Claim: You need philosophy to see climate change

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The Thinker by Rodin, original photo by Andrew Horne, modified, public domain source Wikimedia https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Thinker,_Rodin.jpg

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Conversation has published a gem of an article, aimed at people suffering climate “guilt”, to help them philosophically come to terms with the fact that they are experiencing emotional distress, about events which haven’t happened

According to The Conversation;

Do you suffer from climate guilt? A dose of philosophy can help

People cannot engage in something they cannot see or feel. We need concrete reasons to care and act. In this way, climate change presents a threefold intangible challenge:

1. we can perceive the weather, but the climate system is something rather abstract, a statistical construct

2. we now know climate change is anthropogenic, or man-made, but how can we understand this? One way is to say: mankind is the reason, but this becomes also very abstract. Who actually is represented with mankind? Another way is to say: China or the US is to blame, as if we are speaking of subjects and not concepts. We cannot grasp how you and I contribute to climate change, not by doing something extraordinary, but with our everyday lives

3. we cannot perceive how we as individuals can contribute to mitigating climate change. Eighteenth-century philosopher George Berkeley stated that “To be is to be perceived.” If we can’t see the change in the climate system, nor the reason why it is actually occurring, does it exist in our daily lives?

Read more: http://theconversation.com/do-you-suffer-from-climate-guilt-a-dose-of-philosophy-can-help-43522

My favourite takeaway soundbite is the following;

… Furthermore, climate is not here and now. Its only possible way to be perceived is through recognition of patterns, by computer modeling and, most importantly, through representations. …

The author of this article is Luis Fernández Carril, Faculty member at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM).

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Eugene WR Gallun
July 30, 2015 11:17 pm

“We now know climate change is anthropogenic or man-made”
We do not know that at all. All that he says derives from this unsupported premise. The man is not a philosopher but a sophist. And an inept one at that.
The major requirement for getting a university position has been that the applicant be a socialist — therefore our universities have been hiring lots and lots of stupid.
Eugene WR Gallun

AndyE
July 30, 2015 11:19 pm

“It can only be perceived by climate change models”. Yes, we are back to the Emperor’s New Clothes. This is how Hans Andersen put it :
“In the great city where he lived, life was always gay. Every day many strangers came to town, and among them one day came two swindlers. They let it be known they were weavers, and they said they could weave the most magnificent fabrics imaginable. Not only were their colors and patterns uncommonly fine, but clothes made of this cloth had a wonderful way of becoming invisible to anyone who was unfit for his office, or who was unusually stupid.”.
Now when will we hear a little boy piping up??

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 31, 2015 12:19 am

“If we can’t see the change in the climate system, nor the reason why it is actually occurring, does it exist in our daily lives? ”
The 12th century philosopher William of Ockham had something to say about that, I seem to remember.

Steve C
July 31, 2015 12:20 am

I’m pleased to sy that my Philosophy degree was of great assistance to me when a friend put cash on the table for anyone who could show him “how this CAGW works”. If there’s one thing a credentialled philosopher enjoys, it’s shredding bad arguments based on falsehoods, so within a very short time another “sceptic” was born – me.
So yes, “a dose of Philosophy”, as they call it, really did help me deal with any “climate guilt” I might have been tempted into. Accordingly, I can confirm that there is exactly one true claim in their blather.

Zeke
Reply to  Steve C
July 31, 2015 12:43 am

Room for one more?
“The climate system…is a statistical construct.”

