Bazinga! Edward Maibach and his FOI emergency stay for the #RICO20 emails gets slapped down by the court

From my sources in Virginia Court, comes this news about what we reported on recently: CEI fires back at Ed Maibach over ’emergency stay’ of #RICO20 FOIA documents – looks like he’s toast

RICO20-toast

The court heard the Maibach motion in about two minutes and ordered the entirety of FOI released. For the third time. Released was a copy-paper boxful of records that GMU originally claimed didn’t exist.

We will have more on this later after the legal team reviewing them can digitize, report, and release them.

For those just tuning in, here are some other stories to read to understand what just happened.

BREAKING: #RICO20 Edward Maibach tries ’emergency stay’ to retroactively pull Shukla/George Mason University emails from view

More FOI follies from the George Mason University #RICO20 train wreck: Edward Maibach, ‘legal gymnast’

UPDATE: here is the order to release “forthwith”. Notes indicate the GMU attorney was not even present at today’s hearing.

5-27-16-order-to-GMU

 

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Catcracking
May 27, 2016 9:49 am

Interesting, the next phase for the media and GMU is likely “what difference does it make”?

graphicconception
Reply to  Catcracking
May 27, 2016 10:08 am

That sounds familiar. Where have I heard it before … ?

ShrNfr
Reply to  graphicconception
May 27, 2016 4:01 pm

I don’t know. Everyone before him did it.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  graphicconception
May 27, 2016 6:29 pm

Depends upon what the meaning of “it” is.

Reply to  Catcracking
May 27, 2016 12:56 pm

No, no, no. HIllary gets up and calls it “old news.”

mark
Reply to  Donald Kasper
May 27, 2016 4:40 pm

Nah, she just says they should have used any old private email account for important, top secret stuff.

Reply to  Catcracking
May 27, 2016 4:28 pm

George Mason authored the Virginia Declaration of Rights, which inspired the Bill of Rights. He would be rolling over in his grave to hear of the RICO20’s scheme to silence debate on Anthropogenic Catastrophic Climate Change.
GMU, in the attempt to hide leftist lunacy, muzzling free speech has three choices: rename itself Karl Marx University, Saul Alinsky University, or Herbert Marcuse University.

kim
Reply to  lftpm
May 27, 2016 7:25 pm

What would really burn the believers would be a proposal to name the law school at George Mason after the legal giant, Justice Antonin Scalia.
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AllyKat
Reply to  lftpm
May 28, 2016 1:35 am

I have never felt such pride as I did when I saw that the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia did not throw a wrench in the plans to rename the law school. It is so nice when people have spines.

Bob Burban
Reply to  lftpm
May 30, 2016 8:49 am

“What would really burn the believers would be a proposal to name the law school at George Mason after the legal giant, Justice Antonin Scalia.”
… Anthony Scalia School Of Law … makes an interesting acronym.

MarkW
May 27, 2016 9:52 am

That was quick.
Very quick.

Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 2:31 pm

And very nice!

MarkW
May 27, 2016 9:53 am

“reviewing them can digitize”
Aren’t they required to release digital copies?

notfubar
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 11:08 am

nope – the hard copy is meant to slow down the reading, discovery, and dissemination of information. ‘Deny and Delay’ is a common tactic.

Reply to  notfubar
May 27, 2016 12:03 pm

I think it is funny. Which is more green: Printing documents using a lot of paper using machines that require electricity and then using fossil fuel powered vehicles to transport the documents? Or sending several files through email without using a single dead tree? The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

benofhouston
Reply to  notfubar
May 27, 2016 5:48 pm

Wait until you have to deal with the TCEQ’s RCRA permit applications. Send 5 copies of your 1000+ page permit application to the same office in Austin.Plus a digital copy.
I wish I was kidding. I spent over $50 on binders alone, not to mention shipping.

TAG
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 11:58 am

I’ve provided technical assistance to lawyers in lawsuits. They routinely run large volumes of documents through optical character recognition software to create searchable PDFs etc

MarkW
Reply to  TAG
May 27, 2016 12:18 pm

Actual e-mails include meta-data that help you determine who sent or received the e-mail in question.

riparianinc
Reply to  TAG
May 27, 2016 1:42 pm

That’s PRECISELY why some attorneys only produce scanned PDFs of the e-mails and other documents – – to strip off the metadata so you can’t tell when the document was actually written (or on which machine).

Larry Butler
Reply to  TAG
May 27, 2016 2:13 pm

I, too, have provided “technical assistance” to a friend’s brother, who is a lawyer. He wanted to find out if someone was tapping his phone. I crawled up under his big house and found not one but two celllular phone devices recording the family’s every word. I was told not to tell anyone over a very nice dinner far from the house. It took the prosecutors quite a long time to realize all the BS they were fed over those illegal taps was the reason they kept losing nebulous cases against the lawyer’s clients….(c;] At my suggestion, we set up a “game camera”, meant to capture digital pictures of hunting game in infrared no animal can see. It captured some fantasitc photos of some of the cops and law clerks going under his house. “Blackmail” is an ugly term, but it means you’re demanding money not offering to publish pictures of “yard birds” in local papers….(c;]
It was great fun! I’d do it again in a heartbeat….”for the good of the country”, mind you.
Hunting box stores and Amazon have the neatest game cameras….

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 2:48 pm

Time to crowd-source the review process. Links to documents SVP.

Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2016 6:25 pm

notfubar is right. Producing as poor quality paper documents is, technically, compliant. But is also an obvious ploy to release as little as possible. I work, and have worked, in e-discovery and digital data forensics my entire career. My personal, and professional, opinion is that a paper production of electronic documents is de facto obstruction.

