I’ve previously discussed how some of the recent changes to wordpress code on wordpress.com where we are hosted have cause a bunch of trouble for me, including image cache problems, inverted moderation issues with banned word lists, disappearing comments etc. Yesterday, I was alerted to a new problem by WUWT reader “Saul from Montreal” in the thread about NSIDC using provisional sea-ice data from the DMSP F18 satellite.
Because we have almost 15,000 stories here now on WUWT, we don’t leave threads open for commenting past 15 days. Otherwise, we’ll be trying to moderate comments on threads that are years old. Here’s the setting we have (screencap of WUWT dashboard):
For years, this hasn’t been any sort of issue…that is until wordpress made their most recent change which causes so much trouble. It turns out (now, with the new code) that if comments get flagged for moderation, they end up in the trash, and we have to fish them out. When we fish them out, they will then appear on the thread, even after the thread is closed. This happened yesterday. The 15 days were up about 9AM on June 1st, and moderator Dave Stealey “dbstealey” fished them out around 11AM after the thread had been automatically closed. I also fished some out that morning after the thread had been automatically closed. However, if you were monitoring the RSS feed, you’d see new comments appear on that thread which were already closed…and that’s a no-no. Saul was right to point this out to me.
Worse, moderator Dave Stealey “dbstealey” wasn’t aware the thread was closed, and started replying to some of them made by “Saul from Montreal”. Now, you’d think that if the wordpress system had closed comments like we set it to, we’d get a message saying “comments cannot be accepted, the thread is closed” whether you were a regular commenter, moderator, or the blog owner. Surprise, moderators/owners don’t get that message, as this test message below proves when I succusfully made a comment reply from within the wordpress dashboard over 24 hours after the thread closed:
So this is an unacceptable situation. We can’t have comments being made after the thread automatically closes, it’s unfair, and gives an impression to people that don’t know what is going on with the mechanics of the system that we might be up to something scurrilous (well, there are some fringe elements that think that anyway no matter what we say or do or how transparent we are. Kisses Miriam O’Brien) like closing comments manually and then allowing a moderator to run roughshod over commenters that couldn’t reply. That of course didn’t happen, and I hope what I’ve done above shows clearly that was not the case.
So to rectify the issue, I went back and [snipped] any comments that appeared after the thread closed, except the test comment I made for the purpose of this post:
All of this has made me take a long hard look at the comment system, moderation system, and the process. I think I have a way forward that will solve most of these issues, but not all. I’ll run some tests and advise in a future post in a few days. If I’m successful, it may eliminate the need for moderation/moderators altogether.
Meanwhile, since this was a breach of my comment and moderator policy (even if accidental), we have to hold our own people accountable lest we become the post facto edited world of “Skeptical Science”,, I’ve taken “dbstealey” off moderation duties. He deserves a break after perusing millions of comments. He’s still as able as any of you to post comments but he won’t be moderating anymore.
For everyone else, please, in the meantime, TONE IT DOWN. I realize this is an emotionally charged election year, but recently a lot of commenters have just gotten over the top. A review of our WUWT comment policy is in order for everyone. Remember, commenting is a privilege, not a right.
Thanks to everyone as always for reading WUWT.
Added: Saul reminds me that during that thread, ‘dbstealy’ made some what I consider to be “over the top” comments about James Randi. While those weren’t my words, I’ll say that they weren’t merited and offer my apology that they ended up on the thread in the first place. Again my admonishment to everyone, “tone it down” please.



…I have been behaving myself…I think..kinda, sorta…..maybe ?
No, not really. We could do with[out]* your one-liner quips about “Agenda 21” etc. My advice: say something substantive, or don’t say anything at all. Cheers.
[*spelling error edited -Anthony]
…Sorry, I didn’t know that was not allowed…I will refrain myself, posthaste ! (see, I didn’t say it)
Is there a list of no-no topics ?
See the link to our site policy in the head post.
I never behave…💋
….My kinda gal !! lol
A friend often says as he’s saying goodbye “Behave yourself……Well or badly I’ll leave up to you”
I was once told off at work for “Inappropriate laughter”
James Bull
*hugs Marcus*
Maybe making people smile or lightening the mood isn’t substantive to anyone but me, but I like who you are Marcus, and who you are matters to me.
+1
I think I have a way forward…..+1
The first law of holes states that if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging
The cover up is often worse than the scandal…keep digging
If you can elucidate what you are trying to convey, we might get somewhere.
Are you Graham Saul?
I suspect he is pointing out the obvious, that dbstealey was not removed as a moderator because he inadvertently posted comments on threads after they were closed. Even if it were believable that would be a reason for a moderator to be removed, everyone who has looked at even a fraction of what dbstealey has been posting/doing on here would know it pales in comparison to his other offenses
But I could be wrong. There’s a reason I think people should just state their points rather than making vague remarks that sort-of-maybe convey some point.
I suspect he is pointing out the obvious, that dbstealey was not removed as a moderator because he inadvertently posted comments on threads after they were closed. Even if it were believable that would be a reason for a moderator to be removed, everyone who has looked at even a fraction of what dbstealey has been posting/doing on here would know it pales in comparison to his other offenses
But I could be wrong. There’s a reason I think people should just state their points rather than making vague remarks that sort-of-maybe convey some point.
Saul says stop digging, then says keep digging. Then won’t elucidate. But Brandon, you can figure it out. Has Stealey taken out some remark of yours, Brandon, under either name? Or yours, Saul? What exactly are you accusing our host of doing, removing Stealey for some other unstated reason and misleading us? The stated reason seems reason enough, and Stealey’s perceived “offenses”, namely speaking his mind bluntly (but on topic and presenting salient points) hardly seem reason for removal. Saul and Brandon, take a deep breath. I’ve read enough of both of your posts to say with certainty that you’ve been treated fairly by the host and, far as I can tell, no moderator has snipped you. Once more, what exactly are you complaining about?
Brandon Scollenberger says:
…dbstealey was not removed as a moderator because he inadvertently posted comments on threads after they were closed. Even if it were believable…
So Anthony is fabricating reasons? Why would he damage his credibility like that?
Your animosity carries over from other threads. There are several more examples like that one.
I pointed out at the bottom of this thread that you’re carrying a personal grudge. Go read it, it only takes a minute. And you’re still making the same false assumptions without any evidence, other than “I suspect.”
After your atttempted character assassination, you add a smokescreen/disclaimer:
“But I could be wrong.”
Wrong as ever, Brandon.
“The cover up is often worse than the scandal”
Why can’t you tell us more?
@Saul from Montreal
Nobody here has any idea what you are trying to say.
Are you willing to explain the issue? (And why do you even bother typing messages if you aren’t willing to explain the issue?)
I hope you are only on a rest break Saul and not a permanent joining of the rest of us. 🙂
Then why are you still digging?
