Guest essay by Eric Worrall
A senior member of the Chinese dictatorship has demanded that Donald Trump renege on his commitment to the American People to tear up the Paris Climate Agreement, if he wins the Presidency.
China criticises Donald Trump’s plan to exit Paris climate deal
In a rare comment on a foreign election, veteran climate chief says a wise political leader should make policy in line with global trends.
China on Tuesday rejected a plan by US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to back out of a global climate change pact, saying a wise political leader should make policy in line with global trends, a rare comment on a foreign election.
The world is moving towards balancing environmental protection and economic growth, China’s top climate change negotiator told reporters, in response to a query on how China would work with a Trump administration on climate change.“If they resist this trend, I don’t think they’ll win the support of their people, and their country’s economic and social progress will also be affected,” Xie Zhenhua said.
“I believe a wise political leader should take policy stances that conform with global trends,” China’s veteran climate chief said.
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Xie’s comments come as China plans to launch a national carbon trading scheme in 2017.
The scheme is on track and pilot programmes have already traded 120m carbon allowances with total transactions amounting to 3.2bn yuan ($472.29m), he added.
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At first glance it might seem that Xie Zhenhua is being completely unreasonable, but in my opinion the person who is really to blame for the confusion which led to this outrageous Chinese demand is President Obama.
Obama did everything in his power to convince the world that his signature on the Paris Agreement meant something. But without ratification by the US Senate, President Obama’s signature on the Paris agreement is just an autograph, without legal force or standing.
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How about Trump demanding the exact same deal as China got ….Do nothing for 30 years except build more coal power plants…
Thanks to fracked Nat Gas, while lowering prices, we are also lowering our CO2. When any other country does the same, then they can talk to us. Not that I care about CO2, but my point is that we are doing what they want because we are switching to something that is cheaper for us to use while simultaneously cleaner by their standards, CO2.
As China is not doing as economically well as we are led to believe, according to the MSM, they would love to have the US hamstring itself and cripple its own economy. The demand is as self-serving as it can get.
Amazing hypocrisy from the Chinese who have most of the last century in self-imposed near isolation and never gave a damn about “global trends”.
It is laughable that the dictatorship of the chinese communist party think they should be telling a candidate for an elected presidency what he should or should not be proposing to do.
They are clearly very happy with a deal where the western counties voluntarily agree to screw their own economies and let the chinese have a free pass for the next two decades.
China has become the Wok calling the Kettle Black.
USA CO2 production is down 7% while China CO2 production is up 13.3%
China has a population of 1.384B and almost 1/2 (47%) live in what would be called Energy Poverty and still depend on Solid Fuels for heating and cooking leading to far greater localized and indoor particulate polution
“It is laughable that the dictatorship of the chinese communist party think they should be telling a candidate for an elected presidency what he should or should not be proposing to do.”
The Chinese Dictatorship thinks they can tell *everyone* what to do. All Leftists and Totalitarians think they have the right to dictate to others. For the good of society, of course.
Tell Xie that USA will start considering to implement the Paris accords in 2050, allowing 3 years to study whether the Chinese implementation has borne any fruit for the change of climate.
It seems to me the proper response from Trump is, “Dear China, blow it out your ***.”
Anthony someone is f***ing with your website
How about Trump demanding the exact same deal as China got ….
If we going the way we’re going….we will be a “developing” country and qualify
LOL
http://www.thegwpf.com/the-world-is-swimming-in-cheap-oil-stockpiles-show-largest-jump-on-record/
“China’s carbon dioxide emission will peak by around 2030 and China will work hard to achieve the target at an even earlier date,” Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said in a statement after meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris.
Reuters
Riiight! and the will accomplish this ‘peak’ my simply ceasing to measure CO2 after 2030 and declare compliance.
China will work hard to achieve peak CO2 earlier. ( IE, build more planned fossil fuel engery plants earlier then currently planned.)
Tell Xie Zhenhua to go pound sand.
+30
When people call Obama a Chicom stooge, they’ll be doubly right – a Chinese and Chicago stooge.
Why are our “leaders” most-often the cause of our problems?
“Why are our “leaders” most-often the cause of our problems?”
Really good leaders don’t come along very often. It takes a special person to see the Big Picture and also have the drive and energy and determination to accomplish what that Big Picture says needs to be done to secure the future.
