The law of unintended consequences in action: Imagine replacing all CO2 emissions with H2O emissions

electrolysis catalyst
Image: Tewodros Asefa A new technology based on carbon nanotubes promises commercially viable hydrogen production from water.

This story, while technically correct, made me chuckle, especially in light of a tweet today by Mashable warmist Andrew Freidman, who was complaining about heat and humidity in NYC. Just think about what it would be like if all those taxis and private vehicles were emitting H2O (as water vapor). – more below.

Rutgers Chemists Develop Technology to Produce Clean-Burning Hydrogen Fuel

New catalyst based on carbon nanotubes may rival cost-prohibitive platinum for reactions that split water into hydrogen and oxygen

NEW BRUNSWICK – Rutgers researchers have developed a technology that could overcome a major cost barrier to make clean-burning hydrogen fuel – a fuel that could replace expensive and environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

The new technology is a novel catalyst that performs almost as well as cost-prohibitive platinum for so-called electrolysis reactions, which use electric currents to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The Rutgers technology is also far more efficient than less-expensive catalysts investigated to-date.

“Hydrogen has long been expected to play a vital role in our future energy landscapes by mitigating, if not completely eliminating, our reliance on fossil fuels,” said Tewodros (Teddy) Asefa, associate professor of chemistry and chemical biology in the School of Arts and Sciences. “We have developed a sustainable chemical catalyst that, we hope with the right industry partner, can bring this vision to life.”

Asefa is also an associate professor of chemical and biochemical engineering in the School of Engineering.

He and his colleagues based their new catalyst on carbon nanotubes – one-atom-thick sheets of carbon rolled into tubes 10,000 times thinner than a human hair.

Finding ways to make electrolysis reactions commercially viable is important because processes that make hydrogen today start with methane – itself a fossil fuel. The need to consume fossil fuel therefore negates current claims that hydrogen is a “green” fuel.

Electrolysis, however, could produce hydrogen using electricity generated by renewable sources, such as solar, wind and hydro energy, or by carbon-neutral sources, such as nuclear energy. And even if fossil fuels were used for electrolysis, the higher efficiency and better emissions controls of large power plants could give hydrogen fuel cells an advantage over less efficient and more polluting gasoline and diesel engines in millions of vehicles and other applications.

In a recent scientific paper published in Angewandte Chemie International Edition, Asefa and his colleagues reported that their technology, called “noble metal-free nitrogen-rich carbon nanotubes,” efficiently catalyze the hydrogen evolution reaction with activities close to that of platinum. They also function well in acidic, neutral or basic conditions, allowing them to be coupled with the best available oxygen-evolving catalysts that also play crucial roles in the water-splitting reaction.

The researchers have filed for a patent on the catalyst, which is available for licensing or research collaborations through the Rutgers Office of Technology Commercialization. The National Science Foundation funded the research.

Asefa, an expert in inorganic and materials chemistry, joined the Rutgers faculty in 2009 after four years as an assistant professor at Syracuse University. Originally from Ethiopia, he is a resident of Montgomery Township, N.J. In addition to catalysis and nanocatalysis, his research interests include novel inorganic nanomaterials and nanomaterials for biological, medical biosensing and solar cell applications.

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The process described above is certainly better and less energy intensive than steam methane reforming (STR) which produces over 100 million tons of hydrogen worldwide every year.

I wrote a paper in college on the topic of replacing gasoline with hydrogen – it seemed a sensible idea then. Now, not so much.

For those that don’t know or don’t recall, the chemical reaction for combusting hydrogen is:

combusting_h2

The result of the reaction is water and heat released from combustion, the H2O, unless condensed and trapped, will exit as water vapor into the atmosphere.

When ranked by their direct contribution to the greenhouse effect, the most important greenhouse gas compounds are:

Compound Formula Contribution

(%)

Water vapor and clouds H

2O

36 – 72%
Carbon dioxide CO

2

9 – 26%
Methane CH

4

4–9%
Ozone O

3

3–7%
Source: Kiehl, J.T.; Kevin E. Trenberth (1997). “Earth’s annual global mean energy budget” (PDF). Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 78 (2): 197–208.  doi:10.1175/1520-0477(1997)078<0197:EAGMEB>2.0.CO;2

The contribution of water vapor ranges far higher than that of CO2.

Imagine in a hyrdogen powered economy, millions of vehicles emitting water vapor from tailpipes instead of CO2.

H2-exhaust

The panic over temperature from water vapor emissions, which can be double to triple the heat trapping capacity of Carbon Dioxide, would be quite something to watch.

On the plus side trapping H2O is a lot easier than trapping CO2, though in automobiles, would require carrying around all that waste water of combustion, and dumping it when you fuel up, something I have yet to see dealt with in the various Hydrogen powered combustion engines I’ve looked at. Fuel cell systems do better, since they don’t produce much in the way of water vapor, but water is dumped onto the road just the same, where it will evaporate.

Note that this fueling station recently in the news has no provision for waste-water capture:

Linde starts production line for fuel-cell car filling stations

(Reuters) – German industrial gases maker Linde opened what it said was the world’s first production line for hydrogen fueling stations on Monday, in a bid to boost support networks for eco-friendly cars.

Fuel-cell cars, which compete with electric and hybrid vehicles in a race to capture environmentally conscious drivers, use a stack of cells that combine hydrogen with oxygen in the air to generate electricity.

Their only emissions are water vapour and heat, but the technology has been held back by high costs and lack of infrastructure. Fuel-cell cars will go on sale starting at $70,000, and filling stations cost over $1 million to build.

On the back of commercial launch announcements by Toyota and Hyundai and demand in Japan, Linde started up a production facility with an initial annual capacity of 50 stations a year. Until now, it has built them one by one.

The company announced an order for 28 stations from Japanese gas trading company Iwatani, which put the first of its Linde stations into operation near Osaka on Monday, the first commercial hydrogen fueling station in Japan.

We live in interesting times.

From Wikipedia, the criticism of hydrogen powered cars is broad:

In 2008, Wired News reported that “experts say it will be 40 years or more before hydrogen has any meaningful impact on gasoline consumption or global warming, and we can’t afford to wait that long. In the meantime, fuel cells are diverting resources from more immediate solutions.”[82] The Economist magazine, in 2008, quoted Robert Zubrin, the author of Energy Victory, as saying: “Hydrogen is ‘just about the worst possible vehicle fuel'”.[83] The magazine noted that most hydrogen is produced through steam reformation, which creates at least as much emission of carbon per mile as some of today’s gasoline cars. On the other hand, if the hydrogen could be produced using renewable energy, “it would surely be easier simply to use this energy to charge the batteries of all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles.”[83] The Los Angeles Times wrote in 2009, “Any way you look at it, hydrogen is a lousy way to move cars.”[84] The Washington Post asked in November 2009, “[W]hy would you want to store energy in the form of hydrogen and then use that hydrogen to produce electricity for a motor, when electrical energy is already waiting to be sucked out of sockets all over America and stored in auto batteries…?”[85]

The Motley Fool stated in 2013 that “there are still cost-prohibitive obstacles [for hydrogen cars] relating to transportation, storage, and, most importantly, production.”[86] The New York Times noted that there are only 10 publicly accessible hydrogen filling stations in the U.S.[59] Volkswagen’s Rudolf Krebs said in 2013 that “no matter how excellent you make the cars themselves, the laws of physics hinder their overall efficiency. The most efficient way to convert energy to mobility is electricity.” He elaborated: “Hydrogen mobility only makes sense if you use green energy”, but … you need to convert it first into hydrogen “with low efficiencies” where “you lose about 40 percent of the initial energy”. You then must compress the hydrogen and store it under high pressure in tanks, which uses more energy. “And then you have to convert the hydrogen back to electricity in a fuel cell with another efficiency loss”. Krebs continued: “in the end, from your original 100 percent of electric energy, you end up with 30 to 40 percent.”[87] Cox wrote in 2014 that producing hydrogen “is significantly more carbon intensive per unit of energy than coal. Mistaking fossil hydrogen from the hydraulic fracturing of shales for an environmentally sustainable energy pathway threatens to encourage energy policies that will dilute and potentially derail global efforts to head-off climate change due to the risk of diverting investment and focus from vehicle technologies that are economically compatible with renewable energy.”[6]

The Business Insider commented:

Pure hydrogen can be industrially derived, but it takes energy. If that energy does not come from renewable sources, then fuel-cell cars are not as clean as they seem. … Another challenge is the lack of infrastructure. Gas stations need to invest in the ability to refuel hydrogen tanks before FCEVs become practical, and it’s unlikely many will do that while there are so few customers on the road today. … Compounding the lack of infrastructure is the high cost of the technology. Fuel cells are “still very, very expensive”.

UPDATE: another unintended consequence I had not considered – leakage. Keeping Hydrogen gas from leaking is quite a problem due to the molecular size being the smallest. This comment sums it up:

Les Johnson says:

well, using H2 would solve the global warming issue, just not the way intended.

Replacing all auto fuel, and assuming a 10% leakage at surface, H2 will cause global COOLING, by tripling stratospheric moisture, plus destroy the ozone by hydroxyls chemistry…

This is disputed by Warwick 2004, but I find a 1% loss rate of hydrogen to be extremely low. We have 10% to 20% loss rates, per day, of liquid N2. And liquid H2 has a much lower temperature.

This has references to both papers, page 3.

http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/12/19371/2012/acpd-12-19371-2012-print.pdf

http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12405.html

he adds later in a second comment:

This is the Tromp et al 2006 paper that shows that hydrogen leakage woul dbe very detrimental.

http://scholar.google.ca/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ri8A4awAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ri8A4awAAAAJ:pqnbT2bcN3wC

Abstract:

The widespread use of hydrogen fuel cells could have hitherto unknown

environmental impacts due to unintended emissions of molecular hydrogen, including an

increase in the abundance of water vapor in the stratosphere (plausibly by as much as∼ 1

part per million by volume). This would cause stratospheric cooling, enhancement of the

heterogeneous chemistry that destroys ozone, an increase in noctilucent clouds, and

changes in tropospheric chemistry and atmosphere-biosphere interactions.

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kenw
July 14, 2014 2:27 pm

Obviouosly this is a plot by Big Water.

Ken Hall
July 14, 2014 2:29 pm

Isn’t water vapour 20 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2? Wouldn’t that be bad? MmmmKay?

Merrick
July 14, 2014 2:32 pm

Nice chemical formula.

rabbit
July 14, 2014 2:35 pm

Journalists seem to love printing these “scientific breakthrough” stories, but if even a hundredth of them panned out then our energy problems would have been solved long ago.

July 14, 2014 2:36 pm

What is the energy balance for the equation?

Barium
July 14, 2014 2:38 pm

This article is hilarious. Water vapor does not have nearly the same lifespan in the atmosphere as CO2 or methane; it’s on the order of days vs. 10s or 100s of years. The contribution of water vapor, emitted from vehicles, would be miniscule (do you have any idea how much water evaporates from the oceans every day?) I’m not saying H2 is the fuel of the future, but let’s get the science right (or at least tell the whole story).
REPLY: No disputing water vapor has a shorter lifetime than CO2, but if it is actively being cycled into the air locally and continuously, the effects will be an increased local humidity. I think you missed the premise at the beginning from the complaint by Freedman – imagine all that extra water vapor in a city like New York. It will have an effect.
It is well known that the heat capacity of air is dramatically higher when it is more humid. Overnight temperatures are significantly affected, which is why deserts have such wide diurnal range in temperature, due to such low water vaopr capacity.
DESERTS ARE COLD AT NIGHT: Because of the lack of water in the ground, and little water vapor in the air, most deserts can get quite cool at night. This is because (1) dry ground does not retain as much heat as moist ground, and (2) water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas, so dry air allows the surface to cool rapidly at night through loss of infrared radiation to outer space.
In fact, it has been calculated that the Sahara Desert actually loses more infrared radiation than it gains solar radiation from the sun. This net loss of radiant energy is balanced by the sinking air over the desert, which warms as it is compressed.
Source: http://www.weatherquestions.com/Why_are_deserts_so_hot.htm
So, increased humidity will mean warmer nights…especially in cities where the concentration of H2O producing vehicles would be high.
-Anthony
addendum: For water molecules the overall average is believed to be 9–10 days.
references:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/residence_time.aspx
http://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/water-cycle
That is certainly enough time to affect local city climate with increased humidity.

Les Johnson
July 14, 2014 2:38 pm

well, using H2 would solve the global warming issue, just not the way intended.
Replacing all auto fuel, and assuming a 10% leakage at surface, H2 will cause global COOLING, by tripling stratospheric moisture, plus destroy the ozone by hydroxyls chemistry…
This is disputed by Warwick 2004, but I find a 1% loss rate of hydrogen to be extremely low. We have 10% to 20% loss rates, per day, of liquid N2. And liquid H2 has a much lower temperature.
This has references to both papers, page 3.
http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/12/19371/2012/acpd-12-19371-2012-print.pdf
http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12405.html

July 14, 2014 2:39 pm

Anth0ny:
Hydrogen is an explosive fuel which is difficult to contain. Minor crashes could be disastrous.
Richard
[It leaks straight through steel pipe walls also. And through welds. And everything else. .mod]

Gamecock
July 14, 2014 2:40 pm

Oxygen is extremely corrosive. Plans to split water to get hydrogen never mention what they are going to do with the oxygen.

kenw
July 14, 2014 2:43 pm

Barium says:
July 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm
This article is hilarious. Water vapor does not have nearly the same lifespan in the atmosphere as CO2 or methane; it’s on the order of days vs. 10s or 100s of years. The contribution of water vapor, emitted from vehicles, would be miniscule (do you have any idea how much water evaporates from the oceans every day?) I’m not saying H2 is the fuel of the future, but let’s get the science right (or at least tell the whole story).
Do you have any idea how miniscule the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is?

cnxtim
July 14, 2014 2:46 pm

All fuels must pass a simple ROI test WITHOUT the distortion of government imposed subsidies and taxes.

TedL
July 14, 2014 2:47 pm

If we start using hydrogen gas in quantity we will see leakage at all the transfer points – production, transportation, delivery – just like natural gas. Unlike natural gas hydrogen is a much smaller molecule and leaks much more easily. It is lighter than air, which means it will rise through the atmosphere until it reaches the stratosphere where it will find the ozone layer. Ozone is highly reactive – the hydrogen will react with the ozone forming water vapor – simultaneously depleting the ozone and creating a stratospheric clouds of ice crystals, which I believe has the potential to change the Earth’s albedo, with a whole bunch of unintended consequences.

TRM
July 14, 2014 2:47 pm

Thanks for citing your source for the percentages. I’ve never seen one for water vapor that low. The usual range is 60-90% of the greenhouse effect.
Even the 36-72% range given by Trenbreth if correct is such a huge range that one has to wonder about the validity of CO2. All about the feedbacks I guess.

TedL
July 14, 2014 2:50 pm

Les Johnson says:
July 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm
well, using H2 would solve the global warming issue, just not the way intended.
Looks like Les has the same concern with much better documentation!

John M
July 14, 2014 2:51 pm

Correct reaction is
H2 + 1/2 O2 = H2O
or
2H2 + O2 = 2 H2O
Also, fossil fuels make plenty of H2O when they burn. Have to do the math on a per-kJ basis though.
[noted – the equation was a general one for layman, but to be absolutely accurate, it has been updated -Anthony]

Alan Robertson
July 14, 2014 2:52 pm

Burning any hydrocarbon fuel releases H2O.

Les Johnson
July 14, 2014 2:56 pm

This is the Tromp et al 2006 paper that shows that hydrogen leakage would be very detrimental.
http://scholar.google.ca/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ri8A4awAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ri8A4awAAAAJ:pqnbT2bcN3wC

July 14, 2014 3:00 pm

Author needs to fix the equation. It should be 2H2 + O2 –> 2H2O + heat.
[done long before your comment -refresh -mod]

Brian
July 14, 2014 3:01 pm

I have a perfect solution. Instead of compressing H2, let’s form it around another molecule, where it is easily compressed and dispensed for combustion with air… Like C. Then, two H2 molecules can form around C and take up less space. Even more, try it with C-C-C which can store four H2 molecules. Old diesel engines could be recycled to use the new, eco-frendly H2 molecule formed with green energy (wind, solar; essentially, weather-power). Input weather power and CO2, output the new C-C-C plus four H2, and the oxygen liberated from the CO2 will help the combustion process.

July 14, 2014 3:02 pm

A presentation on hydrogen as a fuel from June 2014 made many if the points raised above.
Hydrogen from electrolysis is not economic, no matter what catalyst is used. There are basic thermodynamic issues.
See http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/hydrogen-from-nuclear-power-plants.html

July 14, 2014 3:02 pm

Barium says:
July 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm
The contribution of water vapor, emitted from vehicles, would be miniscule (do you have any idea how much water evaporates from the oceans every day?)

1. What does this have to do with the warming effect of output water versus output CO2? Let me ask you a direct question. Would you rather have all CO2 emissions be converted into H2O emissions?
2. Yes, we know how much H2O exists in the air from natural sources. That’s why many of us believe that the amount of CO2 being emitted isn’t definitively material.

July 14, 2014 3:03 pm

While natural gas fired power plants produce about half the CO2/MWh compared to coal they produce twice as much water vapor. That’s why NG fired CCPP use lower heating value so they don’t have to count that water vapor heat loss in the stack.

Tom J
July 14, 2014 3:04 pm

‘The researchers have filed for a patent on the catalyst, which is available for licensing or research collaborations through the Rutgers Office of Technology Commercialization. The National Science Foundation funded the research.’
Now wait just a gosh darn minute here! Shouldn’t the taxpayers, who funded this research courtesy of the NSF, partake of at least a wee portion of the royalties if the patent proves successful? What are the taxpayers; chopped liver? It may surprise many people that the lightning rods in use to this very day (to protect our structures from lightning strikes) were designed way back then by Benjamin Franklin (who will probably disappear from our new enlightened American history books). Last time I checked Franklin hadn’t applied to the NSF for a grant through which to pursue the invention of those rods. And he never patented them since he felt that something of important benefit to society should be readily available to all. Now, despite Franklin’s wonderful example with which to follow, I certainly wouldn’t belabor our intrepid researchers for choosing to patent their invention. But, not when they’ve invented it with my damn money.

Rhoda R
July 14, 2014 3:06 pm

I did some research on hydrogen as a fuel when I first heard about it and one of the factors that hasn’t been mentioned yet is that engines running on hydrogen operate at a much higher temperature than engines running on fossil fuels. I lost my source for that info in a house fire so I cannot provide a link at this point.

July 14, 2014 3:06 pm

Electricity will power our future cars quite nicely – the only missing ingredient is a practical battery and I think Japan Power Plus’s cotton battery, due to begin rigorous testing by a Japanese race car company in August, will prove that the battery can do it all. The only issue is likely to be cost – perhaps not a lot cheaper than current li ion batteries, although that may change, since the
components of the battery appear to be fairly cheap and plentiful. Hydrogen has too many
negative issues and is a very complicated way to (basically) use electricity to power the vehicle.

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