I think we’ve all been to sites that were poorly moderated or not moderated at all. They’re mostly useless.
The only place where I’ve not seen this to be true is my own Facebook feed. I don’t (well, almost never) have to moderate comments there, but then that’s only because nearly all my posts are limited to ‘friends of friends’ and that pool of people seems to be pretty self regulatory. And that is because I only friend people on Facebook that I have met IRL. Okay, maybe I do moderate, but being careful about who my audience is.
‘by’, not ‘but’
This is a testament to the [high] level of professionalism driven by the owner of this site! I also will miss DB’s presence as one of the mods.
Dave Stealey and I are as far apart politically as one can get, without being honour-bound to resort to violence.
Yet I respect his intentions. I believe he means to make the world a better place.
And he’s clearly no fool.
Wrong as he may be about the inherent wickedness of collective responsibility.
A break from moderation will be good for him; back in the trenches will restore his youthful zest.
And that’s a good thing.
Keep it up dbstealey!
You are fighting for the good fight. And hitting the target often.
I would greatly fear someone approaching me, at gun point, saying, “I need to take [some of] your money to protect you.”
I fear a government that uses the IRS and the full might of an armed force intent (and succesful) on taking [some of] my life’s assets, behind the vale of doing so for best of intentions. That said, I most respectfully agree with the flavor and tone of DB’s sentiments.
MCourtney,
Very well said indeed !
Regards,
WL
MCourtney,
I haven’t seen your father comment lately, I hope everything is OK. If he’s around, please give him my regards.
Substitute “integrity” for “professionalism” and I agree wholeheartedly. (Many ” professionals” have no integrity.)
If I understand it right, DB hasn’t been banned from commenting. Just relieved of “mod” duties with their controls of what shows up. (for now?)
We may see even more comments from Smokey.
Agreed Gunga Din. Thank you for fixing for me. Are you trying out for a Mod position?
Maybe it is intentional?
Based on the preponderance of the evidence that is a conclusion a true skeptic could make
“Based on the preponderance of the evidence”
what evidence?
No there was no intent here, I wasn’t even aware that you could post comments from the WP control panel after the thread was closed. dbstealey didn’t either, and I don’t any of our present or past moderators did or do know this. As far as I’m concerned, its’s a bug/weakness in the WP system, and I’m going to send in a trouble ticket on the whole mess.
Now you are just trolling. Go away.
My fellow Paul: I’m sure your remark was directed at Saul, and you’re right, he’s taking one line pot shots instead of elucidating as Anthony politely asked. But don’t send him away just when he’s showing his true colors, or better said by Mark Twain, he’s opening his mouth and proving it.
I could say more than a few things about Randi myself. Hope DB’s vacation was desired and is temporary. Please, no punishments for a good faith accident.
Thank you for your transparency.
Transparency is part of respect of others, and respect of others is part of the scientific approach. Scientists should always be transparent not just about experimental setups, models, statistical methods, but also about the revision process, corrections, and changes made because of comments from peers.
+1
I think its important to note and acknowledge that moderators are also members. Members who should be entitled to express their opinions – as long as they are within the sites policies. It is a conundrum – as moderators there is an expectation they must meet a higher standard – which is really unfair in the end.
Moderators are almost always volunteers – who spend large amounts of time on a thankless task. And then are in a way penalized, with higher standards of conduct as well.
And yet they continue their work for the greater good.
Which as MCourtney notes … we should all respect and acknowledge.
Thanks for your efforts Dave Stealey
me too.
db is a commenter i follow.
he’s collected a vast armory of killer graphs
he’s sincere
+1k
I think I may have noticed a few comments recently that were ‘orphaned’, but I think I’ve also seen it at other blogs. I don’t know if they were also WordPress.
Anthony, I certainly appreciate your attention to seemingly trivial details of the truth. As the saying goes, “Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion.” Attention to truth that is better than other blogs that cannot be named. Blogs like that don’t even care about being published liars.You still have the high ground as far as I am concerned.
To me, inadvertent posting of comments after a posting is closed is a small thing, but at the same time not so small.
“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.”
By coming forward and being open (about a small (?) thing), Anthony demonstrates the highest levels of integrity.
In short, ‘In Anthony we trust.’
Thank you for your tireless efforts.
“Thanks to everyone as always for reading WUWT.”
And, special thanks to you for providing WUWT to be read!
…+ 100 stars
Piker! +1,000,000,000 .
Point taken i.e., “TONE IT DOWN”.
As a guest I always tone it down, never even had to be told.
Old school ?
Quit using wordpress hosting, it sucks.
I have been using Ramnode with solid state drive storage for years and they are great.
http://www.ramnode.com/vps.php
I have learned a tremendous amount of basic knowledge perusing the comments. I also am impressed with the group of commenters (97% anyway!), their knowledge, their ideas and their communication skills.
But I’m most impressed with Anthony Watts and what he has built here. I’m really not sure where we would be without WUWT getting the actual facts out about the climate scam. He has created a first class site complete with first class contributors.
Thanks Anthony and the others out there. I’m sure whatever you come up with will be 100% satisfactory. We all know you are hostage to the platform and sooner or later, it will all work out.
My sentiments exactly! Thank you for WUWT…it is hugely valuable.
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D. B. Stealey, WUWT’s #1 Troll Slayer
{And BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Smokey fired off 55 right-on-target rounds (i.e., links).}
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/11/key-west-fl-sets-new-subzero-record-low-temperature/#comment-157726 )
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{And below is an early appearance of that vile troll, “Gates” (this time, “R. Gates”). And good old D. B. is STILL whacking that snake in 2016, six years later… }
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/04/nsidc-confirms-wuwt-ice-forecast/#comment-335929 )
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And true-hearted patriot…
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/31/americans-fly-your-flag/#comment-400929 )
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WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU (and ALL of you longsuffering, truth-loving, loyal, moderators)!!!
You go, Dave Stealey!
Gratefully,
Janice
#(:))
Hey, D.B.. Lol, I’m in moderation, trying to compliment you re: your moderation. Well, too many links, no doubt. In case that post gets lost forever,
THANK YOU, D. B., Troll Slayer Extraordinaire!
Gratefully,
Janice
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I have often cited WUWT as an example of the best-run site for keeping comments civil, (mostly) on point, and eminently worth reading. The reason, I have always assumed, was intelligent, transparent, and ethical moderation. By ‘ethical’ I mean no attempt to censor contrary opinions, nor to skew the conversation one way or another.
So I am concerned about how one could maintain this very high level of discourse and yet “eliminate the need for moderation/moderators altogether.” I can’t imagine how it could be done, short of eliminating comments, but maybe that’s a failure of imagination on my part. I await, apprehensively.
