Quote of the week – the numerology of "dialing in" climate science

qotw_croppedThis quote from ETH Zurich is actually from another just published post, but it is so grating, so anti-science, that it deserves its very own thread to highlight it.

Here it is:

If the model data is corrected downwards, as suggested by the ETH researchers, and the measurement data is corrected upwards, as suggested by the British and Canadian researchers, then the model and actual observations are very similar.

Gosh.

This is like saying:

If we take all our economic projections for performance as suggested by our financial models, and correct it downwards, and at the same time, if we take all of our revenues and expenditures that are in the red, and adjust them upwards, out company will be on track and our investors will be satisfied.

Except, people go to jail for that sort of thing.

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Iggy Slanter
August 19, 2014 8:05 pm

What a great idea!!! Pure genius!!

lee
August 19, 2014 8:18 pm

Frank K. says:
August 19, 2014 at 10:58 am
Thank you for that graphic. Can you tell me over what timeframe that 9999.00 inches of rainfall occurred? 😉

MattS
August 19, 2014 8:32 pm

,
“Can you tell me over what timeframe that 9999.00 inches of rainfall occurred?”
40 days and 40 nights.

Truthseeker
August 19, 2014 8:45 pm

curioti says:
August 19, 2014 at 12:08 pm

The Modelers Hippocratic Oath …
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Climate Modelers have a Hypocritical Oath …

SAMURAI
August 19, 2014 9:13 pm

We’re witnessing an attempt by CAGW grant grubbers to abandon the scientific method to save their precious hypothesis from disconfirmation.
Under the scientific method, if hypothetical projections don’t match reality by a statistically significant margin for a statistically significant duration, the hypothesis must be abandoned.
Under this criteria, the CAGW hypothesis is on the cusp of being disconfirmed, and an end to the CAGW grant gravy train….
CAGW scientists don’t want to see their funding dry up and CAGW politicians are loath to give up $trillions of CO2 taxes, alt-en subsidies, alt-en mega projects, political donations from “Green” donors/industrialists, votes from brainwashed constituents, etc.
The CAGW scam is quickly approaching its denouement. It has already been 18 years with no global warming trend and every month that passes with a global warming trend below 0.2C/decade is another nail in CAGW’s coffin.
Pretty soon, there won’t be anymore space to pound in more nails…

Bart
August 19, 2014 10:08 pm

JohnB says:
August 19, 2014 at 9:28 am
“The “downward correction” is to account for the predominance of La Nina over recent years.
The “upward correction” is to account for bias due to lack of arctic temperature stations.
Unreasonable?”

Yes. The first because predominance or not, the temperature is what it is. The second because that would conflict with that pesky satellite data, which suffers from no such deficiency.

Rip Van Halen
August 19, 2014 10:10 pm

One of the problems with the models is that they deal so poorly with clouds–AR4 says as much. (Chap. 7, I believe). They also acknowledge that cloud feedbacks could be in a very large range (from negative to positive). The discussion concludes by making a bunch of assumptions about clouds that essentially remove their influence. Call me unimpressed.

ImranCan
August 19, 2014 11:33 pm

Its a bit like saying, “if I could just birdie the next 3 holes and finish with an eagle, then I would be as good as Tiger Woods and not have to do my day job anymore”.
The difference between reality and fantasy.

geronimo
August 20, 2014 12:14 am

What they’re actually saying, is that if we had some bacon, we could have some bacon and eggs, if we had some eggs.
h/t H.B. Morton aka “Beachcomber”

johnmarshall
August 20, 2014 3:00 am

I thought that this was exactly what NCDC, Hadley were doing. Total fraud!!!!!!!

D C
August 20, 2014 5:02 am

[snip – more slayers crap from Doug Cotton, who is banned, sneaking in under another false name. – Anthony]

