Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
A look at Gleissberg’s famous solar cycle reveals that it is constructed from some dubious signal analysis methods. This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely.
Back in the 1940s, a man named Wolfgang Gleissberg was studying sunspot cycles. To do so, in his own words, he introduced a new method, viz:
When I introduced the method of secular smoothing into the study of the variations of sunspot frequency (GLEISSBERG, 1944) I published a table containing the secularly smoothed epochs and ordinates of sunspot minima and maxima which I had deduced from the data published by BRUNNER in 1939. Since then, secular smoothing has proved to be one of the principal methods for investigating the properties of the 80-year cycle of solar activity (cf. RUBASHEV, 1964).
Figure 1. SIDC sunspot data, along with the “best-fit” sine wave for each cycle length from 40 years (orange, in back) to 120 years (blue, in front). Heavy black and heavy red horizontal sine waves show respectively the strength of the 80-year “Gleissberg Cycle” and the 102-year maximum-amplitude cycle.
This purported 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot numbers has excited much interest since Gleissberg’s original work. However, the claimed length of the cycle has varied widely. One source says:
In different studies the length of the period of the secular variation was determined to be equal to 95 years, 65 years, 55 years, 58 years, 83 years, 78.8 years, 87 years [Siscoe, 1980; Feynman and Fougere, 1984]. That situation is understandable, because the longest record of direct observations of solar activity was and still is the sunspot numbers which provides more or less reliable information since 1700 (see below). That gives one only 300 years of time span by now which encompasses ~3.4 periods of Gleissberg cycle which is quite low for its statistical analysis.
So what was Gleissberg’s “secular smoothing” method that he “introduced” in 1944? Well, it turns out to be a simple 1-2-2-2-1 trapezoidal filter … but one which he employed in a most idiosyncratic and incorrect manner.
Let’s start, though, by looking up at Figure 1. It shows the three centuries of sunspot data in black, along with actual best fit sine waves in color, year by year, for each cycle length from forty years (colored orange, in the back) to one hundred twenty years (colored blue, in the front). Of particular interest are the 80-year cycle proposed by Gleissberg (heavy wavy horizontal black line), and the largest long-term cycle, which is 102 years in length (heavy wavy horizontal red line). As you can see, the 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is not distinguished in any way.
So … does this mean that in fact there is a 102-year cycle in the sunspot data? Well, no. We still only have data enough for three 102-year cycles. And in natural data, that’s not very reliable. The problem is that nature appears to be chaotic on all timescales, so I’m not trusting the 102-year cycle to stick around. But in any case … just how did Gleissberg get to his 80-year number? Therein lies a tale …
First, Gleissberg decided that what we’re looking at in Figure 1 is an amplitude modulated signal. So he figured he only had to deal with the envelope of the signal, which looks like this:
Figure 2. Envelope of the sunspot record shown in color. As an aside, it turns out to be a curiously tricky algorithm that is needed to identify true maxima, or true minima.
Having gotten that far, he threw away everything but the envelope, leaving only the following information:
Figure 3. Envelope only of the sunspot record, maximum envelope shown in red, minimum envelope shown in blue.
And that poor misbegotten stepchild of a once-proud record was what he analyzed to get his 80-year cycle … sorry, just kidding. That would be far too simple. You see, the problem is that when you look at that envelope data in Figure 3, there are no evident long-term cycles in there at all. It’s just not happening.
To get around the minor issue that the data has no obvious cycles, Gleissberg applies his whiz-bang “secular smoothing” algorithm to the maximum and minimum envelope data, which gives the following result. Remember, there are no obvious cycles in the actual envelope data itself …
Figure 4. Result of “secular smoothing” of the maxima and minima envelopes of the sunspot data. Dotted vertical line marks 1944, the year that Gleissberg introduced “secular smoothing” to the world.
And voilá! Problem solved.
The big difficulty, of course, is that smoothing data often creates entirely specious cycles out of thin air. Look at what happens with the maximum envelope at 1860. In the original maximum data (light red), this is a low point, with peaks on either side … but after the filter is applied (dark red), it has magically turned into a high point. Smoothing data very commonly results in totally factitious cycles which simply do not exist in the underlying data.
