#standupforscience rally at #AGU16 – another Manntastic production

Another Manntastic event, these flyers were being distributed at AGU yesterday.

Note the “lab coats and signs provided”. Much more sciency with labs coats, fer sure.

Here are some pictures and video from the rally. I wasn’t much impressed with the quality of the arguments:


The guy in the lab coat with the red glasses (front, center), the only one not holding the sign, seems to have been drinking


Here’s the video. Michael Mann and Naomi Oreskes speak, along with a cast of acolytes. You’ll see lots of hand-waving and feelings of persecution, such as “it struck me to my core” and..”the nightmare continues, and its getting worse every day”. Ironically, there were no comments regarding their fossil fueled airline flights to get here to wail about the uses of fossil fuels. My favorite is when Mann says he’s “shocked, shocked, about the politicization of science”….riiiiight. He pushed his most recent book, snore.

I’m not sure what, if anything they accomplished, except to put on a show. I don’t think serious people paid much attention to it. I surely didn’t, because science and clown-like theatrics really don’t mix.

UPDATE: I forgot to mention that this rally was conducted on the steps of a Catholic Church, St. Patricks on Mission Street, which is right across from the Jessie Square/Yerba Buena gardens. Seems a perfect place to pitch a religion, doesn’t it?




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Paul Nevins
December 13, 2016 2:18 pm

Being irony impaired is apparently very difficult for these people.

Reply to  Paul Nevins
December 13, 2016 2:26 pm

They are about ten years too late with the “stand up for science” gig. They should have come out and backed Judith Curry when she said it 2006.
Soon they will be clawing each other eyes out in the fight for rapidly disappearing funding once Team Trump hits the Hill.

John Silver
Reply to  Greg
December 13, 2016 3:50 pm

Science is dead
It shot itself in the head
Better lie down

Reply to  Greg
December 14, 2016 10:59 am

The science is settled, we have no more need of you. Well done guys, here are your layoff notices.

Jerry C
Reply to  Greg
December 18, 2016 6:40 pm

John, let’s be very clear here. Climate science shot itself in the head by pushing a climate change theory that does not meet the requirements for being a scientific theory. A scientific theory is a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation. The biggest thing that a valid scientific theory has to do is be capable of observable and verifiable PREDICTION. In any other branch of science, the current theory of climate change would have thrown out over a decade ago and the people that lied and hid their data to push it would have been publically ridiculed, they would have lost their jobs, and they would never be taken seriously again unless many outside sources confirmed what they were trying to publish.

Reply to  Paul Nevins
December 13, 2016 3:39 pm

To Quote a different set of muppets, “Look Ma no brains”

Phil R
Reply to  Paul Nevins
December 13, 2016 5:02 pm

Paul Nevins
December 13, 2016 at 2:18 pm
Being irony impaired is NOT apparently very difficult for these people.
There, FIFY. :>)

Reply to  Phil R
December 13, 2016 6:50 pm

I thought (with not too much effort ; ) that it was a commentary on their apparent psycho/emotional state . . troubled minds, anxious and defensive, to say the least . .

December 13, 2016 2:18 pm

This partisan show of single-mindedness is embarrassing. Thanks for covering it, Anthony!

December 13, 2016 2:20 pm

You can have a scientist, or you can have an activist. Not both.

Reply to  Hivemind
December 13, 2016 2:31 pm

My favorite is when Mann says he’s “shocked, shocked, about the politicization of science”…

Damned right. Why should anyone apart from Mickey Mann and his acolytes be allowed to politicize science? It’s shocking I tell you.
I for one am SHOCKED.

Reply to  Greg
December 13, 2016 5:09 pm

A revolution is only illegal in the third person – never the first person. (paraphrased from B, Franklin)

Reply to  Greg
December 14, 2016 10:14 am

Perhaps Michael Mann is unaware of the context of Captain Renault’s statement “Shocked! Shocked I tell you..”
Renault was being sarcastically hypocritical in pointing out the duplicity of the situation.
The irony is palpable.

Reply to  Hivemind
December 13, 2016 5:15 pm

From this point forward, please label Michael Mann as a Democratic activist.

