Twits, beware

Like many climate skeptics, I have a couple of fake Twitter harassers who operate using the same sort of tactics that cowards tend to use: fake accounts, fake emails, fake everything. These are people who apparently feel that this sort of behavior elevates their own feelings of self worth while keeping them hidden from any blowback. As I’ve always said, anonymity breeds contempt.

The best thing to do is just ignore them, because they crave attention.

Looks like this sort of behavior is on the way out, according to this story on a release from Twitter.

Twitter is taking another step forward in ensuring that its service is a safe place to be. The company today announced that it’s giving everyone access to its quality filter, which automatically screens out tweets from suspicious accounts and hopefully will minimize or eliminate abuse from taking place on the platform.

Users will also now have the ability to limit which notifications they receive across both mobile and the web.

During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Twitter chief executive Jack Dorsey responded to complaints around harassment, bullying, and abuse that seemed to be running rampant on the service. He acknowledged that Twitter hadn’t done enough, but promised that it was working on not only improving enforcement of its policies, but also developing new technological solutions to combat the hate.

Full story: http://venturebeat.com/2016/08/18/twitter-makes-the-quality-filter-available-for-all-users-to-prevent-abuse/

130 thoughts on “Twits, beware

  1. A quality filter is a good idea. I long ago turned my T account ‘private’ to limit spam and other unwelcome messaging. I do wonder whose idea of “quality” will be used, though. Is ‘quality’ about preventing other viewpoints (on subjects such as man-made climate change or politics or religion) from appearing in my now-curated stream? Or is it a way to allow me to preemptively block unwanted off-topic and harassing posts & posters?

    • I have the ultimate quality filter: I don’t use it. Nor Facebook. I see no redeeming value in either.

      • Same here. We have that luxury. Those that are determined to fight the wide spread ignorance though have to go to the forums where the ignorant tend to hang out in great numbers. Thus Anthony, Tony and others are on Twitter.

    • W^L+
      August 18, 2016 at 11:35 am wrote
      “A quality filter is a good idea.”
      Knowitall software has already gone well past this point. I recently found that the spell checker on my e-mail server automatically corrected me when I typing Pu ehr (the Chinese tea), changing “ehr” to “her”, no matter how many times I retyped. I had to spend considerable time to circumvent this “correction”. “Pu” apparently came in under the radar.
      Similarly, when I recently tried to track a UPS parcel sent to a US address, the knowitall UPS tracking page rejected it as “invalid”, and directed me to call an 800 number, which connected me to UPS Canada, where they were equally unable to access the tracking information. I finally had to call the shipper in the US, and the same tracking number entered at their end, worked. None of these agencies offered an explanation for this strange malfunction, so I had to guess at the process.
      Apparently, the tracking site detected that my online query originated with a Canadan ISP, and so assumed that the parcel I was tracking was destined for Canada, and therefore the number submitted was “invalid”. The UPS telephone support system was similarly able to detect that I was calling from Canada, and apparently authorized to automatically direct me to USP Canada support.
      Evidently UPS doesn’t want its Canadian staff to be able to track parcels ordered by Canadian residents any but destined for US pickup, (or can’t imagine such a situation).
      With this sort of mind-bogglingly stupid programming occurring in the most simple transactional situation possible (support for a tracking number the doesn’t track) I wonder that anyone can expect software aspiring to filter infinitely variable and complex text messages reliably.

      • On stupidity of software: on an overseas holiday in England, I unwittingly got into a buses-only lane, and was prevented from getting out by a kerb. A violation fine was awarded to me and relayed by the car-hire company (Europcar – who didn’t simply pay the fine and debit me, but forwarded the fine notice and debited me anyway). So, I got onto the traffic fine website in Bristol, and started to pay – but was prevented because the system coud not accept an address that was outside the UK! So, that makes me a ‘scofflaw’, because there was no other way to pay this small fine.
        An aside on software, a rule I used to use in design that except for things involving the calendar, there are only three numbers in any computer system – zero, one, and lots!

    • Couldn’t help but chuckle. With you signing your initials it looks like you are saying, “Don’t feed the trolls peanut butter.”