Unmentionable
July 31, 2015 1:10 am

This topic deserves a little essay. (not sure on text flood rules mod, sorry if I’ve contravened one)
Excerpt from:
Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate
Murry Salby, Page 248
8.7 THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT
“/…/ The atmosphere’s optical depth depends on its composition through radiatively active species. As described in Sec. 1.2.4, several have increased steadily during the last two centuries, inclusive of anthropogentic contributions. Presented in Fig. 8.30 is an estimate of the respective increase in greenhouse warming of the Earth’s surface during the last two centuries, inferred from proxy records of composition (Sec. 1.6.2). Carbon dioxide is greatest, increasing downwelling LW radiation by ∼1.5 Wm−2. Methane, nitrous oxide, halocarbons, and ozone are comparatively rare. Yet, together, they introduce almost as much additional warming as CO2. Collectively, these anthropogenic gases represent additional warming of the Earth’s surface of about 3 Wm−2. For reference, the additional warming introduced by a doubling of CO2 is, from Figs. 8.30 and 1.14, seen to be ∼4 Wm−2.
Offsetting the increased greenhouse warming is increased cooling of the Earth’s surface by contemporaneous changes of aerosol. Entering the energy budget through albedo, those changes have likewise been inferred, somehow, from proxy records. Supported by surface changes, the inferred changes of aerosol represent an offset of about −1.5 Wm−2.
The residual, +1.5 Wm−2, represents net warming. It is about 0.5% of the 327 Wm−2 of overall downwelling LW radiation that warms the Earth’s surface (Fig. 1.32). The vast majority of that warming is contributed by water vapor. Together with cloud, it accounts for 98% of the greenhouse effect. How water vapor has changed in relation to changes of the comparatively minor anthropogenic species (Fig. 8.30) is not known.
The additional surface warming introduced by anthropogenic increases in greenhouse gases amounts to about 75% of that which would be introduced by a doubling of CO2. Arrhenius’ estimate of 5–6◦K for the accompanying increase of surface temperature (Sec. 1.2.4) then translates into ∼4◦K. Yet, the observed change of global-mean temperature since the mid nineteenth century is only about 1 ◦K (Sec. 1.6.1). The discrepancy points to changes of the Earth-atmosphere system (notably, involving the major absorbers, water vapor and cloud) that develop in response to imposed perturbations, like anthropogenic emission of CO2.”
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So, accordingly, the total effect (inferred) is given as +1.5 Wm−2 for a total global-mean temperature rise, since the nineteenth century, of only ~1 degree C.
Even though the total, “… anthropogenic gases represent additional warming of the Earth’s surface of about 3 Wm−2. …”, for 1.5 Wm−2 of that is apparently already being negated by a global dynamic responses, in the form of albedo rise (also inferred) because the rise in surface temperature has been much lower than the overly simplistic physical theory and ensuing papers had predicted.
So if I understand the implications of the reasoning above;
In effect Salby is pointing out that the temperature rise effect from the presently increased level of CO2 (anthropogenic sourcing or no, is irrelevant, just the level or rise , so don’t get your knickers in a twist) is approximately equal to the sum of all other anthropogenic GHG inputs. Which means that the total (alleged, sorry, ‘settled’) anthropogenic EFFECT on global mean temperatures, CURRENTLY, would be approximately the same as having doubled the CO2 level, right now, above 280 PPM (read his comment, that’s what it implies).
i.e. yet only 1 degree C rise in global mean temperature has been the result measured from that EFFECT of effectively doubling long wave radiative ‘reverberation’ (downwardness) in the atmosphere. Or rather, due to risen albedo less of it needed to escape the atmoshpere than theory had expected, because less of it got in, in the first place.
Which is another way of saying; if all the other GHG components (mentioned above) had remained constant, while the additional CO2 input doubled, above even its present level, we could expect dynamically, and in practice, an increase of global mean temperature to be only about ~1.5 degrees C above 19th century levels.
So only about +0.5 degree C above the global mean temperature, of 2015. That is what the pattern seems to describe.
Given this is below or only at most eequaling the warmest periods of global mean temperatures that we know of, during the past 10,000 years of proxy record, I struggle to call that a global environmental, nor human ‘calamity’. Not something to freak out about.
Well, unless you are a nervous neuortic dope, and your ‘philosophy’ is on the blink. So if your philosopy button isn’t working today, you’ll just have to face some basic facts and the proportions in context, and we’ll see what all the desperate climate ‘worry’ is about?
