Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
A look at Gleissberg’s famous solar cycle reveals that it is constructed from some dubious signal analysis methods. This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely.
Back in the 1940s, a man named Wolfgang Gleissberg was studying sunspot cycles. To do so, in his own words, he introduced a new method, viz:
When I introduced the method of secular smoothing into the study of the variations of sunspot frequency (GLEISSBERG, 1944) I published a table containing the secularly smoothed epochs and ordinates of sunspot minima and maxima which I had deduced from the data published by BRUNNER in 1939. Since then, secular smoothing has proved to be one of the principal methods for investigating the properties of the 80-year cycle of solar activity (cf. RUBASHEV, 1964).
Figure 1. SIDC sunspot data, along with the “best-fit” sine wave for each cycle length from 40 years (orange, in back) to 120 years (blue, in front). Heavy black and heavy red horizontal sine waves show respectively the strength of the 80-year “Gleissberg Cycle” and the 102-year maximum-amplitude cycle.
This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely. One source says:
In different studies the length of the period of the secular variation was determined to be equal to 95 years, 65 years, 55 years, 58 years, 83 years, 78.8 years, 87 years [Siscoe, 1980; Feynman and Fougere, 1984]. That situation is understandable, because the longest record of direct observations of solar activity was and still is the sunspot numbers which provides more or less reliable information since 1700 (see below). That gives one only 300 years of time span by now which encompasses ~3.4 periods of Gleissberg cycle which is quite low for its statistical analysis.
So what was Gleissberg’s “secular smoothing” method that he “introduced” in 1944? Well, it turns out to be a simple 1-2-2-2-1 trapezoidal filter … but one which he employed in a most idiosyncratic and incorrect manner.
Let’s start, though, by looking up at Figure 1. It shows the three centuries of sunspot data in black, along with actual best fit sine waves in color, year by year, for each cycle length from forty years (colored orange, in the back) to one hundred twenty years (colored blue, in the front). Of particular interest are the 80-year cycle proposed by Gleissberg (heavy wavy horizontal black line), and the largest long-term cycle, which is 102 years in length (heavy wavy horizontal red line). As you can see, the 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is not distinguished in any way.
So … does this mean that in fact there is a 102-year cycle in the sunspot data? Well, no. We still only have data enough for three 102-year cycles. And in natural data, that’s not very reliable. The problem is that nature appears to be chaotic on all timescales, so I’m not trusting the 102-year cycle to stick around. But in any case … just how did Gleissberg get to his 80-year number? Therein lies a tale …
First, Gleissberg decided that what we’re looking at in Figure 1 is an amplitude modulated signal. So he figured he only had to deal with the envelope of the signal, which looks like this:
Figure 2. Envelope of the sunspot record shown in color. As an aside, it turns out to be a curiously tricky algorithm that is needed to identify true maxima, or true minima.
Having gotten that far, he threw away everything but the envelope, leaving only the following information:
Figure 3. Envelope only of the sunspot record, maximum envelope shown in red, minimum envelope shown in blue.
And that poor misbegotten stepchild of a once-proud record was what he analyzed to get his 80-year cycle … sorry, just kidding. That would be far too simple. You see, the problem is that when you look at that envelope data in Figure 3, there are no evident long-term cycles in there at all. It’s just not happening.
To get around the minor issue that the data has no obvious cycles, Gleissberg applies his whiz-bang “secular smoothing” algorithm to the maximum and minimum envelope data, which gives the following result. Remember, there are no obvious cycles in the actual envelope data itself …
Figure 4. Result of “secular smoothing” of the maxima and minima envelopes of the sunspot data. Dotted vertical line marks 1944, the year that Gleissberg introduced “secular smoothing” to the world.
And voilá! Problem solved.
The big difficulty, of course, is that smoothing data often creates entirely specious cycles out of thin air. Look at what happens with the maximum envelope at 1860. In the original maximum data (light red), this is a low point, with peaks on either side … but after the filter is applied (dark red), it has magically turned into a high point. Smoothing data very commonly results in totally factitious cycles which simply do not exist in the underlying data.
