Climate Craziness of the Week: White House fence jumper was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president

Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary identified the fence-jumper as Omar J. Gonzalez, 42, of Copperas Cove, Texas. According to court documents, he was carrying a folding knife with a 3.5-inch serrated blade.

Gonzalez faces federal charges of entering a restricted building while carrying a weapon, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. A U.S. District Court magistrate judge in Washington today ordered him held without bond pending a hearing Sept. 22.

Margarita O’Donnell, a lawyer representing Gonzalez at a court appearance today, said he served 18 years in the military, including three tours in Iraq, and reported living in the Washington area for about three months.

Gonzalez told Secret Service agents he was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president, according to an affidavit filed with the court.

Source: Business Week

One wonders if he was a member of 350.org or some other similar climate propaganda organization.

Or maybe he simply got the idea from NASA: A Puzzling Collapse of Earth’s Upper Atmosphere

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September 20, 2014 6:03 pm

LMAO. They’re all loons.

djamer
Reply to  Alan Poirier
September 21, 2014 3:56 pm

The sky IS falling. . .
2http://news.discovery.com/earth/earth-atmosphere-shrinking.htm
The climate has ALWAYS been changing.

iwatts
September 20, 2014 6:04 pm

“Gonzalez told Secret Service agents he was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president, according to an affidavit filed with the court.”
Actually, that’s not that crazy. The advanced microchip in my wisdom-tooth from 30 years in the future has warned me about it as well. I already let Stephen Harper know by telepathy though, so I assume he’s already briefed Obama.

CodeTech
Reply to  iwatts
September 21, 2014 5:05 am

Shh. You’re not supposed to reveal that information. It’s part of the non-disclosure that you will sign.

Reply to  CodeTech
September 21, 2014 7:02 am

I’m wearing my tinfoil hat so I didn’t hear any of that

KevinM
Reply to  CodeTech
September 21, 2014 8:58 pm

Matthew, chech the Wierd Al song about conspiracy on the latest disk.
I know, its not music for winners, but the lines leading up to tinfoil hat will make you laugh.

bennybubbles
September 20, 2014 6:04 pm

Wow! That “poor” man… Mr C. Little really needs HELP! “The SKY is falling, the sky is falling!!!”

September 20, 2014 6:11 pm

“…he was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president,… “
Well, that should move him to the top of Obama’s appointment list and might supersede a round of golf.
/grin

September 20, 2014 6:17 pm

bb, get with the program. The sky is collapsing…

Andyj
September 20, 2014 6:18 pm

Army Vet; so on SSRI medication. Trusts in Democrats; who will have him jailed. Climate change believer and unable to perceive reality.
Is this leading somewhere or is it me?

mpainter
September 20, 2014 6:25 pm

This is called negative feedback

michael hart
Reply to  mpainter
September 21, 2014 12:53 am

+1

MikeH
Reply to  michael hart
September 21, 2014 4:59 am

Mike Hart, now that’s Positive feedback.
🙂

Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 6:26 pm

This hits close to my family, real close, similar to the way Anth***’s hearing loss does when issues related to his condition leads to inappropriate remarks about him.
Mental illness is a medical condition and is as hard to treat, let alone cure, as lung cancer is, or neural hearing loss. Let’s not go there folks. The man needs medical treatment, not disparaging remarks. And this has nothing to do with AGW. Please close this thread.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 6:32 pm

Pamela see my remark, posted just after yours. Sounds like we might have some very private personal things to commiserate about. Agreed, this is not appropriate for ‘normal’ WUWT.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 20, 2014 6:36 pm

Yes. I read your remark. Thank you. Mental illness, whether caused by post traumatic stress, or schizophrenia, or bi-polar conditions, or whatever, are devastating to the person and his/her family and friends. Let’s not add more pain to their already very difficult circumstances by continuing this thread one more minute.

