NASA’s Kepler confirms 100+ exoplanets during its K2 mission
The largest haul of confirmed planets obtained since the space observatory transitioned to a different mode of observing includes a planetary system comprising four promising planets that could be rocky

An international team of astronomers led by the University of Arizona has discovered and confirmed a treasure trove of new worlds using NASA’s Kepler spacecraft on its K2 mission. Among the findings tallying 197 initial planet candidates, scientists have confirmed 104 planets outside our solar system. Among the confirmed is a planetary system comprising four promising planets that could be rocky.
The planets, all between 20 and 50 percent larger than Earth by diameter, are orbiting the M dwarf star K2-72, found 181 light years away in the direction of the Aquarius constellation. The star is less than half the size of the sun and less bright. The planets’ orbital periods range from five and a half to 24 days, and two of them may experience irradiation levels from their star comparable to those on Earth. Despite their tight orbits — closer than Mercury’s orbit around the sun — the possibility that life could arise on a planet around such a star cannot be ruled out, according to lead author Ian Crossfield, a Sagan Fellow at the University of Arizona’s Lunar and Planetary Laboratory.
The researchers achieved this extraordinary “roundup” of exoplanets by combining data with follow-up observations by earth-based telescopes including the North Gemini telescope and the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii, the Automated Planet Finder of the University of California Observatories, and the Large Binocular Telescope operated by the University of Arizona. The discoveries are published online in the Astrophysical Journal Supplement Series.
Both Kepler and its K2 mission discover new planets by measuring the subtle dip in a star’s brightness caused by a planet passing in front of its star. In its initial mission, Kepler surveyed just one patch of sky in the northern hemisphere, measuring the frequency of planets whose size and temperature might be similar to Earth orbiting stars similar to our sun. In the spacecraft’s extended mission in 2013, it lost its ability to precisely stare at its original target area, but a brilliant fix created a second life for the telescope that is proving scientifically fruitful.
After the fix, Kepler started its K2 mission, which has provided an ecliptic field of view with greater opportunities for Earth-based observatories in both the northern and southern hemispheres. Additionally, the K2 mission is entirely community-driven with all targets proposed for by the scientific community.
Because it covers more of the sky, the K2 mission is capable of observing a larger fraction of cooler, smaller, red-dwarf type stars, and because such stars are much more common in the Milky Way than sun-like stars, nearby stars will predominantly be red dwarfs.
“An analogy would be to say that Kepler performed a demographic study, while the K2 mission focuses on the bright and nearby stars with different types of planets,” said Ian Crossfield. “The K2 mission allows us to increase the number of small, red stars by a factor of 20, significantly increasing the number of astronomical ‘movie stars’ that make the best systems for further study.”
To validate candidate planets identified by K2, the researchers obtained high-resolution images of the planet-hosting stars as well as high-resolution optical spectroscopy data. By dispersing the starlight as through a prism, the spectrographs allowed the researchers to infer the physical properties of a star — such as mass, radius and temperature — from which the properties of any planets orbiting it can be inferred.
These observations represent a natural stepping stone from the K2 mission to NASA’s other upcoming exoplanet missions such as the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite and James Webb Space Telescope.
“This bountiful list of validated exoplanets from the K2 mission highlights the fact that the targeted examination of bright stars and nearby stars along the ecliptic is providing many interesting new planets,” said Steve Howell, project scientist for Kepler and K2 at NASA’s Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California. “This allows the astronomical community ease of follow-up and characterization, and picks out a few gems for first study by the James Webb Space Telescope, which could perhaps provide information about their atmospheres.”
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Cool, the result of the drake equation keeps getting bigger and bigger.
There’s still the Fermi paradox.
The seeming discrepancy between the Drake equation and the Fermi paradox can probably be explained.
Shortly after a civilization develops technology that can be seen from space, it is taken over by CAGW luddites who impose less advanced and unworkable technologies on the civilization, causing it devolve and eventually starve while freezing in the dark.
Granted this observation is based on a rather small sample size. 🙂
We need to modify fi (planets that evolve Intelligent life) into fi*(1-fu) where fu is the fraction of planets that develop intelligent life which devolves into unintelligent life and gets f’d.
