Yesterday, I received my advance copy of this book, and after spending about an hour with it, I Tweeted this:
Just received advance copy of book “A Disgrace to the Profession” from
@MarkSteynOnline all I can say is: Mann, that’s gonna leave a mark!
And today, after spending a full day with it, that statement still holds true.
I remember when Mann decided to sue NRO and Steyn for defamation, and despite all the laughing at the time there was this prescient thought from Dr. Judith Curry:
“Mark Steyn is formidable opponent. I suspect that this is not going to turn out well for you.”
Well, Part 1, or should I say, Volume 1 of that prediction is now in press. It’s a scorcher, hilarity, and a tale of science and politics gone awry all in one.
Steyn realized the word of a political pundit like himself can only travel so far in certain circles, and in a brilliant move, he has gathered a compendium of what other scientists have to say about Mann’s work on the “hockey stick”. And of course, he’s had it illustrated by Josh. My favorite is Mann as Yoda, wielding a hockey stick rather than a light saber, seen in this collage below:
The book has twelve chapters plus an introduction, prologue, and a postscript. In it. You’ll find quotes from scientists like this one:
and this one:
And there are many, many, more even harsher than that. Such as this one:
The final word of the last chapter goes to Dr. Judith Curry:
And there’s even a final chapter called:
…where you can read what the IPCC has to say about it. I’ll give Steyn credit, he strives for some balance here, but there’s just so few positive reviews that he could barely fill that chapter, much like there were no amicus curiae briefs filed with the DC Circuit Court on Mann’s behalf. I suspect many science professionals know what they are dealing with here, but fear coming forward. After all, who wants to be sued by Dr. Mann, and have discovery drag on for years?
I do like the chapter “Mann Overboard!” taken from one of our WUWT headlines by that name.
I quipped at the time this silliness with lawsuits all got started that “a Mann’s got to know his limitations” (With apologies to Clint Eastwood as Harry Callahan). We’ll know soon if any of this has sunk in to Dr. Mann’s understanding of what he is really up against.
So far, Mann’s predictable supporters haven’t weighed in, except for the borderline Harvard man, Dr. Russell Seitz, who didn’t bother to buy the book (Amazon notes “Verifed Purchaser” in such reviews), but has plenty to say about it on Amazon (see below). Like the hockey stick itself, Seitz’s review is done by proxy, not by actually reading it. It’s sad and yet hilarious that this sycophant posted a review for a book that not only he apparently didn’t read, but wasn’t even available yet for shipping!
That right there symbolizes the whole problem of climate zealotry in a nutshell: it’s what they believe is there, and they won’t look beyond their own beliefs to form rational opinions, and so cling to the irrational tribalism that has polarized the climate issue.
I recommend Steyn’s book highly, because it really gets to the heart of the matter about that lack of scientific rigor in climate science that has become a poster child for “noble cause corruption”.
You can pre-order it on Amazon here, shipping starts August 14 15th.

The text from Amazon says:
The “hockey stick” graph of global temperatures is the single most influential icon in the global-warming debate, promoted by the UN’s transnational climate bureaucracy, featured in Al Gore’s Oscar-winning movie, used by governments around the world to sell the Kyoto Accord to their citizens, and shown to impressionable schoolchildren from kindergarten to graduation.
And yet what it purports to “prove” is disputed and denied by many of the world’s most eminent scientists. In this riveting book, Mark Steyn has compiled the thoughts of the world’s scientists, in their own words, on hockey-stick creator Michael E Mann, his stick and their damage to science. From Canada to Finland, Scotland to China, Belgium to New Zealand, from venerable Nobel Laureates to energetic young researchers on all sides of the debate analyze the hockey stock and the wider climate wars it helped launch.
After you buy it and receive it, I recommend posting an Amazon review based on what you’ve read, unlike the irascible Dr. Russell Seitz, who apparently posts fake reviews by proxy.









The trouble I have with this book’;s title is that in reality Mann’s’ poor professional and personal pratice is not “A Disgrace to the Profession” but normal even rewarded and celebrated with the profession of climate ‘science ‘
True he takes it to an extreme level , which is partly why so many on his own side cannot stand him, but much of what he does is typical of his profession.
When the profession is selling snake oil , then lying is the norm not the exception.
I believe the title is actually an excerpt from one of the quotes.
Just placed an order for ‘A Disgrace to the Profession’ from the Steyn book store online at ‘Steyn Online’.
From the various reviews and from Steyn’s own descriptions of the book, I think it shows that Mann is an intellectual cross breed of: a) a mentally challenged Faust, b) a clueless Humpty Dumpty and c) the wacky con$piracist Naomi Oreskes.
