
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Richard – James Lovelock, inventor of the Gaia hypothesis which underpins much of modern environmentalism, now thinks global warming is a religion. He also points out Singapore, one of the warmest cities in the world, is also one of the most desirable places to live.
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What has changed dramatically, however, is his position on climate change. He now says: “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.” But isn’t that exactly what he did last time we met? “I know,” he grins teasingly. “But I’ve grown up a bit since then.”
Lovelock now believes that “CO2 is going up, but nowhere near as fast as they thought it would. The computer models just weren’t reliable. In fact,” he goes on breezily, “I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy, this climate change. You’ve only got to look at Singapore. It’s two-and-a-half times higher than the worst-case scenario for climate change, and it’s one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in.”
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But there is a third explanation for why he has shifted his position again, and nowadays feels “laid back about climate change”. All things being equal – “and it’s only got to take one sizable volcano to erupt and all the models, everything else, is right off the board”
Lovelock maintains that, unlike most environmentalists, he is a rigorous empiricist, but it is manifestly clear that he enjoys maddening the green movement. “Well, it’s a religion, really, you see. It’s totally unscientific.”
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Lovelock also points out that the rise of robots will completely invalidate concerns about people becoming “heat stressed” performing manual labour. As an IT specialist I have to say completely agree with him on this. Just as smart phones have evolved from huge bricks into intricate computerised assistants, so will the clunky automated vacuum cleaners and other automated appliances of today rapidly evolve into machines which take care of daily housework, and other manual tasks.
What I find most remarkable is that The Guardian is giving airtime to this climate heresy. Perhaps they are testing the water, to see how readers react.
After all, it is obvious to anyone remotely objective that the green religion is dying. It won’t take too many more South Australia style renewable energy disasters to completely finish what remains of the credibility of the green movement.
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Help! I seem to have slipped into an alternate universe.
Hallooooh down there, dear Tiny! Eat a little bit from the OTHER side of the mushroom!
😉
OK, this thread is full of ignorant ranting against Lovelock by lots of people who have quite clearly never read any of his work or books and are just venting a general frustration against climate alarmism projected onto him as if he were the godfather CAGW.
So how about those who have no idea what they are talking about find out before commenting.
http://www.jameslovelock.org/page37.html
Janice, I think Lovelock ate all the mushrooms years ago. They may be wearing off. I’ll just have to find some cake instead. OOOPSE TOO MUCH.
Greg, the contribution of James Hutton was the direct observation that the”present is the key to the past”, later stated, by Lyell, as Uniformitarianism. Hutton may have been licking frogs and seeing alternate realities in his spare time (he was a man of many interests) but the founding of modern geology, as a science, began with him. It works like this: I take young geologists into the field and stop at a river showing signs of a recent flood cycle, we look at the architecture of the cycle, especially gravel bars and the material trapped behind them, material like dead animals and trees. Then we go on to the great Cretaceous outcrops and see, from 100 million years ago, gravel bars with petrified trees and dinosaur bones behind them. Here’s a thought, if we can use the present to go back in time with our understanding, can we use the past to make predictions about the future? Like an Ice Age will eventually put an end to the Professor Mann hockey stick mind set? Gaia? I never saw her (?) in the field.
lol, tiny, er, I mean LOL, TINY!
So what is rong with the Gaia hypothesis.
I have always said that Mother Gaia, is just the Empress of Maxwell’s demons, and she sees all and knows all about everything in the universe but she tells us nothing.
She knows the serial number of every one of the Avogadro’s number of molecules in a gram mole of anything. so she knows exactly which one is where in the Maxwell -Boltzmann energy distribution, at any time, so she can watch them shift from pixel to pixel keeping the same distribution, but never letting us know which one is where.
She also knows the Temperature of everything, so she knows what the global temperature is supposed to be so she makes sure it is that value at all times.
Well she is in control and we are not, so if things aren’t what you expect; you are mistaken, because they always are what they are supposed to be.
