New methane scare off Washington coast begs the question: did anybody look for these before?

I have to wonder, before the scientific world went nuts looking for GHG boogymen under every rock and tree, had anyone observed methane venting in this area before? While they enlisted the help of fishermen now, would anyone bothered to have documented these bubble plumes 50-100 years ago? I think not. They claim “… it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.” yet offer no methodology for how they determined that. I seems to be little more than the opinion of the researcher.

Then there’s the question, is this simply a natural variation that is part of the PDO shift, and the “blob” off the Pacific NW coast is responsible? These are pertinent questions that seem to have been overlooked, and I find this study suspect anyway, because by their own admission, the press release precedes the actual publication of the paper. The October 2015 edition of Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems is not out yet. Science is not supposed to be done to grab headlines ahead of publication. It seems more like COP21 “me too” frenzy than science.

From the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane

Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington
Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington

Warming ocean temperatures a third of a mile below the surface, in a dark ocean in areas with little marine life, might attract scant attention. But this is precisely the depth where frozen pockets of methane ‘ice’ transition from a dormant solid to a powerful greenhouse gas.

New University of Washington research suggests that subsurface warming could be causing more methane gas to bubble up off the Washington and Oregon coast.

The study, to appear in the journal Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems, shows that of 168 bubble plumes observed within the past decade, a disproportionate number were seen at a critical depth for the stability of methane hydrates.

“We see an unusually high number of bubble plumes at the depth where methane hydrate would decompose if seawater has warmed,” said lead author H. Paul Johnson, a UW professor of oceanography. “So it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.”

Methane has contributed to sudden swings in Earth’s climate in the past. It is unknown what role it might contribute to contemporary climate change, although recent studies have reported warming-related methane emissions in Arctic permafrost and off the Atlantic coast.

Of the 168 methane plumes in the new study, some 14 were located at the transition depth – more plumes per unit area than on surrounding parts of the Washington and Oregon seafloor.

If methane bubbles rise all the way to the surface, they enter the atmosphere and act as a powerful greenhouse gas. But most of the deep-sea methane seems to get consumed during the journey up. Marine microbes convert the methane into carbon dioxide, producing lower-oxygen, more-acidic conditions in the deeper offshore water, which eventually wells up along the coast and surges into coastal waterways.

“Current environmental changes in Washington and Oregon are already impacting local biology and fisheries, and these changes would be amplified by the further release of methane,” Johnson said.

Another potential consequence, he said, is the destabilization of seafloor slopes where frozen methane acts as the glue that holds the steep sediment slopes in place.

Methane deposits are abundant on the continental margin of the Pacific Northwest coast. A 2014 study from the UW documented that the ocean in the region is warming at a depth of 500 meters (0.3 miles), by water that formed decades ago in a global warming hotspot off Siberia and then traveled with ocean currents east across the Pacific Ocean. That previous paper calculated that warming at this depth would theoretically destabilize methane deposits on the Cascadia subduction zone, which runs from northern California to Vancouver Island.

At the cold temperatures and high pressures present on the continental margin, methane gas in seafloor sediments forms a crystal lattice structure with water. The resulting icelike solid, called methane hydrate, is unstable and sensitive to changes in temperature. When the ocean warms, the hydrate crystals dissociate and methane gas leaks into the sediment. Some of that gas escapes from the sediment pores as a gas.

The 2014 study calculated that with present ocean warming, such hydrate decomposition could release roughly 0.1 million metric tons of methane per year into the sediments off the Washington coast, about the same amount of methane from the 2010 Deepwater Horizon blowout.

The new study looks for evidence of bubble plumes off the coast, including observations by UW research cruises, earlier scientific studies and local fishermen’s reports. The authors included bubble plumes that rose at least 150 meters (490 feet) tall that clearly originate from the seafloor. The dataset included 45 plumes originally detected by fishing boats, whose modern sonars can detect the bubbles while looking for schools of fish, with their observations later confirmed during UW research cruises.

Results show that methane gas is slowly released at almost all depths along the Washington and Oregon coastal margin. But the plumes are significantly more common at the critical depth of 500 meters, where hydrate would decompose due to seawater warming.