John
If an injury has to be done to a Mann it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
Niccolo Machiavelli
Sooner or later a second book is going to come out and it’s going to include you Mr Watts and Judith Curry and all the other Luke Warmers as well as the alarmists who doggedly hold to the notion that there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. Michael Mann has got what’s coming to him, but I advise you not to be so smug about it as the total extent of scientific incompetence is yet to be revealed.
Did you peer into a crystal ball or do you just randomly post predictions without any sort of evidence to back them up because perhaps you’re on some Scientific Competence Authority Committee?
Auditioning for a job with the IPCC.
That would be the “SCAC” my friend Aphan. Membership is limited, but for you, I can get you in for a mere 500 pesos. You would then have” Scientific Authority” my friend. A certificate for your “Wall” and a signed “welcome” by the esteemed Dr. Michael Mann to go with it.
WWF, study up. I did for now near 5.5 years. Your blathering just feeds ammunition to the other side. Get over it. CO2 is a GHG. Tyndall showed that to the RS in 1859. Now, Arrhenius got the details wrong. Fixed. The issues are feedbacks and sensitivity. Models fail at that, recently previously posted as to inherently why. Stop making really ignorant comments. Please.
If you are going to quote Tyndale at least get him right he identified. H2O as the only significant greenhouse gas. CO2 was an also ran.
Max
“CO2 is a GHG. Tyndall showed that to the RS in 1859.”
“If you are going to quote Tyndale at least get him right he identified. H2O as the only significant greenhouse gas. CO2 was an also ran.”
If you’re going to correct ristvan you should:
1. At least correctly spell the name of the scientist you are talking about.
2. At least understand what an actual “quote” is, and when someone else has actually used one.
2A.- Saying “CO2 is a GHG” is accurate, and has no bearing at all on the significance of H2O as a greenhouse gas.
3. Use punctuation where it makes sense.
The Hockey Stick:
http://a-sceptical-mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Comparison-charts.jpg
The Truth:
http://www.ancientdestructions.com/greenland-once-a-viking-paradise/
It only took 11 years to rewrite 1000 years of climate history. No wonder Michael Mann thought he won the Nobel Prize.
Thanks for the comparison – I sent the link out on email
If Mann had a beautiful smile like Naomi Oreskes, I would like him more.
http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/thisweek/2006/dec/images/senate01.jpg
Did you have permission for a camera in the the mann’s room?
Great pic. Looks like the height markers in a line-up.
Is it just me, or does it look like he has a giant nail through his head?
Why do these guys all have little devil beards? Or as we call them in the joint ” prison pussies””
@Aphan, yes, That explains everything ( and +100).
What a beautiful mug. [trimmed, excessive]
If I had no honor… And was a much better liar without a good conscience, i would be tempted to join his fellows… The group think, brainless, followers of his, and screw over my fellow citizens, like he and his ilk has for the money. The tax money that us citizens have no choice of in forking out for the brainless, political idiocy that this ass promotes.
AArgh!!!
Fine pic … but what’s that copper spike in his one ear, coming out of the other?
*shudder*
Wouldn’t Mann first have to be professional, before he can be said to be a member of any profession?
“Just received advance copy of book “A Disgrace to the Profession” from @MarkSteynOnline all I can say is: Mann, that’s gonna leave a mark!”
Would have been even better had you capitalized “mark”.
From personal experience, I know that you don’t even have to be a climate scientist to have your job ended because you dare to dispute the global warming gravy train.
I wrote this a few years back. Truth ages well.
MICHAEL MANN –THE HOCKEY STICK
There was a crooked Mann
Who played a crooked trick
And had a crooked plan
To make a crooked stick
By using crooked math
That favored crooked lines
Lysenko’s crooked path
Led thru the crooked pines
And all his crooked friends
Applaud what crooked seems
But all that crooked ends
Derives from crooked means
Eugene WR Gallun
Hey, Steyn, yours to use as you want if you decide
your next volume could use a little poetry in it.
And you may also use this if you think it will advance “the cause”.8-)
Stopping by Yamal One Snowy Evening
What tree this is, I think I know.
It grew in Yamal some time ago.
Yamal 06 I’m placing here
In hopes a hockey stick will grow.
But McIntyre did think it queer
No tree, the stick did disappear!
Desparate measures I did take
To make that stick reappear.
There were some corings from a lake.
And other data I could bake.
I’ll tweek my model more until
Another hockey stick I’ll make!
I changed a line into a hill!