Pop Piasa
December 13, 2016 2:20 pm

The ‘Model Fellowship of Mann’ speaks out to protect its scientology.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 13, 2016 3:00 pm

The signs should have said “Protect the Progressive Scientific Method”.
Or maybe “Don’t Bust My Bunsen Burner budget”.

December 13, 2016 2:20 pm

How would you like to encounter any of these people when going in for an operation? “No, I think I’ll keep my prostate.”

December 13, 2016 2:24 pm

the guy in the center holding the plastic booze cup is Bill Murray on loan from a recent visit to the White House earlier this week. “Cinderella story. Outta nowhere. A former greenskeeper, now , about to become
the Master’s Champion. It’s a mirac…It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!”

Reply to  Scott Frasier
December 13, 2016 2:33 pm

Why is he dressed up as a pregnant woman?

Reply to  Scott Frasier
December 13, 2016 2:49 pm

At long last!
We all now know what a group of scientists looks like.
It is truly amazing.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  toorightmate
December 13, 2016 3:21 pm

Geez- the things eggheads have to come up with to get attention and generate money. Too many solvers of dubious problems. Let them work on cancer or heart research until the “climate calamity” starts claiming lives.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  toorightmate
December 14, 2016 5:25 am

If you p*ssed on their parade would that make you a Peer reviewer?

george e. smith
Reply to  Scott Frasier
December 13, 2016 3:15 pm

So where were Mann and Orestes hiding while this was going on ??

December 13, 2016 2:24 pm

Paul said….”Being irony impaired is apparently very difficult for these people.”.
Au contraire. Being irony impaired IS EXACTLY what these useful idjits are. They are born with it. Ignorance can be cured through learning….stupid is forever.

Will Nelson
Reply to  Justthinkin
December 13, 2016 3:40 pm

If I may paraphrase Paul: These people are having a difficult time and irony impairedness aint helpin.

Old Mike
December 13, 2016 2:30 pm

They remind me of lemmings, altogether now, “Hey ho, Hey ho, it’s of the cliff we go.”

Old Mike
Reply to  Old Mike
December 13, 2016 2:33 pm

“Off” the cliff not “of” the cliff, on the other hand some of them do like rather dense mineral material.

December 13, 2016 2:39 pm

Claude Rains as Mickey Mann:

December 13, 2016 2:40 pm

They had to use to use the unused lab coats for something, I suppose.
Climatologists don’t use or need labs, or experiments, or facts.
Hand waving and strident assertions are enough for climatologists!

george e. smith
Reply to  Mike Flynn
December 13, 2016 3:17 pm

You certainly don’t need a lab coat to model a perfectly non rotating planet, that is uniformly illuminated day and night.

Reply to  george e. smith
December 13, 2016 4:33 pm

You wear a lab coat in order to fool the peons.
What they are saying with the lab coat ploy is, “our science is so pathetically weak we can’t rely on it to prevail in the argument, so we have to use lab coats to fool the public into thinking we know more than we really know and they should trust us because we are the ones with the lab coats.
Intent to deceive. That’s a heck of a way to run a science program.

Joel O'Bryan
December 13, 2016 2:40 pm


Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 13, 2016 3:15 pm

I like it!
In Spanish, Manntiroso.

Reply to  Chimp
December 14, 2016 9:55 pm

Or this in Italian: the happy scientists look like escapees from the Mannicomio.

December 13, 2016 2:56 pm

Naomi is right, climate change will cost the American public trillions – in increased taxes. And in increased prices due to taxes on business. The public will pay. The “scientists” will be the only ones to benefit as they become the new oligarchy, just like the socialist masters of the USSR, spending their ill-gotten gains on gaudy trinkets such sea-side mansions.

Steve Case
Reply to  sadbutmadlad
December 13, 2016 5:18 pm

My thoughts exactly when she said that.