“What we’re seeing is possible confirmation of what we predicted from the water temperatures: Methane hydrate appears to be decomposing and releasing a lot of gas,” Johnson said. “If you look systematically, the location on the margin where you’re getting the largest number of methane plumes per square meter, it is right at that critical depth of 500 meters.”

Still unknown, however, is whether these plumes are really from the dissociation of frozen methane deposits. [bold mine, Anthony]

“The results are consistent with the hypothesis that modern bottom-water warming is causing the limit of methane hydrate stability to move downslope, but it’s not proof that the hydrate is dissociating,” said co-author Evan Solomon, a UW associate professor of oceanography.

Solomon is now analyzing the chemical composition of samples from bubble plumes emitted by sediments along the Washington coast at about 500 meters deep. Results will confirm whether the gas originates from methane hydrates rather than from some other source, such as the passive migration of methane from deeper reservoirs to the seafloor, which causes most of the other bubble plumes on the continental margin.

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Capell
October 14, 2015 10:56 am

For safety we should extract and burn this methane.
While we’re on, what’s all this dangerous water doing around the planet? This stuff is lethal. Just a bucket of the stuff can drown you.

Reply to  Capell
October 14, 2015 7:11 pm

In Santa Barbara, the seeping methane has been captured for the last 3 decades. It goes into the gas distribution system.

Reply to  isthatright
October 14, 2015 11:42 pm

I grew up in SB. I remember in ’64, the big oil spill and a lot of the tar balls are still there from that…Besides the natural seeps. I grew up surfing at the beach, “Haskells”, where a Japanese Submarine surfaced, shelled and blew up an oil facility in 1942. Now, the old oil wells underneath the area, just north of Goleta, are used as Natural Gas storage facilities of the So. Cal. Gas Co. I’ve been working for them, the Southern Calif. Gas Company for 28 years now and don’t think they are injecting “seeping methane” into our transmission or distribution systems. Maybe you can cite that for me if you have access or recall where that info came from. There are a lot of factors that have to be taken into account before a seep can be introduced into a Gas Utility system, such as BTUs, humidity, various other chemicals and gasses, etc., that need to be addressed before introduction. Plus the necessary compression for the seepage to be injected into the system and where it is introduced. Natural gas systems must maintain very strict standards for the product it sells.
Also, a person can find methane “seeping” from any area where biological material has been buried long enough to start decomposing. It is not at all unusual and is very common all over the world. Garbage dumps are huge reservoirs of methane that have, in the last 20 years, began to capture methane for use in some city electrical generation plants…Glendale, Ca. for example

Reply to  isthatright
October 14, 2015 11:51 pm

Also, Washington state sits atop a subduction zone which has a very real potential for gas seepage… Similar to gasses released from volcanic activity above surface. Unless Captain Nemo is available to help us find out just what these releases are from, we may never know. /S

Marcus
October 14, 2015 10:56 am

I didn’t know you could detect Methane bubbles with radar !!!!

TonyL
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 10:59 am

We will give you another chance.

Marcus
Reply to  TonyL
October 14, 2015 11:18 am

Are you saying they can define ” Methane ” bubbles from other bubbles with radar ????

Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 11:59 am

Soar, Marcus.

Reply to  borehead
October 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Sonar! Beggin yer pardon.

Reply to  borehead
October 14, 2015 12:24 pm

Awwww borehead…you ruined my scientific observation of how long it would take Marcus to discover that while sonar and radar are similar principles, they aren’t interchangeable, and he used the wrong one and that fishermen using sonar while they are looking for schools of fish most likely distinguish the difference between “Methane” bubbles and fish bubbles by….um….er…..the LACK of fish accompanying the Methane bubbles.

Reply to  borehead
October 14, 2015 2:03 pm

Lol! Sorry Aphan. Didn’t realize you were waiting for that. I am thrilled to get some response here, though! Thank you. The fishing industry is my wheel house. I love this website, and as hard as I’ve tried in the past to get attention regarding NOAA, our common adversary, it’s been fruitless.
The industry that feeds people is subjected to the same tactics as the climate truthers. We are being eliminated with NOAA pseudo science, and ginned up stock surveys. Its the garbage in-garbage out results.
Make no mistake, its the same people.