  2. A popular talk show host years ago when twitter first came out hired independent investigators to look into these very issues. They found the same thing and traced the accounts to far left activists often funded by same. Got to love the tactics of the liberal socialist.

      • Chris it’s by observation. There are always examples that make the exception. But just like the trolls on WUWT, I find those on the left side to be mucn more likely to attack a post in a personal way. Usually with made up facts. This I have observed across the blog world. Facts are stuborn things. So the responce turns stupid or personal. I don’t see that as often on the right. Just like here, most responces to the agw trolls are polite and informative. Sort of like stories of political signs or vandalism aimed at Trump. Have yet to see a story of Hillary sign vandalism.

      • I think Milo Yiannopoulos is sort of like the Ann Coulter of the male homosexual (I’m sorry, to me “gay” means something else — I also won’t use the word that Mr. Yiannopoulos himself uses, which starts with ‘f’ and rhymes with ‘rag’ ) crowd: provocateur yes, but he was only banned, in my view, because he doesn’t represent the “orthodox” homosexual viewpoint, or maybe because he hasn’t sold a zillion books like Ms. Coulter. He is actually hilarious and well worth reading (if his “voice” hasn’t been totally “silenced”).

  3. I have a twitter account and I’ve never had any problems with trolls, and never had to block anyone. I suppose that means that I don’t have anything to say that gets them aggravated.

    • Tell them their CAGW beliefs are unscientific nonsense based on fabricated data for political proposes, and they are being fooled and used, and they’ll soon start foaming at the mouth.

    • Yes, Anthony, why do you need to use and support Twitter? I’ve never joined Twitter or Facebook, and I’m no more messed up than I already was.

    • Yep. Twit is run by the same liberals types as Facebook. Both platforms would expand and grow to the nth degree if the people that ran them put as much effort into policing the vast amount of abuse perpetrated by their own liberal kind

      • Yeah, with 1.7B users and a 350B market cap, Facebook has really blown it by alienating conservatives. Lol.

      • Chris August 19, 2016 at 12:33 am
        Yeah, with 1.7B users and a 350B market cap, Facebook has really blown it by alienating conservatives. Lol.
        Yeah, I hear Zuckerberg’s gonna buy an Island and build bridges to it from Iran, ISIS, California, and yes even all of Progressivedom! There you can all live in the traditional ”Peace and Justice” characteristic of Islam’s Sharia Law Supremacists and the Communist Utopias, as you work together to establish the real Cali-phate by means of the 21st Century’s Arc of Justice: “Whoever has the most heads still attached wins!”

  4. Making twitter a safe space regulated by the sensibilities of a few individuals just seems like a bad idea.

    • Which is why they will implement it.
      Good ideas are so passé.
      Bad ideas are really progressive dontcha know?

    • Facebook allows me to stay in touch with far away relatives and friends. Privacy settings restrict who sends what to me. The problems come with messing with games and apps. If I get an invitation to same I will unfriend that person.

      • That’s what people say, but I find a small device called the “phone” augmented by “email” works very well.

  5. Tweet Tweet all you little Twits
    rant and rave in little hissy fits
    belittle and belie
    to make all the rest cry
    too soon you’ll be tossed in the pits

  6. A prominent Republican who also happened to be gay was permanently banned from Twitter because a couple of trolls who also happened to follow him were harassing liberals.
    The Republican was never even accused of doing anything improper.

    • If being a Republican isn’t improper, these days, then what is? Judging by the MSM, it’s the ONLY thing that’s improper.
      /s

    • If you are taking about Milo Yiannopoulos he is British. Hence he is a conservative, not a republican.

      • My previous post on Mr. Yiannopoulos disappeared, I assume because I used, in reference to Mr. Yiannopoulos, the more traditional and technically correct term for one who is sexually attracted to their own sex rather than the somewhat sad “gay” term that is in vogue. Mr. Yiannopoulos himself, by the way, uses a 3-letter word that starts with “f” and ends with “ag”, which is regularly published.
        In any event, Mr. Yiannopoulos is like the Ann Coulter of the crowd whose name shall not be mentioned — certainly a provocateur, but outrageously hilarious (at least in my view) and usually very insightful. I don’t think he said anything that was worse than anything Ms. Coulter has ever said, but I suspect “they” find him confronting because he’s gone off the reservation (and also hasn’t Ms. Coulter’s book sales track-record) and consequently they chose to delete his account.

