The central climate fallacy is that the unknowns are known

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

What is science for? Its end and object is to stretch out a fumbling hand for the truth by a humble and eternally-unsatisfied attempt to constrain uncertainties.

The scientific method is hungry curiosity, followed by acute observation, followed by careful measurement, followed by the meticulous application of pre-existing theory to the results, followed by the detailed drafting and reviewed publication of a hypothesis, followed by other scientists’ attempts to overturn the hypothesis, which is either discarded or slowly accorded credence to the extent that it has survived the process of error elimination.

In the physical sciences, absolute proof – which mathematicians call demonstration – is very seldom available. In mathematics, the art that is the language and the queen of the sciences, demonstration is more often available, particularly in number theory, the branch of discrete mathematics that concerns itself chiefly with the integers. Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, said Kronecker. Alles übrige ist Menschenwerk.

One of the reasons why the Thermageddonite superstition has been so successful until recently is that just about the only formal demonstration that nine-tenths of the population recall – and even then hazily – is that in the Euclidean and hyperbolic planes the square (or semicircle) on the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares (or semicircles) on the other two sides.

Now, the problem with the theorem of Pythagoras is that it is unquestionably true. For those who agree with the philosopher Schopenhauer that Euclid’s demonstration is “a triumph of perversity”, here is the admirably clear proof by dissection attributed to the fifth-century Hindu mathematican Aryabhatta.

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However one looks at the theorem, the wretched thing is objectively true. There are hundreds of distinct demonstrations of it. It is true whether or not you or I or anyone else wants it to be true or believes it to be true or knows it to be true. In the language of theology, it is intrinsice honestum. It is right in itself.

I submit that it is the theorem of Pythagoras that has allowed the Thermageddonites to succeed when, scientifically speaking, they should simply have been laughed at.

For the truth of that venerable theorem has misled generations who have been given some acquaintance with the sciences but little or none with the philosophy of science into believing that every scientific finding is definitive, unalterable, unchallengeable and unquestionable.

Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt. But what has not been established is the crucial quantitative question how much warming we may cause.

That simple fact has been relentlessly and artfully concealed from the population, who have been sedulously deluded into believing that “the science is certain” and that anyone who questions how much warming we may cause is by implication also challenging the well-established experimental results showing that greenhouse gases cause warming.

It is worth briefly considering the how much question – or, as the climate scientists call it, the question of climate sensitivity.

In response to my recent posting pointing out that on the RSS satellite record there has been no global warming for 17 years 10 months, a commenter, one Stacey, asked:

“Please could you … demonstrate the actual climate sensitivity in respect of the last 30 years due the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere? My guess is that it’s zero. :-)”

“Stacey” is adopting a sound, scientific approach, beginning with that vital first step: curiosity. Socrates used to say that the first step on the road to knowledge was an awareness of one’s own ignorance. And what is curiosity, the wellspring of the sciences, if not an awareness of one’s own ignorance coupled with a determination to do something about it?

“Stacey” offers the hypothesis, that climate sensitivity to CO2 over the past 30 years has been zero, and asks whether she is right.

So let us examine the hypothesis. We begin with the observation that in the climate there appear to be quasi-periodicities of about 60 years in global temperature – roughly 30 years’ tendency to warm followed by 30 years’ tendency to cool – and that these cycles are tied to, and may be caused by, the great ocean oscillations, of which the most influential seems to be the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

Therefore, in order to cancel these naturally-occurring cycles, it is necessary either to take periods that are multiples of 60 years in length or to take periods that straddle a phase-transition from one 30-year phase of the PDO to another.

Usefully, the most recent phase-transition in the PDO was in about the year 2000, so that the past 30 years will have been about equally influenced first by a warming phase of the PDO and then by a cooling phase. That removes the most obvious potential natural distortion of our attempt to determine climate sensitivity from what has actually occurred.

Next, measurement. How much global warming was there in the past 30 years? For this, we shall take the mean of the global mean surface temperature anomalies on all five principal datasets – GISS, HadCRUT4, NCDC, RSS, and UAH.

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We now make the assumption, for the sake of beginning somewhere, that all of the global warming over this 30-year period was attributable to us.