Reply to  borehead
October 14, 2015 2:22 pm

borehead
We have a similar, but not analogous problem in the UK – strictly I Sub-Region 4a of the EU.
[Some folk spell that EUSSR, but they’re drama queens]
Our Common Fishery Policy has had very seriously deleterious effects on fish stocks.
The tragedy of the Commons.
If ‘nobody’ owns them, everyone will take their fair share (and a bit), so leading to diminution of return. Even extinction . . . .
Same people?
Same watermelons.
Greenish outside, but Bright Red inside – by my humble observations.
Auto

Reply to  Auto
October 14, 2015 4:32 pm

Green is the new Red.
Privatization of the fisheries is morally wrong.
Why should anyone be deeded rights to the resource?
Why would any one Walmart their fisheries?
Only one answer. Greed.
We call them Catch Shares. Here are a few articles.
Environmental Defense Fund, the Methane Crisis people are behind this lunacy in the US.
http://fisherynation.com/?s=Catch+Shares
Oh yes. The EU has destroyed the UK fisheries using this scheme, while other country’s have used it to steal livelihoods, and award the spoils to the biggest players.

TonyL
October 14, 2015 10:57 am

Time to drill some exploratory wells?
The government would never allow it.

October 14, 2015 10:57 am

we don’t really know natural flows of methane nearly well enough to start making statements about the role of antrhopogenic sources.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2674147

Bill Treuren
October 14, 2015 11:00 am

And when the sea levels were 140M lower during the last ice age did the plumes emit more methane.
In Hawkes Bay New Zealand there are a number of these plumes well know for decades to fisherman as guides to fishing spots.

Reply to  Bill Treuren
October 14, 2015 11:30 pm

Just like CO2 is the gas of life, for all green plants on land, the methane dissolved in seawater acts as nutrients or fertilizer in the Ocean. See the figure explaining links in the marine food-Chain, here:
http://martinhovland.weebly.com/

VicV
October 14, 2015 11:02 am

” ‘… it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years,’ yet offer no methodology for how they determined that. I seems to be little more than the opinion of the researcher.”
The methodology the researcher used to come to that opinion seems rather obvious… pulling something out of the arse that fits the GW narative.

Ken Tarpley
Reply to  VicV
October 14, 2015 3:27 pm

Although methane is not the primary discharge out the arse it is a trace gas that one emits.

Reply to  Ken Tarpley
October 15, 2015 8:34 am

Care to provide the detailed breakdown of the chemical composition of these posterior emissions, Ken?

October 14, 2015 11:06 am

From the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:
Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane

Suggest a scare the bubble plumes did. Guessed the bubble plumes have done. Do some scientific casual analysis based on verified observational evidence is what the bubble plumes must try now.
John

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  John Whitman
October 14, 2015 2:08 pm

Strong with the Wind, the bubble plumes are. Out their “sediment”, the bubble plumes are blowing it.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  John Whitman
October 14, 2015 2:54 pm

Or maybe it’s whale farts…

Reply to  John Whitman
October 14, 2015 5:44 pm

Steamboat McGoo on October 14, 2015 at 2:08 pm
– – – – – –
Steamboat McGoo,
The dangerously bubbly side of the force is strong with the bubble plumes.

Based on a very loose paraphrase of a Yoda quote form Star Wars, I offer this,
“Bubbly plume scares are the path to the dark side of the force. Scares leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

John

Caligula Jones
October 14, 2015 11:09 am

…”most of the deep-sea methane seems to get consumed during the journey up. Marine microbes convert the methane into carbon dioxide, producing lower-oxygen”
So CO2 is plant food, and methane is marine microbe food. There will be more of it, so more plants and more microbes. Which would be good for the things that eat plants and microbes.
Sorry, did I miss the downside again?

Marcus
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 14, 2015 11:21 am

The real climate change deniers are on the left….they think the climate and world has not changed since man lived in caves !!!