I can’t say how I was thrilled!
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Now all we need is a short opera, say, “Yamal and the Night Visitors” (apologies to Giancarlo Menotti)…
Very good. I have added your two fine poems to my collection here: http://climatelessons.blogspot.co.uk/p/climate-culture-poetry-and-song-from.html
Mann’s on the run…
And a little limerick . . . . at Mann’s expense . . . .
Enjoy . . .
John
Not much arguing going on here, lol. Pan the Mann.
Here is something of interest (if the mods would like to consider).. unless its been covered before. A suite of satellites monitoring where our “agw” gasses are coming from, or not, as the facts now remain.
http://fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect16/Sect16_10.html
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Well, it made me smile 🙂
Will there be a Kindle release soon? I no longer buy books I will use a reference in paper form. I Like carrying my reference library on my smart phone.
Per Steyn, Yes. Soon. Next month.
***Mann gets corrected in The Guardian today – LOL:
11 Aug: Guardian: Scott Walker wants to fire academics with whom he disagrees politically
Universities are the latest target of conservative politicians with an agenda to push
by Michael Mann and Randi Weingarten
The work of scientists often produces facts that are uncomfortable and inconvenient to the interests of those in power…
In discussions about climate change, for example, ‘think tanks’ like Wisconsin’s Heartland Institute use their well-financed public relations machines to create the impression that the scientific evidence for human-caused climate change is still debated…
CORRECTION: The original version of this piece stated that the Heartland Institute is in Wisconsin. It is in Chicago. The piece has been amended to reflect this.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/11/scott-walker-wants-fire-academics-disagrees-politically
Sorry, I’m a little late to this party, but …
It’s also somewhat amusing to note that in his more visible public pronouncements, for some reason – perhaps best known only to himself – Mann teams up not with other “climate scientists”, but with the likes of 3rd rater, Lewandowsky [See: here] and – for his latest and greatest whine – with a US.labour union boss; i.e. Randi Weingarten who, according to the Graun, is “president of the American Federation of Teachers, the largest higher education faculty union in the US.”
To the best of my knowledge, neither Weingarten nor Lewandowsky has any expertise pertaining that oh-so-noble discipline known as “climate science”.
Makes one wonder … How low can the little bully, Mann and his stick schtick, go, eh?!
Okay, why would Seitz give TWO stars to this book, which he hasn’t read, and which he disdains. ‘Polemicism’ people!! Shouda stuck to one star, the big mealy-mouthed phony.
By giving it two stars he is likely to get more people to read his review. Think about it: many 1 star reviews are rants. People know this. So they are less likely to pay attention thinking it is just a disgruntled person. I know I do. I only consider 1 star reviews legitimate if there are many 1 star reviews (and the subject is not political). By giving it two stars people will think Seitz actually read the book and thus is giving an honest opinion. It is a mind game.
Seitz’s review was even worse than a rant. It was pure deception. He hadn’t even read the book!
I just ordered mine. I’m thinking of buying another to send to Greg Laden.
Don’t. You’ll just have to explain all the big words and cartoons for him if you do. 🙂
Your comment about verified buyer says my comment will carry more weight if I am a “verified buyer”–through Amazon. But I want to buy mine from Stein to help him more.
Please give these two men a break. Russell Seitz would never do such a thing. Look at all of the love that Russell has showered on Anthony and this site. You know he has the respect of the 97% for his idea of geoengineering the oceans with Lawrence Welk bubble machines. I just hope they play a little champagne music at the same time. As far as Mann goes, you must remember that he got his physics degree at Berkley. Berkeley, being a progressive school, must teach progressive physics. His heart, black as it may be, is in his work. Lighten up guys. Why worry about truth, honesty, and trillions of dollars.
Ric…snicker…the tin Mann has no heart, R. Seitz has no brain, and neither one has the courage to admit their mistakes.
…..and I don’t think that going to see the Wizard will do them any good.
And they’re both lion…
I am buying one for our Alberta Premier and one for our Alberta Environment Minister aka Minister of “Climate Change” aka Minister of Truth. (and one for me.)
Is there a way to purchase this book via a Paypal account? I’m currently unable to use my bank account to purchase anything due to some mess with fraudulent charges (last I checked, I’m ~$200 in the hole because of them), and my only other alternative at the moment is Paypal. As far as I can see though, there’s no way to use that. Mark Steyn’s site doesn’t seem to offer it as a payment option, and Amazon never has.
Best response to R. Seitz on Amazon so far:
“Amazon Customer says:
It is traditional to read a book before reviewing it.
