By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Recently my lovely wife and I visited a hotbed of British totalitarianism, Anglia Ruskin “University” at Cambridge, to gather evidence for the courts in connection with a death threat that the “University” and one of its students had made against me in the form of a widely-publicized tombstone with my name on it, under the hate-speech slogan “Lest We Forget Those Who Denied”. I should explain that there are two universities at Cambridge: the real one, my own alma mater, which tops the league-table of Britain’s 133 universities, and Anglia Ruskin, a jumped-up polytechnic which, from what we saw of it, ranks about 250th out of 133.
Anglia Ruskin “University” suffers from an identity crisis. So its public relations people recently spent some taxpayers’ money buying advertising signs at Cambridge railway station, which, like the “University”, is 1½ miles from approaching a real University. These hilarious signs have done much to damage what little reputation the joke “University” may have had.
Sure enough, in a dusty corner of a grubby gallery on a tatty campus (why do grime and the hard Left have such an affinity for one another?) stood the tombstone on which the “artist”, a student to whom the “University” had awarded a prize for it, had engraved my name and those of five other British climate skeptics:
Ø Christopher Booker of the Sunday Telegraph, the world’s best regularly-published climate-skeptic columnist in any mainstream news medium;
Ø James Delingpole, who has transformed Breitbart London into the news website that everyone in Britain wants to read;
Ø Melanie Phillips, the redoubtable and always trenchant Daily Mail columnist, writing for the only daily paper that regularly reports how much nonsense global warming is;
Ø Lord Lawson of Blaby, Margaret Thatcher’s former Finance Minister, and founder of the authoritative Global Warming Policy Foundation; and
Ø Owen Paterson, the affable squire who, like most country folk, does not believe a word of the urban-myth cargo-cult doctrine of global warming, and is a former Secretary of State for the Environment.
Now, to put a victim’s name on a tombstone while the victim is still alive is to make a death threat, the nastiest and most repellent form of hate speech. If the tombstone had been erected anywhere in Scotland rather than on a manifestly dysfunctional campus in England, I could have had Professor Michael Thorne, the “University’s” Vice Chancellor, tried, fined, and bound over not to repeat that or any suchlike offense.
Professor Thorne had caused or permitted a press release to be issued, promoting this unspeakable death threat. The release explained that the tombstone bore the words “Lest we forget those who denied”. The implication was that, if we were not already dead, the “artist” and the “University” that promoted his “work” would very soon see to it that we were.
Indeed, the press release reinforced the threat in several unpleasant ways. Like the tombstone, it used the word “denier” or its derivatives – and did so five times in a single page. The intent of this hate-speech word, banned throughout Scotland by the law against threatening communications, is to compare climate change “deniers” with Holocaust deniers.
It mattered not to the Vice Chancellor, nor to the “artist”, that I do not deny the existence of climate change, which has, after all, been happening for 6000 or 4.5 billion years, depending on your point of view. I do not even deny that Man may have some as yet unquantified but probably insignificant and even net-beneficial influence on the climate.
Indeed, I have recently published with three distinguished colleagues – Dr Willie Soon, Professor David Legates and Dr Matt Briggs – a scientific paper making that fact quite plain. It’s well worth a read. Go to scibull.com, click on “Most Read Articles”, and ours is the all-time no. 1 in the 60-year archive of the Science Bulletin of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
Please download it now from scibull.com, and get all your friends to do the same. The more the Science Bulletin’s own ticker for our paper counts up, the more it will be realized that the scientific viewpoint we represent – the technical term for it is “the objective truth” – is widely supported.
The mere truth, however, did not stand in the way of the “University” or of the “artist”, who is recorded in the “University’s” press release as having said: “With this work [work?] I envisage a time when the deliberate denial of climate change will be seen as a crime because it hinders progress towards a low carbon future.” Kill them, kill them all!
To make the air of menace worse, “Dr” Aled Jones, the director of the “Global” “Sustainability” “Institute” at the “University”, said the “sculpture could be viewed in decades to come as a monument to a period of history that saw scientific knowledge battle to be heard above political ideologies.”
In the context, what this numpty meant was that climate “deniers” like me, even though our detailed and legitimate scientific objections to the climate scam have been reviewed and published in the Science Bulletin (have you and all your friends downloaded our paper from scibull.com yet?) and many learned journals, were mere political ideologues, while totalitarian true-believers like him, with little knowledge of and no interest in the scientific truth, were the sole repository of “scientific knowledge”.
In fact it is the other way about.
Every so often, I decide not to do what a couple of the other names on the tombstone did. I decided not to laugh it off. A death threat is a death threat. It is no laughing matter.
I have recently been reading Richards’ masterly three-volume history of the Third Reich. The first volume deals with the perplexing question how that monstrous regime came to be. And it is plain that the long, relentless campaign of intimidation by the Nazis of their opponents, with name-calling and death threats very similar to that perpetrated by the “University” and by all too many others over the past ten years, was an essential part of the process.
Most people laughed off the Nazi threats, at first. In Britain and in many other countries, full-on appeasement followed, in the hope that looking the other way would make the threats vanish.
It didn’t work. Tens of millions died because too few – the few including such honorable and courageous men as Popes Pius XI and XII and Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich – openly spoke out against the terror. Too many, including Britain and most European governments, went along with it and tried to appease it until it was suddenly too late.