December 13, 2016 2:56 pm

We skeptics have been ardently standing up for science, casting a critical eye on unproven hypotheses and providing alternative hypotheses. Science is never to be trusted unless a hypothesis is thoroughly vetted. Oreskes and Mann are trying to hoodwink people into thinking, if someone doubts their favored hypotheses, then it is an attack against science, when those criticisms are simply revealing the shortcomings of that favored hypothesis. While people like Trenberth try to enforce mindless groupthink by suggesting researchers never debate skeptics, as well as trying to reverse the null hypothesis, only the skeptics are maintaining the very foundation of the scientific process.
This rally should convene in front of Mann or Trenberth’s office demanding they stop corrupting the scientific process.

Reply to  jim steele
December 13, 2016 3:10 pm

Jim, I agree. Am thinking the appropriate timing is just after 20 Jan 2017. About when a new administrations NSF senior officer announced all funding to them and theirs ceases because of abuse of science, pseudoscience, and nonscience.

December 13, 2016 3:04 pm

Liberals simply pollute and corrupt everything. They are making a sham of science. These are activists, not scientists. Trump needs to go after universities.

December 13, 2016 3:06 pm

If this is what Mann and Oreskes are reduced to, the end is nigh. Reminds me of Clintomrallies compared to Trump rallies. Note the “large” group of protesting scientists from among the about 24000 AGU attendees (last years number). Clearly 97% or more err, um, did NOT stand up for science. At least not this nonscience (pun intended). Thanks for another fascinating front line report on the spasmatic initial death throws of the warmunist cult religion. It appears last rites will need to be administered shortly after 20 Jan 2017.

Reply to  ristvan
December 13, 2016 3:11 pm

Clinton rallies. Darned fat iPad fingers.

Reply to  ristvan
December 13, 2016 3:39 pm

I can’t even see Oreskes or Mann in the “crowd” (don’t know what the other luminaries named in the flyer look like).

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Michael Palmer
December 13, 2016 4:58 pm

Mann and Oreskes aren’t stand-up people.

December 13, 2016 3:10 pm

If climate change is such a serious threat, then it will still be a threat with absolutely no funding whatsoever. Put your money where your mouth is: keeping doing “studies” that say it is a threat for free.
Of course, what will happen is they will loudly and publicly pout about a loss of funding and hope the Trumpster relents or is not re-elected. If neither happens, then the screaming banshees will have no choice but to move on because private jets and luxury homes aren’t free. The quest to stop the alarmists will only last until they run out of money. As long as they have enough money in reserve to pay for the high-life, it will survive. But if Trump isn’t re-elected, everything will quickly pick up where it left off.

Reply to  alexwade
December 13, 2016 3:19 pm

Don’t know whether he will want to run again. He could chose and groom a successor if not Pence, like any CEO transition. But 4 years is enough to permanently change US course. Scotus, constitutional federalism, revised CAA and CWA, revised health care system, revamped and implemented immigration policy (it does not take 4 years to build a ‘wall’, revised tax code, revised basic rules on regulations, …
That which is most difficult and also requiring legislation can wait til after the 2018 Senate election, where Dems are disproportionately at risk. There is just so much other low hanging fruit after 8 years of Obumer.

Pat Frank
Reply to  ristvan
December 13, 2016 5:09 pm

I hope he stays safe to get all that done, Rud. In my view, Mr. Trump is in much, much MUCHgreater danger from a malevolent physical attack by some extremist bigot than Mr. Obama ever was — if he was at all.

Joe Ebeni
December 13, 2016 3:14 pm

YESSSSS!!!!! Stand up for SCIENCE all you climate DENIERS. Like scientific method, empirical evidence, replicatable findings, open data, process and procedures, reasonable non Ad Hominem debate over differences of opinions……..THAT kind of SCIENCE!!! Hope I don’t need a sarc tag anywhere.

December 13, 2016 3:28 pm

How can anyone that calls himself a” scientist” stand there like a bunch of dopes? They haven’t a single free thought of their own if they can be willfully be duped like this. And these are “a leading” group of our science community? Wow we are in BIG trouble!

