Super-Heated Air from Climate Science on NOAA’s “Hottest” Year

Guest Post by Roman Mureika

It was bound to happen eventually. We could see it coming – a feeding frenzy from “really, it is still getting warmer” to “we told you so: this is proof positive that the science is settled and we will all boil or fry!” The latest numbers are in and they show the “hottest” year since temperature data has become available depending on which data you look at.

The cheerleader this time around seems to have been AP science correspondent Seth Borenstein. Various versions of his essay on the topic have permeated most of America’s newspapers including my own hometown Canadian paper. In his articles, e.g. here and here, he throws enormous numbers at us involving probabilities actually calculated (and checked!) by real statisticians which purport to show that the temperatures are still rising and spiraling out of control:

Nine of the 10 hottest years in NOAA global records have occurred since 2000. The odds of this happening at random are about 650 million to 1, according to University of South Carolina statistician John Grego. Two other statisticians confirmed his calculations.

I was duly impressed by this and other numbers in Seth’s article and asked myself what else of this extremely unlikely nature might one find in the NOAA data. With a little bit of searching I was able to locate an interesting tidbit that they clearly missed. If we wind the clock back to 1945 and look back at the previous temperatures, we notice that they also rose somewhat rapidly and new “hot” records were created. In fact, the graphic below shows that the highest 8 temperatures of the 65 year series to that point in time all belonged to the years 1937 to 1944 Furthermore, in that span of eight years, five of these were each a new record! How unlikely is that?

Using the techniques of the AP statisticians, a simple calculation indicates that the chance of all eight years being the highest is 1 in 5047381560 – almost 9 times as unlikely as what occurred in the most recent years! Not to mention the five records…

By now, most of the readers will be mumbling “Nonsense, all these probabilities are meaningless and irrelevant to real-world temperature series” … and they would be absolutely correct! The above calculations were done under the assumption that the temperatures from any one year are all independent of the temperature for any other year. If that were genuinely the case in the real world, a plot of the NOAA series would look like the gray curve in the plot shown below which was done by randomly re-ordering the actual temperatures (in red) from the NOAA data.

For a variety of physical reasons, measured real-world global temperatures have a strong statistical persistence. They do not jump up and down erratically by large amounts and they are strongly auto-correlated over a considerable period of time due to this property. Annual changes are relatively small and when the series has reached a particular level, it may tend to stay around that level for a period of years. If the initial level is a record high then subsequent levels will also be similarly high even if the cause for the initial warming is reduced or disappears. For that reason, making the assumption that yearly temperatures are “independent” leads to probability calculation results which can bear absolutely no relationship to reality. Mr. Borenstein (along with some of the climate scientists he quoted) was unable to understand this and touted them as having enormous importance. The statisticians would probably have indicated what assumptions they had made to him, but he would very likely not have recognized the impact of those assumptions.

How would I have considered the problem of modelling the behaviour of the temperature series? My starting point would be to first look at the behaviour of the changes from year to year rather than the original temperatures themselves to see what information that might provide.

Plot the annual difference series:

change-time-series[1]

Make a histogram:

Calculate some statistics:

Mean = 0.006 = (Temp_2014 – Temp_1880)/134

Median = 0.015

SD = 0.098

# Positive = 71, # Negative = 59, # Equal to 0 = 4

Autocorrelations: Lag1 = -0.225, Lag2 = -0.196, Lag3 = -0.114, Lag4 = 0.217

The autocorrelations could use some further looking into, however, the plots indicate that it might not be unreasonable to assume that the annual changes are independent of each other and of the initial temperature. Now, one can examine the structure of the waiting time from one record year to the next. This can be done with a Monte Carlo procedure using the observed set of 134 changes as a “population” of values to estimate the probability distribution of that waiting time. In that procedure, we randomly sample the change population (with replacement) and continue until the cumulative total of the selected values is greater than zero for the first time. The number of values selected is the number of years it has taken to set a new record and the total can also tell us the amount by which the record would be broken. This is repeated a very large number of times (in this case, 10000) to complete the estimation process.

The results are interesting. The probability of a new record in the year following a record temperature will obviously be the probability that the change between the two years is positive (71 / 134 = 0.530). A run of three or more consecutive record years would then occur about 28% of the time and a run of four or more about 15% of the time given an initial record year.