The Nazis then, like their irrational, unlearned, hate-filled ideological successors at the “University” today, meant what they said. They killed those they had said they would kill.
So my clerk wrote to the Vice Chancellor, listing a couple of dozen previous instances, all of them in the past decade, where death threats and demands for trial, imprisonment and execution had been made, very publicly, against climate skeptics. This is by no means an isolated or exceptional incident. There is an increasingly dangerous pattern to it.
I also wrote to the police and the procurator fiscal in Edinburgh, warning them that if the “University” did not remove the press release from the web and the tombstone from the gallery I should expect them to prosecute the internet service providers who were carrying the threat into Scotland.
The “University’s” first instinct was to call in the shysters who are always willing, if paid enough, to come to the defense even of the nastiest totalitarian bullies. In this case, the shysters were Anderson Strathern LLP, of Glasgow. Don’t use them, ever, for any purpose. For they pretended there was no connection between the phrase “climate change denier” and “Holocaust denier” – though all they had to do was to Google the two terms together to see just how deliberate and how widespread that connection is. And they said the “University” had “no proposals to make”.
By then, however, the police and the Fiscal were in the picture, so the “University” found it expedient to ignore its shysters and to come to its senses. The press release has been removed from the web, both by the “University” and by another Cambridge website that had unwisely reproduced it. And the tombstone is now gone too.
The poisonous air of palpable menace remains. Dr Roger Pielke Jr., a scientist who has taken a gently sceptical view on some aspects of the climate question, has recently announced that he can no longer conduct climate research, because he fears for the safety of himself and his family.
No doubt many more scientists would have spoken out by now against the totalitarian profiteers of doom who are doing so much to destroy not only the economy but also the freedom of the West.
As the danger that an unelected world government will be inflicted upon us at the Paris climate summit this December draws ever closer, we are expecting more such malevolent attacks by the environmentalist Sturmabteilung. But we shall not be deterred by totalitarian thuggery. We shall continue to speak the truth as best we can discern it, whether today’s Nazis like it or not.
And if you are tempted to cite Godwin’s “Law” to the effect that he who calls his opponents Nazis has lost the argument, let me cite Monckton’s Law in return: those who cite Godwin’s Law confirm ipso facto that they are active supporters of today’s Fascists.
Whatever you do, don’t send your daughter to Anglia Ruskin “University”. And don’t ever send it so much as a dime. It is an unworthy institution. Send the money to Cambridge University (above) instead. We’re the real thing. We’ll put it to good and proper use: the advancement not of crude, Fascist propaganda but of learning.
I might have been tempted to leave the matter there, given that the “University” had had the sense to take down its press release and, eventually, the tombstone too. However, the shysters’ letter indicates a cast of mind I don’t like the smell of. I’m preparing a detailed report for the police in Cambridge, for under English law the tombstone and the press release together constitute – at minimum – conduct likely to cause a breach of the Queen’s peace, contrary to s.1, Justices of the Peace Act 1361, the most commonly-cited provision of English criminal law in the magistrates’ courts.
I’m going to have these wretches prosecuted: not the student, who is manifestly not adult enough to understand the seriousness of what he has done, nor even the dreadful “Dr” Aled Jones, who is arguably too blinded by Marxist prejudice and too ignorant of the true science behind the climate scam to think rationally at all.
But an outfit that describes itself, however implausibly, as a “University” ought at least to have made some attempt to behave like one, and not to have made death threats by way of press releases. It should have kept the peace. Now it will reap the whirlwind.
Ø This is an extended and illustrated version of my regular and unmissable Monday column at wnd.com. Click “Opinion”, then “Commentator line-up”.
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Go get ’em. 🙂
Indeed. Monckton is one of a kind. Hats off for fighting back.
The work is made of plywood so what it will be used for next in order to demonstrate its sustainability is an interesting question. Answers on a postcard….
The artist appears to have imagination and some talent. It would be good if he used it in a less intimidating manner. The artist is presumably young and naïve and has been indoctrinated with a one sided view of climate change. He will be affected by police action. How about he publically apologises and agrees to listen to sceptical arguments as an alternative?
The University ought to know better however and can not promote this sort of nonsense. I note that any legal action is going to be aimed directly at them.
tonyb
Climatereason: The student ‘artist’ is probably the kind of student who will switch to PPE, get a job as a researcher for an MP and then advise some aspiring politician to carve his election promises in stone. Oh, that’s already been done…?
In response to Climatereason, I’m going to keep the student out of this. In general, I support freedom of speech and of artistic endeavour, as well as the right of the young to be foolish without undue penalty. He has wished me harm, but I do not wish him harm. For who can say they did not transcend the bounds of taste and decency when young?
The “University”, however, is a different kettle of noisome fish. It’s press release was unacceptable ind unlawful. It will face trial. It will lose. It will learn. Peace will be restored.
IIRC the ‘student’ is a ‘mature’ student – in his forties?
http://ww2.anglia.ac.uk/ruskin/en/home/faculties/alss/deps/csoa/csoa_news/sustainability_prize_2014.html
He won 3rd prize for the same competition in 2014 – see pic at link, his beard looks a bit too grey for a callow youth.