My take on Fermi is that of the, say, 8.7 million species of life on this planet, only *one* developed the ability for extraterrestrial communication and travel. No other form of life exists here beyond our *one* DNA version, in spite of our ideal Goldilocks location. Life, and especially planet-hopping life, is the kind of zero that can’t make a dent in Drake.
If dumber than us by even a small amount, we will not see signals from them since there are none.
If smarter than us, or just around longer, we won’t know how to detect their signals, and they won’t come out of the obsevation blind and contaminate their study of the primitive ape people in the designated wilderness area around Sol…
. . . gotta be there. Roswell was, then came saucers, petrified moon rock, water-on-mars from samples of ” . . . mars meteorites found on earth”, comets of ‘ice’ screaming around the universe (anyone ever heard one? Or chipped ice off one? Wasn’t rock all they found?), then a ‘noise’ from somewhere in deep space, now stratospheric cloud seeders creating the long-awaited global warming, drought, famine, pestilence, etc . . . But hey, it’s out there. Life is. And a healthy increase in the SFL budget will put us ever closer to finding it.
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So far, Fermi was correct.
Evidence shows that there are no aliens. That is a fact.
As far as “earth-like”. ? Meaning that it is inhabited by Kim Kardashian? It is about a likely as it is that 1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters would ever produce a Shakespearean sonnet. (More unlikely than you think if you do the math) “Earth-like” in that it is a sphere? Ok. that would be 100%. “Earth-like” as in a “Goldilocks” planet where organic like like Earth’s grows or could grow?
Exoplanets… nothing about them interest me at all. Despite their reality, their remoteness makes them an unattainable fantasy.
Paul,
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Paul Penrose,
Unless you adhere to Popper’s falsifiable hypotheses methods all assertions fail to be absolute.
Also, it is contingent on the adherents of [alien life] to prove its existence. They are on much more shaky ground than I.
And Paul Penrose,
I just found this:
In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.
— Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953)
One out of seven unknowns is marginally less unknown. How is that telling us anything?
So how big is it now ??
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But, of those species which are intelligent enough, how many can manipulate their surroundings sufficiently? Not dolphins. Not elephants. Not hawks. (I’m talking about physical – location/environment & body structure – not their intelligence.)
Oops! Above should be posted as Bob Shapiro, not usissuescom.
Thaks Anthony. Interesting stuff!
Albeit I had to do a double take on that picture as it looked like it was Mystery Science Theater 3000 for a second with that silhouette 😉
So, what do we need for a planet to support large, multicellular life?
G-series star, stable orbit in the “Goldilocks Zone”, Plate Tectonics, an oversized moon & a gas giant in the outer fringes of the planetary system?
Now, how common’s that combination?
Don’t forget planet’s magnetic field to protect single- or multi- cellular life from the star’s radiation.
Enough water to reject heat and keep the whole operation in the “happy zone”.
Not very common at all. Now take that very low number and multiply it by oh say 10 to the 20 something and that result is pretty damn big.
So there must also be a planet, after a few narrow escapes, chock-full of dinosaurs who discovered how to make musical instruments from the remains of ammonites. No need to communicate with us anymore.
Science fiction books are full of such places.
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Which ones are not run by deranged political appointees?
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Now those planets just might be habitable, Resourceguy.
Well, no.
The oxygen atmosphere of earth is an aberration.
It is possible that the planet has life if part of it is consistently between 0C and 100C.
But the life on these planets won’t look like anything familiar to us.
A planet that had an earthlike life cycle is only habitable for about a billion years, and then it is back to unicellular organisms.
+ 1,000
Ah just a 1000 Trillion miles away, a mere stone’s throw.
At such close orbits to their star, tidally locked they would be. Liquid water not allowed in any substantial quantity in that configuration.
or 170 light years (1 LY= 5.88 trillion miles)
Joel,
Not necessarily. While a planet tidally locked to its star needs only 1/2 the incident energy to maintain the same average temperature on its sunny side as a planet rotating fast enough to have a relevant diurnal cycle, it is not unreasonable that a planet closely orbiting a red dwarf is receiving between 600 and 800 W/m^2 which should be sufficient for liquid water to exist. In might not even get that much and its water would be frozen. Red dwarfs can have as little as a couple of hundredths of a percent of the luminosity of our Sun.