December 13, 2016 3:37 pm

Fact: Man only emits about 5% of the annual CO2 emissions, the rest is from nature.
Fact: Water vapor causes most of the greenhouse effect
Fact: CO2 only causes20-30% of warming.
Fact: The rate of the current warming is statistically indistinguishable from earlier warm periods.
Fact: In most studies CO2 follows temperature, not leads it (a cause cannot follow the effect)
Fact: There has been no statistically-significant global warming since 1995.
Fact: Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval times were probably warmer than recently.
Fact: The Pacific Northwest has been cooling for the last 25+ years
Fact: Glaciers retreated FASTER in the 1930s than recently
Fact: Current ocean rise is within historical norms.
Fact: Solar cycles are a better fit to climate than CO2.
Fact: Man’s CO2 has never been proven to cause dangerous warming.
Fact: The IPCC says the earth may have cooled since 1998 or may have warmed – they don’t know because the amount of warming they claim is less than the uncertainty.
Fact: There is a strong likelihood that the major portion of the temperature change observed in the 20th century was due to natural variations.
Fact: Cold kills 20 times more people than heat

Steve Case
Reply to  jim
December 13, 2016 5:26 pm

jim at 3:37 pm
Fact: The Pacific Northwest has been cooling for the last 25+ years

Gotta link fer dat?

tony mcleod
Reply to  jim
December 13, 2016 11:41 pm

Hmm, that’s the trouble when you cut and paste stuff like this without checking it yourself. The first three are ok but you might want to go and check the rest, as most of them are patently false. But that’s ok, you keep cutting and pasting them anyway.

Reply to  tony mcleod
December 14, 2016 7:50 am

Do you have any support for that claim. Other than the one on the Pacific northwest, on which I have no knowledge, every one of those claims is definitely true.

December 13, 2016 3:40 pm

Climate science need lab coats to protect themselves from sudden coffee spills as they stare at their non-Kardashian models and shriek: “It’s worse than we thought!”.

Mark from the Midwest
December 13, 2016 3:52 pm

This is so sophomoric, I’m almost speechless, yeah, I got nuttin’

December 13, 2016 4:01 pm

Mann, Oreskes, UCS… where is the science?

December 13, 2016 4:10 pm

Amazing! A bunch of people out complaining about something that may or may not happen. Foolishness at its best.

December 13, 2016 4:16 pm

“Support us in our delusion that also pays our salaries from your pocket!”

Mike Maguire
December 13, 2016 4:27 pm

Listening to what these people say, reminds me of people in a cult with captured/brainwashed minds.
They have no clue that the last 4 decades have featured the best weather/climate on this planet since the Medieval Warm Period, 1,000 years ago.
The beneficial increase in atmospheric CO2, along with the outstanding growing conditions are contributing greatly to record smashing crop yields and world food production as well as the greening up of our planet.
But what do I know. I’m just an operational meteorologist that has tracked global weather/climate since 1982, dialing that into an assortment of elements that contribute to crop yields and energy use.
“One, two, three, everybody repeat after me 3 times “resistance! resistance! resistance!”
What they are resisting is the condition of having an open mind to objectively view our weather/climate as it has been occurring the past 4 decades.

December 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Lab coats and pre-manufactured signs provided, scripted speeches, plenty of extras. The only thing missing to complete this episode of street theatre was the strips of duct tape over their mouths indicating that they are being “silenced” somehow. I guess that would have cut down on the free beer consumption, however, so that would not do.

Bill Illis
December 13, 2016 4:49 pm

Science Justice NOW! (Whatever that means).
At least one of those guys in the front in the middle at the beginning was drunk and they kept the camera angle of him afterward. That is why the camera angle in so awkward throughout the vid.comment image

Chris Riley
Reply to  Bill Illis
December 13, 2016 10:32 pm


Michael D Nelson
December 13, 2016 5:05 pm

Remember when Bill Clinton was impeached by the House. The democrats gathered on the steps at the Capitol for a photo op to show to solidarity.
Where did is this gathering together come from.

CD in Wisconsin
December 13, 2016 5:11 pm

These brilliant bulbs chose the right type of property on which to hold their rally. Couldn’t have chosen a more fitting place myself. Why didn’t Mann or Oreskes lead them in prayer…..?

