Cosmic Rays, Sunspots, and Beryllium

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In investigations of the past history of cosmic rays, the deposition rates (flux rates) of the beryllium isotope 10Be are often used as a proxy for the amount of cosmic rays. This is because 10Be is produced, inter alia, by cosmic rays in the atmosphere. Being a congenitally inquisitive type of fellow, I thought I’d look to see just how good a proxy 10Be might be for solar activity. Now most folks would likely do a search of the literature first, to find out what is currently known about the subject.

I don’t like doing that. Oh, the literature search is important, don’t get me wrong … but I postpone it as long as I possibly can. You see, I don’t want to be mesmerized by what is claimed to be already known. I want to look whatever it is with a fresh eye, what the Buddhists call “Beginner’s Mind”, unencumbered by decades of claims and counter-claims. In short, what I do when faced with a new field is to go find some data and analyze it. After I’ve found out what I can from the dataset, and only then, do I search the literature to find out what other folks might believe. Yes, it costs me sometimes … but usually it allows me to find things that other folks have overlooked.

In this case, I found a gem of a dataset. Here is the author’s summary:

Annually-resolved polar ice core 10Be records spanning the Neutron Monitor era

Abstract: Annually-resolved 10Be concentrations, stable water isotope ratios and accumulation rate data from the DSS site on Law Dome, East Antarctica (spanning 1936-2009) and the Das2 site, south-east Greenland (1936-2002).

The only thing better than data is recent data, because it is more likely to be accurate, and here we have seven decades of recent 10Be deposition rates (fluxes). So, without fanfare, here’s the data in question

10be flux rates greenland antarcticaFigure 1. 10Be flux rates from Law Dome in Antarctica and from Southeast Greenland. Bottom panel shows the annual average sunspot count.

So … what’s not to like about these records? Well … lots of things.

The first unlikable item is that the correlation between these two 10Be datasets is pathetic, only 0.07. Seems to me like this would be enough in itself to put the whole 10Be—cosmic rays connection into doubt. I mean, if the two best recent dataset don’t agree with each other, then what are we supposed to believe?

The next problem is even larger. It is the lack of any clear 11-year signal from the variations in cosmic rays. It is well-known that cosmic rays are deflected from the solar system by the magnetic field of the sun, which varies in general sync with the sunspots. As a result, the numbers of cosmic rays, and presumably the 10Be flux rates, vary in an 11-year cycle inversely to the sunspot cycle. Here’s what the relationship looks like:

thule greenland neutron monitorFigure 2. Sunspots and cosmic rays (as indicated by the neutron count). SOURCE

So the relation between cosmic rays and sunspots is quite solid, as you can see above. However, the problem with the 10Be records in this regard is … they have no power in the 11-year cycle range. Sunspot data has power in that range, as does the neutron count data representing cosmic rays … but the 10Be data shows nothing in that range. Here’s the periodicity analysis (see here et seq. for details of periodicity analyses):

periodicity analysis greenland antarcticaFigure 3. Periodicity analysis of the two datasets shown in Figure 1, 10Be flux from Greenland and Antarctica

As you can see, we have no power in either the 11-year or 22-year bands … and if you look at Figure 1, you can see that their correlation with the sunspots is … well … pathetic. The correlation between Greenland 10Be and sunspots is -0.10, and between Antarctica 10Be and sunspots is even worse, -0.03 … like I said, pathetic. A cross-correlation analysis shows slightly greater correlations with a 2 year lag, but not much. However, the lack of the 11-year peaks periodicity analysis (or visible 11-year peaks in the 10Be data) suggests that the lag is spurious.

The problem is, both the sunspots and the cosmic ray counts have a huge peak in periodicity at 10-11 years … but the 10Be records show nothing of the sort.