/Mr Lynn
The “alt” newsgroups were unmoderated. On one hand, these newsgroups were cesspools of vile commentary and unsolicited commercial advertising. But on the other hand, you could have a discussion on a controversial topic with no mechanism for being banned or any comment erased. It was my favorite but occasionally I would retreat into the safer, pre-digested realm of the moderated newsgroups.
Moderation allows even routinely uncivil persons to occasionally say something intelligent and civil but it is a lot of work. It also helps avoid embarassment for persons that are usually civil but in a moment of outrage write something they wish they had not. Automoderation is good to catch such things.
Echo chambers are common; indeed I consider them normal. That kind does not care to have a large number of readers intelligently arguing things, or indeed, a large number of readers. Advocacy websites fall into this class. Banning is swift. In the earlier days of websites, commenting simply didn’t exist. You wrote your thoughts on your web page and I wrote my thoughts on my web page while arguments took place on alt.anything.goes.
WUWT will occasionally entertain contrary points of view (Monday Mirthiness for instance) and is reasonably tolerant of on-topic CAGW points of view. If it were not so, what would we have to talk about?
Troublemakers are common and not generally sincere seekers of truth. They are easily spotted and quickly banished, but it is not easy to keep out the sock puppets. On the other hand, a few honorary provocateurs can help keep things lively and if not enough exist perhaps they can be invited.
LOL!!!
THIRD attempt, with a spelling alteration (eye roll).
THANK YOU, D. B. STEALEY, Troll Sl@yer Extraordinaire!
Gratefully,
Janice
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Hi Janice, great information about a really good guy, D.B.Stealey. Thanks and applause for you both.
Oh, Ron, thank you, so much for saying so. Thanks for taking the time… Yes, indeed, he certainly deserves to be honored. Like Marcus, I am trying hard not to be a WUWT pain in the neck … by writing a lot less frequently. (and I’m getting too long, here, I know, I know) I sure do miss … some of the people, here. Hope all is well in “Winged Hearts” land, Janice
Thanks for posting all that on dbs. I always enjoyed his inputs and troll control. I’m sure others will miss him as well.
My pleasure! 🙂
Re dbs:
To Janice: yes, well said indeed.
To skeohane: Count me in too.
“Eliminate the need for moderation?????”
That ain’t gonna ever happen.
Troll will rule the world.
The ability to give different users different privileges by assigning them to different groups or roles is standard fare with all database applications. This is the reason I always use two accounts, one for my regular work and one for my sysadmin duties. In addition I often use dummy users to test privileges for different roles or groups as the limitations/privileges are not always obvious.
As you have now discovered closing comments doesn’t remove posting privileges from editors or administrators. Although not obvious I don’t find it surprising, especially for an administrator.
Yes, leaving comments open for editors & administrators isn’t a bug, it’s a feature, intended to permit answering pending questions previously posted. I’ve struggled with WP enough that I’m also not surprised. I’m anxious to know what the solution is.
Comments on Bishop Hill and JoNova are also very civilized, though I’m not sure how much effort that costs.
I agree, it is feature although a warning that the moderator is posting to a closed thread wouldn’t be a bad idea.The feature that is missing, but is available through the User Role Editor WordPress plugin (ad fee version cost $$$), is the ability to edit the roles permissions. IMHO, ability to edit roles should be native to the application. It is also my opinion that the moderators should have a separate accounts, one for moderation and one for posting comments.
Hi Anthony, I feel for you with your struggle to maintain standards in the face of badly thought-out wordpress changes. But Dave Stealey has been a magnificent moderator. He was the person who sorted out my woes when a nasty piece of work forged my name on a series of warmist hate attacks on my skeptic friends. It seems a bit harsh to punish him for a mistake that he could not have imagined possible. Who, after all, would think wordpress would be so incompetent?
Anyway, WUWT is still the best, and all kudos to Dave, in my opinion.
Ron, I think if you read some of the other replies, that D.B. Stealy was being relieved of moderator duties not because of the mistaken post-thread closure comments, but because of the tone of other comments he has been making recently. The structure of Anthony’s post makes it hard to see that this is the case, though if you reread it carefully, I think that is what he is saying.
Mike MacKenzie said-
“Ron, I think if you read some of the other replies, that D.B. Stealy was being relieved of moderator duties not because of the mistaken post-thread closure comments, but because of the tone of other comments he has been making recently. The structure of Anthony’s post makes it hard to see that this is the case, though if you reread it carefully, I think that is what he is saying.”
Let’s examine your comment from a logical standpoint. If dbstealey “was being relieved of moderator duties not because of the mistaken post-thread closure comments, but because of the tone of other comments he has been making recently”, and Anthony is the man of integrity, honesty and transparency that we all believe that he is, then Anthony should/could have SAID exactly that. No one should have to read or reread his OP “carefully” or make assumptions about what they “think he is saying”. Right? Honest, transparent, people of integrity have no need or desire to attempt to cover up their “real” motives, EVER. If they don’t want to declare them openly and publicly, they say nothing at all. They do not obfuscate or hem and haw or attempt to placate others.
SO-if Anthony is using the post-thread closure event to publicly relieve dbstealey of moderation duties, when in fact he has wanted to relieve him of moderation duties for other reasons for a while, then Anthony has problems with leadership, ownership and personal confrontations as well as honesty, integrity and transparency. Anthony’s exact words were-
“Meanwhile, since this was a breach of my comment and moderator policy (even if accidental), we have to hold our own people accountable lest we become the post facto edited world of “Skeptical Science”, I’ve taken “dbstealey” off moderation duties. He deserves a break after perusing millions of comments. He’s still as able as any of you to post comments but he won’t be moderating anymore.”
(There is a massive difference between public comments being posted online at SS, being screen capped or Way Backed, and then removed and/or edited later by someone with the authority/ability to do that internally-and dbstealey posting responses to the earlier comments of another person. Readers here are smart enough to catch on to that whole time stamp after the fact thing if it occurred more than once. I feel insulted on his behalf as well as my own that a comparison to SS was even brought into this conversation. That feels rather “over the top”and unmerited to me. It will be interesting to see consistent behavior results in there being an apology that it ended up in the thread in the first place?)
And in the update it says-
“Added: Saul reminds me that during that thread, ‘dbstealy’ made some what I consider to be “over the top” comments about James Randi. While those weren’t my words, I’ll say that they weren’t merited and offer my apology that they ended up on the thread in the first place. Again my admonishment to everyone, “tone it down” please.”
Using your logic, if dbstealey had been annoying Anthony for any period of time by making repeated “over the top” comments in other threads recently, why would “Saul” need to “remind” Anthony about something that surely had been bothering him for a while now? That makes no sense unless Anthony is oblivious to his own forum or going senile.
