Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
Sometimes people ask how we know what the temperature was thousands of years ago? The answer is we estimate temperature from proxy data or secondary indicators of the climate conditions at the time. Phenology is an important form of proxy research. It is, “the study of cyclic and seasonal natural phenomena, especially in relation to climate and plant and animal life.” Palynology is one of the least known phenologic techniques used for reconstructing past climate conditions.
It involves taking cores in depositional environments, such as bogs or lake sediments then identifying the pollen in each layer. Pollen is the reproductive seed annually spread from a plant and is remarkably hardy, especially in low oxygen environments. It is also unique for each species (Figure 1).
Figure 1: Colorized images
Pollen counts are done in specialized labs with stainless steel surfaces and a negative airflow to preclude contamination. Results show pollen counts against time that reveal changing plant populations. Figure 2 shows a clear format from a bog in Illinois covering 14,000 years of change.
Figure 2
Changing pollen percentages in each layer reflect changing environmental conditions over time. However, just like tree rings, care is required in identifying the cause of the change. Regardless of the method it is critical in historic reconstructions to obtain as many non-correlated indicators as possible.
I was seeking such proxy indicators for climate conditions during the death of Otzi the Iceman on an Alpine Mountain. His frozen body, discovered in 1991, lay preserved at 3,210 meters. Radiocarbon dates placed his demise between 3239 and 3105 BCE (5254 – 5120 before 2015). The climate pattern assumed he was later covered in ice and exposed by modern warming. Pollen became part of the investigation but only after being discovered in his stomach and clothing. There is one comment of interest.
“The pollen found in his intestines indicates that he hiked through “a coniferous forest at mid-elevation.”
Figure 3 shows the Greenland ice core temperature record, which reflects hemispheric conditions. Cores are further north than Otzi’s location but likely approximate general conditions. A black arrow marks the time of Otzi’s demise and suggests 1.5°C warmer than today.
Figure 3 (Black Arrow; estimated Otzi demise)
My research and reconstruction of historic treeline movements triggered an interest in the treeline position Otzi knew.[1] The question about why he was so high in the mountains may be less important if it was not far above the treeline.
The climatic similarities between changing altitude and latitude reflect the change of switching the first two letters. Climate zones change in the same sequence moving to the Poles or going up a mountain. The span of each change is greater for latitude than altitude.
The width of the transitional zone separating closed forests from treeless plant communities is not uniform: polar treelines and drought-caused treelines can form very broad transition zones such as parklands with widely spaced trees (Amo and Hammerly, 1993). Conversely, mountain treelines have rather narrow transitional zones (i.e., 100-200 m of vertical extent).
In Otzi’s case (altitude) the distance appears large regardless of the period. Figure 4 shows a map of the location and assumed route, but does not clarify the treeline issue.
A photograph (Figure 5) of the area shows that considerable movement is necessary for the treeline movement in Otzi’s day to be significant.
Figure 5: Red shows Otzi’s location. Scale given by four people on glacier bottom left.
Palynological studies provide indicators of climate change but lack precision because of slow response. The most effective measure is a comparison with today’s situation as a study of “Holocene Treeline Fluctuations” observes.
To assess the magnitude of past climate changes, reconstructions of Holocene treeline fluctuations must be related to modern treeline positions. For estimations of past temperature changes it is assumed that today’s occurrence of trees is in equilibrium with the climate of the past few decades.
An Arctic treeline commentator notes,
Treeline encroachments and retractions can provide global-scale feedbacks to the climate system, and treeline dynamics are therefore of great relevance for understanding global climate variability.
It is clear that the palynological record was too coarse to determine precise location of the treeline, especially since the date of his death was only accurate within 100 years. The following comment is a bizarre mix of material confirming that the IPCC assessment is either wrong or inadequate, yet still buying into the IPCC warming narrative. The almost obligatory plea for funding colors the quote.