So, at this point I’m in as much mystery as when I started. We have two beryllium-10 records. They don’t agree with each other. And according to both periodicity and correlation analysis, they don’t show any sign of being connected to anything related to the sunspots, whether by way of cosmic rays, TSI, or anything else …

Now that I’ve finished the analysis, I find that the notes to the dataset say:

Cosmogenic 10Be in polar ice cores is a primary proxy for past solar activity. However, interpretation of the 10Be record is hindered by limited understanding of the physical processes governing its atmospheric transport and deposition to the ice sheets. This issue is addressed by evaluating two accurately dated, annually resolved ice core 10Be records against modern solar activity observations and instrumental and reanalysis climate data. The cores are sampled from the DSS site on Law Dome, East Antarctica (spanning 1936–2009) and the Das2 site, south-east Greenland (1936–2002), permitting inter-hemispheric comparisons.

Concentrations at both DSS and Das2 are significantly correlated to the 11-yr solar cycle modulation of cosmic ray intensity, r = 0.54 with 95% CI [0.31; 0.70], and r = 0.45 with 95% CI [0.22; 0.62], respectively. For both sites, if fluxes are used instead of concentrations then correlations with solar activity decrease.

If you use flux rates the “Correlations with solar activity decrease”??? Yeah, they do … they decrease to insignificance. And this is a big problem. It’s a good thing I didn’t read the notes first …

Now, my understanding is that using 10Be concentrations in ice cores doesn’t give valid results. This is because the 10Be is coming down from the sky … but so is the snow. As a result, the concentration is a factor of both the 10Be flux and the snow accumulation rate. So if we want to understand the production and subsequent deposition rate of 10Be, it is necessary to correct the 10Be concentrations by using the corresponding snow accumulation rate to give us the actual flux rate. So 10Be flux rates should show a better correlation with sunspots than concentrations, because they’re free of the confounding variable of snow accumulation rate.

As a result, I’ve used the flux rates and not the concentrations … and found nothing of interest. No correlation between the datasets, no 11-year periodicity, no relationship to the solar cycle.

What am I missing here? What am I doing wrong? How can they use the concentration of 10Be rather than the flux? Are we getting accurate results from the ice cores? If not, why not?

These questions and more … please note that I make no overarching claims about the utility of 10Be as a proxy for sunspots or cosmic rays. I’m just saying that this particular 10Be data would make a p-poor proxy for anything … and once again I’m raising what to me is an important question:

If the 10Be deposition rate is claimed to be a proxy for the long-term small changes in overall levels of cosmic rays … why is there no sign in these datasets of it responding to the much larger 11-year change in cosmic rays?

I have the same question about cosmic rays and temperature. There is no sign of an 11-year cycle in the temperature, meaning any influence of cosmic rays is tiny enough to be lost in the noise. So since temperature doesn’t respond to large 11-year fluctuations in cosmic rays, why would we expect temperature to track much smaller long-term changes in the cosmic ray levels?

Always more questions than answers, may it ever be so.

My regards to everyone, guest authors, commenters, and lurkers … and of course, Anthony and the tireless mods, without whom this whole circus wouldn’t work at all.

w.

COMMENTS: Please quote the exact words that you are referring to in your comment. I’m tired of trying to guess what folks are talking about. Quote’m or you won’t get traction from me. Even if the reference is blatantly obvious to you, it may not be to others. So please, quote the exact words.

DATA: 10Be original data, Excel spreadsheet

Extracted Data for Use In R

Monthly Sunspot Data SIDC

CODE: Just for fun, I’ll put it here to show how tough this particular analysis was:

source("~/periodicity functions.R")

par(mgp=c(2,1,0),cex.axis=1)

spotsraw=ts(read.csv("monthly ssn.csv")[,2],start=c(1749,1),frequency=12)