Or is the review based on a modeled simulation?”
Cannot. Stop. Laughing.
+1,000!!! That. Is. BRILLIANT.
Ha ha! “Volume 1” is a nice touch.
I received my book a few days ago. I’m LOVING it!
My signed copy from Steyn reads, “Wow, Mann – put that in your pipe and smoke it!”
Steyn used three quotes by Scientists to promote his book: (for full text from my source, see link at the end)
1) “Do I expect you to publicly denounce the hockey stick as obvious drivel? Well, yes.”
-Jonathan Jones, Professor of Atomic and Laser Physics, University of Oxford
2) “Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred …because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.”
-Eduardo Zorita, Senior Scientist at Germany’s Institute for Coastal Research
3) “Did Mann et al get it wrong? Yes, Mann et al got it wrong.”
-Simon Tett, Professor of Climate Science, University of Edinburgh
“…Simon Tett, a mainstream climate scientist, contributed to the Hockey Stick reconstruction by advancing research on the role of aerosols. Tett and Michael Mann published together on this issue.
Simon Tett said, “I think my criticism was that it was likely missing some variances. My view then and still is that recent warming is very likely outside the range of natural variability.” This is an argument over variability in Mann et al’s reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere temperatures over the last thousand years.”
“Tett’s contribution to climate science has been to address that variability. He has recently co-authored articles with Mike Mann that confirm the Hockey Stick pattern of temperature changes and seek to understand that pattern in terms of natural and human drives of climate. Clearly, he is one of the nearly 100 percent of scientists who view global warming as real and caused by human greenhouse gas pollution.”
So, Steyn got it wrong.
On Zorita: He said the quote is essentially accurate, and that he has put it on his personal web page several years ago. He was concerned about the perception of objectivity in the IPCC process, so perhaps these researchers should not be part of the process given the controversy at the time caused by the famous Climategate hacked emails.
However, he was careful to note that his statement was “not related to the quality of their scientific work. Actually, my statement was a suggestion to isolate the IPCC process from the credibility crisis linked to Climategate.”
So this is about perception, not about the quality of the science or the validity of the Hockey Stick.
He went on to say, “I feel that those political attacks, especially those against Michael Mann in the US, have no justification.”
Jonathan Jones, at Oxford, the third quoted scientist, is a physicist in an area of physics that has absolutely nothing to do with climate change. He published a few things many years ago then seems to have trailed off in academic activity, but nothing on climate science.
The original quote by Jones was a lengthy screed critical of the climate science and the scientists in which he explicitly implores Richard Betts to denounce the hockey stick. (Betts is a climate scientist at the UK’s Met Office, and a lead author for the IPCC 4th assessment report and other IPCC documents.)
Jones indicates that the whole global warming thing is pathological science, will eventually go away, and he hopes he can soon get back to his own research in an utterly unrelated field. Which, I think, he may have done. Maybe Jonathan Jones, as a non-climate scientist who is also a climate science denier, is an appropriate person to quote in Steyn’s book. One in three … not a very good result.
“I’m thinking this is not going to be a very big book. Certainly not a very good one. Maybe Steyn is counting on a lot of pre-orders.”
So two of the three quotes were taken out of context by Steyn, from Climate Scientists who supported and even worked on the hockey stick results. And the third is by a scientist who has done no work in Climate Science.
In other words, Steyn’s new book is a trashy screed, without the Scientific support he’s claimed.
full text here: http://www.desmog.uk/2015/06/24/mark-steyn-s-newest-attack-michael-mann-and-hockey-stick
Thank you for your insightful comment with a plenty of reliable links. Do you publish on desmog frequently?
The article being referenced was authored by “guest”.
“guest” says he/she contacted each of those three noted people.
Hey, when “guest” talks, it appears desmog listens.
I supposed he/she “guessed” we would, too.
johnWho “guest” is Greg Laden. See http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/06/22/mark-steyns-newest-attack-on-michael-mann-and-the-hockey-stick/ for the original source.
warrenlb is still having difficulty reporting primary sources despite all the help he’s been getting.
warrenlb says:
“Clearly, he is one of the nearly 100 percent of scientists who view global warming as real and caused by human greenhouse gas pollution.”
Nonsense. As always, warrenlb makes an assertion as if it is based on verifiable measured data, quantifying a specific amount of global warming due to human CO2 emissions. But as always, he cannot produce any measurements of man-made global warming (MMGW). He is winging it because he lacks testable (falsifiable) data.