There are a couple of other problems. First, after such a procedure, we’re left with only 24 maximum and 24 minimum datapoints. In addition, they are strongly autocorrelated. As a result, whatever conclusions might be drawn from Gleissberg’s reduced dataset will be statistically meaningless.
Next, applying a trapezoidal filter to irregularly spaced data as though they were spaced regularly in time is a big no-no. A filter of that type is designed to be used only on regularly spaced data. It took me a while to wrap my head around just what his procedure does. It over-weights long sunspot cycles, and under-weights short cycles. As a result, you’re getting frequency information leaking in and mixing with your amplitude information … ugly.
Finally, if you read his description, you’ll find that not only has he applied secular smoothing to the amplitudes of the maxima and minima envelopes. Most curiously, he has also applied his wondrous secular smoothing to the times of the maxima and minima (not shown). Is this is an attempt to compensate for the problem of using a trapezoidal 1-2-2-2-1 filter on irregularly spaced data? Unknown. In any case, the differences are small, a year or so one way or the other makes little overall difference. However, it likely improves the (bogus) statistics of the results, because it puts the data at much more regular intervals.
CONCLUSIONS:
First, the method of Gleissberg is unworkable for a variety of reasons. It results in far too few datapoints which are highly autocorrelated. It manufactures cycles out of thin air. It mixes frequency information with amplitude information. It adjusts the time of the observations. No conclusions of any kind can be drawn from his work.
Next, is the 80-year cycle described by Gleissberg anywhere evident in the actual sunspot data? Not anywhere I can find. There is a very wide band of power in the century-long range in the sunspot data, as shown in Figure 1. However, I don’t trust it all that much, because it changes over time. For example, you’d think that things would kind of settle down over two centuries. So here’s the first two centuries of the sunspot data …
Figure 5. As in Figure 1, but only the earlier two centuries of the sunspot data.
Note that in the early data shown in Figure 5, there is very little difference in amplitude between the 80-year Gleissberg cycle, and the 95-year maximum amplitude cycle. You can see how Gleissberg could have been misled by the early data.
Now, let’s look at the latter two centuries of the record. Remember that this pair of two-century datasets have the middle century of the data in common …
Figure 6. As in Figure 5, but for the latter two centuries of the data.
In this two-century segment, suddenly the maximum is up to 113 years, and it is 2.5 times the size of the 80-year Gleissberg cycle.
In none of these views, however, has the 80-year Gleissberg cycle been dominant, or even noteworthy.
Please note that I am NOT saying that there are no century-long cycles, either in the sunspot data or elsewhere. I am making a careful statement, which is that to date there appears to be power in the sunspot data in the 95-120 year range. We can also say that to date, the power in the 80-year cycle is much smaller than anything in the 95-120 year range, so an 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” is highly unlikely. But we simply don’t have the data to know if that power in the century-long range is going to last, or if it is ephemeral.
Note also that I am saying nothing about either 80-year Gleissberg cycles, or any other cycles, in any climate data. This is just the tip of the Gleissberg. So please, let me ask you to keep to the question at hand—the existence (or not) of a significant 80-year “Gleissberg cycle” in the sunspot data as Gleissberg claimed.
Finally, if you are talking about e.g. a 85 year cycle, that’s not a “pseudo-80 year cycle”. It’s an 85 year cycle. Please strive for specificity.
My best wishes to all,
w.
Claimer (the opposite of “disclaimer”?): If you disagree with anything I’ve written, which did actually happen once a couple years ago, please quote the exact words that you disagree with. Often heated disagreements stem from nothing more than simple misunderstandings.
Data: The adjusted SIDC data is available as SIDC Adjusted Sunspots 1700 2012.csv . In accordance with the advice of Leif Svalgaard, all values before 1947 have been increased by 20% to account for the change in sunspot counting methods. It makes little difference to this analysis
@Brent Walker “Why should the measurement of a cycle of the sun be in years?”
If its a cycle then it repeats itself after a measure of time. A year is simply a measure of time.