There are a couple of other problems. First, after such a procedure, we’re left with only 24 maximum and 24 minimum datapoints. In addition, they are strongly autocorrelated. As a result, whatever conclusions might be drawn from Gleissberg’s reduced dataset will be statistically meaningless.
Next, applying a trapezoidal filter to irregularly spaced data as though they were spaced regularly in time is a big no-no. A filter of that type is designed to be used only on regularly spaced data. It took me a while to wrap my head around just what his procedure does. It over-weights long sunspot cycles, and under-weights short cycles. As a result, you’re getting frequency information leaking in and mixing with your amplitude information … ugly.
Finally, if you read his description, you’ll find that not only has he applied secular smoothing to the amplitudes of the maxima and minima envelopes. Most curiously, he has also applied his wondrous secular smoothing to the times of the maxima and minima (not shown). Is this is an attempt to compensate for the problem of using a trapezoidal 1-2-2-2-1 filter on irregularly spaced data? Unknown. In any case, the differences are small, a year or so one way or the other makes little overall difference. However, it likely improves the (bogus) statistics of the results, because it puts the data at much more regular intervals.
CONCLUSIONS:
First, the method of Gleissberg is unworkable for a variety of reasons. It results in far too few datapoints which are highly autocorrelated. It manufactures cycles out of thin air. It mixes frequency information with amplitude information. It adjusts the time of the observations. No conclusions of any kind can be drawn from his work.
Next, is the 80-year cycle described by Gleissberg anywhere evident in the actual sunspot data? Not anywhere I can find. There is a very wide band of power in the century-long range in the sunspot data, as shown in Figure 1. However, I don’t trust it all that much, because it changes over time. For example, you’d think that things would kind of settle down over two centuries. So here’s the first two centuries of the sunspot data …
Figure 5. As in Figure 1, but only the earlier two centuries of the sunspot data.
Note that in the early data shown in Figure 5, there is very little difference in amplitude between the 80-year Gleissberg cycle, and the 95-year maximum amplitude cycle. You can see how Gleissberg could have been misled by the early data.
Now, let’s look at the latter two centuries of the record. Remember that this pair of two-century datasets have the middle century of the data in common …
Figure 6. As in Figure 5, but for the latter two centuries of the data.
In this two-century segment, suddenly the maximum is up to 113 years, and it is 2.5 times the size of the 80-year Gleissberg cycle.
In none of these views, however, has the 80-year Gleissberg cycle been dominant, or even noteworthy.
Please note that I am NOT saying that there are no century-long cycles, either in the sunspot data or elsewhere. I am making a careful statement, which is that to date there appears to be power in the sunspot data in the 95-120 year range. We can also say that to date, the power in the 80-year cycle is much smaller than anything in the 95-120 year range, so an 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is highly unlikely. But we simply don’t have the data to know if that power in the century-long range is going to last, or if it is ephemeral.
Note also that I am saying nothing about either 80-year Gleissberg cycles, or any other cycles, in any climate data. This is just the tip of the Gleissberg. So please, let me ask you to keep to the question at hand—the existence (or not) of a significant 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot data as Gleissberg claimed.
Finally, if you are talking about e.g. a 85 year cycle, that’s not a “pseudo-80 year cycle”. It’s an 85 year cycle. Please strive for specificity.
My best wishes to all,
w.
Claimer (the opposite of “disclaimer”?): If you disagree with anything I’ve written, which did actually happen once a couple years ago, please quote the exact words that you disagree with. Often heated disagreements stem from nothing more than simple misunderstandings.
Data: The adjusted SIDC data is available as SIDC Adjusted Sunspots 1700 2012.csv . In accordance with the advice of Leif Svalgaard, all values before 1947 have been increased by 20% to account for the change in sunspot counting methods. It makes little difference to this analysis
Sparks and Henry –
And the proposed physical mechanism is? Unstated.
And the evidence is? A hand-crafted “statistical-sequencer-free” unlabeled orange curve and a blue curve!
Numerology and astrology BS. Not even entertaining.