There are a lot of powerful, assertive leaders, but few of them really have any vision for the future, other than the shortterm, selfish view.
The Paris agrement is really a plan to move all Western industry(capitalism) to China and India?
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20130228/001ec949fb5912992fa934.jpg
“The world is moving towards balancing environmental protection and economic growth, ”
Yeah, Trump will start out this economic “balancing” by declaring China a currency manipulator.
China’s leaders and Trump are going to have a lot to discuss in the future. Expect a lot of belicose statements from Chinese spokespeople in the future, too. It’s not going to intimidate Trump, though. Trump will be the one doing the intimidating. Trump is going to straighten out our trades agreements, and China is Job One. China likes having a huge trade surplus with the U.S. so expect them to complain when Trump decides to reduce that figure drastically in the favor of the U.S.
I can hear them hollering now.
China “manipulates” it’s currency by buying US treasuries.
Do you really want China to stop buying US debt? If not them, who?
I certainly would rather China NOT hold debt paper against US. I would rather have US not indebted to any foreign power
There’s an old saying. When you owe the bank $100 dollars, the bank owns you. When you owe the bank $1M you own the bank.
We owe so much to the Chinese, that if we were to default on the debt, it would destroy their economy.
Lol! Can you see their solar panels?
The scheme is on track and pilot programmes have already traded 120m carbon allowances with total transactions amounting to 3.2bn yuan ($472.29m)
what a scheme: average allowance is 472.29/120 = $3.94
And even that is at least 10-fold too small for the CC cultists.
As I recall, carbon trading allowances of at least $40/mt carbon are believed needed to achieve a change in market behavior. Then to actually force the market to bring anthropogenic CO2 emissions to zero, allowance numbers of $400 to $1000/mt are thrown around.
Apparently the illusion of doing something is all that matters.
And of course, just like the Congress of the US, these carbon laws will not apply to those that create then
joel, I believe that was announced by the “Beloved Leader” of the capitalistic country of Canada. just last month. Makes you wonder.
“Then to actually force the market to bring anthropogenic CO2 emissions to zero, allowance numbers of $400 to $1000/mt are thrown around.”
That won’t slow down the likes of Leo, Al and their jet setting buds.
Even if gas is $100 per gallon they’ll still cruise in their yachts.
Oh no, that is not what matters. I am sure that what matters is that some of this money ends up in the hands of the Chinese leadership.
but whatever sum..and it will rise
the fact is its ALL about someone in the green scum pond making megabucks once again isnt it?
“The world is moving towards balancing environmental protection and economic growth”
“I believe a wise political leader should take policy stances that conform with global trends,”
NFW
I believe the alternative spelling is ” NutZ ! ”
G
Similar to General McAuliffe, acting division commander of the 101st Airborne Division and surrounded by German troops in Bastogne, Belgium, during World War II.
German negotiators demanded a surrender and needed a response, from McAuliffe, that they could deliver to their bosses; McAuliffe said tell them “NUTS” and walked away.
China should put their money where their mouth is and begin “Policy stances that Conform with Global Trends”
OK China, If you want President Trump to conform with global trends, show us first that you can first…Walk the Talk
This episode, assuming that Trump wins, will be a great opportunity for everyone to see how our government actually works. The President can say what they want, but at the end of the day, our laws are above the presidency.
The agreement is neither a treaty or a law. We don’t have to say anything or do anything. Obama committed to it, not the American people. The president doesn’t make law. We don’t live in a dictatorship…. yet. Executive orders hold no force of law.
The Chinese ought to sue Obama for false pretenses. Obama lied to them and claimed he could do something he could not really do, which is bind the U.S. to a treaty without going through Congress. Obama misrepresented the facts.
Of course, the Chinese know all this. They are just blowing smoke. They probably think if they make a big deal out of it, they might become the leader of the pack at the UN on climate change, especially considering that the U.S. will no longer be in that role.
Even better China, ARREST Obama for fraud next year, many of them in fact…
Not the first time a foreign country has a bounty on
Has 8 years of Obama taught you nothing? Obama put in leftist/enviros at head or & throughtout all organization in his Admin! Blatantly broke Constition at ever turn and Congress whistled pass the graveyard. The head tells the snakes body what to do and where to go. We need a POTUS who loves USA more than money to stop our AGW foolishness!
Fortunately a change of leadership equates to a change of administration.