@ren
Most likely there is some gravitational- and/or electromagnetic force that gets switched every 44 year, affecting the sun’s output. The 2 graphs here
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/
represent almost all of my data on maximum temps. Note that an a-c curve consists of 4 quadrants, for each full wave. In my best fit, I saw that each quadrant has a time span of about 22 years, on average. In the paper from William Arnold,
http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/cycles-astronomy/arnold_theory_order.pdf
he suggests that it is mainly the position of the two planets Saturn and Uranus that can be directly linked to the 22 year solar cycle. I looked at this again. At first the dates did not make sense.
Observe from my a-c curves:
1) change of sign: (from warming to cooling and vice versa)
1904, 1950, 1995, 2039
2) maximum speed of cooling or warming = turning points
1927, 1972, 2016
Then I put the dates of the various positions of Uranus and Saturn next to it:
1) we had/have Saturn synodical with Uranus (i.e. in line with each other)
1897, 1942, 1988, 2032
2) we had complete 180 degrees opposition between Saturn and Uranus
1919, 1965, 2009,
In all 7 of my own results & projections, there is an exact 7 or 8 years delay, before “the push/pull ” occurs, that switches the dynamo inside the sun, changing the sign….!!!! Conceivably the gravitational pull of these two planets has some special lob sided character, causing the actual switch. Perhaps Uranus’ apparent side ward motion (inclination of equator by 98 degrees) works like a push-pull trigger. Either way, there is a clear correlation. Other synodical cycles of planets probably have some interference as well either shortening or extending the normal cycle times a little bit. Hence the range around 88 years. So it appears William Arnold’s report was right after all….(“On the Special Theory of Order”, 1985).
@Brent Walker “Surely when trying to understand the solar cycles one has to look at the solar system as a whole.”
No to understand solar cycles one has to look at the Sun. The sun varies in cycles. [Sunspot cycles]
I am again missing a comment here made @ren
Question:
Has there been any inquiry into any cyclical variation in the *frequency* of the sunspot cycles (as opposed to their amplitude)?
We have such a plethora of “modulations” to choose from, 60+ years on….
If you have any doubt about the propensity of men to look for cycles or order in randomness, read about the “Secrets of the Pyramids”. Men spent their lives deriving meaning from the dimensions and the orientation of those structures.
It’s a lot like numerology. According to Wikipedia, some of the ancient greats believed that numbers (and theory) were more informative than mere facts.
Things don’t change.
Willis…..I wonder if you know a method of analysis that could elucidate an 8:5:3:2:1 ‘cycle’ from a dataset and how many repeats of that you would need to confirm it? Every paper I have seen on cycles – Bond cycles are a ‘good’ example, looks for an average and a repeated period, usually not found as exact periods. If you take a look at the GISP isotope data (Greenland ice-cap proxy for temperature), especially between 50,000 and 30,000 BP, you can see with the naked eye, that the peaks of temperature repeat a 10,000 year cycle, within which there are 4-5 peaks of varying width, and that variation looks like an 8:5:3:2:1 set – a Fibonacci series. That sets of ‘cycles’ is very clear between those dates when the global system was at its most regular or ‘stable’, and then they seem to get affected by noise….most especially the over-riding deglacial cyle starting at abut 15,000 BP, but if one looks at the last 10,000 years, then there are discernible peaks at 8kyr, 3kyr, 2kyr and 1kyr……but not at 5kyr BP.
I am not a good enough mathematician to even know what kind of analysis would reveal such patterns – but would have thought your approach could do it.
ren says: May 18, 2014 at 12:08 am
HenryP says: May 18, 2014 at 12:31 am
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Sunspot cycles regularly change polarity in sync with polar field, but with pi/2 (90 degree) phase displacement. This is common relationship with most physical ‘oscillating’ systems where the exchange of energy is involved.