Steve P
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 21, 2014 8:25 am

Why don’t we wait for a professional evaluation of Mr. Gonzalez’s mental condition before jumping to conclusions?

latecommer2014
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 7:20 pm

I agree this a mental illness and should be laid at the feet of those liars for profit….the true believers…. Who also suffer from the mental illness of AGW. When a vulnerable mind is bombarded with this type of scare tactic, it often becomes unhinged. It’s high time to start arresting these liars for profit.

phlogiston
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 7:49 pm

Yes mental illness is a serious issue.
It highlights the dangerous irresponsibility of those in science and the media who indulge in alarmism without basis in truth.
The revenue structure of both science and the media rewards alarmism and fails to punish fraud.
And there is no debate about the danger that this culture of hollow alarmism poses to the mentally unstable.
I am reminded of a report a while back about a father and mother who killed their children and themselves over fears of climate change.
There does need to be a debate on this. Don’t shut it down.

NikFromNYC
Reply to  phlogiston
September 20, 2014 8:28 pm

There is a cult at work in our society that has become a state religion. No wonder followers of it are seeking out dear leader.
http://youtu.be/tmPzLzj-3XY

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 8:14 pm

Pamela, you’re right that we should not speculate and joke in an insulting way about this particular person. But I would not close the thread.
I think the aspect of populist political alarmism that unnecessarily provokes both healthy people and mentally unstable people needs to be discussed. This is one good reason one ought not do alarmism. I remember a particular thread here on WUWT about a very young, high school age man who was suffering fears and near delusions about climate disaster, who needed some reassurances, not provocations and to be spoon fed silly reasons to believe humanity is a blight on the Earth.
Treating mental illness is hard. Deprogramming people who join cults is also very difficult. Stopping leftists in K-12 public education systems from brainwashing children to be climate cultists is important.

Andrew
Reply to  Mickey Reno
September 21, 2014 6:20 am

This. How do you think he was pushed into mental illness in the first place? Kids 4-5yo are being exposed to al-Gore’s death cult at school. Hiding the result is not helping.

Steve P
Reply to  Mickey Reno
September 21, 2014 8:35 am


Treating mental illness is hard

Diagnosis of mental illness across the internet is even harder.

mikeishere
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 9:18 pm

Given the incessant reports of impending climate doom it should be no surprise that a mentally fragile person might be frightened to point of losing control. The hoax thugs should bear all the blame for how their irresponsible rhetoric can adversely affect the most susceptible among us.

michael hart
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 1:05 am

Pamela, mental illness is indeed a serious issue. The lives of those who suffer from it, or are susceptible to it, are not improved by living in a society where people are routinely deceived, alarmed, or frightened by reports of an imagined looming environmental catastrophe. Or any other imagined catastrophe, for that matter.
Intellectual dishonesty from either the MSM or ‘climate-scientists’, focusing on ‘worst possible’ events to either sell copy or receive funding/publicity has a lot to answer for. Which is partly why I gave mpainter’s comment about “negative feedback” a +1.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 3:05 am

Hi Pamela,
in this case. sorry but it does have to do with agw ists and their actions intended to get the weak scared and needy to follow their line of “faith” or cant.
and the SSRI/
well again sorry, but the amount of people taking them and having some real issues, self and others losing lives Admitted BY the pharmas after so many people have..is also valid.
Ive lost 4 friends 2 by suicide and 2 by side effects of SSRI meds.

Jim G
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 7:33 am

The three tours in Iraq should give him the benefit of the doubt on any prosecution and how he is treated by all. One good point made so far, it will be Democrats who will be most likely to want to prosecute him, after all, he was carrying a weapon, a 3.5 inch knife. Just think how this would be broadcast if he was one of us (not you, but me, in that “us”) gun toting bible clingers.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Jim G
September 21, 2014 8:14 am

Time for Democrats to call for a ban 3.5 inch knifes? Especially those uber deadly folding ones.
/sarc
IMO: Calling a 3.5 inch knife “a weapon” is a lame stretch.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 8:06 am

Which “the man needs” are you referring too?
The possibly paid publicity stunt fence jumping man, or the man who goes golfing after his publicity stump speech on latest ISIS beheading.