Indeed, show then no mercy. They deserve the public ridicule and humiliation of their cowardly, deeds.
It’s ironic that climate liars…. call us deniers
The world is cooling and these morons still think it’s getting warmer! Ha ha. However, I wouldn’t put too much trust in Cambridge University. These institutions are all corrupt, and, sadly, many of the decent scientists seem to be afraid to speak out against it……I wish there were more people like you. The good news is that when the cold really kicks in, all these little ‘warmists’ will be begging for a lump of coal to keep them warm. The jokes on them!
I have to say, I admire people who go after wrong-doers with zeal and gusto. It’s no good just going for a cut, you must go for the jugular. I’m the same, I’m glad to say (though less than I used to be).
I’m of two minds on this issue.
I can see the value of laughing it off, not drawing more attention to these idiots than they deserve.
On the other hand I agree with Lord Monckton that the Nazis were also ignored, until they could no longer be ignored.
While in the midst of the conflict, it is almost impossible to tell which idiots will deservedly disappear into the mists of history, and which will metastasize into a cancer that could kill millions.
I should add that there is a difference between lone wolf nut cases and people who are part of a movement.
Had the same tombstone been created criticizing the Lord for the type of clothes he wears or the restaurants he frequents, everyone would agree that ignoring the so called artist would be the best course.
The fact that the guy is a supporter for a movement that already has lots of political power, makes it an entirely different case.
So Monckton’s Law is a double Godwin? Or is that a reverse Godwin?
A reverse Godwin. Godwin’s law is an idiotic monstrosity that demands in-effect that no one ever learn the lessons of WWII and the ascendance of fascists around the world to almost complete power. It takes the trivial — the sometimes over-use of analogy to fascism, and places it lexically above what is of gravest importance — the recognizing, naming and stopping of the repetition of great evil.
No. Godwin’s law is a call for remembering amplitude as well as sign.
Banning children from playing on the grass is totalitarian in sign. It leans that way.
But in amplitude it is not Kristallnacht.
Debate, particularly online, is often derailed because people forget the amplitude and go straight to the extreme.
You can’t talk with those kind of crazies.
The amplitude, frequency and tone of the death threats made by the pre-Reich Nazis against their opponents were very similar to those made against skeptical climate researchers today. If we forestall the rhetoric of hate by not appeasing its perpetrators and not looking the other way, but by speaking out in good time, we may hope to forestall another Kristallnacht.
My late mother-in-law witnessed Kristallnacht. She returned to a Britain still gripped by appeasement. She found it impossible to get across how dangerous Nazism had become.
Environmentalist totalitarianism is now deploying all the propaganda tricks of Goebbels and all the crazed, hate-filled rhetoric of his goons, and with no more justification. The time to speak out against the Eco-Fascist thugs is now, not after they actually start putting us on show-trial for our lives.
If the Nazi regime taught us anything, it is that the assumption that a death threat is mere braggadocio or rodomontade is unwise and may prove fatal.
When I go before Cambridge magistrates, I shall plead in mitigation that the student was young, hot-headed and foolish, which is why I shall not charge him, for I was once all three, and that “Dr” Jones was Insufficiently aware of the scientific evidence against climate panic. But the “University” ought to have known better. To its credit, though it’s shysters sent me a remarkably injudicious letter, it had the sense to back off and take down the offending press release. I shall plead that in mitigation when asking for a summons. But, in the end, the magistrates will have to issue a summons against it. There will be a trial, a conviction, and probably a binding over to keep the peace in future.
Godwin’s law is not completely wrong because one should avoid to make disproportionate comparisons.
But – so long as the anti-CO2 fanatics are using their most beloved hate speech term “denier” (with its plain implications to “holocaust denier”, that is to say “Nazi”) against CAGW skeptics – they cannot use Godwin’s law as an argument for their own moral integrity…
In the general, I agree completely regarding the issue of keeping in mind the amplitude.
In the specific, the warmistas are seeking, and in some cases have achieved sufficient political power to start implementing their threats.
Godwin’s Law violates itself by bringing up the Nazis.
I would suggest not mitigating on behalf of the student or Jones. If they don’t suffer consequences, you will be doing them a long term disfavor as it will take them longer to learn the lesson.
Unfortunately, my first reaction was to wish I got to be listed on the tombstone too. The reason people laugh these things off is that most of the time it is an over exaggeration that is understood by the recipient to not be quite that literal. The problem here is that with global warming, people have been fired, threatened or harassed for legitimate skepticism. So the amplitude has now risen above just over exaggeration, for threats to be taken seriously whether or not that level of seriousness was intended. So what I would suggest is to show good humour and use a big stick to paraphrase a former U.S. president.
I think a better title would be:
“So you think I dead? Save the flowers for your reputation.”
Fantastic Christopher! What great publicity it will be to expose these ratbags.
Well done on getting to No1 too.
Well I didn’t know your AM had an underworld connection Lord Monckton.
I’m inclined to send you flowers anyway, if only for condolences for that unfortunate outcome of The Boat Race. And twice too, with the Oxford ladies putting on a show as well.
But if I’m not mistaken, I believe you are still ahead on the score card.
Well the engraved stele is a rather low class proxy for expressing an opinion, so steam them.