Such conditions as +1.5 C would of course continue to green and wet the planet, and aid the expansion of the biota and recovery of all species from prior cold and water stress, given a warmer atmoshere is more humid and a cooling atmoshere quickly becomes drier, due to less lattent heat of evaporation being released, and thus less rain falling (Sorry Cali, it may be about to get colder, so yet, you perhaps should forget philosopy, and actually worry if North America keep breaking cold records, like during the past 2 years).
And before you ask, yes, I think I can cope with the retreat of glaciers up mountain valleies, or them disappearing completely from some areas, I will not collapse into an emotional swoon, or crying myself to oblivion due to the tragedy of that.
So if warmers want to prance about pious high-minded smarminess, and cast mouthfuls of venom and dung at actual science publications, ice expansion reportage, and less hyperbolic and doom laden alarmist views of earth, they may wish to reflect on the fact that natural variability already matches or exceeds the in practice +1.5 C planetary eco-doom scenario. No ‘climate’, or rather, weather cycle cataclysm, to date.
In other words, even if AGW were correct, it simply doesn’t make almost any difference, except that the earth becomes even more habitable, more full of bounty, and more sufficient for virtually all species to thrive.
In fact, each previous time the planet got a bit warmish, for a bit longish, the Holocene proxy temperature record shows us that the global climate, rather than getting allegedly ‘worse’ (i.e. even warmer) it tended to plunge into a significant counter-balancing cool phase right after. i.e. to at or below the current global mean temperature, immediately after.
Given the same holocene record shows that for the past ~4,000 years earth has been sliding progressively toward a fall into the next ~125 K year glaciation cycle, it seems (to me) a global mean rise of ~1.5 degrees C would be a very welcome delay to that baked-in inevitable decline (which, as I pointed out, has been already occurring) into a much colder global mean temperature regime to come.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/greenland-ice-core-isotope-past-4000-yrs.png
Or this shows even better ~8,000 years of earth persistently cooling-down, from its interglacial peak temperatures:
http://climateaudit.org/2015/01/08/ground-truthing-marcott/comment image?w=840&h=520
But one other ‘philosophical’ thing that tends to peeve me is this continual implied or else suggested assertion that humans are not natural animals. That we are not doing ‘natural’ things. That our behaviour and technology is not a normal part and aspect of the ‘natural environment’ of this planet. Or that human environmental adaptations, to utilise any available environmental niche (i.e. including urban, suburban and rural development, is not the 100% natural product of Earths entirely naturally developed primate ancestry, doing exactly what it natural evolution and interaction on this very planet, equipped it to naturally do.
When I look out my windows and insect screens at the urban concrete, power pole transformers, high-rise, lawn sprinklers, trucks, cars, ashpalt, jets and industrial areas of my city I in fact see a 100% natural environment! It is as valid, proper and natural an evolutionary response to this earth, as any other natural response of any other animals.
Survival of the fittest means some species get displaced by competition and may even go extinct, when one species can adapt far better than the others can. That’s evolution, that’s how we naturally got this way. It is not right or wrong, there are no value judgements, there is just what works best on this earth, and humans worked best on this earth. Hence earth made us this way. Every single thing we do is the natural product of the earth’s environmental pressure to adapt or die, which thus made us into the beings we are, and made us do what we do.
Via 100% natural technology and natural material properties, and using the entirely natural features of how the cosmos is observed to operate, via utilizing our natural brain tgha evolution provided us, we became super-adaptable, vastly more adaptable than anything else by a very wide margin.
As a result we were freed to make the environmental neich e we prefer, and it just happens to be cattle feed lots, supermarkets, urban centers, and icecream. A bird makes a nest, a panda claims and bamboo stand, a lion marks a territory. That is their niche. If we intrude, we are on their menu.
While humans pour concrete and make integrated circuits. Call me old fashioned but I prefer not to be on the menu of some other animal. I vastly prefer to be an educated, sentient, the apex omnivore. I always want the odds to be stacked in my favour, for survival and maintianence of my niche, when it comes to dinner time.
I do not apologise for it, and I do not feel bad or guilty about it.
That would be totally neurotic.
No UN weirdos, I am not going to eat insects out of neurotic enviroguilt, you’re wasting oxygen via respiration which could have been used to oxidise coal to power my stove so I can have a medium steak and caesar salad with chocolate-chip icecream for desert. So enjoy your bowl of crickets, you weirdos, except you won’t, because all of you parasitic phoney’s will be eating lobster and scallops instead. Right?