It is clear that the position and composition of the timberline ecotone has been sensitive to Holocene climate change. The millennial-scale trends generally reflect gradual decline in Northern Hemisphere insolation from approximately 11% higher-than-present in the early Holocene. Superimposed on this long-term trend are higher-frequency fluctuations related to changes in oceanic circulation, volcanic activity, and solar irradiance or a combination of these factors. It is also clear that anthropogenic climate forcing over the next 100 years is likely to rival or exceed the warmest conditions of the Holocene. Concerns about global warming involve adjustments, collapses, migrations, or extinctions of boreal and alpine life. Surprisingly, relatively few studies have addressed past responses of ecosystems such as treeline communities to climatic change. One of the reasons for avoiding this topic is that accurate studies require independent climatic proxies and very high temporal resolution «10-20 years/sample). To assess how treelines could respond to global change, high resolution studies including macrofossil analysis are urgently needed.
Determination of what was going on 5000 years ago is further complicated because it was clearly a period of significant change.
Figure 6 shows an amalgamated plot of the sequence derived from various sources. It includes a distinction between treeline, (trees 2m tall) and timberline (8m). The interesting change after 5000 BP is the widening altitude difference to the present.
This change after 5000 was evident in a study in the nearby Piora Valley (Figure 7). That study reports the change, labeled the Piora Oscillation was global.
Piora oscillation, named after Piora Valley in Europe where climatic irregularities were first noted. A major break in the climatic regime which resulted in a readvance of Alpine glaciers, a retreat of forests. Elms and linden trees declined in Europe and North America. In northern Europe the oak and hazel declined or disappeared. Changes occurred as far away as the Andes, Alaska, and the Kenyan highlands, so the disturbance was evidently of global magnitude extended throughout the world. 3500 to 3000 BC.
Figure 7
Many attribute this climate change to the development of more organized civilizations.
Lamb notes that this is the time of the rapid spread of New Stone Age cultures in Europe; meanwhile there seems to have been a sudden stimulus to the growth of organized civilization, to deliberate cultivation along with development of the tools necessary for such activities.
This seems contradictory because it occurs when the Earth is cooling as evidenced by the treeline and timberline drop of about 300m (Figure 6).
Then a stunning claim appears about the cause of the retreat that,
The regression of densely forested areas (timberline) in the Alps during the past 5,000 years was primarily caused by human impact, whereas the course of treeline gives a more realistic estimation of the climatic influence (Figure H9) (Figure 6 in this article).
Maybe it was the new technology copper-bladed axe Otzi carried that allowed such massive early human deforestation (Figure 8)?
Figure 8
As one authority notes,
Archaeological experiments have shown that the copper axe was an ideal tool for felling trees and could fell a yew tree in 35 minutes without sharpening.
Otzi undoubtedly cut some yew trees to fashion his bow. However, he and his few fellow axemen must have been very busy lowering the timberline across the entire Alps. Pollen diagrams (Figure 9) the authors use show a decline in all species. The fires they built to keep warm during the period also seem to have influenced glacier length.
Apparently the explanation for the author’s claims of such early and massive human influence is given in their conclusion. First they acknowledge some natural causes
It is clear that the position and composition of the timberline ecotone has been sensitive to Holocene climate change. The millennial-scale trends generally reflect gradual decline in Northern Hemisphere insolation from approximately 11% higher-than-present in the early Holocene. Superimposed on this long-term trend are higher-frequency fluctuations related to changes in oceanic circulation, volcanic activity, and solar irradiance or a combination of these factors.
But then, just like the IPCC CO2 claims, the human impact takes over from all natural causes and is predicted to continue.
It is also clear that anthropogenic climate forcing over the next 100 years is likely to rival or exceed the warmest conditions of the Holocene.
It is possible Otzi was fleeing from political persecution, but he learned, as we have, that there is no safe altitude.
