BREAKING: CEI Defeats RICO-20 Ringleader Shukla In FOIA Lawsuit – Emails to be are made public

Jagadish Shukla, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT
In the photo above supplied by George Mason University, 14 of the 20 signatories of the letter are shown. Some, such as Kevin Trenberth, could not be present due to distance and travel issues.Jagadish Shukla(front, center), George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA, Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA, Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA, Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ, Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD, Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL, Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL, Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX, Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY, Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY, Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT

 

From CEI’s web page:

CEI Defeats RICO-20 Ringleader In FOIA Lawsuit

George Mason University Must Release Documents Calling for Prosecution of Political Opponents

The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) prevailed in a Virginia Freedom of Information Act (VFOIA) lawsuit against George Mason University (GMU). The VFOIA request sought public records showing how the “RICO-20” group of academics, using public funding, organized their call for a federal racketeering investigation of “corporations and other entities” who disagreed with them on climate policy.

The judge ruled for CEI on all counts in an April 22 ruling in Christopher Horner and CEI v. George Mason University that the court released today. The ruling concluded that by leaving it to faculty who simply told the school’s FOIA officer they had no responsive records, GMU failed to conduct an adequate search; the judge also ruled that documents including emails from GMU Professor Ed Maibach must be released to CEI.

“This victory puts on notice those academics who have increasingly inserted themselves into politics, that they cannot use taxpayer-funded positions to go after those who disagree with them and expect to hide it,” said Chris Horner, CEI fellow and co-plaintiff. “These records are highly relevant to the state attorneys general campaign that these academics hoped for, and will be of great assistance to the public in trying to understand how their tax dollars are being used for political fights.”

In 2015, George Mason University (GMU) faculty claimed “no records” existed in response to CEI  VFOIA request for records regarding Professor Ed Maibach’s role as a ringleader of the RICO-20 campaign.  Other universities provided proof that the “no records” claim was not true, which prompted CEI to sue GMU over the FOIA dispute.

The RICO-20, including six GMU faculty, wrote a September 1 letter from 20 climate scientists to President Barack Obama, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and White House science adviser John Holdren requesting a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) investigation of “the fossil fuel industry and their supporters.” The scientists allege that the aforementioned interests “knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, in order to forestall America’s response to climate change.” CEI’s FOIA efforts extend to each public university represented in the letter. GMU is not the only school to falsely claim “no records” existed.

In May 2015, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) called for a RICO investigation of “fossil fuel companies and their allies.” The academics “strongly endorse” Sen. Whitehouse’s proposal.  Documents provided by two universities suggest the RICO-20 recruited this support, not for any legislation, but for his call to prosecute political opponents, in consultation with Sen. Whitehouse.

In April, 2016, CEI was subpoenaed by the Attorney General of the U.S. Virgin Islands for a decade’s worth of climate policy related work. CEI is vigorously fighting the subpoena, which is an attack on its First Amendment rights.


Here is the order denying their appeal to the April 22nd decision:

stay-GMU

The full court document: GMU-FOIA-Orders (PDF)

There’s quite a backstory to this, which we’ll cover later. -Anthony

UPDATE: Some emails are released in this document, they make for interesting reading: http://eelegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/img20160205_17361082.pdf

UPDATE2:

From EELegal

For Immediate Release:

May 13, 2016

Virginia Circuit Court Dissolves Protective Order on GMU Professor’s E-mail;

National Campaign led by AG’s to Use RICO Against ‘Climate Skeptics’ will be Revealed in Released E-mails

Washington, D.C. – Today the public came one big step closer to learning the truth behind how university professors launched “a national campaign” to have state attorneys general investigate and prosecute political opponents under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) — investigations which have now swept up think tanks and climate scientists who have dared challenge the climate agenda and claims made to force it into place.

Representing Christopher Horner and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, attorneys from the Free Market Environmental Law Clinic successfully argued that the public records of Professor Edward Maibach should now be disclosed to all, having previously been submitted to the court under a protective order. Having reviewed these emails under seal, we were aware of their connection and importance to the ongoing and expanding abuses by state AGs to use law enforcement powers to go after opponents.

On April 22, the Richmond (VA) Circuit Court held that the emails were public records, that they are not protected by any exemption and thus must be disclosed. Because they were being held secret under a protective order, and in light of the Court’s decision, today FME Law asked the court to dissolve the protective order and allow the records to be made public. The Virginia Assistant Attorney General, representing George Mason University, asked the protective order remain in place and that the ruling be stayed while it appealed the underlying decision to the Supreme Court. After extensive oral argument, the Court concluded that the appeal would most likely fail and thus it dissolved the protective order, allowing the public to view records about a disgraceful campaign that the public paid for.

Director of the FME Law Clinic, David W. Schnare, commented, “We need to protect the work of academics as set forth in Freedom of Information Acts, which laws make exception for information that should be legitimately protected, for example relating to research. But when professors voluntarily enter the policy arena, particularly in this case when they use their positions specifically to advance a political agenda, they are no different than any other government employee and the law treats them accordingly.”

FME Law, the Energy & Environment Legal Institute, and others should now look forward to publicly discussing what this information reveals about the ongoing campaign by text pair funded academics, lawn force meant officials, and major political party donors to use the offices of attorney general to prosecute and silence political opponents.