But since you seem to have the ability to know what Anthony meant to say, but did not actually say, perhaps you can tell me why rather than talking to dbstealey privately, like a long time friend, or even as the seasoned site owner who abhors the public fodder that is made out of his own personal life daily, Anthony chose to illogically write an entire article and cause unnecessary drama over what could have, and most likely should have, been handled as a mere technical mistake resulting from poor coding/platform issues, and dealt with between three individuals privately?
maybe all that- but hotwhopper has made a big deal out of db posting on a closed thread
a scandal has been generated.
sacrifices must be made to deny the enemy talking points.
I think that if indeed D.B.S. was fired for for a reason other than posting post-thread-closure comments, then Anthony should have structured his post to make the reason for such a public firing of a such-named person more clear.
Donald Klipstein,
Anthony is an honest guy. If this had been done for a different reason he would have said so, instead of fabricating a fake excuse.
I hope it wasn’t anything I said. I tend to be flippant when commenting on stuff that is beyond asinine.
For me, WUWT is far and away the most difficult site on the whole internet, for me to log into.
By that I mean, that more often than not, I get an error message that says it can’t show me the page, and asking me if I spelled ” wattsupwiththat.com ” correctly.
There have been times when I have spent a whole hour on line, working and reworking a post, that I felt I could make a useful piece of information for perhaps a few persons; even one would make it worthwhile.
Then when I finally hit the send button, the whole internet crashes, and I get that error message again, and my whole post is lost forever.
I’m sure it relates to that wordpress situation; but I confess I am quite bamboozled by this event where moderator Dave Stealey finds a glitch in their most aggravating editor (WP) and he ends up getting tossed under the bus.
I don’t know if there even is another internet site using wordpress that I ever log onto; can’t even think of one I might have seen accidently.
There are precisely three web sites I visit regularly; one of them being the Nikon Store web site, and the other one accounting for about 3% of my internet comments. That leaves WUWT with the remaining 97% of my thoughts. Nikon is a read only for me.
So wordpress drives me up the wall as I never know whether something I send, ever makes it out of my wifi dongle.
So If I disappear from here, I doubt you would even find me at that 3% uncertainty site.
But I sometimes wonder if I’m just wasting my time; I should go fishing instead.
G
I comment on many WordPress sites. I don’t have to have a Facebook or Twitter account. I don’t even have to have a WordPress account, although I always use the same identifier and email address so its pretty much the same thing. I cannot imagine why I would ever give some other website my Facebook password even if I had Facebook.
“I cannot imagine why I would ever give some other website my Facebook password even if I had Facebook.”
Which other websites are asking for your Facebook password?
I cannot imagine why a (non fraudulent) website would ever do that!
This makes my heart hurt. Quite literally. I’ve never been one to agree that someone can “break” rules or “transgress” laws that they aren’t aware of. Intent matters to me. Even the frequent trolls here get WARNED before they are blocked or edited. But dbstealey posts some comments without knowing a thread was closed (it’s been happening for YEARS….I get emails all the time from people posting on old threads….I haven’t counted the days myself, because I just assumed threads last forever here unless they are closed by moderators and it’s announced “this thread is now closed for comments”) and THAT gets him publicly reprimanded AND relieved of a voluntary position????
This is one of the best forums I’ve ever frequented. Not JUST because of the quality and maturity levels of most of the regulars-but because of the diversity of backgrounds, education levels, and general willingness to share, learn, and laugh together. Not all of us can, or SHOULD be, warm, soft, droll adults….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. And not all of us are, or should be, prickly, salty, witty entertainers either. GOOD. I’ve always loved that all were pretty much welcome here, warts and all, as long as things remained civil and open, within reason.
I’ve always liked the idea that as a personal blog, Anthony has the ability to just tell people to “suck it” if he wants to, but it’s starting to feel like that’s giving way to insipid whining, finger pointing, political correctness-crybaby-mob rule. I have ZERO desire to see this forum become edited like SS or Maleficent’s Blog (no kisses from me Miriam), but both of those blogs also have the above in common as well, and it’s extremely distasteful.
dbstealey has always been one of my heroes, because even when he gets fed up and pissy with posters-it’s usually because they deserved it. He holds his tongue longer than most people I know, and he’s usually CORRECT with his data and comments. That an unknown, unavoidable, unintentional event could result in his dismissal as a moderator here….just makes no sense to me at all. That it was made public and apologized for makes my stomach hurt as well as my heart.
My view is similar to Aphan’s. Making a substantive comment, especially in response to a sincere question, is work and sometimes a lot of work. Ad hominem one-liners are tolerable, just part of the rough and tumble.
But some blog sites attract the True Believers in catastrophic AGW and others attract the True Believers in natural non-catastrophic global warming, or no global warming, based only on conspiracy theories.
In my opinion, the reason some True Believers make ad hominem attacks is because their positions on either side of the debate are not supported by evidence, sometimes not by logic, and sometimes not by any scientific theory or knowledge at all.
I am gradually coming to see the blogisphere as a game in which there are fewer players and the cheerleaders have taken to the field to squabble about the color and size of the ball.
So I observe myself following the dictates of Gresham’s Law. Instead of writing comments in support of skepticism, I am downloading more papers and devoting more time to study.
The following is a paper that shows even the adjusted homogenized data containing the urban heat-island effect and skewed by wet-bias does not point to much climate change. And the little change claimed seems to have been within the bounds of natural variation (fluctuation).
Belda, M., Holtanová, E., Halenka, T. and Kalvová, J., 2014. Climate classification revisited: from Köppen to Trewartha. Climate research, 59(1), pp.1-13.
Paper: http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr_oa/c059p001.pdf
The following is one of a series of papers by the same authors that suggests variations in albedo are sufficient to account for observed climate fluctuations.
“A major change in albedo occurred between the early earthshine measurements and the more recent ones (Fig. 4). For the 1994/1995 period, Palle´ et al. (2003) obtained a mean albedo of 0.310 +/-0.004, while for the more recent period, 1999/2001, the albedo is 0:295 +/-0:002 (with a 0.6% precision in the determination). The combined difference in the mean A between the former and latter periods is of 0:015 +/-0.005, assuming the 1994/1995 and 1999/ 2001 uncertainties are independent. This corresponds to a 5% +/-1.7% decrease in the albedo between the two periods.”
Shortwave forcing of the Earth’s climate: Modern and historical variations in the Sun’s irradiance and the Earth’s reflectance. P.R. Goode, E. Palle (acute accent on the final ‘e’ in Palle is not shown).
URL:ftp://bbsoweb.bbso.njit.edu/pub/staff/pgoode/website/publications/Goode_Palle_2007_JASTP.pdf
Presumably, to pass peer-review and not to alarm grant -making committees approached for support in monitoring albedo, their latest paper shortened the observation period to show less variation in albedo. But the following paper is bolder. A 5% change in albedo corresponds to a change in net downwelling solar radiation of about 3% (30/70*5%) Three per cent of 239 W-m2 is about 7 W-m2.
