Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Environmental activists have suggested the brutal terror attack in Paris has improved the chances of getting a climate deal at the COP 21 meeting.
… Craig Bennett, chief executive of Friends of the Earth in the UK, hoped that countries would be more willing to come to a deal, but that he feared this pressure might lead to a weaker accord.
“They will want to give Hollande a deal at the end of the day. But the deal may not be as good as it might have been. Countries turning up in Paris will be reluctant for Paris to be seen as a failure, but we have a deal on the table that is not enough – we would have liked to see a stronger deal, and maybe we are less likely to get that now.”
Nick Mabey, chief executive at the environmental lobby group E3G, said the terrorist attacks would “not have a huge impact on the outcome, but they will have a huge impact on the tone”.
Previous rounds of negotiations from the Copenhagen conference in 2009 – when the talks dissolved into chaos and public recrimination – have been marked by emotional outpourings, threats and public displays unusual in other forms of diplomacy. This year, such shows would be less welcome, said Nick Mabey, chief executive at the environmental lobby group E3G. “The tone will be more serious, and less festive. Activists will have to find more creative ways to show the world the impact of climate change. There will be less grandstanding, and more focus.”
He said the attacks on France would give Hollande more “moral authority”, and that delegates would feel a greater duty to show “the ability of people to cooperate and bring peace and work together. That is the core message, and it’s really important that this message gets through.” …
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/22/cop21-climate-change-deal-barack-obama-paris-attacks
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If the world is incapable of initiating concerted and coordinated immediate action against barbaric terrorists, what on earth makes anyone think that a climate deal will be forthcoming.
A lot of carefully worded positive hot air is a far more likely as an outcome, with any “commitments” promptly and quietly dropped.
Surprise, surprise, Pwince UpChuck blames global warming for Syria. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/23/prince-charles-climate-change-may-have-helped-cause-syrian-civil-war Apparently this is not the first time either. The one upside to this is that if he suffered the same fate as Charles I of Britain, the head would contain nothing and so he might survive.
130 people have just been murdered and these zealots are only concerned about how it’ll affect their juvenile dreams of world dominion.
good lord….
In all likelihood the triumphant press release, pronouncing the huge success of the Paris conference, has already been written. A few adjustments may be made at the close of the conference, but in the “climate change” alarmist world, press releases have always been more important than reality. I was tickled by the idea of sponsoring a little competition to see who among WUWT readers could come up with the best 600-word PR, ahead of the conference, which would most closely mimic what is distributed at the close. My grandchildren said I had better things to do; they’re right!
I doubt the terror attacks will have a positive effect upon conference outcomes. It is hard to get people to commit to a perceived danger that may or may not happen at some time in the future, when there is a very real and present danger that is happening before us in the here and now.
Agree.
While Hollande will get the sympathy vote from the world, remember Russia also lost over 200 of its civilians to the ISIS aircraft bomb over the Sinai. And Russia doesn’t really support the lunacy of Carbon emission caps in the face of its need to produce and sell oil and gas to the world because India and China effectively have no carbon caps. Without real near-term caps on China, everyone elses willingness to cap/cut emissions are lost in India’s and China’s huge emission growth uncertainties.
What the Paris attacks and the Russian civilian aircraft bombing does do is make further mockery of the claim that “Climate Change” is the worldbiggest threat. No one buys its any more.
Other countries have told President Obama point blank, “don’t show up empty handed, we’re tired of your promises”. The US congress has said the UN Green Climate Fund will receive no money from the United States. I would say this puts a pretty big damper on the chances of a climate change deal.
Past is prologue, so it will come as no surprise when Obama produces a COP21 agreement which would obligate the US to vast amounts of spending, as well as new measures which suppress the US citizenry and economy. Obama will use a tangled web of legal maneuverings, as he tries to sidestep both Congress and the Constitution, in order to reach his COP21 goal.
In reality COP21 is of so minor concern to most governments that it would not surprise me if the whole show was canceled because of the perceived danger to such major get-together of heads of governments. That would be the biggest fizzer imaginable – and what a laugh.
Except for the concern of the 150 countries that stand to get the big handout. They’ll agree. Thank God it isn’t a democratic vote!
Fortunately no ordinary people read The Guardian
Neither does anybody else much if their falling circulation and losses are anything to go by.
Ralph Kramden, you are correct.They will, however, “announce” a deal has been struck.
But the Senate Republicans sent a letter to Obama warning him to be honest with other nation’s in the agreement provide US dollar billions can only happen if he gets Congress to agree to any deal. And since he has said he will not submit any agreement to Congress, via Senate ratification, there will be no US dollars forthcoming for the climate scam aid fund.
Sorry Joel, after downloading the TPP PDF and searching for Climate/CO2/Environment related things, seems to me Obama gets to enforce any Agreement made in Paris as well as ALL CO2 related EPA regulations on every state in the nation or the US will be potentially sending BILLIONS in fines/damages if a 2/3 vote of a 3 person Climate panel decides the US is NOT strictly enforcing ALL of its agreed too CO2 promises. So if TPP passes, Obama has his funding mechanism. In addition, the language in the TPP also says the panel has the power to VETO any changes to our EPA laws simply by declaring it gives us an unfair trading advantage. So if TPP passes, good luck with NOT funding this nonsense.
Alcheson:
Well, then that panel should already be demanding fines since Congress refused to fund the previous promises of Billions of dollars.
The House of Representatives are where all funds are allocated from. If they will not approve budget, it does not get paid.
So Kerry and whoever shows up in gay Paree and promises more money he can not provide? What poor fool would believe him?
