Claim: Americans will have to settle for less, to defeat climate change

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Atlantic wants people to view climate change as a wartime situation. They demand Americans accept a lower standard of living, to defeat Global Warming.

According to The Atlantic;

Why Solving Climate Change Will Be Like Mobilizing for War

… Assuming we do manage to significantly accelerate deployment without cancerous levels of corporatist corruption, if emissions targets still remain out of reach, some growth must be temporarily sacrificed. At the same time, investment across the portfolio of energy technologies will need to continue.

In other words, we are contemplating the sorts of austerities associated with wartime economies. For ordinary Americans, austerities might include an end to expansive suburban lifestyles and budget air travel, and an accelerated return to high-density urban living and train travel. For businesses, this might mean rethinking entire supply chains, as high-emissions sectors become unviable under new emissions regimes.

What Gates and others are advocating for is not so much a technological revolution as a technocratic one. One for which there is no successful peacetime precedent. Which is not to say, of course, that it cannot work. There is always a first time for every new level of complexity and scale in human cooperation. But it’s sobering to look back at the (partial) precedents we do have. …

Read more: http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/why-only-a-technocratic-revolution-can-win-the-climate-change-war/410377/

I must say, given repeated claims that subsidising green energy will stimulate the economy, it seems peculiar that greens also believe people should adopt a wartime austerity mentality, and brace themselves for a lower standard of living. Perhaps the economic stimulus will be delivered in the form of more green air miles, and an increase in the number of climate conferences.

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Soldier
October 15, 2015 11:09 pm

Is this the same Gates that made billions out of Microsoft?
I would have thought he had more smarts than to fall for the global warming fanaticism.

Knute
Reply to  Soldier
October 16, 2015 6:25 am

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25600
Mr G is a major mover and shaker in CAGW. He was/is also one of the nuclear power advocates but got bodyslammed after fukushima. Mr G is a true believer that computing power is a big part of the solution.

Reply to  Soldier
October 18, 2015 3:09 am

Well, he got there by accident.

David Cage
October 16, 2015 12:44 am

I would settle for the measures if those who advocate them had lived at that level for ten years to demonstrate the viability first. In the mean time perhaps they could start paying their fair share of taxation instead of using loopholes to get taxation on multi million pound incomes that are lower percentage tax rate than the bottom ten percent workers pay on average.

KLohrn
October 16, 2015 12:52 am

Alot of this has to do with capping the market where its at and closing the door to any new technology companies being able to compete with existing vested ones. They want their devils due back out of where it was placed.
Sonny Bono lifetime patent laws on everything that moves funny or different. What a great way to stifle things further and produce less real beneficial technologies.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 16, 2015 4:00 am

A war with an imaginary enemy. Where have I read about that before?

Editor
October 16, 2015 7:00 am

The article being spoken of here is “Why Solving Climate Change Will Be Like Mobilizing for War”. It is written by Venkatesh Rao (a writer based in Seattle and the founder of Ribbon Farm).
To say

The Atlantic wants people to view climate change as a wartime situation.

misrepresents the piece as the opinion of the editorial board of The Atlantic.
It is not.
The article contains the opinions of the author, Mr. Rao. His blog, Ribbon Farm, has a subtitle “Experiments in refactored perceptions” which he explains “is a geek joke. It refers to changing how you see the world by trying to rewire the software inside your head through writing.”
The phrasing like “The Atlantic wants people to view…” is often used in propagandistic reporting on both sides of all political and scientific wars — its purpose is to extend the statements of a single person to a larger group — as in “Climate Skeptics want you to believe CO2 is not a GHG.” when they are actually referring to a single blog comment from a single, anonymous commenter.
In order to maintain credibility, essay’s here have to be careful of this type of improper broad-brush attribution. Using propaganda techniques to fight perceived propaganda is a bad idea.

Beta Blocker
October 16, 2015 8:38 am

I posted the following commentary on the Atlantic Monthly concerning the Rao article, only to see it blocked by the Atlantic Monthly’s staff within a few minutes of the time it went up:

President Obama has proposed a series of aggressive carbon pollution reduction targets — 28% by 2025, 32% by 2030, and 80% by 2050.
However, the administration’s Clean Power Plan will achieve less than half of the goal targeted for the year 2025. The only practical way to reduce America’s carbon emissions to the extent needed to achieve the President’s emission reduction targets is to directly constrain the production and consumption of all carbon fuels and to artificially raise the price of all carbon fuels to levels which will make them uncompetitive in the energy marketplace.
By law, the EPA is the lead agency of government charged with determining what pollution reduction measures are appropriate for mitigating the dangers of a pollutant which has been identified through an EPA-published Endangerment Finding as a danger to human health and the environment. The EPA is also responsible for developing and implementing the regulatory framework needed to enforce the necessary pollution abatement actions.
Because the EPA’s 2009 Endangerment Finding for carbon has been successfully defended in the courts, the Executive Branch and the EPA now have full and unquestioned legal authority to regulate carbon emissions to the maximum extent possible under the Clean Air Act, and to do so without needing another word of new legislation from the US Congress to enforce strong anti-carbon measures.
But as it concerns the regulation of America’s carbon emissions, the Obama Administration is not using the EPA nearly to the extent the law not only allows, but also demands, now that an Endangerment Finding for carbon has been published and has been successfully defended in the courts.
The necessary steps towards aggressive decarbonization of America’s economy can be done through an integrated combination of two major anti-carbon measures administered by the EPA. The first measure would be to directly constrain emissions of carbon pollution through a specified series of state, regional, and national emission limits which are determined through the setting of an appropriate Ambient Air Quality Standard (AAQS) for carbon dioxide. The second measure would be to impose a corresponding framework of stiff carbon pollution fines which is the functional equivalent of a legislated carbon tax.
As long as the EPA properly follows its existing and well-tested regulatory rule-making processes and procedures; and as long as the anti-carbon regulations are themselves fair and impartial in their application, then this two-prong regulatory attack on carbon emissions can be made bulletproof against the threat of lawsuits. And so there exists today a clear and unambiguous public policy pathway towards decarbonizing America’s economy, if the EPA were to be given instructions by the Obama Administration to use its full legal authority in pursuit of that goal.

It is clearly apparent the Atlantic Monthly’s staff does not want their readership to know that the EPA and the Obama Administration have not gone nearly as far as the Clean Air Act allows them to go in aggressively regulating America’s carbon emissions.
Whether one believes that CO2 is ‘a dangerous pollutant when present in excessive atmospheric concentrations’ on the one hand, or else it is ‘a substance vital for life on earth’ on the other, it serves the interests of both positions to know that the EPA does in fact have clear legal authority, whether for good or for ill depending on one’s opinions, to push GHG regulation much more aggressively than it is now doing.

Knute
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 16, 2015 3:33 pm

BB
“It is clearly apparent the Atlantic Monthly’s staff does not want their readership to know that the EPA and the Obama Administration have not gone nearly as far as the Clean Air Act allows them to go in aggressively regulating America’s carbon emissions.”
Nice try, maybe they didn’t like your font.
In all seriousness, you are actually getting very close to the Holy Grail of what “they” want. Please realize this effort goes back to the Clinton days, got stalled during the Kyoto bodyslam Bush administration and reinvented under the current administration.
The Democratic administration is very wedded to the class action lawsuit cottage industry. They wed nicely because class actions are normally made up of the voting demographic most likely to support the Dem. The CO2 victory sets up as you described NAAQS (National Ambient Air Quality Standards). If a county fails to meet those NAAQS they lose all kinds of federal funding. Non attainment zones also are honey holes for class action lawsuits. If you live in an area that doesn’t meet those NAAQS you can join a class action lawsuit to sue your county. Recently Supreme Court ruled that if you are a protected class you can sue if a condition creates adverse impact. (Disparate impact … wiki does good
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_Impact … I know your dying to know what a protected class is)
So you have two seemingly unrelated things that come together to increase the Dem power base.
The administration can provide the NAAQS regs. The county can fail them and the class actions can sue. This concept doesn’t end with counties. If you are an industry and fail to meet local CO2 attainment values and there is a community nearby that is exposed to non attainment CO2, they get to sue that industry too.
That is the grand prize.
If Hilary wins she’ll continue to roll with it.
If Trump wins he’ll very likely bodyslam it as well.
It’s kind of a big excuse me, tipping point.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Knute
October 17, 2015 7:06 am

Knute:
if the EPA followed past practice once an Endangerment Finding for an atmospheric pollutant has been published, developing and justifying a National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS) for CO2 would be the next major step in the regulatory rulemaking process for abating America’s carbon emissions.
But it has been five years since the EPA’s 2009 Endangerment Finding was upheld by the US Supreme Court, and the EPA hasn’t published a NAAQS for CO2, nor has there been any indication the EPA is in the process of developing one.
If the environmental activist groups are as committed to reducing America’s GHG emissions as they claim to be, then they should be aggressively suing the EPA to force it to set a NAAQS for CO2 and then to develop and publish a regulatory framework for abating America’s GHG emissions which is consistent with the NAAQS that has been chosen — 350 ppm, 400 ppm, 450, ppm, 500 ppm, whatever the EPA decides the target concentration ought to be..
However, to my knowledge, none of the activist environmental groups has sued the EPA to set a NAAQS for carbon pollution, nor has anyone in the Progressive Left’s nationally prominent leadership demanded that the Obama Administration set a NAAQS.
The burning question here is this …. why hasn’t anyone with national political influence and who also claims to be greatly concerned about America’s carbon emissions put pressure on the Obama Administration to set a NAAQS for carbon?