      • Typical left wing nonsense. I read the article and all it did was repeat third party claims that Milo wasn’t nice to them. Unless ridiculing leftists is now a violation, my point still stands.

      • Anyone that uses anything from the Washington Post to back up their point just makes me want to slam my head into a brick wall. Repeatedly.

    • you might enjoy Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, it has a theme about how you define quality.

  7. I don’t know because I don’t use twitter. The fact that people do not want to be linked to their statements is understandable. Fear of losing their job or family being harassed is a big reason.
    I started here with my “handle” for these reasons. As things changed (retired due to health reasons) I now at times use my full name. My family still taps their feet over this, but I feel I must stand behind my words.
    Why would twitter users hide, what do they fear? If you are trying to score “coup” don’t you want “all” to know? What is the sense of just a few “friends” knowing, when you lack the moral courage to display your clever intellect to all?
    It is said a brave man dies once but a coward dies a thousand deaths. After the first few hundred I grew bored (Poul Anderson sci fi writer)
    Laugh at the them they are not worthy of your contempt or scorn
    Micheal Duhancik

    • It’s often better to hide in plain sight.
      I often sit with my laptop in a local lunch and coffee hangout, where silicon valley would be tycoons meet to chat about their latest projects. Same thing as used to happen at Walker’s Wagon Wheel bar 50 years ago.
      I’m also often wearing my yellow CIA ‘ baseball ‘ cap. People get nervous if they see me glance in their direction. If I have my fancy Nikon camera with me it really freaks them out.
      Yes the free exchange of company secrets helps boost one’s ego, and makes one semi-important; at least in one’s own estimation.
      Sometimes if asked, I tell them I work part time for the Feds, and like listening to the valley chit chat.
      Well they don’t seem to know about the famous Chef School up in Napa, California.
      It’s the Culinary Institute of America, and a great place to visit.
      And it takes till about mid June before I can finally start working for myself instead of the Feds.
      The ‘ entrepeneurs ‘ of silicon valley are as casual with what pays their salary, as they were back in the days of Fairchild, and National Semiconductor.
      The venture capital people don’t seem to mind all of this childishness, so long as they can get a piece of the IPO, and then cash out, and move on to greener grass.
      G

      • “I’m also often wearing my yellow CIA ‘ baseball ‘ cap. People get nervous if they see me glance in their direction. If I have my fancy Nikon camera with me it really freaks them out.”
        More likely they think you’re some creepy old guy. A person who is actually performing surveillance for the CIA isn’t going to wear a hat advertising it.

    • Good on you. My belief is that if you can’t attach you name to it, then you shouldn’t say it. I know that’s a difficult standard to adhere to, but it has served me well.

      • Paul Penrose
        August 19, 2016 at 10:34 am wrote
        “Good on you. My belief is that if you can’t attach you name to it, then you shouldn’t say it. I know that’s a difficult standard to adhere to, but it has served me well.”
        Perhaps you’ve never lived in a small town, had your tires slashed, windows broken, or human feces or dead animals left on your doorstep.
        Then again, perhaps you and your neighbours agree on everything.
        The history of literature, philosophy, and even hard science suggests that many worthwhile works have been produced under a pseudonym or “nom de plume”. And I would suggest that many important ideas would never have come to light if prevented from being hatched in secret.
        I would mention several prominent thinkers whose vocal supporters in the scientific community lost their jobs and their careers simply for openly voicing their support. But I’ve been given to understand that the filtering software on this forum might automatically remove this post if I typed their names.

    • I count as one of my better days when I started using my full and real name to post at WUWT. Charles the moderator was under some sort of attack and I “came out” in support of him. It was a liberating experience. From long readership of WUWT I know Anthony respects people who post with their name. I will say that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. I still post some times on certain blogs using my nom de internet.