In fact, there isn’t any means by which they could be other than what they are supposed to be, and Mother Gaia makes sure they always are correct.
G
To store and process the amount of information required to implement Lady Gaia would require an entity bigger than the universe.
I realize that Maxwell’s demon should not exist but I have never seen a convincing proof that it can not exist.
So? God, I mean Gaia, is omnipotent by definition.
Lovelock’s Gaia hypothesis was nothing to do with a deity or religion, it was a scientific hypothesis that the biosphere could be regarded as a large complex super organism, in a similar way to regarding and ant colony as one organism rather than thousands of ants.
That is a perfectly valid idea.
Knowing his provocative style, calling it Gaia was probably a bit tongue in cheek, but it was a scientific idea, not a pagan one.
Still, Greg, if James Lovelock had remained connected and devoted to the modern green movement instead of becoming a global-warming blasphemer, he might have received the honor of becoming one of Gaia’s high priests by now. His concern about mundane things like science and speaking the truth caused him to miss out on becoming a leader in the new Gaia religion.
So defendith: Greg – October 2, 2016 at 5:57 pm
What is being claimed above is a literal fact which was confirmed to be “true” by the Flying Spaghetti Monster some 50 or 19 ¾ years ago at a meeting of the world’s greatest Global Warming Climate Scientists.
What is wrong with Gaia is that it switches cause and effect. ‘something’ does not ‘regulate the climate to take care of its species’
It’s species adapt to whatever climate throws at them.
Its a GOD based theory, not a science based one.
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Leo, I see you have never read any of Lovelock’s books.
Beyond that, the fact that many animals can an do influence the climate around them has been known for decades, if not centuries. So you claim that animals have no choice but to accept the climate that is thrown at them is religious, not scientific.
If
“there isn’t any means by which they could be other than what they are supposed to be”
what could ‘Mother Gaia’ have to do wit any of it?
MarkW, other than the human animal that controls the climate in his/her house or home via use of an A/C, fans or heating furnace ….. were there other animal species you were thinking of, and if so, name 2 or 4 of them so that I will know what they are.
… while we here in Canada are just getting the flat tire rolling on the rim …
Ahh… but there is hope. The Liberal government in Ontario just last week, quietly cancelled all future wind farms in the province. This after forcing electricity rates to the highest in the world and losing a by-election in a Liberal stronghold riding in Suburban Toronto (Scarborough).
Lovelock is an idiot. I mean, Singapore has been a wonderful place to live for decades- did he only just notice ?? What is it about supposed genii that they can make absurd statements, and then a few years later say they were wrong and then just make a bunch of new absurd statements ? He is still an idiot.
He is not an idiot unless you believe that idiots can invent super sensitive measurement tools such as the electron capture detector.
There is much enthusiasm in the field of labeling people who say things we don’t like “idiots.”
He’s just testing out which tall stories people will fall for. People like him change their message every ten years or so, and the gullible among us fall for it every time. Because they need to believe. And when they have a strong need, they are also willing to pay.
Seems he made a good living off soothsaying for a long time. Now that he’s only got a few years left, he’s probably making a bit more on the side by recanting.
Epitaph: “He was wrong about a great many things.”
Exactly !
When is he supposed to have “grown up”?
What a dangerous fool.
Yes, I agree. He is an idiot. It’s a hard word to use, but the things he has said just don’t allow me to think anything else of him.
You are dead wrong. To have someone like Lovelock, who is 97 and still sharp as a tack, change his perspective like this is encouraging.
ImranCan. He has found the truth, you should welcome him to the fold. Singapore has always been hot and stick, There is nothing absurd in his statements? And he has become a realist, certainly is not an idiot.
It’s hilarious. Back when he was a climate alarmist, the greenies praised him from head to toe. He was their brilliant old sage, their science hero.