MMGW is no more than an opinion. A conjecture. Because there are no verifiable, testable measurements quantifying the supposed fraction of a degree of MMGW, out of total global warming from all sources, including the natural recovery of the planet from the LIA — one of the coldest episodes of the entire Holocene. It would be astonishing if the planet had not warmed up. The current cycle of global warming over the past century is no different than numerous other global warming episodes, which occurred before any significant rise in CO2.
So after wasting untold $billions of taxpayer dollars paying highly educated scientists to find, measure and quantify the extent, if any, of MMGW, there are still NO such measurements! No one has ever produced a single verifiable measurement, after many decades of diligent searching. What does that tell us?
People like warrenlb are nothing more than True Believers. Their view is based on their religious eco-faith, not on verifiable, testable scientific measurements. Because there are no such measurements. If MMGW exists, it is ipso facto so minuscule that it should be completely disregarded for all public policy questions. At this point, MMGW has become nothing more or less than a deliberate hoax on the taxpaying public.
In science, data is everything. Measurements are data. But because he has no measurements quantifying MMGW, warrenlb has to fall back on the only kind of argument he has left: his baseless assertion that MMGW exists; that it is significant; and that is leading to a climate catastrophe. That is mere snake oil. Anyone can make assertions. But they mean nothing without supporting data.
As you well know, there are 10s of thousands of peer reviewed research papers published with all the evidence needed for every scientific academy on Earth to conclude AGW. Your inability, or refusal, to consider that evidence is a deeper problem than I , or any mere mortal can solve. Perhaps a long vacation, to view the vanishing arctic sea ice or glaciers. would help.
warrenlb says:
As you well know, there are 10s of thousands of peer reviewed research papers published with all the evidence needed for every scientific academy on Earth to conclude AGW…&blah, blah, etc.
Just more baseless assertions, which mean nothing.
If you want credibility, post a testable, verifiable measurement, quantifying the specific fraction of man-made global warming, out of total global warming from all causes — including the natural recovery from the LIA.
If you can do that, you will be the first, and on the short list for a Nobel Prize.
Or, you can continue making your baseless assertions and endless appeals to corrupted authorities. So far, that’s all you’ve got.
dbstealey: “the natural recovery from the LIA”
..
What is physics and/or physical process that causes a “natural recovery?”
Jerzy S,
Good question. Negative feedbacks enter into it. And of course it is a natural recovery; it happened, and it may be continuing to happen — and it certainly is not un-natural, is it?
However, I am interested in finding a testable measurement quantifying “MMGW”. So far, no one has been able to provide any such measurements, and I’ve been asking for years.
That tells me that either MMGW is so minuscule that it is unmeasurably small, or that it doesn’t exist. Personally, I think human emissions may cause a very small rise in temperature. But that increase in temperature is so tiny that it can be completely disregarded, since it is too minuscule to measure. Thus, it is not worth worrying about.
dbstealey: Since you do not know if it is or if it is not natural, and you have no physical/physics explanation, you better not call it “natural”
…
You don’t have a clue in other words.
Jerzy Strzelecki Wrong. Just because you cannot identify the boundaries of a natural process does not prevent you from identifying it as natural.
That is truly a lame attempt to score coup.
michael
Warrenlb and Jerzy Strzelecki:
You each dispute the correct and true statement of dbstealey concerning man-made global warming (MMGW) which said
There is no empirical evidence of any kind for anthropogenic (i.e. manmade) global warming (AGW); none, zilch, nada.
Three decades of research conducted worldwide at a cost of $5billion per year has failed to find any such evidence. If you were to find some then you would certainly be awarded at least one Nobel Prize and probably more. In the 1990s Ben Santer claimed to have found such evidence but that was soon revealed to be a result of his having selected data from the middle of a time series and the ‘evidence’ collapsed when all the data set was used.
The issue is the inability of climate data to indicate difference from the Null Hypothesis. I again explain this for the benefit of onlookers who don’t know.
The Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed a system has not experienced a change unless there is evidence of a change.
The Null Hypothesis is a fundamental scientific principle and forms the basis of all scientific understanding, investigation and interpretation. Indeed, it is the basic principle of experimental procedure where an input to a system is altered to discern a change: if the system is not observed to respond to the alteration then it has to be assumed the system did not respond to the alteration.
In the case of climate science there is a hypothesis that increased greenhouse gases (GHGs, notably CO2) in the air will increase global temperature. There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.
Please note that the Null Hypothesis is a hypothesis which exists to be refuted by empirical observation. It is a rejection of the scientific method to assert that one can “choose” any subjective Null Hypothesis one likes. There is only one Null Hypothesis: i.e. it has to be assumed a system has not changed unless it is observed that the system has changed.