As the CO2 record on the chart shows, CO2 concentration rose by 54 ppmv over the 30-year period. We shall assume that all that increase in concentration was anthropogenic. If so, official theory suggests it caused 0.78 Watts per square meter of radiative forcing.

We shall also assume that over the period CO2 represented 70% of all anthropogenic forcings, so that the total anthropogenic forcing was 1.11 Watts per square meter. This assumption is derived from the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report.

We shall further assume that none of the warming was committed but unrealized warming from before 1984, or that, if there was some, it was approximately balanced by uncommitted warming generated over the 30-year period but not yet apparent in the temperature record.

Now we can divide the measured temperature change of 0.48 Cº by the total anthropogenic forcing of 1.11 Watts per square meter to obtain the transient-sensitivity parameter λt where t = 30 years, which is 0.43 Cº per Watt per square meter.

However, the instantaneous, Planck or zero-feedback sensitivity parameter λ0, which is the mean of the first derivatives across all latitudes of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer at the characteristic-emission altitude, where incoming and outgoing radiative fluxes balance, is just 0.31 Cº per Watt per square meter (IPCC, 2007, p. 631 fn.).

Next, some handy equations, that you will not find in most textbooks, will help us to determine the system gain Gt, the closed-loop feedback gain gt, and the feedback-sum ft directly from the Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and the transient-sensitivity parameter λt:

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The transient system gain Gt, which is the factor by which the direct warming from anthropogenic forcings is multiplied to allow for the action of feedbacks over the 30-year period, is simply 0.43 / 0.31, or 1.39, showing that short-acting feedbacks have increased the direct warming by almost two-fifths.

The loop gain gt, which is the product of the sum of the short-acting feedbacks and the Planck parameter, is 1 – 0.31/0.43, or 0.28.

Then the feedback sum ft, the sum of all short-acting feedbacks over the period, is 1/0.31 – 1/0.43, or 0.9 Watts per square meter per Celsius degree of warming over the period.

The IPCC’s current central estimate is that at equilibrium, when all short-acting and long-acting feedbacks have acted, the feedback sum is just 1.5 Watts per square meter per Cº (IPCC, 2013, table 9.43, red dot at top right). This is a substantial reduction from the 2.1 Watts per square meter per Cº (blue dot at top right) central estimate implicit in IPCC (2007).

From that current estimate of the equilibrium feedback-sum f, which is the sum of all feedbacks acting over the thousands of years till the climate has established a new equilibrium following perturbation by a forcing, the equilibrium system gain G may be determined, using the Bode system-gain equation:

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From the Bode equation, the equilibrium system gain G is [1 – 0.31(1.5)]–1, or 1.87. In short, the IPCC’s current implicit central estimate is that feedbacks increase the direct forcing-driven warming by seven-eighths.

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The central estimate of Charney sensitivity implicit in the IPCC’s current central estimate of the feedback sum is given by

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Thus, the IPCC’s current central estimate of Charney sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration ought to be (5.35 ln 2)(0.31)(1.87), or 2.1 Cº. So the 3.2 Cº that is the current central estimate of the CMIP5 model ensemble is too big by at least half.

The eventual warming as a result of the anthropogenic forcings of the past 30 years will be (1.11)(0.31)(1.87) = 0.64 Cº, of which 0.48 Cº, or three-quarters, has already occurred, leaving just 0.16 Cº warming committed but unrealized over the period. Yet the IPCC says there is about four times that amount of committed but unrealized warming in the pipeline.

Now, all that is set out above is mainstream climate science. It is possible that we caused some of the warming of the past 30 years. It is possible, though by no means certain, that we caused at least half of it.

Why, then, can we not be more precise in deriving a climate-sensitivity estimate from the temperature change and CO2 concentration change we have seen over the past 20 years?

The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.

In 2001 the IPCC said it was 66% confident we had caused most of the warming since 1950; in 2001, 90% confident; in 2013, 95-99% confident. All of these confidence values are direct lies. For there is no dataset from whose values any such supposed confidence levels can be determined by any recognizable statistical process.