A total of 5 PDFs, 190 pages

Pages 1- 59

Pages 60-102

Pages 103-133

Pages 134-178

Pages 179-190

Here’s one:

shukla-retract

Here’s another showing how they planned to use tobacco lawsuit tactics:

maibach-tobacco

Here is the genesis of the whole affair. Shukla can’t believe the public remains mostly skeptical, therefore it must be a big oil conspiracy. Some scientist, op-eds replace factual research for him:

shukla-genesis-rico20

Here’s Shukla’s response to a tobacco lawyer meeting, seems his first effort into political lobbying turned into a disaster, as we see now:

maibach-tobacco2 shukla-amateur-political

“Don’t turn climate into God.”:

climate-to-god

LOL! Union of Concerned Scientists bows out of climate circus they propose, doesn’t think it is a good idea to get involved:

UCUSA-response-maibach

Here’s the worst part – they knowingly tried to circumvent future FOIA requests:

private-email-addresses

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Marcus15
May 13, 2016 5:10 pm

…Their RICO idea is going to come back and bite them in the @ss !

Dennis Horne
May 13, 2016 5:37 pm

Reminds me of Sharon Stone: Women can fake orgasms but men can fake whole relationships.
Who is telling the biggest and worse lies here? The scientists?
Looks like a rearguard action by some worried politically motivated losers. They should be worried: the science is clear and incontrovertible.

Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 13, 2016 6:26 pm

the science is clear and incontrovertible.
Yes, it is: There is no measurable effect from rising CO2.

Dennis Horne
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2016 6:43 pm

Eh? The Royal Society, US National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society, American Meteorological Society and every scientific institution and society on planet Earth VERSUS … dbstealey!
Science advances one funeral at a time (Max Planck). You’ll make a worthwhile contribution yet, dbstealey!

JohnKnight
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2016 6:48 pm

“Eh? The Royal Society, US National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society, American Meteorological Society and every scientific institution and society on planet Earth VERSUS … dbstealey!
No, silly . . I’m with dbstealey ; )

EricHa
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2016 7:16 pm

Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2016 7:29 pm

EricHa,
Perfect rendition of Dennis Horne. ☺

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2016 10:18 pm

Dennis Horne May 13, 2016 at 6:43 pm
Science advances one funeral at a time (Max Planck). You’ll make a worthwhile contribution yet, dbstealey!
Ah Dennis, as long as someone has a purpose to live for, they will live to a great age. As for dbstealey, I fear we will be blessed with his curmudgeon style for some time to come. As a matter of fact, I foresee him in the future undoing his breeches over a grave site with the stone bearing your name. Imagine that.
michael

ClimateOtter
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2016 1:45 am

Yo denis~ explain to us how organizations on the list such as the American Association of Pediatricians have ANY climate qualifications.

Mark T
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2016 6:52 am

Political statements one and all. None on that list has spent any time studying the actual data. Your appeal to authority, fallacious by itself, fails doubly.

Gentle Tramp
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2016 3:07 pm

@DennisHorne
“Eh? The Royal Society, US National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society, American Meteorological Society and every scientific institution and society on planet Earth VERSUS … dbstealey!”
Well, there was a similar consensus VERSUS Alfred Wegener for about 50 years – but he was right in the end…
And of course, dbstealey is not the only person who knows that a zeitgeisty and wrong ideology can corrupt a majority of people for some time, but not forever. Just think of the current collapse of the 99% consensus about “Saturated fat & cholesterol as reasons for heart disease”…
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2016 2:13 pm

What is funniest to me is how our planet is a water planet and somehow the climate modelers can not even get water right. Than we are supposed to believe that they can do co2 correctly?
Or that after years of getting it wrong that a sudden influx of organizations agreeing that suddenly they are correct despite showing zero actual skill?
It’s the game of the lawyer all over again. They lose on facts, they lose at consensus and they lose at pounding the table. They are in one word: losers.
Because successful people take on a problem and beat it. They win.
global warming activists seem to try to make new records in wasting resources.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
May 13, 2016 5:46 pm

What if Maibach claimed the cost of the breakfast as a work-related expense from his employer?

May 13, 2016 5:49 pm

Shukla and the others are amusing in their electronic toys:
“sent from my iGlasses”
“sent from my shoe phone”
“sent from my iPhone”…
It’s amazing what a simple grant allotment will pay for.

Billy Liar
Reply to  ATheoK
May 14, 2016 2:02 pm

I thought it pathetically juvenile – par for academia.

May 13, 2016 5:49 pm

The whole thing is a matter of opinion. In the US, because of the first amendment everyone is, or should entitled to their opinion, it should matter not if their opinion is right, wrong, or indifferent. It should not matter if their opinion is shared by 99.99% of people or 0.0000000001% of people. The first amendment protects all speech. In this case the government is trying to criminalize speech.
But it is worse than that. it is an indisputable fact that no one knows what damage, if any, will be caused be CO2 in 50 to 100 years or more. There is no data at all from the future to prove or disprove the models.
The tobacco case was way over reaching by the government, but a least that case was based on harm already allegedly done. This case is based on harm that might possibly happen in the future.

Dennis Horne
Reply to  Tom Trevor
May 13, 2016 5:54 pm

Good point. Let’s wait and … ‘sea’. (I live on a hill.)

Marcus
Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 11:10 am

..In a glass house ?

