California surrenders their economy to Texas (and climate worries)

Jerry Brown, photo author Neon Tommy, source Wikimedia
Jerry Brown, photo author Neon Tommy, source Wikimedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Governor “Moonbeam” Jerry Brown has just signed what might amount to an economic death sentence for California, by signing California up to the bleeding edge of international green agreement lunacy.

According to Reuters;

May 19 California and leaders of 11 states and provinces signed an agreement on Tuesday to limit their output of heat-trapping greenhouse gases 80 to 95 percent by 2050, a goal they hope will help prevent runaway climate change.

The target, which is based on a 1990 benchmark, will allow the individual governments, which collectively represent more than $4.5 trillion in GDP and 100 million people, to tailor reduction plans to fit their regional needs.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/19/climate-change-agreements-idUKL1N0YA26Q20150519

What could make less sense? California is already haemorrhaging business and jobs to Texas, thanks to skyrocketing energy prices and rampant green tape. The obvious thing to do is more of the same, right?

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May 19, 2015 3:14 pm

Thank God I abandoned ship several years ago.

Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 3:21 pm

Want to blow your mind? Just read about half way down this article for a glimpse into the San Francisco Bay Area housing market.
No Bubble Here: $1.5 Million for 750 Sq. Ft. Flat, Rent a Bed for $1,000/Month, or 20 Beds in 7-Bedroom House for $21,000/Month
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay15/bubble5-15.html

spetzer86
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 5:32 pm

Don’t forget the $15/hr minimum wage to help pay for that bed!

Bryan A
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 9:18 pm

$15 will only just pay for the bed. After Federal and State tax withholdings,FICA,Medicare,Social Security and the now mandated Healthcare expenses, you would take home $10 per hour (perhaps less). $80 per day, $400 per week, it would take 2 weeks and 3 days work to pay for your bed which would leave you $600 (Feb) to $800 left for
Energy bills
Water bills
Food bills
Insurance bills (renters, auto)
Phone bills
Healthcare copays
Dental
Eye care
Better not have childcare expenses
And forget about trying to save money for retirement (IRA) or charity
The jobs that would pay you minimum wage were not intended to be careers or to allow for family support, they were intended for those who are just entering the workforce or working through College and either still live at home with their parents or in college dorms where other expenditures are minimal
$15 per hour might just rent you a bed but won’t allow for much else.

Philip Arlington
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 10:56 pm

“$1.5 Million for 750 Sq. Ft. Flat” will most certainly NOT blow the mind of anyone familiar with London property prices.

Tim Williams.
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 4:30 pm

After 35 years in Cali I’m selling out and heading to South Carolina this year! Foreign immigration, legal amd otherwise, is driving California’s population growthTo those arriving from the Far East, South Pacific or Asia Cali is in much better shape, less corrupt and less grievous than the country they left.

markl
Reply to  Tim Williams.
May 19, 2015 5:26 pm

Tim Williams. commented :
“… Foreign immigration, legal amd otherwise, is driving California’s population growthTo those arriving from the Far East, South Pacific or Asia Cali is in much better shape, less corrupt and less grievous than the country they left.”
To those arriving from anywhere, that’s why they’re here. And that’s why Western countries are the preferred target for people escaping to freedom and prosperity.

JJ, too.
Reply to  Tim Williams.
May 20, 2015 5:23 am

Tim,
Welcome to the Carolina’s! It may be a little muggy in the summer, but get yourself a nice log cabin in the mountains with a fabulous Blue Ridge view and enjoy the good life (food, jazz and wine). The politics are closer to ‘neutral’, people work hard, there is less class separation and prices are a LOT less. Enjoy!

May 19, 2015 3:15 pm

As a Texan, thank you Governor Brown and my condolences to your state’s residents.

Bob Diaz
Reply to  kat phiche
May 19, 2015 6:30 pm

Thanks, I hope all of you in Texas enjoy all the jobs California keep sending to you.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bob Diaz
May 19, 2015 9:24 pm

Yes, jobs do seem to be one of California’s leading exports, probably with the people who were working them running a close second

Reply to  Bob Diaz
May 20, 2015 10:52 am

We’ll take the jobs but CA can keep the “Progressives”

Reply to  kat phiche
May 19, 2015 7:15 pm

Might want to hold onto those thanks. Give just a little more time and Texas will be deep blue. These idiots will vote for the same disastrous policies that drove them from California. Sure as the sun rises. Been to Austin lately?

Dobes
Reply to  TomB
May 19, 2015 7:52 pm

They’ve been keeping Austin weird for a long time. We’re redder than we’ve ever been.

The3o
Reply to  TomB
May 19, 2015 8:57 pm

Austin was like that in the 1960’s. Population and city limits have greatly grown but everything else is the same. Yes, I did enjoy the nachos at World Armadillo Headquarters.

Mark T
Reply to  TomB
May 20, 2015 12:46 am

Already did it to Colorado.
Mark

jbird
Reply to  TomB
May 20, 2015 8:04 am

Yep. Colorado was Californicated a few years ago. My guess is that more Californication is coming to lots of towns in the west, south and mid-west soon, especially since the “golden” state is drying up and it is becoming increasingly difficult to afford living there.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  TomB
May 20, 2015 8:31 am

I visited Kalispell, Montana back in the early ’70s and the people out there were already complaining about the Californians moving in. They said the first thing the Californians did when they moved in was install fences. Up ’till then nobody bothered. Every one was friendly and trusted their neighbors.

klem
Reply to  kat phiche
May 20, 2015 7:45 am

Sadly, more and more Canadian provinces are signing-up for this carbon trading fraud. They just see the profits, they don’t care if their constituents object.
And no Canadian opposition leader has the backbone to pledge to dismantle the agreements, like Australia’s PM Abbott did. Canadians are pathetic.

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 8:03 am

University of Colorado Boulder, July 2, 2014
‘Colorado research universities to lead U.S. contribution to global environmental initiative’
Selected as one of the five ” Future Earth” organization hubs along with:
Canada, Montreal
France
Japan
Sweden
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2014/07/02/colorado-research-universities-lead-us-contribution-global-environmental

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 10:11 am

Bloomberg, Sept.24, 2014
“California, Quebec Seek Partners to Grow Carbon Market’
“Quebec is discussing a regional market with the governors of New England states and leaders in Ontario while California is working with Oregon and Washington in the western U.S., Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard said yesterday …”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-24/quebec-california-seeking-to-boost-size-of-carbon-market

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 11:35 am

Future Earth, Research For Global Sustainability
Launched June 2012 at the UN (Rio +20)
Interim Engagement Committee in place from October 2013 to December 2014 to support the development of Engagement activities under Future Earth.
Engagement Committee included:
Robert Tony Watson, Chair, and Prof. of Environmental Sciences and Strategic Director of The Tyndall Centre, University of East Anglia, UK
Andrew Revkin, New York Times
http://www.futureearth.org/interim-engagement-committee

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 2:10 pm

Future Earth – Who We Are
Science Committee
Chair., Mark Stafford Smith, CSIRO, Australia
Engagement Committee includes:
Scott Vaughan, Pres. & CEO, International Institute for Sustainability (IISD), Winnipeg, Manitoba
http://www.futureearth.org/who-we-are

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 3:27 pm

Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission, advocates for carbon taxes for Canada.
The People Behind The Commission
Includes:
Elizabeth Beale, Pres. & CEO, Atlantic Provinces Council
Michael Harcourt, Fmr. B.C. Premier
http://www.ecofiscal.ca/the-commission/the-people-behind-the-commission

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 21, 2015 6:46 pm

Ontario Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change, April 13, 2015
‘Support for Ontario Capping Greenhouse Gas Pollution’
Supporters included:
Gov. Edmund G. Brown, California
Chris Ragan, Chair., Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission
And others.
http://www.news.ontario.ca/ene/en/2015/04/support-for-ontario-capping-greenhouse-gas-pollution.html

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 22, 2015 8:49 am

Ontario Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change, March 9, 2015
Ontario created an advisory Climate Change Action Group.
Members include:
Louise Comeau, Climate Action Network Canada
Peter Gilgan, Also Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission
Katie Sullivan, worked with the WCI/Western Climate Initiative
http://www.news.ontario.ca/ene/en/2015/03/special-advisor-and-climate-action-group.html

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 22, 2015 9:59 am

Office of Gov. Edmund G. Brown, California, May 19, 2015
Partnership to fight Climate Change
Statements from Signatories included:
Glen Murray, Ontario Minister of the Environment and Climate Change
http://www.gov.ca.gov/home.php

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 22, 2015 11:16 am

Montreal Gazette, Dec.31, 2012
‘Environmental cap-and-trade regulations in force’
The idea, cap-and-trade, was pushed by former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Quebec premier Jean Charest within the Western Climate Initiative.
http://montrealgazette.com/technology/Environment+trade+regulation+force/7762705/story.html
Jean Charest is a member of Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 22, 2015 4:40 pm

CBC News, May 22, 2015
‘Oil industry pushing for carbon tax in Alberta’
“The biggest players in Canada’s oil and gas industry are urging Alberta’s government to step up its environmental policies and introduce a carbon tax.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/oil-industry-pushing-for-carbon-tax-in-alberta-1.3083832
Suncor CEO Steve Williams is a member of Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission which was est. about November, 2014

Barbara
Reply to  klem
May 22, 2015 6:01 pm

680 News/The Canadian Press, April 7, 2015
‘Forget federal leadership, blue-chip panel urges provinces to price carbon now’
Panel:
Chris Ragan, Chair. Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission
Jim Dinning, Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission
Jack Mintz, Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission & on board of Imperial Oil which is about 69% owned by Exxon Mobil Corp.
Steve Williams, CEO Suncor
http://www.680news.com/2015/04/07/forget-federal-leadership-blue-chip-panel-urges-provinces-to-price-carbon-now
Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission is a self-appointed commission.

