Mann's tree ring proxy train wreck

Eric Worrall writes: Mann’s thermometer spliced hockey stick has taken even more damage in the last few days, with Steve McIntyre helpfully providing reconstructions based on tree rings which demonstrate how, without the benefit of Mike’s scientifically dubious “nature trick”, the hockey stick simply disappears – tree rings demonstrably don’t correlate with temperature.

salzer-2014_figure-5
Figure 1. Salzer et al 2014 Figure 5, showing treeline north-facing (NFa -blue) and south-facing (SFa -red) chronologies for 1980-2009. This information was digitized for use in Figure 2 comparisons.

According to McIntyre;

The new information shows dramatic failure of the Sheep Mountain chronology as an out-of-sample temperature proxy, as it has a dramatic divergence from NH temperature since 1980, the end of the Mann et al (and many other) reconstructions.  While the issue is very severe for the Mann reconstructions, it affects numerous other reconstructions, including PAGES2K.”

http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/04/sheep-mountain-update/

What is worse, in my opinion, is that Mann and Briffa can’t even claim they weren’t warned. As early as 1998, the very Russian Scientists who Briffa hired to collect the tree ring samples, tried to alert Briffa that the samples didn’t show what they wanted them to show. The difference is, the Russians weren’t measuring tree ring width, their favoured metric was the polar timberline – the northernmost edge of the great Arctic forests.

According to Rashit Hantemirov, of the Russian Academy of Science;

According to reconsructions most favorable conditions for tree growth

have been marked during 5000-1700 BC. At that time position of tree

line was far northward of recent one.

[Unfortunately, region of our research don’t include the whole area

where trees grew during the Holocene. We can maintain that before 1700

BC tree line was northward of our research area. We have only 3 dated

remnants of trees from Yuribey River sampled by our colleagues (70 km

to the north from recent polar tree line) that grew during 4200-4016

and 3330-2986 BC.]

This period is pointed out by low interannual variability of tree

growth and high trees abundance discontinued, however, by several

short (50-100 years) unfavorable periods, most significant of them

dated about 4060-3990 BC. Since about 2800 BC gradual worsening of

tree growth condition has begun. Significant shift of the polar tree

line to the south have been fixed between 1700 and 1600 BC. At the

same time interannual tree growth variability increased appreciably.

During last 3600 years most of reconstructed indices have been varying

not so very significant. Tree line has been shifting within 3-5 km

near recent one. Low abundance of trees has been fixed during

1410-1250 BC and 500-350 BC. Relatively high number of trees has been

noted during 750-1450 AD.

There are no evidences of moving polar timberline to the north during

last century.

http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0907975032.txt

Some of Mann’s own colleagues warned Mann about the unreliability of tree rings – this email from Tom Wigley, discussing how his son’s high school project falsified Mann’s research.

“Also, stationarity is the key. Let me tell you a story. A few years back, my son Eirik  did a tree ring science fair project using trees behind NCAR. He found that widths correlated with both temp and precip. However, temp and precip also correlate. There is  much other evidence that it is precip that is the driver, and that the temp/width correlation arises via the temp/precip correlation. Interestingly, the temp correlations are much more ephemeral, so the complexities conspire to make this linkage non stationary.”

http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0682.txt

On this occasion though, Keith Briffa decided to support his friend Mann with some helpful advice (from the same email as the Wigley quote) – Keith’s suggestion is that Mann could dismiss the relevance of previous warm periods being warmer than today, by spinning the suggestion that the current warm period is different, because it is anthropogenic;

“Mike there is often no benefit in bandying fine points of emphasis and implication- Hence , I think that what you have already drafted is fine. Do not start to dilute or confuse the issue with too much additional detail. The job , as you state , is to place on record the statement of disagreement with the “science(!)” and spin. To this end , it may also be worth stating in less couched terms that merely eyeballing the relative magnitudes of recent versus prior period(s) of large scale warmth, is in itself very limited as a basis for claiming the reality OR OTHERWISE of anthropogenic forcing of the recent warming ,  if this is done without reference to the uncertainty and causes of these differences. The points you make to Tom are of course very valid , but do not be tempted to guild the lily too much here – stick with your current content

http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0682.txt

Has any piece of scientific research ever been so thoroughly discredited? Tom Wigley’s son’s high school project falsified the hockey stick. The latest Sheep mountain study shows the hockey stick disappears, unless you use Mike’s trick of splicing in the thermometer record, to hide the divergence problem. The Russian scientists who collected the original tree ring samples, tried to warn Mann he was measuring the wrong metric. Yet somehow this nonsensical analysis became a central icon of the climate alarmist movement – and is still widely reproduced by the more scientifically illiterate alarmists.

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W.J.Martin N.Z.
December 6, 2014 7:06 pm

Well it is getting bad for Mann,it’s worse than he thought.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  W.J.Martin N.Z.
December 6, 2014 9:04 pm

Laughed out loud when I read that.
Eugene WR Gallun

W.J.Martin N.Z.
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 9:47 pm

Hi Eugene. Summer is suppose to be here in NZ. However,crops are late due to cold nights. I don’t like to criticize other countries leaders,but I can’t help thinking the POTUS has lost his marbles. I would like to wish all readers here a merry Christmas and a happy new year. I read this site regularly,and get great pleasure reading the comments. Oh,do you know where NZ is? I would be willing to bet that the majority of Americans don’t even know who we are. Best wishes from NZ.

Patrick
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 10:59 pm

I know where NZ is.

LOL

Patrick
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 11:01 pm

BTW, I am a NZ citizen too!

W.J.Martin N.Z.
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 11:17 pm

Hi Patrick,no reply on your post,so do it here. Yep,we are very small by world standards. We like to think we are big,but we are very small. We do have lots of sheep,and also lots of warmists who think we are doomed. Our climate is very cool by world standards,and would benefit with a few degrees of warming. Temperatures here are below normal,and maize and other crops are not living up to expectations,but may recover as the weather improves. All the best to you commenters over there,and have a good Xmas. Cheers from NZ,Best wishes,Billy NZ.

Patrick
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 11:30 pm

My post is more for others, it made me laugh when it was broadcast! Shbangabang! LOL Thanks! Lived in Wellington for about 9 years. All the best to you, family and friends over the Chrimbo hols.

ZT
Reply to  W.J.Martin N.Z.
December 7, 2014 8:54 am

NZ is near Belgium

Reply to  ZT
December 7, 2014 9:57 am

Thats where they speak New Zealander said our POTUS

James Allison
Reply to  ZT
December 7, 2014 10:38 am

If it was I wouldn’t be standing upside down

TRM
Reply to  ZT
December 7, 2014 5:59 pm

No it isn’t. NZ is Near Zealand not to be confused with those scum in Far Zealand. Splitters! 🙂

Patrick
Reply to  ZT
December 7, 2014 7:57 pm

I lived in Belgium too.