Latitude
Reply to  Tom Trevor
May 13, 2016 6:13 pm

This case is based on harm…projected by computer models that have been wrong about everything…… that might possible happen in the future.

Reply to  Tom Trevor
May 13, 2016 7:04 pm

Tom Trevor makes a good point, “The tobacco case was way over reaching by the government, but a least that case was based on harm already allegedly done.”
We often hear of all sorts of dreadful things that climate change has already caused, but a recent paper demonstrates how little climate change occurred between the start and end of the 20th century.
Belda et al (2014) reconstructed the global Koppen-Trewartha climate classification map to show the climate regions of the world (except Antarctica) for two periods, 1901-1931 and 1975-2005, based on a 30 minute grid, average area about 2500 km2, (About 50,000 grid cells cover 135 million km2, the land area of the Earth except Antarctica.)
My analysis of their paper revealed that between the two periods, only 8% of the cells changed climate type. When I plotted a scatter diagram of distributions for the two periods, I found there is little divergence from the straight line passing through the origin and with slope unity. R-squared is 99.5. In a branch of science not perverted by ideology this would indicate no significant climatic difference between the two periods, before and after fossil fuels began their modern rate of ascent.
References:
Belda, M., Holtanová, E., Halenka, T. and Kalvová, J., 2014. Climate classification revisited: from Köppen to Trewartha. Climate research, 59(1), pp.1-13.
Paper: http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr_oa/c059p001.pdf

Reply to  Tom Trevor
May 14, 2016 12:59 am

“…But it is worse than that. it is an indisputable fact that no one knows what damage, if any, will be caused be CO2 in 50 to 100 years or more. There is no data at all from the future to prove or disprove the models…”

There is an immense amount of data from the past that CO2 levels could rise to many times their current levels without harm to Earth and it’s life.
Every alarmist claim about alleged dangers of CO2 is sophistry. Zero evidence. Zero experimentation. Zero experience. Zero knowledge. Zero proper research.
Instead the alarmists took what they considered the worst environments on Earth, then they constructed elaborate disaster scenarios; all based on limited but vivid imaginations. Their future projections are rife with weasel waffle words.
Green house growers use CO2 well over 1000ppm without harm to plants or workers.
The tobacco case was/is far over reaching in ramifications, regulations and citizen burdens. The question is how to reach fair’s fair?
Twenty years ago, I despised cigarette smoke and most cheap cigars. Their secondhand smoke was irritating and left horrible odors on my suits and clothes; requiring prompt cleaning as I hate smelling like old ashtrays.
It wasn’t hard to notice that quality cigars and most pipe smokers left the air fragrant and residual smells were not as offensive.
Other than that, I really don’t care if people smoke. That is their choice and life. All I want is fresh air and clean surfaces so food and drink tastes good and my clothes don’t stink. Proper ventilation systems actually take care of most of those issues without difficulty. Even on airplanes, smoking should not be intrusive if the air is cleaned and recycled properly.
First they required smokers to smoke in separate areas.
Then they banned smokers to the outdoors.
Now they’re forcing smokers to smoke away from buildings.
Overreach is one word for it…

PiperPaul
Reply to  ATheoK
May 14, 2016 4:13 am

First they required smokers to smoke in separate areas.
Then they banned smokers to the outdoors.
Now they’re forcing smokers to smoke away from buildings.

It’s always open season on smokers, they are a handy whipping boy.

TA
Reply to  Tom Trevor
May 14, 2016 6:31 am

Tom Trevor, May 13, 2016 at 5:49 pm: “The whole thing is a matter of opinion. In the US, because of the first amendment everyone is, or should [be] entitled to their opinion, it should matter not if their opinion is right, wrong, or indifferent. It should not matter if their opinion is shared by 99.99% of people or 0.0000000001% of people. The first amendment protects all speech. In this case the government is trying to criminalize speech.”
That’s exactly what they are doing, trying to criminalize speech. The First Amendment will be what decides this case, not climate theory.

SAMURAI
May 13, 2016 6:20 pm

Leftists have already proven they’re above the law as clearly shown in the Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton FOIA/e-mail scandals.
Any incriminating e-mails of CEI’s FOIA request will simply be: “lost”, “automatically purged from system as per IT protocols”, “determined to be of “personal” nature and deleted, lost due to “hard disc crash”, “misplaced”, “currently missing”, etc.
Tyranny is the capricious application/interpretation of law, used as a tool to obtain tyrannical agendas…

Felflames
Reply to  SAMURAI
May 13, 2016 9:18 pm

You might be suprised just how easy “lost” data can be retrieved if there is the will to do so.

SAMURAI
Reply to  Felflames
May 13, 2016 11:54 pm

My son is an IT manager for one of the world’s largest banks.
He explained to me the near impossibility to remove all e-mail records once they’ve been sent through numerous servers and to various people.
He also said from what he’s read, it’s almost certain Hillary’s e-mail server was hacked from the start, so a number of our friends and enemies have copies of ALL of Hillary’s e-mails from day one, (both her “work” and “private”)…

JohnWho
Reply to  Felflames
May 14, 2016 6:13 am

“They” may have the emails, Samurai, but “we, the people” don’t have access to them.

Mark Takatz
Reply to  Felflames
May 14, 2016 6:55 am

Apparently the Russians are trying to decide whether or not to release them

Mark Takatz
Reply to  Felflames
May 14, 2016 6:57 am

Apparently the Russians are trying to decide whether or not to release them.