I’m ready for Year of the Woman and the first Female Administration at all levels. Anything is better than the current (unseen) CO2 presidency theme…with wrecked science as a side casualty. And I’ll take the selling of Presidential pardons if it means no more side deals for insiders running fake renewable energy firms into the ground at taxpayer expense.
Well, RGuy — brace yourself: TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN.
And, apparently, you are so upset about the “CO2 presidency theme” (and understandably so) that you are not able to think straight. Just a friendly reminder:
1. Democrat polices are wrecking the economy — this hurts everyone (even women).
2. So what if fake solar/wind/”renewable” companies are shut down?? The legal ones are a blood-sucking tumor on our economy (via taxes bleeding income from businesses and consumers and via rate-surcharges bleeding money that could have created new jobs via investment in capital like factories/trucks and via consumers spending on products made by the new job holders).
Rotten & Co.’s syndicate plans to expand this junk by 500 million solar panels (and that’s just part of their racket)!
Well we have had some very fine women candidates run; and one day one of them will win.
Hillary Clinton was the prime enabler for Bill Clinton’s multiple assaults on women; so much for her concern for women’s issues.
We had enough morons wanting to be a part of history and vote for the first black president; not counting Bill Clinton; and some of them even admit to voting for him twice even after watching four years of is scorched earth destruction of American values.
Hillary is NO Margaret Thatcher; it’s not known whether she is capable of polishing Margaret Thatcher’s shoes. She is not known for having done anything in her whole life.
Perhaps she will see the day when a competent woman does become POTUS. She ain’t it.
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As for her ability to defend this country; at this point what on earth does it matter !
Now lets go back to that Obama U.S.-China Joint Climate Change and Clean Energy Cooperation act and what China did agreed to?
From the FACT SHEET: U.S.-China Joint Announcement on Climate Change and Clean Energy Cooperation
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/11/fact-sheet-us-china-joint-announcement-climate-change-and-clean-energy-c
At the same time, President Xi Jinping of China announced targets to peak CO2 emissions around 2030, with the intention to try to peak early, and to increase the non-fossil fuel share of all energy to around 20 percent by 2030.
In political spin talk, China will grow CO2 at the rate they want till 2030, then will increase the mix of non-fossil fuel (think nuclear power, thorium reactors & hydro growth of 3X the size of the Gorges Dam). Their planned growth doesn’t need what the West considers ‘renewable’s. If you actually look at China Power future growth plan, Obama gave away the store to get exactly what China was planning to do anyway.
How hard will China have to go to get to the vaunted 20% non-fossil fuel share.
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/11/non-fossil-fuel-sources-provide-25-chinas-electricity/
According to the latest round of statistical data issued by CEC, China’s nation-wide electricity generation reached 5550TW hours in 2014, for year-on-year growth of 3.6%.
In 2014, nationwide hydropower generation breached the 1000 TW hour threshold for the first time in history to reach 1070TW hours,
1070 TW / 5550 TW = 19.23 %
Despite China’s ongoing push for expanded wind power capacity, usage hours for wind power installations fell by 120 hours last year to 1905 hours. Nationwide grid-connected wind power generation nonetheless posted a year-on-year gain of 12.2%, to reach 156.3 TW hours.
156.3 TW / 5550 TW = 02.82 %
China’s grid-connected solar power capacity also posted an impressive increase in 2014, rising by 67.0% year-on-year to reach 26.52GW by the end of December 2014. Nationwide grid-connected solar power generation reached 23.11 TW hours in 2014, for a year-on-year increase of 170.8%.
23.11 TW / 5550 TW = 00.42%
Nationwide nuclear power generation in 2014 was 126.2 TW hours, for a year-on-year increase of 13.2% Usage times fell 385 hours year-on-year to 7489 hours on average.
126.2 TW/ 5550 TW = 02.28 %
Hydro + Nuc = 19.23% + 2.28% = 21.51% They are already over the 20 percent over now.
Another non-Senate approved Agreement.
I thought that we weren’t allowed to count hydro power as renewable or alternate, and that we weren’t allowed to mention nuclear.
OH, Well if we get to count Big Hydro and Nuclear the US is already over 30% itself.
It’s just too bad that the Greens have been putting so much effort into blocking new production of both over the last few decades. we’d probably be over 40% by now if they hadn’t, maybe even over 50%.
our laws are above the presidency
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nonsense. Clinton pardon of Marc Rich for $550k donation. The US legal system is bought and sold.
