Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
A look at Gleissberg’s famous solar cycle reveals that it is constructed from some dubious signal analysis methods. This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely.
Back in the 1940s, a man named Wolfgang Gleissberg was studying sunspot cycles. To do so, in his own words, he introduced a new method, viz:
When I introduced the method of secular smoothing into the study of the variations of sunspot frequency (GLEISSBERG, 1944) I published a table containing the secularly smoothed epochs and ordinates of sunspot minima and maxima which I had deduced from the data published by BRUNNER in 1939. Since then, secular smoothing has proved to be one of the principal methods for investigating the properties of the 80-year cycle of solar activity (cf. RUBASHEV, 1964).
Figure 1. SIDC sunspot data, along with the “best-fit” sine wave for each cycle length from 40 years (orange, in back) to 120 years (blue, in front). Heavy black and heavy red horizontal sine waves show respectively the strength of the 80-year “Gleissberg Cycle” and the 102-year maximum-amplitude cycle.
This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely. One source says:
In different studies the length of the period of the secular variation was determined to be equal to 95 years, 65 years, 55 years, 58 years, 83 years, 78.8 years, 87 years [Siscoe, 1980; Feynman and Fougere, 1984]. That situation is understandable, because the longest record of direct observations of solar activity was and still is the sunspot numbers which provides more or less reliable information since 1700 (see below). That gives one only 300 years of time span by now which encompasses ~3.4 periods of Gleissberg cycle which is quite low for its statistical analysis.
So what was Gleissberg’s “secular smoothing” method that he “introduced” in 1944? Well, it turns out to be a simple 1-2-2-2-1 trapezoidal filter … but one which he employed in a most idiosyncratic and incorrect manner.
Let’s start, though, by looking up at Figure 1. It shows the three centuries of sunspot data in black, along with actual best fit sine waves in color, year by year, for each cycle length from forty years (colored orange, in the back) to one hundred twenty years (colored blue, in the front). Of particular interest are the 80-year cycle proposed by Gleissberg (heavy wavy horizontal black line), and the largest long-term cycle, which is 102 years in length (heavy wavy horizontal red line). As you can see, the 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is not distinguished in any way.
So … does this mean that in fact there is a 102-year cycle in the sunspot data? Well, no. We still only have data enough for three 102-year cycles. And in natural data, that’s not very reliable. The problem is that nature appears to be chaotic on all timescales, so I’m not trusting the 102-year cycle to stick around. But in any case … just how did Gleissberg get to his 80-year number? Therein lies a tale …
First, Gleissberg decided that what we’re looking at in Figure 1 is an amplitude modulated signal. So he figured he only had to deal with the envelope of the signal, which looks like this:
Figure 2. Envelope of the sunspot record shown in color. As an aside, it turns out to be a curiously tricky algorithm that is needed to identify true maxima, or true minima.
Having gotten that far, he threw away everything but the envelope, leaving only the following information:
Figure 3. Envelope only of the sunspot record, maximum envelope shown in red, minimum envelope shown in blue.
And that poor misbegotten stepchild of a once-proud record was what he analyzed to get his 80-year cycle … sorry, just kidding. That would be far too simple. You see, the problem is that when you look at that envelope data in Figure 3, there are no evident long-term cycles in there at all. It’s just not happening.
To get around the minor issue that the data has no obvious cycles, Gleissberg applies his whiz-bang “secular smoothing” algorithm to the maximum and minimum envelope data, which gives the following result. Remember, there are no obvious cycles in the actual envelope data itself …
Figure 4. Result of “secular smoothing” of the maxima and minima envelopes of the sunspot data. Dotted vertical line marks 1944, the year that Gleissberg introduced “secular smoothing” to the world.
And voilá! Problem solved.
The big difficulty, of course, is that smoothing data often creates entirely specious cycles out of thin air. Look at what happens with the maximum envelope at 1860. In the original maximum data (light red), this is a low point, with peaks on either side … but after the filter is applied (dark red), it has magically turned into a high point. Smoothing data very commonly results in totally factitious cycles which simply do not exist in the underlying data.
There are a couple of other problems. First, after such a procedure, we’re left with only 24 maximum and 24 minimum datapoints. In addition, they are strongly autocorrelated. As a result, whatever conclusions might be drawn from Gleissberg’s reduced dataset will be statistically meaningless.
Next, applying a trapezoidal filter to irregularly spaced data as though they were spaced regularly in time is a big no-no. A filter of that type is designed to be used only on regularly spaced data. It took me a while to wrap my head around just what his procedure does. It over-weights long sunspot cycles, and under-weights short cycles. As a result, you’re getting frequency information leaking in and mixing with your amplitude information … ugly.
