Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
The numbers are rolling in…and they’re impressive in a odd way. Based on numerous news reports, somewhere in the neighborhood of 310 to 400 thousand people participated in the People’s Climate March on Sunday, September 21, 2014 in New York City. The parade was, of course, a precursor for the U.N. Climate Summit 2014, which begins tomorrow.
Yet the results of the U.N.’s Global Survey for a Better World, also known as MyWorld2015, show “Action taken on Climate Change” at the very bottom…the abyss…of things that matter most to families around the globe. See the screencap below. If you haven’t had your say, you can take the survey here.
Looks like the 310 to 400 thousand people who marched in Manhattan yesterday have priorities that are out of touch with the rest of the occupants of this lovely planet.
Considering the object of the U.N. meeting, maybe the marchers should have been calling for “honest and responsive government“, which ranked much higher than climate.
The proposed catastrophe of an insignificant rise in average temperature from 34 to 34.5 C inside of 2 or 3 generations is the issue here. The horror of 1 entire degree will be……..lost on humans. They can’t detect that difference and it is still inside natural variation and well inside the error bars of climate models.
The march was nothing more than a march of intellectually stunted, mob-ruled idiots.
Pamela, and since the temp won’t change in the tropics, it means that it will warm up in the right places.
Given their track record, I’m moving south.
Per the population clock: http://www.census.gov/popclock/ the US has 318,892,103 population at the moment.
So one could restate the march numbers as “318 Million 572 Thousand, 103” people snub climate march.
Or as: “Only 0.1% of US population shows up for march”…
Numbers can be such fun…
Well, 120,000 would be less than 400 ppm.
Rainer,
It appears that the folks who guesstimated the turnout were the same ones who made this sign:
http://www.moonbattery.com/FuzzyMath1.jpg
The climate kooks are making one last push towards relevance. Every one of their treaties, movies, laws, and predictions have failed. Yet all they do is ramp up the fear.
That sort of behavior meets the definition of crazy.
They are yesterday’s fear mongers whining about their inevitable passage into irrelevance.
This is precisely why we don’t have to worry about a totalitarian world gov. It starts off nice and fuzzy, full of Kumbaya moments, but eventually they get impatient and pushy, and soon its all hanging out for even the most gullible to see. The apparatchiks have faded away before this to fight another day and left the crumbling edifice to the useful idiots who are the last to be disillusioned. Interestingly, we have to be thankful to China, Russia and India who have held the fort for the rest of us to catch up. The soshulist model has been falsified repeatedly (hence Russia and China’s role as saviors) but these Luddites haven’t the imagination to try something different.
Gary, the problem is that while the population does wake up and roll back the gains of the one world govt types, they only give back about 90% of what they have gained.
Each new assault starts from higher ground than the previous assault.
On another topic, looks like the artic minimum ice extent may have been passed. Another year of “ice free” artic fail.
No. Climate March! World burning up! Polar ice caps REALLY melting!! I can’t hear you [fingers in ears]! /sarc
You are all out of your depth, the real issue goes back to the Galileo affair when the central argument was not really whether the Earth was the center of the solar system or Universe but rather whether the system which predicts astronomical events such as when the Equinox occurs,when solar and lunar eclipses happen and things like that would mesh with the observations and conclusions used to determine the Earth turns and moves through space.
The later empiricists exploited the term ‘predictive’ as it applies to astronomy within a clockwork solar system framework and then extended it to all motions large and small until we arrive in this train wreck of an era where everything is dumped into predictions/speculations and nothing reserved for interpretation and stable narratives which link astronomy to terrestrial sciences.
Turns out that one side in this ‘climate change’ mess is every bit as problematic as the other for the wider view looks at the emergence of predictive modeling and the disappearance of interpretative science where none of this nonsense would have happened.
Ya~ tell those shallow(?) punctuation users what’s what!
So, are you saying that both sides of the CAGW ‘mess’ are both wrong, because predictive modeling has usurped interpretative science in some way? It may be you whom are out of your depth, because interpretive science is even easier to politically spin than predictive modeling applied to science. The real problem, is that bad interpretations lead to failed predictions.