In 2011, Hansen et al could claim a net radiative imbalance of only 0.58 W-m2. Estimates based on theory vary. Based on theory, Murry Salby stated 1.5 W-m2 net imbalance.
So what Goode and Palle suggested was that variation in albedo might be great enough to overwhelm all observed, inferred and theorized radiative imbalance.
Which is consistent with what Svensmark is claiming.
Hansen, James, et al. “Earth’s energy imbalance and implications.” Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics 11.24 (2011): 13421-13449.
Salby, M. Physics of the atmosphere and climate 2012, CUP, page 249.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=CeMdwj7J48QC&dq=salby+book+atmosphere+2012&source=gbs_navlinks_s
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Scanning climate blogs in search of new research is worthwhile, but I am gradually coming to tne view that commenting is a waste of time.
Sorry, in my comment above, “But the following paper is bolder.” should read, “But the foregoing paper is bolder.”
Frederick Colbourne:
I am gradually coming to see the blogisphere as a game in which there are fewer players and the cheerleaders have taken to the field to squabble about the color and size of the ball.
So I observe myself following the dictates of Gresham’s Law. Instead of writing comments in support of skepticism, I am downloading more papers and devoting more time to study.
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Scanning climate blogs in search of new research is worthwhile, but I am gradually coming to tne view that commenting is a waste of time.
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Yeah, and :
– when commenting is a waste of time
– what good is downloading papers and devoting time.
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Thanks for sharing. Hans
/ wasted time, Sisyphus syndrome on CAGW – you’re telling me /
Mr. Anthony Watts, what platform!
D.B.Stealy – sentinel.
Frederick Colbourne – yes. The point?
commenters , contributers clearing the sight – structures, dependencies under our fingertips.
whocouldaskformore.
I am gradually coming to see the blogisphere as a game in which there are fewer players and the cheerleaders have taken to the field to squabble about the color and size of the ball.
Omg I am using Google that LOL
Adaptation is necessary sometimes.
When we don’t have the opportunity to make the rules.
Just sayin……
I’ve held off saying anything about this, but there is always another side to the story. Anthony told me I can keep commenting here, so this is how I see this situation. It’s my story, and as I always say, the readers can decide.
A day or two ago I noticed a string of four or five comments by a new commenter: “Saul of Montreal”. He and I (and others) had been debating on an old ‘polar ice’ thread. I doubt if a dozen other people were still reading it because it was almost two weeks old. The thread with the comments is here, and the relevant comments are near the bottom:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/17/nsidc-resumes-sea-ice-plots-with-provisional-data/
When I saw that several new comments by ’Saul’ had been posted overnight, I replied in the morning as usual, not knowing that the thread had been closed.
Apparently, WordPress had just made a change that automatically closes comments. But since I was commenting via an ‘Edit’ screen, I was not aware of that. And as Anthony said, he didn’t know about it, either. And since Anthony very rarely closes comments, it never occurred to me that might have happened. So I just replied to Saul’s comments as usual.
Saul didn’t seem to be faring well in our polar ice debate, so he promptly complained to Anthony that I was using my moderator priveleges to take advantage of him.
Anthony reacted without asking asking me what happened, or anything about it. He just emailed me his ultimatum. I explained that I was not aware of the comments being closed. I told him it was an unintentional mistake, and I offered to delete my own comments.
But Anthony emailed me saying that I had caused him “a crapstorm”, and that was the end of it. I tactfully emailed him that I probably needed ‘a break’ from moderating. But that isn’t true. Moderating gives me something interesting to do. My wife is disabled, and I’m at home most of the time assisting her when she needs it. Keeping the site running, rescuing legitimate posts from the Spam folder, etc., are the things that help keep my mind off other issues.
Also, there isn’t anyone who has been more loyal to Anthony or WUWT than I am. No exceptions. If anything, I’ve been too loyal. I’ve never posted a single negative word about Anthony or this site, and I’ve always gone out of my way to defend Anthony on other blogs. I’ve seen regular comments about that both here and elsewhere.
So after nearly ten years moderating 24/7/365, and by my count close to a million reader comments, while putting in tens of thousands of unpaid hours over the years to help keep this site running smoothly, and after donating $10,000 to Anthony during that time, I’ve now been unceremoniously dumped because of a complaint by someone Anthony would have labeled an “anonymous coward” not very long ago. I have no idea who ‘Saul of Montreal’ is, but Anthony has clearly taken sides here. I don’t understand why. Maybe in time it will become clear.
One more comment: this may have something to do with The Great Randi, a magician who seems to be part of a blog called ‘skeptics.dot.com’. Apparently Randi has bought into the man-made global warming narrative, and ‘Saul’ is proud to be a “card carrying member” opf Randi’s group. ‘Saul’ threatened Anthony if he didn’t do something about his complaint. I won’t post his threat here, but Anthony can if he wants to.
Finally, I object to the way this article was written. It appeared to me, anyway, as assigning blame. There was no need to mention my name repeatedly, or at all. Anthony wrote:
…this is an unacceptable situation. We can’t have comments being made after the thread automatically closes, it’s unfair, and gives an impression to people that don’t know what is going on with the mechanics of the system that we might be up to something scurrilous… like closing comments manually and then allowing a moderator to run roughshod over commenters that couldn’t reply. That of course didn’t happen, and I hope what I’ve done above shows clearly that was not the case.
But what did Anthony do then? This:
…since this was a breach of my comment and moderator policy (even if accidental), we have to hold our own people accountable… I’ve taken “dbstealey” off moderation duties. He deserves a break after perusing millions of comments. He’s still as able as any of you to post comments but he won’t be moderating anymore.
[my emphasis]
Readers can decide if this was handled well. IMHO, there was nothing fair about it.
Dave thank you, we differ on our view of things. I appreciate the work you’ve done.
I am desperate to donate to my favorite blog, WUWT, and refuse to use PayPal. The recent frap about WordPress has scared me to death. What should I do?????? Help!!!!! You have my E-mail, please use it if you want. I can use credit cards or send you a check if I just knew where???? And How???
Dear Anthony,
I realize that you are under an excruciating burden of pressure from the AGW gang and that your integrity is daily under attack from them. You want to be operating WUWT at the highest level of ethical integrity. Good for you. What the AGW thugs think does — not — matter. What matters is what your friends and family, those who love you, think. We KNOW you are a man of integrity. You have nothing to prove with those whose opinions really matter.
Dave Stealey is your friend.
Who is Saul? He is NOBODY (to us). Somehow, that man hit a nerve with you and you turned on Dave, instead of Saul. Sounds like Saul is a crafty, poison-tongued, master of his craft at playing victim and creating the victim-persecutor-rescuer con — you became, essentially, the rescuer of Saul (poor widdo baby got locked out of the thread by accident… waaa).
