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Naomi Klein has been invited to attend a top level conference at the Vatican, to advise leaders how to fight climate change and dismantle capitalism.
According to The Guardian;
Naomi Klein and Cardinal Peter Turkson are to lead a high-level conference on the environment, bringing together churchmen, scientists and activists to debate climate change action. Klein, who campaigns for an overhaul of the global financial system to tackle climate change, told the Observer she was surprised but delighted to receive the invitation from Turkson’s office.
“The fact that they invited me indicates they’re not backing down from the fight. A lot of people have patted the pope on the head, but said he’s wrong on the economics. I think he’s right on the economics,” she said, referring to Pope Francis’s recent publication of an encyclical on the environment.
Release of the document earlier this month thrust the pontiff to the centre of the global debate on climate change, as he berated politicians for creating a system that serves wealthy countries at the expense of the poorest.
Activists and religious leaders will gather in Rome on Sunday, marching through the Eternal City before the Vatican welcomes campaigners to the conference, which will focus on the UN’s impending climate change summit.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/pope-climate-change-naomi-klein
The madness of this latest development, is Capitalism is the single most important factor which has made the wealth of rich countries possible. Dismantling Capitalism would not make poor countries rich, it would make rich countries poor.
As for non capitalist societies being better stewards of the environment, what a busted myth that is – if you want to see truly horrific levels environmental destruction, you need look no further than the old anti-capitalist Soviet Union, which is now practically a byword for pollution, inefficient use of resources, and environmental degradation.
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The world is headed for climate crisis alright–a crisis of climate science driven by government and advocacy science in the complete absence of fact checking and science process for model evaluation. It’s fast approach runaway advocacy science.
I wonder how long it’ll take before Naomi Klein chafes against the Catholic Church’s gender inequality in management roles, stance against abortion, stance against contraception, stance against gay marriage?
Or will she hold her nose and help enable that organization to continue its socially Conservative agenda by providing them the new tools of fear and guilt (oh, Lord, forgive us our Carbon Sins), and inspire yet another new generation of guilt-driven Catholics.
I find it hilarious.
This pope is a disgusting liar, in my humble opinion. Yes, disgusting.
Not to mention a money grabbing hypocrite.
What’s five thousand people in St Peter’s square anyway? Most of them were tourists?
There is plenty of money being spread around to sponsor these kinds of events and who is furnishing this money?
I am Roman Catholic. Mostly non-practicing, but Roman Catholic nonetheless. One of the last remaining reasons why I still considered myself an RC, is that I respected how the church always stood its ground. It considered issues long and hard, then made its carefully considered statements on the given topic then stood its ground.
Now, it made a couple of mistakes, but have eventually admitted to one, the Galileo incident. I can live with that. Then there is their stand on woman in the Church, which makes sense in the context of societal norms 2015 years ago, but makes no sense today. But, I can live with that, with the expectation that someday the Church will get it right.
What I can’t live with, is the Church making statements that skirt the truth like the encyclical does. When they make statements that are technically correct, such as (paraphrased) “many scientists believe that CO2 causes CAGW”, which then implies and supports the obviously completely incorrect conclusion that CO2 does actually cause CAGW, then I have a problem. This is willful ignorance.
The Church should have examined all the sides of the issue thoroughly. There is no reason why they could not do that and have seriously done their homework. But I believe that they know both sides of the issue, and chose to go with what they know to be a lie. To me this is willful ignorance. The Church has willfully chosen to join in a major and obvious lie.
That I cannot live with. Regardless what they expect to gain in terms of supposed “social justice”. A lie is a lie. And that lie has harmed and will continue to do harm to people, the rich and poor alike.
I have to say, that I will never return to the Roman Catholic Church.
Terry,
The political import is enormous. The theological significance is miniscule. The Church is made of of flawed people, like every other institution, family, and organization. There are a collection of highly flawed people steering the CO2=evil bandwagon and since this is such an obvious lie, the truth will come out, eventually. There are MANY within the Church who have,are and will continue to speak out on this central issue. You ought to contribute to the pressure to ensure that the CO2 = growth ideas prevails.
WRT to theological side, this letter is just an encyclical, and theologically is carries no special weight that will stand the test of time in terms of it teaching.
So you are battling with your political desires and your desire that the bishops, priests, and the Pope will align with your thinking on an array of issues. They never will. There will always be a gap between the what some in the church hierarchy think and what you think. Desiring thousands of people to abide by your opinion ( mine too ) is a waste of your good will and precious time.
The church, as a whole, is not particularly blameworthy. Neither is Francis for that matter. He is just listening to the dominant world view. I don’t and you don’t believe it to be true. But most scientific organizations have come out to support the view that CO2 is the boogyman.