Yeah, that’s right.
But if you’re merely interested in cAGW, or just panicking brainlessly about AGW, due to your misanthropic disposed enviroguilt complex that you were taught, and then you submersed yourself in voluntarily, and you’re a bit psychologically deranged due to that, or to what your school ‘teacher’, or university ‘taught’ you, or else you may consider yourself a well-balanced and wholesome enlightened being, and just want to grow you armpit hairs a bit longer and hanker for living and smelling ala ‘naturale’ in a cave, or in a twig wigwam lean-too, or as nomadic hunter-gatherer, dominating the open grasslands with your awesome woven hand-basket – well, no one’s going to stop you.
Just don’t try to force your neurosis, developmental immaturity and general inability to face facts or cope with them, on others – enjoy your crickets, more steaks for me!
However, do first take note that indigenous people everywhere seem to totally love solid-state integrated circuit technologies, flushing toilets, potable water, modern medicine, clothing, automatic front-loading washing machines and soap in a box.
As much as they love the forest, too, they still immediately tend to alter their immediate surroundings, to produce a natural village and town environmental niche, that’s more conducive to humans, i.e. to their ease, plenty and group security in which to learn, thrive and adapt in order to exploit new opportunities and mobility, or to respond effectively to any competing life forms (micro, or macro).
This is our home planet.
The planet created us, it created our capacity to thrive on this planet, and no other, we are at home, and the more we make urban environemnts optimised for humans, the more at home we feel in our niche. Earth is 100% responsible for human urban centers developing, and turning us into a stunning super-adaptive creature, who like all other animals on earth, seeks to change their immediately surrounding to better suit their needs and activites. Bower birds do it, fish do it, corals do it, and humans do it. We are just so much naturally better at it than all the other life forms.
So the greatest UN-natural act would be to be derailed us from what we are, and what we can do, via a malevolent philosophy or ideology that sough to have us convinced to pretend to be what we’re not. As that would, and certainly does, cause humans great harm and impairment.
Our super-adaptability is always extended by technology, and that has allowed us to cooperatively extend our niche into every part of earth and to thrive almost everywhere we go.
The time is approaching when we will travel to and survive in and master, and then thrive within an infinite number of niches beyond or jewel home-planet, so we are going to need and to maximise our super-adaptability capacities, and the opportunities these natural technologies produced from observing and learning to use the natural functions and process of the natural world, and wider cosmos, as our niche.
If we do not continue to be super-adaptable, and more adaptable than at present, but fall into that pit of philosophical and ideological extremist despair and doom-ism we most certainly will fail to adapt and expand our environmental niche and habitation and thus will over time simply stagnate and also go extinct.
Yes, that is an option, but I prefer the opportunities that come from using our bvrian rather than become a prisoner or doomish slavish warped ideologies of failure and misanthropy. Any ideology that seeks to demoralise us and encourage us to be something other than what this planet quite naturally made us into, or for us to fail to express full human capacity at all times, in the way evolution made it possible for us to, is inimical to being exactly the success story of this planet that we are. Such an ideology should be ignored and tossed away, with all the other rubbish.
The only thing human beings need to do in order to succeed indefinitely is to be that stunning super-adaptive animal that evolution has made us, into and to extend upon that, without any hesitation, and zero sense of faisted fake ‘ecoguilt’ mania.
The entire AGW planetary warming ultra-whinge, and all of the alleged scientific pontificating surrounding it, is just another ideology-driven time wasting speed-bump. It waxes long about effectively nothing at all of any consequence, on a necessary path to being and doing more than we currently can, and dramatically extending our 100% natural environmental niche, to far, far beyond what and where it is, right now.
I wish I could live long enough to see it, as it’s going to be utterly mind-boggling to see what we’ll be able to do in coming centuries. We have emerged from weathered rock, created by aggregations of atoms, generated in stars. Why it does that, this aggregation has no idea.
But I like it!