Knute
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 17, 2015 9:35 am

BB
“The burning question here is this …. why hasn’t anyone with national political influence and who also claims to be greatly concerned about America’s carbon emissions put pressure on the Obama Administration to set a NAAQS for carbon?”
Because they know that a full frontal assault will reveal the prize they seek … massive class action lawsuits against “dirty” industries and noncompliant states/counties. Imagine the backlash that creates.
Okay here’s an example. It’s now common knowledge that the administration decided to have a war on the coal industry. They denied it until they were successful in doing so. Do you think the administration would have won reelection if they were upfront about that ?
Do you think whoever the Dem candidate is would fair well if she represented the party that is going to unleash this wave of lawsuits ?
Fear of backlash prevents them from full rollout, so they take little bites. They establish asthma and cancer claims. Set up satellites to measure CO2. Construct databases to identify disparate impact. Fund snazzy faux graphics. Enlist the pope. On and on.
WUWT has much of the history of the endangerment determination going back pre 2010. Perhaps an article describing the history will help pull it together for the unaware viewer.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Knute
October 17, 2015 10:46 am

Knute, just as a point of information concerning the topic of why the EPA has not set a NAAQS for CO2, I also posed the same question directly to Ventkatesh Rao by attempting to post a similar comment as the one shown above to his October 15th 2015 Ribbonfarm article concerning the Atlantic Monthly piece. That comment was blocked as well, just as one should have expected expected, I guess.

Knute
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 17, 2015 3:21 pm

BB
Yes, I read that in your first post. I figured if you had the presence of mind to do that you’d be open to the reasons why you were rejected by Atlantic.
Unfortunately, while there have some self sacrificng efforts to counter the plan, it hasn’t been able to compete with the slow and steady Dem gameplan. The key to their plan is that they have multiple tactics working at a time. They’ve also done a masterful job of creating additional protected classes.
The GOP is really the bigger disappointment here. They had the power to stop the ruse after the last midterms, but whimped out … pulled their punches. McCain and Romney both pulled punches during their run for the prez as well. They ain’t stooopid and knew what was up.
Besides attorneys are huge lobbyists for themselves. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000065
And so you have the Dems marching onward. The GOP trying to figure out how to salvage some power and money out of the trend without being full sellouts. Scientists (good ones) ostracized. Scientists (poor ones) selling out for funding.
Most people I’ve spoken to in real life are conflicted and they certainly aren’t willing to get crushed by the runaway train.
Even if it gets cold or we need to start burning more fossils, I don’t see the “institutionalized infrastructure” on carbon liability going away anytime soon.

manicbeancounter
October 16, 2015 11:50 am

The claim that the United States, or even all the rich countries can save the planet is a fallacy. In 2010 the USA had 12% of global emissions. If those emissions remain unchanged, then that share will fall to less than 10% by 2030 due to emissions growth in developing countries.
Adding in more rich countries to the emissions reductions will not make much difference. Seven large developing nations* will are forecast to increase their emissions between 2010 and 2030 by more than the entire 13Gt emissions from Australia, Canada, EU, Japan and USA combined.
*China, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Turkey, Mexico and Vietnam.

October 16, 2015 12:22 pm

To compare climate change to war is insane. It so happens that the claim that carbon dioxide is warming up the world is totally wrong. That can be easily proved by the Feynman test. Richard Feynman told us that no matter how beautiful a theory is, if its predictions do not agree with observations it is wrong. And the predictions of the greenhouse theory of global warming simply do not agree with observations. It is not a secret that we are now living through a pause (or hiatus) of warming. It has been going on for the last 18 years now, During this period atmospheric carbon dioxide has been increasing as proven by the Keeling curve, compiled by the Mauna Loa laboratory in Hawaii. At the same time, however, there was no increase of global; air temperature, hence the “pause” designation. Problem with that is that this does not agree with the predictions of the Arrhenius greenhouse theory. That is the theory that IPCC uses to predict our climate, and it has been predicting warming for all these 18 years. This invalidates Arrhenius: it does not meet the Feynman test. The correct greenhouse theory to use is MGT (Miskolczi greenhouse theory), They have known it since 2007 but refused to use it because they did not like its predictions. It predicts what we see: addition of carbon dioxide to air does not cause warming. And that settles it. There is no global warming and manufacturing a “wartime emergency” to fight a non-existent warming is total insanity. Billions have been wasted on that fool’s errand and the flow of that money must be stopped. They get it by putting their hand in my pocket.
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P,S. I posted this on the Atlantic website too

Steve Jones
Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
October 16, 2015 12:31 pm

[Snip. Sockpuppetry. ~mod.]

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Steve Jones
October 16, 2015 3:21 pm

What did he predict the temperature rise would be from 1896 to 2015?
From your own link: “… In his calculation Arrhenius included the feedback from changes in water vapor as well as latitudinal effects, but he omitted clouds, convection of heat upward in the atmosphere, and other essential factors. His work is currently seen less as an accurate prediction of global warming than as the first demonstration that it should be taken as a serious possibility…”
You seem to have very low standards for equating predictions with observations.

October 17, 2015 9:49 am

We’ll have to settle for less to defeat climate change? BS. One of the goals of climate change is to force us to use less so that there’s more for the rest.

Eric
October 18, 2015 2:13 am

“They demand Americans accept a lower standard of living, to defeat Global Warming.”
Well they certainly have the right President to achieve that goal.
I am sure the 94 million Americans out of work are not consuming much.

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