The problem is that the Church is popular and influential and when it goes against your desires you are ticked off. So your natural response is try to diminish its influence by leaving in protest and making a public statement to that effect. You are not hurting it. You are just angry and rightfully so. They just became very popular amongst an alien crowd. I suggest you write thoughtful and polite letters to your priest, your bishop and the Pope, your friends etc and explain where the error is most visible.
You obviously understand the issue. It seems to me that you need to take the most potent action. That is by you undermining the CO2 = evil concept. I suspect you could be very effective if you chose to do so.
Do not fight windmills, or run from them. Walk in the front door, and carefully jab a crowbar into the gears.
‘The church, as a whole, is not particularly blameworthy. Neither is Francis for that matter. He is just listening to the dominant world view.”
The problem is the lack of critical intelligence operating at the highest level and, more important, the lack of awareness that the conditions for critical intelligence within the Pope’s advisers have not been met. The Pope and his advisers should know that throwing in with Naomi Klein shows that they are operating beyond their ability to understand the situation.
I am not an advocate of the Pontifical Academy for Science, but the PAS is constituted by Nobel Laureates and thought leaders in science and climate science. Their credentials are beyond reproach. The problem is not their intelligence, or credentials. They are smart and scholarly. The problem is that they are also humans with axes to grind. They are willing to subvert their own credentials to achieve a social objective. How is the Pope to know when the PAS is perverting the underlying science, especially when the PAS is in agreement with the Royal Society and the American Physical Society?
Despite all that street cred, here we are, you AND me both, shouting at windmills.
Hello, this is not Tom J writing this. This is God writing this. I have merely entered Tom J’s body because I need a physical form in which to write this.
Now, I know what your all thinking. You’re wondering why, in God’s name (I use that phrase too), out of all the human bodies a supreme cosmic being could choose to enter, why that being would make such a pathetic choice as to enter Tom J’s body? Well, I’m wondering that too. But, I’ll let all of you in on a little known (and probably shocking to you) secret. You see, even Gods can make big mistakes too.
And speaking of mistakes, one day I’m going to have to apologize to Tom J for the body I gave him. I mean erectile dysfunction, impotency, irritable bowel syndrome, acid reflux, jock itch, warts, athlete’s foot, sinusitis, periodontal disease, and vertigo were a bit much. I’ll try not to make so many mistakes next time.
Oh, and I’d also like to apologize to Tom J for having given him that older sister. I’m truly sorry, but in my defense I have to say that there really was no other way to get rid of Mephistopheles.
But I did not descend from the heavens to apologize to Tom J. No, I came down to apologize to all of you. Like I said, I can make mistakes from time to time. And I just made a whopper. A real big time, mega whopper. A mistake big enough for me to enter a human body (I’ll make a better choice next time) so as to assume physical form in which to communicate this mother of all mistakes to you.
I sent you an absolute dufus as a pope.
I am truly sorry. But what can I say? I truly f’d up.
Well ok then. But be more careful next time. You are supposed to be a Supreme Being after all.
They will need a lot of wealth transfers to save Italy in the wake of Greek collapse and financial contagion.
You know…. you may be more correct than anyone here on this…I can see the coming financial crisis burying this issue. The Greeks are hoarding food! That is going to spread world wide. Then? All of our CAGW worries will melt away. Like prohibition in the 1920s prior to the crash. And the collapse of the German-Anglo monarchies/families post WWII. We are often overtaken by circumstances.
A snap shot of European markets today….note the percentage losers.
Europe
Europe Dow 1814.05 -54.41 -2.91%
Stoxx Europe 600 386.17 -10.68 -2.69%
France: CAC 40 4869.82 -189.35 -3.74%
Germany: DAX 11083.20 -409.23 -3.56%
Italy: FTSE MIB 22569.95 -1230.52 -5.17%
Spain: IBEX 35 10853.90 -518.40 -4.56%
UK: FTSE 100 6620.48 -133.22 -1.97%
The DOW ended up the day down about 2.5% as well.
Tomorrow is going to be interesting.
If popey-boy wants to be a Communist, why didn’t the Church join with the USSR? Ah, yes, because Commies in general hate the Catholic Church. Same goes for Greens. They may be spiritual dudes, but in my experience they are more likely to be Pagan than Catholic.
These three disparate cults are simply made for each other – but my prediction is that their marriage will be short.
R
hello
good bye
Pope recruits Naomi Klein to fight Climate Change and Capitalism
fight climate change
” Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness “( Exodus 23:1)
fight capitalism
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house…..nor anything that is thy neighbours “(Exodus 20-17)
Good Advice here even for the leader of the flock.
Malthusians
I’d like to die a Catholic
With a life of no compunction,
But with all these closet Marxists
Who will give me extreme unction;
I deny there’s global warming
The real thermometers don’t lie,
Let’s see the readings of the great
Meteorologist in the sky.