[1] “Historical Evidence and Climatic Implications of a Shift in the Boreal Forest Tundra Transition in Central Canada”, Climatic Change 1986, Vol. 7, pp. 218-229
Tim Ball said:
“Figure 3 shows the Greenland ice core temperature record, which reflects hemispheric conditions. Cores are further north than Otzi’s location but likely approximate general conditions.”
No Greenland is the reverse of Europe. During the MWP, Europe was warmest in the 8th century, when Greenland was particularly cold. Around 1200 BC was even colder in Europe, and caused the demise of most cultures around the Mediterranean including the Minoans, and was also the late Neolithic collapse. As ~3200 BC was warm in Greenland, it would have been cold in Europe then too.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/images_article/ngeo1797-f2.jpg
http://snag.gy/TseC7.jpg
3250-3150 BC:
http://web.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/3000bc.html
5200 BP cold event:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N1tcUc293W8C&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=5200+BP+Europe+cold&source=bl&ots=hxuv55hDUj&sig=Gta49IoY99kJaqLAFvO1zjLVZtY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-aFYVdejOIvhggSgn4H4DA&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=5200%20BP%20Europe%20cold&f=false
It seems like the alarmists keep branching out to other scientific fields as soon as the skeptics call them on their bs. I realize better vegetation growth from more co2 generally equals more pollen but I just don’t see how that is such a big deal. I’m sitting here sneezing and itching away but I know it will be over in a few weeks. Is it stretch to say that humans will adapt to the higher pollen levels or that in the near future co2 levels will level out and then drop from new energy technologies bringing pollen levels back down?
You have a nose for allergology.
You mean we have a nose for Algoreology.
dbstealey “You mean we have a nose for Algoreology.”
What we need is a nose clip for Algoreology.
It is patently obvious like many “researchers” this author started with an anthropogenic theory and then pursued it to its “religious conclusion” , the dullards “you must have faith” syndrome. Yawn
For mine, all theory’s demand exhaustive use of the Rudyard Kipling Six Honest Serving Men approach, leave blind faith to the pathological camp followers.
RU mad? Tim Ball is reporting and critiquing the anthro theory. He’s probably one of the original skeptics.
I do have a question about ice core ‘s oxygen isotope ratios. I’ve heard of said that they are local proxies by some. I’ve heard it said that they are hemispheric by others.
From my own research the physics suggest that the ratio represents the entire temperature gradient from evaporation at the tropics to the point of condensation and is not just a local signal.
This leads me to be think that ice cores are hemispheric and not local.
The iceman continues to be one piece of evidence that for at least 5,000 years – because Ötzi perished around that time – the Italian Alps had continued to stay frozen throughout the year. Now they don’t. There are many reasons to believe that the iceman had been continuously covered until 1991 when he was discovered. The most persuasive is that insects and scavengers would have molested the body— they did not—or that the thin birch bark parts of his equipment would have simply blown away.
Pippen Kool looks at all the evidence… and comes to the wrong conclusion.
Belief-based confirmation bias strikes again.
Agreed, he has the climate above treeline thriving with insects and scavengers when nothing can grow there. The nice thing about hiking up there is the lack of six-legged pests, and I don’t recall even pikas up there in the Rockies.
Most of the pikas I have are above tree line. And there are plenty of flies. Actually, in recent years in the CO Rockies, there are even mosquitoes above 9000 ft, something I don’t remember I my younger days.
Except tree line is above 10,000′.
There are a couple of problems with this theory
1) The body had to b chipped out of the ice with pneumatic drills, most of the body was still embedded in ice at the end of the summer of 1991.
2) Archaeologists who have studied the case tend to agree that the body was buried higher on the ridgeline and the ice layer has gradually moved down slope over the millennia. This conclusion was reached as the stones in the ice the body was encased in originated on the ridge.
If you look at the area where Ötzi was found it’s pretty obvious that in the past there was an icefield which covered most of the summits and ridges, Ötzi was perhaps taking the 10 mile walk from Senales (now in Italy) to Vent (now in Austria) and was unable to break his journey at the Similaun Hut because it was several millennia before it was built. He got caught out by a bad storm crossing the icefield and it has taken five millennia for the icefield to melt out enough to find his body.