The system is just fine.
There is NO system that a crook cannot game. The key is: get rid of the crooks (especially those in the agency whose job is to do just that — like Comey).
One of the GOOD things to come out of the Nixon Watergate proceedings was: the system worked.
Not perfect. What human creation ever was??
The blame lies squarely at the feet of the corrupt individuals infesting Wash., D. C..
To fix it takes just one person: Donald Trump.
Good call, Janice. Any system is only as good as the people running it. At least in a democracy, the bums can be voted out. Not so, anywhere else.
Thanks, Pat. Thank you for taking the time to affirm that.
Praying for your paper (summarized in the “No Certain Doom…” youtube video) to be published — soon!
“P” is for peer review, publication, and… (grr) PATIENCE.
Hang in there!
Janice
Thanks for your good wishes, Janice. Things are suddenly not looking good for the submission at the current journal. Still hope, but the sky is darker.
More than 5200 views of the video, though. So, word is getting out. All thanks to Jane Orient and Jeremy Snavely of the DDP.
Janice Moore — Your writing exhibits a rare combination of sense and passion. — Eugene WR Gallun
Oh, Pat, that is too bad. I’ll keep praying, though! Take care.
Thank you, Mr. Gallun! #(:))
You know, Janice, it’s just possible that Comey might not be a crook, although it certainly seemed that way the first time around. Scott Adams has an interesting take on Comey’s behaviour.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152531307171/james-comey-as-seen-through-the-persuasion
Hi, Monna,
Good to hear from you again. I hope you are keeping warm, up there!
LOL, though I don’t always agree with his philosophy, I love Scott Adams’ writing and thinking in general. Wit in the service of accuracy.
While Adams’ theory about Comey is intelligently (and creatively!) crafted, for me, it boils down to this:
If Comey was a “hero,”
he would have done his job.
We, the American people, hired him to prosecute crooks and make the U.S. justice system work. He is simply a paid-off thug for Crooked Hillary. The End.
Thanks for sharing some excellent writing.
Your American ally for truth,
Janice
P.S. (to Ms. Monhas) Forgot about the “why did he do it” re: new e mail revelation
I think: he was forced to somehow. I don’t have enough information to be fairly certain of any given possibility, but, something/someone (God, perhaps! — I HAVE (and others, too, no doubt!) been praying God would expose that rotten crook Clinton and destroy her filthy career — soon!) forced him into that.
There’s some concern that the Chinese “Carbon Trading Scheme” has some of the corrupt characteristics that lined Al Gore’s pockets with greenbacks in a totally non-transparent and “under the table” manner.
Not a good signal for China to send to the rest of the world!!!
Didn’t you know AGW stands for “Al Gore’s Wealth”?
Considering the size of the Chinese economy, less than half a billion dollars (3.2billion yuan) is a symbolic gesture.
“Chinese Official Demands Donald Trump Submit…”
He’s not going to like that.
He’s just trolling Trump and giving Trump another credible talking point to his “US-first” mantra.
He’s not going to give a damn so China better not push him too hard!
I remember being in LA in July in the 1960’s as a kid and you couldn’t walk down the street without your eyes stinging. I’ve also been to Beijing during a high pollution day and you couldn’t walk down the street without your eyes stinging and your lungs burning. Plus in LA there was a haze but in Beijing there was a fog.
I can say with a sample of size one it was far worse in Beijing. Maybe The Donald can explain the “people who lives in glass houses” concept to the Chinese government if he wins. With Confucius and all, maybe they will understand the concept.
“rbabcock November 2, 2016 at 8:15 am
I remember being in LA in July in the 1960’s as a kid and you couldn’t walk down the street without your eyes stinging.”
I experienced that in Christchurch, New Zealand in about 1996. I think that may have been due to solid fuel log burners though.
Obama’s signature comprises an executive agreement to a pact that has an opt out. The next executive can opt out. China doesn’t like that because it loses the unfair manufacturing/electricity advantage Obama stupidly gave them.
Rist: Worse than that. It is an illegal treaty that has not been submitted to the Senate for ratification as required by the Constitution. Typical of liberal government: laws do not apply when you REALLY want to do something.
Not a chance.
