Readers may remember this Josh classic:
In a December 16th Podcast with “Forecast A podcast about climate science and climate scientists” run by Michael White, Nature’s editor for climate science, Dr. Gavin Schmidt makes a stunning admission while demonstrating his own lack of self awareness when it comes to climate debate. White writes:
We talked extensively about science-government interactions, and some of Gavin’s many Kafkaesque experiences. In the end, attempts at government muzzling and micromanagement of science communication comes across as impractical, appalling, and … a bit comical.
But it’s not all bad. The complete government failure to engage in any sort of response and discussion of climate-related science fiction like The Day After Tomorrow led Gavin to participate in the RealClimate blog.
Here, courtesy of Tom Nelson, is what is surprising, throwing tree rings under the bus. It’s actually closer to 59:00 when he says this.
Yes, he’s right. Mann’s questionable work pretty much amounts to nothing, as we’ve been saying for years. A political tool is all it ever was, one that no longer has much clout.
Gavin thinks it is “quite likely” that seas will rise 1 meter or more by 2100 at about 31:20
Then there’s Schmidt’s statement: “I do try and advocate for a higher level of conversation”. Dr. Schmidt seems to forget that when given the opportunity he advocates for, he took the cowardly approach and refused to be on-set with Dr. Roy Spencer.
So much for high level discourse.
You can listen to the podcast below:
A better version
Gavin Schmidt — I Got The Data In Me
(most sorry Kiki Dee)
I got no troubles at NASA
I’m a rocket nothing can stop
Survival’s always the first law
And I’m in with those at the top
I heat up
I cool down
A site I don’t like I discard it
The high and the mighty can frown
So say what they want they reward it
Man is the measure
Of all things that be
Post Normal Science
Needs my compliance
And I got the data in me
I work in the mists and the fogs
by methods that none can review
To hide like a fox from the dogs
The premise of all that I do
The thermometers all want skilling
If their readings are not alarming
As the early ones all need chilling
So the later ones all need warming
Man is the measure
Of all things that be
Protagoras said
What to Nietzsche led
And I got the data in me
The truth’s a consensus of thought
We agree to agree about
A joy for so long we have sought
Our minds ever free of all doubt
We are born uncertain of heart
And live in fear of things unknown
Consensus is truly the start
Of our souls becoming our own
Man is the measure
Of all things that be
To Socialist drums
The Superman comes!
And I got the data in me
I heat up
I cool down
A site I don’t like I discard it
The high and the mighty can frown
So say what they want they reward it
Eugene WR Gallun
Applause! 9+
Third stanza change
Man is the measure
Of all things that be
Post Normal Science
Newspeak compliance
And I got the data in me
An even better third stanza change
Man is the measure
Of all things that be
In perfect compliance
Is Post Normal Science
And I got the data in me
So Mann throws Karl under a bus and Schmidt throws man under a bus.
When the food runs out rats start to eat each other
*Throws Mann under a bus, oh mannn! 😀
Given the audits over the past number of years surely even Schmidt cannot deny, if even only to himself, that the proxy reconstruction had more holes in it than a square km block of Emmental cheese, and knew of it’s sordid process that it evolved in.
But then again, Gav is pretty arrogant, and it would not be unlike him to let his disdain for others’ research slip out now and then, he pished on everyone who’s done a reconstruction with tree rings, not just Mann.
He also pished on former greats of science, might have some sort of superiority complex.
Yes, indeed. To wake up once and discover that you have metamorphosed into a cockroach may be regarded as a misfortune. To do it several times looks like carelessness.
Re: Funny Friday
Three days ago I posted a link to a short sketch by two well known British comedians as a parody on my ‘conversations’ with Dr. S’s.
As the faith would have it, one of them (the dimwit) died today, I hope for sake of my family it isn’t some kind of a bad omen.
Ronny C was among the best, and as a tribute to his talent I hope you would spare couple of minutes and have a good laugh. You can find it here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/26/but-is-it-true-the-research-of-aaron-wildavsky-twenty-years-later/#comment-2176353
Ronnie Corbett was great. I met him a couple of times many years ago. A lovely and very talented man.
RIP Ronnie.
Let’s see .. George Washington cut down an 18th century cherry tree.
What would be different Gavin asks?
http://www.realclimate.org/images/N-Scan.jpg
VS
http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/2000-years-of-global-temperature.jpg
For those of you with 20:2,000 vision, I assure you that there is a big difference in the two temperature reconstructions.
Or is Gavin suggesting that even the hockey stick reconstruction is erroneous given the data it is based on? That may be a correct assertion.
Would you like to give us the attributions for those graphs?
Toneb
Click.On.Them.
So, how do they compare ?
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SvS.gif
It strikes me that they are trying to step away from their weak claims, a bit like when they tried saying that global warming had nothing to do with temperature (sorry, I don’t have the link right to hand). I think it’s a case of “This is all so important, facts don’t mater. Forget about the tree rings, they don’t matter.”
The way I see it, Gavin’s not stepping away from anything except maybe association.
Typo – “mater” = “matter”. Apologies.
I wonder when Mann is going to sue Gavin for defamation ala Mark Steyn.
Tree rings are very useful for telling us how old it is. We can even overlap the rings of long-dead trees to get the dates, right to the year, for buried log houses in swamps and such like. Very useful.
Lest we forget, here is Gavin not engaging in a higher level of conversation:
Gavin believes the climate models, and if the tree rings are controversial, noisy, or shady, they can be tossed. He is equally ready to toss the satellite data. Interesting that he misses the fact that something is needed to test his beloved models outside of the calibration period. Something, oh, like tree ring data.
Gavin is a mathematician, to balance his global warming models equations he only needs couple of fudge factors.
The new line is a profound surrender and a lie: The hockey stick was wrong but harmless.
Let me count the harms, and the cures.
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