No doubt, halfway through the next interglacial, the ruins of the Similaun Hut will be found half way down the mountain in one direction or another because it was unwisely built on ground that was previously covered by the icefield. Hopefully, there will be no modern day Ötzi’s amongst the ruins.
Otzi’s death wasn’t so simple Billy. It involved an arrow into his shoulder amongst other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ötzi
Phil,
All that Wiki stuff neglects the fact that there was a lot more ice around in the place where he was found than there is now. He may well have been injured during some inter-tribal fight but ‘examination of the body found bruises and cuts to the hands, wrists and chest and cerebral trauma indicative of a blow to the head’ so he could equally well have fallen down a crevasse on his way back home. One archaeologist says he was wearing snowshoes.
Pippen, freezing is not nature’s only method of preserving of a cadaver.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
You are off on a tangent which has no relevance to the evidence presented.
Mr Kool,
Congratulations! You’ve appear to me to have concluded that…
1. The Earth seems to be warming over the recent (geologically speaking) past.
2. Climate in specific regions changes over time.
I think 97% of the skeptics that frequent this site would agree with both of those conclusions. Of course, this large-scale agreement/consensus doesn’t make us correct, but since the warmists love consensus on science so much, I thought that high percentage might resonate with you.
So, what is your point and are you driving at something deeper than the two points i’ve listed? I’m resisting putting words in your mouth and trying to get actual words from you. Are you trying to imply that this is some kind of data point we should take as validation of CAGW/ACC? Because if that is your point, I’ll have to throw the bulls#!t flag on you.
And for my general rhetorical questions to all…
Is it just me, or do warmists ALWAYS look for a cause that allows them to argue taking control of all aspects of our lives? Why is it that warmists cannot allow themselves to consider the simplest answers (e.g. natural variation), ala Occam’s razor?
Bruce
“1. The Earth seems to be warming over the recent (geologically speaking) past.”
Wrong. Should be cooling. ötzi should have been safe in his ice burial for many many thousands of years. But we have reversed that trend in a short century.
Pippen K sez:
But we have reversed that trend in a short century.
“WE”?? Got a mouse in your pocket, PK?
Folks, that’s what’s known as an “assertion”. A conjecture. A baseless opinion.
That makes it scientifically worthless. Here’s why:
NO ONE has ever quantified the fraction of man-made global warming (MMGW) that is supposedly a part of total global warming from all forcings; human and natural.
In other words, the ‘dangerous MMGW’ scare is based on… nothing.
In science, DATA IS ESSENTIAL. Measurements are data. But neither Pippen Kool nor anyone else has ever produced any measurements quantifying MMGW. Not a single one. Because there are no such measurements. There is no MMGW data. None.
So Pipen Kool is blowing smoke, as usual. The “dangerous MMGW” narrative is nothing but a giant head fake, promoted by self-serving politicos and their bought and paid for scientists — and their unpaid lemmings like PK.
PK needs to produce accurate, testable measurements quantifying MMGW. If he can’t, then he’s trying to sell a pig in a poke. Because he’s got nothin’.
Sorry, it seems you are wrong. Solar forcing is down and we are off the maximum some 4 to 10 thousand years ago, according to Marcott 2013. Well, unless you count now. You should really read the literature and be a little skeptical of the blogosphere. You are a skeptic, you say, so get with it.
So climate changes all the time, as you say, but we are changing it more. As I said.
PK,
You completely changed the subject! That’s lame. I know why you did it: because you can’t answer the fact that you have no MMGW data. All you have are your baseless assertions: “we are changing it more.”
Well, chump, quantify “more”. There’s your challenge. Produce testable measurements quantifying “more”.
If you can, you win the debate. You will also be the first to do it.
If you can’t, then nothing’s changed: you’ve lost the argument and the debate.