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
December 13, 2016 5:33 pm

….One other thing: To the guy in the back holding up the “Ice Has No Agenda, It Just Melts Sign”—- The Antarctic ice probably hasn’t had an agenda for the past few decades either—-it just kept growing……

December 13, 2016 5:11 pm

I’ll be looking forward to hearing Willis’s impressions on this whole charade in San Francisco…

Thomas Graney
December 13, 2016 5:27 pm

Ice has no agenda, it just melts. LOL

December 13, 2016 5:29 pm

Two gals, Liza & Caroline, happened to meet in town one day.
Liza excitedly began, “Oh, Caroline honey, you would not bee…lieve what I’ been up to…”
Liza then launched into a monologue of how she had become a millionaire’s maid with all sorts of ‘perks’ and ‘privileges.’
Caroline politely and every so often responded with, “That’s jus’ faannn…tastic (fantastic)!”
After completing her 5 min. rant to Caroline, Liza asked, “By the way honey, what’ch y’all been up to?”
Caroline responded, “Oh, I’ jus’ been goin’ t’ Charm-School…”
Liza interrupted, “Oh, what’ch y’all been learnin’ in Charm-School?”
Caroline replied, “Well, right now we learnin’ how to say FAANNN…TASTIC! instead o’ BULL-SHIT!!”
[You too, now know the Charm-School definition of FANTASTIC!!…] 🙂

December 13, 2016 5:35 pm

Science and Naomi Oreskes in the same phrase?
The mind boggles.

Paul Zrimsek
December 13, 2016 5:39 pm

The guy in the red glasses is the most important person there. What’s science without beer review?

December 13, 2016 5:47 pm

My Lab’s coat is black. But, I’m not a smart scientist.

Nick Darby
December 13, 2016 5:52 pm

And the building adjacent to St Patrick’s is the Contemporary Jewish Museum, so lots of ideologies all round the square. BTW, the CJM is usually a very interesting place to visit.

golf charlie
December 13, 2016 5:57 pm

Imagine what would happen if all Climate Scientists went on strike to protest about Trump. No one would even notice their increase in productivity.

December 13, 2016 5:58 pm

When you have to have a science rally, with signs, slogans and megaphones, you know it’s not about science.

Reply to  Bruckner8
December 13, 2016 6:47 pm

Agree with you, except on Bruckner.

December 13, 2016 5:59 pm

You know, if they did less political grandstanding and more actual science with the scientific method we wouldn’t be at such loggerheads on the causes and nature of climate change.

December 13, 2016 6:05 pm

The Lab Coat as a Status Symbol.
Warburton FE. Science. 1960.
Warburton FE.
Science. 1960 Mar 25;131(3404):895.

December 13, 2016 6:23 pm
Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Neo
December 13, 2016 6:41 pm

They should be protecting the data from NOAA/NASA.

old construction worker
December 13, 2016 6:26 pm

First: Who paid for the lab coats and signs? Second: Are all of them, in the lab coats, scientist?

December 13, 2016 7:02 pm

What do we want?
“Lab Coats!”
When do we want them?
It’s not what it used to be!
Tenured Lives Matter!!!

December 13, 2016 7:26 pm

LOL I am impressed that AGU seems to always pick locations for there conferences that are friendly for there demonstrations.

December 13, 2016 7:27 pm

Lab coats and pre-printed signs, check. But who forgot the clown shoes?

Reply to  sciguy54
December 13, 2016 8:11 pm

Bill Nye was using them all at a bow tie convention.

December 13, 2016 8:48 pm

I wouldn’t get too excited about Trump. His Secretary of State is a climate change proponent … like John Kerry…not good

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
December 13, 2016 9:12 pm

Rex Tillerson a climate change proponent? More a climate realist. He’s certainly no John Kerry on climate.

Reply to  Aphan
December 13, 2016 11:29 pm

You wait and see…

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
December 14, 2016 8:54 am

“You wait and see”.
Yep. I consider it the logical thing to do rather than rushing to judgement.