Finally, if you read his description, you’ll find that not only has he applied secular smoothing to the amplitudes of the maxima and minima envelopes. Most curiously, he has also applied his wondrous secular smoothing to the times of the maxima and minima (not shown). Is this is an attempt to compensate for the problem of using a trapezoidal 1-2-2-2-1 filter on irregularly spaced data? Unknown. In any case, the differences are small, a year or so one way or the other makes little overall difference. However, it likely improves the (bogus) statistics of the results, because it puts the data at much more regular intervals.
CONCLUSIONS:
First, the method of Gleissberg is unworkable for a variety of reasons. It results in far too few datapoints which are highly autocorrelated. It manufactures cycles out of thin air. It mixes frequency information with amplitude information. It adjusts the time of the observations. No conclusions of any kind can be drawn from his work.
Next, is the 80-year cycle described by Gleissberg anywhere evident in the actual sunspot data? Not anywhere I can find. There is a very wide band of power in the century-long range in the sunspot data, as shown in Figure 1. However, I don’t trust it all that much, because it changes over time. For example, you’d think that things would kind of settle down over two centuries. So here’s the first two centuries of the sunspot data …
Figure 5. As in Figure 1, but only the earlier two centuries of the sunspot data.
Note that in the early data shown in Figure 5, there is very little difference in amplitude between the 80-year Gleissberg cycle, and the 95-year maximum amplitude cycle. You can see how Gleissberg could have been misled by the early data.
Now, let’s look at the latter two centuries of the record. Remember that this pair of two-century datasets have the middle century of the data in common …
Figure 6. As in Figure 5, but for the latter two centuries of the data.
In this two-century segment, suddenly the maximum is up to 113 years, and it is 2.5 times the size of the 80-year Gleissberg cycle.
In none of these views, however, has the 80-year Gleissberg cycle been dominant, or even noteworthy.
Please note that I am NOT saying that there are no century-long cycles, either in the sunspot data or elsewhere. I am making a careful statement, which is that to date there appears to be power in the sunspot data in the 95-120 year range. We can also say that to date, the power in the 80-year cycle is much smaller than anything in the 95-120 year range, so an 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is highly unlikely. But we simply don’t have the data to know if that power in the century-long range is going to last, or if it is ephemeral.
Note also that I am saying nothing about either 80-year Gleissberg cycles, or any other cycles, in any climate data. This is just the tip of the Gleissberg. So please, let me ask you to keep to the question at hand—the existence (or not) of a significant 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot data as Gleissberg claimed.
Finally, if you are talking about e.g. a 85 year cycle, that’s not a “pseudo-80 year cycle”. It’s an 85 year cycle. Please strive for specificity.
My best wishes to all,
w.
Claimer (the opposite of “disclaimer”?): If you disagree with anything I’ve written, which did actually happen once a couple years ago, please quote the exact words that you disagree with. Often heated disagreements stem from nothing more than simple misunderstandings.
Data: The adjusted SIDC data is available as SIDC Adjusted Sunspots 1700 2012.csv . In accordance with the advice of Leif Svalgaard, all values before 1947 have been increased by 20% to account for the change in sunspot counting methods. It makes little difference to this analysis
Any thoughts that the 95 – 120 yr cycle could be a double cycle of 50 – 60 years, much as the Hale cycle is two sunspot cycles??
ClimateForAll says:
May 17, 2014 at 11:52 pm
I pointed out above that people have claimed everything from ~50 to ~100 years for what they mislabel the “Gleissberg Cycle”. You get to join that long list.
However, the Gleissberg Cycle, according to Gleissberg himself in my linked reference, is 80 years.
Now, there assuredly may be some other cycle that varies from 72 to 83 years, although you have provided no evidence for its existence.
But I see no sign of any such cycles in Figure 1. The entire area from 70 to 85 years shows nothing unusual, no peaks, nothing to distinguish it from its neighbors. In fact, a close examination of Figure 1 shows that it to be a bit of a valley rather than a peak. And the peak is far away from your range, at 102 years.
But that’s a separate question, because Gleissberg postulated an 80 year cycle that took his name … and sadly, he based it on entirely bogus mathematics.
w.
If we superimpose at each other cycles of 210 years and 87 years have a very apparent in research of ice cores cycle of 1,470 years.
http://oi62.tinypic.com/r072p1.jpg
HenryP says:
May 17, 2014 at 11:53 pm
Well spotted, Henry. You challenged me to show what was wrong with Gleissberg. I have done so in spades, showing that both his math and his 80-year claims are contradicted by the facts …
Yes, there’s probably been more garbage written based on Gleissberg’s bad math than on most numerical misrepresentations … however, I fear that when one of the studies listed covers “Ethiopian Nile Water Levels 1229-1467 AD” and gives the maximum cycle as 80.6 years, it’s hard to stop laughing. No way you can get that kind of accuracy from a 240-year record, that’s a joke.