However, deciding a method which would discern a change may require a detailed statistical specification.
In the case of global climate in the Holocene, no recent climate behaviours are observed to be unprecedented so the Null Hypothesis decrees that the climate system has not changed.
Importantly, an effect may be real but not overcome the Null Hypothesis because it is too trivial for the effect to be observable. Human activities have some effect on global temperature for several reasons. An example of an anthropogenic effect on global temperature is the urban heat island (UHI). Cities are warmer than the land around them, so cities cause local warming. But the temperature rise from cities is too small to be detected when averaged over the entire surface of the planet, although this global warming from cities can be estimated by measuring the local warming of all cities and their areas.
Clearly, the Null Hypothesis decrees that UHI is not affecting global temperature although there are good reasons to think UHI has some effect (and can distort temperature measurements). Similarly, it is very probable that AGW from GHG emissions are too trivial to have observable effects.
The feedbacks in the climate system are negative and, therefore, any effect of increased CO2 will be probably too small to discern because natural climate variability is much, much larger. This concurs with the empirically determined values of low climate sensitivity.
Empirical – n.b. not model-derived – determinations indicate climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent. This is indicated by the studies of
Idso from surface measurements
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/Idso_CR_1998.pdf
and Lindzen & Choi from ERBE satellite data
http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf
and Gregory from balloon radiosonde data
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/OLR&NGF_June2011.pdf
Indeed, because climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of CO2 equivalent, it is physically impossible for the man-made global warming to be large enough to be detected (just as the global warming from UHI is too small to be detected). If something exists but is too small to be detected then it only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has effects (observation of the effects would be its detection).
To date there are no discernible effects of AGW. Hence, the Null Hypothesis decrees that AGW does not affect global climate to a discernible degree. That is the ONLY scientific conclusion possible at present.
Richard
But . . . [appeal to authority], [appeal to quantity of government-funded studies], [appeal to peer-review a process that may in the past have been credible], [appeal to the government-funded “scientific academy” that somehow toes government lines and is populated with people skilled at honing in on the best grant-receiving opportunities, sinecures, big houses, nice cars, and free first-class or private jet travel to the best confabs], [ad hominem], [ad hominem], [appeal to authority], [ad hominem], [ad hominem]. I win! You lose! See?
Jerzy S,
The warming 1910-1945 was as high and fast as the warming 1976-2000. CO2 increases in the first period were 10 ppmv, in the second period 50 ppmv. The warming in the second period was not 5 times faster…
In the period 1945-1976 there was a small cooling with increasing (15 ppmv) CO2 levels. In the period since 2000 there is no statistical warming with increasing (20 ppmv) CO2 levels.
What is the contribution of CO2 in the whole temperature series based on this variability in effect? If “something natural” (ocean oscillations?) countered the warming from CO2 since 2000, may that same “something natural” not responsible for (most of) the warming since 1976 or even since 1850?
“Perhaps a long vacation, to view the vanishing arctic sea ice…”
Oops…no ice free arctic this year…lot of ice in the Hudson bay too. All in all, a pretty dangerous vacation.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png
Jerzy Strzelecki says:
“You don’t have a clue…”
Jerzy, you have admitted before that you don’t have an eduction in the hard sciences. IIRC, your specialty is sociology and psychology. You also wrote that you read this site to learn. Instead, you’re arguing without providing any supporting evidence.
May I suggest that you take the opportunity to study the comment by Richard Courtney above? If you can understand it, you will see that the claims of warrenlb and others like him are not science, they are simply logical fallacies like his constant Appeal to Authority fallacies, and similar pseudo-science.
Science is rigorous. In order to falsify the Null Hypothesis (thus showing conclusively that MMGW exists), you must provide verifiable, testable measurements, quantifying the specific amount of global warming directly attributable to human CO2 emissions. You must be able to quantify the change due to human emitted CO2.
But so far, no one has been able to quantify man-made global warming. It has never been measured. Thus, the Null Hypothesis has never been falsified. The alternative hypothesis of MMGW remains an unproven conjecture; an opinion.
You can accept the scientific method, or not. But if you reject it then I suggest you read about the famous 1950’s psychology experiment conducted by Dr. Leon Festinger, who studied a group called the “Seekers”. Despite overwhelming contrary evidence, their belief in what they had been taught by their leader, ‘Mrs. Keech’, became much stronger even as the evidence falsifying their beliefs became more obvious. Once they accepted their original belief system, all the facts in the world were not sufficient to change their minds. We see this same effect throughout the climate alarmist world. Facts do not matter, only their belief matters.