@Bernie Hutchins
it is quite simple really, the mechanism,
I will share with you that I know that a lower solar field strength allows more of the shortest wave radiation (UV-C) to escape from the sun, which react TOA to form ozone, peroxides and nitrogenous oxides. In turn, the increase in these compounds TOA deflect more sunlight to space. This is basically how the wolf-gleiszberg cycle works. Paradoxically, a somewhat “brighter”-, “lighter” sun, such as we are experiencing now, causes cooling on earth. It is a defense system that earth has, to stop UV-C reaching earth./
So the important graph to watch is this one here:
http://ice-period.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sun2013.png
Now, if you or anyone can tell me or guess what the next 44 or 46 years of that graph will look like, you are on your way to understand a big (important) part of the climate, as witnessed in the tables 2 and 3 here:
http://virtualacademia.com/pdf/cli267_293.pdf
best wishes
Henry
Henry –
As you well know, I was NOT asking about the physics/chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, but rather the mechanism by which Uranus apparently controls the Sun!
But, seriously, never mind. You did remove any remaining doubt I might have had!
@Bernie
yet the correlation is clearly there,
if both William Arnold and myself noticed it….
We know (from my own results, at least) that the turning point is 1972 (from warming to cooling)
and 2016 (from cooling to warming) and we know Saturn and Uranus were opposite each other 7 years earlier. If I have seven such points with 100% correlation, no co-incidence possible,…
especially not even counting the work of William Arnold.
I have at least 5 other phenomena as supporting evidence, among which, of course, the increase in ozone.
as to how the switch actually works, I still have to figure that one out;
it seems like some sort of electromagnetic pull, switched by a slight difference in gravitation.
(I am not forgetting of course, that the sun is about 99.7 % of all the weight in the entire solar system. That gives me something to think about during my holidays)
Any ideas from commenters here?
I am missing my last comment here @Bernie?
anyway, @Bernie
what is your forecast on
http://ice-period.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sun2013.png
clearly Bernie has left us
thinking he is too clever for mere mortals like us….
However, now that I have come to start to think about it, and maybe some of you as well (what happened to Sparks?)
namely, about the fact that even though the weight of the planets is small compared to that of the sun, we would have to add the force of the speed that they are rotating around the sun, to that of their actually weight, wouldn’t we?
just asking.
HenryP said May 21, 2014 at 11:13 am in part.
“…..yet the correlation is clearly there,….”
Ah – someone forgot to write on the top of your exam “Show All Work”.
HenryP also wrote:
“….as to how the switch actually works, I still have to figure that one out; it seems like some sort of electromagnetic pull, switched by a slight difference in gravitation. ….”
Oh my goodness! It’s worse than I had supposed.
Henry – I have to stop. I have never been sure what “feeding the troll” meant but I think I may be doing it.
Thanks for your time – can I have my time back !
@Bernie
good
you are so clever!\
I really admire you for not making any prediction!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/17/the-tip-of-the-gleissberg/#comment-1642534
HenryP says:
May 21, 2014 at 6:09 am
Well, let’s see … the last Saturn-Uranus opposition was November 4, 2008. Their synoptic period is 43.364 years. That gives us the following list of dates when “the lever in or on the sun” gets switched:

1788
1834
1879
1924
1970
2015
Those are crucial dates in the history of the sun because of … because the … because they mark … well, they are crucial dates because HenryP says so. I know of no big things that happened on the sun in any of those years. Here you go …
Color me unimpressed.
So at least there is some good news. However, I found at least one more of you who figured this one out, because I note that these dates are crucial for the stock market as well … at least if you follow the Astro Trading web site …
Finally, Bernie is right when he says you need to explain the physical process by which far distant planets could have some effect on the luminosity/sunspots/magnetism etc. of the sun.
The explanation is made very hard by the fact that in free-fall, the only discernible gravitational effects are the tides … and the size of the tide on the sun which is raised by the gravity of Uranus is a tiny fraction of a millimetre of rise and fall. You’ll have to explain how that makes the slightest difference.
Yes, “tidal locking” is a real phenomenon, see the moon-earth system as an example, or sun-mercury system. And in close to their parent bodies, there are clear resonant phenomena in e.g. the rings and moons of Saturn.