You must be used to losing this debate. You are incapable of producing any verifiable measurements quantifying MMGW. Therefore, it’s nothing but a Belief on your part. That ain’t good enough.
Well, how is your shell. I can’t remember, how many of the last 15 years are the the warmest 10? Was not 2014 the hottest year in most of the temperature records? It’s 2015 on track to be warmer, esp with the El Niño coming? If an El Niño comes, it might catapult your sacred satellite records to records as well.
The data is there, you can’t see it.
Nice try PK, but no bananas.
My “recent (geologically speaking) past” is since the little ice age of hundreds of years. Wouldn’t you agree that we’ve warmed since the Little Ice Age? Wouldn’t you agree that the 18th century is recent, geologically speaking?
And, you seem to have ignored my questions.
Using data and methods from the PK team…
http://woodfortrees.org/graph/best/plot/best/trend
wood for trees plot of BEST (1800-present) and the BEST linear trend.
Boulder Skeptic says:
… you seem to have ignored my questions.
Mine, too. Pippen can’t answer, so he changes the subject, as usual.
And responding to my endlessly repeated requests for any measurements quantifying MMGW, PK says:
The data is there, you can’t see it.
LOL!! PK is saying: “Trust me, the data is there.” Or, “Take my word for it, we have those measurements.”
No, you don’t. You’ve got nothing.
There are no measurements or data that quantify AGW. Despite $billions spent searching over decades, no one has found any measurements showing the fraction of MMGW out of total natural global warming.
The alarmist cult is trying to sell the public a pig in a poke, when there’s nothing there. The whole carbon scare is a HOAX of epic proportions, and only a few true believers like PK still swallow that bogus claim.
Yet more evidence that skeptics have been correct: The current climate is not changing in dangerous or unusual ways. No wonder the cliamte extremists hate us and lie about us so much.
How is it folks could be so in love with frozen wastelands and glaciers that they would fret about them getting smaller?
Have you ever even seen a glacier? Walked on one? Looked down a crevice? Felt them move under you? They are things of unbelievable beauty.
‘Crevices’ (usually known as crevasses) have killed many, many people and in Antarctica swallowed a few large vehicles too.
Yes, crevasses, now stop spell checking me stupid computer.
to Liar: That’s why one ropes up on a glacier. And yes, they can be dangerous places, even for the experienced. Not as bad as an ice fall, but those are even more beautiful, so they must be more dangerous.
“They are things of unbelievable beauty.”
And an essential source of WATER for many parts of the world such as the Ganges River which would all but stop if they all stopped melting.
Okay, a nice place to visit and then go back to the tropics. Surely they’ll stay big enough to support tourism.
For about 2 months during the past few winters my empty fields have looked like tundra. That’s as much as I care to deal with. We enjoy taking our horses to the southwest mountains in the winter (snowbirds).
As I always point out to alarmists, over 90% of earth’s species are all huddled together in the tropics.
Interesting, thanks.
Note that pollen is not the seed that grows to form a new plant.
It is the equivalent of the male contribution in mammals – pollen is a capsule for sperm or things that make sperm. (Refer to the Wikipedia article, which has the colourized photo you used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollen)
(Pollination in plants varies, some plants have male and female individuals. For example, a Himalayan Cedar near me produces much pollen each fall but there isn’t a female tree nearby. A few blocks away there is a pair across the street from each other.)
The resulting seed from the female tree will grow something. From Himalayan Cedars that is a winged item, somewhat like fir/spruce/pine but the entire cone is seed so only a spike is left.
(Himalayan Cedars are very close to Lebanon Cedars, Blue Atlas Cedar is a relative, all are in the larch branch of the pine family. “cedar” only means aromatic wood, the third wave of European immigrants to North America used the term for West Coast Cedar as some had seen Lebanon Cedars. They were a planting fad when my neighbourhood was infilled with many houses, tall conical shape IIRC like a Western Hemlock, but appearance deteriorates with age. As a large tree it is not suited to be near houses due danger of breaking. (Worse when someone unwisely topped the tree, that results in multiple tops which are weak, one broke off of the tree near me.)