The first ten values of the probability distribution of the waiting time for a return to a new record as estimated by the Monte Carlo procedure look like this:

Years Probability

1 …….. 0.520

2 …….. 0.140

3 …….. 0.064

4 …….. 0.039

5 …….. 0.027

6 …….. 0.022

7 …….. 0.016

8 …….. 0.012

9 …….. 0.012

10…….. 0.009

Note the rapid drop in the probabilities. After the occurrence of a global record, the next annual temperature is also reasonably likely to be a record, however when the temperature series drops down, it can often take a very long time for it to return to the record level. The probability that it will take at least 5 years is 0.24, at least 18 years is 0.10 and for 45 years or more it is 0.05. The longest return time in the 10000 trial MC procedure was 1661 years! This is due to the persistence characteristics inherent in the model similar to those of a simple random walk or to a Wiener process. However, unlike these stochastic processes, the temperature changes contain a positive “drift” of about 0.6 degrees per century due to the fact that the mean change is not zero thus guaranteeing a somewhat shorter return time to a new record. A duplication of the same MC analysis using changes taken from a normal distribution with mean equal to zero (i.e. no “warming drift”) and standard deviation equal to that of the observed changes produce results very similar to the one above.

The following graph shows the probabilities that the wait for a new record will be a given number of years or longer.

This shows the distribution of the amount by which the old record would be exceeded:

For a more complete analysis of the situation, one would need to take into account the relationships within the change sequence as well as the possible correlation between the current temperature and the subsequent change to the next year (correlation = -0.116). The latter could be a partial result of the autocorrelation in the changes or an indication of negative feedbacks in the earth system itself.

Despite these caveats, it should be very clear that the probabilities calculated for the propaganda campaign to hype the latest record warming are pure nonsense with no relationship to reality. The behaviour of the global temperature series from NOAA in the 21st century is probabilistically unremarkable and consistent with the persistence characteristics of the temperature record as observed in the previous century. Assertions such as “the warmest x of y years were in the recent past” or “there were z records set” when the temperatures had already reached their pre-2000s starting level as providing evidence of the continuation of previous warming are false and show a lack of understanding of the character of the underlying situation. Any claims of an end to the “hiatus” based on a posited 0.04 C increase (which is smaller than the statistical uncertainty of the measurement process) are merely unscientifically motivated assertions with no substantive support. That these claims also come from some noted climate scientists indicates that their science takes a back seat to their activism and reduces their credibility on other matters as a result.

I might add that this time around I was pleased to see some climate scientists who were willing to publicly question the validity of the propaganda probabilities in social media such as Twitter. As well, the (sometimes reluctant) admissions that the 2014 records of other temperature agencies are in a “statistical tie” with their earlier records seems to be a positive step towards a more honest future discussion of the world of climate science.

The NOAA annual data and monthly data can be downloaded from the linked locations.

Note: AP has added a  “clarification” of various issues in the Seth Borenstein article:

In a story Jan. 16, The Associated Press reported that the odds that nine of the 10 hottest years have occurred since 2000 are about 650 million to one. These calculations, as the story noted, treated as equal the possibility of any given year in the records being one of the hottest. The story should have included the fact that substantial warming in the years just prior to this century could make it more likely that the years since were warmer, because high temperatures tend to persist.

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January 25, 2015 5:38 pm

@RomanM: You really believe a PhD Statistician is more competent to assess the behavior of the planet’s atmosphere and AGW, vs a PhD Climate Scientist working in the field?? I find that ludicrous. Dunning-Kreuger effect, in full bloom.

RomanM
Reply to  warrenlb
January 26, 2015 6:33 am

That’s quite a jump from what I wrote:

From my experiences doing statistical consulting in that environment, it was considerably easier for a decent statistician to learn enough of the science to competently approach an unfamiliar problem in another discipline than it was for the scientist to acquire sufficient understanding of the appropriate statistics to properly analyze it themselves.

“Approaching an unfamiliar problem in another discipline” gets translated to “assessing the behavior of the planet’s atmosphere and AGW” (whatever that may mean exactly). That’s what consulting statisticians do every day. The methodology of the “assessment” invariably falls squarely within the area of expertise of the statistician. After a statistician has sufficiently understood the characteristics of the physical situation (it’s usually not rocket science), who do you think has the better tools to recognize which type of analysis is most appropriate?
According to Wikipedia, the definition of the Dunnning-Kruger effect is

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

So you would have us believe that any topic which may have even the slightest connection to climate science is too difficult for a mere “unskilled” statistician untrained in the arcane arts of climate science to understand. It is strange that researchers from other areas of study have actually consulted with statisticians for assistance with their work not realizing how “inept” these statisticians were. If you think that statisticians do not have the “skills” to do original climate science research and to evaluate the work done by others, you are sadly misinformed.
Dunning-Kruger, my (fill in the appropriate body part)!