Reply to  W.J.Martin N.Z.
December 7, 2014 12:37 pm

Yes, in deed; instead of being at Penn State, he should be in the state pen. Crooked as a dog’s hind lag. By the way, isn’t New Zealand south of New England? Just guessing.

bushbunny
Reply to  Patrick Blasz
December 8, 2014 8:40 pm

Yes you are right Patrick, NZ is south of New England, NSW, AUSTRALIA. LOL

TomR,Worc,Ma,USA
Reply to  W.J.Martin N.Z.
December 7, 2014 2:49 pm

We Septics know where New Zealand is …….. we learned it from watching documentaries……

Reply to  TomR,Worc,Ma,USA
December 7, 2014 4:48 pm

watch your spelling- neither John Cook nor Obama need any help with ad homs. Thanks, great video.

December 6, 2014 7:06 pm

Well put, sir!

NZPete54
December 6, 2014 7:15 pm

Damned good read. We know Mann’s a fraud. Mark Steyn has his measure, and I hope he has his measure legally too. This article is some icing on the cake.

December 6, 2014 7:16 pm

Once again, “Tree ring, meet Mount Doom.)

pokerguy
December 6, 2014 7:33 pm

Dr. Fraudpants as Mark Steyn has amusingly dubbed him, is becoming an increasingly isolated, Captain Queeg like figure. Things will not end well for Mr. Mann, from a professional point of view at least.

BillTheGeo
December 6, 2014 7:41 pm

Mann the goal posts to stop this new embarrassing information slipping through to Steyn and Co.

Reply to  BillTheGeo
December 7, 2014 5:19 am

…or to the judge.

BillTheGeo
December 6, 2014 7:44 pm

Further confirms mannequin is a dummy!

December 6, 2014 7:46 pm

I recall Jerry North, a climate modeler at Texas A&M University, relating that he and other modelers were “euphoric” when Mann’s hockey stick (HS) came out. It showed exactly the trend their climate models said should be happening: an unprecedented rise in air temperature since the early 20th century.
Mann’s HS was a huge relief to them. It completely validated their climate models, and so was immediately and uncritically accepted throughout the community of modelers.
I remember seeing a picture of Tom Stocker holding up a transparency of Mann’s hockey stick, looking at the camera with grim certainty equally mixed with I-told-you-so on his face.
For me, that picture iconized the fixated attitude of the modeler community. The HS was everything for which they could possibly have hoped. They couldn’t give it up any more than a biologically disposed heroin addict could abandon the drug. The modelers have conquered climatology, climatology controls the AGW narrative, and so it all went.
I searched but unfortunately didn’t find that picture again.

Richard
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 6, 2014 8:47 pm

If ye seek diligently for what you want to find ye shall find it.

Reply to  Richard
December 7, 2014 1:37 am

Seek and ye shall find; ask and it shall be given. Screw up and it shall never be forgotten.

michael hart
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 6, 2014 9:46 pm

Alas, modelists will always suffer from not wanting to see real-world data.
And modern climatologists will always suffer from not wanting to wait to accumulate real-world data.
Put them together and what do you get…

Reply to  michael hart
December 7, 2014 8:24 am

Not sure what you get… but the cause is government funding.

Luke
Reply to  nielszoo
December 7, 2014 8:42 am

So your response to my challenge is that there is a vast conspiracy involving thousands of hard-working scientists in collusion with the media and governmental administrators to perpetuate a lie to all of us?! Good luck with that. I suggest you start by reanalyzing the data, publish it in a peer-reviewed scientific paper and refute the conclusions of the National Academy of Sciences. I guarantee the media will pick it up and you will be famous!

stan stendera
Reply to  michael hart
December 7, 2014 4:37 pm

Michael Mann

tonyb
Editor
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 7, 2014 2:12 am

Dr Mann is a reasonable, but by no means outstanding scientist, who unfortunately has been instrumental in over promoting the value of a branch of paleo proxy reconstructions-tree rings.
Other proxies do not always agree with Dr Mann. It entirely depends on which cherry tree you want to pick from and whether you then turn the cherries upside down or not.
Here is a graphic I created showing the advance and retreat of glaciers over the last 3000 years taken from thousands of references from Ladurie and Pfister. On to it has been placed the hockey stick which manages to sail on serenely at virtually the same temperature, whilst all around it glaciers advance and retreat. As regards glacier lengths, they are a reasonable temperature proxy bearing in mind we can not capture the nuances when movement is limited.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/clip_image010.jpg
The link below goes to the borehole database held by the University of Michigan.
http://www.earth.lsa.umich.edu/climate/core.html
It illustrates rising temperatures since 1500. Due to sampling problems I think we are safe to say from 1700, but 1500 seems doubtful. CET shows this 300 year rise as well.
What are we to make of this as Dr Mann shows declining temperatures for the last thousand years until the sudden rise in the last century when he swapped cherries for oranges.(instrumental records are far more variable than paleo proxy reconstructions)
Well, if you would like to look at the borehole data shown in the link, which is a pretty good proxy for other novel paleo methods, it seems you could reconstruct whatever temperature scenario you wanted.
tonyb

Bill Illis
Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 4:20 am

Borehole temperature reconstructions in different publications from the maintainer of the University of Michigan’s database, Shaopeng Huang, who is considered one of the top experts in this field. Looks like there is lots of room for interpretation but there is a MWP in the data unlike what is shown in the hockey stick.
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/boreholes/huang-pollack-97-2000-2008.gif
Then, how much variation there is individual boreholes from Harris and Chapman 2005.
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/borehole_harris_chapman2005.jpg

Chip Javert
Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 8:31 am

tonyb
Calling Mann a “reasonable…scientist” seems a stretch. Frauds and cheats usually get called…wait for it…frauds and cheats. Doubly so when they blatantly use their tax-payer funding to ruin other, legitimate “reasonable scientists” who disagree with them.
Reasonable? No.

pokerguy
Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 9:14 am

“Dr Mann is a reasonable, but by no means outstanding scientist, who unfortunately has been instrumental in over promoting the value of a branch of paleo proxy reconstructions-tree rings.”
Yikes. Such a thing as being too polite. I get that you want to be collegial Tony, but come on! A reasonable man does not act like a lunatic…by definition. Also I must take issue with your somewhat passive construction…as in “(Mann’s) been instrumental in over promoting…”
This is not something that somehow…as if by bad luck….happened to him. Mann’s chosen the low road, a route he seems determined to pursue all the way to the bottom.

Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 10:28 am

Chip and poker guy
I meant ‘reasonable’ in the sense of being a scientist that is better than poor but not as good as brilliant. Perhaps mediocre would be better?
I didn’t mean reasonable as in the sense that he is all sweetness and light in all his dealings.
Tonyb

Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 12:44 pm

Mann is a B_ _ _t_ _d who deserves to be pilloried. You don’t sue Dr. Tim Ball and Mark Steyn because you’re reasonable. Let’s call a spade a spade.

Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 2:23 pm

Dr. Mann has never demonstrated the quality of “reasonableness” to me, in my only interaction with the man, he demonstrated the qualities of pettiness and narcissism; perhaps I encounter him on a bad day, but my impressions have been reported by many.

Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 3:36 pm

“Other proxies do not always agree with Dr Mann. It entirely depends on which cherry tree you want to pick from and whether you then turn the cherries upside down or not.”
This is such a misrepresentation that either it’s written by someone intent on spreading misinformation, or it’s written by someone who really doesn’t have a clue, and shouldn’t be writing about things he has failed to investigate with even moderate diligence.

Chip Javert
Reply to  tonyb
December 7, 2014 5:04 pm

Tonyb
I’m a retired CFO, so my opinion on the totality of Dr Mann’s scientific academic work is meaningless. However, I suspect with the passage of time, Mann’s having relied on selected tree rings as a temperature record (accurate to 0.1 Celsius degree) will literally be view as a willful fraud.
In my mind, this explicit and continued malpractice is of such gravity as to render his prior performance meaningless. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

climatereason
Editor
Reply to  tonyb
December 8, 2014 12:13 am

Chip
Why not speak to Will who seems to imagine Dr Mann has been misrepresented and the hockey stick lives on.
tonyb

Reply to  Pat Frank
December 7, 2014 10:11 am

Pat Frank:

I recall Jerry North, a climate modeler at Texas A&M University, relating that he and other modelers were “euphoric” when Mann’s hockey stick (HS) came out. It showed exactly the trend their climate models said should be happening: an unprecedented rise in air temperature since the early 20th century.

It should be noted that Gerald North was the head of the NAS panel that investigated the hockey stick and who made the quote about how they “just kind of winged it”.

arthur4563
December 6, 2014 7:55 pm

The big question is why on earth anyone would think that temperature, rather than moisture, was the major determinant of tree ring growth. Any farmer could have told him he was nuts.

Jimbo
Reply to  arthur4563
December 7, 2014 1:26 am

Mann oh Mann!

WUWT – March 19, 2008
Bristlecone Pines: Treemometers or rain gauges ?
…One of the graphs Steve McIntyre recently produced was this one:
“Here’s the MBH98 PC1 (bristlecones) again marking 1934. Given that bristlecone ring width are allegedly responding positively to temperature, it is notable that the notoriously hot 1934 is a down spike.”……
No wonder 1934 is a negative on Man’s graph above, it was hot and dry that year. It’s been said that even grasshoppers were starving during that drought.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/19/treemometers-or-rain-gauges/
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WUWT – September 28, 2009
A look at treemometers and tree ring growth
The point I’m making with all this is: If “the total growth response of a tree is the product of all environmental factors”, and forest modelers have to separate temperature and precipitation diameter increments, plus create different models for different forest regions, how can then one accurately divine temperature over millenia from width analysis of tree ring growth from trees in a single region?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/28/a-look-at-treemometers-and-tree-ring-growth/

tgasloli
Reply to  arthur4563
December 7, 2014 6:55 am

Exactly! No one who has a clue about trees ever thought there was a relationship between mean annual temperature and tree rings.

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  arthur4563
December 7, 2014 9:04 am

The greenist summers are the wettest summers around here but I’m not a farmer or a climate scientist.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  arthur4563
December 7, 2014 11:08 am

arthur4563: December 6, 2014 at 7:55 pm
The big question is why on earth anyone would think that temperature, rather than moisture, was the major determinant of tree ring growth. Any farmer could have told him he was nuts
——————
(Just some trivial information that might interest WUWT viewers.)
True, ….. but, ….. in actuality the major determinant of tree ring growth is light intensity ….. because light intensity determines the rate of photosynthesis ……. and the rate of photosynthesis determines the amount of sugars that are produced for use in tree ring growth.
Except the early Spring growth, …. those sugars were produced the previous growing season and were stored in the roots. Think of …… Springtime Maple Syrup production.
To wit:
The main factors affecting rate of photosynthesis are light intensity, carbon dioxide concentration and temperature.
In that order of importance, ……. but don’t panic, …… moisture is more important than temperature. But it is the soil moisture …. or …. amount of moisture in the soil.
And don’t be forgettin that the growth rings get a “jump” start on their growth in early Spring when there is normally adequate soil moisture available (unless it was a cold dry winter).
And I really don’t know of any means or methods one could use for determining per se proxy data for soil moisture content of bygone years, be it for one (1) year or one hundred (100) years.
Reference: http://www.rsc.org/learn-chemistry/content/filerepository/CMP/00/001/068/Rate%20of%20photosynthesis%20limiting%20factors.pdf
Cheers

Hugh
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 7, 2014 12:27 pm

Trees grow well if they get light, there’s moisture in soil, and the temperature is within certain limits. Both dry sunny and cloudy cold summers may be detrimental to tree growth. The treeline – location of northernmost trees – movement, OTOH, depends on warm summers because seeds won’t develop nor saplings grow in less-than-optimal weather.

December 6, 2014 8:05 pm

I’m all for Anthropogenic Global Warming, let’s make this a better warmer world.. All I see are people shivering and grey skies. rain and sleet, it’s basically miserable, sometimes snow and ice. Winter sucks and it will suck a thousand years from now, that’s my scientific opinion.

Reply to  Sparks
December 6, 2014 10:18 pm

I’d imagine winter’s a lot of fun if you’re rich.
If you don’t have to get up before the crack of noon.
Don’t have to slop your way through the traffic to get to work.
You snowmobile into town to have brunch at the local tavern.
You spend an afternoon cross country skiing and have a warm cozy chalet to return to at night.
You can drive your 4 wheel SUV to the airport and fly your private jet to spend a few weeks at your West Palm Beach winter home.
“It’s good to be da king”
Mel Brooks

old construction worker
Reply to  mikerestin
December 7, 2014 3:54 pm

Are you talking about our good buddy named AL

tom s
Reply to  Sparks
December 7, 2014 5:28 am

And a very reasonable, but depressing opinion it is. Cold, gray….winter. My local sunset is currently 432pm…in 4 days it is 431pm….YES!!!