KaiserDerden
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 12:06 pm

no, they think its all changed for the worse and ALL because man STOPPED living in caves 🙂

Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 5:36 pm

They live in palaces and think we should be driven back into the caves..

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Marcus
October 15, 2015 6:27 am

Well, that’s always my question to warmists: what do you think the climate should be? They can start with the “global temperature” if they want. I can use the laughs.
As I tell them, climate change means that the climate is changing BACK to a climate we’ve already had, and already survived and did so when (if not necessarily living in caves), living much harder lives than now.
I get the idea that when they say “climate catastrophe”, they mean “might get back cell reception at the place where their $8 latte is now $8.50”. Horrors.

Geraint Lloyd
October 14, 2015 11:15 am

In the 90s this was suggested as a possible explanation for the Bermuda Triangle. There are lots of Methane Hydrates on the shelf slope, that show up as strong / Bottom Simulating Reflectors (BSR) on seismic. Since hydrates exist at low temperature / high pressure, removal of overburden (pressure) by regular submarine slides causes reduction of overburden and hydrates destabilise to free gas. At least that was the theory in the literature when I did an assignment / paper on hydrates as a geological oceanography undergrad in 92.
My point really is that this isn’t a “new thing”.
The Bermuda triangle thing was/is plausible, if a bit left field. Here’s a Journo description from 97
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/science-the-real-power-of-the-deep-1290114.html

Marcus
Reply to  Geraint Lloyd
October 14, 2015 11:24 am

To people on the the right , this means ” Drill baby Drill ” , there’s oil down there !!!

Geraint Lloyd
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 11:30 am

there’s been people looking at it for a while. the soviets may or may not have had a go at the Messoyakha Gas Field in the West Siberian Basin during the 70s and 80s. the trick appears to be to get the hydrate to destabilise in a neat and orderly fashion.

Geraint Lloyd
October 14, 2015 11:25 am

….. so for my money, the fact that these sediments are on a subduction zone, subject to frequent seismic activity and slope failures / submarine landslides, is a likely cause of hydrate destabilisation. The text mentions that hydrates are sensitive to temperature change (true) but i didn’t see any reference to pressure change (also true), but maybe i read it too quickly

KaiserDerden
Reply to  Geraint Lloyd
October 14, 2015 12:08 pm

and since the seafloor isn’t experiencing any temperature increase I would ask the researchers “What are you talking about ?”

MarkW
Reply to  KaiserDerden
October 14, 2015 1:23 pm

Doncha know, our instruments, which are sensitive to 0.1C, have detected a warming of 0.001C in the deep oceans.

Goldrider
Reply to  KaiserDerden
October 14, 2015 1:36 pm

It’s there because they SAY it is–“reality” is now created by propagandists.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  KaiserDerden
October 14, 2015 3:08 pm

I’m still waiting for some explanation of how greenhouse gasses warm the deep ocean.

DD More
Reply to  KaiserDerden
October 14, 2015 8:01 pm

Kaiser – “the seafloor isn’t experiencing any temperature increase”
Don’t be so sure of that.
An undersea volcano has erupted off the coast of Oregon, spewing forth a layer of lava more than 12 feet (4 meters) thick in some places, and opening up deep vents that belch forth a cloudy stew of hot water and microbes from deep inside the Earth. Scientists uncovered evidence of the early April eruption on a routine expedition in late July to the Axial Seamount, an underwater volcano that stands 250 miles (400 kilometers) off the Oregon coast.
The discovery came as a surprise, as researchers attempted to recover instruments they’d left behind to monitor the peak a year earlier. When the researchers hefted a seafaring robotic vehicle overboard to fetch the instruments, the feed from the onboard camera sent back images of an alien seafloor landscape. In addition to producing hardened lakes of blobby lava, in places more than a mile (1.6 km) across, the eruption changed the architecture of the region’s seafloor hot springs.
“There are more vents, they’re higher temperature, and there are microbes living in them that are usually deep in the crust that come up to the surface in these events,” said Bill Chadwick, a geologist with Oregon State University.
The Axial Volcano rises 3,000 feet (900 m) above the seafloor, the most active of a string of volcanoes along the Juan de Fuca Ridge, a plate boundary where the seafloor is slowly pulling apart.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/08/10/undersea-volcano-eruption-found-off-oregon-coast/
I remember this due because in an earlier report the researchers never got a reading on their sensitive monitor equipment.