However, we digress. My subject here is the sun. Wolfgang Gleissberg, based on his bad math, claimed that there was an 80-year cycle in the sun. As near as I can determine, no such cycle exists.
As a result, you can stack up all the 80.6 year cycles in the Nile river records that you want … but since there’s no corresponding 80-year solar cycle to connect them to, then what are you left with?
w.
Greg says:
May 18, 2014 at 12:15 am
Indeed … a sad commentary. And thanks, by the way, you were one of the voices that led me to understand just how destructive the running mean (“boxcar”) filter actually is.
Many thanks for quoting me. However, you left off the first sentence. Here’s the complete quote:
Note that contrary to your misconception, I have not ascribed what happened to the trapezoidal filter. I have ascribed what happened to the smoothing of the data. Sorry for the confusion.
I’m not sure if he wrongly applied his trapezoidal filter to the irregular times in order to compensate for his wrongful application of the trapezoidal filter to irregular data or not. However, it’s easy to reproduce, and shifts the times by a couple years max. On the scale of the graphs, hardly visible, so I didn’t bother to show it.
An interesting suggestion, and I thought of doing that. The problem is that with n = only 27 points in the maxima (or minima) dataset, any results are going to be totally provisional. That’s only 10% of the three centuries of data we started with.
However, it’s an interesting test. Let me do that and get back to you. I suspect what we’ll find in maxima and minima is about what we find overall, only messier … what we’ll find in the “secularly smoothed” maxima and minima is another question.
Thanks, more later,
w.
ren says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/17/the-tip-of-the-gleissberg/#comment-1639558
henry asks
did you get idea that from here?
http://www.nonlin-processes-geophys.net/17/585/2010/npg-17-585-2010.html
henry@wilis
personally I donot believe in SSN for a variety reasons
it a very subjective observation, prone to improvement over time due to better magnification and observation technigues.
I did not know that that was all Gleissberg was looking at, if indeed this is so.
I will check that.
My own proxy on the data for maxima showed a cycle of 88 years
and in the tables 2 and 3 I count 29 in total that say 80-90, which is close enough for me.
that makes it 30
not convincing enough for you?
obviously this 86-88 solar cycle does not reflect exactly at the same time what happens to temperatures on earth. Earth has an intricate way of storing energy in the oceans. There is also earth’s own volcanic action, lunar interaction, the turning of Earth’s inner iron core, electromagnetic force changes, etc. It seems to me that a delay of about 5 years either way is quite normal. That would place the half cycle time as observed from earth at around 50 years, on average. 50 years of warming followed by 50 years of cooling. It seems to me the ancients knew this. Remember 7 x 7 years + 1 Jubilee year?
@ur momisugly Ulric. “Having now seen this has completely altered my perspective of what the next two centuries of climate will be like.”
And you stop there ! Cold, hot, warm, Teletubbie land ? What ?
Thanks again for another fun and informative read.
Hi Willis
Now must of people had opportunity to express their view on Gleissberg cycle, I would like to bring to your attention extracts from my exchanges with Dr. Svalgaard going back just over 5 years on SC24.com blog, but then as with most things, views and opinions evolve, however I stood still in that respect. Since Dr.S has not made an appearance I have left out his comments.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Gleissberg.htm
In conclusion I said: (written before the SC24 commenced when I was advancing idea of a low cycle)
“Many researchers use ‘Gleissberg cycle’ as if it is an accordion, stretching and squeezing to fit their requirements. Even Dr. Hathaway, in his latest work, quotes 8 cycle length against discoverer’s 7cycles, since it suits better to his high prediction of SC24.”
It may be good time for me to take another temporary break from blog commenting.
best to all.
Thanks, Willis. I always learn something reading your articles.
I’ve studied these Gleissberg cycles and their timing, unlike Willis I’ve used actual observational data in my graphs and all my graphs are made manually, it takes a bit more time and patience, obviously it’s because I don’t trust plotting with statistical sequencers. To me there seems to be an overall 200 year cycle in the number of solar cycles and the closest observational match I’ve found has been the planet Uranus, I’ve also noticed Neptune divided by Uranus’s orbit matches the “Gleissberg cycles” see the graph below.
http://thetempestspark.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/uranus-neptune.gif
Without inferring a relationship per-say, (even Leif Svalgaard has said “the sun runs the planets”) isn’t the idea of using cycles as a tool a way of understanding a relationship? to be honest, I’ve begun working on a completely new approach to solar cycles by painstakingly studying their behavior, These cycles are important for understanding the shape and timing of the behavior of the sun and that’s what we are all interested in.