Tom
Reply to  tom s
December 7, 2014 6:43 am

Our local sunset was a whole 10 seconds LATER yesterday than it was the day before. Hallelujah, we’re over the hump (since I cannot also measure the sun rise, which will take another month to catch up).

tom s
Reply to  tom s
December 7, 2014 7:15 am

Ooops, I stated that wrong….SS is currently 431pm and in 4days it will be 432pm…YES!! (I sorta feel like a Mann now ;-))

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  tom s
December 7, 2014 11:33 am

I wudda manned up to it also. 🙂 🙂

December 6, 2014 8:08 pm

Why is Mann getting so much attention for being wrong?

pokerguy
Reply to  Sparks
December 6, 2014 8:16 pm

Because his iconic graph galvanized the world, including me at the time. I distinctly recall thinking, wow, this must be the real deal. It was all a lie.

Reply to  pokerguy
December 6, 2014 8:54 pm

I agree pokerguy, but how is it that attention is now accomplished by the lack of scientific achievement?

Admin
Reply to  pokerguy
December 6, 2014 9:46 pm

He told a lot of people what they wanted to hear – so they told all their friends.

Jimbo
Reply to  pokerguy
December 7, 2014 3:30 am

If only Mann’s proxy carried on forward in time. Here’s big Mc

Steve McIntyre
The new results of Salzer et al 2014 (though not candid on the topic) fully demonstrate this point in respect to Sheep Mountain. In the warm 1990s and 2000s, the proxy not only doesn’t respond linearly to higher temperatures, it actually goes the wrong way. This will result in very negative RE values for MBH-style reconstructions from its AD1000 and AD1400 networks when brought up to date, further demonstrating these networks have no real “skill” out of sample.
http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/04/sheep-mountain-update/

Why did the mathematician and physicist, Michael Mann, decide he was better at reading tree rings? The above is the end result. Mann’s proxy – the HOT year of 1934 is a down spike. Sad.

ralfellis
Reply to  pokerguy
December 7, 2014 4:33 am

Because the science is ‘settled’ – honest, guv….
Ralph

Reply to  pokerguy
December 7, 2014 10:24 am

Matt Ridley also says he was fooled:

I can remember when I first paid attention to the “hockey stick” graph at a conference in Cambridge. The temperature line trundled along with little change for centuries, then shot through the roof in the 20th century, like the blade of an ice-hockey stick. I had become somewhat of a sceptic about the science of climate change, but here was emphatic proof that the world was much warmer today; and warming much faster than at any time in a thousand years. I resolved to shed my doubts. I assumed that since it had been published in Nature—the Canterbury Cathedral of scientific literature—it was true.
I was not the only one who was impressed. The graph appeared six times in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)’s third report in 2001. It was on display as a backdrop at the press conference to launch that report. James Lovelock pinned it to his wall. Al Gore used it in his film (though describing it as something else and with the Y axis upside down). Its author shot to scientific stardom. “It is hard to overestimate how influential this study has been,” said the BBC. The hockey stick is to global warming what St Paul was to Christianity.

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-case-against-the-hockey-stick

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  pokerguy
December 7, 2014 11:59 am

Because his iconic graph galvanized the world
—————-
The only “fake” that has been pictured more often than Michael Mann’s “Puckwhapper” is most probably the ones of the “Wrongheaded Dinosaur” …… (Brontosaurus).

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Sparks
December 6, 2014 9:59 pm

Sparks:
“Why is Mann getting so much attention for being wrong?”
Because people still believe the documents he has cranked out over the years claiming that his work proves CO2 is the major cause of temperature change, and that mankind’s burning of ‘fossil fuels’ is largely responsible for those changes – in CO2 and temperature. What he has tried to show (using highly irregular methods) is that trees contain a temperature record in their growth patterns.
As his 1998 work has been shown to be defective and has not yet been withdrawn, even though it can be and has been demonstrated that he knew at the time his results were not representative of the facts available (which alone is ‘good cause’ to withdraw) the paper is still cited as ‘evidence’ confirming the AGW hypothesis.
Withdrawal of the ‘hockey stick papers’ would drive a wooden stake through the heart of the climate alarm blood-sucking vampire. Before that happens, the ‘Team’ has to find an alternative that is more believable and of approximately the same shape. In the absence of net warming for the past 18 years, there is no recent work that can produce such a temperature curve so they are ^creek -paddle.
They tried to move the argument to ‘the heat contained in the system’, but that creates other problems the movement is ill prepared to solve. The error bar on the ocean heat content number is larger than the signal, for a start. The ‘imbalance’ is very much smaller than the error bars on the ground and satellites, and there is a viable alternative explanation that is related to solar CR, CFC’s (and their analogues) and ozone.
See http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~qblu/qblu_website/Welcome.html if you have not encountered this work before. The Team has slipped a couple of (pretty bad) rebuttals into the mix but is staying away from making a lot of public noise about this guy’s ideas because it has a 0.96-0.97 correlation coefficient (1970-2012) with temperature. In other words, it ‘explains the rise and the pause’ – no CO2 required. The conversation in the articles continues, 2009-2014.
In order for a workable ‘counter argument’ (that the data did not support that such a mechanism exists or could work) Muller et all 2010 had to go to Mannian lengths, using similar data from a satellite that does not cover the areas of the globe where the effect takes place (!) which prompted an interesting exchange, to say the least.

Legend
Reply to  Sparks
December 7, 2014 6:04 am

Because Mann keeps running his mouth in very public places, and some people seem to listen!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2014/12/05/a_record_year_for_climate_action_347111.html

Luke
Reply to  Sparks
December 7, 2014 8:49 am

Because the National Academy of Sciences (2006) and many other analyses support his conclusions.
“The basic conclusion of Mann et al. (1998, 1999) was that the late 20th century
warmth in the Northern Hemisphere was unprecedented during at least the last 1,000
years. This conclusion has subsequently been supported by an array of evidence that
includes both additional large-scale surface temperature reconstructions and pronounced
changes in a variety of local proxy indicators, such as melting on ice caps and
the retreat of glaciers around the world, which in many cases appear to be unprecedented
during at least the last 2,000 years.”
Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years Committee on Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years, National Research Council.
This free PDF was downloaded from:
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html

Tim in Florida
Reply to  Luke
December 7, 2014 9:10 am

Everything you state has been falsified. Appeal to consensus as well as politically motivated leaders of various Science Academies does not mean that the CAGW meme is real. As I stated it has been falsified so many times that your stance should be an embarrassment to you — what is your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid.