Hocus Locus
Reply to  KaiserDerden
October 17, 2015 9:14 am

“Dissociation of Cascadia margin gas hydrates in response to contemporary ocean warming”
~Geophysical Research Letters 2014
“CORRECTION: Dissociation of Cascadia margin gas hydrates in response to precursive fault outgassing leading up to rip-roarin’ ass-kickin’ tsunami-slingin’ beachcomber-drownin’ San Andreas-unzippin’ Cascadia shake’n’quake”
~Geophysical Research Letters 2015? 2016? …
Place your bets!

Reply to  Geraint Lloyd
October 14, 2015 2:33 pm

Geraint Lloyd:
Yep!

Reply to  Geraint Lloyd
October 15, 2015 8:27 am

PV =nRT, so pressure, temperature it’s all equivalent, well not really because there is a phase change involved, ΔvapHo is 8.17 kJ/mol, water is 40.66 kJ/mol, so it’s not huge. I know they claim ocean heat has gone up considerable based on the sparce and adjusted ARGOS data, but temperatures have barely budged, so I’d think the pressure side of the equation is more likely.

October 14, 2015 11:30 am

“Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane”
Perhaps they can tell us by how much the ocean has actually warmed. And since when.
Is it greater than 0.023K per decade?

Hugs
Reply to  Joe Public
October 14, 2015 11:43 am

It’s the delicate balance of Nature which only humans can break.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Hugs
October 15, 2015 10:15 am

Well said. I’ll be repeating that one in conversation.

KaiserDerden
Reply to  Joe Public
October 14, 2015 12:14 pm

and that warming as tiny as it is, is of the surface not the ocean floor …

Expat
Reply to  Joe Public
October 14, 2015 6:54 pm

Since this warm water came from a decades old patch of water in Siberia, a better question is; What caused that Siberian water to get warm in the first place?

Charles Nelson
October 14, 2015 11:30 am

Has anyone else noticed the way that they’re trying to shift the focus onto METHANE just recently…they’re clearly no longer getting much traction with CO2…a bit like the old Global Warming to Climate Change manoeuvre !

MarkW
Reply to  Charles Nelson
October 14, 2015 1:24 pm

They’ve also been trying to revive the comatose “ocean acidification” meme.

Warren Latham
Reply to  Charles Nelson
October 14, 2015 2:45 pm

Exactly !
Smoke, mirrors, distractions, con stories, guessing.
CO2 is bad = Other People’s Money in THEIR bank accounts.
I’m pretty sure that this and many of the other 2015 “reports” from so-called “universities” (and the like) are all part of the UN / IPCC / EPA plan to ramp up the Gravy Train Belief System.
Regards,
WL

Berényi Péter
October 14, 2015 11:37 am

The 2014 study calculated that with present ocean warming, such hydrate decomposition could release roughly 0.1 million metric tons of methane per year into the sediments off the Washington coast

Currently we have about 500 million tons of methane in the atmosphere. Adding 0.1 million tons to it annually, while its atmospheric lifetime is 12 years, is equivalent to insist, that contribution of hydrate decomposition at the Washington coast to atmospheric methane level could only be negligible. That’s what this press release is telling us in a rather roundabout way.

Marcus
Reply to  Berényi Péter
October 14, 2015 11:43 am

It is so depressing to learn that the science that I once believed in as a child has become the ” Monster under the Bed” !!!

Goldrider
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 1:37 pm

Amen, brother!

Reply to  Berényi Péter
October 14, 2015 7:21 pm

Furthermore, the solubility of methane in water at depth is more than 0.03 g CH4 per kg of water. 0.1 million tons of methane would totally dissolve in a volume of water 1 km x 1 km x 3 meters. It need not react to oxidize the CH4 to CO2. It will mostly dissolve in sea water.