It is a measure of the contempt in which today’s scientific elite holds the rest of the population that the IPCC, as the elite’s soi-disant spokesman on climate change, could have made and persisted in and doubled down upon these particular lies. It knows it can get away with them, for scientists have abdicated, forfeiting their high priesthood to far-left politicians and profiteering environmental protection rackets.

We do not know enough about the climate to say in what direction, let alone by how much, the climate would be changing in the absence of any anthropogenic influence. We do not know the forcing from CO2 or any other greenhouse gas to a sufficient precision. The official value of the CO2 forcing was cut by a massive 15% in 2001.

We do not know the value of the Planck parameter to any great precision. We thought we did: then the actual mean surface temperature of the Moon was measured, and was found to be 40% adrift from the official value that had been determined on the basis of the lunar sensitivity parameter, and had been confidently published on official government websites.

We do not know what fraction of manmade warming is attributable to each of the greenhouse gases. We do not know the magnitude or even the sign of the forcing from our emissions of soot to the atmosphere.

We certainly do not know the values of the individual temperature feedbacks to anything like the narrow error bars falsely claimed by the IPCC. We do not even know the sign of the cloud feedback, and the IPCC has recently been forced to reduce the value of that feedback drastically.

Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.

We cannot predict the behavior of the oceans – indeed, we cannot even measure changes in their heat content with sufficient resolution to give a meaningful result.

We cannot predict el Niño and la Niña events. Look how many enviro-left news media predicted a record-busting event this year. They predicted it because they wanted it.

They needed it, desperately, to bring the Great Pause to an end and reduce the humiliation that the less dishonest among them are beginning to feel now that the laymen like me at whom they have viciously snapped and sneered for so long are – so far, at any rate – closer to the mark than they and their expensive but useless models.

For it would take only a very small reduction in each of the assumed values on the basis of which the IPCC makes its predictions to reach a climate sensitivity far less than the models’ currently-claimed central estimate of 3.2 Cº per CO2 doubling. And there are powerful theoretical reasons why some of those values must have been greatly overstated, though there is no space to consider them here.

My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that. The IPCC is heading – albeit far too slowly – towards the same answer. It has cut the CO2 forcing; it has accepted that the next-biggest anthropogenic forcing, from methane, has been vastly overestimated; it has slashed the feedback-sum and consequently the equilibrium system gain; it has all but halved its near-term predictions of global warming.

However, the honest answer to Stacey’s question about what climate sensitivity is indicated by the temperature record of the past 30 years is, “We do not know”.

But you will never hear that honesty on the lips of the Thermageddonites, as they furtively and profitably cement in place the last of the thousand interlinked supranational bureaucracies that are the silent sinews of what – if they get their way in Paris in December next year – will be an all-powerful world government founded upon the greatest lie ever told, the lie of certainty in a cloud of unknowing, elected by none, loved by few, feared by all, and answerable only to itself.

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August 4, 2014 2:40 am

Richard Verney:
You are right. A laboratory vessel is not the earth’s atmosphere and cannot duplicate natural processes yet most of those who call themselves skeptics accept the flawed assumption that the results of the vessel can be straightforwardly applied to the real thing. Hence the idea that the absorbency spectrum of CO2 will somehow assert an effect on climate, sooner or later.
Monckton is one such skeptic. His comment about Pythagorian absoluteness shows that he understands

Konrad
August 4, 2014 2:53 am

Monckton of Brenchley says:
August 3, 2014 at 11:21 pm
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Viscount Monckton,
firstly, thank you for taking the time to write responses to so many of the commentators on this thread.
However, again I would urge you to have a care when responding to those who challenge the idea of a NET radiative GHE and calling them “slayers”. This is little better than referring to sceptics as “holocaust deniers”. There are few “slayers” left, as most at WUWT were “false flag” and little energy remains for these games in the dying days of the hoax. All that we are left with are a few sad “sleepers” hoping to keep sceptics on the lukewarmer path so as to engineer a “less than we thought” soft landing.
As to your 255K claims, I say crap! I work in engineering, not science. I am an empiricist, not a mathematician. Maths is not physics. Math can model physics, but it can also model the non-physical. And this is just what you (and 97% of climastrologists ) have done. I am an empiricist. You are a mathematician. But this is a question of physics. Therefore you can never defeat me. Ever.
Have you personally measured the emissivity of water with background IR minimised? No, you haven’t, but I have –
http://i61.tinypic.com/24ozslk.jpg
– Guess what? With background dropped to -40C, apparent emissivity of water at 40C drops to below <0.8. ( you ain't in the running Christopher, nowhere close )
But is the IR emissivity of water being lower than UV/SW absorptivity all of the picture? No. As I have empirically demonstrated many times –
http://oi61.tinypic.com/or5rv9.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/zn7a4y.jpg
– depth of UV/SW absorption matters. It matters a lot.
Viscount Monckton, If you wish to defeat me, you need to be a better empiricist than me. And that would be challenging the barriers of physical impossibility.
Just how good do you think you are, mathematician?