Paul
May 19, 2015 3:17 pm

5 to 10 years ago people and companies were all moving from California to Oregon. None recently, that I know of. Now Oregon is competing with California for lunacy in government.

MarkW
Reply to  Paul
May 19, 2015 3:46 pm

To a large degree that is because about 5 out of 10 Oregonians are former Californians who brought their insanity with them.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 3:53 pm

A few decades back when there was a big influx of people from California moving to Washington State, we had this to say: “Don’t Californicate Washington!”
Unfortunately, the more that came, the more liberal Washington State became.

HGW xx/7
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 4:39 pm

No joke. As someone (barely) surviving Seattle, I’m on the cusp of moving over to Spokane. I can’t wait. Leaving it was the biggest mistake of my life.
The eastern half of the state is the REAL Washington as far as I’m concerned. The ‘wesside’ is an epicurean asylum, IMHO.
God, how I hate it over here.

tgmccoy
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 5:53 pm

East of the Cascades is the sane place. I’m all in for the state of Western Idaho….

Alan Robertson
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 7:22 pm

Californicating Oregon, was the phrase…

Leonard Lane
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 10:43 pm

Isn’t it strange how they Leave California to escape the problems there and then immediately make wherever they move to be like California. Strange.

Reply to  MarkW
May 20, 2015 3:10 am

Leonard, they did the same to Long Island 20-30 years ago. Came to escape the crime & taxes of NYC. I got out & headed south.

ferdberple
Reply to  MarkW
May 20, 2015 5:46 am

they Leave California to escape the problems there and then immediately make wherever they move to be like California.
===========
similar to people moving to a new country to escape religious of sectarian violence, only to find they have brought the problem with them. unfortunately the citizens of the host country wake up to find themselves embroiled in someone else’s misery.

DD More
Reply to  MarkW
May 20, 2015 9:44 am

Alan Robertson , I also remember that is was Oregon and then Gov Tom McCall with his urging.
Referring to Oregon’s tourist industry in a 1971 speech, McCall may have first publicly voiced his famous “Come visit, don’t stay” slogan: “I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven’s sake, don’t move here to live.”

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
May 21, 2015 2:44 pm

I’ve interviewed for jobs in Pullman, WA and Couer d’Alene, ID.
Unfortunately I didn’t land either.

Stephen Singer
Reply to  Paul
May 19, 2015 4:01 pm

Unfortunately my state Washington has decided to enter the nut-house as well. Perhaps also fortunately most of our electricity comes from hydroelectric dams as long there is enough water(fingers crossed).

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Stephen Singer
May 19, 2015 4:41 pm

alternatives are lobbying to have 2 deals impact your hydro:
1) big hydro is NOT considered renewable due to large ecological changes (which could be good, but doesn’t matter)
2) only new counts; existing = 0 and new must be small scale
Keep your eye out. Inventing new rules.

curly
Reply to  Stephen Singer
May 19, 2015 7:40 pm

Not too many years ago, a then US Congressman from WA state wanted to jack up electricity prices in the state to “make money” selling electricity to Cali. I think he’s now the governor of WA state, and good buddies with that green wacko billionaire, Tom Steyer.
So don’t take anything for granted, especially when one of the US Senators from WA state may be the stupidest person in the US Senate (google it). And that’s saying a lot. The current governor is not the brightest bulb in the socket either.

HGW xx/7
Reply to  Stephen Singer
May 19, 2015 9:07 pm

Inslee is a liar who promised no new taxes and now is proposing a carbon tax. He’s scum but people in Seattle love him…which is fitting. Makes my stomach turn. This half of the state is an embarrassment.

Bubba Cow
May 19, 2015 3:19 pm

more bird beaters and solar grills coming to Vermont too …
where to go? where oh where?

Reply to  Bubba Cow
May 19, 2015 3:28 pm

Detroit? It’s probably relatively green-free.

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 3:40 pm

someone told me they were thinking of razing the place and turning it back to agriculture … pure hearsay, of course, so must be fact

MarkW
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 3:48 pm

Bubba, abandoned buildings are being razed to prevent them from becoming drug or prostitution dens. Whole neighborhoods are being abandoned because the city can no longer afford police and fire protection for them.

Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 4:26 pm

Detroit has large swathes of real estate that’s prime location for post-Zombie Apocalypse movies.

MarkW
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 5:43 pm

And vast swathes of residents that would be prime candidates for such a movie as well.

Barbara
Reply to  Max Photon
May 19, 2015 8:21 pm

About 2/3 of the people left Detroit. So 2/3 of the property is vacant or abandoned.
No businesses so no jobs. Very little left to produce wealth.
It’s true that vacant land is being used for urban farming. And people are making money farming in Detroit.

Paul
Reply to  Max Photon
May 20, 2015 4:49 am

Urban timber too. I recently talked to an arborist that harvests the lumber.
Sad really.

May 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Doing more of the same and expecting different results is Albert Einstein’s definition of “insanity”

Bill 2
Reply to  hocuspocus13
May 19, 2015 4:14 pm
stephen
May 19, 2015 3:23 pm

Australia mate .

Gamecock
Reply to  stephen
May 19, 2015 4:50 pm

No. Australia has ten years left. At most. It has a negligible military, and it has disarmed the populace. Their protectors, Britain and the U.S., are in a race to the bottom demilitarizing. India and China seek hegemony over southern Asia. One or the other is going to take Australia, and only the other will be able to do anything about it.
Learn to speak Chinese. Quickly.

Reply to  Gamecock
May 19, 2015 8:06 pm

Just for fun, which “Chinese language” are you referring to? Pŭtōnghuà, Wú, Yuè, Mĭn Nán, Jìnyŭ, Hakka, Xiāng, Gàn, Mín Bĕi, Mín Dōng, Mín Zhōng, Pŭ-Xián, or Huīzhōu? (Just to name a few!)

Patrick
Reply to  Gamecock
May 20, 2015 12:40 am

Australia is being systematically sold to China. Migration, property, farms (And we have some VERY big farm here some are 3 million acres or more), water rights, mining resources (Coal, iron ore, liquid gas) etc etc. You name it, it will likely be owned, in part or in full, by someone or exported to someone in China.

Gamecock
Reply to  Gamecock
May 20, 2015 5:48 am

Mandarin.

Reply to  Gamecock
May 20, 2015 8:33 am

As I understand it, in India there are over 400 languages and 2000 dialects.
“Learn to speak Indian. Quickly.” … might be a bit of a challenge 🙂

Gamecock
Reply to  Gamecock
May 20, 2015 9:11 am

There are many languages in the U.S. Learn English, and you’ll get by.

MarkW
Reply to  Gamecock
May 21, 2015 2:47 pm

I remember reading about S. Africa. Seems the locals refused to learn Boer, and the Boer refused to learn any of the native dialects.
As a compromise everybody learned English.

May 19, 2015 3:23 pm

Which is the worst for California? The greenies and their goofy ideas, or the drought.
Be careful what you wish for – the greenies want to live in a non-industrial society – well, good luck with that.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Peter Miller
May 19, 2015 3:58 pm

Last I heard, they were dumping millions of gallons of fresh water in California to protect the “Delta Smelt.” Millions more are going to leaks and breaks in the water distribution system every year. Brown is a disaster. At the present rate, California will go into bankruptcy before 2019.

Stephen Singer
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 19, 2015 4:05 pm

Yea, as I understand it there are less than 100 of the Delta Smelt left but still they insist on wasting lots and lots of fresh water on them.

Windsong
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 19, 2015 6:58 pm

At least the LA basin folks will have a “medium speed” rail line to use for their begging trips to the legislature. Probably that is what most of the ridership will be. /sarc off/

Flame
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 19, 2015 9:58 pm

Hollywood recently suffered FOUR water main breaks in as many days within just a few blocks of each other. Correction, one was a fire hydrant sheared off by an impaired driver. Most of the infrastructure is over 100 years old—but are they replacing it? No, all the news can talk about is building one stadium to woo back an NFL team and another stadium to coax a soccer team to stay.
And you are correct, Jorge, that the state has now made TWO major dumps of fresh water into the ocean, something like 800,000 gallons in this last dump, to protect a stupid fish!

Richard Ilfeld
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 20, 2015 8:19 am

A Delta smelt would probably be a delicacy enjoyed by a Florida Panther

Flame
Reply to  Peter Miller
May 19, 2015 9:24 pm

The greenies I know could never survive in a non-industrial society. They think peas grow in plastic bags already frozen and wouldn’t know how to can a jar of tomatoes if their lives depended on it—which they just might the way things are going. All of which might be beneficial for the rest of us.

Kenji
May 19, 2015 3:25 pm

Wait ! Does this mean that all the evil Co2 will now be produced in TX ? How does THAT equate to CA and Jerry Brown “saving the planet” ? Unbelievable … the fantasy world of the leftists. Oh well, I am sure Elon Musk with PROFIT a few more BILLION in “green” taxpayer subsidies.

MarkW
Reply to  Kenji
May 19, 2015 3:49 pm

To most leftists, actually doing something to solve the problem takes a distant second to feeling self righteous because you are doing something.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 3:59 pm

But blowing up children would take first place.

Flame
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 9:25 pm

Very astute!