October 14, 2015 11:44 am

last paragraph –
“Solomon is now analyzing the chemical composition of samples from bubble plumes emitted by sediments along the Washington coast at about 500 meters deep. Results will confirm whether the gas originates from methane hydrates rather than from some other source, such as the passive migration of methane from deeper reservoirs to the seafloor, which causes most of the other bubble plumes on the continental margin”.
Reveals that entire article is pure conjecture and the real work on the observation has not been done. Just what was the point of the conjecture? Well now.

Reply to  Bubba Cow
October 14, 2015 4:35 pm

2014 U of W research including ocean temperature measurement and location of methane bubbles reported by fishermen.
http://www.washington.edu/news/2014/12/09/warmer-pacific-ocean-could-release-millions-of-tons-of-seafloor-methane/
map (no scale) showing Axial Seamount and Cascadia methane hydrate location.
http://www.interactiveoceans.washington.edu/story/Science_Sites

notfubar
October 14, 2015 11:46 am

I did an observation in the bathtub – any sudden release of bubbles were definitely a sign of noxious gasses and cause for alarm.

Marcus
Reply to  notfubar
October 14, 2015 11:49 am

So , in other words….You farted while taking a bath !!!!.

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 11:51 am

I need grant money to study this phenomenon.. it COULD be life saving !!!! Or maybe a marriage !!

MarkW
Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 1:25 pm

Their lives could be in danger, or worse, their marriage.

Reply to  Marcus
October 14, 2015 2:28 pm

Marcus, Markie,
Just so your grant applications includes Climate Change, you should get pots of tax-payer cash from the EPA – and – in the UK – whatever they have called the Department for Energy and Climate Change since our Spring election.
Not sure if Cameron still cuddles huskies.
Auto – wishing they did it, without snow-mobiles.

October 14, 2015 12:00 pm

http://enenews.com/unpublished-govt-map-shows-massive-plume-fukushima-radioactive-material-west-coast-north-america-radiation-levels-quadrupled-recent-months-scientist-starting-penetration-cesium-offshore-coast-video
Funny you should mention plumes of toxins off the West Coast, today. Here’s a different kind, much, much deadlier than any little ol’ natural gas….

MarkW
Reply to  Larry Butler
October 14, 2015 1:27 pm

4 times nothing, is still nothing.
Just because we can measure something down to the parts per trillion, is not evidence that what we are detecting is dangerous.
The radiation you fear isn’t dangerous in Fukushima, much less several thousand miles away.

October 14, 2015 12:04 pm

So since we’ve been warming for ‘many’ years the methane should have started increasing in the atmosphere when this outgassing started. And so the graph of atmospheric methane should show a point where the rate is increasing, right? Because this is relatively new, right?

October 14, 2015 12:07 pm

I feel like we are living in an era similar to the Salem Witch Trials where self appointed “experts” are declaring cause and effect correlations that don’t hold water, but do ruin peoples lives from a never ending increase in government controls. The real witches are the AGW fanatics and their power hungry government bureaucrat enablers.

Goldrider
Reply to  pyeatte
October 14, 2015 1:38 pm

They think if you give up your pickup truck and your cheeseburger the weather will change; yep, that’s “scientific” thinking all right! 😉

Reply to  Goldrider
October 15, 2015 8:40 am

They can pry my cheeseburger out of my cold dead hand!
My New York strip steak, however, I will cling to tenaciously, even in death.
They’d gwine to hafta bury my wit’ dat one!

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  pyeatte
October 14, 2015 4:33 pm

The similarity is even more remarkable than most people may imagine:
“King James VI of Scotland, who had initially been quite lenient towards witchcraft, experienced terrible storms while sailing to Copenhagen to marry Princess Anne of Denmark, and was forced to take refuge on the coast of Norway for some time. More storms greeted their return journey, and the admiral of the escorting Danish fleet (among others) blamed the storm on witchcraft. These events drastically changed James’ views towards witchcraft” from: http://www.witchcraftandwitches.com/trials_north_berwick.html
“But very often men and beasts and storehouses are struck by lightning by the power of devils; and the cause of this seems to be more hidden and ambiguous, since it often appears to happen by Divine permission without the co-operation of any witch. However, it has been found that witches have freely confessed that they have done such things, and there are various instances of it, which could be mentioned, in addition to what has already been said. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that, just as easily as they raise hailstorms, so can they cause lightning and storms at sea; and so no doubt at all remains on these points. ” from: http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm/mm02a15a.htm

john cook
October 14, 2015 12:10 pm

long time a ago science meant knowledge, now science is about ignorance, the less you know the better scientist you are.