ClimaateScientist
August 20, 2014 5:04 am

The only temperature in the ocean that relates to climate is the temperature of the thin surface layer which we can consider to be significantly less than a metre deep. Below that the ocean starts to get colder and colder, and so obviously the energy down there is not contributing to warming the air just above the surface.
Now that thin surface layer of the ocean acts nothing at all like a black or grey body. Such bodies are not transparent by definition. However you look at it, only a small portion of the direct solar radiation is absorbed by that surface layer, because most of the insolation passes down into colder layers a few metres below.
So, if you think you can apply SBL, then at least reduce the radiative flux to something less than 10%. Then of course you get a very low temperature, simply because the thin surface layer of the ocean emits far more energy by radiation than it absorbs by radiation. Its surface does not get as hot in the Sun as a black asphalt road nearby.
Where does the rest of the energy come from whilst the ocean surface is warming slightly on a clear sunny day? A similar question applies to the Venus surface. It needs an energy input of about 16,000W/m^2 for its temperature to actually rise, as it does by 5 degrees in its daytime. The direct solar radiation provides less than 20W/m^2. Where does the rest of the required energy come from? It comes by way of molecular collisions happening all through the troposphere as the whole troposphere is absorbing solar energy.
Before you say “from back radiation” you need to read my paper “Radiated Energy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics” (published on several websites in March 2012 and never correctly rebutted) because that explains the process whereby spontaneous radiation can only raise the temperature of a target if the radiation comes from a hotter source.
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Gravity acting on individual molecules maintains a temperature gradient as the state of thermodynamic equilibrium with homogeneous total energy. This happens above and below a planet or moon’s surface – yes even in solids – and that is why the core of our Moon is hotter than its surface. It does not require internal energy generation. Because the temperature gradient is an equilibrium state, the addition of new energy in a cooler region makes the gradient less steep, and so energy moves up the temperature plot to restore the equilibrium gradient, and that is how the required energy gets into planetary surfaces – not by back radiation. This non-radiative process provides the missing energy.
Suppose the gravito-thermal effect did not exist. Then the top of a planet’s troposphere would be hotter than the base thereof because the intensity of solar radiation is attenuated as the radiation gets partially absorbed and reflected on its way down. For example, on Venus the only region where direct solar radiation can raise the temperature is in the uppermost regions of the troposphere and cooler regions above. As you go down from there the intensity is reducing whilst the temperature is rising. Hence the temperature is already well above what the intensity of the radiation could acquire as per SBL.
This gravitationally induced temperature gradient approaches a value of g/Cp where Cp is the weighted mean specific heat (not “heat capacity” by the way) and this is because potential energy gained equals kinetic energy lost. Briefly, M.g.dh = M.Cp.dt giving dt/dh = g/Cp with no minus sign because gravity is already in the opposite direction to the increase in height.
Now, in any atmosphere some molecules radiate and radiation between two objects always has a temperature levelling effect. But radiating molecules are only a small portion of the atmosphere, and so they just reduce the gravitationally induced gradient. Thus the wet adiabatic temperature gradient is less steep than the dry one. (No I won’t use the inappropriate and unnecessary term “lapse rate.”) The reduction causes the whole temperature plot to rotate about a pivoting altitude (actually about 3.5Km to 4Km up, not 5Km) and that is why the temperature at the surface is cooler in more moist regions.
In a nutshell, that is the mechanism whereby water vapour and carbon dioxide cool a planet’s surface, as empirical data clearly shows for water vapour

toorightmate
August 20, 2014 5:19 am

Until a couple of decades ago, journalists would have picked up on something as stupid as this.
However, now that the majority of journalists have been lectured/trained by the left wing nutters who occupy our universities [and are illiterate; and have lots of trouble with addition and subtraction], they are incapable of distinguishing this for what it is – horsesh*t.

Mr Green Genes
August 20, 2014 5:33 am

JohnB says:
August 19, 2014 at 9:28 am
“The “downward correction” is to account for the predominance of La Nina over recent years.
The “upward correction” is to account for bias due to lack of arctic temperature stations.

From the Steven Mosher school of ‘adjusting’ the data to fit the hypothesis.
Btw, wulliejohn (August 19, 2014 at 11:57 am) 6 x 9 does equal 42 in base 13.

Reply to  Mr Green Genes
August 21, 2014 6:34 am

Green Genes – How long did it take you to figure out the base it would work in? LOL

The other Phil
August 20, 2014 5:58 am

I see some unfair over-reaction.
ETH is making two points:
1. The models are generating predictions that are too high ETH proses that models should be adjusted to produce better predictions. Does anyone seriously object to this? Isn’t this what many in this forum are advocating?
2. The other point is a little puzzling. They suggest that the calculation of the average temps includes an under-representation of areas such as the artic, which are warming more than average, thus the overall average is wrong. I am puzzled, because while I have no doubt there are fewer monitoring stations in the Arctic, it is obvious that one should account for this in the calculation of the average and I assumed (naively?) that those calculating the average have already done this. If not they should. Does anyone disagree that if you want to compare a predicted average to an empirical average you should use the right empirical average? (My guess is that this second point will turn out to be a misunderstanding, surely it is already done. Maybe not perfectly, but I cannot believe they simply average over monitoring stations without adjusting for area.)
Sounds to me like they are supporting the calculation of good data, and the improvement of models that have, heretofore, predicted too high a temperature. That should be applauded, not decried.