Any atmosphere would quickly transport the liquid water ((evaporated to vapor-gas phase) from the warm side to the cold side to be deposited as snow/ice. The day side would in short order become a hot dry barren landscape. The cold side would be a glacier ice pack of profound cryogenic cold.
What seems to be missing here at WUWT blogosphere is an understanding of the climate dynamics and a planet’s obliquity.
Think of a tidally locked planet as one with maximum obliquity (at least for climate).
Mercury for example has two “climate poles.” The one that faces the sun, on the antipose away. The Delta T between the sides is like a perrinial 700 Kelvin diff.
Here our climate poles are roughly the axial spin poles, but not exactly… And they change with the Malinkovitch peroidicity.
Earth, when obliquity marches higher, the climate dynamics start depositing lots of ice and snow at the poles during the winters. So much ice that the brief strong summers cannot erode it. Accumulation, that after millenia, results in profound climatic effects of lower oceans, ice bound high latitudes, yet the tropics are mostly intact. Dust storms from mid and high latitude deserts abound though. The hydrologic cycle slows.
@joel O’Bryan: In short, tidal locking is not necessarily a death sentence, and these worlds may not actually be tidally locked to their host star in the first place.
Mercury is actually a good example of a terrestrial-sized planet which orbits relatively close to its host star, but which is NOT tidally locked with one side facing the star (1:1 spin-orbit ratio). Instead, Mercury rotates 3 times for every 2 orbits it completes (3:2). Though the worlds in question orbit quite a bit closer to their star than Mercury does to its, they are also considerably larger than Mercury, suggesting that while tidal locking is certainly possible, it is not a given that they should lock at 1:1 with one side constantly facing their star.
In addition, there have been a number of papers which have addressed the issue of climate, meteorology, and the like on tidally locked worlds, and the growing consensus (I know, right? but here comes the needed caveat), barring future data to the contrary, seems to be that being tidally locked does not necessarily render a planet uninhabitable by default. More to follow on all of this, obviously.
Being so close to their stars, would the exoplanets be more highly affected by the magnetics of their star than ours?
I guess I am directing that Q to Leif Svalgaard…
Here are some thoughts on this: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.05943.pdf
There is uncertainty about what effect, if any, there might be, but as the paper explains, it is a subject worthy of further research.
Your reference gives more reasons why “habitable zone” may have little meaning. The proverbial needle in a haystack would be much easier unless and until our observational capabilities get much, much better.
Pop Piasa July 18, 2016 at 3:29 pm
Being so close to their stars, would the exoplanets be more highly affected by the magnetics of their star than ours?
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Speculator territory…
Connecting Flux tubes, similar to Jupiter’s moons.
Overlapping magnetic fields if the planet has one.
But imagine large stellar events like a Carrington event in that close proximity.
Earth is on the outskirts of the extended solar atmosphere, this would be an insider.
They have found ice in Mercury’s polar region.
On Jupiter, the cause and effect is that the moons are influencing the planet…
Pop,
One could at least imagine a planet with active outer core dynamo that would generate an exo-planet magnetosphere that would connect with a thus block the stellar magneto-shearh and stellar wind.
At 1.2 – 1.6 Earth masses, there certainly would be enough “hot outer core” in these exoplanets to potentially generate a strong magnetic field.
I love the words “suggest” and “might” when used together. They are essentially the results of a scientist or other person musing about possibilities. However, to the extraordinarily ignorant folks in the press, they sound like “it must be true”. We should stop musing about such things in scientific papers: it is a really bad habit. Write such musings elsewhere.
. . . could, should, surely, may, might, most, can, probably, possibly, often, although, seems, indeed (required use by egg-heads) . . . see AGW Grant Writing Manual-1
@Henry Bowman:
Such language is standard in scientific publications precisely because empirical data can NEVER prove absolutely, they can only “suggest” or “indicate;” as Einstein himself strongly implied, all it takes is one confirmed, contrary data point and your “proof” suddenly becomes so much hot air & wasted wood pulp.