Taking Dave’s facts and yours together into evidence, the reasonable juror here is going to conclude that he has been unfairly treated. Treating a loyal, hardworking, fine, man like Dave Stealey like that looks bad. If you want the WUWT community to respect you, you need to publicly apologize to a man who has given ten years of his life to making WUWT happen. “… the work you’ve done…” TEN years of volunteering with enthusiasm.
WUWT will crumble from within if people like Dave are treated like this. Readers are now alienated, but, hopeful. If you do not make it right with Dave Stealey, there will be a significant shift in loyalty. Apologizing to Dave will not lower you in our eyes, it will make you an even bigger man than you already are, (and that is pretty big — in character, in character, lol).
You have, under pressure, punished the wrong guy. You do not owe Saul ANYTHING. For the stunt Saul has pulled here, I would ban him permanently. He is nothing but a hissing, half-truth uttering, troublemaker.
WUWT stepped in a cow pie called “Saul.” Time to hose off our boots and get on with getting the truth out there.
We love you, Anthony. We also love Dave. I think you do, too …
With hope
that WUWT will get over this little bump in the road and
with gratitude
for you and for Dave,
Janice
I’m sorry Anthony, I’ve been a big fan of yours, but if what has been revealed about this situation is the full true story, then you handled it wrong. Intent should almost always be the deciding factor, and for someone like Dave that has given so much time and money to your cause, the benefit of the doubt should be given.
In the past I was the moderator of a busy blog (not nearly as busy as WUWT, but a enough to keep one moderator busy for several hours a day), so I know it’s not an easy task. You are basically making decisions on behalf of the owner and it’s not always clear how things should be handled. Once I got in the middle of a crap-storm because I snipped some financial details that the owner definitely did not want discussed. He backed me publicly and ended the controversy, but privately gave me some tips on how I could have handled it better. That was the right way to do it and I appreciated his support.
Please make this right Anthony; there’s still time.
While I respect the choice to run this site as the owner desires, in the end, this appears to be another example of a professional crybaby (who could I possibly mean, Saul?) making stink and getting his way to the detriment of the vast majority.
Boulder,
I really need to learn to save my posts….sigh.
Yes, this does stink of crybaby. And more…
On another blog that Shall Not be Named, Reginald Perrin posted this-
Reginald Perrin June 2, 2016 at 6:55 AM
“I have compelling proof that Dave Stealey (aka smokey et al) is still a mod at WUWT. Two hours after a thread closed at WUWT after its two week run, 10 comments appeared in a matter of minutes. Poor smokey had his ass handed to him and this is the only way he could save face.
https://archive.is/qhQg7
Unfortunately he forgot about timestamps, there is no way to argue those post weren’t made after comments closed.
I have been informed off the record that there were alterations and removal of comments on that thread, vanishing without a trace..”
Now, how is it, that good old Reggie KNEW (had proof) of something AND “had been informed off the record” of alterations and removal etc of comments…either from another mod here at WUWT, or Anthony himself, 8.5 hours BEFORE Anthony ran a “test post” to verify that WordPress was wonky?
“Anthony Watts June 2, 2016 at 3:28 pm-
test reply June 2nd, 3:28PM PST”
How is it that Perrin “knew” exactly what time that thread SHOULD have closed and that “Saul from Montreal’s” posts were not making it to screen but dbstealey’s were before Anthony could verify that 8.5 hours LATER? Do Saul and Reggie know each other? Is Saul from Montreal, Graham Saul-rabid activist and CAGW supporter? Are there three different people here or two? Or ONE? Does Reggie Perrin aka Blowtorch aka Storm…or Saul from Montreal hold such grudges against WUWT and Anthony and dbstealey that he tried to pull off some kind of upset here at WUWT….and in his zeal FORGOT about his own “timestamps”?
Maybe I’m just really tired and need some sleep…but Daddy always said “If it looks like bullcrap and smells like bullcrap, you don’t have to taste it to KNOW it’s bullcrap.” And I agree with Boulder…this whole thing STINKS.
Events like these wind up never being handled well.
Aphan’s note above shows why they almost can never be handled well. A number of people have been banned from WUWT, all should have been banned earlier. However, it’s hard to point to supporters who have run afoul of local standards, so when it happens, there’s a lot of pressure to prove to the detractors that supporters are held to standards just as high or higher.
I’m not too impressed with Saul, he seems to have some pretty thin skin. Two weeks into a post’s life, and he and Dave were likely the only people left reading the comments.
I’m less impressed with this Reginald Perrin fellow. He sounds like another person who spend his life looking for things to criticize in WUWT. He makes his own mistakes, it would appear:
This conflicts with Anthony’s screenshot showing that the comment period is 15 days. I suspect Perrin was so delighted to be able to find something to share with the rest of his peers that glossed over little details like math.
I know this is only an aside, but don’t underestimate Randi. Deep down he’s an CAGW critic in a similar manner to Bjorn Lomborg.
The skeptic movement sadly is a bit of a farce. While built on principles of critical thinking, and whilst there are many capable and knowledgeable scientists in the skeptic movement, as with most things it gets overrun by activists. In JREF, for example, it is not hard to come across anti GMO and anti nuclear activists who are so far removed from science and critical thinking it isn’t funny.
But back to Randi. Some years ago Randi wrote an opinion piece on his blog that was quite scathing about CAGW. I recommend anyone reads it before being too critical of Randi:
http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html
It’s a pretty good piece. Of course as soon as he wrote this the hand-wringers in the skeptic movement threatened to throw Randi under a bus for his heretical views on AGW. This resulted in a follow up blog where he seeks to smooth ruffled feathers and throw some crumbs out to the alarmists:
http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/806-i-am-not-qdenyingq-anything.html
It’s worth noting that the first of these articles is probably closest to Randi’s views; the second was written under pressure from the green blob and when you read carefully does not actually withdraw much from the first post (other than the petition project which was hardly one of the main points).
All in all I would be surprised if Randi buys into AGW alarmism, even today; I have no doubt the green blob has made him wary about discussing it openly though.
Spence,
Thanks for those links. They changed my opinion of Mr. Randi. The view he expressed in the first link is almost identical to mine (you’re right about the second link. He’s doing a little understandable backing and filling, playing to his readership).
The only thing I remembered about ‘the Great Randi’ was that he’s a magician, and that he helped to debunk psychic Yuri Geller’s spoon bending tricks. I was glad to read Randi’s very rational view of the global warming scare.
stealey
see my comment below: i had the same accident with the same sanction. Believe me now i am an admin there and as admin integrity of a board comes first place, so sometimes you have to make decisions that are in human way unfair.
a lot of people will blow this unintentional accident out of context, just wait till it is over and i’m sure then everything will be “same as before”
dbstealey – June 2, 2016 at 9:48 pm
When people in positions of authority make “emotional decisions” ….. when the situation warrants a reasoned-out “logical decision” ….. then “harm” has been done and mistrust will then be first and foremost in all future actions.
