Josh writes:
Following the hilarious post on how Climate Change now causes volcanoes to erupt “everywhere”, Josh opines, “What next, anthropogenic sunshine?”
Josh writes:
Following the hilarious post on how Climate Change now causes volcanoes to erupt “everywhere”, Josh opines, “What next, anthropogenic sunshine?”
Some choose to dismiss this paper, but I’m uncomfortable with the implication that climate has no effect on volcanism. We…just…don’t…know.
Would employing Occam’s Razor and a sense of proportion be too out of line?
Works great for tooth fairies and the monster under my bed.
Some years ago I spoke to someone in New Zealand who said CO2 driven AGW was causing earthquakes, in particular earthquake storms and an increase in strength and frequency.
Years old hearsay of a prophecy that turned out to be wrong? How interesting.
If they want to blab about volcanoes and glaciers in Iceland they maybe should examine the eruptive history of Askja caldera as it is in a precipitation-shadow area of central Iceland, so less snow falls and can accumulate into a glacier upon it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Askja.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askja
In 1875 the volcano exploded and ejected 2.5 cubic km of material, in a few short hours. Today the water in the caldera (Öskjuvatn lake) and even the ground is too warm for ice to form in winter and remain on it through the year. Hence no glacier has been able to form in almost 150 years due to the geothermal flux in the area causing the rate of snow accumulation to be too low to outpace the rate of induced geothermal melting.
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Víti – warm lake in a crater
“… In fact, the caldera contains several volcanoes, including Víti, a maar (explosive volcanic crater) formed at the end of the eruption in 1875. Water has accumulated in the crater. Its temperature is variable, depending on how much meltwater is discharged into it in springtime – it is around 30°C on average. The depth of the water is greatest at the centre, more than 8 metres. Víti is a popular bathing site, but if you intend taking a dip, please be aware that the sloping path is very slippery in wet weather and the mud at the bottom is quite hot, especially on the eastern bank. …”
http://www.vatnajokulsthjodgardur.is/english/education/askja/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96skjuvatn
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So it has the typical elevated geotherm of an Icelandic caldera sans the obscuring ice covering it from us. All these active calderas have routine regular magma emplacements occurring higher into an already thin and heated crust. So that could have nothing to do with secular melting and also high emplacement enhanced pre-melting, prior to it finally erupting under the glacier, due to one intrusion too many accruing and burping the resulting exsolved gas contents, in the usual extrusive and exhalative mechanisms of subaerial eruptions.
Oh noes!! … it must be due to AGW!
Sure, why not, makes sense, forget Occam’s Razor.
So it’s an almost pre-industrial example of enhanced geothermal heating, since 1875’s eruption of the Askja area, with no ad-hoc contrived ‘need’ for some AGW glacial pre-melt ‘explanation’, within in a protracted ‘hiatus’ and no need for the resulting CO2-inspired AGW production of what comes out the south-end of a north-facing bull.
Published within the prestigious journal of fish and chips wraps I suppose.
Climate change is good for the whales!
Warmer oceans mean more plankton — and all sea life will benefit from that.
Yes, we have truly entered the Age Of Pisces. The benefits of more fish in our diet will far outweigh any troubles that changing weather brings to our agriculture because those troubles will limit our ability to produce red meat! I predict that in ten years time red meat will have disappeared from our stores and children will not even know what it is. And the world will be a better place for that!
And eels are a much under utilized food source. They favored compacted group living thus making then ideal for fish farming. And did you know that the oceans have their own form of insect life??? They are called lobsters! Insect are a nutritious food source favored in many countries around the world and when the sea is at our doorsteps so will be the lobsters!
I could go on and on but I feel that I have made my point and I will diligently re-read what I have written and find out what it is.
Eugene WR Gallun
And all these naughty fish have gills that respire O2, and exhale CO2, so the more fish we get, the sooner the oceans will boil, and then the oceanic insects will not even need to be cooked!
Win-Win!