However, your point is well-taken: just because a scientist somewhere says “it might be so” doesn’t mean we should immediately accept that it IS without any sort of questioning or independent validation, and much of what is published (in astronomy & elsewhere) IS independently verifiable/falsifiable by the lay public, should they chose to make the effort.
Now we really need to get a few Star Trek warp 7 starships.
Bill,
Please Invent the warp drive only after the basic physics of a warp field (reducing the 100,000 tonne mass of a space vehicle to that of a neutrino) are “discovered.”
Hint: a neutrino changes “flavors.” That is the key to get a warp drive to change the flavor of normal hadrons.
Astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez writes on the habitable zone in the cosmos.
E.g., Habitable Zones in the Universe
See: The Privileged PlanetThe Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery, By Guillermo Gonzalez, Jay Wesley Richards
The Privileged Planet
Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design, Guillermo Gonzalez, Jay W. Richards
I was teethed on the science fiction of the 50s and 60s. By the time I entered high school, I had read every single SciFi book in the Los Angeles County Library’s downtown repository. I am convinced that other life supporting planets exist and that there is recognizable life on them.
That said, I am dubious of these reports of exo-planets and would advise readers to as this question:
What Are They Really Counting?.
(A fine and apropos article you wrote and link to, I feel, Mr. Hansen. Thanks)
“I am convinced that other life supporting planets exist and that there is recognizable life on them.”
I’m curious about what convinced you of that . .
John Knight ==> If you write me at my first name at the domain i4 decimal net, we can discuss it. I’d be glad to share.
Well you did say you read all the science fiction books.
So how many of the real science books have you read ??
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Some Hawaiian natives are protesting against telescopes on Mauna Kea. They are seeking respect for sacred places.
I think we should declare the telescopes themselves to be sacred. They allow the whole of mankind to more fully experience the true magnitude of the works of God (or the deity of your choice). Staring through a telescope is an act of worship.
It is blasphemous to demonstrate against the construction of an observatory.
They’d need a few more brain cells for that to happen.
Probably bad topic shift but
There appears to be another world much closer.
I don’t buy it but the more bizarre thing is I only first heard of this last week.
http://humansarefree.com/2015/09/13-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-hollow.html
This must be as old as the hills themselves.
You must be somewhat young. I think I first heard of the ‘hollow earth’ theory back in the 60’s, and it wasn’t new then.
In fact it was first proposed in 1692.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth
*The largest haul of confirmed planets obtained since the space observatory transitioned to a different mode of observing includes a planetary system comprising four promising planets that could be rocky*
Is there even one person reading these words that doubted gazillions of planets (including rocky ones of course) exist in the universe? Anyone?
Wouldn’t it actually shock you if that were found to not be the case?
Contact. It is the one scientific accomplishment for which I have constantly hoped for the last 20 years. It has always seemed a high probability in my small mind that the Universe must be teeming with planets similar to Earth and it has seemed logical to me that intelligent life must have developed on an uncountable number of them. I have always assumed that the only reason we had not found that life is our scientific limitations. But I have hoped and expected that in my life time, the space age and NASA and SETI would make the breakthrough discovery. Of all the truly historic things that might happen in my lifetime, this seemed like the most likely. Now at 81 I have come to realization that my hope was truly foolish and in the few years I can reasonably expect to live Contact seems very unlikely. All of these new reports of Cinderella planets illustrates just how far we are from having the ability to reach out to any of those planets with enough resolution (of any type) to detect intelligent creatures. As a broadcaster who watched as our Earthly RF transmissions increase to a million watts with excitement, I thought certainly the SETI listening project would succeed. And now as the digital age and low power and on-line distribution begin the rapid replacement of strong RF transmissions here on Earth, I envision that within two decades our civilization will no longer be sending out powerful signals. And if that is the history of Earthly transmissions I now realize that our period of detectable transmissions will be a tiny fraction of the life of Earth. Intelligent life elsewhere may have not even ever used RF.
The whole Contact thing depends on a very suspect assumption: Namely that we have arrived at a model of reality which is in fact close to correct.
When quantum science tells us that we definitely have not.
I.e. we might well be inhabiting a multi-dimensional world, of which we stubbornly refuse to map more than 4 into consciousness.