If you do a bit of drilling down on data.myworld2015.org, you will find that around 20% of respondents claim Mexico as their home country. I have nothing against Mexico, but these results are far from definitive. It’s just another example of the thoughtless approach the UN takes in all of its efforts. I will say that it is interesting that they would go public with this, since it is bad news for the warmist agenda. When will they start “adjusting” these results?
I was going to post the same thing. Mexico is incredibly over-represented in this survey. I’m curious how that happened. Also, 13.3% from Sri Lanka, 4.3% from Yemen, 3.5% from Nigeria, yet only 1.1% from USA. Heck, Ghana (1.2%) had a better showing than we did.
How the ‘peoples ‘march has been corporatised:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-peoples-climate-march-became-a-corporate-pr-campaign/
Reblogged this on Sierra Foothill Commentary and commented:
Rebane/s Ruminations has an excellent local discussion on the People’s Climate Change March. This march has all the signs of desperation. The participants are screaming slogans, rather than citing facts.
Meanwhile here in the UK there was a march through London headed by Emma Thompson and Vivienne Westwood – so you know automatically that they have no idea what they are marching for. Loads of banners saying ‘100% clean energy’ – whatever that means…
Between 310,000 to 400,000? AM New York today is saying “tens of thousands”.
I was interested in going to have a look myself and getting an idea of the size, but with the multiple PATH failures I wasn’t interested in getting stranded…
I’m shocked to see that political freedom ranks so low on the scale. I would have that at the top of what I want government to insure.
C’mon, let’s be honest here:
it is the “peoples” march, and the “people” are being constantly told in the media that “climate change is here and it is not good”, the science is settled, the debate is over, we must act now”,. Heck, even the President of the United States has said so, along with an ex-Vice President and, most importantly, Bill Nye the science guy, so it must be true.
These “people” are clueless of the truth: that only a portion of what is portrayed as “the science” is settled, that there is serious debate (even among supporters of the CAGW concept) going on, a globally warming atmosphere has not been happening in 15 – 18 years, nothing unprecedented has happened with the climate in recent history, etc.
Forgive them for they know not what they do, although they do look like they are having a good time doing it.
These people are all smarter than the rest of us — just ask them. So it’s no surprise they have other priorities.
#1 Priority is tell the rest of us how to live.
Data, Data, as with everything else in Climate Activisim, data is the first item to get mangled. We’ll never know how many people attended the March, it is too politically charged a data point for any level of integrity.
Not that it matters, after OWS which was a far more lengthy and wide ranging protest, Wall Street wealth has been on a huge upswing and the ranks in poverty have stayed the same if not increased.
Climate change skeptics call out marchers’ ‘hypocrisies’
http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/climate-change-skeptics-call-out-marchers-hypocrisies/
I went to the “Vote” site and was struck by the fact that there was little there that I would, as a US citizen, consider the business of government to accomplish. I certainly could not find 6 such issues in which the government should play any major roll. And none for the UN.
Had a Twitter chat with several of the attendees. They have a severe lack of civility. Name calling and such seems to be the mode of operation with that group.
There was a blackboard with the level of CO2 on it put not the temperature. I pointed that without the temperature the board was bogus. Also was a shot of the crowd with fossil spelled wrong and a sign held upside down which I commented on.
If there was an honest and responsive government then climate alarmism would be out of business. So no it is not high on lefty’s list. Haven’t you heard? Climate change is like the most urgent thing in like the history of like ever. Did you know like more animals are extincted in one hour than like the sun is as far from the earth?
Bwahaha….edumacation is like sooo important!….anyone else got the munchies?
Past participle of the verb ‘to extinct’ is ‘extunct’.
Mustering all the usual suspects from throughout the world for one protest in New York. Some of them were climate alarmists. Some of them were anti-capitalist. Some were Liberal Hipster Doofuses. All of them full of hype. And still less than that Glenn Beck rally in Washington a few years back.
The scientists gathering in new York are saying that emissions will continue to increase, adding that the world in about 30 years will warm by about 1.1 C from now. In 2009, world leaders called that level dangerous and pledged not to reach it.