Marcus
Reply to  Felflames
May 14, 2016 11:09 am

..Mark Takatz, I read that also, but only on FOX News !

May 13, 2016 6:53 pm

This is serious business, but I had to smile at this speech to text transcription, “…by text pair funded academics, lawn force meant officials..”
Shows what happens when the user does not take the time to train the software adequately.

Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
May 13, 2016 7:12 pm

Nuance warns users of their Dragon software that poor speech-to-text transcription can be caused by the crappy microphones in most headsets, tablets, phones and laptops.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
May 13, 2016 8:26 pm

Not the software, Shure [sic], the microphones.

Nigel S
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
May 14, 2016 2:10 am

lawn force meant officials ended up with midnight’s broken toe after sundown’s finish.

KevinK
May 13, 2016 7:09 pm

Jeeze Louise… These “professors” seem to think they are reenacting the famous letter from Albert Einstein advising FDR about the possibility of a practical “atom bomb”….
Just a wee bit full of themselves aren’t they… They cannot, after decades of taxpayer dollars to “play” with, convince the “jury” that CO2 is “guilty as charged” so they have to resort to letters to the POTUS….
Sad really that all these folks can’t find something more useful to do with their careers, heck there are so many real problems to solve (poverty, lack of reliable energy for sub-Saharan Africa, clean water, etc., etc.). Heck, a big portion of the world still does not have flush toilets and all the health benefits they provide.
I think these sorry folks could contribute more to the betterment of the human condition by volunteering to dig latrines in Africa instead of writing silly letters asking someone with more power then them to prosecute folks that won’t buy into their religion.
Best part of the e-mail exchange so far is the “ring leader” complaining about “inequality”… This from a person that double dipped (and maybe even tripled dipped) at the “taxpayer buffet” and had the nerve to send some of his ill gotten gains back to India which everybody knows is one of the worlds biggest “carbon polluters”….
If any of the authors of these sorry displays of “intelligence” embodied in these e-mails read this comment you should be ashamed of yourselves….
Cheers, KevinK.

Alec aka Daffy Duck
May 13, 2016 7:31 pm

As a Mason graduate who like only 1 mile from Mason, I hope someone sends it to the school newspaper… It’s a real story for them:
http://studentmedia.gmu.edu/media_groups/broadside.html

Bob
May 13, 2016 7:42 pm

“The full court document: GMU-FOIA-Orders (PDF)” – link seems to be broken, it errors with “… The webpage at https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/gmu-foia-orders.pdf might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address….”

Claude Harvey
May 13, 2016 8:13 pm

I think the most telling revelation in the sample E-mails was J. Skula’s lament tying climate change to the larger “…issues of inequality and social justice”. There, in a nutshell, resides the key to understanding why the political left has found AGW theory so emotionally attractive. AGW is the perfect political tool for one-world-socialists who have tied their entire system of logic to the demonstrably false, bedrock assumption that economic inequality and social injustice are the root causes of every ill known to mankind. It provides a vehicle for their “end justifies the means” drive to substitute international mechanisms of wealth redistribution and social justice enforcement in the place of local and national mechanisms and enforcement systems historically in place.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Claude Harvey
May 14, 2016 4:15 am

+97

David Smith
Reply to  Claude Harvey
May 14, 2016 5:15 am

+1000
Spot on.

R. Shearer
Reply to  Claude Harvey
May 14, 2016 5:59 am

Supporting social justice apparently allows for Shukla to violate state and federal laws, collecting funds from multiple tax funded sources for the same work, while enriching his wife, blood family and friends. It appears that all involved in his climate institute did the same thing.

May 13, 2016 8:20 pm

And all Mosher’s posturing about conspiracy paranoia, as if it weren’t substantiated enough by climategate…
Yet it is a fools conspiracy. To ever believe as publicly funded workers and public servants the truth would not be known? Dumb.
To ever believe that a public agency can simply rewrite temperature history without reconciliation. Dumb.
To borrow a phrase from Leif, at some point dumb just becomes offensive.

Mike
May 13, 2016 9:51 pm

Scientists want to get on and do their work. They don’t want to deal with nutters.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Mike
May 13, 2016 10:37 pm

Scientist should stick to their knitting, i.e. the evidence-based scientific method, and stay out of politics.

Mike
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2016 11:03 pm

Exactly. Government policy concerning the environment or health shouldn’t be based on a scientific consensus. If only they’d listen to the geniuses at WUWT.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 2:18 am

Mike

Exactly. Government policy concerning the environment or health shouldn’t be based on a scientific consensus. If only they’d listen to the geniuses at WUWT.

Should the government listen then only to its government-paid, self-selected, government-funded and government-granted “scientists” ? How many government-paid so-called “scientists” can you buy for 92 billion in research grants and CAGW funding, in return for “research” that generates 31 trillion in carbon-trading schemes and 1.3 trillion in new taxes to be distributed by government politicians and bureaucrats? You know, those same government-paid, self-interested, self-promoting bureaucrats funding the self-selected “scientists” ?