The Russians financed anti-fracking efforts in the US, playing the US enviros as classic Stalinesque Useful Idiots. This of course, was to reduce downward economic pressure on their own gas export business.
The Chinese see the hobbling of US manufacturing via international regulation as in their own best interest. Again, they are playing the US eviros as Mao-esque Useful Idiots.
Yes. And notice that the D’s never complained about Russia interfering in US politics at that time.
Leftists define right and wrong based purely on whether they benefit.
Illuminating but not unexpected – Paris confers a massive competitive advantage upon China and other developing nations – not to mention the sales of solar panels. Paris must be one of China’s greatest polotical and economic triumphs, and not a drop of blood was spilt!
Only because freezing to death doesn’t involve bleeding.
Exactly! The Chinese are playing the West for fools!
but we are…
Only some of us are fools. Unfortunately, all our governments are run by crooks.
No – “If your enemy is intent on their own self destruction, get out of their way” – The chinese are simply allowing us to play the fools.
Once the investments have been made its very hard to reverse and back out so I dont blame China for this.
China is to finance and France is to build the new UK’s Hinkley Point C nuclear plant, the current cost estimate is US $50 billion. This joint project is suppose to be a spring-board for a huge business in similar projects around the world, the thinking being “if it’s good for British it is good for xyz “
If Trump is to tear up the Paris Climate Agreement, the future of this Sino-French world wide mega business project may evaporate in the thin air.
Well that’d be one good outcome from his election.
but in truth Hinkley has nothing to do with Paris agreement or climate change…
both Greenpeace and Christopher Booker have condemned it… its a pointless development which is only going ahead for reasons of political prestige.
Professor Allan Lichtman says: Trump !
Greenpeace is opposed to anything that makes life better for people.
Wrong again Griff! Without the relentless pressure from the watermelons to reduce CO2 output, Hinckley Point would never be built. It is a project of idiotic cost and miniscule benefit. That’s how you know to colour it Green!
The Donald is like a small child who won’t let any others play with his toys, nor will he countenance any view other than his own.
Whether the Paris agreement is right or wrong, this symptomatic of his basic behaviour traits. If applied to wider US international relations, the US may (despite its huge GDP) become marginalised as a global player with China and even the bureaucratic EU dominant.
I didn’t know you knew Trump personally. Thanks for filling us in.
When you reference world leaders acting like children, I was sure you would reference our own spoiled brat, petulant President Stompy Feet.
“nor will he countenance any view other than his own” : Famously “I have a pen and I have a phone”
“Whether the Paris agreement is right or wrong” : The actual policy does not matter, going forward we are going to judge based on “basic behaviour traits”. Sounds like a plan to me.
“become marginalised as a global player” : Might this not remind you of the last 8 years of Foreign Policy under the current administration?
“even the bureaucratic EU dominant” : Speechless!
Other than that, great comment.
+10
I remember in the first year of his presidency, when the Republicans complained that they were being locked out of all negotiations regarding ObamaCare, Obama had a two word answer “I won”.
Of course two years later, the Democrats tried to claim that the reason why ObamaCare was failing was because the Republicans refused to help draft it.
“a small child” …. who managed to become a billionaire many times over….. who came in “early and under budget” ….. .
Hm. Who should I vote for? A lying crook whose policies will wreck the American economy?
Or the “small child?”…..
One vote for the “small child” coming up!
+1E6
Janice, that’s a logical way of looking at it. Another possible way is to remember the wisdom of our forefathers in writing the First Amendment establishing a free and independent press with the objective of having a watchdog on the “leaders”. Who should you vote for, a government that will be scrutinized by the press for every attempt to take our freedoms away OR a government that has the press and media in their pocket and will rubber stamp every action and cover up criminal behavior?
The choice is clear.
“Whether the Paris agreement is right or wrong, this symptomatic of his basic behaviour traits. If applied to wider US international relations, the US may (despite its huge GDP) become marginalised as a global player with China and even the bureaucratic EU dominant.”
The U.S. does most of its trading with Canada and Mexico. I doubt either one of them will try to marginalize their trade with the U.S. If they did, it would be detrimental to them.
China can go fish. They can’t threaten the U.S. and make it stick. The U.S. is in the driver’s seat. We just need a leader to take hold of the wheel and steer us in the right direction for a change.
Terry, as a Clinton supporter, how don’t you feel a total and utter disgust for yourself.