Steve P
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 8:17 am

Please see my comment below,
Who determined that Mr. Gonzalez was suffering from mental issues? That may be your opinion, but it is not a professional evaluation.
I have impaired mobility. Think how many times you’ve seen the pejorative lame used to describe something substandard…

Steve P
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 8:28 am

Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 at 8:14 am

IMO: Calling a 3.5 inch knife “a weapon” is a lame stretch.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 12:53 pm

Steve P. are you saying my use of “lame” above, was inappropriate?

Steve P
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 2:04 pm

Steve P. are you saying my use of “lame” above, was inappropriate?

No.
For better English though, and to avoid the slight chance of offending someone who is lame and might be sensitive about it, your sentence could read:
Calling a 3.5 inch knife “a weapon” is a stretch.
without any loss of meaning, and with improved clarity.
That said, for better or worse, lame is in the common vernacular, as in lame excuse. This is the first lame stretch I’ve heard of, however, and since many lame folks don’t stretch that well, there is a certain self-contradicting incongruity to your colorful construction.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 4:19 pm

Steve P. – “avoid the slight chance of offending someone who is lame”
Attempting to link what I said to the handicap or being offensive to handicap is Liberalized Political Correctness run amok.

Janice the Elder
Reply to  Steve P
September 23, 2014 7:15 am

The English language has many words that have multiple meanings. It is usually quite easy to discern which meaning to assign to any particular word, according to context. One of my favorites is the word kosher, which probably has over a hundred meanings. Another is the acronym SNAFU, which I have heard very proper elderly ladies use, who probably have no idea that it is an acronym based upon a good solid military description of a bad situation. In my humble opinion, Darren was using the word “lame” in a perfectly acceptable manner for the context, which casts no aspersions upon anyone who has impaired mobility.

Janice the Elder
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 23, 2014 7:29 am

I have issues with some things. There are some excellent movies I will never watch again, as the subject matter disturbs me. There are some excellent books that I will never read again, for the same reason. We all have baggage and issues from our own personal lives and experiences. If there is a thread on a blog that has something in it that I find disturbing or uncomfortable, I simply stop reading that thread. There is no reason for anyone else to stop reading or posting, just because I have some personal problem with the subject. It is solely the responsibility of the owner of a blog, to decide what is appropriate or not.

September 20, 2014 6:27 pm

A very sad case.
Shows what climate fear mongering can do to minds already weakened by other factors like three combat tours in a ‘not war’ where your buddies still get blown up daily. Shame on us all for not yet stopping the fear mongering, stopping the ‘not wars’ (I was slivhtly affected by the later consequences of Vietnam), and for not helping this poor deluded vet better through the Obama scandaled VA. The first and last of those three are on OBama’s watch. No excuses.

September 20, 2014 6:29 pm

…jumper was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president
Now doesn’t that sound exactly like the Chicken Little parable?

David in Michigan
September 20, 2014 6:38 pm

The man had 18 years in the army (presumably active duty since 3 tours overseas) and he didn’t stay for two more to make his 20 and his retirement? That’s sad!

Steve P
Reply to  David in Michigan
September 21, 2014 8:22 am

Not only sad, but most peculiar.
As I said below (September 21, 2014 at 7:46 am ), no GI would willingly get out after 18 years with only 20 needed for retirement. After 18, you get zip.

3x2
Reply to  David in Michigan
September 21, 2014 9:54 am

Extremely sad in that some useless bean counter will have decided that he doesn’t qualify for anything.
Sad that such decisions are made by people whose version of PTSD is having been made to attend a late Friday afternoon meeting two week running.
Hopefully the Judge, if it gets that far, will recognise what he is dealing with and get the guy some help rather than 10 years in prison.
We happily send them out to fight our wars and wonder at what comes back. We shouldn’t