And I would love to see how far we can get, I would love to see human skeletons become fossilised in the sediments of other planets around other stars, and not just this one. Who knows what we will do, or what we will discover, but we sure won’t find out if we do what the ecoguilt mongering ideologues adn UN IPCC suggest, and just roll-over and stagnate into oblivion, and try to use economics of energy that simply don;t and never will work, just to save a frog, or a skink, or some fish species? As all our opportunities are impaired and frittered away?
No, screw that, human beings should be exactly what they are and nothing else ever. We evolved to be super-adaptable omnivores that accept no obstacles or false limits to creating human optimised niches in every possible location. That is us, and we need to keep doing it and begin to move off this planet, as well.
If other animals and plants wish to live in our 100% natural human-optimised environmental niches of suburbia (adn not have us on the menu!), well fine, no problem, they are very welcome. But THEY must adapt to living with US.
And they have, and they do. The urban environments outside my SiO2 window are loaded with non-human life. Cross harbour ferries were dodging whales in Sydney harbour last week and no one even harpooned it! We no longer need whale oil as an energy supply. Our technology and adaptability has moved past preying on whales and the whales survived it. Hardly the end of the world.
But they may not have survived it, if we had not continued to adapt and be humans, even as we were harvesting their oil. The very reason why the world is abundantly supplied with top predators today, like sharks and crocodiles, is a result of the fact that the global environment is so amazingly healthy, and food is so abundant. It is abundant because the planet is warmer, it is wetter, it is greener, and higher CO2 is stimulating all plant life that feeds animals.
Just a few hours ago yet another surfer was attacked by a large shark:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-31/shark-activity-unprecedented-before-attack-on-surfer-evans-head/6661856
we have an oversupply of predators, and we are on their menu hwen we go where they are. and if they come where we are, they should be on our menu. Quid Pro Quo. No philosophy involved, just prosaic survival needs.
Because the temperature and CO2 rose when the Holocene period started, human civilisation and technology finally took hold and we were able to step back from fossil-record oblivion, and created the possibility of moving into a domain of eventual infinite resources (off planet) and growing environmental niche opportunities.
How any one can then [mis]construe +1.0 C to +1.5 C warming since the mid 19th century plus a biologically extremely favourable CO2 rise and the greening of the earth, as a desperate global ‘problem’ is beyond the realm of the intellect to account for. It is a sad quasi-religious biproduct of a warped misguided misanthropic ideology that pretends the grandiose title of “green environmentalism”. But which, for some extraordinarily bizarre reason, can’t face that obvious fact, the human urban, suburban and rural settings are all 100% natural and are also green environments of earth that were created by the most amazing creature the planet and its evolutionary development ever produced. A shopping mall is as much a part of the natural environment as the coral reef I swim on. Neither is more valid than the other as an environmental niche for life. But as a human, I do prefer the shopping center at dinner time, as I’m less likely to be on the menu (and I like Thai food more than coral polyps).
Yes, I’m going to the opposing extreme above to demonstrate logical counterpoint to dismal eco-dumb-ism, so that perhaps those infected with it become aware of how they’ve been duped,a nd then duped themselves away from what they really are, and do not have to appologise for. the shark that tried to eat that surfer today is not goign to feel appologetic about it.
This allegedly “green eco-friendly” ideology and its stunningly ignorant fixation on carbon, as a ‘pollutant’, or rather, as a boggieman, and human global civilisation as a planetary ‘calamity’, painting it as merely a “great extinction”, is the product of wilfully deranged people, who can not see the forest for the trees, and are in denial of what they really are, and how they came to be, and what they need to do from here.
Hence their ideology is one of dissipation and doomism, it’s what they will not actually ‘save us’ from, but are in fact intent on creating. The only reason why such people can eat and remain alive today is because other humans were true to themselves and decided to act exactly like humans. Unfortunately this also allowed the useless time-wasting whining misanthropic deranged feral greenie riff-raff to survive, and thrive, parasitically, too.
Banning an ideology is of course not the way, as censorship is always the producer of worse outcomes. But pointing out what green enviroguilt is and how prejudiced, biased and bent its ideology implicitly is, against human beings, should be called-out for the shameless sham and deliberate attempt to impair and damage all future human beings.