January 25, 2015 6:11 pm

warrenlb says:
A little upset, DBStealey?
Is that what you think? As I said, I’m laughing at you. I am hardly “upset”.
So, to deconstruct your usual illogical nonsense:
A. Warming of the climate system is unequivocal…
That’s the only one you got right, as I said. The planet is warming, and has been ever since the LIA. But everything else you wrote is wrong. That’s why you failed.
Next, your baseless assertion:
B. Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.
Define “most”, and “likely”. What fraction of the warming, exactly, is AGW? If you cannot provide a specific measurement quantifying that fraction, then all you are doing is asserting. You’re good at that. But you still flunk.
C. Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale.
That says nothing.
D. The range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time.
Define: “evidence”, and “net damage costs”, and “climate change”, and “likely”, and “significant”, and “increase”, in a manner acceptable to all sides of the debate.
E. The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources).
Many more vague terms there: “resilience”, “many ecosystems”, “likely”, “exceeded” [by how much], “unprecedented climate change”, “associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects…)”, “acidification”, “other”, “fragmentation”, etc.
See the problem? Every one of those is an unquantified, vague assertion. That’s fine in astrology, but this is science. Not one thing you mentioned has a number attached.
Next:
“No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points.”
They don’t take a formal position on lots of things. Thus, that statement is just more meaningless pablum. They probably eat it up at Hotwhopper, but this is the internet’s Best Science site. You need to do MUCH better than that.
Next:
My claim was not AGW.
Aside from contradicting yourself in the same sentence, why don’t we just conclude that there is no measurable evidence quantifying AGW. Oh, wait… then there is no debate, is there?
And:
Got any falsifying evidence?
The onus is on you, remember? Your belief is that a rise in CO2 will cause runaway global warming. Skeptics simply respond: “Show us. Support your conjecture with measurable, testable evidence.” But so far, all you have posted are your assertions, plus your endless appeals to corrupt authorities.
Next:
Same as in #1 above.
I did, and noticed:
I specifically said I would only go to credentialed PhD scientists active in the field for reliable intellectually valid assessments of a body of Science.
I could easily rake you over the coals with that one, but I’ll save it for later.
Next:
… all the institutions of science conclude…
Your mind has been colonized with the ‘Appeal to Authority’ logical fallacy, to the point that you cling to it like a drowning man clings to a stick. That makes it no less of a fallacy. You are desperate to get validation from corrupt authorities, but you have no measurements, thus your whole argument consists of vague assertions. That has always been the case.
Next, thank you for re-affirming my statement that “the ‘consensus’ is heavily on the side of climate skeptics.” In fact, it is. When one side of a debate hangs their hat on something so silly, it is just plain fun to deconstruct it for them. In science, ‘consensus’ means nothing — but you believe it means something, so I have fun showing that the consensus’ — which is so very important to you — is yet another thing you are wrong about: you don’t even have a consensus, as you imagine.
Finally, if you actually believe that all the “World’s Institutions of Science conclude AGW”, then your world must be the West. What you are trying to do is paint me into a corner, but you are not nearly smart enough to do that.
All of your arguments seem to be either appeals to corrupt authorities, or logical fallacies, or arguing that everyone agrees that AGW is happening.
But if so, where are the measurements? That is the one essential — and the one thing that you don’t have.
It comes down to this: if AGW exists [and I happen to think it does, although it is so tiny it can’t be quantified], then where are the measurements of AGW? Without verifiable measurements showing the fraction of AGW out of total global warming, all you are left with are your vague assertions. Thus, you lose the debate. Simple as that.

David Socrates
Reply to  dbstealey
January 25, 2015 6:14 pm

” Scientific institutions representing more than a billion people would strongly disagree”

Citation please.

Reply to  David Socrates
January 25, 2015 6:30 pm

Citationj please.
You just can’t learn, can you? No wonder you always get everything wrong.

David Socrates
Reply to  David Socrates
January 25, 2015 6:39 pm

Maybe people could learn something from you if you would post the citation instead of just making assertions without evidence.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Socrates
January 27, 2015 5:23 am
David Socrates
January 25, 2015 6:35 pm

Mr Dbstealey posted this link
..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3144596227_545227fbae_b.jpg
to refute the fact that sea levels are rising.