Reply to  Kenji
May 31, 2015 4:20 pm

THEY ARE USING DIESEL FUEL AND ENGINES TO GENERATE ELECTICITY TO RECHARGE ELON MUSK’S ELECTRIC CARS, WITH A NET LOSS OF ENERGY AND GAIN OF POLLUTION OVER CARS THAT JUST USE GASOLINE. That is where we are headed. The Greenies should head for the Rockies and live in caves to be in line with their mantra. BUT IT DOES TAKE A LOT MORE CO2 TO HAVE A GREEN EARTH, which is the Greenies’ contradiction.

F. Ross
May 19, 2015 3:27 pm

Oy vey!

Mike
May 19, 2015 3:29 pm

As soon as I saw “…and provinces…” I knew the dopes that run Ontario would be signers.

Reply to  Mike
May 19, 2015 7:18 pm

BC government marxists already tax you when you drive to work, so that you can pay… You guessed it. More taxes. There are green levies on everything here.
This is to lower CO2. The very molecule that causes more plant life. Ahh, life on the left coast.

Barbara
Reply to  Mick
May 20, 2015 6:19 pm

R20, Santa Monica, CA, Sept.24, 2014
“New Compact of States & Regions Launched at UN Climate Summit”
Governing Board includes:
Founding Chair, Arnold Schwartzenegger
Gregor Robertson, Vice-chair & Mayor of Vancouver
http://www.regions20.org/about/news/101-press-releases/148-new-compact-of-states-regions-launched-at-un-climate-summit

Barbara
Reply to  Mike
May 19, 2015 8:08 pm

Anyone who has followed this situation knows this has been in the works for quite sometime.
Too difficult to get this done on the federal level so the plan was to to this on a state by state or province by province basis.
Plans are to do cap-and -trade the same way.

Ron Clutz
May 19, 2015 3:42 pm
Bubba Cow
Reply to  Ron Clutz
May 19, 2015 4:05 pm

astounding – tons of phoney digital money exchange in anti-science

Ron Clutz
Reply to  Bubba Cow
May 19, 2015 4:08 pm

A market based on the non-delivery of a non-good. What could go wrong?

Reply to  Bubba Cow
May 19, 2015 4:38 pm

Maybe ” tons of phoney digital money exchange” Bubba Cow, but my magic 8 ball says the sales of the credits will have sales tax added. Sales tax on the exchange of phony carbon credits to solve a problem that hasn’t happened in 18 years, what not for an overbearing political system to love?

emsnews
Reply to  Ron Clutz
May 19, 2015 7:57 pm

Wow, considering the ice and snow in Quebec melted only a few weeks ago. Like, 2 weeks ago.

Paul
Reply to  emsnews
May 20, 2015 4:53 am

That’s just weather. A few hot days signal climate change.

Barbara
Reply to  Ron Clutz
May 20, 2015 7:58 pm

The Climate Group, London, UK, an environmental charity
The Climate Group States and Regions
Co-Chairs and Steering Group includes:
Philippe Couillard, Premier of Quebec, 2015-2016
http://www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/programs/states-and-regions
Also check out the Board of Directors/Governors. Some big names!

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
May 20, 2015 8:24 pm

The Montreal Gazette, Feb.13, 2015
“Montreal Lands Future Earth Bureau”
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/montreal-lands-future-earth-bureau
And:
Follow the link to Future Earth

Paul
May 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Petroleum prices are pretty low right now. Texas will be in a world of hurt over the next couple years.

MarkW
Reply to  Paul
May 19, 2015 3:57 pm

Unlike the 80’s, Texas has a very diversified economy. There are as many sectors that benefit from lower oil prices as there are that are hurt by it.

Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2015 4:08 pm

Texas Instruments.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Paul
May 19, 2015 4:08 pm

Not really, at $58 bbl Texas is in very good shape, slower growth, but hey, all those machinists and welders can work for the aerospace industry that will be gravitating toward Houston. The places that might hurt more are North Dakota and Alberta, which need something in the $70 to $75 range to support expanding production.

Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
May 19, 2015 6:19 pm

Actuality $58 bbl a barrel work for the Bakken also. In McKenzie county the price would have to drop to less than $27 bbl to become uneconomic. For those who don’t know the Bakken in in North Dakota and McKenzie county is the largest county in the North Dakota and it is in the heart of the Bakken. Just got back from their last week, and yes it has slowed down, rig count is halve of what it was. That just might give the frackers time to catch up.

May 19, 2015 3:47 pm

What BS! They can declare it but they cannot do it. Maybe if they went all nuclear, but we know that won’t happen. They can trash what left of their economy in the attempt tho.

Bernie
May 19, 2015 3:52 pm

Texas’ ERCOT grid delivers almost 100% of the state’s electricity demand. Its oil and gas fields produce a net energy export, but imports more than half of its coal. Even so, they have 13 GW of wind capacity, amounting to around 15%, in this state that is not well known for green politics as is California. I believe they trust wind at 12% and 30% onshore and offshore respectively.

Reply to  Bernie
May 19, 2015 4:51 pm

Yes, but. Texas wind is subsidized and mispriced. See our recent post at CE. Texas has plentiful natural gas. Not using it for CCGT evidences a minor case of Californiaitis. No bragging rights.

toorightmate
Reply to  ristvan
May 19, 2015 5:48 pm

Is Californian wind greener than Texan wind?

DonM
Reply to  ristvan
May 21, 2015 4:25 am

Wouldn’t that depend on the subsidies? Do more, or less, subsidies make for greener wind power?

MarkW
Reply to  ristvan
May 21, 2015 2:49 pm

Don’t know about green, but for a few years back in the 70’s, CA wind was often brown.

Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2015 3:55 pm

We are witnessing epic, historic worldwide stupidity. In future years, students will scratch their heads in wonder at will be known as the stupidcene.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2015 3:57 pm

Come to think of it, the Idiocene has a better ring to it.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2015 4:03 pm

In future years, students will scratch their armpits and say, “Oook! OOK-OOK-OOK!! Eeep! Eeep!”

TobiasN
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 19, 2015 6:33 pm

You underestimate Common Core. Any student that says that by themselves will be reprimanded. It will be groups. One will go Oook! the next will go “OOK OOK OOK” . The third one, the one being treated for ADD, will forget to say EEEP! but be given an A anyway.

H.R.
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 19, 2015 6:37 pm

In future years, students will scratch their armpits and say, “Oook! OOK-OOK-OOK!! Eeep! Eeep!”
The smart ones, will. Gotta repeat back what the professors are teaching or you’ll fail the course. Some things never change ;o)

kamikazedave
May 19, 2015 4:02 pm

Let’s hope the USA elects someone with some sense in 2016 so that the entire country doesn’t go down the path that California is now taking.

Philip Arlington
Reply to  kamikazedave
May 19, 2015 11:06 pm

It won’t. The Republicans are mad too, but in different ways.
The USA will only turn the corner when Americans stop blaming the other lot for the decline which continues regardless of which party is in power (which probably isn’t going to happen).

May 19, 2015 4:07 pm

So is California going to go to war with China to stop them from increasing the output of Plant Food? If not – what California is doing “don’t mean nothin.”

Chip Javert
Reply to  M Simon
May 19, 2015 7:57 pm

CA no longer has water for plants, so plant food seems irrelevant.

Brian H
Reply to  Chip Javert
May 21, 2015 10:03 am

Actually, more CO2 enables plants to use less water per unit growth. Leaf stomata can be fewer to drive transpiration and circulation. “Make plants more water-efficient; maximize CO2 output!

coaldust
May 19, 2015 4:09 pm

California, Rest In Peace.

FTOP
Reply to  coaldust
May 19, 2015 6:18 pm

+10 for the RHCP allusion

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
Reply to  coaldust
May 19, 2015 7:57 pm

California, Rest In Peace.
Now don’t forget to stake the heart, cut off the head and stuff it with garlic, burn the remains, and scatter the ashes over moving water. Just in case.

hunter
May 19, 2015 4:12 pm

The signatories to this worthless agreement actually think they can control the weather.
“Foolish”, “Hubris”, “Banality”, “Folly” do not begin to properly describe how pathetic these political hacks are.

Reply to  hunter
May 19, 2015 4:14 pm

It is more ambitious than controlling the weather. They intend to control the climate of the planet. Ask them what the thermostat should be set at. Vacant stares.

nigelf
Reply to  M Simon
May 19, 2015 5:43 pm

Don’t worry too much, this Liberal cancer we currently have here in Ontario will be gone in the next election…along with the cap and trade scam.

Mark from the Midwest
May 19, 2015 4:15 pm

If you read the Reuters article it says that the details to achieve the goal will be “hammered out over the next year.” Let’s see how many times the signatories “delay” their goal, provide industrial waivers to attract or retain employers, and generally waffle and squirm.

Fanakapan
May 19, 2015 4:16 pm

Dont worry Cousins, we know from the wit of Churchill that ”Americans will always do the Right Thing, but not until they have tried every other alternative” 🙂

Philip Arlington
Reply to  Fanakapan
May 19, 2015 11:09 pm

He was influenced by a sentimental attachment to his mother. Besides far less evidence of the folly of Americans has accumulated in his day. Almost everything good that ever happened to the US was down to blind luck.

Doonman
May 19, 2015 4:17 pm

Article 1, Section 10 of the US constitution reads in part:
No state shall, without the consent of Congress,…, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power,…
So the agreement can be readily ignored.

MarkW
Reply to  Doonman
May 19, 2015 5:46 pm

It was never anything more than a self congratulatory press release anyway.
Kind of like the last two international climate conferences.