Reply to  David in Michigan
September 21, 2014 9:59 am

My wife and I have just spent two and a half weeks at the Western Washington State Fair with a display we set up honoring Vietnam Veterans. A couple days ago a guy who was too young to be a Vietnam Vet became enraged because he claimed that the insignia we had on one of the uniforms was wrong. The insignia had been placed on the uniform by the veteran herself and is correct. (Before 1979 when the WAC was integrated into the regular army the regs were varied sometimes for women, this often causes confusion at our displays.)
Anyway, the guy started yelling at us and said he had been in the army for 19 years. After he left our co-conspirator Master Sergeant Emmons ret. who was in the army special forces for 36 years and did multiple tours in both Vietnam and the Middle East, made a comment that anyone who washed out with just a year to go is a very sad case. Only he said it in a much more colorful way… think of R. Lee Emmy in Full Metal Jacket. I did my best to keep his volume down so he wouldn’t offend any more of our visitors.

Reply to  Steven M
September 21, 2014 10:06 am

Excuse me, Senior Master Sergeant Emmons… I will probably now be forced to do some for of punishment if he sees my post. ; )

Admin
September 20, 2014 6:42 pm

Given that these days being a climate activist seems to get you off the hook for criminal acts, its a pretty clever defence.
“I wasn’t here to … the president with my knife, I wanted to warn him about climate change”

MikeH
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2014 5:15 am

Yes Eric, given the legal precedent of not prosecuting activists for their deeds, just because they had ‘good intentions’, I expect all charges to be dropped. /sarc-off
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/08/district-attorney-becomes-noble-cause-climate-corrupted-drops-charges/
also (not US courts, but AGW activists would love us to emulate EU courts);
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/11/british-jury-says-greenpeace-protesters-were-right-to-vandalize-coal-plant/

Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 6:45 pm

I finally got the nerve to watch “A Beautiful Mind” just this past year. I cried till I fell asleep. I ask again. Please close this thread.

Katherine
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 6:59 pm

So just don’t read the thread. No one’s forcing you.

Glenn
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 7:49 pm

Read the real story.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Glenn
September 21, 2014 3:48 pm

I skipped some of the comments but I gathered that the claims of “mental illness” hit close to home. Please forgive and overlook those who have jumped on the phrase. Whatever the person you know is or was dealing with, this guy jumping the fence was triggered (maybe) by the CAGW PR.
And do read the real story of “A Beautiful Mind”. Reality is not as Hollywood would make it seem.
The author of “Mary Poppins” really did cry at the end of the movie as “Saving Mr. Banks” portrayed. But it was in anger and frustration at what they had done to her story, not because she was “touched by it” as the Disney take on it would imply.

September 20, 2014 6:58 pm

Sadly “…close this thread” rings similar to “The debate is settled.” Blogs like this are for communication, foolish and sensible opinions notwithstanding.

Reply to  Tom Wysmuller
September 20, 2014 8:40 pm

Tom, see my reply below. And respond if you dare. You know not whereof you speak.

Steve P
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 21, 2014 9:12 am

And you don’t know that Mr. Gonzalez is suffering from any mental disorder.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Tom Wysmuller
September 23, 2014 4:09 pm

For Pamela this hits close to home. While I don’t think the the thread should be closed, being a bit familiar with her comments, if she asked that it be closed then it hit REALLY close to home.
My uncle was a law professor. I know that he wrote at least one law book. I saw it on my Dad’s bookshelf. Years later I also saw him forgetting how to make a sandwich.
There are jokes about death or zits that are really, genuinely funny, unless you just suffered a loss or have a loved one or you have zits yourself.
Again, I don’t think the thread should be closed but, give a reader and frequent WUWT commenter a break.

Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 7:04 pm

You are right. This is not my house. I will leave you with this. There but for the grace of God go I. Somewhere down the road, quite a few of us will have to face mental illness in our direct experience. I hope you are treated kindly if you are a caretaker, and I hope the person with the illness is treated compassionately.

ossqss
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 8:45 pm

Pamela, don’t let the past steer the future!
Regards Ed

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 20, 2014 8:51 pm

Why would god grace you and not him? It’s a selfish statement.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 20, 2014 9:12 pm

And your statement was not of your self ?