May 27, 2016 9:53 am

But Maibach and the rest of the RICO20 meant so well 🙂

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 27, 2016 10:49 am

Well, Tom, let’s hope he has to pay the costs of his ‘good intentions’ (What’s that about the road to hell……?)

AllyKat
Reply to  Harry Passfield
May 28, 2016 1:50 am

I really hope that HE is the one who has to pay. I have a nasty feeling that this could result in increased tuition and fees for the students – because costs are not high enough already. sarc/off

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Harry Passfield
May 28, 2016 11:50 pm

“The road to Hell is paved with good intentions…and striped with Socialist arithmetic.”

Editor
May 27, 2016 9:53 am

I need to buy a Barbara Streisand CD to play for events like this.

Reply to  Ric Werme
May 27, 2016 10:11 am

Barbara gives me the runs. she causes Gutteral Warming- an infestation of disharmony of the innards.

Ron in Austin
Reply to  Scott Frasier
May 27, 2016 3:25 pm

Guttural worming?

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Scott Frasier
May 28, 2016 2:56 am

But she had a very nice voice when she was   young.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Scott Frasier
May 28, 2016 6:34 am

Like so many entertainers, she should have stuck to the singing.

Larry Butler
Reply to  Ric Werme
May 27, 2016 2:15 pm

Try this beautiful piano music:

If you turn it up loud enough, it even covers the cursing on your phone….

PiperPaul
Reply to  Ric Werme
May 27, 2016 4:40 pm

Why not the world’s tiniest violin?

Russ Wood
Reply to  PiperPaul
May 28, 2016 7:59 am

-Or the classical 9 inch piano player?

Crispin in Waterloo
May 27, 2016 9:54 am

Does the Court make note of the number of messages they were told that don’t exist that actually do? It seems to me that is perjury. I am not in a position to judge, but the Court is.

JimB
May 27, 2016 9:56 am

Isn’t it a criminal act to falsely deny something to a Court? I allus thought so.

Jim Watson
May 27, 2016 9:57 am

I wonder if any of Hillary’s emails are in there too.

BillyV
Reply to  Jim Watson
May 29, 2016 1:39 pm

No, as a large portion were marked “classified”. None of your business. There!!

May 27, 2016 9:59 am

So much for sanctions….

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
May 27, 2016 10:39 am

That was a separate motion. No word so far on whether that one was heard yet.

MarkW
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
May 27, 2016 10:45 am

This was the court denying Maibach’s motion to stop the release of these documents.
The motion for sanctions came from CEI and hasn’t been ruled on yet.

Paul Courtney
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
May 28, 2016 7:34 am

Stephen: Paul P. and Mark W. are correct, this entry isn’t considering sanctions. Also (for other commenters) it is not after a hearing, it is counsel for CEI walking in the door with entry, saying other counsel (for GMU) was contacted and informed that CEI would present this for signature. The scrawl is likely the judge’s, essentially noting that GMU counsel /s/ line blank. Likely the judge wrote this because, without the scrawl, the doc looks like an improper ex parte approach, but not improper because GMU counsel was contacted and because this is denying a request twice denied already. Here’s my projection-Maibach’s atty will claim improper ex parte, seek removal of judge and another stay until removal decided (pretty aggressive, Maibach may not have enough $ for this, he didn’t steal as much as Shukla); or she may try to walk in with her own “denial of sanctions” entry ex parte, saying “well, CEI did it first.” We’ve not heard the end of this, real shame is, this would have been Mann a while ago if courts in UVa case had followed law instead of going for the absurd research exception.

May 27, 2016 9:59 am

Malbach’s position on the 1st Amendment: “Shut up and go to jail!”

Alex Avery
May 27, 2016 10:00 am

Well, the court is likely to just let the identified docs be released and let the intransigence be “water under the bridge.” Too bad we don’t hold lawyers and government officials to account anymore. After all, the Obama Admin lied to the courts blatantly and repeatedly about DACA (Deferred Action for immigrants) and all they got was some “bad, bad lawyers” scolding and more “ethics training.” BFD.
They have every reason to lie and see if they can get away with it.
Alex

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Alex Avery
May 27, 2016 12:08 pm

The Texas judge exercised his authority and banned out of state Justice Dept attorneys from presenting in Texas.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 27, 2016 1:16 pm

!

Sleepalot
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 27, 2016 7:59 pm

He should’ve jailed them for contempt.

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Alex Avery
May 27, 2016 2:45 pm

Is Maibach emulating the unethical conduct by Obama’s DOJ Federal Judge Sanctions ‘Unethical’ DOJ in Immigration Lawsuit

Hanen lists the specific statements made by DOJ lawyers in court and on conference calls that were outright lies, and then he lists all of the applicable ethics rules that the DOJ lawyers violated. Those misleading statements put “to rest any doubt regarding misconduct.” Hanen said the representations were made in “bad faith” by DOJ lawyers and breached Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11(b), which makes such conduct sanctionable.
The ethics and conduct rules require a lawyer to “(1) tell the truth; (2) do not mislead the Court; and (3) do not allow the Court to be misled.” According to Hanen, the “Government’s lawyers failed on all three fronts” because their behavior was “intentionally deceptive.” In fact, said Hanen, “it is hard to imagine a more serious, more calculated plan of unethical conduct.” . . .
Attorney General Loretta Lynch must file a comprehensive plan within 60 days “to prevent this unethical conduct from ever occurring again.” She must ensure that “Justice Department trial lawyers tell the truth — the entire truth”;

DaveK
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 27, 2016 4:39 pm

Unfortunately, the DOJ lawyers are getting a slap on the wrist… they have to attend something like 3 hours of class each of the next five years. There might be other sanctions coming, but it doesn’t sound like it so far.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 27, 2016 6:47 pm

After Obama leaves office, there are going to be many books and articles written on what REALLY went on in his administration.