EU dominant? You dont know much about Europe do you? Its communist version of the Clinton foundation. Its going bust in the next 10 years
So, right and wrong are irrelevant? Telling the world what they already know, this stuff is bogus, is what needs to be done.
All Trump has to do is pull all energy subsidies, level the playing field.
He doesnt have to say hes for or against climate change, just say hes against subsidies
Depends on what you call “energy subsidies”. Carbonistas love playing that game.
I condiser subsidies to be: Monies paid out by the Federal Government to a corporation to positively affect their economic viability.
I do not consider a subsidy to be: Monies Not Charged against a corporation that could negatively affect their economic viability.
(Monies charged against a company that negatively affect their economic viability is called a TAX)
I meant fixed tariffs, abolish all fixed tariffs, let each energy source battle it out in the open market
Reagan “deregulated” crude oil production and pricing in early 1981.
And get rid of mandated renewable feed-ins.
As soon as the market decides, renewables dies..
leaving the rotting husks of useless crucifixes and bird burners littering the landscape.
And what in the world makes anyone think that the Chinese have the slightest interest in adhering to the “agreement”. Their only interest is in making sure that the US continues to destroy its industrial base by enacting ever more damaging “environmental” rules.
“without ratification by the US Senate, President Obama’s signature on the Paris agreement is just an autograph, without legal force or standing.”
Hit the nail on the head, Eric. Of course, “King” Obama thinks he can make the U.S. do as he pleases, but sorry, it doesn’t work that way.
I think Xie is missing the point of democracy.
There’s collusion between the Clinton Global Initiative and the Chinese government, which explains why the Chinese government are for Hillary and against the Donald.
“There’s collusion between the Clinton Global Initiative and the Chinese government,”
And the Chinese probably have plenty of blackmail material from all those “collusions” with the Clintons over these many years. China owns Hillary. You can be sure of that.
I think he is also missing the outcome of the election.
Comrade Xie needs to stick his comments where the sun don’t shine.
As for, “…a wise political leader should make policy in line with global trends…”, to heck with global trends. Much of the rest of the world is AFU, IMO. Why should we follow them.
Ancient occidental wisdom: If all your friends jumped off a cliff …
Stand off to one side and watch.
Then comfort the girlfriends.
MarkW : I am all for that!
“As for, “…a wise political leader should make policy in line with global trends…”, to heck with global trends. Much of the rest of the world is AFU, IMO. Why should we follow them.”
Xi is appealing to authority. Like the climate alarmists do. And like all others who don’t really have an argument, do.
“The world is moving towards balancing environmental protection and economic growth…”
He means like seizing the South China Sea against applicable sea law and international conventions.
I don’t see he demanded anything…
He just pointed out it would be a bad decision which would have consequences.
The rest of the world is moving to implement the Paris agreement… how can the US stay out?
Easily. The Paris Agreement isn’t a treaty. It hasn’t been submitted to the Senate. It does not have the force of law. Hopefully, if Trump wins, he’ll withdrawal from the agreement.
wouldn’t have to formally withdraw since the “agreement” is meaningless as-is, so just ignore the whole mess and work to pass new laws that restore sane, scientifically sound order to US national policy
The agreement is meaningless, as-is, in the US. Trump still needs to withdrawal from it so, when the next idiot decides the Paris agreement is a good idea after all, it is that much harder to get it signed a second time… We could have another good ‘ol fashion controversy…again…ugh
No, Trump needs no withdrawal. The agreement has no weight of law. It is merely an executive policy that the next president (even Clinton) can ignore. Obama knew he could not get it past the senate so went the easy route. But the easy route is also easily undone.
Just because “the rest of the world” wants to jump off an economic cliff for some fantasy “reason” doesn’t mean we have to.
Besides, you’d have to be stupid to implement the Paris agreement , Griff.
which makes the entire world, all its governments stupid.
not one of them have found any evidence or reason not to sign up to and implement Paris – except possibly the US.
all their economies will tank, leaving the US alone as a working economy…
Oh, come on!
Griff–what is the name of that fallacy in Latin. . . I think it is argumentam ad populam, that as something is widely believed it is true. No one has spoken Latin as a native language in about 1500 years, so. . .
To quote the great philosopher “Stupid is as stupid does”.
The rest of the world is doing something stupid. IE killing their economies to solve a problem that never existed.