Legend
Reply to  Luke
December 7, 2014 10:26 am

2006?! You’re kidding, right? Why are you citing a report from 2006 to support your claim when there are many studies since then?

Andrew
Reply to  Luke
December 8, 2014 11:32 am

“Melting on ice caps”. There are exactly two ice caps. Exactly one has melted somewhat from a given start point. That is exactly half of the ice caps. The other one has grown to record levels from the same given start point. None of what you have quoted is, “unprecedented”.

December 6, 2014 8:13 pm

I suspect there are a lot of honest climate/atmospheric physics professors out there who would refuse to read a paper with Mann as a co-author. His lies may have initially worked, as few would have thought such a big Lie would have been possible, but they are not stupid. The Mann climate science FAIL is coming.

TYoke
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 6, 2014 10:37 pm

The famous “vomit letter” Climategate email from Ray Bradley shows that a lot of scientists haven’t been able to stand him for quite some time.
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/1364.txt

Reply to  TYoke
December 6, 2014 11:12 pm

This picture at the Fall 2013 AGU meeting in SF implies Bradley recovered from his nausea in fine form.
Seeing it made me a bit ill, though.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  TYoke
December 7, 2014 1:07 am

No they are nasty little selles. They used the mann hockey stick to up their funding and then quietly disown him when the merde hits the fan. Really nice people the Climologues.

Graham Green
Reply to  TYoke
December 7, 2014 5:34 am

The fraudster has trouble with language as well. See ‘insure’ rather than ‘ensure’.

mikewaite
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 7, 2014 1:07 am

Although best known to the general public, like me, for his hockey stick paper he has written or co-authored more than 160 papers and his standing with students at his university is apparently amongst the highest. He is clearly not just a one trick pony – has anyone done a critical review of his overall contribution to climate science ? He must be approaching that stage in his professional academic career, common for distinguished professors , when students and colleagues mount a symposium in his honour , recalling achievements and presenting like contributions of their own .

Legend
Reply to  mikewaite
December 7, 2014 6:09 am

Haha nice try Mike! I’m here at Penn State, his reputation does not match your description.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  mikewaite
December 7, 2014 8:07 am

Mann’s legacy will of statistical gamesmanship, a failure to embrace falsification, failure of replicable results, and massive egotistical outbursts, petulance, censorship on Twitter and RealClimate and his oppressive lawsuits will insure his reputation as a shoulder-less midget.

tomwys1
December 6, 2014 8:16 pm

There is a telling parallel to Church & White’s splicing of linear sea-level tide gauge data to (also linear) satellite data but adjusted to a different slope. The satellites don’t have the resolution accuracy of the tide gauges, yet they are gleefully “joined” to become “semi-empirical” – just what we always wanted!!!

JeffC
December 6, 2014 8:37 pm

since tree rings have to be calibrated with more recent thermometer records I wonder how they manage to diverge … if you are calibrating with the last 100 years thermometer data then wouldn’t the last 100 years of trees rings almost exactly match the thermometer record ? isn’t that what it means to calibrate … year x temperature = y then year x’s tree ring width = y temperature … my bet is that they stopped calibrating at some point because it would cause the older tree ring data to have much higher temperatures … and that would kill the AGW myth …

Reply to  JeffC
December 6, 2014 9:19 pm

The “divergence problem” appeared in the 1950’s or 60’s depending on which specific proxy. Basically before that time, tree rings seemed to track the instrumental record. Since the instrumental record only began about 1880, this means that for nearly half the instrumental, tree rings do NOT track temperature, calling into question their validity prior to 1880. If they can’t get 1950 to 2010 even close, there’s no reason to trust them from 1000AD forward.
Mann’s “nature trick” was to hide this divergence from the instrumental record by replacing the tree ring data post 1950 or so with the instrumental record itself. That way nobody noticed (at first) that the tree rings “declined” while the instruments went up, falsifying the use of tree rings as proxies for temperature. This became known as the “trick” to “hide the decline”. Without it the 1000 year temperature reconstructions by Mann, Birffa, Jones, etc would been seen as completely useless from day 1.

Christopher Hanley
Reply to  davidmhoffer
December 6, 2014 11:11 pm

“… before that time, tree rings seemed to track the instrumental record …”
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Please correct me, but I thought they actually selected the tree-ring proxies which tracked the temperature records (at least as far as ~1950) and threw out the rest thus guaranteeing a hockey stick blade shape at the end of what was, in effect, (almost) a linear trend line handle — the average of widely divergent proxies before ~ 1880.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
December 6, 2014 11:28 pm

Christopher Hanley December 6, 2014 at 11:11 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well that too. It is actually a rather complicated trail, and trying to summarize in a paragraph or two results in many chapters being left out. Essentially the Hockey Stick is one story line, and Hide the Decline a different (but over lapping) story line. If you want the full details, Climate Audit goes into excruciating detail, and there are a number of good articles archived on this site as well.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  JeffC
December 6, 2014 9:45 pm

JeffC
since tree rings have to be calibrated with more recent thermometer records I wonder how they manage to diverge … if you are calibrating with the last 100 years thermometer data then wouldn’t the last 100 years of trees rings almost exactly match the thermometer record ? isn’t that what it means to calibrate … year x temperature = y then year x’s tree ring width = y temperature … my bet is that they stopped calibrating at some point because it would cause the older tree ring data to have much higher temperatures …

Could be. But. Consider the following as well.
Mann’s Theory of Tree Ring Temperature Proxies requires that tree ring width (amount of growth each year) be proportional to local temperature – which is turn is assumed equal to global temperatures as measured by thermometers and inferred by other proxies, right?
Now, Mann either corrects for local precipitation, or assumes all precipitation in a single area is always the same for every tree in that area. (Or he manually selects out trees which do NOT follow the assumed temperature-tree-ring-width profile so precipitation variations are excluded for every tree that Mann reports data about. The rest? Not revealed. Did he measure 12 trees in Yamal – and only use one? 60? 120? )
But … Tree ring width is ALSO proportional to the amount of CO2 available to that tree in every summer that the tree experiences.
Thus, more CO2 over time (1860 – 1998) -> Faster growth each summer between 1860 and 1998 -> Wider tree rings as the tree gets older -> Conclusion: Higher Temperature each summer between 1860 and 1998, with the fastest growth in the ytears AFTER 1960!

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  JeffC
December 7, 2014 11:10 am

A simple method of linear calibration is to cross plot measured temperature versus tree ring. The slope of that line is the calibration factor. You could also remove the later diverging years from the data set and recompute the slope of the line for a better fit. If you then spliced the later measured temps onto your calibrated proxy data the fit would look even better. But that would be cheating.