At this stage I’m getting big results. Unlike some I could mention, I don’t fear criticism and I look forward to publishing my ideas soon.
Very interesting post as usual Willis.
Willis, you are an enfant terrible going after the masters, too! Actually, reading this, it occurred to me that there is room for a separate “workshop” area in WUWT that combs back through the literature to re-investigate the many presently unquestioned ‘findings’ of the past. I know that climate science is the most fertile ground these days for debunking but it’s a bit of a relief from present despair in science to find there may be loads of garbage in the old literature. Re the 97% consensus paper of Cook, I was less amazed at the shenanigans of the paper than I was to discover there had been 12,400 climate science papers in a decade, a hundred papers a month!
Yes it would be a huge step for humankind to clean out the enormous overburdening of chaff in the scientific literature. One could do the first pass by checking out papers that use a lot of statistics – not just climate science but medical, sociological, etc. etc. With modern search functions the task may not be as onerous as one might think. One would need a large dedicated team. This might have been better in the tips and notes. I’m sure Anthony isn’t looking for more work, but he probably could rely on others to put a “workshop” together.
Willis says: “Indeed … a sad commentary. And thanks, by the way, you were one of the voices that led me to understand just how destructive the running mean (“boxcar”) filter actually is.”
Thanks for note of recognition, it is well appreciated.
This is something I’ve been banging on about since a colleague tried to get me to use one in some spectral analysis software I was writing about 30y ago.
I’m very grateful to Judith Curry for featuring my article, I think it got the issue noticed by quite a lot of people. I even noticed a recent paper that had chosen a Lanczos filter low pass filter. In view of the rarity of anyone using a Lanczos in any field, I think there is a strong chance the choice was inspired by that article.
Anyway, after some of the disagreements we’ve had I’m very pleased by your gracious comment and of course pleased to have been of help. You are most welcome.
J Martin says:
“@ur momisugly Ulric. “Having now seen this has completely altered my perspective of what the next two centuries of climate will be like.”
And you stop there ! Cold, hot, warm, Teletubbie land ? What ?”
A shift towards a higher frequency of cold events, as there were through the LIA, but most importantly, deeper and protracted solar grand minimums. The analogue that I use at 4627yrs back has an Eddy Maximum ending at 2610 BC, which translates to 2017 AD, and the next maximum from 2370 BC (2257 AD), though this list has very little information on what happened in between:
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/palynology/geos462/holobib.html
Researching what I could find in google books, there was a significant dessication of much of Africa and the Middle East from around 2500 BC after centuries of wetter conditions, and close to 2400 BC is noted as period of widespread cultural breakdown.
HenryP says:
May 18, 2014 at 11:59 am
Henry, please see my follow-up post, “The Effect of Gleissberg’s “Secular Smoothing”. There is no 88-year cycle in the sunspot data either.
w.
PS — You say you “don’t believe” in sunspot numbers … how does that work? What is it you don’t believe? That they are measured correctly? That they are historically consistent? That they vary over ~11 years?
Sparks says:
May 18, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Oh, please. First, I used actual observational data in my graphs as well.
And the idea that a graph that is made “manually” is somehow superior? Really? Do you have a team of monks with goose-quill pens doing your calculations?
You also imply that doing things slowly is somehow better than doing them fast … do you really believe this stuff?
Finally, you say you “don’t trust plotting with statistical sequencers” … what on earth are “statistical sequencers”? Are you some kind of Luddite?
Great. Another genius heard from, a man who can diagnose a 200-year cycle in a 300-year long dataset, and then compares it to Hisanus.
The term is “per se”, not “per say”. In any case, while cycles could possibly be used as a tool to understand a relationship, in climate they are most often used as a way to claim that correlation actually is causation …
Sparks, when a man says “to be honest”, I get nervous. It strongly implies that what he has said previously has not been honest …
Unlike many I can mention, you are more than willing to make accusations without naming names. If you’re not going the mention their names, then don’t bother me with your fantasies about their actions.
That’s my goal … first to do good, solid science, and then to make it interesting to the reader.
w.
“There are a couple of other problems. First, after such a procedure, we’re left with only 24 maximum and 24 minimum datapoints. In addition, they are strongly autocorrelated. As a result, whatever conclusions might be drawn from Gleissberg’s reduced dataset will be statistically meaningless.”