Gordon
May 27, 2016 10:01 am

Hopefully some enterprising Attorney will start RICO proceedings on the RICO20.

TA
May 27, 2016 10:03 am

No, it’s not a good idea to lie to the judge. The judge can make things real hard on you, if they want to. No competent, right-thinking judge would allow a lie in his court to go unpunished.
That toast looks tasty!

Reply to  TA
May 27, 2016 2:10 pm

Sorry folks Off Topic meant for TA, TA, found the link@ TA May 27 9 44 am, here is the link ( it was on WUWT around May 20) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/20/the-morality-of-meti-should-we-broadcast-to-let-aliens-know-were-here/comment-page-1 I do not know if Anthony gives out e-mail addresses but if you want to ask him for mine you have my permission to get it, if you want I could leave it here but I will only do that if Anthony will not. I’ll see if you are other recent threads to leave this same message. We were taliking about UFO sightings on that thread and you asked for a more detailed description. But again I can leave my e-mail. Prefer not to.

Javert Chip
Reply to  TA
May 27, 2016 3:15 pm

TA
Hard to square your statement with the mld action (ethics training) that has been taken.
“Making it hard” sounds more like suspending your law license for knowingly and deliberately lying to a federal judge.
Scooter Libby was sent to prison for lying to an FBI agent.

kim
Reply to  Javert Chip
May 27, 2016 10:43 pm

The FBI one morning
Lost its notes, suborning.
Eckenrode,
Where is that toad?
He’s wanted at a harrowing.
====================

MarkW
Reply to  Javert Chip
May 31, 2016 11:55 am

Libby remembered the conversation one way.
The FBI agent remembered it a different way.
Neither had any documentation regarding the conversation.
The DC jury decided to believe the FBI agent over a member of a Republican administration.

TA
Reply to  TA
May 28, 2016 5:25 am

Javert Chip May 27, 2016 at 3:15 pm: “TA, Hard to square your statement with the mild action (ethics training) that has been taken.”
I was speaking out *against* the ethics training used as punishment. The lawyers should already have their ethics training before they enter the court room.
Javert Chip: “Making it hard” sounds more like suspending your law license for knowingly and deliberately lying to a federal judge.”
Well, let me just say that I would throw the book at a lawyer who deliberately lied in a court room. That lawyer certainly should not be allowed to practice law again, was my main point.
Javert Chip: “Scooter Libby was sent to prison for lying to an FBI agent.”
I would be happy to see these DOJ lawyers going to jail. A deliberate lie in a court of law strikes at the very foundation of our government. People should go to jail for doing that.
Am I on the right page now? 🙂

Ironargonaut
Reply to  TA
May 30, 2016 10:46 am

The legal system is a system of lawyers, by lawyers, for lawyers. Only time they care a wit is if the lie is to one of them.
I’ve flat out shown lawyer violated ethics rules in court, and pointed out said was a violation. Judge didn’t say a peep.
If you trust our new nobility aka lawyers to honestly police themselves, I got some oceanfront property in Arizona I will sell you.

Mjw
Reply to  TA
May 28, 2016 1:39 pm

How about left thinking judges?

nc
May 27, 2016 10:04 am

Don’t worry Ed, Gore will support you, won’t you Al, Al, hello Al, Al !!!!!!

lance
Reply to  nc
May 27, 2016 10:09 am

Hi, you have reached the voice message of Al, I’m currently out of the country visiting the Maldives for a much needed vacation.

MarkW
Reply to  lance
May 27, 2016 10:46 am

Perhaps his rotundness will cause the Maldives to finally sink.
If I were him I’d be careful not to get to close to the edge, he might cause them to capsize.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  lance
May 27, 2016 10:59 am

Actually Gore is in the Maldives for some much needed water boarding, er, water therapy, yeah that’s it water therapy

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  lance
May 27, 2016 12:25 pm

#AI10 lol, celebrating 10 years of an Inconvenient truth.
Celebrating 10 years of failed predictions.

Reply to  lance
May 27, 2016 5:49 pm

It’s not sinking that’s the problem, it’s tipping over.

Pointman

Mike Maguire
May 27, 2016 10:06 am

An attempt to establish an authoritarian government.
Here’s another example:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/05/26/former-obama-energy-chief-slams-epa-climate-regs-falsely-sold-as-impactful-all-u-s-annual-emissions-will-be-offset-by-3-weeks-of-chinese-emissions/
“Former Obama Department of Energy Assistant Secretary Charles McConnell: ‘The Clean Power Plan has been falsely sold as impactful environmental regulation when it is really an attempt by our primary federal environmental regulator to take over state and federal regulation of energy.’
‘What is also clear, scientifically and technically, is that EPA’s plan will not significantly impact global emissions.’
‘All of the U.S. annual emissions in 2025 will be offset by three weeks of Chinese emissions. Three weeks.”

May 27, 2016 10:07 am

You know how people started using the term “Pulled a Madoff” after the whole Bernie thing happened? I suggest we start using the term “Pulled a Maibach” and be the trendsetters this time around. 🙂

Reply to  Aphan
May 27, 2016 8:17 pm

I proposed on here at least a couple of years ago that we quantify the climate hoax in Madoff Units. I seem to remember that it was calculated that One Madoff Unit equals $17 Billion.

TonyL
May 27, 2016 10:15 am

Nice picture, needs garlic butter.
In other news:
Popcorn trading at near record highs. Investors who went long on futures, now doing very well.