You reject the climate Null Hypothesis, just like the Seekers rejected the fact that the flying saucer did not appear as predicted. (A more recent example is the Rev. Harold Camping, who predicted the end of the world — several times. But his followers still believed him.)
So look in the mirror, Jerzy. A strong belief means nothing in science. Facts, evidence, testability, data, and measurements are what matter. But the MMGW crowd lacks those things. Like warrenlb, they rely on assertions and logical fallacies instead of verifiable facts, data, and measurements.
dbstealey….I see from your response that you indeed have no clue. If you did, you would have explained what caused the “recovery” instead of delegating it.
Jerzy Strzelecki,
Why are you being so obnoxious? Several of us including Richard, Mike, me, Ferdinand, and others have sincerely tried to help you understand the problem here. Your repeated response is to call people “clueless”, but you offer no evidence even though I’ve repeatedly asked you, or anyone else, to post verifiable measurements quantifying man-made global warming (MMGW).
You asked what caused the recovery from the Little Ice Age. If we had widely accepted answers explaining everything happening with the planet, that issue would be settled. But the fact is that no one knows for sure what caused either the LIA, or the subsequent recovery. There are various hypotheses, but there are still more questions than answers in the climate debate.
Eventually we will get most, if not all the answers. The only way to do that is by using the scientific method, and falsifying every possible conjecture and hypothesis. Then only the scientific truth as it currently exists will remain standing, after all the debunked conjectures have been discarded.
You don’t have the answers and neither does warrenlb, yet you don’t demand that he must give you answers to your questions. Labeling others as “clueless” indicates that your mind is made up. MMGW is an emotional issue with you.
Science works like this: when a scientist makes a conjecture, he designs an experiment to test it. If the experiment supports his opinion (his conjecture), then other scientists try to replicate his experiment, and also design their own experiments for further refinement. If enough experimental evidence accumulates to support the original conjecture, then over time it becomes an accepted hypothesis.
However, no matter how many experiments may support a conjecture or hypothesis, it only takes one experiment to falsify it. That has happened with the CO2=CAGW conjecture, as several commenters here have tried to explain to you.
The conjecture that a rise in CO2 will lead to rapid global warming has been decisively falsified. Despite the recent large increase in CO2, global temperatures have not risen in almost twenty years. So that conjecture has been falsified. Human CO2 emissions cannot be the cause of rapid global warming because emissions have risen substantially, but global temperatures remain in stasis. In fact, all the available evidence indicates that the rise in CO2 has been completely harmless, and in fact, very beneficial to the biosphere; the planet is measurably greening as a direct result of more CO2.
If you accept falsifiability and the scientific method (and for that matter, Occam’s Razor and the climate Null Hypothesis), you have no choice but to agree that the claims of man-made global warming are either flat wrong, or that any MMGW is so insignificant that it should be completely disregarded as a waste of resources. In either case, the claims made by the climate alarmist crowd have been thoroughly debunked by the only Authority that matters: Planet Earth.
As the climategate e-mails made clear, peer review has been corrupted to the point of meaninglessness.
Of course the useful idiots will continue to proclaim their lies hoping that this time someone will believe them.
Jerzy, since it’s easy to demonstrate that man didn’t cause it, then it has to be natural.
Unless you want to posit that it was a supernatural cause?
Jerzy, let me see if I have your argument straight.
Are you arguing that unless we can prove that man did not cause the recovery from the little ice age, we must assume that man is causing the current warming?
db stealey said: “I’m still waiting for a verifiable MMGW measurement that is accepted by all your ‘authorities’.”
This has been published before, including on this site: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/25/co2-greenhouse-effect-increase/
Chris August 13, 2015 at 12:34 am:
Seek and ye shall find. Seek hard enough for what you’re looking for and you’ll find it – even if it is a mirage or an anomaly.
As I understand it, Desmog is a paid propaganda site, paid for by D Suzuki, with funds from TIDES, a political lobby fund, who have a contributors J Kerry’s wife, plus wind and solar interest billionaires. The money even is said to flow to band chiefs to oppose pipelines.
So I think Desmog is the propaganda face to a network of green activists with green capitalists paying the bills..
In other words, imo Warren is posting trash talk here, and he is likely being paid to do it.
Yes, I became a zillionaire. Its obviously the only reason one would have to post real facts on this website.
So, warrenlb, when will you begin to post those “real facts”?