  8. Just curious: Why do people use Twitter, Face-Tube, … and all that other ‘social media’ nonsense?
    At the ripe old age of 67, I do not have a cell phone, I’ve never sent a text message (and don’t even know how to), I do not have a Face-Tube account, or Twitter account, or anything besides a land-line and a computer with e-mail.
    My opinion: all this ‘social media’ has only made people more anti-social.
    Vlad

    • At the riper old age of 73, I use YouTube to publish videos of my concrete pond, faux rock and faux bois constructions. I use Facebook to promote those videos and attract more traffic to YouTube. When accepting “friends”, I “unfollow” all so I don’t have to look at the garbage that people put out. I receive enough income from the videos on YouTube to more than pay for materials and operating costs of my retirement hobby, as well as purchase all those neat tools I’ve wanted for years. I want nothing to do with all those other “social media” as they are mostly trash. When trolls leave comments obviously meant to aggravate me, I simply block them — their loss, not mine.

    • +1 I spent most of my career in computers and still don’t understand the draw of “social media”. Nothing more than being nosy with people that want to share their intimate lives. Nothing wrong with that nor is it indicative of a desirable character. I just wonder why people find knowing other people’s everyday lives worth their time.

    • Up to you Vlad how much you wish to engage with the modern world, sounds like you have decided its all just a fad a revel in your disconnectedness.

      • Thanks Don, and thank you Yarpos. Good comments all.
        I agree that I “revel” in my disconnectedness (guilty as charged!), but paradoxically, I do not feel ‘disconnected’ at all. It has become humorous to me to walk around, watching people do almost nothing but stare at some little device in their hand(s), oblivious to their surroundings. I guess they are “connected”, but I’m not sure to what.
        As far as all this goes (fad or not), include me out (add sound of trumpets and REVELry … … … )
        Vlad

      • I don’t use Twitter on the general basis that people whose thoughts can routinely be expressed in 140 characters or less probably don’t have much to say that’s worth listening to. E-mail and websites, yes. Facebook tends to be engulfed in trivia, so that although I have an account, I rarely use it.

  9. Have to disagree a tad with you here anthony. Bullies don’t just crave attention, no, they wish to do harm. I myself resort to bullying to take out bullies. Whenever i see david appell being obnoxiously rude to dr roy, i’ll post an equally obnoxious comment in reply (using the sock puppet “appell’sajerk”…). Or imagine the chill that’s caused when i simply repeat someone’s own words like this: [elliott’sanazi says: Elliott Bignell 6/9/2016 5:53am “I pop up here every few months to practice on you because I am bored. I’m basically just killing time until I can have you all executed in it’s stead.”] Bullying to some extent works. These power oriented people aren’t just seeking attention…

    • Ah, the typo is mine, not elliott’s. (if that’s what your getting at here) “… in it’s stead” should read “… in its stead”.

  10. I have toyed with a Twitter account for so long, but I always stop before I do it, I think I am rather glad I have. I use Facebook and Instagram, surely that’s enough to promote the blog? Do people really need to know what I am thinking and doing 24/7?

    • “Do people really need to know what I am thinking and doing 24/7?”
      That depends on what you think and do 24/7. Is there anything we might worry about?

    • not about need.
      but a lot of people make it their mission – police, nsa, marketers. you are the product.
      so if you’d kindly prepare a dossier and association list, that’ll be great.
      keep it updated. nobody does ‘investigation’ any more. or, better said, facebook and twitter are the confidential informants of the modern age.
      you don’t think they’re worth billions to anybody else for any other purpose, did you? really?
      somebody cares….lol

  11. Don’t tweet like twits. But cannot help noting that Twitter just gave a lifetime ban to a Breitbart contributor who trashed the new female Ghostbusters redo. Not because of what he said about the movie, but because of what his followers said about its worst actress who happens to be black. Yet Twitter has still not blocked the radical UK Muslim cleric criminally indicted two days ago by the UK for supporting ISIS (pledged alliegence, recruiter). Jihad ok, movie criticism not ok. Talk about upside down!

    • ristvan,
      “Not because of what he said about the movie, but because of what his followers said about its worst actress who happens to be black.”
      Please bear in mind that there is nothing to stop those who want to get someone banned via this approach, from faking being a real fan/supporter of that someone, and then posting horrible things as a “follower” of them. In other words, “false flag” tactics.

  12. I believe we are on the verge of the end of free speech as we know it, via the internet. To keep us “safe”, disharmonious voices will be edited out for various reasons. The mass media has been dethroned, so to speak, and the big important people of the world are losing the ability to control “the narrative” . . and have devised solutions that can be presented as helpful improvements to the online experience. (Under UN guidelines)
    It’s like “no fly” lists . which require no trial, no jury of peers . .. and we can see many calls for “No fly, No buy guns” either, as a “common sense” safety precaution . . which means an “alienable right” can be alienated by simple decree.
    And cries of unfairness because radical Islamists can post nasty/discomforting things, will be used to justify preventing us from posting nasty/discomforting things . . according to UN guidelines . .

    • I wonder what the reaction would be if we applied the “no fly” reasoning to other rights, such as :
      no fly, no vote
      no fly, no freedom of speech
      no fly, no warrant needed
      no fly, no religious freedom
      no fly, no double jeopardy protection
      no fly, no assembly
      no fly, no trial by jury of peers
      and of course, no fly, no due process, which is already in place by the use of a no fly list.

      • No fly, no job driving trucks, since they can be used as weapons, as can buses, and cars
        No fly, no drive.
        No fly, no job as a teacher . . or doctor …
        Safety first, after all

    • Freedom of speech as a constitutional right doesn’t apply to private companies, such as Facebook or Twitter. They can censor anyone for anything, as long as it’s within their stated policies. And if it isn’t, they can change the policies. The first amendment protection only applies to government making laws against it.

      • To Tom in Florida (never visited there, but maybe sometime):
        Because of corrupt interpretations, what you say may be what it has become, but the original text reads that “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech…” It makes no qualification as to the content of that speech.
        One can also make the observation that whenever anyone’s speech is the subject of possible legal restraint, it is, ipso facto, “political” speech.
        However, it lays no such prohibition on the States…

      • Michael,
        You must understand the reasoning behind “freedom of speech” and why it pertains only to political speech. Prior to the writing of the Bill of Rights seditious libel was the rule. One could not publicly criticize government/public officials. This was legal doctrine in England and was passed onto the Colonies. Many of the Founders felt that it was a pathway to dictatorship when those in power could prevent and punish those who openly opposed them. And as the Bill of Rights specifically pertains to actions that the government cannot suppress, then it becomes clear that the intention was to restrict government action against those who would speak out against it.

  13. “but also developing new technological solutions to combat the hate.”
    How’s that likely to work out?

  14. the filter can improve the quality of Tweets you see by using a variety of signals, such as account origin and behavior.

    Bad idea. You want a free and open market place of ideas, you have to allow it all or it is no longer a free and open market place of ideas. Don’t feed the trolls works. If you are easily offended not participating in adult political conversation also works.
    The biggest problem is Twitter has a horrible track record in evaluating “quality of Tweets”, It would not be surprising if a “sky is falling chicken-little” at Twitter determines anyone or anything associated with wattsupwiththat.com is of “poor quality”.
    True it is a user option to turn it off or on. But what an option to provide; an option that throws control of a persons world view based on politically biased bureaucratic numskulls at Twitter. Is it any wonder that Twitter stock keeps dropping, when its initial mission statement and promise is gradually subverted into becoming a PC echo chamber. Plenty of left and right wing echo chambers out there, the market is flooded, another dumb business move by Twitter.

  15. I have a different take on this.
    It is ultimately determinable who the bad actors are. I think it is important to find out the full catalogue of the enemies of skeptical science. I say bait them, record their activity, allow them to upload certain utilities. Start a reddit subreddit as a clandestine CAGW cheerleader, etc.. build a database.
    The day is coming my friends when the pendulum will swing against the left wing. Obama used the DOJ and the IRS etc to attack his enemies. Don’t ever forget that.. This data will come in handy.
    Trolls and nasty people leave tracks and the internet has a long memory.