Re: planetary magnetospheres: I discussed this with solar scientist Dr. J Feynman (mentioned above), winner of Hale prize solar scientist Dr. E. Priest and Nobel physicist Dr. A. Hewish, about 11 years ago. Although all cautious, none rejected it out of hand. Result is polar field formula , indeed based on electro-magnetic feedback between solar (internal possibly inherently unstable oscillations) and orbital properties of two massive magnetospheres. Few years later solar scientists Dr. Hathaway and Dr. Svalgaard were adamantl that it contravenes physics events as they are understood.
Spectral analysis of the sunspot cycles (periods of analysis are suggested by Dr. Svalgaard) indicate that the sun moves back and forth around this central period as defined by the above feedback formula. Numerology, autocorrelation etc. etc have in past and may in the future be used to discredit calculation. However, as we can se up to date (11 years later) polar field cycle has followed reasonably well, but for how long in the future, time will tell.
It’s an envelope but not from amplitude modulation, much simpler.
virakkraft.com/18+20+22,2+23,6.xlsx
Brent Walker says:
May 18, 2014 at 12:13 am
Why should the measurement of a cycle of the sun be in years? One earth year is of no relevance to the sun……..
That’s an incredibly perceptive perspective — Copernicusian in profundity?
We get these very nice realtively well behaved plots of solar activity based on monthly averaging — which is accidentally relevant due to the coincidence of the canonical solar rate of rotation — the Sol — [approximately 1 / per earth month with a couple of earth days variation from pole to equator] with our earth unit of the Moonth [canonical month before all the Julian era manipulations] — but to suggest that the aggregation of Moonths of solar data based on the earth’s year is at all relevant — Brilliant!!
Perhaps we are just using the wrong measure for solar activity time frames — Just as it would be bizarre to suggest that we should look for patterns in earthly data to be well organized in terms of Venusian Years
So — Perhaps the Solar data patterns might more properly be located by searching in the time-unit space of Sols — Solar equivalent of Days {with the matter of solar latitudinal variability of a Sol being fully acknowledged in advance]
joel says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/17/the-tip-of-the-gleissberg/#comment-1639251
henry says
shame
clearly you do not have a scientific brain
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/17/the-tip-of-the-gleissberg/#comment-1639178
henry@vukcevic
I think you also do not see it yet.
Your formula, although it accurately describes what happened to field strengths in the past, would end up with zero field strength, never mind the fact that we would all die from the constant global cooling on earth caused by the “hotter” sun.
As I said before,
you have to step off from sunspots (which is a subjective measurement) and rather move to both of the strengths of the polar fields of the sun
http://ice-period.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sun2013.png
Note with me that you can easily draw a binomial best fit from the top (hyperbolic) and from the bottom (parabolic) which would show you that the minimal strengths will be reached around 2016.
Note also the 2 past Hale cycles (44 years) for which we have reliable data.
All indications from my own investigations are that in 2016 something strange will happen on the sun. Possibly we will see the poles reversing again but whatever happens, we will slowly cycle back to full polar strengths, 2 Hale cycles from 2016. So the next 44 years we will see a mirror appearing of what happened from 1972-2016.
Are you with me now?
Willis Eschenbach says: “There are lots of things that I should write up for the journals, but I feel like I have to give myself an autolobotomy to write in the style that the journals seem to prefer.”
Ain’t that the truth!
WestHighlander says:
May 18, 2014 at 4:19 am
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You make some good points (btw, I still use Julian Calendar for the Christian holy days). The Bartel rotation period (solar ‘day’) ‘is assigned to a 27-day recurrence periods of solar and geophysical parameters’.
However, as our resident solar scientist Dr. Svalgaard and his colleague have noticed in 1970’s there may be another important marker, the sunspot ‘preferable longitude’ , currently at around 240 degrees, perhaps more physically meaningful as the accurate measure of the solar ‘day’. This features slowly drifts around in relation to the standard Bartel’s rotation, its origins (afaik) are not known.
lgl ays
It’s an envelope but not from amplitude modulation, much simpler.
virakkraft.com/18+20+22,2+23,6.xlsx
henry says
the link does not work?
please explain what you mean
joel says:
May 18, 2014 at 2:53 am
It’s a lot like numerology.
I suppose it could be.
To a pudding-head.