BFL
October 14, 2015 12:24 pm

“Methane has contributed to sudden swings in Earth’s climate in the past. It is unknown what role it might contribute to contemporary climate change,”
How can they know the 1st argument and not know the 2nd???

Paul Westhaver
October 14, 2015 12:33 pm

Excellent! It seem you are getting out in front of this “Boogyman” You know Paris is going to parading this all over the news. Any idea of the % of annual methane is from ice methane? Noteworthy, as per previous posts, is the lack of evidence of catastrophic CH4 burps.

GoatGuy
October 14, 2015 12:36 pm

I have been the proud uncle tasked with reading a very well regarded niece’s papers as she makes her way to and thru the PhD degree in Ecological Sciences (which ought to alert you to the next comment)… My “job” hasn’t been to read the content for content, but for wording, case, tense, and general grammatical shortcomings. Being a PERL programmer, it has also been easy to unobtrusively figure out just exactly how many words I’ve had to suggest corrections for. About 10%.
To me that seems high.
But no matter.
Content is the key to this comment.
Niece’s papers have roundly been on topics just such as this article’s: purported habitat and environmental changes wrought by anthropogenically mediated global climate change; there are a lot of citations, a lot of measurement, and a surprisingly large amount of second-hand conjecture taken as faith.
Though her university mentors obviously counsel “stay neutral, scientific; resist urge to proselytize or preach”, truth is, she seemingly can’t help it, and gets away with a whole lot of it, unchallenged. Gets As, even.
This article’s reference to ancient, ‘frozen’ methane (which is really methane hydrate, a clathrate metastable material) is typical… attribution of a bubbling stream of rising methane gas to the unseen, unmeasured, un-assayed clathrate as the source is a leap of scientific faith, which without the same measurements and assays is just open conjecture until otherwise proven. Niece’s attribution of forestation rates (she’s at University of Alaska, Anchorage), spectrum and mass of lichens, mosses is similarly attributed to conventional and prevailing theory – but without measuring whether the proposed mechanism is real or fiction.
And of course, each one of her papers ends up being a guarded, monotonic, muted-but-bug-eyed screed warning of the future based on tissue-paper thin evidence that anything at all is actually amiss. The bug-eyed business however is openly clear when one views her hashtag fan groupies pre-publication twitters.
Anyway.
As our Fearless Leader so well states … was anyone looking at the nominal rate of oceanic seabed methane emission with such accuracy as is today common … 50, 75 or 100 years back?
Rhetorical answer: No, of course not. Clathrates-in-the-sea had barely been discovered 50 years ago. Certainly not 100 years ago. So, I’m simply not willing to believe there’s a ‘problem’ yet. Just new data, and more data afforded by the amazing metrology that the late 20th and present centuries have brought forth. (And feel-good grants to afford the hugely carbon-emitting open ocean junkets to measure the same.)
GoatGuy

Thin Air
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 14, 2015 6:43 pm

GoatGuy, Thanks. That was an insightful and useful comment.
To see it all happing “up-close” as you have, it must be also discouraging to see your own family sucked into it: the complete break-down of the scientific process in these environmental fields.
What more can we do, those of us who were trained in real science, like physics, chemistry, geology in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s? Are we left only to post comments here and watch the world go crazy?

Bernie
Reply to  Thin Air
October 14, 2015 8:38 pm

Keep the faith, brother. Physics had some pretty dark days too. Truth will out.

Reply to  Thin Air
October 15, 2015 8:45 am

Thin Air,
Um…yup.