Not from this link that the data ends in 1999. 15 year old data.

January 25, 2015 7:14 pm

“Old” data? Let’s fix that, then.
Socrates, the more you past, the more of a nitpicking fool you are.
‘Socrates’ is incapable of learning. All the misinformation he believes, he got from other know-nothings. But for reeaders who sincerely want to learn, here are links to lots of different sources:
click1
click2
click3
click4
click5
click6
click7
click8
click9
click10
click11
click12
click13
click14
click15
click16 [1880’s vs current, gif]
click17
click18
click19
click20
click21
click22
click23
click24
click25
Every one of those links debunks the nonsense that sea levels are accelerating. More here, and I have more available upon request.
It gets tedious dealing with unteachable fools. I don’t do it to try and educate the hard-headed, but rather to debunk their globaloney.
“Accelerating sea level rise” is just one of the really stupid claims of the ignorant alarmists. They will refuse to accept verifiable data, but instead, they argue incessantly. That’s what the incurably ignorant do. But for those who truly want to learn, there is a wealth of knowledge posted here. It will take a couple of days to read and understand it all, so take your time. This isn’t something learned overnight. And good luck, to those who really want to learn about sea levels.

David Socrates
Reply to  dbstealey
January 25, 2015 8:52 pm

Link 1 sure does look like it’s accelerating
Link 2 is only three years long
Link 3 shows 2.76 mm/yr which is higher than the 20th century average
Link 4 “based on nine select stations”…….not even global
Link 5 doesn’t show an average
Link 6 clearly shows acceleration
Link 7 shows a drop?????…..bogus
Link 8 shows an acceleration
Link 9 doesn’t have the y-axis labeled
Link 10 Is a paper showing acceleration……thanks for shooting yourself in your own foot
Link 11 x-axis is overlapping, and meaningless

…Enough half ( 11 out of 23) are junk

Posting bogus links proves nothing

David Socrates
Reply to  dbstealey
January 25, 2015 8:57 pm

You post 25 links to try to prove your point, yet you cannot post one single link to the evidence that CO2 was 20x higher in the past than today.

Too funny

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Socrates
January 27, 2015 7:09 am

David Socrates

…. post one single link to the evidence that CO2 was 20x higher in the past than today.

David, would a citation for “17.5X higher CO2 ppm” ….. tickle your fancy?
If so, here are two (2) such links with included graphs, to wit:
Paleo historic graph of atmospheric CO2 and temperatures
source – http://www.biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html
Climate and the Carboniferous Period

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).
source – http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

David S, it really doesn’t surprise me any that there are so MANY recently educated individuals, especially School Teachers, …. that are experiencing a dire mental quandary and/or state of abject frustration simply because of their formal educational nurturing which has made them passionate religious believers in/of the Political Correct “junk science” that has been being taught in the Public Schools and colleges since the mid 1970’s. (the same time that liberals & Wacky Tobacca use permeated the public schools)
I mean like, think of the mental quandary that a Teacher of Science is experiencing when he/she is “reading n’ learning” the actual, factual Science that is presented hereon WUWT ….. and knowing full well that he/she must continue their teaching of the aforesaid “Political Correct “junk science” to all of their assigned students …. or suffer reprimand, if not loss of employment, from School Administrators for violating the “teaching of the SB specified curriculum”.
Cheers