Even Mosher admitted the other day that environmentalism was just the cover for doing policies that had already been decided on.
There’s also no absolute proof that CO2 is causing global warming nor is there any proof that additional CO2 has been anything but beneficial, Griff. You’d have to be stupid to belong to a movement for which there is no proof. Common sense indicates you’ve been HAD!
For one thing, The U.S.A. is a Democracy where people VOTE…Second, China does not even have to start to worry about it for another 30 years, as per the “agreement”…
And, also, Griff, you appear to be unfamiliar with superficially polite “Chinese” —
= “Do this, or else you will be sorry.”
“how can the US stay out?”
Easy, just ignore it. It is all nothing more than a great big pile of international rent seeking, and everybody knows it. Through it all, nobody has any power to enforce any of it.
The 99% other than the US aren’t going to like that.
Tough? What can they do about it?
Griff, you want 99%, I will give you 99%.
Russia, China, India have no obligations, only promises.
The EU is an economic shambles, in no position to make demands. Most of everybody else are on the “taker” side of the ledger, no wonder they signed up for it.
As long as we are on the topic of Treaty Obligations:
Let’s take a look at NATO, Member states have an obligation to spend 3.0% of GDP on defense. An obligation which has been universally ignored by European members for decades. The best of them barely manages 1.0% in a good year. (Even little Lithuania and Estonia do better. Of course, they both are right next door to the Russian bear.)
If the EU wants to whine about the Paris Accords, they can be reminded about other treaties that are out there. I bet they would not like that either.
It’s 2%, not 3%, if I remember correctly. And Britain and Canada meet the obligation also, or at least they did the last time I checked. As for the rest…
I think you’ll find that Brazil, India and China and whole of Europe will implement the changes.
The US is really out of step with world opinion/development of new technologies.
As if China, India, and Brazil mean anything. The Chinese don’t don’t have an opinion as its communist. What makes you think they have any intention of destroying their economic base anyway ? India has a problems that defy imagination. Pick a problem. Rampant poverty, child slavery, pooping on the streets ? And Brazil, that’s a joke, right ? Shanty towns, gangs and criminals. As if the poor huddled masses are crying out for climate change justice. In your mind Griff, only in your mind. I think all of them have been promised some form of financial incentive from the west ( meaning the US ) . Europe has decided to commit suicide . The only thing that will happen with money from the west will be to fatten up somebody’s piggybank. Your disconnected from the real world Griff.
Fascinating how fascists think.
They actually believe that people have an obligation to do whatever the majority is doing.
Griffy-baby – The US can and should (will) stay out of conformance with the treaty, merely because it is not in best economic interest of the USA. Period. End of quotation.
The rest of the world can go any way they wish. And so should the USA. Most rational-thinking Americans, think the USA should go back to being a producing nation (as opposed to an environmentally and regulatory-repressed, non-producing nation), back to developing and utilizing our own natural resources to include the ready-made, idle, and waiting labor forces – to the eventual benefit of all Americans – and if history tells us anything regarding a prosperous USA, the rest of the world benefits as well – when trade deals between nations are equitable.
Don’t get me wrong, environmental controls will still be required as the USA shifts back to prosperity – but only as, when, where, and if required as opposed to the current punitively imposed regulations on air, soil, and water use.
I have had these ideas (ideals?) for a time long before Mr. Trump came along. While I, like quite a few people I know may not agree with some of what the Republican candidate for the POTUS says and does, a whole lot more of what he says and does I do agree with.
Rising out of the cesspool of unbalanced international treaties, above stifling environmental regulation, above welfare-stat-ism can only be good for a once-proud nation. You should come up here and visit the States sometime Griff. We have overcome greater odds before. You may be impressed with us here, who knows. We still have the stuff available to be a gret nation again. The rest of the world can come along for the ride, if they wish.
MCR
I love visiting the US and meeting Americans…
Y’all should get across to Europe and look at what goes on there…!
Don’t worry Griff, I have no intention of visiting Europe. I don’t consider being on my personal highest alert level a vacation. All those wonderful people they are bringing in.
Going there for business ….. do I have to ?
Lived there for several years. I am very familiar with the continentals.
I’ve been to Europe, various countries, many times. Lot’s of history, it’s expensive, pretty countryside once you get away from the cities. Other than that, Europe and it’s ideas can stay in Europe. I have no need, or desire to emulate Europe.
