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New pictures of the hole in Yamal – and Pingo was its name-o
Matt Sexton writes via our contact form:
I just wanted to share with you a story that happened to me last night. My HOA had a community potluck and someone brought up the holes that “Had suddenly begun appearing in Russia”. Thanks to your site and the story about those holes, and was able to inform him about the real facts behind what was happening there. I was a little shocked, he is an otherwise intelligent guy, but, I couldn’t believe that he had latched onto the sensational aspects of the story without reading all the facts.
Either way, I thought you would like to hear that your site has positive effects even around small time, everyday things like a HOA potluck.
– Matt
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inMAGICn says:
August 6, 2014 at 12:15 pm
First rule of WUWT knowledge:
1) There has probably been a post on the subject.
Up near the top of the right-side nav bar is a little search form. Put in oyster. The first hit is http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/21/oyster-crisis-yale-360-wwf-eco-activist-elizabeth-grossman-wrong-again-about-ocean-acidification/
Tada.
If that doesn’t work, then
2) There’s a good chance it’s been discussed in a comment.
The search tool above only looks at the main story (sometimes a feature). Use Google or something like it for searching comments.
For example, if you were curious about how many of us were around for the first Earth Day, Google |”first Earth Day” site:wattsupwiththat.com| and you’ll get a managable list.
More Google Earth:
70d 20′ N 70d 32′ E elev 198 ft.
There is a dense field of lakes, maybe 100 sq. mi. If they connect with the artesian system, it is just what you need to charge the system. North of the 4 big lakes: ozero Neyto
The problem I have with a methane eruption is, methane is only combustible in a narrow band of concentrations. And even then, the most likely source of spark would be lightning.
A sinkhole or Pingo seems more likely than a chance methane eruption.
Resourceguy @ur momisugly 1252 pm
A good resource for info on Northern Sea Route commercial shipping is http://www.arctic-lio.com
They currently show 36 ships operating there, but none having completed the transit.
I have a friend who loves to post climageddon links on facebook every … single … day.
I often come to the usual sources like WUWT, JoNova, Dr. Curry, Dr. Spencer, etc. to see what the REAL deal is.
Thank you WUWT!
So his latest “we’re doomed” article seems to be actually from a year ago… maybe he’s recycling.
“Study shows rapid retreat of Antarctic permafrost”
see: http://summitcountyvoice.com/2013/08/01/study-shows-rapid-retreat-of-antarctic-permafrost/
is there any WUWT help on this particular climatastrophy?
Wow, that H Grouse commenter here on WUWT seems to want to blame every naturally occurring event on global warming.
RHS says:
August 6, 2014 at 2:38 pm
“The problem I have with a methane eruption is, methane is only combustible in a narrow band of concentrations. And even then, the most likely source of spark would be lightning.
A sinkhole or Pingo seems more likely than a chance methane eruption.”
Researchers who actually visited the hole said there is no evidence of any scorching. The material surrounding the hole is not a debris field from any kind of explosion/eruption (it’s exposed dirt/soil/rock from an upheaval process, the same which can be seen around numerous other holes in the region). The only reason I can think of the continued peddling of the methane explanation is to try to deceive the public and tie it to “climate change”. The thing looks like some kind of pingo-sinkhole hybrid.
garymount says:
August 6, 2014 at 2:57 pm
“Wow”
Re-read my post.
Don’t think I even mentioned “climate”
WUWT is a great science site in general. As a bonus, the comments are often better than the main content at other sites.
Dave W
I must not have been paying attention in 2011. But here we are in 2014 and there is now an oyster crisis…or something.
Thanks for the tips.
Sorry Ric. Got Dave in the system.
Looks like the “absence” of upheaval signs would be because the debris collapsed back into the crater after the ice lens melted. Due to a phenomenon known as gravity – caused possibly by excess CO2 in the debris.
chris moffatt says:
August 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm
“because the debris collapsed back into the crater”
Not only did they do that, but if you look at the rim around the outside of the hole, you’ll see a lot of the debris there too. I guess that was caused by anti-gravity.
garymount says:
Wow, that H Grouse commenter here on WUWT seems to want to blame every naturally occurring event on global warming.
Which just shows you how little he knows.
Just searched Yamal in Google Earth, WOW! That place is hole city! I’d be surprised if they’re not discovering new holes every day! Each hole has turned into a lake of various size as they all eventually do. Interesting exercise.