    • eg.. Seth Rich, a DNC staffer sent a ton of email and DNC internal data to wiki-leaks (it is believed) That act got him killed, (it is believed)
      It is conceivable that a bigger climate-gate reveal is on the horizon by way of a disgruntled CAGW activist. The RICO prosecution against skeptics has a long email record amongst the activist leftists. This is going to be revealed…I suspect… by a Guccifer 2.0 etc. I think it is inevitable.

      • Paul, if the Clinton scandals are (from her fake being shot at to Benghazi and her foundation) not any bigger than “Climate Gate” or “Water Gate”, a bigger climate reveal has got be a lot bigger. The MSM just white washes anything to do with the Clintons. To me after all they seem ( are?) in control of the MSM. This woman makes me ill.

  16. I have Facebook that I may open and brows once in a week but no twitter account yet. Unlike some, I have a physical life I’m trying to live which is hard enough when your on salary and your job has so much work, it pulls you into working long hours.

    • Hear, hear. “I have a physical life…” The distinction between reality and fantasy. People spend so much time on this, it is like an electronic substitute for dope. I, too, have other fish to fry.
      On the other hand, it can be a very fluid and helpful medium of communication. My wife has a very large family, scattered all over the globe, and it is a means that helps them all knit together.
      Finally, my other fish are very likely to be mediated by e-mail, so dwellers in china houses shouldn’t throw stones at glass ones.
      And where are we all meeting, today?

      • A 50 caliber revolver would be better.
        all you need is Shell casing sleeves and barrel inserts to change the ammo capability to anything from .22, .38, .44, .45 caliber and only 1 weapon.

  17. Bryan A
    August 19, 2016 at 2:52 pm wrote:
    “A 50 caliber revolver would be better.
    all you need is Shell casing sleeves and barrel inserts to change the ammo capability to anything from .22, .38, .44, .45 caliber and only 1 weapon.”
    I’ve never heard of this. In fact, I’ve never heard of barrel inserts for revolvers. What kind of accuracy would you get shooting 22 or even 38 cal loads out of a 50 cal revolver? There would be quite a long jump from the casing to the rifled barrel.
    Do you have a link for this technology?

    • Actually, the technology is decades old. You can purchase a wide variety of “sub-calibre” inserts for various firearms. For example, I have .38 Spl inserts for my 20-gauge shotgun; the insert is only the length of the chamber of the 20, but I get acceptable accuracy (say, in a survival situation) out to 25 – 40 metres. There are several manufacturers who make .22 LR inserts that work (semi-auto) in AR-15/M-16/M-4 platforms. In this case, the .22 LR bullet engages the rifling in the barrel of the rifle itself, and thus acceptable accuracy is gained out to 100 – 200 metres. It is great for just general plinking, or can be used for small game in a survival situation (5.56 x 45 does significant damage to squirrels and rabbits, unless you can make consistent head shots).
      Places to look are Cheaper Than Dirt, Sportsman Guide, BudK; or just google ‘sub calibre inserts’ and see what comes up.
      Hope that helps,
      Vlad

    • Vlad the Impaler wrote at
      August 21, 2016 at 8:47 am
      “For example, I have .38 Spl inserts for my 20-gauge shotgun; the insert is only the length of the chamber of the 20, but I get acceptable accuracy (say, in a survival situation) out to 25 – 40 metres. There are several manufacturers who make .22 LR inserts that work (semi-auto) in AR-15/M-16/M-4 platforms. In this case, the .22 LR bullet engages the rifling in the barrel of the rifle itself, and thus acceptable accuracy is gained out to 100 – 200 metres.”
      Apples and oranges. A chamber insert is not a barrel insert. Shotguns and rifles are not revolvers. However, you raise another surprising possibility – a 22 LR bullet engaging the rifling of a an AR-15 after being loaded (presumably by expert finger manipulation) into the AR’s chamber using a chamber adapter.
      Some intriguing questions:
      1. how does the AR’s centrefire firing pin ignite the primer in the 22LR case’s rim?,
      2. what’s your definition of “acceptable accuracy…out to …200 meters”?
      3. how much lead does this trick leave in the AR’s barrel?
      4. how much does this adapter cost?