Reply to  TonyL
May 27, 2016 10:57 am

Gravy

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Slywolfe
May 27, 2016 11:00 am

And bacon, and eggs, if we had some eggs

MarkW
Reply to  Slywolfe
May 27, 2016 1:14 pm

If only we hadn’t run out of bacon yesterday.

Reply to  TonyL
May 27, 2016 6:08 pm

Bread pudding with cinnamon toast topping.

Steve Fraser
Reply to  ATheoK
May 27, 2016 8:34 pm

Er, Jam!

dragineez
Reply to  TonyL
May 28, 2016 6:39 pm

Garlic? Garlic on French Toast? You’re kidding, right?

Resourceguy
May 27, 2016 10:22 am

This is what happens when you don’t rise to the level of the FOIA defiance and non-compliance team for assistance. Right Lois? and Hillary? and Holdren? and Mann? At this lower level, your only recourse is a plane ticket to India or a climate media consulting gig.

601nan
May 27, 2016 10:28 am

(y) This could bring to GMU some very needed adult supervision.
Ha ha

Steve Fraser
Reply to  RD
May 27, 2016 10:43 am

Firing of Information Act?

RD
Reply to  Steve Fraser
May 27, 2016 11:04 am

The judge threw Maibach’s request for an emergency stay into the dumpster behind the courthouse and torched it.

MarkW
Reply to  RD
May 27, 2016 10:48 am

I wonder if Hillary’s hard drive is in there?

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 10:51 am
Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 10:52 am

Even fire cant guarantee the data is gone unless the drive is melted into a pool

george e. smith
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 11:24 am

Looks like granulated coal ready to use to preheat a free clean green renewable solar boiler factory.
g

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 12:23 pm

G apparently that pile of filings is Hillary’s “30.000” personal emails :p
She claims she sent 30k personal emails in a short few years

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Mark – Helsinki
Ahh, but it is easier than that. Just heat the disk above the Curie temperature and the disk gets terminal Alzheimers.
Hard disk surface materials are often bulk glassy alloys (metals with no crystal structure), for example Iron-Yttrium-Boron with an exotic formula. You can predict them with phase diagrams and make you own. They are stupendously strong (5 GPa) so they resist damage from the read head. After an exotic manufacturing process the material is ground to powder and put on the disks. If they exceed about 400 C most are no longer bulk glassy alloys, let alone holders of information.
You can erase a platter by heating it in an ordinary oven.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2016 5:40 am

Crispin in Waterloo
May 27, 2016 at 2:53 pm
Mark – Helsinki
Ahh, but it is easier than that. Just heat the disk above the Curie temperature and the disk gets terminal Alzheimers.
Hard disk surface materials are often bulk glassy alloys (metals with no crystal structure), for example Iron-Yttrium-Boron with an exotic formula. You can predict them with phase diagrams and make you own. They are stupendously strong (5 GPa) so they resist damage from the read head. After an exotic manufacturing process the material is ground to powder and put on the disks. If they exceed about 400 C most are no longer bulk glassy alloys, let alone holders of information.
You can erase a platter by heating it in an ordinary oven.
_______________________________________________________
Platters have a 5 micron cobalt alloy coating.
So the curie temp would be 1400k or 1126.85c depending on the alloy, it may vary
My ordinary oven does not go that high.
But the platter, is made from weaker aluminum (660.3°C melt point) alloy or a mixture of glass (1400 °C to 1600 °C depending on the composition of glass) and ceramic (around 4000c)
My oven’s max temp is 300c

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2016 5:43 am

I’ve been destroying data for over a decade for companies I worked for when retiring or replacing hardware in financial services

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2016 5:46 am

Grinding the platter is 100% no risk insurance. No risk in financial services is a great thing.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2016 5:47 am

and it is easier to do and much more cost effective

Arbeegee
May 27, 2016 10:43 am

I see BBC News reporting: “Donald Trump would ‘cancel’ Paris climate deal.”
So that would be… French toast?

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Arbeegee
May 27, 2016 10:53 am

Ba dum tisss

TRM
Reply to  Arbeegee
May 27, 2016 2:05 pm

You win the “Groaner da jour” award.

EternalOptimist
Reply to  Arbeegee
May 27, 2016 5:07 pm

in seine

Joel
Reply to  Arbeegee
May 27, 2016 8:01 pm

Why not. James Hansen said the Paris talks were worthless. So Trump and Hansen agree on something.

Nigel S
May 27, 2016 10:52 am

A fecund lawyer… that turned out well

ossqss
May 27, 2016 10:54 am

Justic is served.
It will be interesting to see who gets pulled into this via emails. There is significant apprehension behind the curtain that is going to get pulled back. The names involved may be a very big suprise……
Look for the word malice soon.
Queue up Dr. Smith “Oh the pain”!

george e. smith
Reply to  ossqss
May 27, 2016 11:26 am

Well that lets me out. I don’t even have PhD in Ice cream making.
g

Mike McMillan
Reply to  ossqss
May 28, 2016 12:35 am

Queue up Dr. Smith “Oh the pain”!
“Pain” is French for “bread.” Toast would be “pain grillé.”

Joel Snider
May 27, 2016 10:59 am

Paper copies? Was this the same sort of deliberate effort to bog-down the investigation – like Hillary did with her first batch of e-mails?

notfubar
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 27, 2016 11:13 am

ummm, let me think…. I would say ‘yes.’