But a few years ago when he showed early signs of turning to the climate skeptic side, suddenly they began calling him a senile old man and an idiot. Lol!
Lefties, I don’t know how they get along each day, I really don’t.
No no no, he misread the script. You’re not supposed to -back- down, you’re supposed to -double- down. As in, “You deniers just don’t get it and you never will!” That’s how its supposed to go.
You: “Show me some evidence.”
Them: “I showed you already!”
You: “Your evidence only shows mild, beneficial warming, not civilization-terminating disaster.”
Them: “Denier!!”
That’s how its supposed to go.
As the Dutch saying goes: “Once one sheep has crossed the dam, more will follow”
I thought it was “once the gas has escaped the noise is inevitable”.
Good Lord. Will wonders never cease?
The Garudian ??
What’s the temperature in hell?
I suppose we should read the article and discover how they are reporting and then attempting to paper over this? heh
The Guardian article is really worth reading. There’s more detail there about his support for fracking and nuclear energy. With Lovelock and Freeman Dyson we have the two most eminent nonagenarian scientists now clearly AGW sceptics!
The entire article is on Climate Depot, and well worth the read.
I believe several large snowballs are currently being assembled into a snowman down there, if this report is accurate..
“Well, it’s a religion, really, you see. It’s totally unscientific.”
That’s the money quote. I flagged it up in “tips and notes” when it was published.
Like Eric, I was quite surprised to read this in the Guardian. What were they thinking of? Next thing they’ll be experimenting with factual reporting of climate.
( Na, only joking. They’d never go that far. )
It’s not a religion. It’s just the neo-Marxist idea to to merge environmentalism int their ideology.
Oh come on, that’s where Griff gets his climate science information from.
Even the Guardian notices their falling readership and ad revenues, eventually. Greenery was always a convenient add-on du jour, and it can be added-off again if necessary. No different from many other politicians. Global warming conceit is a luxury, yet greenery is antagonistic towards human luxuries. The Guadian may be slowly walking up after ‘lovely dream’.
They’ve had a lot of global warming in hell, so the cold winters have resulted in a lot of freezing. (:-)
If you are an Eskimo, rather frigid.
-4C and snowing..
“heat stressed”….?????????
I honestly can’t think of one thing less important
Ask Hillary (not Sir Edmund).
I am less receptive to jerks who lie and ruin the lives of millions of people and then say: ” oops. Sorry about that.”
He be contrite and apply himself to a proportionate remedy for the damage he has caused.
Imagiane that!…
Better yet, just STFU and go away. You’ve helped enough.
Regardless of his mistakes in the past, I think the world is a better place because Lovelock is attacking the green religion.
He has a heavy burden Eric. It may be well beyond repair by him. Besides, The Green Movement members are watermelons who don’t even know who Lovelock is. All the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t put Lovelock together again.
I am with Paul. The damage is done. Unless he publicly goes as hard against the ecoloons as he went hard for them, and their movement, his comments are useless. He bears a lot of responsibility and should spend the rest of his days actively trying undo his silly mistakes.
Yeah, I tend to agree with Paul. I once knew a highly regarded consultant in the communications industry who’s mantra was “a good controversy just means more billable hours.” He did a lot of shoot-from-the-hip stuff regarding the web and digital platforms, then when it turned out to be all wrong he charged people even more for the remedies. I don’t think Lovelock is suffering much from all this.
Hopefully, there might be some media attention to Patrick Moore also.
I have a theory about messiah personalities. They are self directed and ego driven… and capricious.
Lovelock and Moore etc…They will not confine themselves with undoing the horrendous messes they’ve created, they will create new, innovative messes and promote new initiatives, again, pushing their unrestrained egos into yet new hornets nests without regard to the normal inhibitions the rest of us possess. If you argue with them, they will alienate you JUST LIKE BEFORE. Just watch.
eg. Moore is not just undoing his sh1tpile greenpeace, he is pushing GMOs as if there isn’t legitimate concerns about screwing around with food crops and the evolution tested human genome. Oh yeah…. that is the latest religion du jour of which you are all Luddites should you confront him.