Statistical analysis is useful in simple things. It’s a bunch of crock when it comes to something complex. You can prove anything you like by the way you manipulate the data. Try analysing 60 students in 3 classes. You can get all sorts of statistics on grades etc. but you don’t have a clue as to why one class is different to another or why some students respond to stimuli and others don’t. Sometimes it just takes one or two key students to change the entire atmosphere of the class.
ClimateForAll says:
“Other cycles tend to pop out of these datasets, and it only makes me wonder if these cycles are but like gears in a clock.”
There are, and timely as this exactly what I have been looking at this week. Certain configurations of gas giants repeat at intervals of 68/69 years, and of around 90 years, in patterns that shift over millennia. The one occurring in the 20th century was a clear 69yr period, it has somewhat fuzzy 90yr intervals at either end of it. At a very variable frequency, the regular patterns break down for 150-250 years, at precisely where there are colder episodes, and Maunder-Dalton-Gleissberg minimum type triplets. Provisional dates for the start of the periods are from: 2980 BC, 2570 BC, 2100 BC, 1350 BC, 510 BC, 380 AD. 1650 AD, and the next one is from 2056 AD. Having now seen this has completely altered my perspective of what the next two centuries of climate will be like.
Counting sunspots doesn’t mean much unless you can get a direct correlation to something. Determining the spending patterns of people with suntans doesn’t tell you much. Some could be sports people, or farmers, rich bitches on yachts or just plain lazy people in their backyard.
I don’t know the underlying causes of sunspots or why some are larger than others or the reasons some are more persistent than others. Performing a statistical analysis is not going to explain much. Yeah, yeah best tools we have etc.
Reading about Gleissberg’s “envelope” approach reminded me of a method I ran across several weeks ago which was used in a paper featured in a WUWT post.
The procedure is called Empirical Mode Decomposition (EMD) and is used to decompose a time series into a trend with various cycles. Max and min envelopes are used extensively during the analytic process. I found the method to be somewhat too subjective in its approach, but possibly capable of giving some exploratory insight into the properties of a series. You might like to add it into your arsenal of statistical hammers for thwacking time series nails.
You can find a reasonably nice powerpoint and a non-too-long paper describing the methodology on the web. The best part is that there is also an R library (not surprisingly called EMD) which you can use fairly easily for implementation of this technique.
Henry
Try put www if front of it. I mean it’s a simple summation of the major components.
Vukcevic says:
Numerology, autocorrelation etc. etc have in past and may in the future be used to discredit calculation. However, as we can se up to date (11 years later) polar field cycle has followed reasonably well, but for how long in the future, time will tell.
Milivoje, in numerology 11 is a masterly number. Something that means.
henry@willis
It seems you were stunned by the number of investigations pointing to a 80-100 weather cycle in the tables 2 and 3 here:
http://virtualacademia.com/pdf/cli267_293.pdf
How about starting a post, with the name “The Gleiszberg Rose” ?
(my play of words on “Iceberg rose”)
henry@willis
And now? It seems you were stunned by the number of investigations pointing to a 80-100 year weather cycle in the tables 2 and 3 here:
http://virtualacademia.com/pdf/cli267_293.pdf
How about writing a post, with the name “The Gleiszberg Rose” ?
(my play of words on “Iceberg rose”)
which……
might eventually turn into a good paper, explaining how earth is defending itself from a “hotter” sun. It seems most people donot yet understand how a “hotter” sun makes for a cooler earth.
No doubt explaining this will help to try and squash the myth of global warming, like you did with your previous paper.
Gleissberg’s method isn’t completely wrong. The basic idea works. I created a data set of the absolute values of am modulation because there are phase reversals and you can’t have negative sunspots. I took the peaks and passed them through a 1-2-2-2-1 filter. The result was twice the modulating frequency. That implies a 160 year cycle. On top of that we have the problem that Gleissberg’s peaks weren’t evenly spaced so who knows what the actual period is. In any event, the period is likely to be twice as long as he thought it should be.
When we account for Gleissberg’s (serious) errors we have something that roughly agrees with the work of others. sites.stat.psu.edu/~richards/papers/sunspot.pdf