The other Phil
August 20, 2014 5:59 am

Sorry , “ETH proposes”, not “ETH proses “

BruceC
August 20, 2014 6:29 am

Doug UK says:
August 19, 2014 at 12:53 pm
I have told my wife that if we adjust or “correct” down the medically recommended weight for her size and if we then “correct” the actual readings of the Scales then despite her ar$e being the size of a small country, the desired weight and our ‘actual observations are very similar’.
Any comments as quick as possible as I fear I may not live long…………..

Frank K.
August 20, 2014 6:30 am

lee says:
August 19, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Frank K. says:
August 19, 2014 at 10:58 am
Thank you for that graphic. Can you tell me over what timeframe that 9999.00 inches of rainfall occurred? 😉

Hey that’s really all of the ice melt they’ve been predicting for over a decade…heh.
The other Phil says:
August 20, 2014 at 5:58 am
“I see some unfair over-reaction.
ETH is making two points:
1. The models are generating predictions that are too high. ETH proposes that models should be adjusted to produce better predictions. Does anyone seriously object to this? Isn’t this what many in this forum are advocating?”
No one objects to improving models – I’ve been working with computational fluid dynamics for over 20 years, and improving physical models is what I’ve been involved with throughout my career. What they were proposing in their statement were adhoc adjustments based on flimsy physical arguments so that the computational results agree with the real world data. That is NOT how science works and is absurd on it’s face. Moreover, this is NOT the sort of thing that should be in a press release because journalists and the lay public will never read the original paper to determine what caveats, assumptions, and limitations are associated with the modeling and subsequent comparisons with data.
Normally, I wouldn’t get worked up about this kind of fluffy press release by a couple of obscure science researchers, but you HAVE to realize that today climate science is not science but POLITICS, and it the politics that is doing great damage to our society in form of crushing energy prices, taxes, overly restrictive laws and regulations (most of which will have zero effect on our climate). This is no longer academic science – it is political warfare.

BruceC
August 20, 2014 6:39 am

Werner Brozek says:
August 19, 2014 at 7:04 pm
Let me see if I have this about right. (I apologize in advance for readers who are not familiar with baseball).

Who’s on first?

Scott
August 20, 2014 6:51 am

It can be described in one simple word…..”Excuses”, it just looks and sounds better than I forgot, I made a mistake, I overlooked something….etc etc etc

beng
August 20, 2014 7:32 am

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Kate Forney says:
August 19, 2014 at 9:29 am
If that pitch had been 1 foot higher and 8 inches to the right, it would have been a strike, so “YERRR OUT!”.
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And if you argue about it too much, you get a “YERRR OUTTA HERE!”

richardscourtney
August 20, 2014 7:46 am

D C:
In your post at August 20, 2014 at 5:02 am you say

Before you say “from back radiation” you need to read my paper “Radiated Energy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics” (published on several websites in March 2012 and never correctly rebutted) because that explains the process whereby spontaneous radiation can only raise the temperature of a target if the radiation comes from a hotter source.

Clearly, I must be mistaken to think my microwave oven works if your paper says that /sarc
Richard
REPLY: Richard, it’s that Doug Cotton character again – DO NOT ENGAGE – Anthony

Venter
August 20, 2014 7:58 am

Richard, D.C. is Doug Cotton back again under another moniker. Same slayer nonsense.
REPLY: Yep, snipped, thanks for the catch – Anthony

Alexej Buergin
August 20, 2014 8:16 am

Please do not say “ETH” when you mean “Knutti”; most families have an embarrassing relative.
ETH usually appears among the best universities of the world; here it is number 12, but first among the non-english speaking:
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=
And it still costs less than $1000 per semester.
(That, of course, does not help Americans. Apart from the language problem, they are not welcome to open an account in a Swiss bank.)

August 20, 2014 9:05 am

Perhaps this phrase has fallen out of favor, but it certainly describes what is being proposed:
correction, fudge factor(noun)
a quantity that is added or subtracted in order to increase the accuracy of a scientific measure
My professors had a distinct disdain of students using fudge factors, especially if no scientific basis was used to justify them other than to arrive at an expected answer.