August 4, 2014 3:04 am

Fumble fingers me back to finish my comment.
Monckton shows his awareness of the pitfalls of treating theory as absolutes, as in his very apt Pythagorean allusion. Yet he is not yet at the point where he is ready to question the theoretical application of the absorbency spectrum of CO2 to the earth’s atmosphere. In other words, he hangs on the lip of his understanding.
I think eventually he will remember that Arrhenius was not Pythagoras and come to see the fruitlessness of pitting theory against observations in the case of CO2.

August 4, 2014 3:15 am

One thing we do know that CO2 causes: http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/what-a-coincidence/
USHCN adjustments.

August 4, 2014 3:21 am

mpainter says:
August 4, 2014 at 3:04 am
I have come to a similar conclusion. Sensitivity CO2 = 0.00 deg C/doubling is my best current estimate.

August 4, 2014 3:27 am

richardscourtney says:
August 4, 2014 at 1:16 am
Some think the WMDs in Iraq were shipped to Syria. So the information could be good on Monday and useless by Friday. The question then is: did those making the statements know they were no longer true?

August 4, 2014 3:33 am

richard verney says:
August 4, 2014 at 12:44 am

Monckton of Brenchley says:
August 3, 2014 at 3:49 pm
The sl**ers seem to be out in farce again. Mr Verney asks what proof exists that greenhouse gases cause warming. I refer him to any elementary textbook of heat transfer.
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… I would go on to suggest that the reason for that is that we simply do not know what other things are, nor to what extent each of these other things is in play at any given moment of time, and we are therefore unable to establish whether in the real world environs of the atmosphere of planet Earth, CO2 has any measurable input on temperature. Given that it appears that CO2, on all time scales, lags temperature, it does not look that promising that the release of CO2 drives warming as you assert. i am not going as far as saying that the lag proves that it does not, since the data sets are unfit for purpose and do not lead to informed knowledge or understanding.

You state “Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.” and this may lie at the crux of the issue since it may well be the case, in say 30 or 40 years time, when we have a better state of knowledge and understanding of things, that it is shown that the climate is governed almost exclusively by non-radiative transports and that radiative transports play an all but insignificant role.
I do not make any prediction of the future climate, but even die hard warmists such as Julia Slingo are suggesting that there may be no resumption to warming before 2030. If that is how matters pan out, by that time about 80% of all manmade CO2 emissions will have been released during which period no warming will have taken place, such that I predict that in 2030 not only will there be a significant reassessment of Climate Sensitivity suggesting a low sensitivity), but also a reassessment of the very foundations on which GHG theory is based. One reason behind a low sensitivity may be that there are fundamental flaws with the very theory itself.

I was taught approximately 40 years ago that “… there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.” In fact, I was taught in college that these transports plus the density of the atmosphere caused by gravity were the “main drivers” of our climate. I am saddened to discover that some here would call anyone who is skeptical of today’s dominate theory of climate a “Sl**yer” and asked that they be banned or closely watched. If (a big if I hope) we reach the point where Richard Verney’s very scientific skepticism is seen as disruptive to this site — then I see no reason for the site to pretend to be scientific.
I echo a point made today. The fact we know that CO2 has an absorption ban and can demonstrate that in a high school level experiment does not in any way tell us what CO2 does in our Earth’s atmosphere on NET. What is the net effect of going from 350 ppm to 400 ppm? I don’t know but all evidence suggests that whatever the effect is it is darned small. Vanishingly small.
Note: I held my beliefs decades before this very site made me aware that there was a group of people who are called “sl**yers”. I don’t think any post that mentions that name should be automatically tossed into the moderation bin. I hope Lord Monckton was exempt from that whey he wrote the word without the stars in it.