Apparently, not many geologists/hydro geologists here….in this case, the pingo has developed in an area with subterranean drainage similar to areas that have developed in karst terrain. You had at some point this spring, enough internal structure within the pingo to maintain a small ponding of water. That internal structure was quickly removed through the subterranean drainage system and/or collapsed this summer to its current form…..
I wish I could echo all the “success stories” here … but alas, I’ve been arguing with advocates of CAGW for years and years …. and this site has armed me well …. BUT … stupidity is what it is.
So when I show them a graph that shows there’s been no warming in the last ten years .. they will post a graph starting in 1950 .. and say “is too”! When I show them the recent article that illustates how long wave to space has increased, and long wave down has decreased, they run to Skepticalscience, and point to the nonsense that goes on there.
It just doesn’t seem to matter. Of course, it is all centered in their politics, .. but then they will say I”m the political hack. Oh Well. At least I’m well informed political hack. Thanks WUWT!!
@Dale Rainwater. Deanster – when they pull up SkS, I pull up the pictures of them in their Nazi Uniforms. That cuts off that line of excuses real fast.
Perfect phil!
I will provide an anecdotal first hand witness account as to an individual with the right to vote and their the effectiveness of a publicly funded education.
The individual was recounting a publicly funded visit to an institute providing emergency medical care by a DNA relative lacking a Y chromosome during the relatives late third trimester of the human body hosting an internal parasite which possesses half of the hosts DNA.
The visitor was entering an early expulsion of the parasite prior to a level of maturity considered normal for parturition. The individual providing an account of the relatives visit carefully explained and described how the medical professionals attending the Y chromosome absent relative was raised nearly to the ceiling of the room to create sufficient separation from the floor to “be above gravity” in an effort to reduce gravities pull on the watermelon sized parasite.
This, my friends, is the level of intelligence I witness as that which is most easily swayed by the Continuing Crises News and it’s associated outlets and parrots.
Anyone remember the Pingu kids TV show? The bratty kid penguin in the antarctic. This story about pingos and the insane warmest theories makes me want to respond exactly how Pingu talked back to parents and adults. “whaa whaa!”
Check out Jacob’s Well in Texas and tell me that doesn’t look like a water filled pingo….
more soylent green Yes, to the most part it been good, but watch out when one extreme or the other tries to rule. My HOA tried to rebuild the joint golf course club house and community center. Yes it would have cost each ot us $6,000.00 dollars but to have a golf course in the development is a plus to each adjacent land owner with a addition premium for lot against the golf course was $10,000.00 dollars back then and now 25,000 plus. But the Luddites prevailed because the vote was not 50% of the lot owners but only 60% of the lot owner whom voted and that was not 50% of the lot owners so a judge threw out the vote. Fortunately the Golf association build their club house and we still have a operating gold course, time will tilll how that works out God forbid they go under and we end up with condos where once was fairways. I hope that does not happen even though both homes I own in the HOA do not abut against the golf course.
@Brian O at 6:37 pm
Each hole has turned into a lake of various size as they all eventually do.
Not necessarily. What seems to be normal is for the earth cap of a pingo to wear away, exposing the ice core to rapid melting. The hydrostatic pressures that allow for less dense ice to raise above the terrain will only allow for water to fill it to ground level or slightly below.
What is different about these holes is that, IF they were open system pingos supported by artesian spring hydrostatic pressures, the pressure in the artesian system has declined by a head of over 100 feet. The ice core lost support and fell in pulling the tundra cap with it. IF that artesian system has dropped in pressure, then many of the old pingo lakes we see in Google Earth, will loose their hydrostatic pressure and they will drain to a lower elevation.
At least it is a prediction.
Don’t even get me started…
Here in Australia the media is still blaming these events on global warming.
Three Thoughts:
1. Gordon Ford says: August 6, 2014 at 12:00 pm
>They look.like the pintos I studied in Geomorphogy back in the 1960s
Yes, Pintos explode. (I know you posted a correction…)
2. more soylent green! says: August 6, 2014 at 11:29 am
>All these polite definitions of HOA. Has nobody else ever had to deal with an HOA?
HOAs are where the Little Hitler’s get their first taste of “power”. What normal people refer to as positions of responsibility. The people in charge create and enforce rules that everyone has to follow, except for themselves and their friends. To get an exception, just volunteer for a committee for a year or two and you can build the unallowed shed, fence, etc.
3. Where is SMosher on this? He’s always trolling around defending all the whack-a-doodle CAGW cr@p.
Love,
Eric