I’m still waiting for a verifiable MMGW measurement that is accepted by all your ‘authorities’. I’ve made that same request of you for a few years now, but you’ve never produced a single measurement. The reason is simple: there are no such measurements. Thus, your baseless assertions…
Actually, warrenlb and his tribe of incompetents and assorted nitwits are better off not having any verifiable evidence for any causative effect of CO2 going from 280 ppm to 402 ppm on any global climate parameter. If they did, it would only go to show mathematically how pathetically small the effect was, and they’d be out of business instantly.
They’re way better off with the actual effect being hidden down in the noise and ready, for the first time in the history of the universe, to disobey the Second Law of Thermodynamics and spring out on us at some point in time that is only defined within the tops of their heads.
warrenlb
Okay lets start with your statement;
“Jonathan Jones, at Oxford, the third quoted scientist, is a physicist in an area of physics that has absolutely nothing to do with climate change. He published a few things many years ago then seems to have trailed off in academic activity, but nothing on climate science.” By the same token, Michael Mann is not a historian, and is not qualified to speak on historical records. Such as the climate records encompassing most of the hockey stick. He clearly did not follow any of the methods of verification a trained Historian would have used. Nor that of an Paleontologist. He is a hack and would have served the human race better as a meat cutter in a butcher’s shop.
Oh and the last part of your statement “but nothing on climate science” the same cam be said for Michael Mann. What has he done other then muddy the waters? Nothing but a waste of endeavor
michael
“a physicist in an area of physics that has absolutely nothing to do with climate change”
You really haven’t been paying attention, have you?
The scam they are trying to pull is the claim that only those recognized as “experts” on climate science are allowed to talk about climate science.
And of course how do you get yourself to be declared an “expert” on climate science? The only acceptable method is for those who have already declared themselves to be “experts” in climate science to declare that you to are an “expert”.
Here’s another comment from Tett:
A few more choice one’s from The Team that I believe are in the book (H/T Paul Matthews at Bishop Hil)l:
What have you got to say about these Warren?
For years, warmists such as yourself have been promising thermal armageddon (50 million climate refugees, ice-free arctic, New York flooded, etc.) and none of it has happened. That is why the public ain’t listening to the CAGW rubbish anymore and also why governments such as the Conservatives in the UK are starting to dial-back on the massive subsidies given to useless ‘green’ tech.
Hi Anthony
I don’t know any way to reach you other than through this vehicle.Some many months back you ran a special edition posting on your experience obtaining Starkey hearing aids and the tremendous help they were to you. As one that has a disability very similar to yours – you showed your test chart – your piece set me off on a three month project trying to improve my situation. I tried 3 different products, including Starkey but could not find an aid that outperformed what I was already wearing in a hearing-in-noise situation as in a normal restaurant. Essentially all the top brands have the same limitation as to what they can do with just a hearing aid.
I finally came across a product called the Roger Pen, by Phonak, another large aid manufacturer and the brand my current aids were made by. This little device makes eating out in a restaurant with for instance your wife a doable thing again. Your partner wears the Roger Pen, a highly directional microphone, on a lanyard around their neck. When they speak to you, their voice overpowers the background noise and you can clearly hear what is being said through a wifi circuit direct to your aids. You might still struggle with what the waiter says, but your wife you will hear clearly. Phonak have a way of adapting this device to other brands of aids. Any aids dispenser that handles Phonak could fit you with this excellent product.
If it weren’t for running that piece on your disability solution, I probably would not have come across this particular solution. Thanks so much for running that post last fall.
I really feel for you. My brother in law has serious hearing impairment, and when he’s out at a restaurant or other place with lots of background noise, his hearing aids fail him, and he is basically cut off from any meaningful contact and hence very isolated. It’s painful for him AND his loved ones.
I’ll pass this on to him 🙂
Under the About menu there is a Contact form for Anthony:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/contact-2/
/Mr Lynn
Actually, I have starlet hearing aids and they also have a device much like the lanyard pen you use. It’s great for meetings too!
I also have starkey aids. I purchased a remote that also acts as a lanyard-attached directional microphone. It works well in restaurants (and meetings)
Doesnt the USA have the category of “vexacious litigator” to protect again such as Mann?
There is an “Anti-Slap” law in DC that does not work as intended. Litigation is designed to feed lawyers and the system. Justice has little to do with the process IMO.
“Justice has little to do with the process”
That’s why it is properly called a legal system, not a justice system. The good news is, according to Instapundit Glenn Reynolds (who should know, being a professor of law), being a lawyer is no longer seen as great a career as it used to be. Fewer law students, some firms cutting lawyers. Here’s hoping…
California does, but I don’t know about DC or the other States.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/CCP/3/2/3A/s391