August 4, 2014 3:34 am

“Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt”
So why the ZERO temperature rise in 17+ years despite significant CO2 rises??? This is the stark evidence of reality that rejects this “must warm” conjecture. It really is about time this luke-warmist *assumption* was dropped, as that’s all it is, an assumption. It is wholly unscientific.
CO2 absorbs IR in 2 main and 1 narrow band, and once it has absorbed that, it does what any other gas does, as it has to obey the laws of physics, it spontaneously re-emits that energy on collision with cooler molecules as it rises through the atmosphere under convection currents. It cannot ‘trap’/’hold’/’store’ that energy, i.e. it cannot ‘decide’ to retain it. CO2 also has zero reaction to all other IR bands, even if the CO2 concentration were 100%.

bobl
August 4, 2014 3:40 am

Lord Monckton,
A point or two…
Like the IPCC you fail to consider energy conversions, energies absorbed in conversion of heat and light to motion ( especially wind and rain ) , chemical bonds (as in photosynthesis), lightning, sound, water waves, entropy through melted ice, weathered stone, every grain of sand moved by a thermally driven wind, even vitamin D in our skin produced by the interactions of cholesterol and sunlight.
Sometimes these are neglected because the energy conversion losses are considered to be small, but I ask you to consider that a 2m swell contains 36 KW per square meter of wavefront, almost 30 times the total incident sunlight at midday and fully 60,000 times the supposed imbalance of energy of 0.6W per square meter driving global warming. Unless one knows the fraction of water waves/motion that is thermally driven, I don’t see how any conclusion can be drawn about energy balance and therefore sensitivity. It not just about temperature, it’s about energy. These are potentially huge unknowns that you don’t mention.
Secondly, I would respectfully ask you to consider the following.
It is known that the absorbtion bands at which CO2 operates are 85 odd percent saturated, IE that they are 85% opaque, and though disputed, scientists tell us that the earths surface is about 33 degrees above that for a theoretical blackbody at 1 AU.
From this we can make a relation, if we ascribe all the 33 degree warming to CO2 (and of course ignore the gas law and half of physics in doing so) We can say that ( assuming a linear relationship – I think worst case ) CO2 would cause 33/85 = 0.38 degrees of warming per %energy intercepted, and further that no more than 15 x (33 / 85) or 5.8 degrees could be expected even if we had a CO2 atmosphere. If we allow for real physics and therefore greenhouse gasses to only provide say 10 degrees of the 33 degrees then that projection is reduced to say 2 degrees of warming, for the last 15% of energy available to cause warming. Given the number of doublings required to reach that sort of saturation, one must conclude that sensitivity to C02 has to be much less than 1 degree per doubling.
While this has a lot of flaws ( for example energy to temperature is NOT a simple linear relationship , it would be expected that more warming would occur at low saturations and less at high) I think however that this simple analysis OVERSTATES sensitivity to energy at this point. It’s a bounds test I use. A sensitivity higher than about 0.5 degrees per doubling is inconsistent with the effect of greenhouse gasses overall in insulating our world. This simple boundary test also establishes a hard limit to CO2 warming or no more than 5.8 degrees – ever.
Could I ask you to dwell on this a bit.
Thank you
Bob.

Chris Wright
August 4, 2014 3:41 am

“Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt. But what has not been established is the crucial quantitative question how much warming we may cause…..”
Christopher, you also stated that you believe that a CO2 doubling would give one degree of warming.
All the evidence e.g. the ice cores strongly suggest that CO2 has zero effect on the climate. Yes, I’m quite sure it has a warming effect in the laboratory of about one degree. I’m quite sure that the basic physics that predicts one degree is correct. But the climate system is completely different. So, what empirical evidence do you have that a doubling will give one degree of warming in the climate system? What historical data shows that a step change in CO2 was followed by a corresponding step change in temperature as predicted by AGW?
We know that a warmer world probably always has more atmospheric CO2, because the oceans emit more as they warm up. As far as I’m aware, no data with sufficient time resolution has ever shown that the CO2 change occurred before the temperature change.
With this in mind, my default belief (I hate the word ‘belief’, as it smacks of religion, but it’ll have to do) is that the sensitivity is effectively zero. But I’m completely open to any actual proof for a higher sensitivity.
I think the explanation for the modern warming is extremely simple:
The modern warming was caused by exactly the same thing that caused the warming during the MWP. And the Roman period. And the 1500 BC warming.
And like those warmings, the modern one had essentially nothing to do with CO2. By the way, of those warmings, quite likely the modern one is the smallest, despite the extra CO2.
If you think the sensitivity is one degree in the climate system (as opposed to the basic physics), please show me the empirical evidence to support that.
Many thanks for all your work!
Chris

MattN
August 4, 2014 3:52 am

Its been well over 30 years now since we first attempted to quantify climate sensitivity. Billions and Billions of dollars later, untold amounts of computing power used, literally tens of millions of man-hours consumed, we don’t have any more of a clue what the climate’s sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 is than we did when we started.
We got to the moon in less time once we got serious about it.

August 4, 2014 3:56 am

Sirs (Monckton & Watts), to outright reject evidence and argument against your “must warm” conjecture because it doesn’t fit with your belief is behaviour as unacceptable as Mann’s and Schmidt’s etc. The automatic labelling and dislike of anyone you even hint at considering ‘slayers’ really needs to stop. To shut down any thread of argument is standing in the position of ‘argument from authority’, something coming from the thermageddonites you have so long fought against. It also says you have the answer to the exclusion of all other, which I’m sure you would acknowledge simply isn’t the case.

richardscourtney
August 4, 2014 3:56 am

M Simon:
As I see it, your reply at August 4, 2014 at 3:27 am adds emphasis to my point at August 4, 2014 at 1:16 am.
Richard

August 4, 2014 3:59 am

Konrad says:
Viscount Monckton, If you wish to defeat me, you need to be a better empiricist than me. And that would be challenging the barriers of physical impossibility.
Now that’s confidence! I don’t know if it’s justified. But it made me LOL. ☺

Samuel C Cogar
August 4, 2014 4:03 am

H Grouse says:
August 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Wait a minute (or 17+ years) , how about these “instruments?”
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What instruments? Are you losing it ….. or already lost it?
I did not see any instruments on that graph that you provided a link to ….. nor did I see any mention of any instrument on said.
HA, in 17 years you should be able to learn how to use a dictionary …. iffen you get started today.

Bloke down the pub
August 4, 2014 4:09 am

‘We shall further assume that none of the warming was committed but unrealized warming from before 1984, or that, if there was some, it was approximately balanced by uncommitted warming generated over the 30-year period but not yet apparent in the temperature record.’
M’Lud, shouldn’t that be committed warming?

August 4, 2014 4:30 am

In answer to ilma630, the freedom to comment here is a privilege, not a right. If anyone wants to comment here, he or she must do so in accordance with the rules, which include a prohibition on “slayers” (that is what they call themselves), who try to deny, in the teeth of the evidence, that there is any such thing as the greenhouse effect.
That vexatious, futile and time-wasting denial of what theory, observation and measurement amply confirm plays (and may well be intended to play) into the hands of those who brand climate skeptics as “deniers” of true science.
Maundering on about the supposed non-existence of the greenhouse effect is also off topic, and gums up threads such as this, to the exasperation of all who join the conversation here.
The slayers have their own website where they can invent and debate mad theories all they want: but, if they want to be taken seriously here, they must first convince a reputable scientific publication, by way of peer review, that what they maintain has some shred of scientific plausibility. As things stand, the notion that there is no such thing as a greenhouse effect was adumbrated by Joseph Fourier two centuries ago; was confirmed by the measurements of Tyndall and of Stefan, and of countless confirmatory experiments since, including the attenuation over time of long-wave emissions from the Earth’s surface in CO2’s principal absorption bands; and the theoretical demonstration by Boltzmann of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer, first derived experimentally by Stefan.
The basic theory has been repeatedly demonstrated not only on Earth but in numerous celestial bodies, and has been quite thoroughly explained in quantum theory. The only area of legitimate discussion is the likely magnitude of the enhanced greenhouse effect under today’s conditions, which was the subject of the head posting.
Yes, the Thermageddonites accuse climate skeptics of denying basic science: but they do this because, thanks to the poisonous and deliberately disruptive efforts of the “slayers”, we are bracketed and branded with their invincible ignorance. So, if you want to debate the imagined absence of the greenhouse effect, just try to get your notions into a scientific journal, and, when the journal rejects your notions, go and moan about it at the “slayers'” website.