May 27, 2016 10:59 am

OT but worth a look
Bad weather may explain Mongols sudden retreat from Hungary in 1242
“not because it was too cold …… melting ice and snow would have puddled, preventing the grass for growing very well that spring, leaving little for the horses to eat. Also, it would have meant lots of mud, making travel very difficult.”
http://phys.org/news/2016-05-bad-weather-mongols-sudden-retreat.html

george e. smith
Reply to  vukcevic
May 27, 2016 11:30 am

Actually they overshot their 14 day horse ride control range.
Timor the Lame, learned to his dismay, that you couldn’t keep management control beyond a 14 day horse ride. Took too damn long to learn that everything was going pear shaped.
G

Reply to  george e. smith
May 27, 2016 12:28 pm

Hi Big G
Interesting thing is that the present day Hungarian language is based on Mongolian, suggesting that many may stayed behind. I know three or four Hungarians, my wife was amused when one of them called Attila introduced him self. For a small nation they were very strong in the field of science, I’m sure you know of some, but von Neumann is probably the best known.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  george e. smith
May 27, 2016 3:01 pm

It is not generally known that the real reason Chinggis Khan went West in the first place was he heard when he was young that the best grazing in all the world was on the Plains of Hungary. He conquered and slaughtered his way there to find out if it was true. He killed a lot of farmers along the way because he felt that farming was a waste of good grazing land.
The Mongolian language is closely related to Korean and Japanese. One can learn the others in 3 or 4 months. However, the relationships between these languages go way back to the Turkic kingdoms which thrived in Central Asia long before, changing the borders every century or so. There are large Turkic graves recently discovered in Kharkhoram, the old capital, and there are “Turkish graves” a stone’s throw from Ulaanbaatar dated 535 AD.
There are maps of the Turkic kingdoms through the ages at the new National Museum in Kharkhoram along with hundreds of arrow heads from different eras.

DaveK
Reply to  george e. smith
May 27, 2016 4:50 pm

I thought that the Korean language was most closely related to Finnish, for some odd reason. The alphabetic form of Hangul was adopted in the 15th Century, and otherwise their written language would be pictographic like Chinese or Japanese.

Tim Hammond
Reply to  george e. smith
May 28, 2016 2:35 am

vukcevic
“Interesting thing is that the present day Hungarian language is based on Mongolian…”
Not sure where you get that from? Hungarian and Finnish are Uralic languages and go back way before the Mongol invasions – probably a thousand years or more.

Reply to  vukcevic
May 27, 2016 3:56 pm

Don’t you wish that archeologists that have never petted a horse would refrain from speculating about what an army of outstanding horsemen might find difficult or insurmountable circumstances in keeping their animals on the move? Archeologists speculate in the same stupid way about what hunting cultures might have found difficult.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  fossilsage
May 27, 2016 4:39 pm

fossilsage May 27, 2016 at 3:56 pm
Don’t you wish that archeologists that have never petted a horse would refrain from speculating ….
Was your comment aimed at one of the comments? Or Doctor Richard Gatling?
No one pets the enemy. You just find practical ways to do them in.
The Mongols lost one battles in the “Ahem” holy land and a hard won victory in the German Polish area.
They encountered for the first time European Armored Heavy cavalry. Teutonic Knights, was a bit of a shock to them.Just a handful proved to be quit the handful. There was a bit of finger pointing after the battle. Interesting battle to look at.
michael

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
May 27, 2016 7:45 pm

my address was to vukcevic but my point was that an awful lot of academicians speculate about things like commanding cavalry without any clue about what is possible or how a culture that dealt with those issues on a day to day basis might settle them. There’s similar mind set in anthropologists who suggest that prehistoric cave bears created an “impassable” obstacle to certain migrations of prehistoric migrations of humans.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  fossilsage
May 28, 2016 2:32 am

fossilsage May 27, 2016 at 7:45 pm
I agree.
Too many sit at a computer read a bit and think they have all the answers. If you study military history you should at least walk on a few battlefields to try and get a feel of the ground, see how long it takes to work across the field. Hold a few weapons of the time. It is the same with all the other aspects of history anthropology Geology, the whole list.
If they do field work get their hands dirty, then yeah they have some credibility
twelve years ago i took my son to Fort Niagara in New York. There was a group of people working “dig” in the center of the grounds. I brought my son to them and asked if they would tell him about what they were doing. They took him down into the dig and spent a half hour showing him every thing they were doing and all they had uncovered. He had a blast
It don’t get any better for inquisitive six year old.
michael

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  fossilsage
May 29, 2016 12:02 am

And every artifact archeologists don’t understand, they attribute to religious use.

MarkW
May 27, 2016 11:06 am

Looks like the GMU attorney’s knew a waste of time when they saw it.

commieBob
May 27, 2016 11:07 am

It seems to me that GMU had to go to extra effort to print out the emails. There’s no other reason they would be printed. It also seems to be standard operating practice for entities that want to clog up the discovery process. If they were real pros, they would have found a way to produce a hundred boxes of paper. 🙂

Reply to  commieBob
May 27, 2016 11:12 am

My brother is a lawyer. Back in the late 90’s he was representing some investors defrauded by a corrupt businessman. The corrupt businessman was ordered to turn over a large number of electronic documents, which when finally turned over, arrived not as word documents or excel workbooks, but as thousands of tiff files. They had printed the documents and then scanned them. Then they had put them on CD-ROMs in no particular order and with very unhelpful filenames
Subsequently, my brother has become quite the expert on OCR technology and software.

commieBob
Reply to  tarran
May 27, 2016 3:03 pm

tarran says: May 27, 2016 at 11:12 am
… Subsequently, my brother has become quite the expert on OCR technology and software.

LOL
In Canada recently, there was a high profile trial that was knocked off the rails by some decade old emails. Lawyers have to be aware of the kinds of digital evidence that exist and how to find them.

AllyKat
Reply to  commieBob
May 28, 2016 1:43 am

Well, GMU is super-sustainable, so they had to stick to one box. 😉 Was it just one box in total, or just one box that a) had not been released and b) was “newly found”?