David Socrates
Reply to  dbstealey
January 25, 2015 9:16 pm

Link 16 is super funny

Doesn’t show anything

Reply to  David Socrates
January 25, 2015 11:36 pm

Soxie,
Keep trying, you can probably find something to nitpick about in every one of them. Anyone on either side can find something to nitpick about in anything, if they want to.
But when you find something to whine about in every citation — all 25 of them! — that makes it clear that you have an agenda. Don’t deny it, or you will be an even bigger fool. And yes, skeptics have an agenda: scientific veracity. You should try it.
Of course, you are deliberately missing the central message: the natural rise in sea level is nothing unusual. As some of the links prove, it is decelerating. I know that tends to make your head explode, but that’s your problem, not ours.
You are just being your usual irrational self. I larfed out loud when I started reading your list [“Doesn’t show an average!! X-axis overlapping!!”]. I made you go crazy, didn’t I? [well, I didn’t make you nuts, but still… ☺]
I posted 25 citations, from numerous different sources. You hate every one of them, because they deconstruct your True Belief. I can post another 25 — and I may, just for my own amusement. It’s fun spinning you up like that.
You are becoming increasingly bizarre, arguing about everything. Being emotionally disturbed by this subject affects everything you write. But your criticisms are total nonsense, as anyone can see. Sea level rise is not accelerating, no matter how much you want to believe it is. Not even your own side agrees with you on that.
I post facts, but you sure don’t like facts! Facts are killing you. Skeptics have a mountain of facts that debunk your MMGW nonsense. The biggest fact of all — the fact that destroys your argument completely — is the fact that Planet Earth is larfing at you, too.
When I see you go off the deep end like that, I feel that my mission is complete. I feel a glow of satisfaction. But please, give me more! I love playing Whack-A-Mole — and you’re the mole.☺
[PS: you say #16 Doesn’t show anything. Well, no kidding, boy! There has been zero visible change in sea level for more than a century. That was the point — which whizzed right over your head, just like everything else.]

Reply to  David Socrates
January 27, 2015 7:52 am

I have a link showing that CO2 was ≈20X higher in the past. But socrates won’t get it unless he meets my condition.
He can take it or leave it. The choice is his. In the mean time, I am having a fun time watching him squirm.

David Socrates
Reply to  David Socrates
January 27, 2015 7:57 am

You got squat

January 25, 2015 7:28 pm

: Still no effort by you to falsify my proposition that all Institutions of Science conclude the 5 points re: AGW. I call your lack of effort to the attention of those from whom you demand falsifying evidence.
And also call attention to your repeated denial, and then dismissal, of the scientific consensus on AGW, while repeatedly citing the consensus of ‘skeptics’ as support for your position – while not defining your position!
So which is it:
A: The Earth is not Warming
B: The Earth is warming, but Man is not the Cause
C: The Earth is warming, Man is the Cause, but the Effects will not be strongly negative, OR
D: Earth is Warming, Man is the Cause, the Effects will be strongly negative, but I don’t care.
We have no idea which position you hold. Do you?

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  warrenlb
January 25, 2015 8:31 pm

Warrenlb

C: The Earth is warming, Man is the Cause, but the Effects will not be strongly negative

Well, YOUR answers are all wrong. So I will have to add another one.
E: The Earth is warming, Man might be the cause of a small part of that warming (1/6 – 1/10 of the measured natural increase that began 450 years ago), but the Effects of that warming will be strongly POSITIVE in all regards, and the useless and futile anti-energy efforts to control CO2 in a useless and futile effort to control the earth’s temperature changes will continue to be IMMEDIATELY DEADLY to millions, and STRONGLY NEGATIVE to billions over the next 85 years.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 25, 2015 8:54 pm

RACookPE1978
.
Science does not make a value judgement as to whether the warming will be good or bad.
.
Please try and stick to the science.

January 25, 2015 7:43 pm

warrenlb says:
Still no effort by you to falsify my proposition…
You don’t get it. It would be a waste of time falsifying your logical fallacy. It is self-falsifying, because it is a logical fallacy.
You are just wasting everyone’s time here. I have answered all your points in detail, but you just keep repeating them.
If you believe “Man is the Cause” [which you obviously do], then post measurements proving that. Show us the specific fraction of global warming attributable to humans.
It always comes back to verifiable measurements, doesn’t it? But you’ve got none. You don’t have a single measurement of AGW. Do you? So you just keep repeating the same old nonsense over and over, ad nauseum.
You lost, bud. Deal with it.

January 25, 2015 8:00 pm

.
So in conclusion, you
a) Cannot falsify the proposition that all the Planet’s Institutions of Science conclude AGW. That’s understandable, since it’s true.
b) Continue to cite the consensus of skeptics as supportive of your undefined position, but deny that consensus in peer-reviewed science (which has a defined position on AGW) is meaningful.
I leave it to the reader to judge this outcome.

January 25, 2015 10:50 pm

warrenlb sez:
“So…”
‘So’ nothing. Without any measurments, you lost the debate.
That’s why you harp on your stupid ‘consensus’ nonsense, and your stupid appeals to corrupt authorities. You’ve got nothing else.
I leave it to the readers to laugh at these alarmist fools. They haven’t got a clue.

RomanM
January 26, 2015 7:51 am

@warrenlb
Here is an example of a statistical statement from NOAA (bold mine):

The plus/minus numbers, which are presented in the data tables of the monthly and annual Global State of the Climate reports, indicate the range of uncertainty (or “range”) of the reported global temperature anomaly. For example, a reported global value of +0.69°C ±0.09°C indicates that the most likely value is 0.69°C warmer than the long-term average, but, conservatively, one can be confident that it falls somewhere between 0.60°C and 0.78°C above the long-term average. More technically, it is 95% likely that the value falls within this range. The chance of the actual value being at or beyond the range on the warm side is 2.5% (one in forty chance). Likewise, the chance of the actual value being at or beyond the cool end of the range is 2.5% (one in forty chance).

Is this statement scientifically and statistically correct?
If you look at the Wikipedia page on confidence intervals, you find the following:

A 95% confidence interval does not mean that for a given realised interval calculated from sample data there is a 95% probability the population parameter lies within the interval, nor that there is a 95% probability that the interval covers the population parameter. Once an experiment is done and an interval calculated, this interval either covers the parameter value or it does not, it is no longer a matter of probability. The 95% probability relates to the reliability of the estimation procedure, not to a specific calculated interval.[11] Neyman himself made this point in his original paper:[3]

The climate scientist who wrote NOAA statement is making a rookie error. The latter statement is what is taught in the most basic initial course in statistics. Once the data has been collected and the specific interval calculated, the result is no longer random – the actual mean global temperature is either in the interval or it is not. Given that the assumptions inherent to the situation are reasonably satisfied, we do know that the calculated interval is the result of a procedure that contains the unknown parameter about 95% of the time. Whether it has done so on this occasion is uncertain. That is why it is called a “confidence” interval and not a “probability” interval. Similarly, we do not know that “the most likely value is 0.69°C warmer than the long-term average”. It may be considered to be the “best estimate” of the actual value under the assumptions of the procedure, but “most likely” again assumes a post-experiment probability distribution.
But you knew that already, didn’t you?

Reply to  RomanM
January 26, 2015 2:35 pm

Which is a more severe rookie error, your statistical nit-pick, or this claim:
“…… Man might be the cause of a small part of that warming (1/6 – 1/10 of the measured natural increase that began 450 years ago), but the Effects of that warming will be strongly POSITIVE in all regards, and the useless and futile anti-energy efforts to control CO2 in a useless and futile effort to control the earth’s temperature changes will continue to be IMMEDIATELY DEADLY to millions, and STRONGLY NEGATIVE to billions over the next 85 years.”
How does a statistician arrive at this grand conclusion, disagreeing with all peer-reviewed science, with no explanation, substantiation, or publishing trail to support it?

David Socrates
Reply to  warrenlb
January 26, 2015 2:39 pm

My guess it that it is the product of the methodical application of intense wing-nuttery

January 26, 2015 10:04 am

Roman says:
But you knew that already, didn’t you?
Thanks for the chuckle. ☺ 
Excellent article, BTW. I hope we can look forward to more.

January 26, 2015 2:41 pm

Which is the more severe rookie error, your statistical nit-pick, or this claim:
“…..Man might be the cause of a small part of that warming (1/6 – 1/10 of the measured natural increase that began 450 years ago), but the Effects of that warming will be strongly POSITIVE in all regards, and the useless and futile anti-energy efforts to control CO2 in a useless and futile effort to control the earth’s temperature changes will continue to be IMMEDIATELY DEADLY to millions, and STRONGLY NEGATIVE to billions over the next 85 years. ”
You are a statistician, not a Climate Scientist, offering this grand conciusion disagreeing with all peer-reviewed science, without explanation, substantiation, or peer-reviewed publishing trail.
As DBStealey, says “Thanks for the chuckle”

RomanM
Reply to  warrenlb
January 26, 2015 3:53 pm

You still don’t get it. How can you put your faith into the statistical abilities of people who don’t even have a good grasp of the basics? Your strong reaction in posting this comment twice is an indication that you find it very unsettling when someone points out a flaw in some of your heroes.
Funny, I don’t remember saying anything even faintly resembling your invented quote that you ascribe to me nor is it even something that I could come up with in my wildest dreams. As David Socrates observes, it is indeed “a product of the methodical application of intense wing-nuttery”.