It’s worse than that. Gleissberg’s paper was published in 1944. A study which examines his actual work will have to begin with somewhat less data.
Willis Eschenbach says:
That’s my goal … first to do good, solid science, and then to make it interesting to the reader.
Abstract
Two 9400-year long 10Be data records from the Arctic and Antarctic and a 14C record of equal length were used to investigate the periodicities in the cosmic radiation incident on Earth throughout the past 9400 years. Fifteen significant periodicities between 40 and 2320 years are observed in the 10Be and 14C records, there being close agreement between the periodicities in each record. We found that the periodic variations in the galactic cosmic radiation are the primary cause for periods 250 years. The spectral line for the Gleissberg (87-year) periodicity is narrow, indicating a stability of ≈ 0.5 %. The 9400-year record contains 26 Grand Minima (GM) similar to the Maunder Minimum, most of which occurred as sequences of 2 – 7 GM with intervals of 800 – 1200 years in between, in which there were no GM. The intervals between the GM sequences are characterised by high values of the modulation function. Periodicities < 150 years are observed in both the GM intervals and the intervals in between. The longer-period variations such as the de Vries (208-year) cycle have high amplitudes during the GM sequences and are undetectable in between. There are three harmonically related pairs of periodicities (65 and 130 years), (75 and 150 years), and (104 and 208 years). The long periodicities at 350, 510, and 708 years closely approximate 4, 6, and 8 times the Gleissberg period (87 years). The well-established properties of cosmic-ray modulation theory and the known dependence of the heliospheric magnetic field on the solar magnetic fields lead us to speculate that the periodicities evident in the paleo-cosmic-ray record are also present in the solar magnetic fields and in the solar dynamo. The stable, narrow natures of the Gleissberg and other periodicities suggest that there is a strong "frequency control" in the solar dynamo, in strong contrast to the variable nature (8 – 15 years) of the Schwabe (11-year) solar cycle.
http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2012/12/aa19997-12.pdf
ren says:
May 19, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Not impressed, sorry. I discussed the problems with the 10Beryllium records here, including the tiny difficulty that the Arctic and Antarctic records only have a correlation of 0.07 … and the problem that the datasets show no sign of the 11-year cycle.
w.
Willis Eschenbach says:
May 19, 2014 at 9:00 am
“Oh, please. First, I used actual observational data in my graphs as well.”
You appear to have used a “best-fit” sine wave using actual observational data, This is what I humorously referred to as “statistical sequencers”. Do they skew the timing of the actual observational data?
To be honest (it’s a casual phrase, get over it) the rest of your reply is semantical and obnoxious with no actual content worth discussing!
You get top marks for dishing out witty insults, you should do a post on this sometime where we can compare notes.
🙂
Sparks said in part May 18, 2014 at 5:45 pm:
“… I don’t fear criticism … “
Well, that at least is good – if you also tolerate criticism . Here comes criticism. In looking at your linked graph, I am not sure what Uranus and Neptune have to do with it? Have you offered any connection anywhere? Why an orange and a blue curve? The curves seems to be of the form of the Uranus-Neptune distance, but it is unrelated to the SSN data (using just my eye as you prefer yourself, and not any “statistical sequencers”, although I have no idea what one would even look like.) If the planetary orbits matter, it should be through gravity I should suppose, so wouldn’t Jupiter and Saturn be far more important being much larger and much closer to the sun? Or even Earth-Venus. Or are we perhaps using numerology, or astrology here? It seems so. That would explain everything.
Bernie Hutchins says:
May 20, 2014 at 10:22 pm
I am not sure what Uranus and Neptune have to do with it?
There is an integral relationship between our sun and its solar system of planets. Uranus seems to have a direct relationship to the suns polar magnetic field reversal and Neptune, it perturbs Uranus’s orbit.
@sparks
Also, I think Saturn and Uranus together actually throw the switch. There are not too many of us who figured this one out….
Imagine if we did not have uranus….we would all freeze to death. Never mind the other stuff.
Although the other positions of planets probably also matter in pulling the switch, it is when Uranus and Saturn are exactly opposite each other that we come a dead stop. The lever in or on the sun gets switched, always 7-8 years after exact opposition of these two planets.
Although the other positions of planets probably also matter in pulling the switch, it is when Uranus and Saturn are exactly opposite each other that we come a dead stop. The lever in or on the sun appears to get switched, always 7-8 years after exact opposition of these two planets.
This is what William Arnold already postulated back in 1985, before they started with the carbondioxide nonsense, although the 7-8 years delay is what I found when compared to my data on maxima,
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/