hunter
August 4, 2014 4:33 am

I believe that history will show two central fallacies sustaining the failed paradigm of dangerous climate change. The first will be the gullibility of people to confuse basic science with ideas about how those ideas behave specifically. The second will be the endless appetite of far too many people to believe scary end of the world stories.

August 4, 2014 4:38 am

In answer to Chris Wright, in the absence of temperature feedbacks there is unlikely to be much warming above 1 Celsius degree per doubling of CO2. But, though there are so many other processes influencing the climate that one cannot altogether rule out a zero sensitivity, the irreducibly simple climate model I have developed (it is now out for review) indicates that 1 Celsius degree per CO2 doubling is likely to be nearer the mark. There are so many unconstrainable uncertainties that it is possible we shall never know precisely what the warming effect of a change in CO2 concentration is: however, by the end of this century it will be evident to all that sensitivities as high as the CMIP5 models’ 3.2 C per doubling are extravagantly implausible.
From the policy perspective, a zero warming is the same as 1 C-per-doubling warming: both are non-problems, and neither requires any mitigative action. For this and other reasons, I am disinclined to argue about whether equilibrium sensitivity is 0, 1 or 2 degrees. All these are much of a muchness. Above 2 degrees, the climatic effects might become noticeable, but even then they would be unlikely to do much more harm than good.

Dan
August 4, 2014 4:40 am

“there has been no global warming for 17 years 10 months”
Your graph clearly shows 0.48 degrees warming over the 30 year period.
This therefore suggests that the global warming over the period 1984 to 1997, was 0.48 degrees, or 3.7 degrees per century.
Now that is some very significant warming.
Do you have any information on the breakdown of the causes for such a rapid temporary increase in global temperatures?

Hoser
August 4, 2014 5:00 am

Rereading the title, I realize you were talking about something we need to keep in mind.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/27/many-climate-reconstructions-incorrectly-attributed-to-temperature-change/#comment-1515224
“And there are unknown knowns, the things we think we know, but actually don’t…. Aren’t we discussing a great collective lie, and a great crumbling example of an unknown known?”
It’s an important extension of Rumsfelds list (from the same post):

“… there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don’t know.”

August 4, 2014 5:56 am

“Bobl” says I ignore several matters, including the ocean waves, which are caused not by global warming but by the wind and the tides. The principal climatically-interesting non-radiative transports are evaporation and convection upward, advection sideways, and precipitation and subsidence downward. Other influences no doubt exist, but they are ill constrained. There is far too much guesswork in the climate game, and there are far too few facts.

August 4, 2014 5:57 am

Monckton the main point of my 3:59pm comment was to try to get you and everyone else to widen your perspectives and include consideration of the quasi- millennial cycle in your calculations- see the resulting cooling forecasts at :
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html

H Grouse
August 4, 2014 5:59 am

Samuel C Cogar says:
August 4, 2014 at 4:03 am
“What instruments?”
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Spencer at UAH uses a different set of satellites than RSS

August 4, 2014 6:04 am

“Dan” appears confused. A warming of 0.48 C over 30 years is equivalent to 1.61 C over 100 years, as shown on the graph, not the 3.7 C he suggests. One cannot simply subtract the 17 years and 10 months of no warming at the end of the 30-year period and thus obtain a trend of 3.7 C. The actual trend on the period from July 1984 to October 1996 is equivalent to 1.67 C/century equivalent, and the effect of the long period without warming is to bring that trend slowly down to its present 1.61 C/century equivalent over the past 30 years.

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