Resourceguy
May 27, 2016 11:11 am

Now let’s see the redacted set based on national security.

FerdinandAkin
May 27, 2016 11:16 am

I think Heywood Banks sums it up.

John M. Ware
Reply to  FerdinandAkin
May 27, 2016 5:33 pm

Genius–of a sort.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  John M. Ware
May 28, 2016 12:45 am

You should see his one on barbequed shrimp.

AnonyMoose
May 27, 2016 11:25 am

WUWT seems to have overlooked covering CEI’s response to the first attempt to stuff the cat back in the bag. CEI lawyers pointed out to the court that the email which was asking for everyone’s personal email addresses invited participants to phone in the response — to his official university office phone. That doesn’t help support claims that it was non-university activity.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  AnonyMoose
May 27, 2016 12:38 pm

That’s just dumb…
but it’s also what you’d expect from a guy who’s dumb enough to believe that he can outsmart and make a fool of everyone else, since he teaches a course that could be called “Propaganda 101”.

Resourceguy
May 27, 2016 11:27 am

Let’s see the travel expenses to Paris.

TG
May 27, 2016 11:35 am

the George Mason University #RICO20 train wreck.
Great job and congratulations to CEI lawyer Crise Horner hes a true climate warrior.
I noticed it took 2 minutes for the slap down judgement, Funny that’s the time it takes bread to carbonize in a good toaster – Maibach’s/MSU burnt toast carbon moment.
Pop corn and some ice cold beers for the final act. LOL

Reply to  TG
May 27, 2016 12:05 pm

After that 2 minutes of carbonization, the toast is still edible. I’m hoping for another 2 minutes of slap down (i.e. sanctioning of the Maibach lawyer) which typically continues to carbonize the toast so as to become inedible. I’m hoping we see this toaster “tipping point” happen soon.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  TG
May 27, 2016 12:22 pm

+1

May 27, 2016 11:55 am

The attorney was not present because she was getting ready for the non-existent May 31 meeting. You know, the one that CEI issues a formal complaint/SANCTIONS against!!! Ha Ha!

Mark - Helsinki
May 27, 2016 12:21 pm

waiting for the documents to be released
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71fjCBeBKJL._SY679_.jpg

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Mark - Helsinki
May 27, 2016 1:39 pm
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 27, 2016 9:48 pm

“Ok, WUWT, lemme have it!”

gcarr343
May 27, 2016 12:22 pm

I am always entertained by how desperately the Green Left trys to dodge FOI requests. Could it be they have something to hide?

MarkW
Reply to  gcarr343
May 27, 2016 12:51 pm

The left is so convinced that they are the good guys, that they don’t understand why the laws would apply to them.

PiperPaul
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 4:58 pm

The Left:
I’m right, you’re wrong, and here’s the phoney science to prove it. Don’t look too closely.
It all comes down to good and evil, and because I’m a good person* I deserve to win, and I will use any tactics to achieve victory.”
* “Note that I, and people of my tribe, acknowledge and reserve the right to determine what is deemed to be good. Now f*ck off.”

DaveK
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2016 5:00 pm

The left keeps passing laws that were clearly intended to target their foes. When they might run afoul of those laws, they know that it wasn’t intended to apply to themselves.

May 27, 2016 12:27 pm

The attorney wasn’t present because she didn’t want to get rebuked by the judge in open court!
I hope the emails relate to Maibach’s money grubbing machinations.
The Free Beacon reports Maibach as saying:
“If there was a settlement between the government and the fossil fuel industry” stemming from a RICO investigation, “there is no question in my mind that a good portion of that money should be spent on a national campaign to educate people on the risks of climate change”
So the money would be given “climate communicators” like Maibach. What a lowlife, money grubbing, scumbag.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/maibach-foresees-big-checks-from-climate-rico/

TA
Reply to  Thomas
May 28, 2016 5:49 am

Thomas wrote: “So the money would be given “climate communicators” like Maibach.”
Good point!

Science or Fiction
May 27, 2016 1:26 pm

Do we have any reason to believe that everything relevant is filed with the court?
How, do we now that they haven´t just excluded and / or deleted some central documents?
Openness and honesty does not seem the be the strong side of Mason’s Center for Climate Change Communication.

Alec aka Daffy Duck
Reply to  Science or Fiction
May 27, 2016 2:44 pm

George Mason University I believe is taking a very dim view of their professors’ actions. Note that GMU did not fight the release of the documents. GMU likely will ensure all relivant emails were in the document release.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Alec aka Daffy Duck
May 27, 2016 2:57 pm

Seems reasonable, I guess the George Mason University has had about enough of the Center for climate change communication.

Reply to  Science or Fiction
May 27, 2016 3:00 pm

Lawyers generally ensure that clients produce all relevant documents because not doing so risks being found in contempt of court. This is particularly true for emails that could exists on multiple servers.
Of course, Hillary deleted tens of thousands of “personal” emails. Hopefully the FBI can recover them. I was involved in a large patent infringement lawsuit where a smoking-gun document, that had been attached to an email, was “lost.” It never did show up but the other side lost anyway.

Steve Fraser
May 27, 2016 1:33 pm

Hmmm… Attorney not present? Interesting.

May 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Well done, CEI. I love good news.

mpaul
May 27, 2016 3:31 pm

It’s late afternoon/evening in the US on a big holiday weekend. It now looks like the document dump will come tonight. It seems that this last minute maneuver had the effect of pushing the news into the weekend where fewer people will be paying attention. Seems like that was the objective. If CEI had any media savvy, they would hold the documents until Tuesday.