And the way we map those 4, is what defines us as human beings: unless other beings map in identical ways, we simply don’t share the same conscious space with them. And if they did,they would be human too.
In this human composed Universe, we are completely alone. Because it is our own private anthropocentric human universe. How could it be otherwise?
Biocentrism?
Well it also credits ” intelligence ” with superior survival longevity (of an intelligent species ).
Absolutely no evidence that is true.
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We are nearly clever enough to take a baron rocky world and transform it and seed it so that life will thrive.
Life may have sprung up spontaneously here on what was a baron rocky world or maybe there were those clever enough to set in motion the transformation. Perhaps even the truth behind ancient legends of Gods.
I’d be pleased to live long enough to find out 🙂
A noble ambition, but what if the baron wants his planet to remain barren?
In the words of Monty Python ” I hope there is intelligent life up there because there’s bugger all down here on earth ” seems to fit with CAGW .
Depends on the atmosphere of these exoplanets. If full of greenhouse gases like Venus, they would be hot as hell. If the atmosphere is transparent and without greenhouse gases, the star luminosity and distance of the exoplanets would give them a cool surface temperature of -4 C
Strangelove,
The main contributor to heat on Venus is not GHG but the pressure of 90 plus atmospheres.
I would argue that it is not the pressure itself, but the sheer amount of that atmosphere which is responsible. Consider that while increasing pressure from some starting point does increase temperature (all other things being equal), Venus has had billions of years to lose the excess heat produced by any such “pressurizing” event(s). Since it is likely that atmosphere has had its present thickness since it formed, no such pressurizing events are likely to have occurred, so pressure in & of itself is probably not the cause.
That said, while it is possible that the planet is a few degrees C warmer than it would be otherwise because of its ~95% CO2 content, I doubt that even swapping it out entirely for some other clear gas would make much of a difference. In other words, neither composition nor net pressure are likely to be the culprits responsible for making the night side of Venus hotter than the day side of Mercury.
Instead the extreme thickness of the atmospheric blanket itself seems to me to be the most likely reason for Ishtar’s extreme heat. To illustrate, our Terran atmosphere is ~75% N2, while the same element is only a trace gas making up ~4% of Ishtaran air. However, there’s enough of that trace N2 in the Venusian atmosphere to replace all of the N2 in Earth’s atmosphere ~3-4 times. And just as Earth’s air keeps our temps warmer and more stable than they would be without an atmosphere, so too does Venus’ air keep its temperatures MUCH warmer, and MUCH more stable than they would be otherwise.
nH2 = PH2V / RT ; nH2 = (0.9503 atm)(0.456 L) / (0.0821 L-atm / mole-K)(295 K) = 0.0179 mole H2. The ideal gas equation (PV=nRT) provides a valuable model of the relations between volume, pressure, temperature and number of particles in a gas.
T=PV/nR
I don’t see “thickness” in this equation. Don’t see how it would lose temp over time unless some of the variables in this equation change, all of which have been measured by circumnavigating satellites. 90 plus atmospheres of pressure exists and is causing the 800 or so F temps, not the CO2 composition of the atmosphere.
So what is the density of Venus atmosphere at the solid surface ? At 90 atmospheres pressure, and common gases (presumably) the atmosphere must be quite dense.
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I agree it’s more accurate to say Venus is hot because of the atmospheric density, really the greenhouse effect only matters because it keeps Venus hot enough that the CO2 doesn’t get sucked into the rocks like it does here.
Venus could have the same composition it does today at Earth-equivalent density and it would be around the same temp as Earth instead of hundreds of degrees hotter.
“The density of the air at the surface is 67 kg/m3, which is 6.5% that of liquid water on Earth. The pressure found on Venus’s surface is high enough that the carbon dioxide is technically no longer a gas, but a supercritical fluid.”
Wikipedia
Plus, Venus is about 30% closer to the sun.
@jim G1: I once had the same understanding you do, Jim G1, and it took none other than an atmospheric scientist of the caliber of Roy Spencer to walk me through it. I didn’t change my mind because HE said it; I changed my mind because he presented the facts to me in a way that A) I could understand, and B) was in conflict with that old viewpoint. So I get where you’re coming from.
