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New pictures of the hole in Yamal – and Pingo was its name-o
Matt Sexton writes via our contact form:
I just wanted to share with you a story that happened to me last night. My HOA had a community potluck and someone brought up the holes that “Had suddenly begun appearing in Russia”. Thanks to your site and the story about those holes, and was able to inform him about the real facts behind what was happening there. I was a little shocked, he is an otherwise intelligent guy, but, I couldn’t believe that he had latched onto the sensational aspects of the story without reading all the facts.
Either way, I thought you would like to hear that your site has positive effects even around small time, everyday things like a HOA potluck.
– Matt
Thanks Matt.
more soylent green! says:
August 6, 2014 at 11:29 am
“All these polite definitions of HOA. Has nobody else ever had to deal with an HOA?”
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In the past yes so perhaps a better definition would be:
HOA: an association of home owners headed by a homeowner who was duly elected and intended to do the right thing but power went to their head and they became a spendthrift tyrant thinking that they were the sole judge & jury of all things in the entire complex.
I will never again live in a place that has one of these.
D’md auto spell, pingos not pintos.
The odd thing to me, is that the hole seems to have very steep, smooth, regular walls, and resembles a very deep well.
I can not see any explosion leaving a crater like that.
The pingo explanation doesn’t really fit that well either. It doesn’t really explain the deep, smooth “shaft” like appearance.
more soylent green! says:
August 6, 2014 at 11:29 am
The word you are looking for is hoe. As in “garden hoe” or more likely “garden variety hoe”. Urban dictionary would define it differently.
The latest here in Western Washington is our nimrod Governor whupping up a panic over “billions” of immature oysters dying off. He ascribes this to acidification of local waters due to (get ready for it) carbon dioxide. I am asking anyone who has any knowledge of any of this to respond. For the life of me, I hadn’t heard about the die-off, hadn’t read anything on acidification in the eastern Pacific, and I am basically in the dark here.
Thanks
@ur momisugly Resourceguy
August 6, 2014 at 11:26 am
Have a look at http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/home
It’s a non-military shipping tracker. There’s currently quite a bit of activity around Svalbard and Greenland but not much elsewhere in the Arctic.
Neil says:
August 6, 2014 at 11:09 am
“I really can’t see a relation to the Yamal holes and the images in the Pingo article. Is there a better source of information that would clearly demonstrate this?”
They look like garden – variety sinkholes to me, like the ones that occasionally swallow houses in Florida.
Give yourself another pat! While mine was not a potluck, I had a similar experience and calmly told the other guy that Pingo was its name-o!
@Andrew
Thanks. That may include fishing vessels though, not exactly sea lane material. Some Barents Sea oil development may also show up.
inMAGICn: Cliff Mass Weather Blog has an excellent rebuttal to our state Gubnah Jay “I Will Impose a Carbon Tax Within My Tenure” Inslee’s assertion that a change in atmospheric CO2 (since onset of the Industrial Age) estimated at +/- 000.012% – has caused our local PNW waters to turn into oyster-killing “acid”:
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2013/11/coastal-ocean-acidification-answering.html
Try using this as a rebuttal to those oyster-chowder heads that scream “Acid! Acid! The Puget Sound is turning to Acid!” in your ear (as well as through the local news sources) as the warmistas/carbon dioxidians attempt to sway those “low-information” types (that are still unfortunately registered to vote in yesterday’s elections – even though the tide appears to be slowly turning locally on that front) into believing a miniscule change in the apparent concentrations of atmospheric CO2 can cause all manner of ills!! even killing those poor, defenseless baby oyster spat!!!
@neil
On that wikipedia page, check out reference 11 ‘ Holmes, William. “Pingos in Central Alaska”. United States Government Printing Office.’
Check out the pictures on pages H28/H29.
Check some of the other references too.
More on the HOA theme.
When my grandson was learning to speak, his great joy was to hear Santa go – Ho! Ho! Ho!
With him sitting on my lap I entered “Santa’s Ho” into an internet search engine.
Bad idea!
I demonstrated CO2 in the atmosphere using a bag of rice. Told the guests present that the bag held 10,000 grains of rice. Removed 4 – CO2 in atmosphere. Attempted to cut one grain into 12
pieces – 1 piece human contribution. Applause. Denialist grade?
I wholeheartedly agree. The reference pages are a great tool against the warmist propaganda.
Of course we all know that the artesian pressure that caused this pingo is totally due to the fraking going on in the gas field 30 km away. /sarc
Oh thank heavens its not just ME philjourdan! I sing that stupid song every time I see the word pingo!
*For those who are lucky enough to have never heard/been forced to sing the song-
“There was a farmer had a dog and BINGO was it’s name-o…B…I…NGO…B…I…NGO….B…I…NGO and Bingo was it’s name-o.”