Reply to  mpaul
May 27, 2016 8:37 pm

Respectfully disagree mpaul. The bought msm is not going to disseminate this information to the world ever. It’s going to be disseminated by …. us. What better time than a long weekend of relaxing, good eating and drinking, and happily hitting those Send or Post buttons ??

AllyKat
Reply to  mpaul
May 28, 2016 1:45 am

It really is just like the Hillary and IRS cases!

Peyelut
May 27, 2016 3:39 pm

“THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE GRIND SLOWLY – BUT WILL GET YOU IN THE END” Anon.
May it be ever thus.

Nigel S
Reply to  Peyelut
May 28, 2016 1:00 am

Not so Anon.
Retribution
THOUGH the mills of God grind slowly,
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience he stands waiting,
With exactness grinds he all.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Mark Johnson
May 27, 2016 3:44 pm

The classic and classy move for folks like Mr, Maibach and those that support him would pull at this point is to ignore the Court’s order and publically dismiss it as politically motivated. We are rapidly approach a point in the country — if we aren’t there already — when citizens are going to honor the rule of law or ignore it. I would not count on Mr. Maibach respect the court.

Steve Fraser
Reply to  Mark Johnson
May 27, 2016 9:24 pm

Except that the University was the party on the hook.

Robert of Texas
May 27, 2016 5:08 pm

Your pictures of toast should be of burned toast… LOL

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Robert of Texas
May 28, 2016 3:15 am

Two are burned, they are Maibach and Shukla

May 27, 2016 6:30 pm

I’m no attorney, but I’d question if producing the records in printed format meets US legal evidence requirements. My vague recollection from the last time I had to deal with this was that documents have to be produced with all original attributes preserved. Since the original documents (e-mails) would have been (for example) searchable, printing them destroys some of the attributes. Same with any attachments. If they were searchable, indexable, had meta data associated with them, etc, in their original format, those attributes have to be preserved and provided to the other side. You can’t even make a pdf copy of them and claim it is electronic since that also destroys information that would otherwise be available in native format.
There have been some interesting cases in which large companies turned over electronic copies of documents during discovery, and a simple thing like turning on “track changes” in a Word document exposed the very information that the provider was trying to hide. Hence the penchant for responding with printed paper instead of electronic files. But I believe electronic files can be demanded and have to be produced in native format.
Perhaps ristvan is hanging around and could comment?

Jeff Smathers
Reply to  davidmhoffer
May 27, 2016 6:50 pm

Kind of like the White House version I actually downloaded of Obama’s birth certificate first produced in a PDF format that was not ‘flattened’…. You could virtually see each layer that was created and the independent accessories like, signatures, dates, format changes of fonts ;ect… quite telling actually. Oh yeah, and ” Totally Transparent ” !!

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 3:17 am

Guess what happened to Fuddy after releasing it.. she apparently died in an plane crash that everyone else survived.
Here is video of one of the passengers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/gopro-hawaii-plane-crash_n_4577694.html

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 3:18 am

People who cause Obama problems tend to die, like the 3 men who said he was gay

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 3:19 am

Fuddy apparently died sitting in the seat she was strapped into, the plane actually landed on water, it did not crash

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 3:23 am

Not only that, no US birth records exist for their daughters either.
No CS here, these are actually facts. I am not offering anything other than circumstance info
Also, no woman has an adams apple, make of that what you will

riparianinc
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 6:13 am

No, Fuddy did NOT die in a plane crash. I’m almost tempted to not post this, and I don’t want to feed the trolls, but even a hint of an idea that she was killed by some plot is not sound enough to be gibberish.
See: http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20131211X33313&key=1
Here’s enough to break the code:
The review of the airframe and engine maintenance logbooks revealed no evidence that a compressor turbine metallurgical evaluation of two blades had been conducted. The operator reported that the combined guidance documentation was confusing, and, as a result, the operator did not think that the compressor turbine blade evaluation was necessary. It is likely that, if the SB had been complied with or specifically required as part of the MORE STC inspection program, possible metal creep or abnormalities in the turbine compressor blades might have been discovered and the accident prevented.
The passenger who died before the first responders arrived was found wearing a partially inflated infant life vest. The autopsy of the passenger did not reveal any significant traumatic injuries, and the autopsy report noted that her cause of death was “acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation.” Another passenger reported that he also inadvertently used an infant life vest, which he said seemed “small or tight” but “worked fine.” If the pilot had provided a safety briefing, as required by Federal Aviation Administration regulations, to the passengers that included the ditching procedures and location and usage of floatation equipment, the passengers might have been able to find and use the correct size floatation device.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
• The loss of engine power due to the fracture of multiple blades on the compressor turbine wheel, which resulted in a ditching. The reason for the blade failures could not be determined due to secondary thermal damage to the blades.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:32 am

No, Fuddy did NOT in plane. I’m almost tempted to not post this, and I don’t want to feed the trolls, but even a hint of an idea that she was killed by some plot is not sound enough to be gibberish.
See: http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20131211X33313&key=1
Here’s enough to break the code:
The review of the airframe and engine maintenance logbooks revealed no evidence that a compressor turbine metallurgical evaluation of two blades had been conducted. The operator reported that the combined guidance documentation was confusing, and, as a result, the operator did not think that the compressor turbine blade evaluation was necessary. It is likely that, if the SB had been complied with or specifically required as part of the MORE STC inspection program, possible metal creep or abnormalities in the turbine compressor blades might have been discovered and the accident prevented.
The passenger who died before the first responders arrived was found wearing a partially inflated infant life vest. The autopsy of the passenger did not reveal any significant traumatic injuries, and the autopsy report noted that her cause of death was “acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation.” Another passenger reported that he also inadvertently used an infant life vest, which he said seemed “small or tight” but “worked fine.” If the pilot had provided a safety briefing, as required by Federal Aviation Administration regulations, to the passengers that included the ditching procedures and location and usage of floatation equipment, the passengers might have been able to find and use the correct size floatation device.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
• The loss of engine power due to the fracture of multiple blades on the compressor turbine wheel, which resulted in a ditching. The reason for the blade failures could not be determined due to secondary thermal damage to the blade
________________________________________
OK so, I made no statements as to cause.
But the implication is probably there, and you offer this as some evidence and make an absolute statement.
!No, Fuddy did NOT in plane.”
““acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation”
yes she did, there is passenger footage showing her seated and not moving when everyone else was evacuating.
and of course, a heart attack. Not like anyone has ever used that to kill someone.
This is from the US senate. It is a heart attack gun.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/02/22/weekinreview/22shane.xlarge1.jpg
Now I state nothing as fact, but your argument has more holes in it than a 2 sqm of Ementhal