Those are ideal gas formulas for relating temperature, pressure & volume that you’ve presented, so allowing for the use of “ideal” gas laws in the current (very much NON-) ideal scenario, if one sets delta-T= 0K, does the pressure change (one way to look at the “in situ” hypothesis)? No, because zero times any number is still zero, which means the pressure has always been that high and no temperature change was needed to put it there. Further, if one chooses a non-zero starting value for T but a high starting value for P (e.g., one similar to Venus’ current surface pressure, another “in situ” look), then since there is little or no delta-P, there is also little/no delta-T. In other words, if either the temperature OR the pressure have always been what we see currently, then gas laws alone can’t explain what we’re seeing.
The only remaining scenario where pressure appreciably affects the temperature of Venus’ atmosphere, then is where one chooses a non-zero starting value for T (reasonable given proximity to the sun) and a significantly high value for delta-P (not UN-reasonable, as the gas may have collected over time). This results in a high delta-T due to delta-P, as you’ve intuitively gathered. However the question in this case is not, “Does an increase in pressure create an increase in temperature?” Of course it does! The key question is, “Does the resulting increase in temperature stick around in perpetuity, or does it eventually escape to space?”
Since the postulated pressurizing event happened only once (whether instantly or over a period of time), & since that impulse has never been replenished (solar heating & geothermal cooling having been relative constants throughout this time), as all other impulse heating eventually escapes unless replenished from some repeating or continuous source, we must assume that this heat is also eventually lost according to the laws of thermodynamics. Thus it is simply a matter of determining whether any of the impulse of heat from that initial pressurization has remained trapped since that event, or whether the heat has had time to escape to space.
If one does the math to show how all of that Venusian gas gains in temperature from near-vacuum in Venusian orbit to 90+ bar (assume if you like that the entire atmosphere attains the current surface pressure), then calculates how long it would take to lose that same heat to space before regaining radiative balance per applicable black-body equations, it becomes clear that all of the heat of compression is lost within a few centuries to a few hundred millennia (say 1,000 – 1,000,000 years, give or take, relative to the starting
assumptions values, and thus ending values, which may vary significantly). But since the solar system formed billions of years ago, none of that heat from compression can possibly remain today. As such, what is left must necessarily be due to the current balance between solar radiation (etc.), and the radiative losses to space.To illustrate this principle in a more everyday way, consider that every aerosol can in one’s house stores gases under extreme levels of pressure, and that the ideal gas laws apply to them just as much as to any other gas. So why isn’t the tank of propane (e.g.) feeding one’s barbeque — or the can of mosquito repellent, or the can of non-stick cooking spray for the grill & grilling utensils, etc. — too hot to touch without asbestos gloves? Because the excess heat generated during the compression of the gas while squashing it into its current container has had more than enough time to achieve thermodynamic equilibrium with its immediate environment, that is, to equalize in temperature with the surrounding environment. In fact, it equalized long before it went into storage before heading to market. As a result, your can of now-compressed gas is the same temperature as the surrounding environment regardless of the pressure of the gas inside it, and will remain so until either the pressure is relieved (cooling) or more gas is added (heating). Put even more simply, if one uses an hand-held air-pump to pressurize a bike tire or sports ball, the compression tube will heat significantly… but it does not stay hot forever. Granted the tube is nowhere near the size of a planet, and ideal gas laws don’t apply cleanly to a metal container with a compressed gas inside, but neither do they apply cleanly to a planetary atmosphere whose pressure changes both intrinsically & significantly with altitude, and is which is in direct contact with both a planet & the vacuum of space.
The mystery that planetary science has yet to solve is whether Ishtar (aka, Venus) is mind-meltingly hot (again, hotter than Mercury, and — more mysteriously — ridiculously uniform in its surface temperatures) because CO2 traps more than its fair share of that solar radiation, or whether it’s simply because ANY similarly thick atmosphere would naturally trap a similar amount of heat energy before attaining equilibrium. I lean toward the latter explanation at this time, but am willing to be persuaded.
Ugh, an edit button would be nice. Sorry about the strike-fest above; the only word that was supposed to be struck was “assumptions” at the very beginning.
My bad!