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 21, 2014 6:24 am

It is a statement that sometimes provides relief and sometimes leads to more agony. Ask any vet.

LogosWrench
September 20, 2014 7:04 pm

Even if it were true this boneheaded Administration’s only answer would be to tax us. Call it the Chicken Little tax. That way you have tax but the word little right next to it so it doesn’t sound so bad. Orwellian verbage.

BFL
September 20, 2014 7:12 pm

An example of why NO wars should be fought unless absolutely proven necessary. Unfortunately those at the top who don’t have to fight in the trenches and who usually consider the rest “cannon fodder” make the decisions. And NEVER considered is the mental/physical damage done much more massively to civilian innocents or those many military personnel who are unwillingly caught up in the conflagration on the other side. And this usually in some poor country that has no where near the treatment resources that we have.

Reply to  BFL
September 21, 2014 11:01 am

War is the failure of politicians, old men. The young pay the price.

Gary
September 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Excuse #53 for the pause – the sky is collapsing.

eyesonu
Reply to  Gary
September 21, 2014 8:23 am

Possibly a result of the cow jumping over the moon. The sky could not handle the weight.

September 20, 2014 7:38 pm

I will agree with Pam Grey. This is classic “schitzoid” behavior. Sometimes, it can also be the MANIC phase of Bipolar, as during the Manic phase many bi-polar people become “obsessed’ with a single idea. Usually something related to the themes of the external world or some prominent experience in their life. (I know of several, one was the mother of a friend, who every 3 to 4 years HAD to move to a new house…another was the son of someone in my neighborhood. He became obsessed with being an “entrepreneur” …would pack up his car with most belongings and drive “out west” to start his new business. SO, in either case, yes…sounds like treatment time.

Reply to  Max Hugoson
September 21, 2014 10:51 am

Resolved: Climate Alarmism is a mental disorder.

RockyRoad
September 20, 2014 7:40 pm

I’ve been looking around trying to identify the scaffolding that’s holding up the sky.
So far, all I’ve seen is clouds.

September 20, 2014 7:53 pm

“The atmosphere is collapsing” could be an extreme consequence of CAGW being worst that we thought. This sad incident could be an example of a positive feedback.

Reply to  Andres Valencia
September 21, 2014 10:52 am

“The atmosphere is collapsing”,”The sky is falling”. Same, same.

mark l
September 20, 2014 7:53 pm

Poor man. But this episode is a classic example of the current mentality concerning AGW (if you make that jump), not a condemnation of the man or his illness. Get a grip.

September 20, 2014 8:01 pm

Sure that wasn’t the president’s science advisor?

Konrad
Reply to  Will Nitschke
September 20, 2014 8:16 pm

That was my first thought. A loon trying to warm the President that the atmosphere is collapsing jumping the Whitehouse fence? Surely just John Holdren losing his security pass again….

Andrew
Reply to  Konrad
September 21, 2014 6:28 am

My first reaction too. He sounded more rational than whoever Obama is currently getting his advice from

September 20, 2014 8:29 pm

Pamela, again some ‘double’ empathy.
First, this is also your house, and mine, since we both virtually inhabit it as WUWT guests. Would that others were so kind and courteous as our host here.
Second, a personal story, names redacted, for all to understand that this is not some laughing matter. and the facts are revealed so that you all can understand.
I own a large dairy farm in Wisconsin. Since decades, the cow part has been subcontracted to the adjacent smaller farm/family. Thatnfamilymsent the oldest son to study Ag. First of the family to be a college grad, and we held a party to celebrate.
Unfortunately, he became schizophrenic. Came to me wanting legal advice how to sue U. W. Madison over his appendectomy, since during that operation the doctors had transplanted a radio listening device into him.
Then he became violent. Using large farm machinerymtomtake out fences, destroy shelters, and such. His family called the county police so many times they stopped,coming out…
So, I was going to terminate the land lease and get him out. Called his mother Diane, who sobbingly said you must, but please consider youngest son Andy as an alternative…
So I went to terminate the oldest sons land lease.Went to the Iowa County police first, asking them to accompany me. They refused, since had already gone on too many violence calls. But they did say I was justified to go armed, and could shoot in self defense. Really, but cold comfort. So,I did go armed, confronting mental illness alone….
Well…,the upshot of this Willis like story is that the eldest son is gone (and still mentally ill when not taking his meds), the youngest son is a terriffic farmer with whom I am proud to be partnered, (producing over 2 million pounds of milk per year not to mention veal and hamburger and surplus soy and corn), and neighbor Mother Diane and I am still both heartbroken.