David L. Hagen
May 19, 2015 4:18 pm

~ 100,000/year leaving California in 2011, half to Texas.

MarkW
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 19, 2015 5:47 pm

Bad for California, worse for Texas.

Resourceguy
Reply to  MarkW
May 20, 2015 1:55 pm

That’s too simplistic. Colo. gets a lot of the bad actors.

TomR,Worc,Ma,USA
Reply to  David L. Hagen
May 19, 2015 7:26 pm

Texas will be a blue state in no time at all. Just like all the Massholes headed to NH, to beat the taxes and then voting democrats into office, who then raise taxes.
Idiocine era , indeed.

Catcracking
May 19, 2015 4:20 pm

As a skeptic of many things I read, I wonder how accurate the claims are of this article.
Anyone aware of the facts that could correct the claims.
http://www.utilitydive.com/news/what-a-50-renewables-mandate-means-for-california/398684/
In moving to a 50% by 2030 renewables mandate, California leaders want more of what they got from their 33% by 2020 standard.
“Numbers on the existing 33% target are still coming in, but getting to just over 15% renwables from 2002 to 2012 added 196,000 jobs, a 20% increase, according to analysis from clean energy think tank Next 10. At the same time, the state’s overall economy was adding jobs at a 2% rate.
By the middle of 2014, according to the group, the state was at 23% renewables, its average residential electricity bill had dropped 4% from 1990, and its average industrial electricity bill had dropped 57%.
The state’s three dominant investor-owned utilities (IOUs) are making progress as well, with all of them “on track to meet the RPS requirement of 25% renewables by 2016 and are well-positioned to meet the 33% requirement by 2020,” according to the California Public Utilities Commission Q4 2014 RPS report.
That all sounds like good news, but California lawmakers think they can do better. In January, Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called on state lawmakers to boost the RPS to 50% by 2030, and two bills to do so are making their way through the heavily-Democratic state legislature. Now a new report from a reputable consulting firm finds that the 50% mandate, while ambitious, could mean significant economic growth for the state, and major changes for its utilities. “

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:01 pm

Can’t speak to all the details, but California has, historically produced 20% of its electricity from hydro, so it was already close to the 25% goal before they even started. It’s the increment that’s going to doom them. Hydro is tapped out in the western states. Much of California Power comes from coal fired generation in Southern Utah and parts of Arizona. It comes in, I believe, on Grid Path 46, that massive collection of high tension wires that transits the southern deserts. I’m sure they could not even re-develop the infrastructure to manage power into L.A. by 2030 if they don’t leverage those inbound transmission lines, and existing distribution capability, that alone is a 15 to 20 billion dollar nightmare in a state that’s already going broke. Fortunately the last of my bonds on all this come due in 2022, thanks Dad for timing it perfectly.

Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:04 pm

You omit a detail. In 2005, the year before the initial renewable mandate, California electricity cost $0.1163/kwh. In 2014, half way to 2020, it cost $0.1718/kwh. Neighboring Arizona was $0.1158. All average rates from EIA. Self inflicted California wound. We may be seeing Darwin in action.

David A
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:11 pm

“By the middle of 2014, according to the group, the state was at 23% renewables, its average residential electricity bill had dropped 4% from 1990”
Wow, been here all my life, and that is nothing but nonsense.

kakatoa
Reply to  David A
May 19, 2015 7:00 pm

The advisory panel for the CA RPS study said this over a year ago-
“Higher RPS requirements at the 50-percent level would likely additionally increase electricity rates in 2030 by a wide range, compared to the expected rates based roughly on current policies and plans: the estimated increases were from 9 percent to 23 percent, depending upon the scenario under base case assumptions. The range was 3 percent to 36 percent under different sensitivity analyses, depending upon scenarios that changed combinations of variables. These estimated rate increases in 2030 were above and beyond the already-higher rates assumed to occur by then in the base case (which are estimated to be 47-percent higher than today’s rates).” Reference-
https://ethree.com/documents/Advisory_Panel_Report_on_the_CA_RPS_Study_FINAL_1-2014.pdf
The AVG non care residential price of a kWh is around $.20 from CA’s three private service providers today. Given the overcapacity issues noted in the RPS report- https://ethree.com/documents/E3_Final_RPS_Report_2014_01_06_with_appendices.pdf it sounds like I should consider going back in time and heating our place with wood. Trying to figure out what my cost allocations will be for my future usage from PG&E is not something I am looking forward to doing. At the moment the marginal price, Tier 3, for a kWh is around $.27 from PG&E.

Ashby Manson
Reply to  David A
May 19, 2015 7:19 pm

Yeah, maybe baseline rates have dropped, but if you run a toaster you’re over the baseline. The tiered system has resulted in energy prices that are significantly higher in reality. $500 a month in single family modest house not unusual in summer.

Tom J
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:29 pm

The state’s overall economy adding jobs at a 2% rate means nothing. Yearly productivity enhancements can be on the order of 1-2% or more. Coupled with any increase in the number of residents due to immigration and other factors a 2% increase in jobs could actually translate into a net loss. More importantly, what is the unemployment rate and the labor participation rate. I find it impossible to believe a state could regulate its way to prosperity.

LordCaledus
Reply to  Tom J
May 19, 2015 6:05 pm

Frankly 2% is a rounding error, not an improvement.

BFL
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:41 pm

Too bad you aren’t a skeptic of the greenie think tanks……

Grant
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 5:55 pm

I have a business and electricity is $.22+ a KWH, way up from 5 years ago when it ran about 15.

Reply to  Grant
May 21, 2015 2:17 pm

You are benefitting (sic) from the Global Warming Solution Plan. There is no Globalwarming as CO2 Rises, but shut up and be happy you are paying somebody who says it is. They must be well intentioned, yes?

Catcracking
Reply to  Catcracking
May 19, 2015 7:46 pm

Thanks for the input on the price of electricity in California. I did not believe the article and suspected some miss information for those who do not fact check.
BFL, I assume you are talking to me, I am extremely skeptical about green energy and global warming based on a lot of data and personal knowledge of green energy failures and gross claims.
That’s why I raised the question about suspicious claims which was sourced in real clear politics.

Alcheson
Reply to  Catcracking
May 20, 2015 12:18 am

Catcracking, as a resident of CA I can tell you those are Gruber/Progressive statistics. My electric bill has skyrocketed over the past five years. Tier 4 electricity rates are 39c a kwh, tier 3 rates are 27c. I am now installing a solar panel system, which the math says will end up costing me about 24c a kwh (includes interest on the loan to pay the panel price) but sure beats 39c a kwhr. They heavily subsidize the base Tier 1 rate by drastically raising the prices on the other tiers and then use this Baseline rate for their propaganda that you are more than happy to spread. With a recent lawsuit however, this practice MIGHT be coming to an end soon, as the utilities MAY no longer be able to charge a customer more than it costs… thus they will NOT be able to subsidize the tier 1 rate by overcharging 90% of their customers.

Jim G1
May 19, 2015 4:20 pm

“The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.” Idiocracy The time is now in California.

FTOP
Reply to  Jim G1
May 21, 2015 2:56 pm

Time to start watering the crops with salty energy drinks?

Eric Gisin
May 19, 2015 4:24 pm

Here are the 12 doomed states/provinces (all of west coast): http://www.ucsusa.org/press/2015/california-governor-and-international-government-leaders-sign-ambitious-climate-agreement-495
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (May 19, 2015) — California Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. and the leaders of a dozen North American, South American and European governments that together represent 100 million people agreed to take joint action to dramatically reduce their global warming emissions.
The 12 initial signers of the “Under 2 MOU” agreement today include California, Oregon, Vermont and Washington; British Columbia and Ontario, Canada; the Brazilian state of Acre; Baden-Württemberg in Germany; Jalisco and Baja California, Mexico; Catalonia, Spain; and the country of Wales. More governments are expected to join in the coming months leading up to the United Nations climate conference in Paris in December.
The leaders agreed to promote policies that would either reduce total emissions by 80 to 95 percent below 1990 levels by 2050 or achieve a per-capita annual emissions target of less than 2 metric tons by 2050. The goals are designed to limit the rise in global temperatures to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) from pre-industrial levels—a goal that the world’s scientists say is necessary to avert runaway climate change.

auto
Reply to  Eric Gisin
May 19, 2015 6:47 pm

Wales?
Country?
Well, it has football and Rugby Union teams, the latter pretty good. Probably other sports, certainly at Commonwealth Games.
But it is part of the UK [like England, Scotland (at time of writing), and Northern Ireland].
I guess they have been signed up by their Assembly, which is confident that – if it all turns to rat-shiiite, well, England will pick up the tab.
As England always has done, pretty willingly. If only for easy access to the scenery!
And, anyway, Wales has a pretty good set of hydro-electric plants, and used to have Wylffa – a nuke station that closed [possibly just politically incorrect . . .], so exporting the nearby aluminium smelter jobs.
Wow.
Join the dots.
Auto

Jeff
Reply to  auto
May 20, 2015 8:23 am

Boy(o?), your post triggered a memory.:) I went on a school trip, around 1970 I think, to Trawsfynydd – the other, other nuclear power station in Wales. Long gone now.
Wylfa is still running with one reactor though but that’s closing this December. Amazed it lasted this long – 44 years. Looks like Ynys Môn is about to either descend back into the times of Welsh mythology or embrace the new Global Warming mythology. Either way, there will be Harps and tenders of the Sacred Groves. 🙂

Patrick
Reply to  Eric Gisin
May 20, 2015 1:04 am

“Eric Gisin
May 19, 2015 at 4:24 pm
The goals are designed to limit the rise in global temperatures to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) from pre-industrial levels—a goal that the world’s scientists say is necessary to avert runaway climate change.”
To avert runaway climate change?? *GULP* What an idiotic article. The age of stupid is really upon us.