You know, I never really understood why the astronomers called these planets “Earth like” when after you read about the descriptions; they don’t seem very “Earth like”. I was reading one description where the planet was described as being like Earth except for it being four times as massive and temperatures between 200-800 Farenheit. To me, that means it isn’t like Earth.
This is “Pet Peeve #1” for me when scientists & the media discuss exoplanets in the public arena.
They are perfectly well aware that when they say “Earth-like” what they mean is “like Earth in some way(s).” The are also perfectly well aware that what the average person hears is “a planet one might mistake for Earth if one squints hard enough.” It’s not dishonest as such, but it’s extremely disingenuous and completely avoidable, regardless of the reasons they might think worth perpetuating the misunderstanding.
“Earth-like” is what we’re looking for; it’s not something we’ve yet found. That’s the plain truth.
Yep. Marketing.
cipherstream: d’accord when
astronomers called these planets “Earth like” when after you read about the descriptions; they don’t seem very “Earth like”.
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But this study deals with
a planetary system comprising four promising planets that could be rocky
/ instead of e.g. gaseous /
And then there’s e.g.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/liquid-ocean-saturn-moon-enceladus/
It should be noted that the detection technique for planets requires that the planet pass in front of their star relative to us. Very small tilt angles would preclude this. In addition, orbits take days to many years, so catching a crossing is a difficult proposition. The reality is that there are likely several orders of magnitude more planets than seen, of medium (but still larger than Earth) to large size, and likely many more than that that are too small to measure (Earth sized or smaller). This is very promising for the abundance of planets. Except for the need for liquid water and protection from solar wind and UV, we do not know enough to predict the possibility for life, and even less for advanced life.
“It should be noted that the detection technique for planets requires that the planet pass in front of their star relative to us.”
@Leonard Weinstein: Until fairly recently, that was a true statement, and your summation of the “transit method’s” limitations is accurate.
In more common use nowadays though is the “radial velocity” method, which uses the changes in the Doppler shift of the light from a given star to calculate whether there may be an orbiting object “tugging” on the star in a direction appropriate to its orbital position. Rather than requiring a series of transits, the blind spot for this method is much smaller, being only those systems in which orbit presents a nearly “plane-on” view as seen from Earth. “Plane-on” means the changes in the star’s velocity all happen in a direction roughly perpendicular to the line of observation, which means the light from the star is never appreciably shifted in the vector along our line of sight.
For stars with significant proper motion across the sky, the “plane-on” viewpoint actually facilitates a measure of that motion using traditional optics, which can show perturbations well enough to determine if larger bodies exist in orbit around them. However, this is currently still only useful for stars which are relatively close to us, i.e., w/in a few dozen light years (Barnard’s Star, the Centauri system, etc.), since these are the only stars with a measurable proper motion relative to our location in space.
That said, a number of exoplanet candidates have already been confirmed as genuine via “direct observation,” i.e., taking actual images (usually in IR, a few in visual light) of the actual planetary object in its orbit. Again, those targets are currently larger, hotter objects which orbit faaar from their host stars (thus not swamped by starlight), but recent advances in optical engineering & applications should eventually render this the most common form of confirmation in the future, while the radial velocity method and (to a lesser extent) the transit method will still be used for candidate-hunting, since those methods are well-suited to large-scale surveys.
“Except for the need for liquid water and protection from solar wind and UV, we do not know enough to predict the possibility for life, and even less for advanced life.”
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Except, we do know enough to predict the possibility for life.
Consider:
Water disrupts organic molecules faster than they can accumulate.
Oxygen disrupts organic molecules faster than they can accumulate.
UV disrupts organic molecules faster than they can accumulate.
Acidic tars accumulate at greater rates than organic molecules and disrupt organic molecules on contact.
The possibility of life evolving naturally on a planet identical to Earth in every way is NIL.
SR
“””The planets, all between 20 and 50 percent larger than Earth by diameter, are orbiting the M dwarf star K2-72, found 181 light years away in the direction of the Aquarius constellation.”””
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181 light years away, wow.
Let’s get a little closer..14 light years with a red dwarf star called Wolf 1061. Wolf 1061 hosts 3 planets with one those being in the proverbial “Goldilocks” zone. They have more than a decades worth of observations on Wolf 1061.