Richard
December 6, 2014 8:40 pm

The whole aim of Mann’s shenanigans is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety through endless funding — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary and manufactured by sleight of hand, pen and schticks..

Typhoon
Reply to  Richard
December 6, 2014 10:30 pm

~ After H. L. Mencken

December 6, 2014 9:13 pm

“To this end , it may also be worth stating in less couched terms that merely eyeballing the relative magnitudes of recent versus prior period(s) of large scale warmth, is in itself very limited as a basis for claiming the reality OR OTHERWISE of anthropogenic forcing of the recent warming , if this is done without reference to the uncertainty and causes of these differences.”
What a wonderfully scientific sentence, ummm, What? I would retire from public life before ever uttering such a sense-free four-line balderdash…

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Michael Moon
December 7, 2014 3:00 pm

In general science, weasel words are our most important product. Seriously.

Eugene WR Gallun
December 6, 2014 9:16 pm

I wrote this a few years ago and every once in a while I re-post it.
THE HOCKEY STICK
There was a crooked Mann
Who played a crooked trick
And had a crooked plan
To make a crooked stick
By using crooked math
That favored crooked lines
Lysenko’s crooked path
Led thru the crooked pines
And all his crooked friends
Applaud what crooked seems
But all that crooked ends
Derives from crooked means
Eugene WR Gallun

tango
December 6, 2014 9:24 pm

I wonder how many $ he as earned from grants

Admin
Reply to  tango
December 6, 2014 9:44 pm

Probably a lot. Mann also got half a million dollars from Obama’s stimulus fund, for no specific reason, other than a general suggestion he use the money to perform more research into climate change.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703657604575005412584751830
But I don’t think the evidence supports the idea that they are just in it for the money. I think its more likely, that they are so sure they are right about global warming, they discard or disregard any evidence which contradicts their idea of what is true. Their mission to save the world supersedes their duty as scientists to report all the facts, including adverse evidence.

jones
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 6, 2014 9:57 pm

That was back in the days when half a mil was considered quite a lot of money…..
sarc.

TYoke
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 6, 2014 10:49 pm

Agreed, Eric. They CARE about the planet. Not like those fossil fuel funded deniers. We should listen to them, and accede to their demands, because their MOTIVES are un-reproachable. If they have to lie a little, well, it’s all for a good cause.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  tango
December 7, 2014 1:09 am

Well, Hansen became a $multimillionaire as a result of his public offerings so I guess Mann did, and is still doing, quite well.

KenB
December 6, 2014 9:55 pm

We must never forget the harm that this person has done, the reputations of fine scientists needlessly attacked, the science put to one side so that this guy can have his ego stroked by his fellow travellers in the alarmist church.
He should be hung out to dry as a prime example of despicable behaviour, and stripped of his ill gotten gains.
He had the opportunity many times to admit his culpability, or mask that with an acknowledgement he made an “honest mistake”. He chooses to continue to deny his work is substandard and promote the big lie that he and his pal reviewers actively promoted and defended.
This would be “Emperor of Climate ” is nakedly exposed as nothing more than a rent seeking opportunist, and in reality Climate Parasite No 1 in a long line waiting to be exposed!.

richard verney
Reply to  KenB
December 7, 2014 1:03 am

“He had the opportunity many times to admit his culpability, or mask that with an acknowledgement he made an “honest mistake”. He chooses to continue to deny his work is substandard and promote the big lie that he and his pal reviewers actively promoted and defended. ”
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Now a lot of people dislike accussing the warmists of fr**d, and instead suggest that they exhibit incompetence, and all is perhaps an honest but negligent mistake. May be it was originally, but as Ken points out, the plain fact is that there have been many opportunities to correct the record, to withdraw the paper and to own up/fess up to the mistaken science. Why is this not being done? Surely, one could expect honesty in science to do this?
The Hockey Stick is no longer the poster child of the IPCC because they know that it is unsound and discredited work, but this is kept quiet from the media and the public.
As can be seen from the similar article on Bishophill, the problem is that honest scientist are not sticking their heads above the pulpit and calling out this work for what it is; nemely fundamentally flawed. This should be shouted from the hill tops. Climate science cannot move on until this is acknowledged.
The problem is that the true history of climate in the NH needs to be restored, ie., that there is in fact no lengthy uniform handle, and that it consists of ups and downs with the MWP being warmer than today, and that all we are seeing today is a recovery from the LIA, which recovery in the late 20th century may or may not be added to by CO2 emisssions.
Scientists also need to be honest and admit that we do not know what the past history is on a global basis simply because there is little reliable data covering the SH. We can only deal with the NH, and we know that there were a number of warmer periods in the NH, namely the Minoan, Roman and MWP. The AGW/GHE theory has to explain the pattern of the NH waring and cooling.

Olaf Koenders
Reply to  KenB
December 7, 2014 2:00 am

In a long line waiting to be exposed.
I’m glad you mentioned that. That line must be exposed all the way to the top and have them held accountable for their lies. The ramifications must be so severe it would never happen again.

Steve McIntyre
December 6, 2014 10:02 pm

this comment has very little to do with my post at Climate Audit. Nor is “Mike’s Nature trick” relevant to the topic discussed at CA. Nor has Mike’s Nature trick been correctly described in the above article.

Admin
Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 6, 2014 10:22 pm

Steve, I apologise if I have misunderstood what you wrote – that wasn’t my intention.
My comment about the “thermometer spliced hockey stick” was a reference to this post;
http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/20/mike’s-nature-trick/
“When smoothing these time series, the Team had a problem: actual reconstructions “diverge” from the instrumental series in the last part of 20th century. For instance, in the original hockey stick (ending 1980) the last 30-40 years of data points slightly downwards. In order to smooth those time series one needs to “pad” the series beyond the end time, and no matter what method one uses, this leads to a smoothed graph pointing downwards in the end whereas the smoothed instrumental series is pointing upwards — a divergence. So Mann’s solution was to use the instrumental record for padding, which changes the smoothed series to point upwards as clearly seen in UC’s figure (violet original, green without “Mike’s Nature trick”).”
Perhaps “thermometer spliced hockey stick” was insufficiently concise, but I wasn’t trying to describe the nature trick in detail – that has been covered elsewhere.
And the understanding I had from your post about the nature trick, was that the instrumental record was used to adjust the slope of the hockey stick reconstruction – and that your post about Sheep mountain indicates that the divergence problem shows no sign of letting up, with at least some out of sample proxies.

dp
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 6, 2014 11:00 pm

Saw this coming. I’d suggest withdrawing the post and reworking it until it is an honest interpretation of Steve’s work. That work, btw, stands on its own merit. This just looks bad – for you and for Anthony’s blog.