G
I’m glad we have another British bulldog.
Monckton is not the first to wonder about the affinity grubbiness and leftists have. P.J. O’Rourke asked almost the same question years ago. (We also have to think of the unwashed out protesting whatever.)
I think you should go ahead and sue the lot of them.
“And the tombstone is now gone too”
It’s gone not because of Monckton’s actions, its because it was only to be on display until the middle of May!
And a press release is still up too!
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/journalists-names-memorial-those-who-denied-climate-change-university
That is not a press release. That’s an article in an independent magazine that “University” has no control of.
Get ready for the plaintive howling of artisitc freedom. So long as they are trashing your reputation that is art, but when you protest that is suppression of art. Hypocrisy, they name is global warming.
If it was America, you would probably be right. Wishing for someone’s death is not the same as threatening them. Putting names on a tombstone is not speech that is immediately inciting to violence, so there would not be criminal penalties. However, I think Monkton would still prevail on a legal request to have the work removed, even with America’s ludicrously high standards. It is unquestionably calling for his death.
However, this is not America, it is Britain, and hate speech is illegal there and they have much MUCH lower bounds for speech crimes, most notably libel.
It’s not a tombstone, it’s a plywood oil waterfall sculpture.
Are you suggesting that the medium of an implied threat, makes a difference of scale ??
Perhaps spaatch was under the misapprehension that a tombstone must be … stone ??
So, what would you and spaatch call a wooden cross on a grave?
Michael, it does have the word “stone” in it, which in my mind at least implies it’s supposed to be made of stone.
However it is legitimate to refer to a representation of a tombstone as a tombstone.
Rather clueless aren’t you?
It’s a representation of a tombstone.
Excellent Call Lord Monckton. Force that pseudo elite mockery of education to face up to their elitist notions backed with their dire threats.
The only Damocles swords that distractors fear are those from space: National Space Weather Strategy Released for Public Comment | NOAA / NWS Space Weather http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/national-space-weather-strategy-released-public-comment
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/images/u33/final_shibata_SWW_2015.pdf
*https://shieldearthfromspacedisasters.wordpress.com
I find the art in ill taste. Having said that, as an American, this speech would be 100% protected in the the US. I am able to hold both thoughts at once. The best way to deal with speech you don’t like is with more speech.
You are BS. Try that in the US and you would likely end up in court. Free speech does not mean you can say anything you like without repercussions. I suggest you do something like that for Obama and we will see how easy it will be for you to travel by plane.
An artistic tomb stone wouldn’t be actionable in civil court and would not be investigated criminally in the US. I’m disappointed that a web site that I like and support as fact based is willing to turn to the weapons of the thuggish enemies of real science. How boorish.
Yes, Alex you are correct on that point. But try it for any conservative and nothing would happen but cheers from the radical left.
Manos
As a sheep I guess you would let it lie. Being a wolf, I don’t. As for this site, it has been the subject of vitriol for years. Insult upon insult. It’s time to draw a line in the sand and say ‘no more’. I applaud Lord Monckton for his actions. He has the power and resources that I don’t. He has shown that he has teeth and if anyone is stupid enough to stick their neck out like that deserves to have their head lopped off. He didn’t use a sword but used the law, that these morons try to hide behind, against them.
Spoken like a true Englishman. The UK has a rich history of elites using the law to censor anyone who offends them. Just as Orwell.
Manos
Haha. I am not English. I am of russian heritage. Perhaps it’s the siberian wolf’s blood that speaks to me of honour and respect. You are probably still a young man, so I will forgive you. One day, when you are older and wiser, you may realise that honour and respect are more important than life and friends. It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees. I will die with a smile on my lips and you will probably live whimpering
The laws are different in the UK than they are in the US. In the US, libel is actionable – slander not so much. If you say something untrue about someone, that’s just opinion (in the US) but if you publish something untrue, then it is actionable. In the UK even verbal slander is against the law, or that’s how I’ve always understood it. This would probably go beyond verbal slander as the sentiments were published. Thus Lord Monckton would have a platform for his litigation, probably even in America though his efforts would be met with much less effect. In America, the right to free speech is abused like a red-headed step-child.
Alex, you do not have a clue. In the US any speech that doesn’t threaten harm, or excites others to riot, or illegal activity is not protected. Yes hate-speech, offensive as it may be, IS protected in the USA.
I sympathize with Christopher Monckton, and in the UK he may have legal standing. In the US he would not.
Roy Denio
You are right. I don’t have a clue about the US justice system or civil cases. That’s why I said ‘likely’. I too can use weasel words like the IPCC.
An artistic tomb stone wouldn’t be actionable in civil court
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Create such a tombstone with Obama’s name on it and issue a press release and see what happens to your door at 5 AM in the morning. Add Hillary’s name and see how far 100% protected free speech takes you. No doubt the courts will rush to your defense.
Gary: Even speech can be actionable depending on the situation. While I was in Atlanta one of the local weather guys gave a speech during which he off handedly repeated the myth that the Proctor and Gamble logo had satanic origins. He was sued by P&G. In the settlement he gave an on air apology to P&G.