‘Nearby star hosts closest alien planet in the ‘habitable zone’
http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2015/nearbystarho.png
…””While a few other planets have been found that orbit stars closer to us than Wolf 1061, those planets are not considered to be remotely habitable,” Dr Wright says.
The three newly detected planets orbit the small, relatively cool and stable star about every 5, 18 and 67 days. Their masses are at least 1.4, 4.3 and 5.2 times that of Earth, respectively.
The larger outer planet falls just outside the outer boundary of the habitable zone and is also likely to be rocky, while the smaller inner planet is too close to the star to be habitable.
The discovery will be published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.””…
http://phys.org/news/2015-12-nearby-star-hosts-closest-alien.html#nRlv
Note: video simulation of Wolf 1061’s planets in orbit, at web link
Then we have this study also; “a Jupiter-sized star that is one-eighth the size of our sun and significantly cooler.” And it’s only (lol) 40 light years away.
.Just 40 light years from Earth, three planets might host life forms adapted to infrared worlds
May 2, 2016
…””With further observations, the team confirmed the objects were indeed planets, with similar sizes to Earth and Venus. The two innermost planets orbit the star in 1.5 and 2.4 days, though they receive only four and two times the amount of radiation, respectively, as the Earth receives from the sun. The third planet may orbit the star in anywhere from four to 73 days, and may receive even less radiation than Earth. Given their size and proximity to their ultracool star, all three planets may have regions with temperatures well below 400 kelvins, within a range that is suitable for sustaining liquid water and life.””…
http://phys.org/news/2016-05-years-earth-planets-host-life.html#nRlv
Anyone still having doubts that life might exist elsewhere similar to that on Earth???
Read on:
Many billions of rocky planets in the habitable zones around red dwarfs in the Milky Way
March 28, 2012
“”(PhysOrg.com) — A new result from ESO’s HARPS planet finder shows that rocky planets not much bigger than Earth are very common in the habitable zones around faint red stars. The international team estimates that there are tens of billions of such planets in the Milky Way galaxy alone, and probably about one hundred in the Sun’s immediate neighbourhood. This is the first direct measurement of the frequency of super-Earths around red dwarfs, which account for 80% of the stars in the Milky Way.””…
http://phys.org/news/2012-03-billions-rocky-planets-habitable-zones.html
duh Go figure the galaxy is full of big rocks, medium and small rocks, with plenty of “DUST in the WIND.”
All we are is Dust in the Wind….temporary lapse of memory…who….
“All we are is Dust in the Wind….temporary lapse of memory…who….”
@Carla: I hereby hand you the award for “Most Classic Rock References in 20 Words or Less.”
+10
It can’t be ruled out, but life in a dwarf system is pretty unlikely due to tidal locking and output variability.
I suspect the more we find out about exoplanets, the more Sol is going to look like a freakishly stable and life-favorable system.
@TallDave: Absolutely right!
As we began classifying stars by temperature & brightness, we began to find that Sol was near the universal average (not mean/mode, there’s a difference) in terms of brightness, temperature & size. This gave rise to the commonly repeated sentiment that we live “in a (presumably) average system, around an average star, in an average galaxy, etc.” The more we’ve looked, however, the more we’ve realized two very important facts about the stellar population: #1) most stars near the Sun’s weight class are also variable to the tune of several (to several tens) of percent; #2) more than half of all observed stars occur in binary+ configurations.
Why is the Sun more stable in its output (I speak of %TSI) than the average 60W incandescent?? What happened to Sol’s companion(s), or were there any to begin with?? These are just two of many unsolved mysteries… although I’m hopeful folks like Dr. Svaalgard may eventually shed some light on an answer to the former. ^_^
Yep, the power of the weak anthropic principle is only beginning to be revealed.
Pick an arbitrary point in our solar system’s history, and for 4billion/4.6 billion years, or 87% of geological history, there was at most single celled life There was no land life until about 440 million years ago, or 90+ % of geological history. In less than 200 million years, the sun will warm enough to fry all metazoan life on earth. .Even if we find planets in earthlike orbits, it’s very improbable that they would be earthlike in the sens of having multicellular land life.
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