Repeat again but remain silent when it’s time to sing “B”….then again and remain silent during the “B” and the “I”…..repeat until all letters are silent or until you rig a noose for yourself and kick out a chair. *
Our HOA gets a bad rap, but does a great job. Of course the first thing we did was HIRE an HOA manager who would get fired if the books don’t balance, the community is not maintained, etc. Poor man deserves more than we can afford to pay him to deal with some of the “H.O.”s that’s for sure!
inMAGICn says:
August 6, 2014 at 12:15 pm
The latest here in Western Washington is our nimrod Governor whupping up a panic over “billions” of immature oysters dying off. He ascribes this to acidification of local waters due to (get ready for it) carbon dioxide. I am asking anyone who has any knowledge of any of this to respond. For the life of me, I hadn’t heard about the die-off, hadn’t read anything on acidification in the eastern Pacific, and I am basically in the dark here
Not exactly a field of personal expertise but, as I recall from a previous sortee into this topic some time back, the pH of coastal waters, particularly in your area, are dominated by upwelling deep ocean waters which are lower PH.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1916.html
Microbial biogeochemistry of coastal upwelling regimes in a changing ocean
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/features/upwelling-crisis-ocean-acidification
Both of these are full of the usual overwrought BS(Bad Science) about the oceans becoming more “corrosive”. Of course what most of these babblers choose to attempt to conceal is that for pH a value of 7 is the zero point. Values that move away from 7 to the low side become more acidically “corrosive”, while values that move from 7 to the upside become more “corrosive” as they move toward Lye at the upper extreme, but this would imply that as pH moves from 8.2 to 8.1 it is actually becoming less “corrosive”.
For those not familiar with the, er, joys of a Home Owners’ Association (HOA, otherwise known as the gathering place of the local control freaks/obsessive compulsives), a humorous treatment is given in the movie “Over the Hedge” (ostensibly a kids movie, but works for those of us in our second childhood too 🙂 ).
Granted, HOAs can be really helpful (no purple, pink, fluorescent green, or gunmetal grey houses in the neighborhood…), but also can be a bit of a pain (your front lawn is 1/2 inch too high, you must trim it NOW) (yep, it did happen….). YMMV or YHOAMV…
Give yourself another pat from the southern tip of darkest Africa !
My daughter had read in our local newspapers about the Yamal hole and asked me about it . Bingo Pingo !!I I read out the WUWT info and she was impressed . Thanks , WUWT
Yes, it is a great resource. Thank you, Watts.
I am a lucky man. I am 80 years old and never got trapped into attending a HOA Potluck. But, if luck turns, I will take a large platter of glazed Pingo Holes as my contribution.
@John Coleman – They are not as tasty as donut holes. 😉
Thank you, Michael and Dave.
This oyster thing was on the front page of the Daily Olympian on 8/4. The whole thing caught me off guard. I was unaware of the “crisis.”
Woah, woah, woah! You mean to tell me this blog isn’t strictly about climate change? It’s about any kind of trivia that “we” would find puzzling?
Also, I agree that this site is an excellent source of references. It’s funny that for all the AWG sites out there, they contain virtually no facts. At this site, everything is referenced and the reference page keeps growing over time.
pingo, dome-shaped hill formed in a permafrost area when the hydrostatic pressure of freezing groundwater causes the upheaval of a layer of frozen ground.
(reference: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/461054/pingo )
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Notice that in the very center of the hole that appeared in Yamal….
http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/huge-crater-discovered-yamal-peninsula.png
Has a noticeable ABSENCE of an “upheaval”
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@Ric Werme at 11:41 am
The terrain looks very flat, so that would make artesian water flow unlikely, and would be the only way water could cause something like that to happen in days.
Look at the video still from
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/18/new-pictures-of-the-hole-in-yamal-and-pingo-was-its-name-o/
There is a creek that I think must be the drain away from the Pingo’s summer melt. It starts narrow, and fans out in the distance. I take this to mean that the Pingo is on a monocline and is not flat. I have yet to see Lat and Long for the any of the holes.
I found Facilities for Bovanenkovo at 70 12.5′ N 68 50′ E, elevation 50-60 ft. If you go 20-30 miles from this point, you can see similar terrain NE, SE, and SW. SW as the smoothest terrain but it is more than 30 km away.
But to your point about artesian systems and pressure, the highest elevation I can find in Google Earth in the neighborhood is 240 feet, with many places in the 30-50 ft elevation. So an artesian system is possible, but I grant you it is a stretch. If the hole is at 150 ft, there is not much terrain above it to drive an artesian spring. But if the hole is at 30 ft, you have the head needed to drive a spring, but today the water level would have to be below sea level — a possibility if Gazprom has been pumping hard, but it is a strike against the artesian system theory.
SE high point: 165 ft at 70 05′ N 69 31′ E
NE high point 220 ft at 70 43′ N 70 07′ E
SW high point 152 ft at 60 42′ N 67 41′ E
These are not possible hole locations, but the high points to drive an Artesian system.