They seek to blacken and denigrate humanity and deny us our natural developmental and mental capacity to exhibit and express what we are and be what we are, just like any other natural animal does. When sharks harm surfers, do they construct a global campaign to reform sharks, or turn them into seaweed eaters? No, it’s the human’s fault for ending up on the menu, and a human should not defend itself or mitigate the hazard via threatening the shark’s range and survivability in return. Whatever.
Every eco-mistake humans have made, as a global civilisation, has been something we’ve learned from or are still learning from. We do not deserve opprobrium from the high an ideologically smarmy, as our super-adaptability implicitly requires that we will learn from experiences and adapt to all such errors, as a natural matter of course of getting better at super-adapting!
So where is the need for our ecoguilt?
A super-adaptable creature can not possibly be ‘guilty’ of anything! It is doing what it must, and simply being what it is! Just as the shark is being what it is, and just looking for a bite. Learning involves errors, and their self-correction. We are all learninf from this. Were is the need or justification for some butthole to try and condemn human beings, per-sec, and create ideologies of misanthropy and doom because, of orrdinary natural error making and self-correction to do things better? The whole thing eco-loons go on with is quite rediculous, and AGW is a complete nonsense.
The only thing that continually seeks to foist fake guilt on to us for things we have not done wrong, or even done at all, is religion! We’re innocent, we always have be, we can do not ‘wrong’, for there is no wrong in survival, except to become lunch. If we are true to what we are, we can not go ‘wrong’. We don’t need a philosophy, an ideology, a neo-religion of eco-doom saviours and prophets to tell us what to do, nor what we should be, nor to be tutored in ideological ‘rights’, from ideological ‘wrongs’. There is no such thing! We can not do right, or wrong, we can only do what we do, and it is evolutionary life processing that has made exactly what we are, the most correct thing for us to be. Let’s just be us, eh? Super adaptability means getting better and better at adapting, and continually opening up new environmental niche opportunites, for us, and for other animals.
Any ideology calling itself science, from an ideological bent, by definition most certainly is not science. All eco ideology that seeks to smear and diminish and impair or discourage humans from being what they are is our enemy, it should be seen for what it is, challenged where it pops up and the people peddling it encouraged to grow up, shut up or get lost.
In December this year in Paris, a congregation of such misanthropic malevolent ‘eco-friend’ parasites, are going to try to take another lunge at the global public purse, to steal more public money, and usurp more political power, and legislative law-making to oppress and dictate, using the totally hysterical false pretences of AGW warming (+1.5 C at the most) backed by make believe ideological pseudo-science within the physical global context of 18 years of flat global mean temperature trends, punctuated by weather cycles, around that mean level. We had 18 years of warmign from 1980 to 1998, the 18 years of almost no warming at all, and massive numbers of new coldest minimum records in north America since 2013. Hardly an AGW calamity. No ‘change’, and no crisis, but they plan to conjure up a thermal catastrophe, and pretend it’s “totally real”, except the data says its a phantom, constructe from the noise of weather cycles.
I’m not itererested in getting political. I also don’t want to get ideological, or philosophical, nor AGW-religious. I don’t wish to play in their pig-sty of rank propaganda at all.
Just stick to the known facts and explain how small to almost undetectable the alleged dramatic ‘change’ is. That it is weather cycles, and not ‘climate-change’ that is doing the changing here.
Then point out the massively beneficial aspects of such almost but not quite undetectable and imperceptible climate-changes over the past 150 years.
Just the facts – but all of them! No appologies for being what we are! As That approach always wins in the end. The facts and events will win the pubic over, and politicians that do not respond to the public, and to reality, will not survive election. Any policy, agreement, pledge or legislation can be overthrown, and tossed-out. Remember the case of Australia’s carbon tax. It was totally useless, impairing, ideological, counterproductive, so was rejected by the vast majority of people. Almost no one with a working brain wanted it. Their propaganda all failed. And the current Government would have been demolished if they didn’t deliver on carbon tax reversal. Anything politicians ‘agree’ to in december can be quickly reversed, so never accept the illusion of ‘inevitability’ that they are trying to conjure.
They will fail again.
If you steal from the public purse to harm our future potential in Paris you will be blamed for it and held responsible, and we will make sure the public understand all the facts and the heist you’ve tried to pull on them.