“Manos
Haha. I am not English. I am of russian heritage. Perhaps it’s the siberian wolf’s blood that speaks to me of honour and respect. You are probably still a young man, so I will forgive you. One day, when you are older and wiser, you may realise that honour and respect are more important than life and friends. It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees. I will die with a smile on my lips and you will probably live whimpering”
I know this is late, but having just read this, and my wife and I being of Russian heritage, I wanted to say your post made our day! Spasiba!!!
In the U.S. just about anyone can sue just about anyone else over just about anything with, usually, the deepest pockets winning. I personally think that this is lawyers/judges protecting lawyers/suers and their income much like lobbyists/congress etc. And as Steyn found out, the so called anti-slapp rules aren’t very effective. There are even some law professors that require their graduates to sue someone just for practice.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/09/mann-v-steyn-steyn-goes-his-own-way/
http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/17/life-strangling-laws-from-the-unelected
Monckton is trying to use the leftist concept “hate speech” against the left, and not doing a very good job of it. Freedom of speech implies no sanctions against hate speech. Death threats are not hate speech, they are violent criminal offenses. Writing someone’s name on a fake tombstone is a lame joke, not a death threat.
Couldn’t agree more. The whole concept is a lame joke and not a real threat. Monckton needs to grow some skin.
Censorship of free speech and implied death threats is not a joke. However, I suggest Christopher Monckton agree to not raise a ruckus, if the offenders will agree to an open debate!
Yep, now they’re reduced to sending dead flowers every morning …
… I won’t forget to put roses on their grave
I like David A’s idea for a debate. But They’d never agree. They know They’d lose.
I think you’re missing the point here, Roy Denio. Lord Monckton, as I understand it, is prepared to allow the ‘artist’ his freedom of expression – however ill informed, puerile, or offensive.
But when a body calling itself a ‘University’ attempts to limit freedom of speech and attempts to shut down the publication and sharing of genuine research, by disseminating crude threats and implications of a lack of morality (which the epithet ‘denier’ is intended to imply), then it’s time to take a stand.
Impressionable young people are at the mercy of such institutions: should they be encouraged to think such bullying and brow-beating is acceptable? Public discourse is rendered dangerous and one-sided by such actions. It’s high time someone took a stand.
I appreciate that Christopher Monckton would clearly dominate in a debate on CAGW, and the University would likely refuse. I suggest he offer to drop all in exchange for a debate anyway.
It is a win anyway. If they refuse,they demonstrate their closed minded fear of rational debate. If by some miracle they demonstrate the courage of their convictions and accept, then the field is won.
How about I make a tombstone with your name on it? Laugh that off and dismiss it. D*ckhead.
Classy.
Manos
Lord Monckton is a gentleman, I’m not. Sit back and sip your latte.
Its weird but people like Rod and Roy here always turn up to tell others how they should think and behave.
Rod, you are missing the entire point of the article. Suggesting death while calling someone a “denier” has a very serious and very specific message. It was a crafted message with a very real world point: death to those who oppose. You need to go back and watch the “exploding children” video where global warming pundits made light of blowing people up who do not agree. Literally blood and guts. Literally. It was one of the most grotesque things I have ever seen in my life, as far as propaganda. Rod, if you do not believe that there is a fascist movement behind the global warming movement, you haven’t been paying attention. And if you didn’t know that fascist ideals were dangerous, well, maybe you should have stayed in high school. Lord Monckton made a very good assessment on what is actually going on.
Correct interpretation here. The more you expose underhanded propaganda *as* underhanded propaganda, the less of this nonsense you will get.
No, I’m not missing the point of the article at all. Yes, I’m very aware of the anti-free-speech nature of the global warming movement, which I’ve followed closely since before Climategate. Monckton wrote: “Now, to put a victim’s name on a tombstone while the victim is still alive is to make a death threat, the nastiest and most repellent form of hate speech.” There are two glaring problems with this. There was no death threat. A “death threat” means threatening to kill someone. “Hate speech” is not a death threat, and should be allowed.
Except in England there really insnt freedom of speech, at least not as we in the States recognize it. A man was arrested there recently for reading publicly, from Churchill’s memoir. If youre ever curious about the English people’s history with freedom of speech, do a bit of research on”hang, draw and quarter” thats how the english used to deal with unpopular speech….
Sadly that is true, in that freedom of speech does not have a blanket legal protection here, although there is the defence that the words printed or spoken must be ‘in the public interest’, much used by journalists accused of libel.
Freedom of speech is not that well protected in America however, especially in Academia. Anyone stepping out of line is now liable to lose his or her job after having his/her reputation trashed. You may have freedom of speech given a platform, but finding or keeping an effective platform is not that easy
Writing someone’s name on a fake tombstone is a lame joke, not a death threat.
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how about if someone wrote your child’s name on a tombstone and publicized this? would you still see it as a lame joke?
“Writing someone’s name on a fake tombstone is a lame joke, not a death threat.”
So is threatening to blow up Robin Hood Airport on social media, because a plane was late. That was clearly a joke but the guy was still arrested. No, I think anything which constitutes a death threat as such, is generally not regarded as an accceptable form of joke.
In view of the hostile acts against Nigel Farage by climate alarmists it’s possibly not an entirely empty threat either. A literal murder attempt is perhaps unlikely, but the tombstone could be seen as inciting criminal acts.