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2016 11:50 pm

None of the signatories can claim to be experts on health and the environment.
What are the health and environmental risks of the atmospheric concentrations of CO2?
Whatever the risks, if any, the benefits of fossil fuel use over the past 150 years are incalculable but, as with smoking cigarettes, no-one is forced to use them.
But they do, even those who campaign against the fossil fuel industries use them, usually far more than your average consumer.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 14, 2016 7:04 am

Mike, you mean like the dietary guidelines that created the obesity/diabetes epidemic?

philincalifornia
May 13, 2016 11:32 pm

“scientific consensus”
The most expensive oxymoron in human history. Well done Mike, for reminding us of this.
…. got any data BTW, you know ….. that CO2 going from 280 ppm to 400 ppm has had any measurable effect on any global climate parameter (after 40 years of bullish!tting)?
Your next post will contain none says this genius at WUWT.

Mike
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 14, 2016 12:00 am

Clearly a genius. A one degree of surface level temperature increase averaged across the globe across all the year, melting arctic ice, most glaciers retreating, tree lines going up, increases in sea level, increases in sea temperature, an increase in the recorded satellite temperature, a whole lotta ice cores and … grade school physics. Yep no evidence at all.
Who you going to listen to, an overwhelming majority of people who’ve been properly trained and studied this stuff all their life, or a failed weather man and a bunch of libertarian nutters, most without a Science degree let alone a PhD behind them, who rant about government control, paying tax and conspiracies?
Clearly genius.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 12:12 am

Flattery will get you nowhere, but don’t let that stop you.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 12:33 am

i hope you stick around, mike… it’ll be loads of fun watching folks rip your [pruned]

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 1:35 am

meaningless junk.
Such text is spewed by people who know nothing of climate science.
And Mike, PhDs can be idiots like everyone else.
What “evidence” are you talking about, you mention temperature increases ice cores ect, tell me how any of these support the core assumptions of AGW and you might as well tell me which core assumptions have already been falsified.
All the stuff you mentioned is not evidence, it cannot be, will I explain to you poor old chap? Anything that can be explained by two different explanations cannot be considered explicit evidence for one hypothesis.
Ice cores showed us CO2 is led by temperature btw and they also show Greenland heating up 8c in 30 years before man made CO2. That is fail for a start.

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 1:38 am

afonzarelli
May 14, 2016 at 12:33 am
i hope you stick around, mike… it’ll be loads of fun watching folks rip your stupid a**
Pretty much lol, he has rehashed all of the warmer arguments that have been laughed at for some time now.
Note not one jot of any actual argument in his post, just rambling about “things”, nothing specific, because he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
reminds me of Mosher, that is clueless too
These trolls cherry pick what they reply to, for fear of being exposed for the idiots they are.. too late, we know 😀

Henry Galt
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 1:49 am

Mike, Mike, Mike. You have not quite grasped this issue have you?
Evidence for warming is NOT evidence that we did it by setting fire to stuff.
If there were ANY evidence the first paper to publish it would become the most cited literature in, well, the literature. Overnight.
Feel free to continue ‘believing’ the rent seeking, mendacious and greedy once respected institutions and their minions though. Whatever makes you ‘feel’ better. Not for you replicable, falsifiable hypotheses, oh, no. Much better to follow a hunch.
Good little citizen. Have a bone.

Dennis Horne
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 2:04 am

Damn it man this is no place for SCIENCE!

Mike
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 2:18 am

Wow- you really handed my ass to me. Especially that well informed comment about CO2 increases following temperature increases. Shows you understand the literature really well.
Love winding up middle aged male climate contrarians. They’re as stupid as antivaxxers and Trump supporters.

Reply to  Mike
May 15, 2016 10:58 am

‘Mike’,
I challenge you to produce verifiable data showing that changes in CO2 are the cause of subsequent changes in temperature.
I can easily show the opposite: that changes in CO2 are caused by changes in temperature.
The ball’s in your court, mikey…

ClimateOtter
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 2:41 am

Yeah mikey, mann, gleick, attp, Hansen et al tend to get wound up pretty quick. Meanwhile the climate keeps doing what it has been doing for a billion years.

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 3:55 am

Mike
May 14, 2016 at 2:18 am
Wow- you really [pruned] to me
http://i.imgur.com/cdeZMm0.png
[Watch your language, please. It isn’t needed to make your points here. .mod]

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 8:20 am

Anthony Watts
That post was quoted, it was not my words, you missed the post it quoted btw 😉
I dont post like that, obviously, if one reads my posts!

bit chilly
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 2:06 pm

yet another clown that apparently has very little knowledge of past climate . would be interesting to know mikes explanation for origin of historical remnants of past forests and human artefacts emerging from ice and snow fields in recent times.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Mike
May 15, 2016 12:22 am

Mark, what i meant here is that i hope mike sticks around for a long while here at wuwt (as opposed to being “troll for a day”). The agw crowd can’t even come close to competing in the realm of ideas; the theory being filled with many a hole large enough to drive a hybrid car through. Mike IS an articulate fellow. He’ll make a great ambassador for the skeptic view point once we hand him his (you know whutt) on a platter…

ClimateOtter
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 14, 2016 1:49 am

Hey mikey, explain to us how there is a 3500-year-old tree line MUCH farther north in the Arctic than there is today. How in God’s name did the polar bears survive the temps that allowed That?

ralfellis
Reply to  ClimateOtter
May 14, 2016 2:01 am

Same in Siberia. The Holocene maximum taiga treeline is much further north than the modern treeline, with preserved tree stumps littering the northern tundra.
R

Reply to  ClimateOtter
May 14, 2016 3:58 am

because polar bears are mostly born on land and they spend most of their life swimming, no ice conditions doesn’t hinder them, as long as they can catch food they are fine.
If there is no ice, the seals come to land end of story.

philincalifornia
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 14, 2016 10:34 pm

“Your next post will contain none says this genius at WUWT”
Game set and fkin match then Mike. Sorry for making you look so stupid with one post (i’m not really).
…. Oh and for the record, Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry at age 23, 200 publications in peer-reviewed journals and so on and so forth ….
Whereas you, you idiot, can’t even comprehend that the appeal to authority on here is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

May 13, 2016 11:56 pm

601nan, nothing to laugh about I don’t know how this company got started and who’s money they used but there must be a lot of people that were shammed into buying the stock that now could have lost their pensions.