It isn’t the subject matter. It is the megaphone wing-ding behind it. Lovelock STILL wants celebrity (as does Moore). That is the problem. E.G.O. !!!
“Lovelock STILL wants celebrity (as does Moore). That is the problem. E.G.O. !!!”
Yes Paul, it appears they are motivated by the same trappings as politicians.
You couldn’t prove it by the sea level rise in the latest episode of ‘Madam Secretary” destroying the Bahrain Naval Base damaged by Super Storm caused by Climate Change. As explained by Super Sleuth useful idiot Jane Pauley. Another Green Religion show I won’t be watching ever again.
Paul Westhaver
WFT? Where did he “lie”? A scientist can change their mind. That does not mean they lied beforehand. Jeez.
The Whole Gaia concept was an non-scientific conjecture, presented as pseudo-science/ religion. He lied about his science. It wasn’t science , it was feeling and desire. Maybe he was a nice guy. His science was sh1t and he lied by promoting it as fact and truth.
The whole green movement is proliferated with liars claiming “scientific truth” .
Carbon Bigfoot:
Yes, i actually managed to watch that episode though I wanted to turn it off after the first few minutes. I have now watched my last “Madam Secretary”. It was getting more and more biased last season but they have just stepped over the edge. Welcome to Hillary’s World.
It’s Marxism rebranded as being green.
“4 Eyes October 2, 2016 at 3:32 pm”
One could say he is the modern day equivalent of Florence Nightingale?
Posted: October 2, 2016 at 7:38 pm
Whenever a per se “scientist” arbitrarily changes his/her mind about what he/she has been professing to be “true and factual” ….. then that is pretty much proof that the aforesaid “scientist” knew that he/she had been lying from the get-go.
It is the recognition of actual, factual scientific evidence and/or proofs that “changes the mind” of a real scientist.
And it doesn’t take five (5) or twenty five (25) years “after-the-fact” recognition for said “change-in-mind” to occur.
“… and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us …”
…precisely…from above…
“He [should] be contrite and apply himself to a proportionate remedy for the damage he has caused.”
I’ve met Jim Lovelock and he is a wonderful scientist and human being. He will die soon enough and I will mourn that there are not more like him. He changed his mind on AGW based on new data and failure of predictive climate models. He shouldn’t be faulted for that.
People are entitled to change their minds. I agree they should not be faulted for their sincere evolution in thinking. I don’t fault him for changed mind or his right to free speech. At some point one has to assume responsibility for what they have wrought into reality. He is to blame for his errors.
I also have had the very great privilege of meeting Jim Lovelock and discussing matters one-on-one over lunches. Unlike uninformed comments made above, its difficult to imagine someone of such eminence who showed so little ego.
@ur momisugly October 3, 2016 at 5:23 am
HA, was not the …. “discussing matters one-on-one over lunches” ….. not an “ego driven” act/trip perpetrated by Lovelock? Or are you both of “equal status” (eminence) within your respective per group(s)?
Jim Lovelock’s failure was that he lacked the wisdom to understand that with great potential to influence comes great responsibility.
How many years have so many here been skeptical of AGW/human caused climate change? When did Jim Lovelock becomes skeptical and how long after that did it take him to publically voice his skepticism? I’m sorry but this whole things reminds me of a near death bed confession. I get the impression that he knew he was wrong a long time ago but only now as he can see the end is nigh has he seen fit to come forth. At least it shows he has a conscience but I also think it is self serving for him to come forth at this late date to relieve it.
Cheers, Eric! Good catch. Perhaps the tide is turning as one by one, they come out on the side of sanity. Hope there’s a mass defection of fence-riders before the US election.