Agreed. It is a ‘veiled’ threat and probably would go nowhere in US. Everyone can see where the line is and they will go right up to it. That does not make it less dangerous. The ‘Artist’ is not going to do anything, but he/she is hoping to inspire some nutjob to do their bidding.
Look at the anti-abortion murders in US past. That is their model.
The leftist concept of “hate speech” is that the left is firmly against it unless they are the ones doing it, then it is perfectly fine. They say they are against hate and bullying, but in reality they just want a monopoly on it. Do they not hate and bully everyone who disagrees with them, including climate change skeptics? What baffles me is how many commenters here are willing to concede that monopoly to them.
Louis,
Correct as usual. Your comment has been encapsulated in a Law of human nature:
Fen’s Law:
The Left believes none of the things they lecture the rest of us about.
DB
Actually I think they do believe what they lecture us about, from a guilt stand point. The biggest racists I have ever know were all leftists, the biggest wasteful consumers, the biggest fascists, the most restrictive of free speech and on and on.
They think everyone else thinks like this because they do, they feel they need to correct the world of their own evil and the only way the can justify their continuing existences is as a corrector of the evil they see in them selves and project on everyone else. It never dawns on them that there are actually people who don’t think in their bigoted, selfish, childish way.
I usually ignore such commentary, since the commenters’ minds are hopelessly calcified, but… those who sit on “The Right” and blame “The Left” for everything are just as bad as those on “The Left” who blame everything on “The Right.”
Until our brains evolve enough to be able to grasp the fact that we all do stupid things in roughly equal proportion, and have ideas that are ghastly and counterproductive in equal proportion, and that calling names and generalizing are also counterproductive when WE ourselves do it, we as a species are doomed to continue the tiresome dance, yelling past each other, proud and righteous, forever and ever. Amen.
Fortunately, the world is still a vast and achingly beautiful place for our species to grow up in…
England is a very different country than the US, if you assume that our respective laws are basically the same, you could be in for a very unpleasant surprise. One example is in the US, speaking the truth is an absolute defense against slander, not so in England.
Sorry, but you are totally wrong. Have a read of the Defamation Act 2013, in particular Section 2:-
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/section/2/enacted
My short list of the most courageous, intelligent, and historically important people in the last 2 centuries are: Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, and Dwight Eisenhower. However, I am now adding Christopher Monckton of Brenchley to that list.
I didn’t make the list? ☺
I think you have to be dead to make the list.
(I hope that isn’t interpreted as a veiled threat)
Good on ya, Christopher. Make the folks squirm who are seemingly above the fray while useful idiots express their sentiments.
Thanks for the endorphin rush; I needed that.
“Dr Alex Jones, director of Anglia Ruskin’s Global Sustainability Institute, said: “The winner was chosen because of the way they approached their subject by bringing together a powerful message with a beautiful piece of art …”.
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To produce what is (laughingly) described as “a beautiful piece of art” nowadays apparently requires absolutely no technique or skill whatsoever.
“To produce what is (laughingly) described as “a beautiful piece of art” nowadays apparently requires absolutely no technique or skill whatsoever.”
That is the definition of modern art. Which makes almost every piece of it forgotten in few months. Some of it gathers dust in “modern art museums” (subsisting on subsidies) and Abramovich’s garbage collections. Who cares.
The ghastly Charles Saatchi has a great deal to answer for.
I used to be heavily involved with young artists in the London art world during the ‘Brit Art’ heyday. It was accepted by everyone in the business that young artists had no chance of making it, unless Saatchi bought their work. In that way, his patronage of ‘conceptual art’ became the driver of ‘taste’, and he became the arbiter of what constituted ‘modern art’.
That’s how this ludicrous but threatening piece of propaganda comes to be accepted as ‘art’ and described as ‘beautiful’. It’s ridiculous, pathetic and depressing.
“[modern art] requires absolutely no technique or skill whatsoever.” Oh I don’t know, it’s all a question of getting exactly the right amount of rust on your sculpture. If you haven’t tried it, you don’t know just how exacting that is.
Sorry Mr Monckton, but you fail to explain where the actual death threat is in this stunt. What in the press release connected the tombstone with your name on it to an incitement to kill you? Perhaps it can be interpreted that way, but it can also be interpreted as: ‘ years from now how will we remember these people?’ When speech or writings can be interpreted in different ways, then I think freedom of speech should apply. Just because you find their view erroneous, tasteless or even offensive, does not give you the right to prosecute them for saying it. In effect you are reacting to fear of one kind of tyranny by imposing your own.
Unless this was clearly an actual death threat, I think you are severely over reacting.
You fail to understand principle and honour. Are you too thick to understand a public insult? 200 years ago you would have been challenged to a duel for that. Yes, I know , we are now civilised and don’t do that kind of thing. What a pity. I would call somebody out for the audacity of using ‘the familiar’. How dare they use the familiar unless having been properly introduced and given permission to do so.
You fail to understand that an insult is not a death threat, and, and least in the USA, insults and other name calling is covered by the first amendment. Even hate-speech is covered.
Roy
I never claimed it was a death threat. Just an insult. They deserve to be smacked over the head, like naughty puppies. I wasn’t suggesting they be imprisoned or hung drawn and quartered. However, they do deserve to be humiliated. In our society these days, stupid behaviour seems acceptable.