The atheistic Schellnhuber
Wrote the Green Encyclical,
Made sure no climate realists
Showed his science was farcical;
He would stop the masses breeding
The lower classes he would bilk,
Like his Nazi hero Malthus
He would not wish it on his ilk.
For years it has been obvious
The Roman Church is in decline,
To stop the rot His Holiness
Has now turned to Naomi Klein;
A well known Jewish Communist
Who spouts the parables of Marx,
This Pope should be preaching gospels
Known as John, Matthew Luke and Marks’
The Master Plan is completed
With all the major players on board,
‘we must make the whole world equal’
With energy we can’t afford;
We must stop the world evolving
Lets kick away the lowest rung,
Make sure the poor of Africa
Continue cooking with dried dung.
Patrick
Healy
What the world needs more of is papal learnings, not papal “teachings.”
rogerknight
Define” papal learnings “as it applies to global warming
Reading Climate Change: The Facts” would do for a start.
And not banning the one skeptical voice, a bigshot French scientist, from a big Vatican get-together a month or two ago would also have been nice.
The pope isn’t misled. He is a headstrong biz-basher who sees, in the climate change issue, a chance to score a point against his bete noir. He is very imprudent, which will devalue the authority of his office, in time.
Oops–I failed to close the italics after “The Facts”.
rogerknights commented
He’ll fit right in with those 99% Wall St basher’s, the Lib’s and the Green’s, oh except for their rabid anti-Religious streak. What strange bedfellows, hey I wonder if the recent SCOTUS decision makes all of that all legal and stuff?
The pope’s visit to his soul-buddy Castro (prior to his visit to the US) will reveal his true colors to many who don’t realize his essential unsoundness.
I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but Naomi Klein uses the ethnicity, gender and latitude of subjects as a method for evaluating the legitimacy of their views. To put it bluntly, she plays the race card. In 2011, in The Nation, she wrote “conservative white men” denied climate change because of who they are. In this article on the Observer/Guardian website, she says that they can’t accept a challenge from the “south” (a Pope from Argentina, and a cardinal from Ghana). I hope Joanne Nova writes about this, because she should get extra points for being female, and from even further south than Argentina.
Rogerknight
You are describing more the Popes ‘character’ as you see him rather than his ” learnings .” I thought you were referring more to his Papal wisdom as a pope .
I have heard more than one person say, “if climate change were real then politicians and the pope wouldn’t have to promote it”. I think the more warmists push climate change more people doubt it.
Ralph, didn’t you know that Climate Change is a complicated topic, you at least need a degree out of a cracker jacks box to understand it, everyone else should just take the “specialists” word on it.
micro6500 – Sorry I forgot.
Ralph Kramden
I think the reason for all this recent global warming alarmism is that their zero hour in Paris is fast approaching where immense dollar( $100 billion dollars plus) commitments are being claimed from the developing countries . They all want to get a share of all this free money. If the free world just caves in and gives all this free money , look for loss of national freedoms and personal freedoms next. Greece is just the start.
Robin Hood Governance
But it was the Sheriff of Nottingham who went around collecting the Taxes
Unfortunately the Pope’s latest encyclical on climate change reflects the same unproven alarmism that has already been shown on this blog to be quite flawed. The use of words like SOLID SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS , DISTURBING WARMING, INCREASE IN EXTREME WEATHER, CONCENTRATION OF GREENHOUSE GASES …RELASED MAINLY AS A RESULT OF HUMAN ACTIVITY , VICIOUS CARBON CYCLE , CARBON DIOXIDE POLLUTION, , EXTRA ORDINARY CLIMATE CHANGE , MELTING OF POLAR ICE CAPS , UN PRECEDENTED DESRUCTION OF ECOSYSTEMS , RISE IN SEA LEVELS indicates that the selected words seem to be identical to the ones used by the alarmist rather than a balanced analysis by the Vatican..
Even more troublesome is that limiting the use of fossil fuels to the poor countries has exactly the opposite effect that that he wants . It keeps the poor nations from having less expensive fuel for energy and cooking and they are forced to continue to burn and destroy their forest just to survive.
By throwing his lot in with the alarmists he just exasperates the situation and failed to present a more balanced picture of the climate problem and the many uncertainties that still exist There is an equal if not greater possibility that the next 30 years could see global cooling as already experienced in North America since 2005
He claims that the climate is a common good but he clearly throws his lot in not with the poor and destitute who lack cheap energy
“he just exasperates the situation”
exacerbates
I believe he was right the first time.
rogerknights
I used and meant ” exasperates “, meaning to aggravate.. Exacerbate is just another synonym.
Humans are exasperated, situatios are exacerbated, typically.
Pope Francis is coming out of the closet as a card-carrying socialist. He buys into the now discredited “liberation theology” that sees all capitalism as bad. He’s a bad pope and a worse shepherd…he should be spending his time preaching the Gospel and stop wasting his time on issues of which he hasn’t a clue.
The watermelon Pope.