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 15, 2015 10:37 am

We should be forgiving, I suppose.
Because they are young. AND they are being simultaneously bamboozled into believing that a “transition” to a carbon free economy would be painless and represent an economic advantage.
For example they are being exposed to widely circulating memes suggesting that Germany now obtains 50% of it’s energy from Solar P.V. or that the fossil fuel industry receives greater subsidy support than renewables.
Although these statements are false and utterly misleading, the people who are sucked into to believing all of this disinformation, do not have the grasp of economics or engineering or politics or sound general science, to extricate themselves from this web of lies.
Hence, a person studying environmental science, sees no harm in spreading the contagion of alarm.
Since they believe that action taken upon such alarm can only serve to benefit the human race, even if their own specific contribution is a little bit “made up”.
In other words, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Jimmy
October 14, 2015 12:37 pm

From Anthony: “I find this study suspect anyway, because by their own admission, the press release precedes the actual publication of the paper.”
In this particular case, that’s not so big a problem as it might seem. In today’s electronic world, it is common for journals to “e-publish” articles before the new edition comes out. E-published articles have already been through peer review, although typically they haven’t been through formatting and final editing for typos. I see this to be a good thing, as it allows these sorts of papers to be available a month or more sooner than if we had to wait for the entire new journal edition to be compiled and published. After all, the formatting doesn’t effect the legitimacy of the science.
Now if we were talking about research that hadn’t even been through peer review and the press release was already out, it would be a whole different story,

Michael J. Dunn
October 14, 2015 12:41 pm

The University of Washington is my alma mater, but since I came from the College of Engineering, I feel no kinship with the trendy science types. I get the alumni magazine monthly, and it is a tedious showcase for all the politically-correct fads and trends in academic do-gooder-ism. The publication regularly gives voice to the President of the University and constantly emphasizes that the UW is a prominent research institution and is saving the world wholesale. I can only suspect that the publicity appearance of this research in advance of formal publication is consistent with the UW’s interest in hawking its wares in the publicly-funded realm.
On another note, the Pacific Northwest is moderated by the tail end of the Japan Current, which keeps us from being as cold as Labrador. It would be expectable that the Current would have variations in strength, location, and temperature at the far end of its gyre.
And also: According to the theory of plate tectonics (which I don’t necessarily uphold), there is a subduction zone ALL ALONG the Pacific coast. One might imagine that subduction mechanics would stir things up over time. When this sort of thing goes on along the California coast, they are called oil seeps and tar pits. Like someone said, the conclusion that it is methane clathrate shaken from a geological slumber may omit the possibility that it is deep abiogenic gas finding its way to the land of the free.

Reply to  Michael J. Dunn
October 14, 2015 4:30 pm

Tectonics is real. Deep abiogenic methane, not so much. There is some, but not deep below the ocean floor. See details in a comment below.

Hugs
Reply to  ristvan
October 14, 2015 10:08 pm

And also: According to the theory of plate tectonics (which I don’t necessarily uphold), there is a subduction zone ALL ALONG the Pacific coast.

Indeed this comment reinforces one little shy fact. Commenters here have basically only one thing in common: they are interested climate contrarianism. At all other accounts, people have wildly different ideas, let me call some of them even fringe theories.
It is a little bit painful in my opinion, because even the ‘official’ IPCC range of expected warming includes no-danger scenarios. You don’t need fringe theories like the Sun being incapable of warming the CO2 laden atmosphere. It is inescapable though, that people with fringe theories will appear here. It is a little bit sad that all present get the stink.

Chris
Reply to  Michael J. Dunn
October 15, 2015 10:09 am

The UW recently was chosen as the 11th ranked university globally. It has been a huge catalyst for job creation in the Seattle area, in particular in the biotech sector and IT. And in recent years, the expertise of UW faculty in cloud computing has been a major factor in many cloud companies locating in Seattle – not just Microsoft and Amazon.

Gary Meyers
October 14, 2015 1:00 pm

FTA: “… it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.”
Just what does methane decompose into anyway? Hydrogen and carbon. Since carbon is a solid at these temperatures, the gas bubbling up from the “decomposition of methane” must be hydrogen gas?

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