      • Greetings:
        1) The AR firing pin strikes an insert/adaptor inside of the .22 chamber, and ignites the rimfire primer compound. Part of the system is a faux 5.56 “cartridge” which contains a .22 LR chamber and some freebore. It is quite an elegant system. I’ve heard, but do not know for a fact, that some units of the US military use it to save on ammo costs.
        2) Hitting what I am aiming at; since the fastest rimfire is only about half the muzzle velocity of a standard 5.56, you need to compensate for greater bullet drop. This requires some sighting in, and learning how to aim. Push comes to shove, I think I’ll be able to drop some small game w/ the system.
        3) Normal leading problems can be encountered; copper-coated bullets will reduce this, and most of the ‘hyper’ velocity .22’s have fewer problems (I’ve found Stingers and Vipers work best in mine). If you’re willing to go single shot, you can use .22 Short or CB, but that should be kept to a minimum. A thorough cleaning after a session at the range is a good idea.
        4) Prices, quality, manufacturers vary quite a bit; a decent system is in the $300 range, and one system I saw runs over $550. You ‘get your money back’ once you’ve gone through, oh, say, a few million .22’s, even though some 5.56 costs about the same as .22. Consider this system a “novelty”; when I bought mine, it was an actual savings (but then, .22 was about 50 cents a box … … … … ).
        Hope that helps. Sorry for the confusion on chamber/barrel inserts. I don’t know a lot (or actually, anything) about barrel inserts and revolvers. Maybe others can chime in on what you are looking for. Oh, and add Gander Mountain to the list of retailers.
        Vlad

  18. Vlad the Impaler wrote on
    August 22, 2016 at 3:55 am
    “Hitting what I am aiming at; since the fastest rimfire is only about half the muzzle velocity of a standard 5.56, you need to compensate for greater bullet drop. This requires some sighting in, and learning how to aim. Push comes to shove, I think I’ll be able to drop some small game w/ the system.”
    Your previous post cited acceptable accuracy at 100-200 yards, IIRC.
    I’ve been able to shoot one inch groups at 200 yards with centrefire ammunition in an accurate rifle with good optics and selected loads. But have never been able to get even half that accuracy with a top notch scoped bolt action 22LR.
    So I can only wonder in awe at your ability to get such performance out of the complicated rig you describe. I would expect ability to reliably take game such as grouse, squirrels, ground squirrels, etc., with this configuration to be limited to 50 yards, given all of the sighting compensations required (for lower muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient, greater lateral wind resistance) plus the inherent inaccuracy of the bullet due to manufacturing limitations, deformation by the long jump from casing to the rifling, and loss of spin due to progressive leading of the barrel with each shot.
    Maybe you have an unsuspected superpower that guides the bullet ;].

    • Well, no, not really; lots of practice, obviously. With any luck I manage to get out most every weekend. I am prone/bench, so that helps. Offhand, standing, or kneeling, it’s more a matter of luck than skill. I think once one knows their tool, the accuracy issues tend to fall by the wayside. Knowing the ballistics is another advantage (from 29-gr .22 Short to 38-gr HV LR and the ‘hyper’ velocity rounds).
      Practice, practice, practice; there’s no substitute.
      Let me know if I can supply any additional ideas; I use 36-gr HP most of all, having found them better than standard 40-gr. That was one of the best changes I made a few years back.
      Vlad

      • I’m in Quebec, Canada, where shooting is extremely expensive, and AR-15 ownership could soon become prohibited.So most of my shooting lately has been of the armchair type, alas! Thanks for the offer, though.

      • You are very welcome; sorry to hear about your issues in your local area. Depending upon what happens in November, it is possible we’ll be in the same boat sooner rather than later.
        Speaking of ‘armchair’ activities, you might enjoy “Bin Laden Liquors”. It’s been around for several years, and I think one can still find it. I haven’t played it in months, but it is always a KICK!!!
        Vlad

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