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  warrenlb
January 26, 2015 4:36 pm

warrenlb (quoting RACook )

“…..Man might be the cause of a small part of that warming (1/6 – 1/10 of the measured natural increase that began 450 years ago), but the Effects of that warming will be strongly POSITIVE in all regards, and the useless and futile anti-energy efforts to control CO2 in a useless and futile effort to control the earth’s temperature changes will continue to be IMMEDIATELY DEADLY to millions, and STRONGLY NEGATIVE to billions over the next 85 years. ”

And what part of that statement is incorrect?
Please show the demonstrable benefits of today’s futile efforts to limit temperature change by restricting energy availability?
Deliberately, artificially high energy prices in the UK killed 23,000 two years, and 13,000 last winter.
Deliberate energy policies intended to fight golbal warming led to the 7 year-long energy recession Oboma is trying to return us into, but 6 months of cheaper oil (intended paradoxically to economically destroy Obama’s enemies in Texas, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and the midwest) provide the first improvement in his economy since Pelosi drove oil prices up to 145.00per barrel in mid-2007.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 4:50 pm

RACookPE1978

“the 7 year-long energy recession Oboma is trying to return us into, but 6 months of cheaper oil ”

Sorry buddy, but the president of the USA has very little control over energy prices.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 4:53 pm

RACookPE1978
” Pelosi drove oil prices up to 145.00per barrel in mid-2007.”
Are you kidding? Please tell all of us how the Speaker of the House influences the global price of crude oil. While you are at it, please tell us why Pelosi get the blame instead of the president.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 4:58 pm

RACookPE1978
” Pelosi drove oil prices up to 145.00per barrel in mid-2007.”
Are you kidding???
Please tell all of us how the Speaker of the House influences the global price of crude oil. While you are at it, please tell us why Pelosi get the blame instead of the president.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 5:15 pm

RACookPE1978
PS, for your information, the highest price for a barrel of crude occurred mid July 2008 not 2007

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  David Socrates
January 26, 2015 6:07 pm

True.
Pelosi took over the House in January 2007, and immediately began restricting oil and energy development funding and laws, and implementing energy restriction laws and further empowering the EPA/FW/DOE/NOAA/NASA/etc in the name of global warming. Oil prices began rising, peaking summer 2008 – as you noted – when Oboma took a clear lead in the democratic primaries (and election news coverage) that led to his presidency.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=10y
Thank you.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 6:13 pm

“immediately began restraicting oil and energy development, and implementing energy restriction laws ”
..
Obviously you have no clue how our government works.

1) the Speaker cannot pass a law.
2) the Senate must pass what the House passes
3) the President must sign what both the House and the Senate pass.
..
Please tell us how the Speaker of the House restricted development.
Please tell us how the Speaker of the House affected the implementation of laws, which is done by the president.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  David Socrates
January 26, 2015 7:15 pm

Please tell us how the Speaker of the House restricted development.
Please tell us how the Speaker of the House affected the implementation of laws, which is done by the president.

First, you are assuming the liberal eco-freaks in the democrat power points of the democrat-dictatorship in the House, and the continuing democrat-dictatorship of the Senate under Reid were following the laws and rules of the Constitution as they were bringing already broken and set by the CAGW democrat-zealots in the DOE, EPA, FWA, NOAA, NASA-GISS, etc.
Second, Bush as president, was NOT leading nor controlling domestic policies and concerns. He was (good or bad, well or ineffectually) looking outside under extreme daily criticism at the war on terror and international relations affecting that. Internal laws sent through the democrat House and democrat Senate were signed. Not controlled. Never veto’ed. Pelosi and Reid never passed ANY Bush-sponsored or Bush-demanded legislation improving energy or contradicting the assumed global warming policies those two demanded.
This was stupid of Bush, but I cannot change that stupidity now.
Also, in 2007 – 2008, the “pause” was 3-5 years old. It was NOT apparent, as it is now, that the CAGW religion was failing.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 7:23 pm

“Bush as president, was NOT leading nor controlling domestic policies ”

So, from what you are telling me, Bush was not in control and Pelosi was.

Please tell all of us what specific actions Pelosi took to “restricting oil and energy development ”
Please tell all of us what specific actions Pelosi took to ” implementing energy restriction laws ”
Please tell all of us how the democrats were not “following the laws and rules of the Constitution”
You really are clueless about how government works

Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 7:26 pm

Please tell all of us how the democrats were not “following the laws and rules of the Constitution”
Someone actually believes the dems follow the Constitution??
If so, he is really clueless about how government works.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 26, 2015 7:30 pm

Good thing you showed up.
RACookPE1978 posted ….” Pelosi drove oil prices up to 145.00per barrel in mid-2007.”