Annual.Sunspots=window(aggregate(spotsraw,frequency=1,FUN=mean),start=1937,end=2009)

plot(Annual.Sunspots)

theflux=ts(read.csv("Polar 10Be Flux.csv")[,2:3],start=1937,frequency=1)

theoxy=ts(read.csv("Polar 10Be Flux.csv")[,4:5],start=1937,frequency=1)

plot(cbind(theflux,theoxy))

fulldata=cbind(theflux[,1],theflux[,2],Annual.Sunspots)

colnames(fulldata) = c("Greenland 10Be Flux","Antarctica 10Be Flux","Sunspots")

plot(fulldata,main="",yax.flip=TRUE)

title(main="10Be Flux Rates in Greenland and Antarctica\n(atoms / square metre / second)",

      line=1,cex.main=1.1)

cor(ts.intersect(fulldata),use="pairwise.complete.obs")

periodsd(theflux[,1],doplot=TRUE,timeinterval=1,add=FALSE,col="blue3",

         maintitle="Periodicity Analysis, Ice Core 10Be Flux\nGreenland (blue) and Antarctica (red)")

periodsd(theflux[,2],doplot=TRUE,timeinterval=1,add=TRUE,col="green3")

You’ll need the code for the periodicity functions, it’s here.

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george e. smith
April 14, 2014 11:32 am

If there isn’t a 11 year signal in these records, (Temp or 10Be) is there any 22 year signal ??
Since the sun’s magnetic polarity reverse each 11 year cycle, and earth’s doesn’t, their summation would have a 22 year cycle. If that affected cosmic rays or solar charged particle distributions on earth it would be a 22 year periodicity.
But is anything large enough to register above noise ?

dmacleo
April 14, 2014 11:33 am

can’t say I understand much of this but I wonder (pure laymans question) how thaw/freeze cycles (after initial deposit, and possibly not thawed enough to release to atmosphere) may have affected the concentrations thereby “loading” the concentrations and creating one bad proxy.

April 14, 2014 11:38 am

Greg Goodman says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
For the same reason as I don’t listen to the “expert opinion” of the IPCC.
It is sound policy to listen to people who know. You can doubt that they know. That is a different matter and such doubt has to be founded. On what do you base your doubt of my expertise?

April 14, 2014 11:41 am

From Leif’s citations:

“These and other features suggest that galactic cosmic ray intensity changes which affect the production of 10Be in the Earths atmosphere are not the sole source of the 10Be concentration changes and confirm the importance of other effects, for example local and regional climatic effects, which could be of the same magnitude as the 10Be production changes.”

Translation: We dunno. We’re guessing.

Greg Goodman
April 14, 2014 11:45 am

lsvalgaard says: ” On what do you base your doubt of my expertise?”
I don’t doubt that you have expertise but I do doubt your “expert opinion” as you care to express it here.
In the same way the IPCC lead authors undoubtedly have expertise but other things seem to get in the way before it gets expressed as an “expert opinion”.

Greg Goodman
April 14, 2014 11:47 am

PS that’s not to say I do not find you comments to often be interesting and informative.

April 14, 2014 11:48 am

Willis, another possible source of Be-10 generation in the atmosphere, antimatter from thunderstorms..
http://www2011.mpe.mpg.de/News/PR20110110/text.html

April 14, 2014 11:50 am

Greg Goodman says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:45 am
I don’t doubt that you have expertise but I do doubt your “expert opinion” as you care to express it here.
And on what do you base that doubt?

April 14, 2014 11:53 am

Leif Nobody knows who is the real expert until the well is drilled. On several posts on my blog at
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com
and on various posts at WUWT,I have made forecasts for future temperature trends as far ahead as about 2600. For comparison I invite you ,Willis and any other contributors to this thread or to the topic in general to put forward your own forecasts using whatever theories or methods you feel best. Just a few sentences on the method used and some estimate of future temperatures at suitable intervals. Maybe Anthony could archive them somewhere for future reference from time to time.