And remember, what with Mockton’s use of titles, he is living 200 years in the past.
trafamadore is the one referring to titles, not Lord Monckton.
Why is trafamadore fixated on something which does not matter here in America? Is he jealous? Is that why he uses the title ‘trafamadore’?
“Why is trafamadore fixated”
When you can’t refute the science, refute the man.
Voodoo….
Humour
Although it is only my opinion as a fellow American, I second the view of Manos. When speech leads to prosecution, persecution, violence, or anything but more communication, there is equal potential for mischief in every case. I am a confirmed Anglophile and Moncktonphile, but on this, I believe the UK, Europe, and Lord Monckton have gotten it wrong. I am not critical of Monckton for using the laws of the UK to address an obvious violation of those laws, but I prefer the U.S. system of vigorous, free discussion, in which only explicit threats are illegal. It’s messy and causes me much angst, when I read the opinions of some of my fellow Americans, but I think it is still best to have an almost totally free flow of ideas in which the best can come to the top and the others can be revealed to be inadequate. I grew up in the Southern U.S. in the 1950s and I saw the separate accommodations for black and white. I think virtually completely free expression (plus some exceedingly stupid racists who killed 4 young girls in a Birmingham church) caused the transformation that occurred in the U.S. on the issue of race. I am not claiming these issues are solved and much work remains, but if we had been prosecuting each other every time someone perceived a threat, progress would not have been as rapid. Right ideas eventually prevail, and I would even suggest that the “university’s” stupid post will do Lord Monckton’s position much more good than his prosecution of them.
So you are implying that an idiot artist and the supporting idiot professor and university should not get a smack in the head for being stupid?
That sure is an idiot comment. No one deserves a smack in the head.
simon.
Not so. Take a look in a mirror.
Richard
Ah Richard!!! Our man of religion advocating violence.
simon
Please do try to be sensible. I was not “advocating violence”. You made a silly comment and I ridiculed it.
Of course, I was making the assumption that you have more intelligence than an average 4-year old. If that assumption was an error then I apologise.
Richard
Richard please explain then. Were you not suggesting that some people (me) deserve a smack in the head?
Not so Steve. Try hanging a rope noose anywhere and find out how soon the FBI is on you for a hate crime.
If I have undrrstood the motivation then this is not a reaction to an isolated incident but to a continuing campaign of abusive behaviour by the “university” and its ilk.
In the case of a noose in a workplace, it is not the 1st Amendment
that is invoked but workplace regulations on harassment. One can
still have a noose in their car or front yard in the U.S. Although you
might get pulled over a lot if it was a life-sized noose in the car.
If you tried it on a public university campus they would probably
shut it down but there would probably be grounds for a 1st Amendment
law suit but you are right the FBI would also be brought in to investigate
potentially terroristic threats.
The art display in the US would most likely be allowed although one
could try to argue it was a threat or incitement to violence especially
IF the written press release that went along with it was sufficiently
“threatening” in a connect the dots kind of way. In which case, the
press release might not be allowed to pass without possible legal
action but the artwork by itself would most likely be held up as
1st Amendment protected.
I am not a lawyer. This is just my opinion.
One can still have a noose in their car or front yard in the U.S.
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how about a large burning cross with a bunch of people dressed up like Casper the friendly ghost? is this also protected free speech? will your neighbors understand this is “Art”?
@Steve
The problem seems to me that there is a more or less subtle strategy behind that piece of bad taste. Lord Monckton quite rightfully mentioned the SA, the Sturmabteilung. They started their campaigns against those of a certain influence in society with very similar methods. Goebbels had the (jewish) Berlin Chief of Police Bernhard Weiss always called “Isidor” and his way of admistration the “System Isidor”. He got stopped by the courts several times but continued relentlessly.
No one by then had the guts to call Goebbels to order. All were already in some state of high expectation of the new “Reich” to come. I think it is pretty similar here.
Reverend Martin Niemöller, who served seven years in Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp, once said:
When the Nazis arrested the Communists, I said nothing; after all, I was not a Communist.
When they locked up the Social Democrats, I said nothing; after all, I was not a Social Democrat.
When they arrested the trade unionists, I said nothing; after all, I was not a trade unionist.
When they arrested the Jews, I said nothing; after all, I was not a Jew.
When they arrested me, there was no longer anyone who could protest.
You must stop these eco-universitarian fascists with their pieces of “fine art” in their tracks before it is too late.
It isn’t a matter of free speech, it is a matter of respecting other opinions and exchanging arguments and not threats. Did Lord Monckton, at any time, produce threats to life of physical condition? He is the mind-over-matter guy. And he, like all the others whose names are on that bad piece of “fine art” has the right not to be treated contumeliously,
Steve, usually I would agree. But sometimes, it’s is good to frighten people by using the law. Monckton’s actions will cause some distress and a little fear (I know, I have been on the end of just such a thing). The Left in Britain get away with far too much …by using the law. It’s often good to see the sword being turned.
Writing someone’s name on a tombstone is not “vigorous, free discussion”.
In the USA about ten years ago(in Texas or New Mexico) a man was jailed for 6 months for uttering the words, in a bar, “If he comes here he’ll be talking through a burning bush.” That’s it. Deemed a death threat and six months jail.