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay. Hadn’t seen this one before but I also like:
Every age has its peculiar folly: Some scheme, project, or fantasy into which it plunges, spurred on by the love of gain, the necessity of excitement, or the force of imitation.
Interesting when a founder of a religion becomes a heretic. The question is what that will do to the true believers.
They will still believe, truly. …and continue the wake of ruin he started notwithstanding his “conversion”.
Most of his true believers don’t even know who he is. They sure do know what his asinine ideas are.
You’re getting less and less coherent. How can you believe someone and not know who they are?
BTW he didn’t start either the green movement or the idea of GHG warming. No idea why you are spitting bile and venom in his direction.
Having someone of his renown clearly stating that he has changed his mind is going to have far more impact than you sounding off in blog comments somewhere.
He has shown a degree of honesty that you seem incapable of.
The followers of the green mother earth nonsense has enjoined Lovelock’s notions as promoted by the likes of Mann, Gore, etc. In that respect, they are followers of his ideas, not knowing from where they came. Just as you shake hands with a person while you are ignorant as to who started that custom. etc etc etc You nod your head up and down when you want to show affirmation. Why? Not everyone does.
anyway…
Lovelock started something, for which he is responsible. He should put on adult pants and spend his last breathing days undoing his UN-Level mess.
What is your full name Greg?
Well they can exhume the bones of those he burned at the stake, so people can view the damage for themselves.
G
“Well they can exhume the bones of those he burned at the stake, so people can view the damage for themselves.”
How many and a few names please. Authoritative reference required. That is a very strong claim.
I think the Green Blob will treat James Lovelock the same way they treated Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace who became critical of the nutty thing Greenpeace became). They will simply declare him a non-person and erase from history any connection with him.
Religions revile apostates even more than the unconverted.
“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.”
The Green Priests took this to heart.
Actually I doubt that the idea and name ( Gaia )will die anymore than Christ did but it will Change. I think he makes a nice St. Paul.
I was relishing the recent discovery that all the smart people are over on this side of the debate.
If the Guardian readership start to rebel and come over to this side, then prepare for skepticism to get noticeably stupider. And to involve shrieking hysteria and constant virtue signalling.
We don’t tolerate much shrieking and hysteria, shrieking and hysteria are largely reserved for people who have no interest in how things really work, but are pretty sure they can fix it.
+100
I’ve been noticing how many articles on this site are based on Guardian articles…
Guardian seems to be setting the agenda?
Well, I have been of the belief that the thought that 400 ppm of a trace gas in the atmosphere (which just happens to absorb and emit IR energy) has any effect whatsoever on the “average temperature” is LUDICROUS.
That may be why the “models” and the observations are, ahem, “diverging”…..
Good to see someone recover their senses.
Cheers, KevinK
You’re absolutely right! That thought has no effect whatsoever.
A blatant act of “street-corner thuggery”, …….. huh?
Iffen that was your best response, then pity is warranted.
EPA’s Clean Power Plan and its Moment of Truth
By Stephen Heins
While many of us have actively tried to follow the broad-based scientific discussions about climate change including those at the Paris Meetings, most of us are stuck between to the “alarmist” and the “denier” narratives. The “luke warmers,” as we are called, suspect that the climate change discussion is far from over.
Most troubling to some observers of the current Washington DC bureaucracies, the FCC and the EPA, is that they fit the classic mold of federal agencies furiously trying to regulate industries while they themselves are many years behind the investment, technology and innovation of the industries they regulate.
Suffice it to say, the world’s 7.4 billion people of global economy and planetary environment are far too important to be left to silo thinking or national and global politics. This is especially true with the skyrocketing need for big data, huge wireless broadband and ongoing technological innovation, particularly in the under-developed and under-represented parts of the world.