The rest of the world is moving to implement the Paris agreement…
By “rest of the world” I assume you mean all of the world that gets paid
“The rest of the world is moving to implement the Paris agreement… how can the US stay out?”
The Paris Agreement doesn’t even have an enforcement provision. Any nation can opt out without suffering any consequences, other than being browbeaten by Leftists/Alarmists.
““The rest of the world is moving to implement the Paris agreement… how can the US stay out?””
Easy.. just say… “No Thanks”
Nancy Reagan had the right line, just the wrong subject.
“Just say no!”
Its voluntary Griff. Third world signed for the promised $billions from USA and EU. No one intends to follow it except the dickhead progressives in Europe;
So far, 92 out of 197 parties have signed the Paris agrrement. We would be going with the majority of the rest of the world if we did NOT sign.
Oh, just yes no. Very simple.
They just handed Trump another reason to vote for him; peeing off China. He should be thanking them.
I completely agree. China’s britches have been too big for too long.
great idea… put some aircraft carriers in the South china Sea, start a limited nuclear exchange.
As opposed to your preferred solution. Give the communists everything they want.
@ur momisugly Griff, why a limited exchange? If we’re gonna go that route, let’s go whole hog.
oops…forgot the /sarc
So Griff thinks saying NO to the climate treaty means a nuclear war.
That’s pretty SICK thinking !!
Griff November 2, 2016 at 9:23 am
“put some aircraft carriers in the South china Sea, start a limited nuclear exchange.”
Grill, not a naval strategist either I see. USN CVNs can hit from a thousand miles away.
The one Chinese CV has no catapult. this limits the loadout for their airwings. Means no range no endurance and “yuge” bomb loads. That garbage scow can barely maintain “CAP” let alone offensive operations against a USN Task Group.
As for a nuclear exchange, have you paid attention to the missile attacks of our ships off the coast of Yemen?
One of the ships named is the USS Pounce. an anphib. It is the test bed for a new anti missile system. Laser.
Of course no mention of the system being used but the ship’s Captain has instructions to use it if attacked.
Also you may want to check out the new “rail gun” to to be fitted no the 2nd Zimwalt class DDX. So much for China’s bath tub navy.
michael
Obviously Griff’s logic has now been proven to be as deluded as the logic behind the catastrophic AGW hypothesis which can only be “proven” by constantly adjusting the previous years of temperature data.
Or the logic used by Hillary’s campaign in labeling Trump a womanizer when she has clearly condoned womanizing simply by staying with Bill (who, by the way, has been reported as groping women on the campaign trail, on the plane, while traveling with Hillary)
“Griff November 2, 2016 at 9:23 am”
What a moronic comment. So not only do you know nothing about science, even basic fizzicks, you have no clue on war, esp nuclear war. I bet you don’t even know what an (UK) Royal Army “combo pen” is?
Right Griff. Because refusing to go along with what the Chinese want means starting a nuclear war with them.
I’m pointing out a military confrontation in the South China Sea might be a very bad idea.
The Chinese regard that as home waters, even if their case is not recognised by the rest of the world.
Translation: If the communists want something, it’s best to let them have it.
Meanwhile they are considering John Kerry’s plea to stop buying coal from North Korea.
“Meanwhile they are considering John Kerry’s plea to stop buying coal from North Korea.”
From what I read, China is not serious about this sanction. They are discussing it with the U.S. but nothing is happening on the ground in North Korea.
The Chinese might have a more serious discussion with Trump over North Korea, since Trump has hinted that North Korean nukes might force Japan to build their own nuclear weapons in self defense, and Trump is not sure he could blame them. 🙂
The last thing the Chinese want is for Japan to get nuclear weapons, so if they thought there was a chance of that happening, I think the Chinese would get much more cooperative, in a lot of areas.
It is useful to keep your opponents guessing. It’s part of the Art of the Deal. Trump is good at the Art of the Deal. He wrote the book.
South Korea will be the first decider.
A few days ago South Korean military vessels fired live ammunition at about 30 Chinese fishing boats that were encroaching on South Korean waters.
China is going to push forward until someone pushes back. That’s the way bullies and dictators operate. The only time they don’t push is when they think they will get hurt if they do. Make a bully think he will get hurt messing with you, and the bully will leave you alone. Unless he is a psychopath, and in that case, you have to get physical. Doing nothing, is not an option.