Reply to  asybot
May 15, 2016 2:22 pm

Yes, laugh at the fools who did not study what they were investing in. Solar power is highly depended on subsidies much like wind power and as such the second the subsidies start dropping the stocks go to zero is really no surprise to most.
Recently California reduced subsidies for home-owners to install solar panels. So to give you a hint on the real world: what happened is that before this was announced all the politically connected removed their money from this field and sold it to suckers.
The suckers hold onto the worthless stock and viola more corruption is bred while the honest remain poor.
This is terrible perhaps, but it’s the system the politicians created so of course it’s going to work well for them. The illusion of a free market is quite real

Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 2:08 am

CO2 is very fussy. It doesn’t cause warming if you don’t believe in it. 😉

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 2:28 am

Continuing to use fossil fuels in daily life while at the same time believing they will lead to catastrophic consequences must really mess with your head, it must be hell in there.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 2:39 am

Oh Lord, denis is a Creationist.

Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 4:00 am

Ironically you believe CO2 starts fires that we then use CO2 to extinguish.
or you believe CO2 causes warming that causes blizzards
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Reply to  Dennis Horne
May 14, 2016 2:10 pm

CO2 is very fussy. It doesn’t cause warming if you don’t believe in it.
D. Horne doesn’t know how accurate his comment is.
In other words: if you believe it causes warming… then it does.
But no one can measure it. Belief can’t be measured.

May 14, 2016 3:09 am

It is difficult to understand how naïve these people are as to world view, particularly Prof Maibach. These people should not be allowed to teach innocents who themselves might become teachers, for fear of propagating further cycles of gross incompetence within university cells inbred and isolated from real life. Nor should Maibach and some of the others ever be heard when important national policy is involved (unless, in case of warfare, one seeks a propaganda creator. \sarc off).
Several times as I have followed this over the months, a big alarm bell has rung, reminding of the urgent need to actually work out what some of academia is trying to accomplish, being supposedly erudite and didactic for the nation, when actually of such narrow outlook that there is danger of misinformation. It is not a matter of politics here, it is a matter of the transfer of ignorance under a false banner of authority and academic knowledge.
It goes beyond the main players here. In a smallish top academic circle like GMU has, those more senior than these players have a written duty to manage them, to ensure that public funds are spent lawfully. In a case like this, the responsible Head, who knows who he is, must tender his resignation – as a gentleman would.
Senior people from the private sector would be justified to simply raise their arms in despair and yell WTF? It is so unbelievable, so disappointing a story, scarcely above what lads do at Scout camps.
Geoff.

co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:17 am

OMG!!!! “Use language that will resonate with conservative values like “accountability.” That pretty much says it all. These people are despicable manipulators of the worst kind. These e-mails should trigger an EEOC investigation as to why there are so few conservatives teaching at our tax payer funded universities. Liberals have clearly not served our Nation well dominating our education system and bullying conservatives out of the system. One nice thing is that the Feds are looking into Hollywood for their hiring practices. Liberals are starting to eat their own.
http://dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/160113_LiberalProfessors2_Johnson.png
Hollywood Studios Targeted by Feds in Gender Bias Investigation
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/13/hollywood-studios-targeted-by-feds-in-gender-bias-investigation.htmlcomment image?w=720

Reply to  co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:43 am

Ed’s think is social marketing. Using media to change people’s behavior. It’s in his resume.
From day one a propaganda campaign (PR campaign) was concocted, it had nothing to do with any actual evidence Exxon might have, they make that clear in the emails “cant prove Exxon caused damage” because obviously you have to prove AGW in court, which unfortunately for them is irrelevant, they from day one wanted to use the RICO actions to lend authority to their propaganda, and give believers something to latch on to when faced with information they cannot process due to cognitive dissonance, ergo they blame oil when they have no answer or are tasked with doing even the most rudimentary research.
People like Ed know this, it’s social engineering

Mike
May 14, 2016 3:21 am

Of course the other way to read the graph is that the USA has lurched rightwards, but intelligent people have remained in the centre/left.

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 3:38 am

Tell that to the Liberal professors who are now terrified of liberal students.
“I’m a liberal professor and my liberal students terrify me”
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid
The left give us wonderful things, like social justice brainwashing, advocacy groups telling us what to do and say, and safe spaces, racial division, division in society, brainwashing kids is even not off limits, like the church “get them while they are young” and dishonest aggressive completely intolerant authoritarian fight against free speech, bad economics and poor education (common core) and a completely dishonest liberal media. (all the high profile college “rape cases” were in fact not true)
Who is responsible for bringing hoards of scumbags (and a minority of genuine refugees) to Europe? Lefties. They are destroying the culture of European countries and dividing society and putting citizens at risk.
yeah the left has a lot to answer for.
You are obviously think like a m0r0n

co2islife
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 3:41 am

Of course the other way to read the graph is that the USA has lurched rightwards, but intelligent people have remained in the centre/left.