I never thought of it this way but I think you are right
Also Icelands Bardarbunga eruption is one we should be worried about NOTglobal warming it is spewing out 30000-40000 tons of SO2 gas every day and the experts say the eruption could last for 12 months or more or it could go into a full eruption . Bardarbunga web cam.http://weerstationlangerak.nl/bardarbunga/webcams.html
…… And oceans make climate, right? 🙂 http://www.oceanclimate.de/
JIBANANANDA DAS
A strange darkness has come upon the the world today,
Those who are most blind see the best now.
Those whose hearts lack love, warmth, pity’s stirrings,
The world dares not move without their counsel today.
Those who yet possess an abiding faith in man,
To whom still now high truths or age-old customs
Or arts or austere practices all seem natural,
Their hearts are victuals for vultures and jackals today.
Translation: William Raddice (modified)
good grief mate, pack it in I was cheerful until I got here!!
Brandon Gates says:
Someone needs to remind him that correlation is not causation.
As I’ve been saying for years and years. But it’s apparently a new concept to some folks.
I’ve truly tried to employ, but It won’t is effective in any way.
We are also told of general catastrophes and a succession of deluges, of the alternation of periods of repose and disorder, of the refrigeration of the globe, and of the sudden annihilation of whole races of animals and plants, and other hypotheses, in which we see the ancient spirit of speculation revived, and a desire manifested to cut, rather than patiently to untie, the Gordian knot. CHARLES LYELL
Mate I dont think I have ever seen on here a post whose writer so desperately needs a beer
“What next, anthropogenic sunshine?”
Actually on the Weather Network and Weather Channel there’s nothing like 4 warm days in a row to start the presenters banging on about AGW.
A stretch of sunny hot weather invariably brings out the doom mongers especially if temperatures have been above ‘normal’. I think by above normal they actually mean above average.
http://thefrugalwinesnob.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/TimeMagCovers.jpg
I think this Time’s front page has more to do with climate change then most would like to admit.
http://pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-241.htm
I dont see why this is coming in for such ridicule. To me, an avid lurker on WUWT, it makes more sense to go along with this report. One cant have it both ways, wasnt it on here we were talking,not many days/weeks ago, that the amount of melting at the edge of the Greenland ice sheet was influenced by the fact that the weight of the ice sheet had depressed the land mass to the extent that the coastal waters deepen towards the coast rather than away from it.
This also concurrs with the fact that whale bones can still be found in scottish valleys well above sea level due to the faster rising of Scotland (faster than post glacial SLR) after the removal of the Ice sheet.
Why then if the Ice sheet in Iceland is reducing in size and weight – after all this isnt that surprising – would it not be reasonable to expect the crust to start moving and easing upwards as the weight reduces. Its logical and makes sense that this would give more opportunities for magma to rise upwards. So whats the beef here it is a side show to global warming but not unreasonable in such a dynamic volcanic region on the edge of Arctic conditions. The WAIS is the only other volcanic region capped by massive ice sheets that depress the earths crust (that I am aware of anyway) – but that is still under the extended antarctic ice sheet and not subject at present to significant loss of depth other than from thermal activity underneath ( I know that is a little open to dispute but not the scale)
I am sceptical to CAGW but I would also be sceptical to the criticism of this report from Icelandic scientists, I think it makes very good sense
Bingo. But tying global warming to increased vulcanism is a loose correlation because as the ice sheet has been removed, plate tectonics allow deflection upwards of the crust and reduce mass pressure on volcanically prone regions, which is akin to removing the cork from a bottle of soda. The loss of the ice sheet 11,500 ya also explains why parts of the NH continue to GAIN height relative to sea level, and why previously submerged/depressed land masses continue pushing the oceans elsewhere, thereby causing lands farther south to LOSE height relative to sea level.
You’re talking a loose correlation at best, and long time frames are involved. CAGW alarmists pretend that if we keep pumping out CO2 from fossil fuels, volcanic Armageddon will be one of the results. That’s just silly.
After the last big ice age, land was depressed by the huge weight of the glaciers. In some places it has now risen again. But nothing harms humans like a big explosive volcano like Mt.Vesuvius. It wasn’t lava, it was the toxic pyroclastic flows of ash and pumice. Mt.Etna and Stromboli are always erupting and so are some in the ring of fire and Japan. Just check volcano eruptions on the internet. Goes on all the time, with earthquakes.