Frank
April 14, 2014 12:20 pm

Willis wrote: “What am I missing here? What am I doing wrong? How can they use the concentration of 10Be rather than the flux? Are we getting accurate results from the ice cores? If not, why not?”
a) If all of the Be10 created in the atmosphere in one year were transported to the surface in the same year (in the same relative proportion with respect to location independent of solar activity), then the surface flux would be proportional to solar activity.
b) If the rate-determining step in getting Be10 to the surface were the precipitation rate, then the concentration of Be10 in precipitation could vary with the amount of Be10 in the atmosphere.
You can’t distinguish between these two possibilities without additional knowledge. Correlation suggest that b) may play a stronger role than a).
However, there is almost certainly a “reservoir” of B10 in the upper atmosphere which is slowly transported to the troposphere over more than one year. Volcanic aerosols are not cleared in less than a year, so there is no reason to assume that Be10 will be. There is also no reason to assume that the rate at which Be10 is transported to the troposphere isn’t modified by the solar cycle (by winds and turbulent mixing). There is no reason to assume that the fraction that is deposited in polar regions is independent of the solar cycle and climate cycles. The lack of a correlation between the flux in Greenland and Antarctica is WIllis’s most damning piece of evidence about the value of Be10 as a solar proxy.

April 14, 2014 12:30 pm

Dr Norman Page says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:53 am
Maybe Anthony could archive them somewhere for future reference from time to time.
So that the folks in 2600 can see who was right.
I don’t think we can forecast the climate in detail at the present time. You extrapolations [some dubious] are not valid forecasts, with confidence intervals, error bars, etc.

April 14, 2014 12:58 pm

lsvalgaard says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:38 am

Greg Goodman says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
For the same reason as I don’t listen to the “expert opinion” of the IPCC.

It is sound policy to listen to people who know. You can doubt that they know. That is a different matter and such doubt has to be founded. On what do you base your doubt of my expertise?

– – – – – – – –
Leif,
Two premises missing leading to listening to experts. First premise is there is the need for an expert. The second premise should be that there must first be sufficient reason for a person (like me for instance) to conclude that someone has both demonstrated consistent integrity as well as verified knowledge in an area for them to be an acceptable expert to that person.
Doubt is just one of many possible outcomes of establishing the second premise.
NOTE: I think it is more difficult to assess the integrity of a candidate that it is to assess the candidate’s knowledge.
John

davidgmills
April 14, 2014 1:06 pm

What an enjoyable thread; at least to a layman. I will be waiting for Lief to drill a well on Jupiter and then see what happens happens to sunspots when he takes them both out of the solar system.

April 14, 2014 1:13 pm

[ ModE: Comment to Leif: ]
Well without making a detailed forecast would you say re the IPCC forecasts for 2100 that they are
a) a useless exercise providing no basis for policy decisions
b)probably in the ballpark
c) possibly in the ballpark
d)probably too high
d) possibly wrong to the point that the earth might even be cooler then than now
e) I don’t know enough to make a useful comment

April 14, 2014 1:16 pm

1:13 comment is obviously addressed to Leif

milodonharlani
April 14, 2014 1:22 pm

lsvalgaard says:
April 14, 2014 at 12:30 pm
I agree that science cannot yet forecast climate in detail. Even WX more than a short period out is iffy.
However, based upon the past ~150 years (if not longer), it’s not IMO unreasonable to predict that the 30-year period 2007-36 will be cooler than 1977-2006. Should that occur, CACA would be in deep doo-doo, so to speak.
Should that prove not to be the case, then the argument for an important GHG contribution to global temperature would be strengthened, since cooler & warmer phases have alternated since the end of the LIA in the mid-19th century, whether a spurious coincidence or not:
1857-86 warmer (high solar activity during the US Civil War; CET record hottest winter)
1887-1916 cooler
1917-46 warmer (Alarmingly melting Arctic! Dust Bowl drought!)
1947-76 cooler
1977-2006 warmer (Alarmingly melting Arctic! Texan & Australian droughts!)
2007-36 “plateau” continues, so far, & Antarctic sea ice grows.
We’ll see. I probably won’t be around in 2036 to find out, but maybe can see what happens in 2016 & 2026.
[CACA is Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate A??? (Alarmism ?) Mod]

April 14, 2014 1:34 pm

John Whitman says:
April 14, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Doubt is just one of many possible outcomes of establishing the second premise.
I deal with uncertainties and doubtful issues every day. It is my experience that to doubt something one must KNOW something about it. If you don’t, other reasons for doubt can be that the topic clashes with your worldview [bias] or that you doubt the PERSON [which again requires that you know something on which to base that doubt]. None of these in my book are valid scientific reasons for doubt.

April 14, 2014 1:58 pm

Dr Norman Page says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:13 pm
e) I don’t know enough to make a useful comment
You mean that ‘you’ don’t know enough to make a useful statement.
milodonharlani says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm
However, based upon the past ~150 years (if not longer), it’s not IMO unreasonable to predict that the 30-year period 2007-36
I will not call that a ‘prediction’, but an ‘extrapolation’ or ‘speculation’. Now it is OK to speculate as long as it is labeled as speculation [rather as a pretentious ‘prediction’].

cd
April 14, 2014 2:04 pm

Willis
I guess my first questioned is are the data smoothed?
I’m not sure how you’re doing your correlation Willis but did you use smoothed data? Could the nature of the data processing be affecting the apparent correlation. Obviously this is an even more serious issue for spectral analysis (obvious aliasing issue with smoothed data) but I’m guessing you’ve dealt with this.
All that being said, visual comparison should suffice and would support all that’s being said. My main concern over the use of proxies is that no one ever mentions natural smoothing (proxy mobility through strata) and whether it is an issue.

April 14, 2014 2:13 pm

Anthony has a laugh at Stephen Wilde, pokes fun at Doug Cotton, and then proceeds to have two clowns have total run of his web-site. Leif and Willis, the blind leading the blind.
THE CLOWN SHOW.
Anthony in addition protects them from posters like myself who challenge these fools on each and every assumption they make . The have nothing to back up what they say ,yet Anthony allows their idiotic views to be constantly expressed.
Anytime anyplace I would debate these two clowns on the climate and what makes it run.
[Reply: debate with whomever you like. But the policy of this site is to allow everyone to have their say, short of violating the Policy page, or eventualy in a few cases, wearing out their welcome. ~ mod.]

April 14, 2014 2:20 pm

milodonharlani says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm
“….the 30-year period 2007-36 will be cooler than 1977-2006.”
………….
Not a forecast, I have no knowledge for that, however if I extrapolate three fundamental components of the CET (one summer, one winter and one common to both) assuming natural variability is the driver, I get THIS , and consequently the N. Hemisphere and perhaps the global, since they all correlate well.

April 14, 2014 2:27 pm

vuk says:
April 14, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Not a forecast, I have no knowledge for that, however if I extrapolate three fundamental components of the CET
That is the spirit.

April 14, 2014 2:53 pm

lsvalgaard says:
April 14, 2014 at 2:27 pm
“That is the spirit.”
…….
I prefer good wine, but family has been producing both for few centuries, my brother still just about keeps tradition going.
As far as the ‘spirit’ you have in mind I refer you to my comment above
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/13/cosmic-rays-sunspots-and-beryllium/#comment-1612889

milodonharlani
April 14, 2014 3:49 pm

milodonharlani says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alarmism. Yes. Maybe CACCA is better, with Change added.
lsvalgaard says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Possibly prediction means something else in physics than in biology or paleontology, in which disciplines it is not considered pretentious, for instance, to “predict” that tetrapod fossils will be found in Devonian rocks in the Canadian Arctic. So my speculation that the current 30 year period will be cooler than the last is a testable, ie falsifiable, hence scientific prediction, even if not meeting your exacting standard for the term.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/060501_tiktaalik
Admittedly from Berkeley, not Stanford.

Martin 457
April 14, 2014 3:49 pm

Not to upset anyone but, I thought they were using stalagmites as proxies, not icecores.
http://www.academia.edu/1220901/Late_Holocene_annual_growth_in_three_Alpine_stalagmites_records_the_influence_of_solar_activity_and_the_North_Atlantic_Oscillation_on_winter_climate
Found one. They say they’ve got it right also. Idakno.

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