With that in mind, here are several flaws in the final version of the Clean Power Plan (CPP) of 2015:
The use of several studies (e.g. Harvard’s study of indirect health benefits) are likely examples of “study-bias;”
Medical computations of indirect health benefits from the reduction of PM 2.5 (or fine particulate matter) have never been well demonstrated;
The CPP places complete faith in the advancement of technology responding to political dictates instead of the marketplace;
The CPP lacks a full accounting of the costs of stranding electrical assets and the large investment in new infrastructure, which essentially just replicate old distribution assets;
The Clean Power Plan has never been properly vetted by the states, and there never was a state or national political mandate calling for its formulation;
Currently, a clear cut democratic majority, 28 states, have officially challenged the legality of the Clean Power Plan;
With the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia just beginning its En Banc proceedings, President Obama and Secretary McCarthy are likely to be in the rear view mirror by the time it is fully litigated;
Indistinguishable from any political campaign, the robust public relations campaign conducted by the EPA and the White House, and a large number of related texts and emails, are shrouded in the lack of proper disclosure not unlike the Colorado Toxic Spills;
Actual greenhouse gas reductions from the Clean Power Plan are miniscule, and, according to Scientific America and the Energy Information Administration (EIA), by 2015, 47 states had already achieved sharp decreases in emission from 2007 levels, with more than billion tons of reductions;
The US is already on a glide path whereby America has reduced more Green House Gas (GHG) than any other country in the world, a fact which even the Sierra Club acknowledges;
The EPA has never provided a real cost benefit analysis of the Clean Power throughout all versions of the regulations;
The CPP gives the EPA and state environmental agencies first class status, making all other state and federal agencies (like the Department of Energy, Federal Energy Regulatory Committee, and State Utility Regulators) virtual second class citizens, with second class powers;
With “cross state” and regional emission differences, the CPP makes states and regions compete against each other in energy markets previously regulated by states, and is de facto helping to create a national emissions market, which has already been defeated legislatively;
The Clean Power Plan is fraught with backward looking and silo thinking, with no heed paid to the rapidly expanding convergence of energy, technology and wireless telecommunications. In the case of the above convergence, there is no consideration for the rapidly expanding need for electricity, big data and wireless broadband to allow significantly more energy efficiency, better environmentalism and economic development in all 50 states;
The CPP has a serious lack of transparency, whereby much of the information remains undisclosed. Much of the grant money provided by the EPA for health and emissions studies (Harvard, Syracuse, George Mason, Johns Hopkins et al) is essentially undeclared;
The significant input provided by large environmental groups like the Sierra Club and the NRDC is largely buried in the footnotes or hidden in private emails;
Finally, as Professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard and the Wall Street Journal point out, the constitutionality of Clean Power Plan and its new found powers violate the separation of powers and the long standing principle of cooperative federalism between the states and the federal government.
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Better late than never. I hope he lives long enough to write out the 7 billion checks and aplogy notes.
Lovelock just added a new, generalized twist to nature worship, which has been going on forever.
Does the fact that it has been “going on forever” make it of more or less value than other forms of worship that have only been going on for a couple of millennia?
Like most of the other ignorant comments here yours fails to recognise that Lovelock was not proposing Gaia as a deity, neither was he involved in nature worship, it was a scientific hypothesis.
Greg,
What is your real name?
Here is a NOVA video featuring Lovelock absolutely saying that the Gaia idea has metaphysical elements, and he knew it. Time Stamp 30:20.
NOVA Goddess of the Earth
Sorry, Paul W, but the above Greg …….. absolutely, positively REFUSES to research, entertain, consider or believe ANYTHING that is contrary to what his beloved mentors “brainwashed” (nurtured) him to believe is “true and factual”. And iffen you question or critique any part of his commentary he will not cite evidence to support said nor offer logical reasoning for his beliefs …… but will post haste launch a personal attack against your person.
Cheers
“Here is a NOVA video featuring Lovelock absolutely saying that the Gaia idea has metaphysical elements, and he knew it.”
Actually, in the clip Paul references, he says pretty much the opposite. The religious interpretations came from others.