Just go back a few years.
Pentagon-climate-scenario/ June 2014: Washington Times: Rowan Scarborough: Pentagon wrestles with bogus climate warnings as funds shifted to green agenda
Ten years ago, the Pentagon paid for a climate study that put forth many scary scenarios.
Consultants told the military that, by now, California would be flooded by inland seas, The Hague would be unlivable, polar ice would be mostly gone in summer, and global temperatures would rise at an accelerated rate as high as 0.5 degrees a year.
None of that has happened…
The report also became gospel to climate change doomsayers, who predicted pervasive and more intense hurricanes, tornadoes, floods and droughts…Doug Randall, who co-authored the Pentagon report, said, “Even I’m surprised at how often it’s referred to…
Asked about his scenarios for the 2003-2010 period, Mr. Randall said in an interview: “The report was really looking at worst-case. And when you are looking at worst-case 10 years out, you are not trying to predict precisely what’s going to happen but instead trying to get people to understand what could happen to motivate strategic decision-making and wake people up. But whether the actual specifics came true, of course not. That never was the main intent.”…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/1/pentagon-wrestles-with-false-climate-predictions-a/?page=all
This Pentagon climate report speaks to the heart of false climate science alarmism that is rampant to day .These alarmist climate science reports are meant to exaggerate and scare people. They do not highlight that these are worst case projections in the opening paragraph. These qualifications never make the headlines or press releases .The rational world does not plan for the future based on worst case scenarios. We might as well all quit living if this was the case . No nation can afford to spend money to mitigate worst case scenarios, nor should they. The problem is that some politicians take these worst case situations and make public policies and actions as if they were true. They then fabricate entirely new falsehoods like carbon dioxide is a pollutant on top of these worst case scenarios and you now have a firm government action thrust on the general public that is all pure fabrication of a worst case scenario that will never come about. Yet it comes from the highest administrative offices in the land
Now that it has been clearly shown during the recent 17 year pause in the rise of global temperature , that CO2 levels do not significantly raise global temperatures, what is happening with respect to global warming ? The global ocean surface temperatures have stopped rising and are in fact declining especially in the Northern Hemisphere and in particular, for the North Atlantic Ocean. The Winters are cooling globally and especially in the Northern Hemisphere. These factors have all combined to cause a major 17 year pause in global warming .This pattern is likely to continue for the next 2-3 decades as the cooler ocean cycles typically last 30-35 years and they have just started. North America is having one its coldest winters since about 30 years ago ( 34th coldest in UNITED STATES since 1895). Global climate seems to be returning to the cooler temperatures like we had 1880-1910 and 1945-1979. There has been no nation wide global warming in United States for 16 years or since 1998.
Wish someone could take away these guys computers and let them start doing some real science!
I took the poll. At the end of the listed concerns you get to add one of your own. I wrote, “Freedom from overreaching statist bureaucracy”
I have a feeling the UN will not like that.
According to the following article by The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11112221/Leonardo-DiCaprio-and-Sting-among-thousands-on-New-York-climate-change-march.html
the figure 310,000 is for the total participation in all the simultaneous marches worldwide. For New York they mention “tens of thousands” and “as many as” 100,000.
It’s strange that nobody has made this correction here yet…
There were 15 NFL games this weekend. Average attendance for the first two weekends of this season was 73,000. So about 1.1 million Americans attended football games while the march was held. Many million more watched their favourite teams on TV. Add another 73,000 tonight (Jets/Bears). Just saying! Regards from Canada- go Bears.
14 – One Thursday and one Monday.
“Everyone is happy. The legal eagles are glad the courts aren’t log jammed with misdemeanours, the cops don’t have to do tons of paperwork and the kids have had their very own martyrdom experience saving the planet, which thank goodness won’t appear permanently on their unblemished record. Everyone has a jolly time, even the cops, who occasionally like to dress up like Robocop and always appreciate a bit of overtime.”
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/know-your-enemy-the-foot-soldiers/
Don’t be too hard on the. It’s a good day out for everyone.
Pointman
I’m with George: