Gone with the wind: England's most important coastline

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

I shall not cease from mental fight,

Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,

Till we have built Jerusalem

In England’s green and pleasant land.

Thus William Blake, in the coda of the mystical poem that the nation belts out at full if not always tuneful volume on the Last Night of the Proms at the Albert Hall every summer.

England’s g. and p. l. is not what it was when Blake wrote about it. The place is being expensively carpeted with ugly, medieval, lo-tech wind farms.

The governing class still likes windmills. It is making a fortune out of them, at everyone else’s expense. 

The Left support windmills because the developers quietly give their parties – “Labor”, the “Liberal” “Democrats”, and the “Greens”, in order of Leftness – huge kickbacks from the massive State subsidies they get.

The center-Left “Conservatives” like them because, like “Dave” Cameron’s pa-in-law, the wind farms are profitably built on their vast estates.

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The unspeakable “Tim” Yeo, “Conservative” chairman of the Commons Environment Committee, who came off very much second-best in a tussle with Professor Dick Lindzen at a recent hearing, makes around $150,000 a year (in addition to his fat Parliamentary salary and allowances of $1 million a year) from various soi-disant “renewable” energy boondoggles subsidized by taxpayers.

Yeo’s committee has acted disgracefully, suppressing or sneering at any testimony (such as that from Professor Lindzen) that threatens’ its members’ personal fortunes and the immense donations to their parties from people whom their insane climate policies have made into multi-millionaires.

Johnny Taxpayer, who pays £30 billion a year for the mad climate policies that represent the biggest transfer of power and wealth in human history from the little guy to the fat cat, is heartily sick of wind farms.

Half of all zoning consents applied for by greedy developers supported by members of parliament whose parties hope to profiteer from wind farms are now being turned down, even though the government desperately wants local authorities to grant them because the Brussels junta, whom we do not elect, requires us to generate a fifth of our electricity from “renewables” by 2020.

The proposal that bids fair to bring the entire tottering house of cards crashing down is just about to be submitted for zoning consent.

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Britain’s most important coastline – the Jurassic world-heritage coast in Dorset – is about to be ruined irretrievably by the Navitus Bay Wind Array, 194 wind turbines almost 600 feet high, covering six square miles, less than 9 miles out to sea.

The swept area of each turbine is 200,000 square feet. Yet the mean output of 4000 acres of vast 5 MW wind turbines, even at the absurdly optimistic 35% capacity factor claimed by the developers, will be just 339.5 MW. A single modern 4 GW coal-fired power station produces ten times as much output.

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Figure 2a. The Navitus array, seen from Durlston Head lighthouse on the Jurassic Coast, will span almost 45 degrees of arc (nearly the entire field of view here).

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Figure 3. The sheer size of the proposed Navitus Bay Wind Array wind farm is disproportionate to and intrusive upon the fragile and important landscape of the area. The illustration, kindly supplied by the Poole and Christchurch Bays Association, shows the scale of a 5 MW and a 7 MW turbine set against the Needles Light, one of Britain’s most-loved landmarks (they will not, of course, be this close to the coast). The array of 194 turbines each 581 feet high and sweeping an area of 200,000 square feet will be within 11 miles of the Needles. The UK Government’s minimum offshore distance for wind farms is 12 miles. The wind farms will tower over the neighboring cliffs.

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The pathetic 339.5 MW output of this monstrous boondoggle is less than 0.8% of the 43.2 GW mean total UK load. Electricity accounts for 33% of UK CO2 emissions, which, at 142.6 MtC (522 Mt CO2) in 2008, represented 1.72% of global CO2 emissions.

Therefore, Navitus Bay will abate 0.0045% of global CO2 emissions. The annual subsidy for 339.5 MW over 8766 hours, at 1.8 times the Renewable Obligation Certificate price of $82.80 (£46), will be $444 million, or $2.22 bn over five years. The subsidy regime is too uncertain for reliable costing thereafter.

The subsidy is part-paid-for by a Climate Change Levy of about $0.09 kWh–1 on non-exempt consumers of electricity, and a Carbon Price Floor. These two levies brought in about £700 million ($1.2 bn) in 2013. The 2.975 TWh projected to be generated annually by Navitus Bay is equivalent to 7.235% of the 41.132 TWh generated from the renewables subsidized by the levies.

Accordingly, some $87 million of the annual cost of the levies would be attributable to the Navitus Bay project and, as a market distortion intended to favor renewables at the expense of fossil-fueled generation, is properly treated as additional to the subsidy, so that the five-year gross cost of the project is $22.65 billion, and that is before taking account of the cost of interconnection to the national power grid.

Armed with this information, we can determine whether Navitus Bay will make a useful contribution to cutting global CO2 emissions.

Navitus Bay is to come onstream by 2021. We shall study the first five years of the project, from 2021-2025. Beyond that period, the subsidy regime is uncertain.

CO2 concentration, on business as usual, will increase by 11 pmv from from 412 to 423 ppmv over the five years. Of this 11 ppmv, the 0.0045% abated by Navitus Bay represents 0.0005 ppmv.

The global CO2 forcing abated by Navitus Bay over the period, using the CO2 forcing equation, is 5.25 ln(423/422.9995), or 0.000006 W m–2.

The fraction of global warming abated is 0.000006 W m–2 multiplied by the five-year Planck sensitivity parameter 0.323 K W–1 m2, or 0.000002 Cº. That is approximately 2 millionths of a degree.

The unit mitigation cost, which is the cost of mitigating 1 Cº of global warming by measures of equivalent unit cost worldwide, is the five-year subsidy of £2.65 bn divided by the 0.000002 Cº global warming abated by Navitus Bay over the five-year period, or a mere $1.3 quadrillion.

The global total mitigation cost, which is the cost of mitigating the 0.08 Cº global warming that IPCC (2013) projects will occur over the five year period of study, is 0.08 Cº mutiplied by the unit mitigation cost of £1.3 quadrillion. That gives $109 trillion, which is $15,560 per head of global population or, as a percentage of projected global GDP of $436 trillion, 25%.

The benefit-cost ratio, assuming that adapting to 1 Cº unmitigated global warming over the 21st century would cost 1% of GDP, broadly consistent with Stern (2006) and IPCC (2013) on the assumption that little warming occurs, is 25.

It is 25 times costlier to address global warming with mitigation projects such as Navitus Bay than to allow the projected global warming to occur and meet the costs and damages of adapting to its consequences.

The “Greens” in the Bournemouth area, which will have its tourism industry wrecked by the medieval mechanical triffids visible in the bay less than 12 miles away, are of course backing this environment-destroying project because they, too, benefit from generous handouts from “renewable”-energy corporations.

Never mind the national finances. Never mind the taxpayers’ finances. Never mind the immense environmental damage the wind array will cause. Never mind the world heritage status of the Jurassic coast. Never mind the birds that will be killed. The Greens will profit, and – communists though they be – they are now the most rapacious capitalists on the planet, when it comes to their own bank balances.

Their argument in favor of this nonsensical scheme, which will be visible from the three major centers of Poole, Bournemouth, and Christchurch, as well as from the Needles, one of Britain’s best-loved landmarks and a haven for sailors, and from Durlston Head on the Jurassic Coast itself, is that almost 1.3 million tons of CO2 a year will not be emitted thanks to the turbines.

The calculations we did earlier, showing that it would be 25 times costlier to make global warming go away with offshore wind farms than to let the warming happen and adapt to it, were done on so generous a basis that we assumed it was true.

But it wasn’t true. The problem is that the wind, even offshore, is so fickle that the array will only generate electricity a third of the time. So just as much fossil-fueled capacity as before has to be kept onstream and spinning in case the wind drops. But instead of spinning at full and efficient capacity, it is kept spinning in a fashion so inefficient that there is no CO2 saving from the average wind farm at all.

On this true basis, it is infinitely costlier to make global warming go away with wind farms than to let it happen, because wind farms actually add to CO2 emissions when all is said and done.

The developers’ claims, parroted by the Greens, about the amount of CO2 emissions that the wind farm will “save” are entirely without foundation, as are their claims that the wind farm will help to meet the UK’s CO2 emissions targets laid down by our unelected masters in Brussels. The array, like all wind farms, will actually increase our CO2 emissions.

But it’s going to create jobs, right? The developers’ website proudly says there will be – wait for it – 140 permanent jobs keeping the turbines running. At a project subsidy of $0.53 bn a year, that works out at getting on for $4 million per job, per year.

The developers also claim the project will increase the UK’s “energy security”. Er, no, it won’t. There will be many tons of extremely scarce and expensive neodymium in each windmill, and that comes almost entirely from China, at enormous environmental cost in the shape of acid pollution of the water table for thousands of square miles via the process to leach the neodymium out from the ore. Not that you’ll hear much from the Greens about that. Wonder why not.

And how is the Royal Navy, with more admirals than rubber ducks, going to defend these and other offshore wind farms against sabotage? Security? Schmecurity.

Finally, the developers claim – and this is heroically insane – that the project will “stabilize electricity prices for the future”. Try telling that to the average energy user, who is paying at least twice what he was paying for electricity just a few years ago. A substantial fraction of the increase is attributable to subsidies for wind farms.

You would be forgiven for thinking that this proposal, like the regime of subsidy that has attracted it, is bonkers. So it is – and that is how it is going to be stopped.

Zoning consents for large projects like Navitus Bay have been taken out of the hands of local authorities. Too many of them, elected by the voters who might have to live next to these monstrous arrays, were saying No when Ministers and civil servants could only profiteer if they said Yes.

So Ministers now decide the bigger proposals themselves – or, at least, a vast bureaucracy decides on Ministers’ behalf. However, it is a Ministerial decision, and it is accordingly subject to judicial review in the Administrative Court in London.

The law is clear. If a decision is irrational, it is unlawful. Ministers are given very wide discretion, but, if a Minister takes a decision which, coldly dissected by a court, makes no sense whatsoever because no reasonable or sane Minister could possibly have taken it, the court is obliged to set that decision aside.

Watch this space. Navitus Bay could well prove to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Show Fig. 1 to a court and it will start to question very carefully everything said by the developers, the Greens, and the government. And, as with the case against Al Gore’s movie in 2007, once the court starts to ask questions there is nowhere for the Forces of Darkness to hide.

Some 50 residents’ associations have already banded together to fight this poisonous scheme. Let us hope they fight it all the way, and let us hope they win. Otherwise, we shall all be singing a new version of Jerusalem:

… till Socialism’s builded here

In England’s Green, unpleasant land.

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Figure 6. Views of the Jurassic World Heritage Coast, as it is for now. Enjoy it while you can.

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Figure 7. The last Great Bustard in the Spanish province of Cadiz, killed by a wind farm.

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richardscourtney
April 30, 2014 9:47 am

Trevor and solentsnowgoose:
In the words of Trevor, you each need to “grow up”.
The issues over windfarms have nothing to do with ‘nimbyism’.
The objections to the subsidy farms are objections to corruption which harms people and the environment.
The problems of windfarms are explained here.
Richard

John Whitman
April 30, 2014 12:54 pm

Christopher Monckton,
I would recommend digging up two case studies, selected as the most relevant to circumstances of Navitus Bay Wind Array project. Find one case study of an effort that successfully blocked a wind array. Find another case study of an effort that failed to block a wind array. Best, as a priority, that both case studies are of wind arrays projects in Great Britain.
They could be useful for developing the strategy of the team opposing the Navitus Bay Wind Array project.
John

Jeff
April 30, 2014 3:05 pm

richard says:
April 30, 2014 at 4:43 am
… So these wind turbines must take a hell of a beating out at sea. How often do they need servicing.”
Good point that I doubt most of the, erm, wind farmers (aka subsidy recipients) think of.
The Golden Gate Bridge has a crew that is continuously painting the bridge…as soon as they get done, they go back and start again. The salt air and other environmental issues (perpetual fog, etc.) are stressors that can only be mitigated by continual inspection and maintenance.
(Have to say, now that I’m over the pond, I REALLY miss the sight of that bridge, props to all the maintenance folks!)…
One can only wonder at how much maintenance will have to be done to these sea-based turbines (windmills, what-have-you) to keep them from rusting out and toppling over (I wish, I wish)….
The thought of shipping or sailing between these is simply horrifying….

Trevor
April 30, 2014 3:25 pm

Respect where Respect is Due
Full respect to the reply by Gail Combs above …. If everyone took such an open view about what they were prepared to accept in their locality then I would be much more convinced by the arguments against Navitus Bay
Would those living on the coast near the proposed Navitus bay scheme respond so positively to alternative sources of energy in the Poole Bay area in order to keep their lights on. It would be interesting to see the local reaction to a proposed extension to the local Wytch Farm oil field.
I am sure there are many problems with the existing generation of windfarm technology, Just as there has been with many emerging technologies over the years. Edison got it wrong and few remember that it was Tesla who gave us practical electrical power.
Sure someone will make money out of windfarms , just as they will from Coal or Nuclear
All arguments that there may be better ways to stimulate the development of clean / renewable power are certainly worth considering.
However we should not conflate the technical and value issues with objections which are largely based on not wanting any new source of power in our backyards typified by the reactions we have seen to Fracking and Nuclear power in the UK .
I speak as one who , started their career in a coal power station, live near a refinery and who sails regularly in the area of the propsed windfarm.
Yes it will be inconvenient and will change the skyline but personally I would rather dodge the windfarm as I sail back from France than live near a coal or nuclear power station.
Surely we need to focus on PROPOSING ALTERNATIVES not on simply BLOCKING proposals

Jeff
April 30, 2014 4:42 pm

“Trevor says:
April 30, 2014 at 3:25 pm”
Have you ever lived near a “windfarm”? Have you ever heard the “whoom, whoom, whoom” late
at night, after a long day, when you’re trying to get some sleep before getting up at 5AM to face the
morning commute to Silicon Valley 50 miles away? Or have you put up with the cyclical shadows that beat over your house minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, and so on, ad infinitum….and though I’m no tree-hugger, what of all the rare (and not rare) bird, raptors, eagles, etc. that have been macerated by these windmills (turbines, what-have you)….they’re not coming back – and in California, we’ve spent DECADES (and a lot of time, trouble, and money) trying to recover the previously decimated populations of these only to the the federal government give
carte blanche to the windfarms to chop away at will….
It’s not pleasant.
It’s not worth it. And, It’s not healthy….
Sorry,
I don’t subscribe to the theory of “no nukes is good nukes”.
Let’s get them working, and safe (e.g., don’t build on faultlines, etc.; don’t use ancient technology as in gen1 equipment, etc.).

Jeff
April 30, 2014 4:44 pm

not only to the the federal government , rather only to have the federal government…
someday there will be spell checking, nay, intent-checking keyboards…sigh….

April 30, 2014 5:52 pm

Jeff on April 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm
One can only wonder at how much maintenance will have to be done to these sea-based turbines (windmills, what-have-you) to keep them from rusting out and toppling over (I wish, I wish)….”
Great point… perhaps the offshore wind-turbine advocates have not thought of that! Still, I wonder…. just how DID all those thousands and thousands of lighthouses survive in the harsh sea environment for the expected 20 to 30 year life? Oh wait…they existed just fine for hundreds of years!
And, I recall that ALL of the thousands and thousands of offshore oil platforms (and natural gas production platforms) also rusted away to nothingness in just 20 or so years… Oh wait… they do just fine for 40 to 50 years too! Then they must be dismantled because they refused to rust away.
Silly wind-turbine people, thinking they can also build a single tower anchored in the seabed that extends a few feet up into the sky. There is no modern technology that can possibly cope with all that wind, and sea spray, and salt, and water, and sun. Nope, it’s all just a pipe dream.
Seriously? Are any of you contrarians engineers? Do you know any engineers? Have you ever flown over the Gulf of Mexico in daytime and looked out the window at all the oil platforms?
This is not nuclear fusion technology here, always 50 to 100 years in the future. This is proven, demonstrated, mature offshore marine technology.
Please, if you are going to make arguments, make ones that pass the laugh test!

April 30, 2014 6:03 pm

To all, the economics of wind energy are so horrific, they made the news yet again today, here in the States. From the Chicago Tribune today:
“The largest owner of nuclear power in the nation, Exelon has been leaning more heavily on its regulated utilities in recent years. With depressed power prices and increasing competition from wind and natural gas, the company’s nuclear plants haven’t been rolling in the profits they once did for Exelon and the company has threatened [nuclear] plant closures if conditions don’t improve.” [Emphasis added]
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-exelon-pepco-20140430,0,201347.story
One just has to wonder, if wind energy is really so outrageously expensive, just how is it not only competing with, but putting nuclear power plants out of business? Hmmmm…. I think maybe wind energy is truly not quite as expensive as some are painting it to be. For Richard the Unconvinced, above, the wind energy subsidy is only 2.2 cents per kWh produced in the States. Nothing for capital costs, only for production costs.
see Nuclear Power Plants Cannot Compete at
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-truth-about-nuclear-power-part-one.html

James at 48
April 30, 2014 6:14 pm

When the Russians try to invade maybe they’ll get hung up on these arrays. Could always convert them to platforms for firing munitions.

April 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Trevor….one little difference ,conventional power is a nessasary evil. We cannot live without them.
Wind is completely useless.

Jeff
April 30, 2014 6:57 pm

“Roger Sowell says:
April 30, 2014 at 5:52 pm”
Yes, I have studied engineering, I have lived near some wonderful engineering marvels in salt-air environments (Golden Gate and Oakland-SF Bridges, MANY structures near the sea), and had a number of materials science courses as part of my education.
I am also not conned by sarcasm, or arguments based on, shall we say, monetary motivation.
Those lighthouses of which you speak are not made of metal, nor are your beloved turbines
mounted on masonry (concrete, what-have-you) platforms. The sound effects, the maritime navigaional dangers, and the bird-chopping mechanical macerations of the rotors remain, regardless of the puported benefits of “green energy”. The only green that really exists in
that environment is that of the money flowing from the taxpayers to the mandarin coeterie
absorbing the subsidies proffered by the EU elite and their ilk.
As I’ve said a number of times on this and other fora, I lived for a number of years near these
mechanical monstrosities, and also seen how “robust” they weren’t. Have a look at the
Altamont wind farm if you don’t believe me (btw, the worst is hidden far away from I-580).
I suspect the Tehachapi array is in a similar state of disrepair.
Metal fatigue is not always externally obvious – however one small crack and away it goes.
I went over the Silver Bridge in West Virginia a week or so before it collapsed…looked just fine.
Tell that to the people who died when the link pin failed…

richardscourtney
April 30, 2014 11:52 pm

Trevor:
Your untrue propaganda is becoming tiresome.
At April 30, 2014 at 9:47 am I wrote

Trevor and solentsnowgoose:
In the words of Trevor, you each need to “grow up”.
The issues over windfarms have nothing to do with ‘nimbyism’.
The objections to the subsidy farms are objections to corruption which harms people and the environment.
The problems of windfarms are explained here.

Subsequently, at April 30, 2014 at 3:25 pm, you have written

Yes it will be inconvenient and will change the skyline but personally I would rather dodge the windfarm as I sail back from France than live near a coal or nuclear power station.
Surely we need to focus on PROPOSING ALTERNATIVES not on simply BLOCKING proposals

If you had read the link you would have seen the item is titled
“A suggestion for meeting the UK Government’s renewable energy target because the adopted use of windfarms cannot meet it”.
It explains why windfarms don’t provide any useful electricity to the grid and it assesses all possible alternatives.
Your untrue propaganda supporting the subsidy farms ignores reality.
Richard

richardscourtney
May 1, 2014 12:05 am

Roger Sowell:
I see that at April 30, 2014 at 6:03 pm you have again asserted your falsehood that prices of windpower indicate the financial cost of electricity from the subsidy farms.
I again point out that you know your assertion is a falsehood.
As I said to you at April 30, 2014 at 9:36 am in rebuttal of your having presented that untruth earlier in this thread

Costs consist of prices AND SUBSIDIES.
People have to pay the total cost and not only the prices.

You could provide sound arguments in support of the subsidy farms if you had any sound arguments. But you provide no sound arguments and present blatant falsehoods.
Richard

solentsnowgoose
May 1, 2014 2:21 am

In response to comments above :
I personally hold no bias towards Windfarms in preference to any other source of power and would be more than happy to see lower cost / less visual impact proposed / implemented.
Hence a well reasoned argument which proposes alternatives is welcome and as a society we need to try to divert our mutual resources toward proving the viability of such systems. eg the tidal lagoons proposed in Richard’s paper
However my concern remains that if there was a proposal to install wave power, a tidal lagoon or a new nuclear station in the UK there would be a whole raft of objectors intent on ensuring that such a scheme was not installed anywhere near them.
My point is that the energy that we use requires some installation / infrastructure and has some impact on people / wildlife / environment and we need to learn to live with this inconvenient fact.
The argument could be made that the closer we install such systems to where we all live the more chance there is that we will consider the impact and support the development ( eg via subsidy) of measures to minimise this rather than simply trying to “export” the problem to the next villiage/ county/ country in the hope that somewhere else is less good at blocking it than we are.
I fully appreciate the idea of a well developed Nuclear technology in suitable remote places BUT even then there are many who live on the South coast of UK who express fears about the French Nuclear installation on the Cherbourg peninsular and would object on a matter of principle if the same installation were proposed in say Dorset. So even at Dungeness we can expect a whole raft of protestors intent on making it “go away”. Much of the arguments would be well reasoned concerns about safety and long term cost but underneath there would be the issue that the same objections would not be raised if the installation were elsewhere.
With regard to the specific comment about living near a Wind farm I am sure that this is disturbing and not ideal but then so is living within earshot of a large refinery which delivers the fuel for our cars or a major port which exports our products and delivers our imported goods.. these are facts of life.
All I promote is that in reviewing various alternatives we try to avoid objecting to new forms of power generation simply because we don’t want them in our backyards.
To misquote: “everywhere is somewhere to somebody”
Again perhaps a simple test could apply ….
If we want to object to any technology in our locality then as a quid pro quo we should be obliged to say which alternative technology we would accept in the same area.
At least this way we focus on the real argument about the benefits / risks for society as a whole and not on the Nimbyism which I fear is still hidden behind many objections.

May 1, 2014 8:18 am

richardscourtney,
Your idiotic arguments are easily refuted, but arguing or trying to teach you is pointless. You live in a fantasy land where thermodynamics, engineering, and economics behave as you choose.
I live and work in the real world.
Go sit by a wind turbine and tell it, as you insist, it creates no useful power.
And for the record, every statement I made here is true. It is up to you to prove the falsity, if you can.

richardscourtney
May 1, 2014 8:56 am

Roger Sowell:
I am copying your entire post at May 1, 2014 at 8:18 am so it is clear that I am replying to something as silly as you have written:

richardscourtney,
Your idiotic arguments are easily refuted, but arguing or trying to teach you is pointless. You live in a fantasy land where thermodynamics, engineering, and economics behave as you choose.
I live and work in the real world.
Go sit by a wind turbine and tell it, as you insist, it creates no useful power.
And for the record, every statement I made here is true. It is up to you to prove the falsity, if you can.

It is strange that I can so easily refute your untrue assertions based on the unrealities of your delusional state but you say you cannot refute the clear information I provide.
I do not intend to tell a wind turbine anything: your suggestion is pointless because a wind turbine has similar comprehension abilities to yourself (and for the same reason). However, a wind turbine does not – and cannot – provide electricity useful to a grid supply system: the intermittent supply from the wind turbine adds management costs and complexities by displacing the electricity which thermal power stations have to provide for the grid whether or not the wind turbine exists.
And, for the record, you have made no true statements here, not one. For example, at April 30, 2014 at 7:04 am you wrote saying to me

I shall respond a bit later to your several false statements in a different comment. As usual, you have no clue about wind energy and its operation nor its effects on a grid.

I have made no “false statements” and you have cited none. I suggest that my citations of grid operators are more than adequate, and your childish abuse does not constitute a “response” except to demonstrate that you have no answer.
Richard

John Whitman
May 1, 2014 11:53 am

Christopher Monckton,
Here is another idea which should enhance the wind array opposition group’s success.
You should encourage the wind array opposition group to get a very professional project manager who can handle coolly, calmly and disinterestedly the complexities of the many many crucial activities and arguments that need to be prepared.
The project manager should not have a big ego, but instead facilitate the energy and ownership of all involved.
Then project manager should have a documented history of success in large scale and complex actual real projects.
I cannot overstate the importance of this project manager.
DISCLAIMER: I do not advocate intellectually in any way the many ‘anti-technology’ and ‘anti-progress’ and ‘anti-growth’ ideologies in the world. My comments to Monckton wrt the group opposing the wind array are based on my assessment that the incorrect theory of CAGW by fossil fuels is the sole reason this wind array is being built and it is the abnormal government funded intervention into normal economic market decisions which is the only reason the array can start much less avoid instantaneous bankruptcy.
Good luck.
John

Trevor
May 2, 2014 5:58 am

Could we develop the idea proposed by John Whitman a little further …
Perhaps we could ask the Project Manager to use basic Risk / Benefit analysis to work out the relative environmental, financial and societal impacts of various alternative sources of the energy we want to consume to keep our lights on ( be they Halogen or LED )
A comparative study of who would be harmed and by how much and who would benefit and by how much and then expressing the various options in terms of their impact relative to each other should help inform a more rational decision process about which one we should invest in.
For example: is it better that a few people are inconvenienced a little or that much larger population are affected by other less certain but potentially more significant changes. To return to an argument made much earlier in the forum ..is it reasonable / ethical to accept the risk that sea level may rise but to simply impose a decision to compensate those who live in areas that may be affected ( lets say the Romney Marshes of Kent or the River Delta of some far Asian Country ) for the loss of their land / houses / liveihoods.
Of course there would be huge debate about the significance and probability of each of the harms and benefits so we may need to express these in terms of ranges or distributions to see how sensitive the outcome is to different individual perceptions of harm or benefit .
The biggest problem I foresee in using such a broad and structured approach is that it might force a rational review and reduce the opportunity to make some of the more emotional comparisons ( eg comparing the size of a modern wind turbine with a Cathederal which may not really be relevant in the big scheme of things.)
Hence my expectation is that few in the debate would support such an approach.
It seems that not all puzzles are so quickly solved.

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