Evidence of a high-Andean, mid-Holocene plant community: An ancient DNA analysis of glacially preserved remains1
Around the world, tropical glaciers and ice caps are retreating at unprecedented rates because of climate change. In at least one location, along the margin of the Quelccaya Ice Cap in southeastern Peru, ancient plant remains have been continually uncovered since 2002. We used genetic analysis to identify plants that existed at these sites during the mid-Holocene.
• Methods: We examined remains between 4576 and 5222 yr old, using PCR amplification, cloning, and sequencing of a fragment of the chloroplast trnL intron. We then matched these sequences to sequences in GenBank.
http://www.amjbot.org/content/97/9/1579.full
Isn’t that circumstantial evidence that it was warmer between 4576 and5222 years ago?
I was reading some of Dr. Ball’s past articles when I stumbled over this quote:
I think those words are worth repeating here in a Dr. Ball thread. I agree with Dr. Ball on the fact that the alarmists are waging a political war and not a scientific one.
They are waging MindWar.
FROM PSYOPS TO MINDWAR:
The Psychology of Victory
http://www.markdice.com/documents/MindWar_co_authored_by_Michael%20Aquino.pdf
+10. Dr. Ball pegged it. The cliamte obsessed are hoping to shout down skeptics with bs and name calling.
I don’t recall the word for people giving human attributes to animals, but it seems there are some alarmist scientists giving human attributes to the natural climate.
an·thro·po·mor·phize (ăn′thrə-pə-môr′fīz′)
v. an·thro·po·mor·phized, an·thro·po·mor·phiz·ing, an·thro·po·mor·phiz·es
v.tr.
To ascribe human characteristics to.
v.intr.
To ascribe human characteristics to things not human.
This may be just my ignorance but the succession communities right up to the alpine is pretty well studied I mean there is a sort of “in your face” correspondence of communities separated by altitude or latitude it would be really interesting for somebody to at least compile a catalog of historic epochs and what observation has told us about the last 10,000 years. I understand that in that time frame there is evidence of more plains type environment that has been swallowed by the rain forest in Brazil it would be fascinating to take a look at the compiled communities have to say about climate. Drought in the SW US I’m sure has been the rule not the exception.
Dr Ball.
You always make earth/climate history articles understandable and very interesting to read,
The axe pictured in figure 8 appears to be a weapon (a tomahawk), not a felling axe. Although it was probably also used to split kindling (there are marks and scratches on the blade), it would have been unsuitable for felling even small trees. Despite archeological ‘experiments’ showing it could, this axe was too valuable to risk hacking at trees.
Otzi was also armed with bow and arrows and a knife. The knife is described as a ‘dagger’, but it appears to be just a short-bladed utility knife, not a weapon. He was apparently killed by an arrow to his back. My bet is he was the (possibly sole) survivor of an attack who was followed and finished off trying to escape over the mountain pass. I think it unlikely he was a woodsman, simple villager or shepherd ambushed by brigands.
Of course, the questions arises: why didn’t whoever killed him take the axe? or his bow and arrows? Maybe he managed to crawl away and hide before he died from his wound.
He tells us quite a lot, really.
Speaking as a layman on this subject of Ortzi, but with a modicum of experience with different types of axes and their uses, I would tend to agree that there is no way we are looking at a felling axe. On many counts it is physically not suited for the task, plus, what would a traveling person do with felled green wood?
Splitting smaller dried pieces of wood for fire? I think the binding would have gotten damaged quickly.
Splitting someone’s (or something’s) skull open? That seems much more likely.
I’d go with ‘tomahawk.’
Spot on. In all of human history, no one has carried an axe specialized for kindling.
The axe was probably used for whatever need be done.
Many scientists think Ötzi was normally a shepherd who ended up in the wrong crowd. We will never really know, but it’s fun to imagine.