And an added note, …… the highly potential act of …. “emotional decision making” ….. is the primary reason for the claims of the existence of a “Glass Ceiling”.
LMAO, now we are being bullied by James Randi fanboys and the JREF cultists where they censor any skeptical discussions of climate change? I got banned for trying to have discussions on scientific papers they found inconvenient. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146653
dbstealey June 2, 2016 at 9:48 pm
Apparently, WordPress had just made a change that automatically closes comments. But since I was commenting via an ‘Edit’ screen, I was not aware of that. And as Anthony said, he didn’t know about it, either.
This is part of the problem, you post in threads for which you are also the moderator. It would be better if you either did not do that or used a different log in method when posting to that you use as a moderator. I was unaware that you were still a moderator but wondered if you were because sometimes strange things happened to posts when you were posting. Most recently you posted one of your ‘charts’ which showed the incremental forcing as function of pCO2,another poster pointed out that the graph was for a much different sensitivity than the accepted value. You appeared not to understand this and I posted an explanation showing a mathematical explanation of his point, after a few more posts from each of us (not contentious) about a day later both your and my posts disappeared. I requested that the mod reinstate the posts but there was no response. Your participation as both a poster and a mod in the same thread leads to suspicion of dubious activity. Now that you will be only a poster such suspicions won’t arise which will be better.
Phil.
Under “About” on the WUWT title bar, a drop down menu shows a page called “policy”. You should read it.
I can only assume you have NOT read it, as it clearly states (and has for years) that deleted posts cannot be restored. It also explains several other reasons why posts can be removed, and says “Don’t take it personally.” If you, or a mod, or anyone else is detracting from a thread, even politely, those comments can disappear.
Anyone can be suspicious about anything they like, but without proof, it means nothing. You have ZERO proof that dbstealey is the one that removed posts from threads in which he also commented. He is no longer a moderator, but that does not mean none of your posts will never disappear in the future, or that you personally won’t find reasons to be dubious about something.
I personally hope dbstealey posts more now that he’s not moderating.
Phil., where ya been?? You missed a golden opportunity to post your innuendo when this thread was new and being read by thousands. But I doubt that more than a dozen or two readers are still following it 4 days later.
You wrote:
…you post in threads for which you are also the moderator.
So do most, if not all moderators. What’s wrong with that? And I comment under my real name (unlike some anonymous posters). Would you prefer that moderators should be censored? The knowledge they contribute is as beneficial as any to the discussion. Or would you prefer that the views of moderators who are posting separately, and under their own names should be censored?
Regarding your opinion that it’s better to log on to a different screen to comment, I can’t speak for other mods but I suspect they also comment from the Edit screen, because it’s easier and more convenient. Why go to the trouble of bringing up a different screen, finding the right place to comment, posting a reply, and then going back to the Edit screen? I don’t think you would do it that way.
And I remind you that the WordPress change that caused this problem was done without any warning, and without posting that information on the Edit screen. Since the boss very rarely closes comments, why would anyone go to the bottom of every thread to check for that?
I’ve moderated close to a million comments here, weeding out the rising tsunami of spam and rescuing the legitimate comments that often get caught in the Spam folder (including rescuing yours), and in general doing the rote work necessary to keep things moving along in a timely manner. Since I can confidently support the skeptics’ position with a mountain of facts, evidence, and observations, there’s no reason to censor anyone. I’ve always said that a big difference between WUWT and alarmist blogs is that they censor comments they don’t like. WUWT doesn’t.
No doubt you’re aware of the recurring WordPress glitches and problems that readers constantly complain about. The unannounced change that prompted this article was another problem, and it won’t be the last. But to insinuate that I had to resort to deleting a comment because I couldn’t argue the skeptic’s side is presuming facts not in evidence. You’re good at technical details, but you are certainly no skeptic. I am, which makes it easy to deconstruct the ‘dangerous AGW’ scare. And when have I ever shied away from a debate? On the contrary, I enjoy deconstructing that false alarm.
I’ve always posted your comments like everyone else’s. Whenever I’ve snipped anyone’s comment it’s been for violating site policy, or for an impostor pretending to be another commenter. In those cases I gave a reason for the snip (the only exception being when someone used the F-word or similar. That would simply get a ‘snip’, and the author understood why).
And why would I delete my own comments, like you said? I’ve regularly advised commenters to keep a copy of their posts. That’s still good advice. So if for any reason you don’t see your comment, just repost it. Simples.
Next, you say Your participation as both a poster and a mod in the same thread leads to suspicion of dubious activity.
It would have been hard to find a thread that I didn’t moderate and comment on, since I’ve been moderating comments under every article for ten or more hours a day, 24/7/365 since this site began. You can be as “suspicious” as you like, but if I had done what you’re alleging even 0.01% of the time, there would have been scores of complaints like yours.
But I can recall only one similar complaint: William Connolley alleged that I had deleted a comment, or done something nefarious (I don’t recall exactly what he claimed because it was two or three years ago). Yes, that’s the same William Connolley who was repeatedly (and temporarily) supended by Wikipedia for deleting hundreds of comments skeptical of man-made global warming.
When Connolley complained I was immediately suspended. But after the boss investigated Connolley’s accusation via the time stamps, related comments, and whatever other WP forensic tools he was able to use, he emailed me saying he’d proved that Connolley was fabricating his story, and I was promptly reinstated. The events then were very similar to now, but without Saul’s threat.
Also, you may not be aware of it but there are about a half dozen other moderators. I can only speak for myself. And WordPress routinely causes various glitches and hiccups. I have no idea what comments you’re referring to, but I’ve always posted all comments (excepting those noted above), and moderated without playing favorites. There’s no need to; the alarmist narrative fails due to the lack of credible evidence or supporting observations. But I can assure you that if …a day later both your and my posts disappeared, that I had nothing to do with that. Why would I delete my own comments, anyway?
You’re using this WordPress glitch to join the monkeypile, along with a couple of others. I think that says more about the ≈3% piling on than it does about my moderating.
dbstealey June 6, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Phil., where ya been?? You missed a golden opportunity to post your innuendo when this thread was new and being read by thousands. But I doubt that more than a dozen or two readers are still following it 4 days later.
Sorry I do have a life!
You wrote:
…you post in threads for which you are also the moderator.
So do most, if not all moderators. What’s wrong with that? And I comment under my real name (unlike some anonymous posters). Would you prefer that moderators should be censored? The knowledge they contribute is as beneficial as any to the discussion. Or would you prefer that the views of moderators who are posting separately, and under their own names should be censored?
Regarding your opinion that it’s better to log on to a different screen to comment, I can’t speak for other mods but I suspect they also comment from the Edit screen, because it’s easier and more convenient. Why go to the trouble of bringing up a different screen, finding the right place to comment, posting a reply, and then going back to the Edit screen? I don’t think you would do it that way.
