I’d hate to see Amtrak cut, though.
/Mr Lynn

milwaukeebob
Reply to  pameladragon
December 29, 2016 1:57 pm

Well….. It’s a start.

TA
Reply to  pameladragon
December 29, 2016 3:29 pm

Obama won’t be taking any more vacations on the taxpayer’s dime which means an annual savings of $8 million, minus whatever Trump’s vacations will cost (if he takes any:).

Thomas Graney
December 29, 2016 2:36 pm

This is more of that “fake news” I’ve been hearing about, isn’t it?

Catcracking
December 29, 2016 2:43 pm
Catcracking
Reply to  Catcracking
December 29, 2016 2:45 pm

Sorry this did not appear where it should, probably my error. This is the link to the accuweather climate change center
http://www.accuweather.com/en/climate-change

littleoil
December 29, 2016 8:38 pm

Google climate change and your local council. You will be amazed at what you find!! Mine has photos of our park benches underwater and lawns cracked from drought. Neither of which have ever happened.

stock
Reply to  littleoil
January 2, 2017 11:29 am

I did, it was disgusting.

R. Wright
January 2, 2017 8:28 am

The Accuweather climate change website has made a another significant change in its climate coverage since the November election day. Prior to the Trump victory, the articles regarding Climate Change had a “comments” section, where climate realists and man-made climate change supporters would comment and debate the articles that had been presented.
However, as soon as the election occurred, a rising tide of commenters began making comments that tied to news stories about the impact of the Trump administration on climate change research.
Within a few days, Accuweather simply removed the entire comments function from the Climate Change website, seemingly to suppress the growing tide of comments regarding future plans for NASA, NOAA, the EPA, the Dept. of Energy, etc.

JSD
January 3, 2017 7:34 pm

Wisconsin has gone mad.

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