September 20, 2014 8:37 pm

Sorry at the typos just above. Got caught in iPad hell, through some genuine tears.

u.k.(us)
September 20, 2014 8:49 pm

I thought 3.5 was legal ?
A quick Google says 3″.
One has to wonder where the man learned “the atmosphere was collapsing”.
It certainly wasn’t here.

September 20, 2014 8:59 pm

Poor guy. PTSD or some form of mental illness. Hope he gets the help he needs.

September 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Pamela Gray:
My mother was beginning to show signs of mental illness late in her life before she died at 88 back in March of 2013, and it greatly saddened me to see it happen. Thankfully, she is now resting in peace.
If it is any consolation Pamela, this incident should lead to this individual getting the treatment for his mental condition that he needs. The court will likely (I should think) order an evaluation of his mental condition. If he does truly have a mental condition that requires treatment (as appears to be the case), I would think that the court will commit him to a facility where he will get the treatment for his condition that he needs.
However one chooses to look at this incident, he is crying out for help for his condition by doing this. Hopefully the court will see to it that he gets it. And that is what is important here.

Brute
September 20, 2014 9:48 pm

You guys have to admit it IS a good defense.

James Allison
September 20, 2014 10:02 pm

Pamela is wrong. The worst thing you can do is attempt to close down any discussion about mental illness.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  James Allison
September 20, 2014 11:04 pm

Last I heard, all skeptics are mentally ill.
Oh, and you must have taken her comments the wrong way.
Yep, I double down on your concern.

Berényi Péter
September 20, 2014 10:19 pm

Gonzalez […] was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president

No need to warn the president, he already knows. And was not arrested.

September 21, 2014 4:20 am

A ha! Buried deep in this link “Or maybe he simply got the idea from NASA: A Puzzling Collapse of Earth’s Upper Atmosphere” is the explanation for the pause:
“When carbon dioxide gets into the thermosphere, it acts as a coolant, shedding heat via infrared radiation. It is widely-known that CO2 levels have been increasing in Earth’s atmosphere. Extra CO2 in the thermosphere could have magnified the cooling action of solar minimum.”
So not only is the sky collapsing, but that collapse is caused by CO2 (of course) and it is causing the pause as well by cooling the thermosphere!!!

SC-Slywolf
September 21, 2014 7:23 am

Has Lewandowski weighed-in on this?

beng
September 21, 2014 7:27 am

I’d be skeptical of his lawyer’s claim that he thought the “atmosphere was collapsing”. That may just be an excuse manufactured by the defense.

Steve P
September 21, 2014 7:46 am

Rush to judgment
I missed the part where there was any medical or physical evaluation of Mr. Gonzalez, or any public disclosure of any such evaluations by qualified personnel
There are several thousand activists marching in NYC today as part of the People’s Climate March. Quincy Saul, who thinks Americans are “parasites” and “predators”, and who has been rallying activists with his column at Truthout sounds crazy to me…

The only thing that we can do to meet the deadline for climate justice is to engage in a massive and permanent campaign to shut down the fossil fuel economy. But we have to do this strategically, not in the symbolic cuff-and-stuffs that are a perversion and prostitution of the noble ideals of civil disobedience and revolutionary nonviolence. So we are going to shut down coal plants; we are going to block ports, distribution centers and railway hubs where fossil fuels are transported; whatever it takes to keep the oil in the soil. We’re going to put our bodies between the soil and the sky.So let’s make sure that the call to “Flood Wall Street” on September 22 is the “angry riptide” it should be, and not “the gentle flood.”