Or even believe that Obama’s fantasy pen will override Congress and force the United States into a CAGW deal?
Obama may think he has the time to pull it off with his one year in office, but that action will receive an immediate lawsuit and most likely an injunction. Soon followed by impeachment proceedings for directly defying the Constitution and his Oath of Office.
Alcheson
Sorry Congress would have to vote the penalty funds and since the US senate did not sign on the dotted line any agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. The Europeans well remember the League of Nations.
michael
Alcheson:
What is this tpp paper trail you are referring to?
The stuff Obama brought back before was refused by Congress; explicitly, the Senate refused to consider any climate treaty or UN treaty.
Without the Senate voting for an international treaty, there is no treaty! Some odd committee demanding funds may just be an act of aggression.
Excuse me while i turn my head and barf — Eugene WR Gallun
You are excused and also commended for such a viscerally violent reaction to all this crap
Take 1 tbsp of powdered activated carbon in a glass of orange juice. It will settle your stomach and absorb bio toxins. Carbon is the very meaning of “organic” and it can heal. GK
Moral authority from a weapon provider to Al Nusra 2012 dixit Fabius… Yeah right.
So is the the environmental activists’s corollary: By causing an international climate deal, the Paris terrorists saved the world at the very last opportunity?
“Activists will have to find more CREATIVE ways to show the world the impact of climate change.”
‘Nuff said.
A new way of lying perhaps?
Note that the weather forecast for the Conference in Paris is max 7 degs min 2 degs most days. Chilly, but no snow yet. Tchah
The center of North America just got buried as did northern China. Europe will probably catch it in a week to ten days.
Like last year everyone gets a turn.
michael
So Greenpeace, Sierra Club and the UN ARE funding ISIS.
Guess to Ban Ki Moon, 130 dead are just, “giblets and gravy” in a days work.
I don’t doubt the greens are correct on this one. Western guilt over everything these days is the single thing that drives the far left and their climate fanatics.
Right out of the leftist Book of Rahm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk
Slightly OT, but very much related…
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CO2elec.png
CO2 Emissions from the U.S. Electrical Power Sector, 1993 to 2015 (est.)
Thanks to shale gas, CO2 emissions from electricity generation will be lowest this year since 1994.
Given that U.S. Gasoline sales have been hovering between a half to a third of their historic levels
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=A103600001&f=M
it seems entirely clear that we have already done nearly as much as the rest of the planet put together to reduce CO2 emissions and as a consequence should feel no need to be ponying up money we would need to borrow (aka divert from more productive uses) to enrich kleptocrats in third world pestholes, enviro NGOs, and UN bureaucrats.
Source data for the graph above
http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec12_9.pdf
Commenter ‘H.R.’ has given a likely outcome of COP21. I think that is what will happen at COP21 in Paris this December. There will be no deal, but they will resolve to endeavor to persevere to get a climate change deal sometime in the future. With a grave promise to do whatever it takes to get a deal next year or the year after or the year after that or . . . .
John
The article reads like a petulant child demanding everyone pay attention to them.
“.Nevermind those dead guys, their grieving families.. I am more important”.
Fools and bandits all, of the Cult of Calamitous Climate.
Of course what should we expect?
There is no low to which these people will not sink, whatever ethical lapse we imagine,lying, manufacturing evidence, abuse like the10-10 Video or Suzuki’s “Send me money or Santa gets it , Kiddies”, these Alarmed Ones will sink lower.
Kleptocracy is the logical result of modern Liberalism,a progressive disease.
Living large on the backs of others efforts,believing their superiority is proven by their success at being elite parasites.
Me thinks the cost of our government now massively exceeds the financial rewards of civilization.
Tribalism is resurgent.
The UN IPCC is a poster child for bureaucrats run amuck.
Openly advertising their distain for all conventions,laws and standards upon which our civilization is built.
And now bragging about their superiority over mere (now dead) french citizens, the meeting must go on or the terrorists have won.
I keep wondering which terrorists?
The Ones who worship the Desert Pedophile or the Ones who worship their Doomed Environmental Anthropological Delusion?
Everything is possible in planet GIGO.
In the meanwhile on Earth, in Paris and Brussels to be more exact, respectable international events have been cancelled recently.
Craig Bennett says; “Countries turning up in Paris will be reluctant for Paris to be seen as a failure …”
I say; No Countries will “turn up” in Paris, only some obedient representatives of the most powerful people in each Country . . Just like what turns up at the UN. The very notion that such gatherings are a coming together of the people of the world is to me utterly naive, and otherwise intelligent people ought to wise up, I say, and stop imitating this blatantly deceptive way of speaking.
The terrorists, or someone posing as terrorists, will attack the conference. The terrorists will all be killed and have backgrounds that are difficult to trace. There will be some casualties among the attendees, but nobody important. Maybe someone like Al Gore, who is a terrible crusader but would make an excellent martyr!
Suddenly, the Paris leeches will be transformed into victims, receiving a great outpouring of sympathy from the global population. More importantly, action on ‘climate change’ will be seen as something that the terrorists are trying to stop, making it all the more important to oppose the terrorists by passing a sweeping climate agreement.
Those wishing to destroy the West will never be able to do it by force of arms, and they know that. The could, however, destroy us by getting us to commit energy and economic suicide through manipulation of our fears.
If I was an Islamic terrorist, I would attack the Paris Climate Conference. And if I was a climate change nut, I would let them, or even do it pretending to be them. Otherwise…they (both groups) have little chance of getting what they want.