Patrick
Reply to  Patrick
May 20, 2015 1:05 am

BTW, I hope you realise I am commenting on the article, not your post of it. 🙂

ferdberple
Reply to  Eric Gisin
May 20, 2015 6:01 am

British Columbia hopes to ca$h in selling hydro power to the US. At the same time BC drivers are crossing over the border to fill up with Yankee gas and avoid the carbon tax.

Barbara
Reply to  ferdberple
May 20, 2015 6:28 pm

It’s not just their gas tanks it’s their filled gas cans too!

Tom in Florida
May 19, 2015 4:25 pm

And keep in mind that Florida is full so do not come here.

Jeff
Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 19, 2015 5:05 pm

… and jam-packed with alligators.
Not nice at all. Definitely one to avoid.

Menicholas
Reply to  Jeff
May 19, 2015 7:03 pm

Yes, stay away. If you must visit, the safest place is in a pond, canal or river, after dark.
http://myfwc.com/media/310203/Alligator_GatorBites.pdf

Steve P
Reply to  Jeff
May 19, 2015 7:58 pm

Don’t forget the Burmese pythons:
Up to 100,000 pythons are estimated to be living in the Everglades, and more than 1,500 thrill-seekers, amateurs and skilled hunters who flocked to the event from across the country caught only 68.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/big-but-nearly-invisible-in-the-wild-officials-give-up-on-evicting-pythons-from-everglades/2014/03/16/58cab268-aa37-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html

Jeff
Reply to  Jeff
May 20, 2015 8:33 am

An example Alligator …

Also contains the luckiest and bravest cat on Earth and a collection of humans that are either home grown morons or just visiting from California …:)

CD153
Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 19, 2015 5:49 pm

Tom:
Florida is 8th among U.S. states in population density. It has a ways to go however to catch up to the northeastern states that are ahead of it in density. Look at some of the New England states and New Jersey. And Jeff is probably right about the alligators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density

CD153
Reply to  CD153
May 19, 2015 5:57 pm

……and real estate websites for Florida seem to show plenty of property for sale there.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  CD153
May 19, 2015 6:28 pm

Yes and we do not want to become as dense at the northeastern states. We like our open spaces and we love our alligators, especially when they scare you’all northerners away.
Here is a little article I wrote years ago when I was running a golf website. Enjoy.
DANGERS IN PARADISE
Golfers Beware! Golf in Florida can be a dangerous game. These are some of the dangerous things you should know about and beware of.
Animal Dangers
1) Snakes – Several varieties of poisonous snakes flourish in Florida. A general rule of thumb is, never walk into grass higher than your ankles. If you MUST search for that 50-cent ball in the shrubs and underbrush, at least take a 5 iron (7 will do for the longer hitter) and beat the area to scare off any snakes lurking about.
Our rules on snakebite are simple:
• If you take a risk and get bit, we continue to finish the round.
• While we do not assess a penalty stroke for slow play due to swelling, others may. Check your local rules.
2) Gators – Gators are said to be stupid animals, but then, they are not the ones out in the hot sun chasing a little white ball around. These living, breathing symbols of Florida inhabit virtually every lake, river, stream, pond, swimming pool and bathtub in the state. It is alleged that after a heavy rain even the gutters are full of them. Most gators are shy and will avoid humans. However, large males and new mothers can be aggressive. Small and medium sized gators can sprint up to 30 miles per hour over short distances.
Gator tips:
• Never think you can get close to one safely, especially if you have worn your alligator golf shoes.
• Never go near or reach into tall grass or plants by waters edge and never try to play a ball that is near a sleeping gator.
• The penalty for taking an unplayable lie is one stroke; the penalty for getting caught by a gator is becoming their lunch.
• It is against the law in Florida to feed or harass alligators. Just enjoy them from a distance.
3) Fire Ants – See that guy over in the other fairway doing a crazy dance? He’s not doing the Tarantella — he just stepped on a fire ant hill. These nasty, swarming little creatures will make you wish you had never seen or heard of them. They will attack by the thousands in seconds if you disturb them. Many courses now have local rules for a free drop if on or near fire ants. Pray that you are not allergic to their venom. The welts, puss sacks, itching and scars are bad enough for those who are not. If fire ants get on you, do not run to the nearest lake and jump in. (See paragraph 2 above).
Weather Dangers
1) Lightning – Florida, where summer thunderstorms develop almost every afternoon, is the lightning capital of the world. If you hear thunder, it’s time to call it a day on the golf course. Nothing attracts lightning more than a solitary figure in the middle of a large open space extending a metal rod into the air. This is not a time to prove you are macho. People really do die on golf courses from lightning strikes. Throw out the myth that a golf cart with its rubber tires will protect you. Golf carts do not have enough metal to provide the necessary “Skin Effect” which, by the way, is the true reason most vehicles protect us. Ask any physics teacher.
Lightning tips:
• Do not be fooled by the distance to the dark clouds. Lightning often happens ahead of the storm in fairly clear skies. The proverbial bolt from the blue as they say.
• There is no penalty for heading to the clubhouse when lightning is around. The beer tastes much better when you are alive.
2) Heat – Florida is called the Sunshine State for a very good reason. Not only do we get a lot of it, it’s very intense due to our lower latitude. Add in a high humidity level and you consistently get a heat index well over 100 degrees from May through September. Get rid of all your fancy, name brand, heavy, dark $50 golf shirts. Something light-colored and airy is much better. Wearing a nice golf hat is good, but pith helmets are out. Take in generous amounts of fluid before, during and after a round of golf. Drink a large glass or two of water about half an hour before you tee off and always drink two or three cups at every water stop, even if you don’t feel thirsty. Supplement that with a Gatorade or Powerade from the cart girl during the round. This will allow you to handle the heat and stay comfortable during the round. Afterwards, another large glass of water and you should be able enjoy those adult beverages in the clubhouse without distress.
Skin Dangers
1) Sunburn – The sun is almost directly overhead in summer in Florida. It is very intense with UV indexes usually around 10, making sunburn times only 6 to 20 minutes. A good sunscreen is advisable if you are going to out on the course between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Don’t forget to apply it to the back of your neck, your ears, behind your knees and around the ankles. Try using a dry oil, one that feels like it evaporates so that there’s no lingering oil to make the club grips slippery. Use at least an SPF 6 dry oil except for the nose and lips where an SPF 30 should be applied. The number 6 allows you to get a tan, the number 30 keeps you from looking like Rudolph.
2) Golf Socks – You know, those ugly tan lines you get around your ankles from playing too much golf in shorts. This non-discriminating skin condition affects all golfers regardless of their handicap (although it is said to be less noticeable on those that spend a lot of time in heavy rough looking for their ball).
Golf Socks Tips:
• Minimize the effect by tanning your feet and ankles at the pool or beach prior to golf season.
• Wear the shortest socks that are comfortable.
• Never allow your boss to see your golf socks. He may guess why you have so many one-day bouts with the flu.
• Accept the inevitable and live with it. But for heaven’s sake, get rid of those black socks when you’re playing in shorts.

BFL
Reply to  CD153
May 19, 2015 8:52 pm

“Florida is 8th among U.S. states in population density.”
What is that rank when corrected for non-livable wetlands?

Patrick
Reply to  CD153
May 20, 2015 1:02 am

Is that all Tom? Don’t come to Australia then…lol…

Another Ian
Reply to  CD153
May 20, 2015 2:05 am

To amplify Patrick’s comment on Australia read Bill Bryson’s “Down Under”

Charlie
May 19, 2015 4:29 pm

Climate change might be proof that most people rally don’t do their homework or can stand up for whats right against a mob or tribalism. Will you jump off the bridge if all your friends do Governor?
apparently so. glad this blog exists

markl
May 19, 2015 4:30 pm

The governor knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s not a useful idiot but he is useful to some. It’s going to be very interesting how close to the brink we go before retreating back to sanity. Judging by what Western Europe is going through the US still has a ways to go. I wonder what it will take to become a lesson learned.

jlurtz
May 19, 2015 4:33 pm

Good weather, poor transportation, poor water distribution, highest taxes, “stupid government”; the result of an economy controlled by “liberal democrats”. Watch them fall over the cliff….

Philip Arlington
Reply to  jlurtz
May 19, 2015 11:16 pm

It won’t happen. The UK has survived a string of idiotic Labour governments and is still a developed country. There is just too much killing in an advanced economy for a failure correction mechanism to work effectively. Instead life just gets slowly worse without ever reaching a final crisis.

May 19, 2015 4:43 pm

Is any of these numbnuts going to be held responsible when the hypothesis of CC is proven wrong once and for all? More than likely not, they will sail into the sunset with their pension intact and will say “Tough S$%#@” to all and sundry.

G. Karst
Reply to  Mareeba Property Management
May 20, 2015 7:26 am

I doubt the negative can ever be “proved”. Winning battles is the best we can do – the war is being lost… on visible time scales. Cooling MAY save us but then we will have to face the dire consequences of negative GW. GK

Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2015 4:53 pm

Hey Vermonters, plenty of room over here in NH. Please just leave whatever socialist tendencies you might have there.

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2015 5:21 pm

Bill & Bernie will be right over.
Hassan???

BallBounces
May 19, 2015 5:00 pm

I would rather spend my money on something real and tangible, like carbon credits, that ephemeral fluff like food, clothing, shelter, cars, gas. Oh, wait…

Latitude
May 19, 2015 5:20 pm

California and leaders of 11 states and provinces signed an agreement…………….Signatories of the agreement were Acre, Brazil; Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Baja California, Mexico; Catalonia, Spain; Jalisco, Mexico; Ontario, Canada, British Columbia, Canada; Wales, and the U.S. states of Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Latitude
May 19, 2015 5:23 pm

I am on the case to identify just exactly how or who authorized anyone here in Vermont to do that – email just out to my neighbor and friend, a fine Republican Senator.

Terry - somerset
May 19, 2015 5:20 pm

If I understand correctly a 5% to 20% cut over the next 35 years against a 1990 base is unbelievably trivial and should have almost no measurable impact on economic activity. The same is true of all mature developed economies where the price of energy is already driving easy efficiencies in consumption.

MarkW
Reply to  Terry - somerset
May 19, 2015 5:54 pm

All the “easy” efficiencies were found years ago. Considering the fact that CA’s economy has grown in the 25 years since 1990, a 5 to 20% cut from that level would be a 15 to 30% cut from current levels.
CA will achieve it’s reductions by driving off 5 to 15% of it’s population and impoverishing those who remain. The same way those other “mature developed” economies did.

MojoMojo
Reply to  Terry - somerset
May 19, 2015 6:35 pm

AB32 already requires a 25% cut in CO2 by 2020.
In April Brown ordered that, by 2030, greenhouse-gas emissions be cut 40% below 1990 levels.
Im confused with the wording ,but I think today the agreement was to cut 80-95% of CO2 by 2050.
Meaning Ca could only produce 5-20% of the CO2 we produced in 1990.
We will harness moonbeams to charge our EVs and lunar cell homes.

Gamecock
Reply to  MojoMojo
May 21, 2015 6:00 pm

Will you be allowed to exhale?

Mark from the Midwest
May 19, 2015 5:23 pm

Hey everybody, maybe California is on to something, a pig just flew by my house!

Neville
May 19, 2015 5:34 pm

Well according to Trenberth, Flannery, Schmidt, Trenberth, Solomons etc his actions on co2 emissions cannot make a scrap of difference for thousands of years. So who does he really believe?
Anyhow until 2040 the EIA tells us that over 90% of new co2 emissions will come from the developing countries like China, India etc. By contrast developed countries will nearly flat-line over that period. IOW we could all live in caves until 2040 and it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference to the climate, temps or co2 levels. Just more stupid BS from the extremists.

Tom J
May 19, 2015 5:37 pm

According to the Reuters article California intends to reduce its CO2 emissions 40% by 2030.
I predict the unemployment rate in Caligornia will increase 40% by 2030.
I predict the number of businesses in California will decrease 40% by 2030.
I predict real estate values will ultimately fall by 40% by the year 2030.
I predict Leonardo DiCaprio will move 40% of his mansions out of California by the year 2030.

petermue
May 19, 2015 5:48 pm

runaway… climate change…
What?
A runaway constancy?
I think, meanwhile some blockheads mix up climate change with climate catastrophism.

Louis
May 19, 2015 5:57 pm

California and leaders of 11 states and provinces signed an agreement on Tuesday to limit their output of heat-trapping greenhouse gases 80 to 95 percent by 2050.

I’m not sure if that is an 80 to 95 percent reduction compared to current emissions or what. The article doesn’t clarify. It only says it is “based on a 1990 benchmark.” Does that mean 80 to 95 percent below 1990 emissions? In any case, Governor “Moonbeam” will be dead before 2050, but that certainly won’t stop him from taking credit now for his good intentions to save the planet, whether the target is ever achieved or not.

The governor in April issued an executive order to cut greenhouse gas emissions 40 percent by 2030. The plan for how California will achieve the 2030 target will be hammered out over the next year by the California Air Resources Board (ARB), which oversees the cap-and-trade program.

It sounds like the 40% reduction by 2030 target is going to have a more immediate effect. I live outside California in a Western state that has already benefited from California’s less-friendly business climate. So it will be fun to watch these new progressive initiatives cause California to regress even further. It will also be educational. But will the people of the Golden State ever learn from this, or will they keep on shooting themselves in the foot by continuing to elect far-out progressives?

Aaron smith
May 19, 2015 5:57 pm

California would be better off to be taken over by the Mexican gov.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Aaron smith
May 19, 2015 6:07 pm

Illegal immigration solved!

MarkW
Reply to  Aaron smith
May 21, 2015 3:02 pm

I’ve been trying to organize a movement to give CA back to Mexico. So far Mexico has refused the offer.

May 19, 2015 6:12 pm

Spelling error?
California surrendering their economy to ‘Taxes’

pat
May 19, 2015 6:24 pm

if your think that is bad, consider this!
19 May: Business Green: Jessica Shankleman: Investors worth $25tr reveal plan for tackling climate change
New online platform aims to show how investor groups are measuring greenhouse gases and decarbonising their portfolios
***(LINK)The new online platform has been produced by the Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change in Europe, Ceres Investor Network on Climate Risk in the US, the Investors Group on Climate Change in Australia and New Zealand and the Asia Investor Group on Climate Change, which combined represent many of the world’s largest institutional investors…
The launch comes as businesses prepare to meet in Paris this week for a major Business and Climate Summit, designed to show politicians that much of the corporate sector wants ambitious action on climate change…
Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, who will be attending the Business and Climate Summit in Paris this week, said she was encouraged by the initiative.
“Ahead of the UN climate change conference in Paris, cities, regions, companies and investors must continue to increase their active participation in the global efforts toward a low emission, highly resilient world,” she said.
“Over the next 15 years some $90tr are likely to be invested in infrastructure world-wide. Investments that are de-risked and green will be crucial for ensuring we do not lock in a high emission future but instead unlock a healthy and prosperous one that delivers the twin aims of climate stability and reliable development for the poor and the needy.”…
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2409175/investors-worth-usd25tr-reveal-plan-for-tackling-climate-change
***above links to Investor Platform for Climate Action page with sponsors at bottom, including UNEP Finance Initiative:
About UNEP Finance Initiative:
Founded in 1992 in the context of the Earth Summit in Rio, and based in Geneva, Switzerland, the United Nations Environment Programme Finance Initiative (UNEP FI) was established as a platform associating the United Nations and the financial sector globally. The need for this unique United Nations partnership arose from the growing recognition of the links between finance and Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) challenges, and the role financial institutions could play for a more sustainable world…
Banking, insurance and investment, the three main sectors of finance, are represented and brought together in this unique partnership…
UNEP FI has contributed to the launch of the Principles for Responsible Investment (PRI) and has developed the Principles for Sustainable Insurance (PSI)….
Mission Statement
UNEP FI’s mission is to bring about systemic change in finance to support a sustainable world, and is highlighted in its motto, Changing finance, financing change.
Motto
Its motto Changing finance, financing change reflects a vision of a sustainable world economy that needs to be supported by a sustainable financial system…
http://www.unepfi.org/about/

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  pat
May 19, 2015 6:50 pm

Hey, if you can access it from Al Gore’s Internet Device it must be good.

MarkW
Reply to  pat
May 21, 2015 3:03 pm

I hope they will let us know what stocks they are selling, so the rest of us can buy them up cheap.

Dr. Deanster
May 19, 2015 6:40 pm

This is NOT going to be good for TEXAS.
With those jobs, comes “Californians” … the same people who put “Moonbeam” in office, and DESTROYED California … complete with their “Turn Texas Blue” bumper stickers.
Texas should take the jobs, and implement a no immigration policy from Cali-for-nut-land. I’m telling you, they will bring the same idiocy with them that has resulted in the economic, environmental, and otherwise catastrophy that is California today.
As a Texan …. I’m sad for my old home state. Lucky for me, I don’t live there anymore.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Dr. Deanster
May 19, 2015 6:57 pm

I know a couple of extremely liberal Californians that moved to Utah in the early 90’s. By 2000 they were genuflecting to Regan, calling Orrin Hatch a bleeding heart because he was civil to Ted Kennedy, and getting all upset because they had to work late and would miss their reserved time at the shooting range.

Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
May 19, 2015 9:01 pm

Mark, don’t worry. Everything is A-OK.

William Astley
May 19, 2015 7:01 pm

We are at the end of the end. Which paradigm will change first?
1) Public and politician have their ‘Green Scam Epiphany’: Green scams do not work. Only solution to reduction CO2 emissions to let say 40% is a complete conversion to nuclear power and draconian measures such as banning tourism air travel. Public and politicians will not support CAGW Stalinism. Anti CAWG parties are elected. End of public/politician support for CAGW.
2) There are no Fiscal Magic Wands Epiphany. Fiscal ‘can’ cannot be kicked further down the road. Deficit spending eventually leads to economic chaos, riots, and protests. CAGW is abandoned as public money is required to pensions, health care, roads, schools, public employee salaries, social security, developing country aid, defence, and so on. There is no surplus money to be spent on green scams that do not work (significantly reduce CO2) and regardless reducing anthropogenic CO2 has zero effect on climate and almost no effect on atmospheric CO2 levels. End of public/politician support for CAGW/green scams
http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/04/germanys-energiewende-leading-to-suicide-by-cannibalism-huge-oversupply-risks-destabilization/#sthash.8tE9YRDj.PSllYaQF.dpbs

The coming age of power cannibalism…Germany on the verge of committing energy suicide
(William: Germany has more than 100% green scam energy maximum nameplate capacity Vs full Germany energy requirements. Actual average energy green scam energy is 20%. Wind power varies as the cube root of wind speed. Wind farm output varies 20% in an hour. German consumers pay three times more for electricity than Americans. Germany has reached the engineering limit of green scam madness. Storage is required to reduce CO2 further using the green scams.)
Yet Germany has a unique peculiarity: its leaders sometimes exhibit a stunning inability to recognize when the time has come to abandon a lost cause. So far €500 billion (William: €500 billion is $750 billion US) has already been invested in the “Energiewende”, which is clearly emerging as a failure. Yet all political parties continue to throw their full weight behind the policy rather than admitting it is a failure (which would be tantamount to political suicide). Instead, the current government coalition has even decided to shift into an even higher gear on the path to achieving its objective of generating 80% of German electric power from “renewable” sources by 2050. If the situation is practically unmanageable now with 25% renewable energy (William: Note that the Germans are receiving 25% of their electrical power from green scams, the actual carbon reduction is only 15% to 25% due to requirement to turn on/off/on/off single cycle natural gas power plants rather than to run combine cycle more efficient power plants (20% more efficient which explains why actual CO2 emission reductino is less than 20% not 25% which is CAGW lie.) that take 10 hours to start and that are hence left on for weeks), it’ll be an uncontrollable disaster when (if) it reaches 80%.

Economic growth does not support future promised entitlements. Government pensions, health care, old age security, and so on. Real cuts will be forced. Germany consumers are now paying three times more for electricity that the US. High energy costs will mean less money for consumers, more expensive goods, more jobs shipped to Asia, and so on. Bad thing, not a good thing.
Note the green scams are not going to significantly reduce US CO2 emissions and will have almost no effect on world CO2 emissions. Difficult choice, continue wasting money on green scams that do not work or use money for government expenditures which tax payers want and need.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Money-Runs-Out-Affluence/dp/0300205236

When the Money Runs Out: The End of Western Affluence
Praised for the “dose of realism” he provided in his book Losing Control, King follows up in this volume with a plain-spoken assessment of where the West stands today. It’s not just the end of an age of affluence, he shows. We have made promises to ourselves that are only achievable through ongoing economic expansion. The future benefits we expect – pensions, healthcare and social security, for example – may be larger than tomorrow’s resources. And if we reach that point, which promises will be broken and who will lose out? The lessons of history offer compelling evidence that political and social upheaval are often born of economic stagnation.

Menicholas
Reply to  William Astley
May 19, 2015 7:19 pm

“William: €500 billion is $750 billion US”
Um, I think someone needs to update their data, or check a financial report every few years or so.
Exchange rate got down to $1.06 per Euro recently, although it is now back closer to $1.10
Many experts are predicting parity before the year is out, and lower after that.
BTW, the last time the exchange rate was at or above $1.50, was in 2009, for about five minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro#/media/File:EUR-USD.PNG
“Just the facts, sir.”
-Not Joe Friday

William Astley
Reply to  Menicholas
May 19, 2015 7:52 pm

Your comment is correct. I converted pounds when I should have converted euros.
Regards,
William

emsnews
Reply to  William Astley
May 19, 2015 7:43 pm

Much of Germany’s industry consumes Russian gas.
Since Putin made a deal with Xi to send this unwanted CO2 gas to China, Germany will get its wish to be ‘green’. And extremely poor.

Steve P
May 19, 2015 7:06 pm

I‘m surprised no one has made an issue of Eric’s choice of personal pronoun in his title, so leave it to me:
California surrenders their its economy to Texas (and climate worries)
Yea, I used to like Gov. Brown during his first term of office, but Cal was still pretty dreamy in those days, and I was still at least somewhat under the twin spells of naïveté and idealism.
Those were the days…

James at 48
Reply to  Steve P
May 20, 2015 9:17 am

In British English since California is an entity comprised of many people their is used. It is not improper to do likewise in American English although the use of a singular pronoun is accepted whereas in British English that would be deemed wrong usage.

Billy Liar
Reply to  James at 48
May 20, 2015 3:17 pm

California is a state – a single entity, ‘its’ is correct. Californians may surrender their economy …

May 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Reblogged this on Sierra Foothill Commentary and commented:
The Governor has an problem, the citizens of California are not acting like we have a climate crisis. Today, 55 percent of hybrid and electric vehicle owners are defecting to a gasoline-only model at trade-in time — the lowest level of hybrid loyalty since Edmunds.com began tracking such transactions in 2011. More than one in five are switching to a conventional sport utility vehicle, nearly double the rate of three years ago. This does not support Gov Brown’s CO2 reduction goals.

Philip Arlington
Reply to  Russ Steele
May 19, 2015 11:31 pm

Nor does it support the goal of not funding Islamist extremism, the long forgotten best reason to favour energy efficiency (in sensible ways) and nuclear power.
Please remember that a small but politically significant fraction of all fuel purchases indirectly goes to fund schemes for Islamic world conquest. This applies even if the specific fuel you purchase isn’t from the Middle East.

ferdberple
Reply to  Philip Arlington
May 20, 2015 6:08 am

Wasn’t that the reason to kill the Keystone pipeline? To prevent funding the Extremists in Alberta and Canada? Much better to buy your oil from the Middle East where everyone loves you. Every dollar you send to the Middle East is a dollar for Peace. Obama knows best.

MarkW
Reply to  Philip Arlington
May 21, 2015 3:07 pm

A better response would be to increase production here in the states.

May 19, 2015 7:13 pm

This is what happens when science, economic analysis, logic, reason and common sense is replaced with leftist dogma.
Even IF the entire US were to adopt Obama’s CO2 targets of a 30% CO2 by 2030, according to IPCC’s own ECS inflated estimates, this would only reduced global temps a paltry 0.03C by 2100….
Since California’s economy is about 17% of total US GDP, California’s contribution to reducing global warming would be around 0.005C by 2100, assuming IPCC’s ECS assumptions are correct, but we know they are substantially overestimated.
5 one-thousandths of a degree C….by 2100…and the economic repurcussions to Californians will be devastating: loss of competitiveness, higher energy costs, higher unemployment, bigger state budget deficits, higher prices for ALL goods and services, decreased corporate profitability, many companies will leave California, decreased tax revenue, lower standard of living, etc.
We’re witnessing the death of reason.

tom s
May 19, 2015 7:39 pm

California sucks, then you die.

emsnews
May 19, 2015 7:41 pm

The only way to do this 90% reduction is to stop all automobiles. HAHAHA. My family lived in California way back in 1845. We named mountains and towns after ourselves. HAHAHA.
Fought the Spanish government, too. HAHAHA.
And all of us fled the last one to leave was in 1985. I left in 1970. California is one huge parking lot UHI. No wonder they are roasting to death there.
Oh, it is going to freeze again here in upstate NY this week! Wow.

Eve
Reply to  emsnews
May 19, 2015 8:55 pm

It is 34 F right now in Central Ontario and my heat is on. Good luck to us all.

May 19, 2015 7:47 pm

Seriously? Global Warming is a lie and only meant to control the masses via special interests. Also, since when does the U.S have Provinces? Mad, the world has gone mad…

michael hart
May 19, 2015 7:49 pm

Wasn’t there a Zero Emissions Vehicle law or something in California, around 1990? What happened to that?

May 19, 2015 7:49 pm

Another Jesuit on the Dark side. I wish it was only drug-induced brain damage or senility.

May 19, 2015 8:08 pm

Going to California
by Led Zeppelin

NotAGolfer
May 19, 2015 8:39 pm

Oh, good. Liberals deserve credit for believing in beautiful ideas, even if they are crackpot. Others deserve condemnation for demanding that ideas conform to reality.

sarastro92
May 19, 2015 8:40 pm

For a note of sanity Look to Tennessee:
LEADER: “Tennessee senators caution TVA about ‘romance’ with renewables”
“I don’t see why we need any wind (generation). If nuclear is zero (carbon and air) emissions and wind is more expensive, and you don’t need wind most of the time, why would you buy it?”
— US Senator Lamar Alexander
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2015/may/19/senators-tilt-against-windmillscautitvagainst/305033/

Douglas Griffeth
May 19, 2015 9:50 pm

A friend sent me this article as I am packing to leave LA for DFW already. I’m a native of Los Angeles, and spent most my life in California. But the economics suck unless you have a top 10% income job. So I’m trading away my earthquake kit for a tornado kit. Houses are less than half the cost of those here, so I will make a tidy profit in the exchange. A hidden benefit is this: for a change, my vote will actually count.

joelobryan
May 19, 2015 10:14 pm

At the end of April the Moonbeam Index was a hair over 3.1.
The Moonbeam Index is the ratio of one-way UHaul trucks rates for selected Cal – Texas and Cal- Washington state city pairs. The rental rates are directly from UHaul’s webpage rate quotes for a 26′ truck, which would be typical for a middle class family.
Most of the outbound rates are in the $1800-$2200 range. The inbound rates are mostly in the $650-$800 range. UHaul is basically renting trucks to inbound movers At Cost.., and making a nice profit when those trucks are rented by those fleeing Gov Moonbeam’s asylum.

Rob
May 19, 2015 10:49 pm

No wonder everyone that can is leaving
California. They think they are so self important. Not any more. It’s China &
India’s world now!!

Steve P
May 19, 2015 11:13 pm

加州梦想
在妈妈们和帕帕斯

他们还没有这样做,在中国和印度

May 20, 2015 12:45 am

I was born and raised in the State of California. Thank god for the Great State of Texas, of which California was a cousin…Until…? California is now a cesspit of idiocy and anyone who helped make it that way should have to stay here and reap the fruits of the “utopia” they wanted so desperately. I’m moving to Texas. Thank God for Texas.

mikewaite
May 20, 2015 1:34 am

It is confusing for an alien to try to reconcile the largely detracting comments about California’s policies with the comment made just yesterday by Jai Mitchell:
“in addition, we have over 1 million paying jobs in the state working on renewable energy projects and conservation efforts. people are saving money and spending it in their own hometowns. California had 8 billion dollars in unexpected revenue last quarter and is looking at a budget surplus of up to 40 billion dollars. http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_28056793/californias-budget-surplus-soars-new-heights-schools-benefit

The Original Mike M
Reply to  mikewaite
May 20, 2015 7:40 am

As the saying goes, democracy is 3 wolves and a lamb voting on what’s for dinner.
Key sentence in that article: “When voters in November 2012 passed Proposition 30 — which raised taxes on the wealthy substantially and the sales tax slightly”
Basically, CA made a windfall in tax revenue by allowing the majority to vote to raise taxes only on the rich (typical democrat class warfare) – and now many of the rich will vote with their feet and leave CA. When they are gone, where will the revenue come from? And where will the jobs come from? Where will investment for new companies come from? Brown and CA democrats are digging an economic abyss from which no one is going to be climbing out of for a very long time. I predict CA will be crying for a federal bailout within four years.

Chris Plastiras, the owner of a real estate company in Nevada, since that since Proposition 30 passed, 14 of the 27 high-end homes he sold between the election and the end of January 2013 were to wealthy individuals leaving California for Nevada. He said, “They’re buying fast and furious, absolutely. I’ve never seen anything quite like this. Prop. 30 really got a lot of people upset and they feel like they’re being singled out, and that was pretty much the straw that broke the camel’s back for them.”

http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_30,_Sales_and_Income_Tax_Increase_%282012%29

MarkW
Reply to  The Original Mike M
May 21, 2015 3:11 pm

I wonder what they are going to do when the rest of the country decides to save Social Security on the backs of the wealthy?

AndyG55
May 20, 2015 2:09 am

The world bank will look after the climate grovelers… with YOUR money !!
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/05/nobel-chutzpah-prize-2015-un-world-bank-need-89-trillion/

May 20, 2015 5:12 am

Demi’s in control of the state ignore 4th generation molten salt reactors that can cut emissions. They prefer bird blending 250,000 acres of wind mills for each nuclear plant they close. Insane!

Coach Springer
May 20, 2015 5:32 am

As Joni Mitchell used to sing, “Take paradise, put up a solar array.”

The Original Mike M
Reply to  Coach Springer
May 20, 2015 6:57 am

Hey farmer farmer, stop growin all that bio-fuel now,
Grow food the living and none for the SUV — eee – zzz!

ferdberple
May 20, 2015 6:16 am

Hey, maybe California and British Columbia can get a big chunk of that $100 billion a year climate fund that India and China are going to set up? What do you think? We can use those billions to fund all the green millionaires the new economy will be creating.

Rick
May 20, 2015 6:20 am

It’s going to work. He’s on target to hit that 80-90%, and quite frankly this is probably the only way to do it. No people = no energy use.

Gerry
May 20, 2015 6:59 am

Clearly, the sunshine, the wind and the atmospheric gases collectively agree now to slide around the perimeter of the signatory states because they are “silent” signatories to this agreement….

mark wagner
May 20, 2015 7:06 am

NO! We don’t want them. For they come here and begin to re-make our great state to look much like what they just left: high taxes, big government, environmental regulations out the wazoo, wealth redistribution, etc.
We don’t want or need that type of people here. Thanks.

Jim G1
May 20, 2015 7:13 am

first lines]Narrator: “As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.” Idiocracy

Silverlock
May 20, 2015 7:59 am

I wonder if California will also extend that ban to cancelling the importation of evil coal generated electricity. Or will they be hypocritical, claim the reduction in CO2, and outsource the carbon generation to Nevada or Arizona.

May 20, 2015 8:32 am

I suspect most of this junk is just window dressing, a political photo-op. If the Idiocracy is mindlessly implemented, the first unemployment riots will refocus the politicians back to reality.

James at 48
May 20, 2015 9:14 am

There are a number of ironies and paradoxes related to what is happening here in California. Those who are the most entrenched in the Green religion also tend to be those at the upper end of income and education. High tech CEOs are notorious for embracing it as are well paid people in the entertainment businesses. Looking at my hood, you could knock on every door and at most 10% of the folks would dare utter anything remotely skeptical. My hood, which was a normal upper middle class place when we moved in, has changed quite a bit since then – Facebookers, Twitterers, Googlers and others working at less well known places have taken it over. The tech mavens are typically also deep green. I’ve nearly been run over a number of times by nearly-silent Priuses and Teslas.

Steve P
Reply to  James at 48
May 20, 2015 10:46 am

I’ve nearly been run over a number of times by nearly-silent Priuses and Teslas.
No doubt twiddling their awesome gadgets, and paying scant attention to the road.
Let’s face it, solid green credentials are now required for entry into the chosen circles, cliques, and spheres of influence, which themselves are all in the parade of the green alarmist bandwagon, and help keep it aloft, and in motion, with their own hot air.

The Original Mike M
Reply to  Steve P
May 20, 2015 12:22 pm

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/faking-it-engine-sound-enhancement-explained-tech-dept … or at least a baseball card in the spokes make some sound when they are moving.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve P
May 21, 2015 3:14 pm

I wonder how much the cars range will be reduced by the power required to run those external speakers?

jsuther2013
May 20, 2015 11:20 am

2050 is a long way away. He can promise anything, it will be someone else who will recognize the stupidity of trying to deliver on that promise.

May 20, 2015 11:43 am

My favorite quote from the Reuters story: “The temperature mark [2 degrees C] is the warming threshold at which governments say climate change could become catastrophic and irreversible.”

MarkW
Reply to  dwisehart
May 21, 2015 3:15 pm

The Holocene optimum was 5C warmer than today. I wonder how the earth managed to recover from that irreversible catastrophe?

Resourceguy
May 20, 2015 1:58 pm

They need an easier option where we just sign over the money for the next phase of high speed rail building instead of wrecking science in the current scam method.

May 20, 2015 3:42 pm

The Honorable Governor has traded the cow for some magic beans.
Good luck with that Guvna.

Fuel Filter
May 20, 2015 4:33 pm

Here’s a wonderfully researched and very well-written article by one of City Journal’s editors Steven Managa on the roots and depths of the Green Blob’s complete takeover of California politics from top to bottom.
As a 3rd generation Los Angeles native, born in 1951, who is ready to move to Texas (hoping they will have me) I have seen this from the ground.
(BTW, gas is now hovering around $4.00/gal…)
 http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_2_california-environmentalism.html

Larry in Texas
May 20, 2015 10:47 pm

We will take California’s economy. We just don’t want idiot Californians coming here to screw up our politics, environmental or otherwise.

Fuel Filter
Reply to  Larry in Texas
May 21, 2015 4:55 am

Larry, I just want to escape and live out the rest of my days in a sane state.
(BTW, I’m a huge Ted Cruz supporter, FWIW…)

Justin
May 21, 2015 3:17 am

When will Cal wake up to the monumental fraud perpetrated upon its citizens by the UN Climate boffins and their cohorts riding the renewables gravy train?

Reply to  Justin
May 21, 2015 4:58 am

Not gonna happen ’till the state goes bankrupt or some other catastrophic event takes place.

MarkW
Reply to  socabill
May 21, 2015 3:16 pm

If they are like leftists elsewhere in the world, they will blame those who left for abandoning their utopia and seek to pass laws to make it impossible for anyone else to leave.

markl
Reply to  Justin
May 21, 2015 9:27 am

Justin commented: “When will Cal wake up….”
Not in our lifetime.

Tom O
May 21, 2015 1:26 pm

Say what you want about global warming and the carbon tax destructive affect on the job market. Every time I turn around there seems to be even more researchers trying to get a piece of that grant pie, so it appears at least in this part of the economy, business is booming.

May 21, 2015 2:13 pm

The Climate has not been changed by Humans and cannot be changed by humans. GLOBAL Warming predicted has not happened for 19 years as CO2 goes on rising. If excuses have to be given, it is admission not to believe the predictions, period.

Gamecock
May 21, 2015 6:19 pm

Thank you Texas for taking these Climate Change refuges. We don’t need them here. We have enough trouble with all the Yankees that move down here. And tell us how great things were back up north.

carbon bigfoot
May 22, 2015 6:51 am

Fear not. The Sun is now over its half life. And since we have no experience with solar cycles of our dying star we will probably face increased Maunder Minimums. And all those environ-mentals will freeze to death, or be burned at the stake of environmental stupidity. Probably we will as well—problem solved. Just sayin’.

Leo Morgan
May 22, 2015 7:57 am

I assume California is relying on the Greek method of economic management: spend up big, call on suckers to bail you out, repeat.

Mervyn
May 23, 2015 11:39 pm

This is not a war on global warming. It is a war on the people … the people of California. And while Leonardo and Co will always be able to afford the costs of green policies, being filthy rich Hollywood actors, it will be the majority folk in California that will suffer the brunt of the impacts of this mad policy.

Richard A.
May 25, 2015 9:42 am

Republican Pete Wilson back in 1994 received more votes for governor than Jerry Brown did in 2014 even though California’s population has grown by about 10%.

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