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/26215-like-a-dull-knife-the-peoples-climate-farce
Getting back to Mr. Gonzalez, the 18 year service hitch is very odd. No GI with 18 years service would wiliingly get out with retirement just two years away. I wonder what he has been doing in DC for the past 3 months?

Steve P
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 7:48 am

s/b medical or psychological evaluation

hunter
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 7:04 pm

Considering that nasty pathetic call to terrorism by Mr. Saul, perhaps Mr. Gonzalez is part of Mr. Saul’s call to terrorize society.

john
September 21, 2014 8:14 am
eyesonu
September 21, 2014 8:58 am

Maybe he was simply making a political statement.
Let’s see. Jumping fences. Crossing borders and entering areas without proper authorization/documentation. Claiming the sky is falling/collapsing. A pocket knife. Question: was he wearing golf shoes?

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
September 21, 2014 9:00 am

I should have added, did he have a penny in his pocket?

September 21, 2014 9:19 am

Business Week reported
“. . . . A U.S. District Court magistrate judge in Washington today ordered him [Gonzales] held without bond pending a hearing Sept. 22.
Margarita O’Donnell, a lawyer representing Gonzalez at a court appearance today, said he served 18 years in the military, including three tours in Iraq, and reported living in the Washington area for about three months.
Gonzalez told Secret Service agents he was “concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing” and wanted to alert the president, according to an affidavit filed with the court.”

– – – – – – – – –
Initiation of physical force like Gonzalez’s alleged very disturbing act is a very serious concern in a free society.
Please do not close down this thread because there needs to be a discussion of the principle of no initiation of physical force as being the fundamental rational basis of free society.
John

Gregory
September 21, 2014 9:48 am

Or a political game by the appointed attorney.

September 21, 2014 9:48 am

we should encourage this type of action.
may wake people up faster.
would be difficult to do in a manner that would prevent physical harm though.

Steve P
September 21, 2014 10:13 am

Truth is

the fundamental rational basis of free society.

Lies and false witness are the root of much evil. So too are jumping to conclusions, and being misled by appearances.
Of course, it’s entirely beyond the realm of possibility that Mr. Gonzalez was on some kind of assignment, and even if he was not, what about all those people marching today in NYC? Many have had their minds bent by the relentless media propaganda about damage to the planet from carbon, and runaway global warming.
We all know the injunction against falsely yelling Fire! in a crowded theater, but what about the likes of Quincy Saul, whose hysterical caterwauling exemplifies the kind of fiery demagoguery that makes mobs run amok, and leads deluded, but self-righteous people to do seemingly crazy things?
.

Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 10:38 am

Human Beings, en masse, prove to be quite gullable. History confirms this. Especially if you propose to “eat the rich”.

Reply to  Steve P
September 22, 2014 9:06 am

Steve P on September 21, 2014 at 10:13 am
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Steve P,
If a person believes there is a fire in the theatre, like if an CAGW activist believes the earth is burning up, and even if either of those has no real physical evidence about their beliefs, then yelling ‘fire’ / ‘earth burning up’ is not intended to cause harm, quite the contrary yelling is believed by them to prevent harm. Yet harm may be very likely to indeed result from them yelling out about their beliefs when others simply, without actual reason, panic at the yells of alarm.
This is why the nature of risks of uncritical based panic needs exposure.
John

September 21, 2014 10:35 am

Alright!! Another Global Warming euphamism, Climate Collapse. Sounds much worse than Climate Change or Climate Disruption or even Climate Weirding. I hope it catches on.

Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 4:26 pm

RobRoy: “Another Global Warming euphamism, Climate Collapse.”
Sounding more and more like the Fence jumping, White House door crasher was part of a AGW political stunt. A stunt I wouldn’t be surprised to find Obama administration having setup.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Conspire much ?
You were just kidding, I hope.
Squirrels strapped with C-4, would make for better tv.