Actually I do that on my class website, I have a ‘Test student’ login so that I can see the page exactly the way the students do to me sure that things are behaving the way they should.
And I remind you that the WordPress change that caused this problem was done without any warning, and without posting that information on the Edit screen. Since the boss very rarely closes comments, why would anyone go to the bottom of every thread to check for that?
I was under the impression that comments were always closed after a suitable period, I’ve frequently noticed that over the years.
I’ve always posted your comments like everyone else’s. Whenever I’ve snipped anyone’s comment it’s been for violating site policy, or for an impostor pretending to be another commenter. In those cases I gave a reason for the snip (the only exception being when someone used the F-word or similar. That would simply get a ‘snip’, and the author understood why).
And why would I delete my own comments, like you said? I’ve regularly advised commenters to keep a copy of their posts. That’s still good advice. So if for any reason you don’t see your comment, just repost it. Simples.
I don’t know, but both your and my posts were ‘deleted’ after about a day.
You posted your CO2 ‘chart’ here: dbstealey May 9, 2016 at 12:48 pm
Followed by:
desmond May 10, 2016 at 2:46 am
@dbstealey
And a graph, which is a fake again: It presents ~0,3 Celcius degree per doubling of CO2 concentration.
dbstealey May 10, 2016 at 11:23 am
desmond,
Look at the graph. Where does it say ‘~0,3C’?
After which I explained how the data showed that and you queried it and we exchanged a couple of posts. A day or so later those posts were gone leaving just the ones shown above with no explanation.
I responded later:
Phil. May 12, 2016 at 7:55 pm
dbstealey May 10, 2016 at 11:23 am
desmond,
Look at the graph. Where does it say ‘~0,3C’?
Well I did explain but my posts were apparently deleted! Perhaps the mods can restore them?
Next, you say Your participation as both a poster and a mod in the same thread leads to suspicion of dubious activity.
It would have been hard to find a thread that I didn’t moderate and comment on, since I’ve been moderating comments under every article for ten or more hours a day, 24/7/365 since this site began. You can be as “suspicious” as you like, but if I had done what you’re alleging even 0.01% of the time, there would have been scores of complaints like yours.
Well there were occasions when Smokey’s posts were edited after they had been responded to, something that could have only been done by a moderator.
I recall this from about a year ago:
“(Reply: The moderator who removed Nick Stokes’ comment was not following Anthony’s Rules For Moderators. We all make an occasional error. -mod.)”
Also, you may not be aware of it but there are about a half dozen other moderators. I can only speak for myself.
Yes I know, there is a published list, for some reason when I last looked your name was not on it which is why I was surprised to learn you were still moderating.
‘Phil.’ said:
“This is part of the problem, you post in threads for which you are also the moderator.”
I’ve been a moderator on every thread. Other moderators comment too, and we all post under our own names. You’re just trying to split hairs. So that argument fails, and so does this one:
“It would be better if you either did not do that or used a different log in method when posting to that you use as a moderator.”
I always log in as: ‘dbstealey’… “Phil.” And it’s easy to be a critic when you have 20/20 hindsight. Had I known the thread was closed I wouldn’t have replied. Until this unannounced WordPress change happened, there had never been a problem like this. And now that everyone is aware of that WordPress change, it’s already resolved. So your “log in method” criticism was dead on arrival.
Next:
“I was unaware that you were still a moderator but wondered if you were because sometimes strange things happened to posts when you were posting…”
My moderating was never a secret. Nor was it advertised. And you are insinuating things that I never engaged in. Also, have I ever been reluctant to take on any comment of yours, or anyone else’s that I didn’t agree with? (FYI: the answer to that is a decisive ‘No.’)
I’ve always moderated in a professional manner, and I certainly never misused that position to delete any comments of yours. Why should I, when I look forward to them? Because while you’re up to speed on details, it’s easy to show that your overall conclusions suffer from a lack of supporting observations. If you were a real skeptic, you would see that.
You also misunderstand what a good moderator does to keep the site current; rescuing legitimate comments from the Spam folder in a timely manner, fixing typos in articles and comments whenever requested, moving spam that gets past the filter back into the Spam folder, weeding out inappropriate language, and comments about chemtrails, and identifying impostors pretending to be legitimate commenters, fixing links so they display properly, and many other repetitive details. It’s not the picture you’re trying to paint, of evil Moderator Snidely Whiplash searching out ‘Phil’s’ posts to delete.
I’ve done the rote work of moderating since this site began. I’ve also regularly advised readers to keep copies of their comments so they can re-post them in case of a WordPress glitch, which happens all too often, as we’ve heard from other commenters. I’ve also emailed new moderators, reminding them that they shouldn’t post personal comments under an article as a moderator. Rather, they should comment separately, using their own name.
Since moderators rarely communicate with each other, I have no way of knowing who might have done what — if anything. Yet with no evidence whatever, you implied that I was deleting your comments (“sometimes strange things happened to posts when you were posting.”). That’s just baseless character assassination. It may surprise you, “Phil.”, but you’re not important enough that I would bother deleting your posts. Why would I do that, when it’s so easy to post a skeptic’s rational, data-based response? That’s what I do all the time.
And if I or anyone else was arbitrarily deleting comments, then after moderating thousands of threads containing nearly 1,800,000 comments, there would certainly be dozens, if not hundreds of readers complaining about it. But there aren’t.
Your insinuation isn’t just a one-off; it’s a baseless smear, and I think it’s because you never could make a convincing argument supporting the cAGW scare. Out of more than 180 comments here, you’re one of only two or three disgruntled commenters who used this article as a chance to monkey-pile on by using bogus insinuations, and implying things that are no more than your opinion. That isn’t a reflection of my professionalism, it’s a self-serving attempt to spin a false narrative using slanted comments like this:
“Your participation as both a poster and a mod in the same thread leads to suspicion of dubious activity.”
“Leads to suspicion”?? Moderators routinely comment in the same threads they moderate. We use our own names, ‘Phil’, and your “suspicion” is not shared by the overwhelming majority of commenters here.
By trying to suggest that I deleted your comments, you are accusing all moderators of the same “dubious activity”, because we have all commented in the same threads we moderate. But if you had any evidence that moderators are doing anything wrong, you would have posted it instead of trying to make a bogus case.
Your “suspicion of dubious activity” amounts to bearing false witness, because you don’t have any verifiable facts to support your narrative, which is nothing more than malicious gossip. Furthermore, on the relatively few occasions I’ve snipped someone’s comment, I posted the reason why – unless it was something obvious like using the F-word, in which case I simply replaced it with: [“snip”] .
I rarely pass up the opportunity of replying to a comment I disagree with, “Phil.”, because for a real skeptic, refuting alarmist conjectures is one of life’s small pleasures. And it’s our job.