But that’s where the tidal forces are large, where tides are metres in swing, not hundredths of a millimetre. Note that the only planet that is tidally locked is Mercury. Note further that Uranus is fifty times further from the sun than Mercury. Finally, note that tidal forces fall off as the cube of the distance … so the sun’s tidal forces on Uranus are only 0.000008 as strong as on Mercury.
And even over billions of years, those forces have been too weak to tidally lock any planet but Mercury, the nearest planet to the sun …
In short:
1. We know of no physical mechanism by which the opposition of Saturn and Uranus could cause the effects you postulate, and in any case,
2. Per the graph above, the oppositions of Saturn and Uranus seem to have no effect at all on the sunspot cycles.
Best regards,
w.
PS: Even if you get past 1. and 2. immediately above, you still have a further hurdle:
3. There is no clear 11-year cycle in any of the climate datasets.
HenryP, my suggestion would be to take your work over to Tallbloke’s. There, people stand ready to tell you that the Saturn-Uranus synoptic cycle is sooo last century, and how modern numerology concentrates on half the Jupiter-Saturn synoptic cycle, 9.3 years … but at least they won’t point and laugh like I do. I know it’s unmannerly, but really, Henry, on my planet your claims are just astrology in a new guise … and they won’t tell you that over at Tallbloke’s.
henry@anyone interested
here is my work
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
@willis
you keep on coming to me with SSN when I (and others) keep telling you that SSN is just a waste of time. It does not tell you what actually happens.
Why don’t you tell me exactly what you predict for the next 44-46 years on this graph
http://ice-period.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sun2013.png
?
Astrology is regarded as a sin, by most of us (Christians)
in case you did not know.
Henry says
It (SSN) does not tell you what actually happens.
Henry says
(apart from assuming eyesight 20/20)
To give you an example as to why SSN is useless, how do you define the degree of “darkness” of a spot? Have you got a colourmeter on that?
So please, if anyone comes to me with SSN again, I am going to scream!!!!
HenryP says:
May 21, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Thanks, Henry. Clearly, sunspots don’t tell us what actually happens here on the earth. If they did, we’d see 11-year cycles in climate variables … but we don’t.
However, since sunspots are the subject of the post, that’s what I thought you were referring to.
I predict that the climate is chaotic, and that anyone who tries to forecast it given our current state of knowledge will fail badly.
Then why on earth are you practicing astrology so assiduously? There is no more evidence that the timing of the Saturn-Uranus opposition affects climate than there is that it effects human beings. You are most definitely practicing astrology, my friend. It’s weather astrology, not natal sign astrology or Babylonian astrology, and it’s astrology just the same—the belief that via no known mechanism, the oppositions and conjunctions of the planets affect affairs on the earth. Astrology by definition.
Seriously, HenryP. If there were a scrap of evidence for the physical mechanism linking the opposition of Saturn and Uranus to the climate, you might be able to persuade yourself that it might be science.
But without that, what you are doing is absolutely astrology, not distinguishable in any way from linking the opposition of Saturn and Uranus to the current state of world affairs or to the stock market.
Heck, above, I cited a web site that links the opposition of Saturn and Uranus to the stock market. That’s market astrology, and it’s no different from your weather astrology.
You get your own interpretations, HenryP, but not your own facts. Astrology is the belief that by no known or explainable mechanism, the oppositions and conjunctions of the planets affect affairs here on the earth. Astrology. Hang on, let me look it up:
You claim that the position of the planets influences weather events on earth … and without a physical mechanism to explain that, by definition, it’s just weather astrology.
Knowing that, as a Christian you have two choices. Either come up with the mechanism, or give up the astrology.
All the best,
w.
willis says
However, since sunspots are the subject of the post, that’s what I thought you were referring to.
henry@willis
I think wolf and gleissberg worked together and they must have compared ssn with weather phenomena.
They would have found some correlation but not the accurate dates when change-over occurs. The paper from yousef must have history and is compiled from previous papers who borrowed again from previous people.working on this, etc
http://virtualacademia.com/pdf/cli267_293.pdf
If Gleiszberg were a good scientist he would never build his theory on one set of data.