Darren Potter
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 21, 2014 4:57 pm

u.k.(us)
You are asking wrong person about Conspiring. You should be asking Mann, Gore, Hansen, Obama about their AGW Scam. Then there is Obama and Holder’s gun running (aka Fast & Furious) that was setup for purpose of calling for new and stricter gun control laws. Whatever these people appear to be doing, rest assured they have a hidden agenda.
Obamacare was never, I repeat NEVER, about better and affordable Health Care for Americans. If it were, Obamacare would have been centered on TORT reform, saving Americans 250 Billion dollars a year. Obamacare’s purpose is to break America’s Health Care system to where America has to implement a Universal single payer Health Care system. A system that is controlled by Big Brother, a system that ensures We the People are beholding to our Elitist masters in Washington.

Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 4:46 pm

John Whitman: “Initiation of physical force like Gonzalez’s alleged very disturbing act is a very serious concern in a free society.”
You do realize, the Obamas, Holders, Reids, and Pelosis have instigated these kinds of acts?
The aforementioned are same ones who promoted Occupy Wall Street trashing, ugly protesting and rioting to force Zimmerman’s arrest; while declaring peaceful and respect demonstrations by Conservatives and TEA Party members as radical and racist.
Thus, I see the act only as serious concern to “free society” in that Obamas, Holders, Reids, and Pelosis have promoted such acts. They are the ones who have been brain washing people into believing in AGW Sham. As far as fence jumper’s act being a threat to President, a serious concern – Ho Hum. A serious concern would be an actual (no False Flag) attempted assassination, aka a Hinckley type shooting at Obama.

Reply to  Darren Potter
September 22, 2014 9:29 am

Darren Potter on September 21, 2014 at 4:46 pm
@ John Whitman
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Darren Potter,
Do we both agree that if the government of the USA initiates the use of physical force against its own citizens then it is acting against the basis of our open society?
I do not doubt that there have been or are cases where the USA government has acted with initiation of force on its own citizens. The idea is that our constitution gives weight in independent courts to protect us. Do they sometimes fail to protect? I think they have sometimes failed. BUT GENERALLY there has been protection here in the USA if the government tries to initiate the use of physical force against its own citizens. Is that protection significantly degrading in this most recent decade? Some make a very vocal case that it is degrading and I think it is likely to be a focus of upcoming USA elections this year and also in 2016.
John

hunter
September 21, 2014 7:00 pm

The climate kooks prey upon the vulnerable like Mr. Gonzalez by pushing their apocalyptic climate fear 24 X 7.
I hope he can get the help he deserves as a Veteran. I hope that climate fear mongers will start considering how their hype encourage the most vulnerable to act as if their hype is actually true.

hunter
September 21, 2014 7:10 pm

This Quincy Saul is right up there with Pol Pot as far as his vision of a people in balance with nature.
He is certainly worth keeping an eye on.

September 22, 2014 10:35 am

Koo-koo. Just adapts the current news to fit his delusions. Hmmm-he’s got a lot in common with BO.

prjindigo
September 23, 2014 4:58 am

He’s actually not wrong. The atmosphere HAS been constricting since the late 90s.

George E. Smith
September 23, 2014 8:03 am

Well not to worry about a somewhat impaired WH fence jumper. The Casa Blanca security have ISIS under control, and besides, global climate change is a far more serious threat to the White House, than some 7th century butchers.

George E. Smith
September 23, 2014 8:08 am

On another note: John Key now has a bigger majority in Parliament, in NZ, so maybe he is up to kissing off Kyoto at last.
He was helped along by some German nutball, mumbling about hackers.
Not that Germans are nutballs; just this nutball happens to be German. My sympathies to our German friends, for this albatross around your necks.

J.Swift
September 25, 2014 1:12 am

Perhaps he just confused the atmosphere with the debt bubble.

talldave2
September 26, 2014 1:39 pm

Good Lord! This is outrageous! Obama might have missed a tee time!

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