Intelligent people have remained “center/left?” Like those Einsteins that offer solutions to our greatest problems like terrorism, the debt, affordable education, quality healthcare? No, the left comes up with genius ideas like open rest rooms and climate change, and it makes heroes out of common thugs killed in the act of committing violent crimes.
https://youtu.be/dJaM8IOev7E

Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 3:44 am

oh and the left gave us fainting couch and 3rd wave feminists who demand anyone that disagrees should be silenced

ClimateOtter
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 3:56 am

I hear that argument used by people who praise mass-murdere Che. FAIL.

Brooks Hurd
Reply to  Mike
May 14, 2016 8:34 am

Mike,
How do you glean anything about the US citizenry from a graph of the politics of university professors over the past quarter century?

co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:24 am

Intimidation by politically active “professors” is nothing new. This documentary has numerous examples of how professors work to silence the debate. Here is one clip.
https://youtu.be/QowL2BiGK7o?t=47m59s

Reply to  co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:51 am

Only lefty loonies think stopping people speaking is a good thing

Reply to  co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:53 am

CO2 Mike is just a catchphrase bot I think. The posts are alarmist cliches. I do wonder if this is not an evolution of the Twitterbot Josh cartooned

Mike
Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 6:30 am

Quite the ranter aren’t you Mark? Bet it’s gonna really irk you when Hillary gets in for the next 8 years as the country takes a big fat lurch to the left. Hell, the way things are going, not only will we win the senate, we might also pick up the house too and a few more states to boot. That plus a supreme court majority, we can look forward to 8 long years of strengthened environmental protections, same-sex marriage, equal pay for women, transgender rights and medicare for one and all. I for one am positively drooling about all the freebies me and my left wing buddies are going to get thanks to your taxes! (I’m of course assuming you have a job). Thanks for helping make it happen! It’s gonna be great!

Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 7:11 am

Speaking of rants. Notice how this all ties together for you?

Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 8:12 am

Mike
May 14, 2016 at 6:30 am
Well lets look at what you said, my commentary after the “-”
“Quite the ranter aren’t you Mark?” – Dont inject your own obvious emotional state into my argument.
“Bet it’s gonna really irk you when Hillary gets in for the next 8 years as the country takes a big fat lurch to the left.” – Again you bring up emotions, this is quite interesting, you are obviously emotionally motivated here.
“Hell, the way things are going, not only will we win the senate, we might also pick up the house too and a few more states to boot. That plus a supreme court majority, we can look forward to 8 long years of strengthened environmental protections, same-sex marriage, equal pay for women, transgender rights and medicare for one and all. I for one am positively drooling about all the freebies me and my left wing buddies are going to get thanks to your taxes! (I’m of course assuming you have a job). Thanks for helping make it happen! It’s gonna be great!” –
First of all ^^ is a rant. Secondly I am not American, and I am not political nor religious. Thirdly, you really dont know anything about the Clinton family do you? If you did you would not be happy. Plus she will guarantee more wars. I fail to see how 300 million of your countrymen and women suffering at the hands of that criminal fills you with glee.
Then you went with “if you have a job” bahahhaha, such emotion, it makes you feel better to think I have no job does it? Again mildly interesting Mike me auld flower.
The best bit about your rant is you make your position clear, it’s ideological, political, and has nothing to do with science
You kind of exposed yourself there, essentially this is the stuff of Shukla’s emails.
You need to get yourself to a leg shop mate, you aint got a leg to stand on

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 9:38 am

Mark May 14, 2016 at 3:53 am
CO2 Mike is just a catchphrase bot I think
Hi Mark, you maybe right, but after looking at all his posts I think he was mainly trying to pull people off topic, and keep them responding to his barbs.
sometimes its best to just ignore such trolls.
michael

AllyKat
Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 12:00 pm

re: Mike 6:30 am:
Same-sex marriage has already been pushed through by the Supreme Court. Women already receive equal pay, that particular myth has been debunked so many times it is embarrassing that anyone still tries to make that claim. How many people do you know who are on Medicare and like it? When you refer to strengthened environmental protections, are you saying that the EPA is going to go after themselves for the Gold King Mine disaster?
Personally, I use the equal pay myth as a litmus test: I do not take anyone who makes that claim seriously, and I distrust anything they say. Either they are so careless that they do not bother checking the accuracy of such statements (and live under a rock) or they are deliberately lying. Neither explanation reflects well on anyone.
Also, I find it sad that you support a woman who is morally guilty of four murders and who laughed about getting a child rapist (who she knew was guilty) acquitted. Accusing the majority of voters of being willing to support such a person is insulting, though sadly it is likely accurate.

Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 12:11 pm

Mike you essentially outed yourself as in ideological nut with your political rant.
I am not American, I am not political and not religious.
Nice to see you are all about the politics tho.. explains much in fact.

Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 12:13 pm

Mike
May 14, 2016 at 6:30 am
Quite the ranter aren’t you Mark? Bet it’s gonna really irk you when Hillary gets in for the next 8 years as the country takes a big fat lurch to the left. Hell, the way things are going, not only will we win the senate, we might also pick up the house too and a few more states to boot. That plus a supreme court majority, we can look forward to 8 long years of strengthened environmental protections, same-sex marriage, equal pay for women, transgender rights and medicare for one and all. I for one am positively drooling about all the freebies me and my left wing buddies are going to get thanks to your taxes! (I’m of course assuming you have a job). Thanks for helping make it happen! It’s gonna be great!
________
And that is choc full of teenage angst, or when you watch a movie and urge the perceived good guy on, with a tear in your eye :p
Are you 15?

philincalifornia
Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 10:42 pm

Mike thinks that if Hillary gets in it will be a lurch to the left. This guy definitely has an IQ bigger than his shoe size.

Telboy
May 14, 2016 3:36 am

Just love that phrase ” lawn force meant officials”

co2islife
May 14, 2016 3:53 am

Shukla is toast. First, Rep Smith confirms the double dipping and violation of GMU moonlighting rules, and refers to the NSF Inspector General for appropriate legal action, which can include incarceration and restitution. Now he’s caught out lying concerning FOIA. The emails will build a prima facie 42USC1985 civil action against all of the RICO 20.

“Accuse Others of What You Are Guilty” Saul Alynski. Their tactics are so classic left win propaganda. It was only a matter of time, and this was such an act of desperation. This “Open Restroom” campaign by Obama has people fleeing the Left like I’ve never seen. Finally people are waking up to what we have in the White House. Coal miners lost their jobs voting for this guy, and all they got was confusion as to what rest room to use, and a really messed up healthcare system whose funding has been found to be unconstitutional.
It was only a matter of time before the Right won this issue. Classic Right Wing Propaganda.
Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee though no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion.

May 14, 2016 3:55 am

Brandon is right that there is a gap.
The statement that GMU said there were no records in 2015 needs backing up.
Where are the documents in which they said this?

co2islife
May 14, 2016 4:07 am

Help may be on its way. Trump knows how to tap into people’s anger, and he knows what is important to conservatives. Best of all, women are horrified by this “open restroom” campaign. Liberals are finally being forced to live by the rules that they promote and it is really waking people up. Up until Obama, everything the liberals did always were directed at conservatives. Now liberals are the targets. Women voted for Obama and now they are being asked told to welcome men into their rest rooms. The Feds are looking into the hiring practices of Hollywood. Obama is a dream come true for Conservatives, just like Jimmy Carter was a dear come true for Reagan.
Trump taps climate change skeptic as energy adviser, pushes back on taxes
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0Y41PM

co2islife
May 14, 2016 4:12 am

So many apolitical people have become political with this issue. Liberal Fathers and Mothers now have to face the fear of teenage boys being allowed into girl’s locker rooms simply because the claim to be identifying themselves with the female gender.
Obama to Public Schools: Allow Transgender Students Access to Bathrooms
The Obama administration today will call on public school districts nationwide to allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity, sources told ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/obama-administration-public-schools-transgender-students-access-bathrooms/story?id=39081956

ECB
Reply to  co2islife
May 14, 2016 7:08 am

As I understand it this was a non issue until some conservatives passed a law making it an issue. Otherwise know as a self goal, just like Shukla.

Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 8:00 am

It’s not a non issue, I dont want a chemically and or surgically neutered mentally ill man in a toilet when my daughter is in there.

blcartwright
Reply to  Mark
May 14, 2016 9:02 am

I’m not so concerned about the guy who is so committed that he’s lost his junk. The problem is the solution the progressives are putting forth, opening the door so wide that anyone can come in. The Charlotte law that the state of NC was responding to protected not only ‘gender identity’ but also ‘gender expression’. Any male, transgendered or not, who expressed himself as a woman had to be allowed to ‘fully enjoy’ the ‘full facilities’ any privately owned public accommodation, which would include not only restrooms but also locker rooms and showers. If I showed up in a dress, I could not be barred from using the women’s facilities. Obama’s public school decree states the only documentation needed is a note from the parents. Schools are barred from asking for any medical records. Again, opens the door for abuse.
The Charlotte law followed other progressive ruling, such as that by the Human Rights Commission of the state of Washington. This was not an issue until the left made it so, causing the right to react to overreach.

Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 8:02 am

If I identify as a woman can I go hang out in women’s toilets? How far do I need to go to be considered as “identifying as a woman”?

Marcus
Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 10:59 am

..You only have say ” You FEEL like a women” today to have access to your daughters bathroom ! Liberalism is a mental disease that must be eradicated !

Paul Courtney
Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 12:04 pm

ECB: To believe that, you have to believe that Obama Admin reg to every public school in US this past week was only started AFTER NC passed a law in March 2016. You believe it only started in March?

Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 12:14 pm

BL, I’d seriously have issues with Bruce jenner sharing a loo with my daughter.

philincalifornia
Reply to  ECB
May 14, 2016 10:48 pm

Mark, Mark, Mark listen closely. This is a phony, phony-socialist BS issue, designed to to draw in Republicans so they can prove how nice they are by letting chicks with dicks p!ss in a lady’s toilet.
Unfortunately, I think that you and the Republicans will fall for this amazingly stupid non-issue, wedge issue AGAIN. How is it possible? Concentrate on the economy, jobs and what normal people do, not what these freak losers can dream up as phony issues.