Reply to  Aphan
December 14, 2016 4:53 am

Anything a CEO of an energy company has to say on that subject I wouldn’t take at face value. Companies don’t “stand up for science,” they take advantage of the political situation as best they can. Aligning themselves with the prevailing green dogma and getting in on the business of subsidy farming seems more promising than stubbornly clinging to the unpopular truth that oil isn’t going anywhere, especially if the “Exxon knew” hucksters are already nipping at your heels.

December 13, 2016 9:20 pm

Yea, but they are appealing to you from the steps of a church. Doesn’t that make you believe ? The new robes of the priests are white, how interesting. ( Part sarc, and part factual)

John F. Hultquist
December 13, 2016 9:38 pm

Thanks Mr. W., interesting stuff.

December 13, 2016 10:49 pm

Funny they all are now condemning the things they themselves have been doing for the last 8 yrs+

December 13, 2016 11:07 pm

Why didn’t they have that rally in Minneapolis or a point farther north?

R.S. Brown
December 14, 2016 12:15 am

Oh boy !
Rallies to stop political climate change !!

December 14, 2016 12:27 am

If everyone who accepts these people’s views on climate were to pay for renewable energy, biofuels, electric cars and the like, with no subsidies at all from taxpayers, I for one (and probably all sceptics) would leave them all alone to do and say anything they wanted about CAGW. Put the onus on them to convince people to pay real money for their perceived problem, and leave the rest of us alone.

Reply to  Jer0me
December 14, 2016 12:31 am

And pay for tgese scientivists too, of course!

December 14, 2016 1:14 am

At first I was wandering if this was for real, but of course you can’t make this up……

Steve Borodin
December 14, 2016 2:04 am

I hope you are all planning to attend the Pope’s Christmas Rally this year: Stand Up for Atheism.
Or perhaps the Guardian’s: Truth Matters. (Co-sponsors with the BBC).

Gary Pearse
December 14, 2016 2:21 am

When the new admin makes science great again, it won’t be recognized by this crop of postnormalists. They’ll just have to die off of old age. A major something has to be done to science education to restore it and, in this amoral age, a code of ethics plus disciplinary enforcement is needed for science as is the case for engineering and for the same reason, protection of the public. Without this, it is vulnerable to politicization and subversion by new world order totalitarians.

Bruce Cobb
December 14, 2016 4:54 am

So these were stand up comedians, right? Make-believe scientists dressed like scientists “standing up” for faux science? Funny. Not. Except for the obviously drunk guy front and center. He was hilarious.

December 14, 2016 7:46 am

Reminds me of a rally to support ObamaCare back when it was still being debated. The organizers provided lab coats and stethoscopes to all participants.

December 14, 2016 10:34 am

Flyers should have read … Rally Stand Up For Science Fiction.
Then the costumes would have been most appropriate.

December 14, 2016 12:47 pm

This is virtue-signaling and nothing more.

Nick Ryan
December 14, 2016 1:35 pm

Agreed climate change is a red herring but …it’s a coffee cup, you politicised morons

Non Nomen
Reply to  Nick Ryan
December 15, 2016 1:37 am

Is there any beverage you can’t drink from a coffe cup?

December 14, 2016 3:32 pm

Merely preaching to the choir.

December 15, 2016 5:49 am

Lab coats are PPE, not to be worn outside of the lab. Apparently, none of the people on the steps has ever worked in a lab, or they were never taught the ABCs of lab safety.
This reminds me of BO’s photo op with alleged doctors in lab coats selling Obamacare. No self-respecting doctor would wear it outside of the workplace. If my doctor did that, I’d quickly find a different doctor.
We cite research labs during safety inspections for improper use and management of lab coats and other PPE.

Johann Wundersamer
December 20, 2016 2:12 am

“it struck me to my core” and..”the nightmare continues, and its getting worse every day”. Ironically, there were no comments regarding their fossil fueled airline flights to get here to wail about the uses of fossil fuels.”
“Comess from right across from the Jessie Square/Yerba Buena gardens. Seems a perfect place to pitch a religion, doesn’t it?”
– makes one smile!

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