William Arnold picked up on the Hale cycle and was able to give an indication as to how the switch actually works.
http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/cycles-astronomy/arnold_theory_order.pdf
Independent to all of them, even not knowing about them at the time, I did my own investigation for the drop in in the speed maximum temperatures. I had a high correlation on the 2 binomials (>0.995) which allowed me to determine the top and bottom of the wave, namely 1972 (top) and 2016 (bottom). That is 44 years, exactly two Hale cycles and a half Gleissberg cycle.
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/
Now, you say: I predict that the climate is chaotic, and that anyone who tries to forecast it given our current state of knowledge will fail badly…..
You disappoint me. I thought you were clever.
Knowing what I know, and assuming I am right, don’t you see the two Hale cycles from 1972 in this graph?
http://ice-period.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sun2013.png
So, you can draw binomials from the dead stop top and bottom (1972) and you will see that we reach the bottom of the field strengths somewhere around 2016. Now, tell me what the next two Hale cycles will look like on this graph?
(I am trying to spoon feed you now)
@Willis
……..
so, there has to be switch that moves us to start to increasing solar polar strength
it just happens to be that that switch always occurs 7 -8 years after Saturn – Uranus opposition, but it would include the balance of (weight/force) of the whole solar system. Clearly the sun and planets are an integrated system.
the timing could be purely co-incidental, and has nothing to do with astrology, but clearly some have already noticed the disasters coming from prolonged low solar field strengths. I did not know about this until you informed me about such link existing with (pure) astrology.
so, yes, I predict that something strange will happen in 2015 or 2016 on the sun. Maybe the poles switch over again?
Bernie Hutchins and Willis Eschenbach.
You are both using very unfair derogatory remarks by trying to suggest that people are involved in astrology and numerology as if they were some sort of mystic rolling chicken bones in hat or what ever mystics get up to. I would be equally unimpressed if someone called anyone of you a ‘climate denier’ inferring that you are akin to a ‘Holocaust denier’.
Astronomers study astronomical events and record these events and their timing to gain an understanding of the processes involved, they then mathematically plot these observations looking for patterns and possible relationships.
Looking at Willis’s graph above it shows a period of timing known as a ‘planetary beat’ obviously several observations of an event such the “Saturn-Uranus opposition” doesn’t tell us very much in regard to a relationship with the sun or even what influence Uranus and Saturn has on each other for that matter.
I wonder if Willis could use his method to discover a planet? absolutely not! Although the methods that astronomers use are able to workout astronomical relationships and actually have been field tested and proven and they have been used to discovered planets even without physically observing them, for example the planet Neptune was mathematically predicted before it was directly observed.
It’s my opinion that discussions involving aspects of astronomy should be treated with a little more regard, and hopefully some of these ‘shouting matches’ can be avoided.
All the best 🙂
(Don’t have me come back here!) 😛
MODS I have a post which contains the ‘D word’ in moderation, Its not used as an insult. are you able to retrieve it or should I repost without it? thanks in advance!
Sparks said in part May 22, 2014 at 2:51 pm:
“…..Astronomers study astronomical events and record these events and their timing to gain an understanding of the processes involved, they then mathematically plot these observations looking for patterns and possible relationships. …”
I hope Sparks would agree that astronomers do not just “look for patterns”. (Astrologers and numerologists look for patterns as a solitary goal.) Astronomers (as scientists) look for patterns that are consistent with well-described physical laws, or else they know they must take responsibility for providing extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims.
Sparks also said in part May 22, 2014 at 2:51 pm:
“….Looking at Willis’s graph above it shows a period of timing known as a ‘planetary beat’ obviously several observations of an event such the “Saturn-Uranus opposition” doesn’t tell us very much in regard to a relationship with the sun or even what influence Uranus and Saturn has on each other for that matter. …”
Do you means the graph Willis posted Mar 21, 2014 at 1:02 pm?
Isn’t Willis saying there that that does NOT work? What are you disagreeing with?
Please elaborate on your comment.