Help him out
He’s struggling with that one

Maybe you know how she did it.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 27, 2015 7:56 am

socks says:
Help him out
You are the one who needs help.
Hey, where are all those AGW measurements? And I still have that “≈20X CO2” source.
Pay up, and I’ll post it.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 27, 2015 8:00 am

Some compatriot you turned out to be. Poor Mr RACookPE1978 gets hung out to dry and you diss him.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 27, 2015 8:09 am

The only one I’m dissing is ‘socrates’, but he’s too stupid to see that.
Robert Cook is a credentialed engineer. And you …?
Didn’t think so.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 27, 2015 8:11 am

He may be an engineer, but he sure doesn’t know much about how government works.
“” Pelosi drove oil prices up to 145.00per barrel in mid-2007.”

How about you explain how Pelosi did that?

RomanM
January 26, 2015 4:14 pm

Oops, I should read all the text in a comment more carefully before I post. I now see that you did not make this up and ascribe it to me.
Mr. Cook has some excess hyperbole in expressing his opinion that the efforts of the anti-CO2 movement and I skimmed the comment rather than reading it fully. He is very probably correct that if they are successful in their quest, the result would be pretty severe damage to all world economies. And yes, many people would be harmed unnecessarily in the process by the waste of resources and the fact that people living in third world countries would not be able to improve their lives because of the lack of energy to do so.
But that is another issue…

January 26, 2015 4:37 pm

@RomanM. And my oops was not ascribing the comment to anybody. Thanks for the correction.
On the subject of damage to world economies, there’s been work done on this point. I recommend “The Climate Casino” by Yale Economist William Nordhaus, or work by Brookings Economist Adele Morris. A specific citation on policy that returns more to the Treasury and to the Economy thru avoidance of adaption costs than the incurred cost of mitigation: https://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend

Samuel C Cogar
January 27, 2015 7:54 am

Extremely lonely people are the truly persistent type, ……. are they not?
They will say or do most anything for the sole purpose of being included in the conversation or activity in progress.
Being utterly wrong or dishonestly critical …… is still far, far better than being extremely lonely.

January 28, 2015 6:42 am

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January 28, 2015 7:05 am

@Samuel C Cogar
cc: DBStealey
In reply to my post that ALL the World’s Science Academies conclude AGW. You replied:
“And iffen (sic) the nation of China rejects the claims of AGW, then so do the Chinese Scientific Institutions.”
Your unsupported response is 100% wrong:
In December 2009, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a joint statement declaring, “Climate change and sustainable energy supply are crucial challenges for the future of humanity. It is essential that world leaders agree on the emission reductions needed to combat negative consequences of anthropogenic climate change”. The statement references the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment of 2007, and asserts that “climate change is happening even faster than previously estimated; global CO2 emissions since 2000 have been higher than even the highest predictions, Arctic sea ice has been melting at rates much faster than predicted, and the rise in the sea level has become more rapid.”
And: The thirteen signatories were the same national science academies that issued the 2007 and 2008 joint statements.
In case you didn’t know, the G8+5 includes China. And 12 other nations.
Neither you nor DBStealey have yet falsified the proposition that all the World’s Science Academies conclude AGW. ALL. Without exception.

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  warrenlb
January 28, 2015 7:45 am

warrenlb
97% of government-paid “scientists” paid by their governments to create the CAGW propaganda agree that government-paid research to create CAGW information wrote the joint statements in 2007 and 2008 for their government owners. (Er, funding sources.)
And, in 2007 and 2008, there was not yet an 18+ year history of NO global warming.
today? yes, there is additional information falsifying the governments’ CGAW religion, and much, much more visible harm and deaths caused BY the governments’ artificial restrictions on energy use, development, and transmission. 92 billion dollars will buy as many government scientists as they can hire. And, if any government scientist does happen to disagree with the CAGW religion, he or she is fired and ostracized by the remaining government-paid scientists. All who support the governments’ CAGW religion are promoted, published, praised, and propped up for adulation and popularity.

David Socrates
Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 28, 2015 7:52 am

It is truly amazing how government funding is melting the Greenland ice cap, warming the oceans and made 2014 one of the warmest years on record. Truly amazing.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
January 28, 2015 5:09 pm

And even more amazing that EVERY ONE of the World’s National Science Academies are in on it! Remarkable cooperation among the Chinese, Europeans, Americans ,and Japanese. I wonder if they beat their scientists to keep them in line?