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:32 am

Saying “troll” is a completely LAME tactic.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:33 am

Now lets leave this alone.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:45 am

Lastly, and Anthony please delete all this CS nonsense
“The L.A. Times reports:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-plane-crash-20131213-story.html#axzz2nNkAn7Gp
Fuddy, 65, was among nine people in a Cessna that crashed into the ocean Wednesday, shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport on the island of Molokai about 3:15 p.m. The eight others on the plane, including the pilot, were rescued, but Fuddy “remained in the fuselage of the plane,” Honolulu Fire Capt. Terry Seelig told KHON-TV. “It’s always a difficult situation when you’re not able to get everybody out.”
So riparianinc
May 28, 2016 at 6:13 am
What you say is not true, false narrative, she died in her seat, she was fine seconds before, didn’t look distressed (any more than everyone else). It was a perfect ditch. The impact not at all intense relatively speaking.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:54 am

riparianinc
May 28, 2016 at 6:13 am
Quite interesting “riparian” shows up on searches of CIA web links.
SCARY baaahahahahaha

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Jeff Smathers
May 28, 2016 10:56 am

That your troll handle?

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  davidmhoffer
May 28, 2016 10:37 am

Funny just before ditch, seen moving and didn’t look distressed.
Never got out
https://youtu.be/apLxOnIIx28

noaaprogrammer
May 27, 2016 7:07 pm

The legal system will always be a day late and dollar short when it comes to optimal handling of electronic information. Formats will always be a changin’.

R.S..Brown
May 27, 2016 7:17 pm

Folks,
Please keep in mind this document request is just the first solid step in proving that
numerous State Attorneys General have conspired to violate the civil rights of not only
CEI, but other organizations and individuals.
If the chains of emails formulating the RICO request letter include acknowledgement or
a “Thanks.” from any AG’s office back to the George Mason employees, that would be
another step in proving a conspiracy that went far beyond the ivory towers of academia.
A few Freedom of Information requests to the various AGs for correspondence between/
among the RICO academic advocates AND between/among the Attorneys General will
set the stage for a real soap opera.
Have a safe holiday…

Steve Fraser
May 28, 2016 9:01 am

This document is simply an instruction to the clerk to release the documents the Court has to the Petitioners. The Respondent’s (GMU) attorney was not present, but had been notified.
On the face of it, this order does not directly address Maibach’s motions, or on CEI’s counter-motions. That fun is still to come.

Reply to  Steve Fraser
May 28, 2016 5:48 pm

Steve, does this mean that the documents become public information and the pdfs can be posted ??

Steve Fraser
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 28, 2016 7:23 pm

They go to CEI. What happens after that is up to them. The case is over, so a brand new legal action ( for example, a brand new suit by Malbach against CEI directly, including a motion to prevent release) might be possible, but that likely would not fly. We will see.

riparianinc
May 28, 2016 12:30 pm

Clean up needed on Aisle 666. Conspiracy overlay atop NTSB aircraft accident stinking up this thread.
[Folks, please stay on topic. Thanks. –mod]

riparianinc
Reply to  riparianinc
May 28, 2016 4:06 pm

Mod – I’m trying to agree with you; just was hoping you’d delete this part of the thread. My last comment was addressed to “Mod.” That’s also why it’s a standalone and not a reply to any specific person. Sorry if I wasn’t clear last time.

May 28, 2016 5:49 pm

Is there a place where you can find Maibach’s grant funding history? I have a feeling that this might be a factor in what’s going on.

May 28, 2016 6:27 pm

OK, CEI counsel was at the May 27 2016 court hearing but GMU’s attorney was notified of the hearing but decided not to attend. But, where was Shannon Beebe (Spiggle lawfirm) who is Maibach’s private attorney?
She wasn’t asked, apparently.
John

Steve Fraser
Reply to  John Whitman
May 28, 2016 7:32 pm

This action did not involve her motions on behalf of Maibach, or CEI’s censure motion. Those are still to come. IMO, since the case is final past the 21 day Virginia limit, the court does not have jurisdiction, as was claimed by CEI. What we may still see is the Judge’s ruling on the motion, denying it. What I think is more likely to occur is a ruling on the motion to censure Maibach’s attorney, though it just as easily could go another way. IMO, this was a career-limiting move on her part,

Reply to  John Whitman
May 29, 2016 9:54 am

Steve Fraser on May 28, 2016 at 7:32 pm
– – – – – – –
Steve Fraser,
She looks to try to reverse information entropy (inevitable spread of info) that is going to happen when CEI publishes to the general public the tranche of emails/info released to them on May 27.
Interesting.
John

May 29, 2016 10:02 am

Hope to see CEI release very soon the emails/info they received from the court on May 27.
They should take care in doing so . . . do it wrt making sure private info is not publicized.
John

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