Nevertheless, so much was learned from this single find, of the clothes and technology that was present at that time. It would seem that Europe at that time was technologically equivalent or ahead of the Americans 5000 years before we met them.
Over the tree line there is grass and this is still used today in the Alps for cattle pasture during the summer. No idea if it was practiced 5000 yrs ago, but Otzi could have been a cattle rustler that got caught.
Spot on.
Dartmoor in South West England is an upland area that has been researched for centuries and offers some of the most extensive Bronze age artefacts in Europe including stone pillars and rows and villages such as Grimspound that can be visited to this day.
As even wikipedia admits, the climate was warmer then that it is now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmoor
tonyb
Grimspound is a fortified hill settlement, they became common in the British Isles from the 13th century BC because of deteriorating climatic conditions. A second wave of hill forts were built in the 8th century BC during a further cool wet period for the UK.
@Dahlquist… the word you seek I believe is anthropomorphism or anthropomorphic tendency. The attributed or adjudged (can’t read minds of course) motive for the behavior is generally projection… the attribution of feelings, motives or characteristics possessed by oneself onto others due to an emotional or psychological need as opposed to an empathic or reasoned understanding of the actual needs, feelings or thoughts of the object of the projection.
Narcissistic use of another being or object to align the world around the projector to their desires. A bit of the motto and modus operandi of the IPCC, the entire mission statement is longer and more disingenuous.
Jim…Reminds me of ancients, and a few people today, who, being unable to understand what made the universe and how it works, giving unique attributes to gods and deities to explain things. Today, if you can’t come up with a good, scientific way to explain something about the “climate” as one example, attribute it to the evil humans of the world instead of on natural variability. Very emotional. And then there is the other god for some of the less emotional of them…The money god.
Thanks for the word. My dogs really do love me, of course.
I meant, concerning AGW in attributing it to evil humans.
At no time during those global temperature oscillations, even during the past 10,000 years, did the positive water vapour and methane feedbacks takeoff — only a little CO2 warming causes that.
Have you read Bill Gray’s recent demolition of the feedback theory? Tropic storms and tall thunderheads deposit dry air at altitude, which contradicts AGW and model assumptions. There is no water feedback, and carbon dioxide sensitivity is thus likely down in the 0.2-0.4K range, not 1.5-4.5K.
If IPCC were serious about “climate science”, it would toss all model runs assuming ECS over 3.0, at the very least. Instead of the lowest run assuming 2.1 degrees C per doubling and the highest 4.5, as now, the range could be lowered to 0.0 to 3.0 to see which assumption best matched the (I hope revised to be realistic) record.
It’s sickening how the media which first popularized Dr. Gray now ignore the Father of Hurricanology.
It’s all men’s fault. Those greens and their political allies and media simply hate people.
R.de Haan.
Being a bit defensive, I take it that you were referring to my statement above. Some of the article here did seem a little emotional rather than logical / rational and it struck me that there are many in the ecology / climatology, “save the world from humanity” crowd that do view opposing opinions with some bit of hate. There is a lot of emotion about the issue and I do know a few people who believe the world would be a better place without humanity. Perhaps it would. But it’s not.
Being new to this blog and a long time skeptic, without really looking into the whole issue much, has made me much more aware of many things concerning AGW. I have been studying up on the subject. Whereas I wouldn’t have thought much about it previously, recently I have heard many conservative politicians and others state that we need to fix global warming, sounding as if it was simply something that just needed to be said for the crowd. Now I notice it and wince and immediately want to show them the facts. The money being spent and wrangled from most of us for the war on global warming by those on the alarmist bandwagon is simply ridiculous and can only be supported by throwing out warnings of terror, starvation, the end of mankind, etc. For some it is political, others for position and money and for many it is almost a religious calling. That is just my opinion.
As we all know, form follows fashion.