Reply to  Unmentionable
July 31, 2015 3:17 am

Well written! I totally agree with you, when I first stared reading your post, I thought it was Lord Monckton writing under a pen-name until, I saw the word “knickers” which is not a word I can imagine Christopher using. Having read Eric’s excellent post about this I think there is only one phrase to describe the providers and recipients of this psychobabble; Pathetic and patronising.
Personally I would deal with it in the same way as I would deal with a child or someone with special needs whom I had just read a Hans Christian Andersen story to, who was terrified; tell them it is just a story!

Admad
Reply to  andrewmharding
July 31, 2015 3:49 am

Unmentionable – wow. Just wow. This should be elevated to a full posting (given a little proof-reading) and reblogged far and wide. Respect to you sir/madam.

PiperPaul
Reply to  andrewmharding
July 31, 2015 10:12 am

Note that right at the top of Unmentionable’s post it is noted:
Exerpt from:
Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate
Murry Salby, Page 248

It is some great paragraphs, and undoubtedly why the climateers hate Salby so much.

H.R.
Reply to  Unmentionable
July 31, 2015 9:29 am

Unmentionable, July 31, 2015 at 1:10 am, wrote in part:

And I would love to see how far we can get, I would love to see human skeletons become fossilised in the sediments of other planets around other stars, and not just this one.

I really like that long, long, long view. I think that would be fantastic, too.
In my opinion, humans have caught up with cockroaches; we cannot go extinct unless the world undergoes something that would also wipe out the cockroaches. There will be a certain percent of homo-handymanus-commonsense-icus that will survive anything short of a 1/16-earthsize asteroid strike. Surviving Climate Change? Pfft! Piffle. Easy peasy.
But humans can lose (and have lost) technology to the point where it takes many, many generations to regain what was lost and then begin to advance again technologically. I can only hope that we get a few of our kind launched off to other planets before our ‘elite betters’* totally scotch our current levels of technology and civilization.
There are too many ‘do-gooder elite betters’** out there and we can’t watch all of them all of the time.*** One of them is going to get loose and cut civilization’s blue wire someday – to save the planet,**** of course – and as we all know from watching TV, never cut the blue wire.
* I’m not dripping disgust and disdain. It’s more of a Niagara Falls of disgust and disdain.
** Help me out of a disgust/disdain jam here; what comes after Niagara Falls?
*** Who is keeping an eye on Ted Turner? My day is Thursday. Who’s covering the other days?
**** Oh, and maybe generate staggering wealth for them as a small reward for their efforts on behalf of all of us little people, but that’s just an afterthought. Oh! Oh! And absolute power… yes, absolute power.

Unmentionable
Reply to  H.R.
July 31, 2015 10:11 am

Hilarious. Thank you. 😀

Terence Ryan
Reply to  Unmentionable
July 31, 2015 11:55 am

A wave of relief washed over me as I read this! I am not alone! The way humanity is treated like some alien invader sickens me. When did we lose our pride in what we have accomplished and our drive to do better? I lift my glass to you! (A glass full of fine Kentucky Bourbon, by the way, something that MAN made!)

Dav09
Reply to  Unmentionable
August 1, 2015 9:53 pm

“We have emerged from weathered rock, created by aggregations of atoms, generated in stars. Why it does that, this aggregation has no idea.”
This aggregation says, although HOW it did that is a perfectly valid line of inquiry, the WHY is simply: if it hadn’t , the question would be moot. To paraphrase (from memory) Freud: the moment one begins to further belabour the WHY, one is sick.

July 31, 2015 1:14 am

Do you suffer from climate guilt? Make like lemming!

Evan Jones
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July 31, 2015 3:34 am

Well, I minored n philosophy and I think we have minor climate change. Does that count?

Admad
July 31, 2015 3:51 am

Unmentionable – wow. Just wow. This comment should be raised to a full posting and re-blogged far and wide. Respect to you sir/madam.