“featuring Lovelock absolutely saying that the Gaia idea has metaphysical elements, and he knew it.”
Mathematics and logic are metaphysical. Science would be bereft without them.
Hardly nature worship, more an extension of Darwin’s theory. Life, the atmosphere and lithosphere have been so inextricably linked for such a long period it wouldn’t surprise me that the biosphere evolved by natural selection to be a self regulating system.
“Lovelock just added a new, generalized twist to nature worship, which has been going on forever.”
Here’s an example of Lovelock’s “nature worship”:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~sgw/PAPERS/1987_CLAW.pdf
Perhaps you can quote from this, or one of Lovelock’s many other papers to demonstrate his “nature worship”. Presumably the geologist who introduced me to the concepts in this paper is also a “nature worshipper”. Heck, I must be a “nature worshipper” too. Whoda thunkit?
The current generation being victimized by the new religion are too young to know who James Lovelock is. They kinda sorta mighta heard about Gaia.
As would seem to be true about many of those commenting here.
Another warmist ‘warms’ to skepticism. Funny how somehow skeptics are never persuaded to accept warmism.
Yes, it is encouraging, considering the media indoctrination, that folks seem to be switching from uninformed believers to enlightened skeptics, concerned for their liberties.
Monochrome inversion stuff is usually good for a laugh …
VOTE TRUMP!
(That IS Donald Trump, isn’t it? — Time for a different and INTELLIGENT economic and energy and national security policy! 🙂 )
Hillarious even 🙂
Ceci n’est pas une pomme
Perhaps a change of fruits would be appropriate
AJB: Perhaps, it was ….. a poem….. (about Big Government which is what you will get if you do not vote for Trump!)
lolololol
(Shel Silverstein “The Toy Eater,” Falling Up — youtube)
Let me rephrase…
We’ve had decades of “The Grapes Of Wrath” predictions where “Gaia” is concerned. However, things have pretty much been peachy, with food production ample. Actually, the only thing keeping the entire globe from being in cherry shape is affordable electricity to the developing countries.
((applause)), Pop! 🙂
Now, if we can just get rid of the nuts in D.C. who are driving us bananas!
Pop: Berry funny.
Janice: Tricky Dick’s plumbers had NUTHIN’ on Crooked Hill’s Blackberry smashers.
Pop: Rotten watermelons. Vote ’em out!
Janice: SQUASH ‘EM!
There is no fruit (the crooked fig leaf flapping around doesn’t count). Being a Brit, I have no vote. But whatever the outcome of this surreal spectacle, it’ll bite us all on the bum in the end: Governments everywhere are way too big already. Less is more, more or less. 🙂
((applause)), Pop! 🙂
Now, if we can just get rid of the nuts in D.C. who are driving us bananas!
Splendid! The issue of CLIMATE CHANGE has indeed been down-graded into a “majority” affair instead of a scientific discourse it ought to be. The distinguished Mr. Lovelock should be commended for his courage and sincerity.
He should admit and explain that “Gaia” was just a stand-in concept for the unknown forces and feedbacks that have kept the Earth’s biosphere tolerable for me and my ancestors for the past 4 billion years. It was an expression of ignorance even if he couldn’t see it. The same ignorance that sees the apocalypse in a CO2 level that is a fraction of what is was in very livable past times.
“He should admit and explain that “Gaia” was just a stand-in concept for the unknown forces and feedbacks that have kept the Earth’s biosphere tolerable for me and my ancestors for the past 4 billion years. It was an expression of ignorance even if he couldn’t see it.”
Perhaps you should read what he wrote rather than parroting what others have claimed he said.
BTW I’m rather proud of my ignorance. It’s an acknowledgement that I don’t know everything.
“I’ve grown up a bit since then.”
That’s says it all. Unfortunately it was a very long adolescence.
so is glowbullwarming being cancelled just as winter is about to arrive???