The modern day lumbersexual seems to have fashioned his axe after Otzi’s.
http://images.mic.com/7wyvsz5leusoqo8ld7ssv8zzgwj2fcsf9m3wq12iavgdj8kmcrooshwapth0iokz.jpg
@ur momisugly Michael Wassil 12.00pm
Under your scenario Michael, I suppose his pursuers might have already collected a whole bunch of similar axes from his unfortunate colleagues. You can only have so many copper axes. Although I do sympathise with the idea that he was mortally wounded and making a run for it into Austria (possibly plagued by the theme tune to the Sound of Music, or worse still Boney M, if you ever saw the British mountaineering documentary ‘Touching the Void’). That’s what I’d have been doing. And he’d almost made it too.
I read an article somewhere, some time ago, which described the analysis of human DNA extracted from traces of blood on Otzi’s corpse and possessions This reported that he had the blood of no less than three un-related individuals on his knife and other weapons, and the blood of one closely related individual on his back. The inference from this was that he and at least one fellow clansman had been involved in a vicious and bloody fight with the members of an unrelated group, following which he had at some point carried a wounded comrade on his back, before eventually being attacked and killed himself. One can only imagine the desperation of trying to save one’s cousin or brother rather than flee alone, and then paying for it with one’s life. Poor sod.
Interesting indeed. I was unaware of the DNA evidence you mention. It corroborates the supposition that he was a participant in a fight/battle of some sort prior to his own death. Just a guess, of course, but I don’t think his pursuers would have left the axe no matter how many of his unfortunate colleagues may have had one. It would have been the ’44 Magnum’ of its day. So I still think he managed to escape after being wounded. Thus he avoided getting stripped and probably mutilated.
Dr Ball writes:
“The climate pattern assumed he [Otzi] was later covered in ice and exposed by modern warming.”
I read recently (here?) that Otzi was preseved so well because he was continuously encased in ice since immediately after he expired. Further, the melting of his ice tomb was caused by a freak sand storm in the Sahara that carried large amounts of brown grit to the Alps. The dark grit absorbed solar energy and melted the ice covering Otzi. He had to be dug out quickly because fresh snow would have obliterated the grit and he would have been re-frozen. I wonder what his original resting place looks like today? Ice or ice-free?
Palynology is almost certainly where the concept of a tipping point came from. Many years ago when I was studying a Geology Degree we were given a series of lectures by a quaternary Geologist – Dr Russel Coope. In his keenness to demonstrate the importance of his field he proceeded to demonstrate that the temperature of the Northern Atlantic changed rapidly at the commencement of an ice advance. By rapidly, I mean within a few years – something inconceivable in terms of geological time. Anyhow, so determined was he that the ice man cometh that he spent an inordinate amount of time talking about the polar from and how it could rapidly move so that the front passed across the atlantic to Spain instead of being wrapped around Greenland. The proxies he used were Foraminifera and Beetle tests. Russel was no doubt extremely clever and he also had a powerful ego, all of which no-doubt combined in a perfect storm to introduce the concept of a “tipping point” from which if we did not retreat then there would be woes and disasters on the Earth. We even had a discussion as to how we might avert the coming disaster – nobody seemed to be talking about Carbon Dioxide though.
*Polar front*
@ur momisugly Michael Wassil 12.00pm
Yes I think you are probably right on consideration. He had quite an inventory of valuable equipment left on him really, so depending upon the physical state and remaining number of his final attackers, one would think that his corpse would have been robbed and perhaps trophy’s taken.
The lethal arrow wound did apparently cut into an artery, so that most likely bled rapidly to death, but he could have been some distance ahead of his pursuers, making off into fading light, or perhaps he still had had companions around, who protected him till he died.
It’s a strange, enigmatic moment from the distant past. A bit like the rain pits that one sometimes finds preserved in the ripple-marked, inter-tidal sandstone beds of some Proterozoic Australian shoreline of a thousand million years ago – a nice day: sunny with occasional showers. Unlike Otzis’, which obviously wasn’t his best.
Misplaced apostrophe..