July 31, 2015 4:11 am

“If you believe that elves make the rain, then every time it rains you will see proof of elves.” -Ariex
If you are taught that man-made CO2 causes catastrophes, then every climate disaster will seem like proof of CAGW.

Reply to  Johanus
July 31, 2015 8:15 am

Stegosaurus sat in a swamp, up to his neck in a green goo, and thought.
It so happened that an earthquake began at that time.
“I think, therefore Earth quakes!” — concluded stegosaurus.
Reminds me of Mach’s principle.

Walt D.
July 31, 2015 5:16 am

Global Warming is a religion – you see what you believe.

emsnews
July 31, 2015 6:05 am

So, computers are climate? HAHAHA.

PaulH
July 31, 2015 6:17 am

“People cannot engage in something they cannot see or feel”
Wait a minute… We’ve been told for years that the impact of global warming/climate change/global weirding/etc. would be devastating. Simultaneous floods, droughts, infestations, climate refugees and on and on. Obviously these menaces are going to be seen and felt, except they only exist in computer models where, fortunately, real people do not live.

Reply to  PaulH
July 31, 2015 8:17 am

Don’t know about others but I can engage in thought. Sometimes.

Bruce Cobb
July 31, 2015 7:41 am

You need Greenie religion to “see” climate change. The Greenie religion also offers salvation for “climate guilt”, particularly for those living in richer countries. You just have to Believe.

Jpatrick
July 31, 2015 8:01 am

Using philosophy as a vehicle to deliver propaganda is an insult to any thinking person.

July 31, 2015 8:02 am

If you had any doubts
Then this will now clear them,
Are these people safe?
Should we now fear them?
Do the men in white coats
Need to take them away?
Of sheer climate lunacy
An unequalled display!

logos_wrench
July 31, 2015 8:07 am

According to item #2 someone needs something other than philosophy. How ironic someone would suggest something that actually means Love of Wisdom / Knowledge and use that to cope with fantasy /stupidity.
Hilarious.

July 31, 2015 8:22 am

I always notice that palms of Thinker’s hands are way too big.
Also, Rodin forgot to place a float bowl behind Thinker’s back!

Bruce Cobb
July 31, 2015 8:30 am

Al Gore “sees” climate change every time he looks at his bank account.

n.n
July 31, 2015 9:56 am

A Phantom Warming syndrome.

Gary Pearse
July 31, 2015 10:47 am

I guess we might as well try philosophy. All other methods to detect climate change have failed, even when exaggerated. Ya know, maybe, just maybe it isn’t actually there. Surely the burden is on proponents to make it more ‘visible’ than mind games with philosophy. I think psychiatry might be a better angle for those having guilt over something we haven’t been able to detect!

July 31, 2015 10:55 am

Welcome to the nether world. You cannot see it or touch it, just believe me it’s true. Don’t worry just follow me and everything will be alright. Like an Indonesian Wayang puppet show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhako7hfN2Y. Such as the puppet show Americans have been watching for the current terms past 6+ years of government.

NoFixedAddress
July 31, 2015 12:28 pm

So they are delusional fantasists?

Joel Snider
July 31, 2015 12:36 pm

Well, once you destroy God as a means of social control, you had to fill the void of Catholic guilt with something.

Paul Courtney
July 31, 2015 1:10 pm

And we skeptics think we’ve got it rough? Imagine the dedicated Warm*ista, spending his career and all that grant money stoking guilt in the gullible, only to see some philosopher spoil it all by saying something stupid like “accept your guilt”! When working up a good mass hysteria with a hockey stick, the last thing you want is some damn do-gooder calming everybody down.

Alx
July 31, 2015 1:40 pm

the climate system is something rather abstract, a statistical construct

Talk about delusional.
No the climate system is not a “statistical construct”, climate science is a “statistical construct”.

we now know climate change is anthropogenic, or man-made…

Forget about philosophy, lets go straight to the psychology; you have to have a God complex to say something like that. God complex is defined as unshakable beliefs supported only by inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, arrogance and infallibility.

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