Admin
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 6, 2014 11:20 pm

In what way have I been “dishonest”?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 6, 2014 11:54 pm

Don’t take Steve McIntyre’s comment too hard, Eric. Steve noted previously that one has to be “microscopically correct” when dealing with the Team’s oracular science, otherwise they play gotcha over some small thing to discredit one’s entire analysis. Steve’s quite right about this. We’ve all noted it
So, Steve has to dissociate himself from a post that doesn’t get his work exactly right. Doing so prevents anyone from using such a post as a straw man, as a means of discrediting Steve.
The hockey stick in MBH98/99 depended on Mann’s use of short-centering in the PCA analysis to elevate the White Mountain strip-bark pine series into PC1. Strip bark pine series provided the entire HS. As Steve noted, without the strip-bark pine series plus the fake PCA method, the MBH98/99 network just produced trendless noise.
Your post has the right overall judgment. Steve’s new post shows a huge new problem for the MBH corpus. The critical MBH98/99 White Mt. series ended in 1980. Sheep Mountain is part of the White Mountain range.
Steve’s new post shows that tree ring width series from south-facing Sheep Mountain pines, which are out-of-sample with respect to MBH98/99, show a decline past 1980. That is, they show the divergence problem, now found in many places across the northern hemisphere.
That result pretty much discredits the entire thermal signification of the White Mountain strip-bark series themselves, as used in MBH98/99, completely apart from the statistical mummery used to promote them. They are now known to not signify anything about air temperature, no matter how strong one’s wishful thinking otherwise.
The Sheep Mountain north-facing pines don’t produce a very exciting correlation, either, by the way, with the canonical global air temperature record.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2014 12:16 am

dp
Steve McIntyre has done outstanding work in investigating the construction and faults with Mann’s ‘hockey stick’ and it is undoubtedly true that his work “stands on its own merit”. You are also right to say an intervention of the type provided by Steve McIntyre could have been expected but NOT for the reason you state.
Steve McIntyre has come to see scientific exposure of Mann’s ‘hockey stick’ as his personal domain, and he always objects when others step into what he now considers to be his territory. This is not the first time he has done it on WUWT and it can be anticipated to not be the last.
The entire post from Steve McIntyre says

this comment has very little to do with my post at Climate Audit. Nor is “Mike’s Nature trick” relevant to the topic discussed at CA. Nor has Mike’s Nature trick been correctly described in the above article.

That post is not criticism but is what is commonly called ‘knocking copy’. It consists of a series of unsubstantiated and unspecific complaints that – if true – cannot be answered because there are no stated faults to answer.
“very little to do with [McIntyre’s] post at Climate Audit”?
Perhaps “very little” but some and Eric Worrall quotes it verbatim in his article.
“Nor is “Mike’s Nature trick” relevant to the topic discussed at CA.”?
Really? In what way is it “not relevant” when Eric Worrall explains his cogent understanding of the relevance?
“Nor has Mike’s Nature trick been correctly described in the above article.”
Really? Steve McIntyre states no fault in the description in the article of “Mike’s Nature trick” so how is Eric Worrall supposed to respond to that?
But Eric Worral did not take understandable umbrage at the post from Steve McIntyre: instead, he attempted to ‘smooth ruffled feathers’ by posting a gracious response which began saying

Steve, I apologise if I have misunderstood what you wrote – that wasn’t my intention.
My comment about the “thermometer spliced hockey stick” was a reference to this post;
http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/20/mike’s-nature-trick/

Then, in the tradition of cowardly thugs kicking a man when he is down, you join in by falsely asserting the article by Eric Worrall was not “an honest interpretation of Steve’s work”.
Eric Worrall did no wrong but had the good grace to apologise for any misunderstanding he may have had of the writings of Steve McIntyre.
dp, your false accusation of dishonesty by Eric Worrall was thrown from behind the coward’s shield of anonymity and is despicable. Many people around the world are watching and waiting for your grovelling apology and withdrawal.
Richard

David A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2014 12:28 pm

Richard, thank you for an excellent post. You stated my perspective better then I could.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2014 2:00 pm

Hello Richard,
Glad to see you are feeling a bit better.
Best wishes, Allan

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2014 6:33 pm

When referring to MBH 98, “thermometer spliced hockey stick” is completely wrong. That’s the problem. Mann achieved his HS by overweighting bristlecone time series by 391 times, thus overwhelming the effects of any of the other non-HS proxies.
So yes, you need to amend your post consideranbly.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 8, 2014 2:24 am

Jeff Alberts
You wrongly assert

When referring to MBH 98, “thermometer spliced hockey stick” is completely wrong. That’s the problem. Mann achieved his HS by overweighting bristlecone time series by 391 times, thus overwhelming the effects of any of the other non-HS proxies.
So yes, you need to amend your post consideranbly.

YOU ARE WRONG. There is no need to amend the article.
The fact that MBH 98 was a “thermometer spliced hockey stick” was the first fault observed in MBH98, and the ‘climategate’ emails revealed that Mann was trying to mislead about this fact long before many (including Steve McIntyre) began to investigate MBH98. The matter has been much debated in the past including in a dedicated thread on WUWT.
The splicing of dis-similar data sets was only one of many faults with MBH98. Your citation of another fault with MBH98 does not alter the fact that the first fault to be observed with MBH98 is that it was a “thermometer spliced hockey stick”.
Richard

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 7, 2014 2:10 am

Steve,
I think a more gracious response would have been in order. Common courtesy and all that. Perhaps a private email to Eric so he could correct this post if needed? After all, he was complementing your work.

SkepticsGoneWild
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
December 7, 2014 2:57 am

My above comment meaning no disrespect to Steve whatsoever, The skeptic community would not be where it’s at today without the tireless work of McIntyre,

MikeB
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
December 7, 2014 2:59 am

Complimenting or complementing?

Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 7, 2014 6:01 am

Steve, why then don’t you bother to explain Mike’s Nature trick, or offer a link to a better explanation!
This question is crucial to the larger mainstream debate and you only obscure the issue further, with comments, that at least for my part, appear cryptic.
My understanding is that the proxy construction (As composed by Mann) declines and therefore it was difficult to splice a climbing instrumental record onto it. The lack of a match between the proxy and the instrumental temperature record, for a layman at least, would logically falsify either or both!
The claims made by Mann’s graph are far more mundane and far reaching in the public domain than the esoteric subtleties you appear to be at pains to point out.

pax
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
December 7, 2014 8:25 am

A quick search at ClimateAudit will quickly lead you to posts explaining the various tricks.

Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
December 7, 2014 8:44 am

He has an entire site… knock yourself out:

Harold
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
December 7, 2014 11:50 am

A few more words would have helped. That comment was almost Mosheresque in its inscrutability. Almost. Nobody out mumble Mosher.

pax
Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 7, 2014 8:22 am

I was also puzzled that Anthony did not get what “mike’s nature trick” was all about, but now I understand that it was someone called Eric Worrall who wrote this post. As others have said, this post should be amended or withdrawn.

Admin
Reply to  pax
December 7, 2014 11:12 am

The “nature trick” was to use the instrumental record to pad the tree proxy smoothing algorithm, to hide the decline – to change the downslope, which might have cast doubt on the validity of tree rings as a proxy, into an up slope. So “thermometer spliced” seemed a reasonable way to capture this process, in just a few words.
http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/20/mike%E2%80%99s-nature-trick/

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  pax
December 7, 2014 9:54 pm

But “Mike’s Nature Trick” is not what happened with the original HS, which is what SM’s post was about.

richardscourtney
Reply to  pax
December 8, 2014 2:39 am

pax
There is no Law which decrees Steve McIntyre has right of veto over what is said or who can discuss MBH98.
And there is absolutely no need – none, zilch, nada – to amend or withdraw the article.
Your suggestion of such a need is either ‘false flag trolling’ or is as mistaken as the comments by Jeff Alberts, so I refer you to my above refutation of his assertions in this thread: this link jumps to that refutation.
Richard

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 7, 2014 3:16 pm

Steve: That was immediately obvious from having previously read multiple threads on Climate Audit. But not everyone is able to keep up with the facts in this complex area, especially when “Mike’s Nature trick” continues to be incorrectly (and frequently) cited elsewhere. Thanks for putting in a word to keep the record accurate. It’s important.

mpainter
Reply to  Steve McIntyre
December 7, 2014 4:02 pm

I think Steve McIntyre meant exactly what said.

richardscourtney
Reply to  mpainter
December 8, 2014 7:12 am

mpainter
You say

I think Steve McIntyre meant exactly what said.

Perhaps. But if you think that then perhaps you can help the discussion by explaining what Steve McIntyre meant.
I refer you to my above post which is here and lists the imponderables of what Steve McIntyre meant.
Richard

Jim Jelinski
December 6, 2014 10:02 pm

I wonder….
What is the shape of a graph (time on the x-axis, total dollars spent on the y-axis) of the total taxpayer dollars spent by Mann and his organizations to hide his data, methods, and computer programs from the people who were forced to finance his ‘studies’?
THIS might be the REAL ‘Hockey-Stick’!
By the way, am I correct in my basic understanding that publicly-funded scientific studies are supposed to be available to the public? …. that the people who provided the money get to see what their money was spent to create?

December 6, 2014 10:05 pm

wait a minute…
There should have been increasing width of tree rings as CO2 increases…unless the climate is cooling even worst than I can imagine, or there was less rain, or essential nutrients were used up, or older trees grow slower, or…..never mind.
Apparently the planet threatening increase in atmospheric CO2 concentrations does not even register as plant food.
Oh well.

Patrick
December 6, 2014 11:09 pm

One tree broke Mann’s hockey stick?

William Astley
December 7, 2014 12:03 am

The Mann hockey stick ‘problem’ is more than incorrect proxy data.
The Mann hockey stick problem has four components: 1) cherry picking proxy data to create the hockey stick, 2) incorrect non-standard data analysis techniques which appears to be specifically done to create a hockey stick temperature graph (this interpretation of what transpired is supported by ‘scientist’ to ‘scientist’ climategate email communication (hide the decline emails), 3) efforts to withhold the incorrect data and analysis techniques from third party analysis to validate or invalidate the analysis, and 4) finally most importantly calling those who point out other proxy data sources unequivocally supports the assertion that planetary temperature cyclically warms and cools, ‘deniers’.
Nor is the hockey stick ‘problem’ which is called ‘climategate’ limited to Mann’s data and analysis. There is a select group of ‘scientists’ who it appears obviously have and continue to manipulate data/analysis to push the extreme AGW paradigm. For example, there has been a steady change in recent temperature records for example where past temperature records are reduced and recent temperature records are raised to create a ‘hockey stick’, to hide the fact that planetary temperature is not significantly increasing. The scientific evidence does not support the IPCC predicted extreme AGW.
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/McKitrick-hockeystick.pdf

What is the ‘Hockey Stick’ Debate About?
… At the political level the emerging debate is about whether the enormous international trust that has been placed in the IPCC was betrayed. The hockey stick story reveals that the IPCC allowed a deeply flawed study to dominate the Third Assessment Report, which suggests the possibility of bias in the Report-writing…
…The result is in the bottom panel of Figure 6 (“Censored”). It shows what happens when Mann’s PC algorithm is applied to the NOAMER data after removing 20 bristlecone pine series. Without these hockey stick shapes to mine for, the Mann method generates a result just like that from a conventional PC algorithm, and shows the dominant pattern is not hockey stick-shaped at all. Without the bristlecone pines the overall MBH98 results would not have a hockey stick shape, instead it would have a pronounced peak in the 15th century.
Of crucial importance here: the data for the bottom panel of Figure 6 is from a folder called CENSORED on Mann’s FTP site. He did this very experiment himself and discovered that the PCs lose their hockey stick shape when the Graybill-Idso series are removed. In so doing he discovered that the hockey stick is not a global pattern, it is driven by a flawed group of US proxies that experts do not consider valid as climate indicators. But he did not disclose this fatal weakness of his results, and it only came to light because of Stephen McIntyre’s laborious efforts
Another extension to our analysis concerned the claims of statistical significance in Mann’s papers. We found that meaningless red noise could yield hockey stick-like proxy PCs. This allowed us to generate a “Monte Carlo” benchmark for statistical significance. The idea is that if you fit a model using random numbers you can see how well they do at “explaining” the data. Then the “real world” data, if they are actually informative about the climate, have to outperform the random numbers. We calculated significance benchmarks for the hockey stick algorithm and showed that the hockey stick did not achieve statistical significance, at least in the pre-1450 segment where all the controversy is. In other words, MBH98 and MBH99 present results that are no more informative about the millennial climate history than random numbers. …

http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/cg.pdf

Why Climategate is so distressing to scientists
by John P. Costella | December 10, 2009

http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/LandseaResignationLetterFromIPCC.htm

ColinD
December 7, 2014 12:11 am

There are a whole lot of environmental variables that could influence tree growth/ring width. Precipitation, soil nutrients, aspect, to name some; as well as interactions between them. Is there anywhere published that temperature was shown to be the primary driver compared with the other possibilities.

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