So stop the nonsense about all speech being acceptable in USA.
And if it had gone to the Supreme Court, it might
have been overturned. Many people go to jail for
improper reasons.
And I am sure that if what that “University” did was simply a matter of free speech, they will be eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing by a court after going through fair and simple and speedy legal process, right?
In the UK a man was hanged for uttering the phrase “let him have it.”
This IS a matter of free speech, but not quite I think in the way you are putting it.
The University’s support of this offensive ‘artwork’ – which is not more than a propaganda stunt – is aimed precisely at shutting down free speech. It aims to intimidate Lord Monckton and other high profile sceptics, especially those in the press, into keeping quiet on the real issues.
Lord Monckton’s action is ultimately in defence of free speech.
Dr. Jones should debate Lord Moncton on the subject. Dr. Jones should not fear such a debate as he is a professor on the subject while Lord Moncton is but a layman.
Yeah and Tim Flannery is a professor too but he’s still an idiot*
* I don’t claim that all alarmists are idiots; quite a lot are quite smart but are riding the scam for money, lots of it. But there are still a lot of idiots such as Flannery.
The issue of university campus ideology is not trivial and it is widespread. Recently, I received two emails from friends in prominent North American geoscience departments within the last three weeks. One wrote that on his campus, academic freedom, particularly regarding speech, was confined only to those who were politically correct but denied to conservatives. Another wrote that he avoided certain discussion topics because “this would pretty well end my career as a sober, well-respected geologist if I were to do so.”
I prefer not to name names, but one is a Tier I Research University in the USA, and the other is a similar university in Canada. It also pervades some scientific/scholarly professional societies too such as the American Geophysical Union and the Geological Society of America.
The real issue is how do we steer these places beck to sanity? Or as I like to put it, “how do we take these places back?”
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“The real issue is how do we steer these places beck to sanity? Or as I like to put it, “how do we take these places back?” ”
What has happened precisely is that ideological leftists have ‘taken over’ the Universities. They disrespect academic freedom but ironically used the ideal of academic freedom to get a foothold in the 60s, to get momentum after that, and since the 80s and 90s a majority that began to enforce ‘political correctness’. That was recounted in books such as “The Closing of the American Mind” and “Illiberal Education”. Now, conservative dissent is ruthlessly stamped out. The sciences were relatively free of such nonsense until recently, but its become worse in the era of climate change hysteria.
The solution is for men and women of courage to stand up for their rights and what they believe in, just as Lord Monkton is doing.
They might want to (quietly) join the National Association of Scholars, so as to know there are others out there who are concerned.
Precisely – I made the same point without specific examples in a comment a few posts above.
Academia is now a coercive and prescriptive environment, especially in the sciences – all of them. Research is bought, and has an intended result.
How to reclaim the Universities for academic freedom is one of the pressing questions of our age. Intimidation to enforce censorship being encouraged by a University in one of our two stellar university cities had to be countered.
“how do we take these places back?”
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I’ve found that arguing both sides of the question when talking to academics is one way they will listen. don’t take a point of view. rather argue both and take them to task if they are one sided in their views, as a one-sided point of view is not in the best academic tradition. don’t argue climate, argue process.
If graduates of Cambridge and of Oxford (my university) and their international equivalents didn’t go along with Warmism in their droves it wouldn’t matter in the slightest what people at Anglia Ruskin thought or said about the issue. As always when something is wrong, the crucial failure is at the top.
As always when something is wrong, the crucial failure is at the top.
Or it is being orchestrated.
I am gobsmacked that they would adverise themselves on a sign as a university in quotation matks, i.e. ‘University’. Are they for real! Do they not understand what that implies in basic English? I suppose the hand out “degrees” to their “graduates”. Good luck with your action against “Professor” Michael Thorne, the “University’s” “Vice Chancellor”. I hope he ends up “losing”.
The Vice-Chancellor of Anglia Ruskin University is Michael Ashcroft (Lord Ashcroft).
Lord Ashcroft has made substantial donations to Anglia Ruskin and his bust stands in the Business School which is named after him.
http://www.constructionphotography.com/ImageThumbs/A088-03510/3/A088-03510_Anglia_Ruskin_University_Building_Chelmsford_Essex_UK.jpg
His view on Climate Change™ seems to be at odds with the prevailing mood at his and sadly most universities, he is probably eligible for ‘denier’ status:
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/556528317482807296?lang=en
Notice how a number of replies to his tweet don’t consider what he tweeted but go straight for the ad hominem.
“seems to be at odds with the prevailing mood at his and sadly most universities, he is probably eligible for ‘denier’ status:”
Bet they wont return his donations though
The parallel drawn between pre-War Germany and this callous piffle expressed as art is a stretch. I am inclined to think that the “Richards’ masterly three-volume history of the Third Reich” has had undue influence on Lord Monckton’s reaction to this stunt.
Your error is comparing a single stunt (the tombstone) to an entire movement (the Third Reich). In it’s early days, the Third Reich was nothing to be feared, it was just a small bunch of malcontents who wanted political power. Even in it’s heyday, the Third Reich was supported by thousands of little stunts, which served to remind people who had the power and who needed to stay quiet.